40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

They are as common as long as the regiment has a sniper unit

[crystal forum]

not rare

[dapper gyro]

Melta gun is shorter range plasma and more reliable.

[crystal forum]

just not as common as say a grenade launcher, melta gun or plasma

[storm jungle]

I mean they are

[keen nova]

Real shit?

[dusk patrol]

Plasma is fairly rare

[crystal forum]

that's untrue. plasma is super finnicky

[storm jungle]

We arent talking plasma

[dusk patrol]

Not super but it’s not common and more specialized

[storm jungle]

Its not

as long as you dont abuse the gun it wont explode

[keen nova]

Figures

[storm jungle]

this is like THE most wrong gotten lore people say

[dusk patrol]

I wasn’t talking to you I was talking about the above

[crystal forum]

compared to melta guns?

[storm jungle]

Yes?

Like plasmas exploding is a meme

[crystal forum]

melta guns arent known for exploding dilara

[celest dome]

☝️ It's just that we have the Ratling that take the Sniper role most of the time, and they don't get Longlas most of the time

[storm jungle]

yes?

huh

[crystal forum]

it's literally a tabletop rule

[storm jungle]

Yeah and tabletop =/= lore

if plasma guns functioned like on tabletop no one would use them

[queen laurel]

a plasma operator is definitely trained to handle the overheating problem

[dapper gyro]

Hence why I wrote Melta is more reliable...

[dusk patrol]

Plasma can explode if it gets breached by something else, it’s a riskier weapon but it’s not much different from a flamer.

[sly ivy]

Based

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

To minimize their limbs getting blown off

[storm jungle]

again

as said

[keen nova]

Dunno if I consider that anti mat level tbh

[storm jungle]

dont abuse the gun

[celest dome]

As long as you're not a dumb ass

[storm jungle]

and it wont explode

[storm jungle]

Or this yeah lol

[crystal forum]

i can think of at least one gaunt ghost book with a guy who lost his arm to a plasma pistol

[dusk patrol]

If you’re overheating it you probably have a good reason to and know the risk

[storm jungle]

Because it creates drama

[dusk patrol]

Or you’re stupid/crazy

[storm jungle]

this is a very common trope

its like in every WW2 movie

the flame trooper explodes

[keen nova]

This.

[storm jungle]

(even tho thats not how flamethrower tanks work)

[crystal forum]

what about all the space marine who lost their arms to plasma weapons

[dapper gyro]

It is very common trope in books, too.

[storm jungle]

Thats a visual joke

[dusk patrol]

They do explode but plasma operators are trained to know the limits, it’s just sometimes you have to push those limits

[storm jungle]

^

[sly ivy]

Lmao so true

[crystal forum]

it's still more known for exploding than melta guns

[dusk patrol]

The gun itself likely got shot and it went off

Yes

[crystal forum]

melta guns are very reliable

[storm jungle]

plasma marines with missing arms has always been "haha that looks funny i get the joke" thing lol

[dusk patrol]

Melta is safer generally but obviously more restricted

[dapper gyro]

Where did I every wrote that Melta is less reliable than plasma?

[crystal forum]

i misread my bad

[dusk patrol]

Plasma is also rarer

[keen nova]

I think a guy in astartes uses one and the space marines flinch from a near miss of it

[dusk patrol]

Which is the main drawback

[storm jungle]

they tank the shot essentially

if he got 2-3 more he'd have been blown apart

[queen laurel]

Well the most anti material sniper in access of the imperium is the exitus rifle,

"Utilizing specialized ammunition constructed from heavy-gravity alloys, the Exitus Rifle is capable of penetrating nearly all forms of known armor and can even pierce armored vehicles."

but this is only given to elite assassins of the Vindicare temple

[dapper gyro]

Stationary heavy bolters can kill vehicles as well.

[crystal forum]

ye and melta is its range

[storm jungle]

that too ye

[crystal forum]

but if a melta gun is in range it SLAPS

[dusk patrol]

In Astartes he overcharges and fires it point blank causing it t detonate and destroy his hand/forearm.

[queen laurel]

Getting your hands on this is basically borderline impossible unless you are very rich

[dapper gyro]

The guards also have shoulder firing missile pods.

[dusk patrol]

But obviously that was pretty special circumstances

[dapper gyro]

They have tons of option really.

[celest dome]

They have Ballistic rifle too, which are much more common

[keen nova]

Light vehicles yeah?

[crystal forum]

you dont really see those as often for some reason

i like the RPG heavy weapon

[dusk patrol]

And more portable autocannons

[sly ivy]

The guard:

[dapper gyro]

Even bigger vehicles, lol.

[crystal forum]

i remember one wielded by a red shirt guard guy in eisenhorn

[dusk patrol]

There’s also custom weapons and stuff, Ratlings have them a lot

[crystal forum]

i found it weird for a guard to single man carry an autocannon

[dusk patrol]

With special ammo and shit

[sly ivy]

In Eisenhorn everyone is a red shirt

[storm jungle]

Not avaliable largely as tabletop options is the reason why. No need to advertise essentially which is stupid but its GW/40k so alas

[dapper gyro]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Missile_Launcher

[dusk patrol]

And hotshot packs or whatever

[keen nova]

Would it be tech hersey to make anti mat rifle? Not anything crazy just a basic bitch Ballistic ball Busta. It could honestly do wonder for the big shit the Astra militarum faces from range.

[celest dome]

They exist

[queen laurel]

as long as a weapon follows a template and is sanctioned by the mechanicus

no

and yes anti material rifles are already a thing

[keen nova]

Shiteeee

[crisp heath]

i think technology has to be a certain level of sophisticated before it´ll come under the eyes of the mechanicum at all

[celest dome]

Not exactly

[sly ivy]

My old man did one of those at Woodstock and afterward he could only speak sentences backwards

[crystal forum]

they get heavier weapons for tanks, but of course the guard arsenal is pretty limited due to tabletop reasons

[celest dome]

There are knive STC 💀

[crystal forum]

ye catachan have one

[dapper gyro]

Remember that the Guards are intentionally nerfed so they cannot do an uprising against the imperium.

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna load my foot with hotshot and fire it into your ass

[crisp heath]

really? i can´t imagine the mechanicus to care about what weapons some hive ganger homebrews on his workbench

[storm jungle]

Yeah they largely dont unless they see it

illegal weapon presses are also a thing

[keen nova]

8nsaw it the first time, it just takes a minute to read

[celest dome]

Gangers don't try to mass produce and aren't doing thing in front of a Tech Priest most of the time

[crystal forum]

guardsmen breaking every rule in the primer is a good reaccuring joke

[dapper gyro]

They can declare "Heresy tech" anytime...

[crystal forum]

like using lasgun mags as grenades

[storm jungle]

when said Primer is a useless propaganda pamphlet it adds up

the smart veterans know its only useful as toilet paper

[crystal forum]

the essential toilet paper

[tough haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680491851727503383/1326207868504117399/image.png?ex=677e96d3&is=677d4553&hm=eaf4f9932923d989e7dd0252b9a2e843d567bd1a67d3cc11dc589742af67fc86&

Some of these sound really cool but horrifying

[storm jungle]

Good becasuse they are

[tough haven]

Like grand parasite

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I love admech for it

I really wish I knew what all of these are

[sly ivy]

Is that from the 10th codex?

[crystal forum]

ping wolf he probably memorized them

[tough haven]

I don’t know

[keen nova]

Trying to keep up with chat here but yeah that could be a big bitch Antimat but it isn't explicitly stated

[tough haven]

@arctic talon

[sly ivy]

Hyper-rationalist

Oh I follow those guys on Twitter

[tough haven]

Ha-ha!

[sly ivy]

I knew they were admech

Especially the OpenAI guys

[tough haven]

Heretek!

[crisp heath]

guys i need some fashion advice 💅 should i get the krieg mask even though it sorta clips through the armour piece in front? would use the skull mask otherwise

it REALLY bothers me that it clips through that piece

[crystal forum]

it somehow looks even scrappier

i love it

[tough haven]

Send a rustalker killclade

[sly ivy]

That’s my feti… deathwish

[dapper gyro]

I like the skull mask.

The gasmask is eh.

[crisp heath]

it´s just

eeeeeveryone has the skull mask

[crisp heath]

psykers too

and veterans

always the same template

like an STC

[tough haven]

We’re going to servitorize you

[storm jungle]

Id say yes for the Krieg mask

[keen nova]

Yes, drip is drip

[storm jungle]

no one is gonna notice the clipping

[crisp heath]

you´re right. i´m gonna get it

thanks guys!!!

[dapper gyro]

But I notice it and it is uncomfortable.

[keen nova]

It makes heretics uncomfortable

[queen laurel]

hey DIls Can You Obtain an Exitus Rifle as long as you have the resources for it or is it like a secret thing only given to the Vindicare assassins

[crisp heath]

wtf

does the omnissiah not like the drip

?

[keen nova]

DRIP DENIAL??

[dapper gyro]

The Emperor blessed me.

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Server issues i think

[tough haven]

“By the grandfather, how is the mask going through there?”

[storm jungle]

unless the item has rotated out?

[dapper gyro]

Not yet

[sly ivy]

Temple secret

[storm jungle]

The only proper way is to have an influential Inquisitor patron ye, since they'd have the pull enough to procure one

we have art of operatives like death cultists/acolytes using it

[sly ivy]

We do?

[queen laurel]

How About A Rogue Trader

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[storm jungle]

Harder but not impossible, just more legal loopholes

[sly ivy]

Rogue Trader or Inquisitor w enough personal temple connections I guess

[tough haven]

Death cultist use snipers? Seems really boring lol

[dapper gyro]

Exitus rifles are not that sacred.

[storm jungle]

Well all death cults are different

they are here to kill people

lol

[queen laurel]

a rogue trader favorite

[tough haven]

“It cost 600,000$ to fire this weapon for twelve seconds”

[sly ivy]

Death cult cares not from whence the death comes

[dapper gyro]

Many assassins run around casually with necron weapons, which is always a subject of heresy by the Imperium.

[storm jungle]

lol yea that too

[sly ivy]

Rpg?

[dapper gyro]

Ew, highheels.

[storm jungle]

Yeah.

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

Digitigrade increases stride length

[crisp heath]

oh damn the helmet version is cool too. but the candles, as much as i like them, look kind of silly if you put them on the head like that tbh

[tough haven]

Just atomize anyone who calls you a heretic and say they were a heretic

Do we have art on male death cultists, I only see female ones

[storm jungle]

Males for the first time appeared on rogue trader

they exist but BDSM female death cult assassin art is better for propaganda for the players

because sex

or something

[dapper gyro]

It is the heat beacon so the enemy with thermal sensors will only hit the densest part of the zealot, their head.

[tough haven]

Artists just want an excuse to draw skin tight bodysuits, but are too cowardly to draw them for men

[storm jungle]

This is the correct answer

[tough haven]

Like the game? When?

[storm jungle]

Void Shadows DLC

[queen laurel]

damn

[storm jungle]

Kibellah's cult has male and female cultists

[tough haven]

Oh right

[sly ivy]

Dadbod bodyglove assassin when

[queen laurel]

yeah you can see them in the parade

[dapper gyro]

EHHHHH, Vindicare ASS-ASS-INs.

[tough haven]

They’re too afraid to have a huge bulge showing

[tough haven]

Come to think of it I haven’t seen female Vindicare

[storm jungle]

they also exist

[dapper gyro]

They are too OP.

[storm jungle]

all assassin temples are unisex

callidus too

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[storm jungle]

the female ones are just more numerous

[sly ivy]

Only men have the er neurotransmitters to wield the giant phallus

[keen nova]

Oh, the reason I keep harping on this is because of the It would make a Decisive difference against basically every other army. And they wouldn't have to be as accurate as they would with a long las.

• Could rip bigger orkz, denying their durability and slab armor.

• Could target the key competnts of tau vehicles and battlesuits (Headcams, legs, pilot cores)

• Could snip hostile space marines (assuming they are distracted)

I don't think it would help against nids or eldar...

[storm jungle]

Remember

the Imperium is dumb

[dapper gyro]

Except Eversor .

[tough haven]

Do all women who can be assassins get forced into using poly morphine?

[vagrant fox]

Just use autocannons, my favourite

[keen nova]

Probably just a writing thing

[keen nova]

I thing that's whats used in asatrtes but I can't tell.

[storm jungle]

Eversors also got girls

[queen laurel]

Yeah this empire literally waste their resources on giant war machines capable of leveling entire cities with a single blast of its weapons

[storm jungle]

it makes no difference

[tough haven]

Also they want to show sci-fi unique setting weapons not logical but garden variety weapons you can find irl

[storm jungle]

ıts very much just the Imperium beign stupid

these are the same group

that accidentally sell desert fighter regiments to fight on a snow world

[queen laurel]

that would lynch you for being a little bit taller

[tough haven]

Sorry we haven’t found the STC for a anti material rifle

[dapper gyro]

Where?

[humble shoal]

Reminds me of the /tg/ shitpost battle that had catechans on an ice world

[sly ivy]

U seen the last episode of The Tithe?

[storm jungle]

Books

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

i love how people got mad at that

"this is grimderp"

[tough haven]

No it’s accurate to the setting

[trim basin]

Hey, what titles are you using fellas?

[storm jungle]

I dont pay taxes so idk

[sly ivy]

Chris Wraight both subverts this and semi subverts the subversion in Watchers of the Throne.

talking about the high lords, their impossible tasks, and how they’re actually really quite competent given the constraints

But then the same character later gets jaded

[dapper gyro]

If we talk about the Imperium stupidity, then it will be a bottomless hole.

[sly ivy]

Though only to an extent.

[storm jungle]

Yep thats the thing

[sly ivy]

So… good.

It’s good

[storm jungle]

hes an Inquisitor thinking his leaders are doing the best

[sly ivy]

Read those books.

[storm jungle]

then he realises "nah"

[sly ivy]

Wait I’m talking about the er what’s his title

He’s like a secretary

The old guy

[crystal forum]

wasn't it the valhallans being sent on a volcano world

[keen nova]

There's probably one in one of books or something. It would certainly be grim drip if they came across a low industry world that made them to deal with xenos and then they get slaughtered for tech heresy. Or something, I just don't see it happening which I why I says it's writing.

[storm jungle]

Bruh i keep mixing the titles up

they are so similiar

[crystal forum]

ok inquisitor dilara

[storm jungle]

Watchers of the Throne / Vaults of Terra

arghhhh 💀

[sly ivy]

Tieron

[keen nova]

Seems the most sensible. It would also be anti climatic to have the big monsters just get chomped when they could have munched on a few more guards

[storm jungle]

They exist but again this is the same point as "why doesnt the Imperium properly equip its armies"

They literally cant.

Its a nightmaric mess lol

[storm jungle]

YEEE thats the one

loved that plot bit

[sly ivy]

He later gets jaded but like not entirely

I like how gray the whole thing is

[crystal forum]

imagine every guardsman had a bolter

[sly ivy]

Both trilogies were peak

[storm jungle]

It works also knowing his "job" in the entire thing

[keen nova]

I mean, that doesn't sound Feasible given what goes into each bolt so I could understand

[crystal forum]

it's not even bullshit, it's just logistics on that billion soldier scale being batshit lol

[tough haven]

Sounds like copium

There’s probably 4 of those, and those are what we get to see

[sly ivy]

It is, in universe.

And it also isn’t.

have you read Watchers? Really great

[tough haven]

Like commissars and generals, we see the exceptional ones, the majority are probably shit

[vagrant fox]

Lasguns are just shitty volkite if you think about it

[sly ivy]

Wait is watchers only two books?

[sly ivy]

This is talking about the high lords

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just universe rules

[sly ivy]

So there aren’t that many.

[keen nova]

They do get a space marine sized long las

[crystal forum]

im glad they did choose to make lasguns so guard specific though, it gives them more individual faction character

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a ripoff from Dune that really works

also whats sci-fi without lasers

[crystal forum]

pew pew

[sly ivy]

It’s one of those things like the perception of the acts of people in power from the outside vs the inside. Neither perspective is entirely right.

[keen nova]

I thought sized up lasrifles would be pretty awesome but wouldn't have the same POW factor

[tough haven]

True

[dapper gyro]

There is tank mounted lascannon...

So... yeah...

[crystal forum]

isn't that just a lascannon

[keen nova]

No

[crystal forum]

multi las?

hellgun?

[humble shoal]

We should bring back that assasin guy, he was doing a good job right

[tough haven]

Also I like how bolsters used by astartes being huge weapons that literally can’t be used by regular people

[keen nova]

No, I would have specified that. Whic is why I said lasrifle

[celest dome]

SM do get shoulder Lascannon but nothing else

[keen nova]

They are used by regular people. Just sized down

[dapper gyro]

The ones used by scout marines and eliminator marine.

[crystal forum]

space marines get a lot of plasma though

[tough haven]

Yeah I said the ones used by marines can’t

[storm jungle]

well yeah they are too big

[tough haven]

Are human bolters a lower caliber?

[sly ivy]

Well they have a lot of blood 🙄

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are

before darktide came out people were like

"how can we use bolters without breaking our hands"

like shut the fuck up

[vagrant fox]

Do you just have this collage just in case?

[sly ivy]

Did you… did you just have a bolter mosaic ready

[storm jungle]

Yes to both

[sly ivy]

Collage

Whatever

[storm jungle]

because I HATE people saying the above thing

"your hands would break"

unless you're a literal weak homeless person no it wont lol

[tough haven]

Imagine trying to apply logic to 40K

[storm jungle]

its like people cant adapt or be trained to use them or something

its so annoying

[tough haven]

People fire higher caliber guns irl

[keen nova]

No one would explain that to me dude! I was asking around like, arr these mfs just built different then??

[sly ivy]

U seem 2 have a personal vendetta against the unhomed

[tough haven]

Ah are you new to the lore?

[sly ivy]

And yet they make the best corpse starch

[humble shoal]

Real question is why dont they have stocks

[keen nova]

No, this was forever ago

[dapper gyro]

Warhammer, where low recoil guns have buttstock, but high recoil guns don't.

[humble shoal]

Yup

[dapper gyro]

Bolter with no stock but the fucking SMG needed it?????

[sly ivy]

Space marines can’t invest in the market silly

[humble shoal]

Hehe

Stocks

[sly ivy]

do I have to explain basic stuff to everyone

[storm jungle]

Its a bad case of what I refer to as Surface Fanboyism, its why you should never also read stuff like the youtube comments of 40k videos, its filled with the most braindead bunch of people in existence that always get lore wrong and spew braindead memes which spread to other newly coming fans like a parasite

[humble shoal]

Butt

[crystal forum]

heavy bolt rifles have buttstocks

[humble shoal]

Stocks

Like the imperial fists......

[humble shoal]

Yeah but why do bolters for the guard not

Is what I dont get

Were they just designed for people with power armor with the aimhacks it provides or smthn

[vagrant fox]

Why waste the resources
Sincerely, the Admech

[humble shoal]

And is just being heavily misused by the guard

[storm jungle]

They were designed to blow people apart and maim them since they pre-date the Imperium as weapons

the Emperor just says "I invented it trust me bro"

[keen nova]

Learned that the hard way for sure, although I am glad it brought me into warhammer. Unlike people trying to sell me on the buzz lightyear dudes (Space marines)

[crystal forum]

bolter is known for having no stock and it looks better that way

[humble shoal]

This is fair

[crystal forum]

more distinctive

[sly ivy]

Emp does like em

[keen nova]

New ones do but don't look over there!

[storm jungle]

Yeah I was the same before i realised the majority of these people are grognards, its better to learn the setting yourself to some extent with some helping hand from others otherwise they very much skew your own POV to their side (which is filled with people that largely dont know anything)

[humble shoal]

You mean they werent gardening tools from the dot

[lofty crystal]

But DID YOU KNOW that if orks paint something brown... it sucks?????
Or or if orks pretend something is real, it becomes real Isn't that fun when everyone says that?

[storm jungle]

Also true

[sly ivy]

I like that the man who wields actual god powers still goes into battle carrying a bolter

[humble shoal]

Or something lile that

[storm jungle]

AAAAA-

[crystal forum]

i can only think of heavy bolt rifles having them

bolt carbines dont have stocks idk

[sly ivy]

Source: Master of Mankind of course

The Emperorist of Emperor books

[storm jungle]

Master of Memekind my beloved

[crystal forum]

ok but i like orks being cartoonish

[storm jungle]

ok but I also can drop a car on you

[lofty crystal]

Every 40k Youtube Shorts channel finding new content (it's about how Loner Psyker breaks the fourth wall 🤯 )

[humble shoal]

I like the orks having random doodads to pilot

[storm jungle]

LOL

only FripFrop is reliable

[dapper gyro]

Fuck I hate the WH40k youtube short so much.

[outer wave]

I love that the orks are actually the only faction that's keeping The Emperor alive, isn't that so much fun???

[raven stone]

The Ork belief field is the thing that is easily overblown in its capabilities

[dapper gyro]

Never give enough info and contexts.

[lofty crystal]

Youtube was always going to be a skewed source of 40k lore

Best to read the damn books for yourself or ask someone who has

[sly ivy]

But what if hear me out

[outer wave]

I watch 40k lore videos because they're relaxing to sleep to

[sly ivy]

The orks BELIEVE the belief field can do all that

[vagrant fox]

That's why we stick to my waifu arbitor ian and nothing else

Baldermort gets a pass because he says make time for fun

[humble shoal]

Get 6 quadrillion orks and start the greentide

[raven stone]

What, we turning 40k into Inception?

Lol

[dapper gyro]

Time to hop off before this darkness consumes me.

[sly ivy]

Is this literally the most active 40K lore channel lol

[keen nova]

I like him but he throws in random out of touch poltical takes every now and again that makes me groan

[crystal forum]

it's merely the best

[sly ivy]

The main 40K discord one is annoying

[raven stone]

I think a more realistic way to explain the Ork Belief Field, is that the thing in question has to at least somewhat be capable of functioning as said Ork imagined it would function to begin with.
The Field then just somehow makes it so the Ork lucks out every time.

[sly ivy]

It’s mostly people being like “can marines have red gorgets”

[crystal forum]

we're just the same 15 people arguing about pointless stuff

[sly ivy]

Literally how civilization has advanced

[outer wave]

Ork gestalt field is just lubricant to the gears of reality so that their dumb fuck scrap metal heap equipment can actually function

[sly ivy]

From the Academy to the Founding Fathers

[vagrant fox]

I argue about nothing, I shitpost to pass the time

[keen nova]

One of the things I hated was trying to get answers and all that comes up it Shitters on reddit making the same dead memes.

[sly ivy]

Just like Benjamin Franklin

[raven stone]

Yea agreed, the thing has to be theoretically capable first (even if completely dangerous), then the field just somehow make sure it does.

[storm jungle]

The only 40k subreddit you can kinda trust is r40klore ironically, its filled with some dipshits but they tend to usually give very good answers to most questions you may have

[sly ivy]

And Diogenes

[humble shoal]

I wish to be diogones

[outer wave]

Yeah basically, though I'm not sure how that'd work with teleporters and all that jazz. Guns and trucks for sure though

[sly ivy]

They eventually have to go to sources

[storm jungle]

Also Ive always wondered what its like, can you tell us some stories

[vagrant fox]

At least they usually post excerpts, which I appreciate

[crisp heath]

what about that subreddit they made because 40k turned woke

[storm jungle]

HorusGalaxy? Oh god

[raven stone]

Something about self-proclaimed Autistic individuals recoundting every lore detail in perfect accuracy whilst not having inter personal skills (or using Autism as an excuse to be assshats)

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[crisp heath]

r/horusgalaxy or something

very based

[storm jungle]

Yeah that lol

[outer wave]

Yep they're bizarre

[sly ivy]

Yeah never mind we must remain based let’s go there

Come on everyone

[storm jungle]

i saw one post where its an AI artwork of a loyalist chapter some guy "made" fighting chaos marines in LGBT colors, and in the comments hes like:

"I dont hate homos, I just prefer them to stay out of public and not really be seen"

wow, such a kind person

🙂

[shadow plover]

kill every redditor

[storm jungle]

stupid cunt lol

[outer wave]

Man, I hope that guy is closeted

That'd be funny

[storm jungle]

They usually always are

not even being sarcastic lol

[sly ivy]

Bro you know there’s a 70% base chance

[outer wave]

😔 🔫 Then kill me please

[sharp pollen]

reddit-lore-chat

[shadow plover]

Begone

[sly ivy]

Oh no

This is a tragic ending

But necessary

[keen nova]

That might be the one. Remeber when I wouldn't shut up about guard v Tau? I remeber trying to see if any regiments are better tuned for fighting against them because it's so one sided. There was one thread were people weren't making the same "send in more men hurr durr". All others would make me dig for 2 good answers in a sea of NPCs

[sly ivy]

Goodbye

[crystal forum]

guy cant even be bothered to draw his hatred himself smh

[outer wave]

I'm die....

Goodbye forever...

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the downside of it

Most literally are so blunt and dont explain anything

the good answers amongst the sea of NPC users are sometimes always the best tho

[keen nova]

Umm, that's like not checking wholesome

[sly ivy]

Or u can just ask me

[storm jungle]

Like one xample

[sly ivy]

I know everything and am very based

[keen nova]

https://tenor.com/view/soy-boy-point-point-soy-boy-wojak-point-wojak-laugh-gif-7924063371220129973

[sly ivy]

Yes this is me

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/instant-death-instant-death-magic-instant-death-magic-gif-26249299

[outer wave]

It wasn't wholesome chungus pupper 100

[storm jungle]

This is someho wthe top comment

yet answers nothing about this man's very understandable question

I legit hate this dumbass subreddit sometimes lol

[keen nova]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-gif-21991855

[shadow plover]

stop going there!

[sly ivy]

Jesus

[shadow plover]

remove it from your bookmarks!

[storm jungle]

Im waiting for my food to cook IM BORED

[humble shoal]

Cadia stands am I right

[storm jungle]

die

[humble shoal]

🪨

[shadow plover]

scroll twitter and look at your sexually confused art pieces!

[outer wave]

God the amount of times I see a top up voted comment and it's just someone trying to be witty and cool

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^

The neckbeard reddit pfp sums it up ngl

actual high school humor

[vagrant fox]

Over the last two weeks, being stuck with a tablet and phone, I've grown to genuinely hate Reddit straight up
Finna kms

[raven stone]

I mean, I could see why the answers relate but they do not give enough context.
You would have to talk about how the Cicatrix Maledictum draws more resources away from Segmentum Obscurus, only to leave SO completely undefended if more threats arise.
That and Chaos/GS cults are always bound to be all over the place.

[outer wave]

It's full of bots and rage bait tbh

As much as I'd love to use it for news and current events, it's a whole bunch of gross shit

[sly ivy]

How can you not love Reddit in the end tho

U know u’ll keep going back

[crystal forum]

my semi autistic ass will spend all day explaining the same thing to 6 different people

[humble shoal]

Their mobile interface is also an affront to tzeentch

[vagrant fox]

60% the joke is pornography do you get how it's funny because the joke is porn

[raven stone]

I get the feeing some people are caught in the trap of "I will use Reddit to live out my High School most popular guy/girl fantasies that I missed out on because I was actually the one being picked on"

[shadow plover]

I used to scroll through the 40k and the adjacent subreddits but I just grew so tired of the way people act on that site I deleted all my reddit bookmarks and stopped posting my minis there and my life has improved by at least 28%

[crystal forum]

and your minis have improved too?

[raven stone]

Never been active on reddit, glad to keep it that way lol

[sly ivy]

I just lurk

[storm jungle]

Its gotten even worse so you did the smarter thing

[crystal forum]

i stayed away from reddit and twitter my whole life

[humble shoal]

Had a reddit account as a teenager

[storm jungle]

r40klore has literally just turned into "Omg which primarch fart is the superior?"

PrimarchPrimarchPrimarchPrimarch

[humble shoal]

Designed a header for a website for a buck of bitcoin

[sly ivy]

Noooo you must give in

[storm jungle]

and the fucking inebt dumbass mods never properly police the subreddit

[shadow plover]

it's mortarion ofc, why even ask

[vagrant fox]

I've been looking at grimdank to pass the time and I've lost at minimum half of my brain

[sly ivy]

You are missing out on so much good Twitter schizo/autist content

[raven stone]

You wanna bet GW got the idea to resurrect Primarchs in 40k one by one after reading this reddit?

[humble shoal]

Vulcans farts are explosive

[storm jungle]

I do wonder how the main 40k discord lorechat is like compared to here however

[crystal forum]

angron shits aggressively

[sly ivy]

Like the yud/e.acc wars

[humble shoal]

Thats not a fart

If that were the case sanguinious would win

[crystal forum]

he shits aggressively

[humble shoal]

Flying shits

Flying bloody shits

[crystal forum]

every angron fart is at least wet

[sly ivy]

Bruhhhhhg

[vagrant fox]

I imagine Angron shits like a hippo

[crystal forum]

spraying on everything

[sly ivy]

Oh no that’s what the tail is for

I finally accept it

[crystal forum]

fulgrim isn't capable of farting anymore

[vagrant fox]

You ever seen a snake plant a dookie? It's like that

[sly ivy]

.

[shadow plover]

look at what you did Dilara

[sly ivy]

She meanwhile has fled

[raven stone]

In disappointment

[sly ivy]

Hiding in her anti shart bunker

[shadow plover]

@storm jungle witness this and weep in despair

[sly ivy]

In triumph

[crystal forum]

for there were no more worlds to conquer

[vagrant fox]

Another case of mod abuse, smh

[shadow plover]

you just mention "which primarc [x] [y]" and the neuron activates on these monkeys

[sly ivy]

@storm jungle rn

[crystal forum]

omg it's the emperor

[vagrant fox]

Yo that's the emperor

[raven stone]

and now to piss everyone off:
The Primarchs are just overglorified angsty teenage boys.

[vagrant fox]

yea

[shadow plover]

everyone knows that

[raven stone]

damn lol

[crystal forum]

that's not even a take it's straight up true

[raven stone]

wait does that make Emps the most angsty teenager ever 🤔

[celest dome]

yes

[vagrant fox]

The true take is that the setting would be better without the Tau

[crystal forum]

emp is the guy who never grew out of his jock years

[sly ivy]

Based

[crystal forum]

but also given god like powers

[storm jungle]

Im trying to watch Nosferatu aaaughhh

[celest dome]

Better as a setting or in world ?

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

This is true

[celest dome]

Who am I kidding, Tau doesn't matter either way

[storm jungle]

Also real

[humble shoal]

Which one

[shadow plover]

sounds like someone's committing a crime

[sly ivy]

Lmao u thought u could live

Outside of discord

[raven stone]

Is Nosterafu one of the lost primarchs?
/neuronactivationshitpost

[storm jungle]

Absolutely, its coming out on the digital on the 3rd im not gonna fucking wait that long lmao

[crystal forum]

sly marbo is the lost primarch

[storm jungle]

the newest one that just came out, its peak so far

[shadow plover]

because now way in hell are you on your phone in the cinema

[crystal forum]

kaldor draigo is the lost emperor

[humble shoal]

Ah yeah, like all nosferatu movies it loses some steam in the 4th act

[shadow plover]

are you watching a fucking cam version

[storm jungle]

Smart man

[shadow plover]

you degenerate

[humble shoal]

This one has his boss who is funny

Running around flopping his weiner everywhere

[raven stone]

I could see what GW was trying to do but in all honesty they should just have not...tried to write idealism into them, period.
Having a mixed race faction backed by Gundams is a cool enough concept.

[storm jungle]

Lmao I got past that scene its great

[storm jungle]

Correct

[raven stone]

Especially when every other previous faction is mono-species

[humble shoal]

Ypu think its one scene?

[shadow plover]

I for one am waiting for the digital release like a good little boy I am

[crystal forum]

tau suck idk why people see them as written like good people

[shadow plover]

god fucking dammit

[vagrant fox]

I want bad guys and nothing but bad guys in my warhams 40k

[storm jungle]

Ok mr guardsman

[crystal forum]

the guard are only horrible if you die

just dont die

[humble shoal]

Or get put in a penal legion

[vagrant fox]

Nasty freak, time yourself out

[storm jungle]

[hallow plover]

Living through multiple hellish battlefields must be fun

[raven stone]

People are too brainwashed by Star Trek and the like.

I mean, a lot of "T'au diplomacy" is actually more akin to the mercantile side of the British Empire.
(Think Opium Wars)

[crystal forum]

literally giving imperials trinkets lol

[raven stone]

First they claim to trade with you, then they make you reliant on their goods or sell you addictive shit

so you rely on them

[humble shoal]

Also they have less overtly evil aesthetics than some of the other factions

[raven stone]

then you try to stop them

and oh wait, you can't because they are merchants not under your rule

so the Tau come along and say

"Your laws suck, I need to post my troops here to defend my merchants"

[crystal forum]

kill the xenos is the simple answer here

[hallow plover]

Every factions is an aspect of the british

[vagrant fox]

That's why it's a grimdark future

[crystal forum]

this one trick could have saved hong kong

[raven stone]

Verily true, GW being a British IP and all

[vagrant fox]

Dark Eldar are just Irish

[crystal forum]

those damn hedonistic irish with their sadomasochistic sex

(dark eldar are parisians)

eldar are the rest of france

[raven stone]

I am from Hong Kong 🤣 and what I described was pretty much how the Opium Wars started.
Brits traded Opium into China, Chinese Court asked for merchants to stop.
Merchants said "no you" and kept selling Opium
Chinese tried to enforce law (Supposedly, we are told that they denied food/water to the merchant and their families as well - not sure how true this is, but the point being, Chinese Dyansty back then tried to enforce the law to prevent Opium trade)
British govt caught wind of the issue, decides to defend their subjects (and, if the stories about food/water deprivation are true, fair enough I suppose)

and the rest is...well, history

This sort of Tau Evil is not visible in 40k because, well, you can't really do this type of things on a tabletop tactical battle game lol

[crystal forum]

listen if the chinese simply killed all british...

[raven stone]

🤣

[crystal forum]

i wish we lived in a world where the british lost

[raven stone]

Funnily enough, in what is/will be Hong Kong, there was a village that did, in fact, decide to kill some British Troops during/after the Chinese Dyansty surrendered HK land to British govt way back then.
Obviously they lost, but said village still exists today, and it's inhabitants still celebrate that story of defiance.

[vagrant fox]

They'd do some Indian Rebellion of 1857 type of shit and people would still call the Tau good
This is why we stick to chaos

[raven stone]

[Insert overused joke about speaking German or Japanese instead]

[crystal forum]

just laugh at them for struggling against the zulus

[raven stone]

Ah, a fellow "how Tau are actually Evil just more subtly" appreciator

[crystal forum]

all that amazing artwork of british heroic last stands against the evil zulus

mfers you had guns they didn't

[winter vessel]

Oh I liked those movies

[vagrant fox]

I try to see the cool in all factions but I genuinely don't see anything interesting in morally good Tau

[winter vessel]

They sort of remind me of know it all CrossFit coach

[hallow plover]

Don't arouse me

[raven stone]

"We never lost the standard because the Zulus never took it"
Yea well the standard bearer died and nobody immediately retrieved it, it counts as a loss rofl lmao

[crystal forum]

i like the conscripted humans but as usual that's barely shown

[raven stone]

Only because GW are cowards

They gave us GSC/Traitor Guard

But not Tau Guard

[vagrant fox]

I should write for the Tau, no one would like it

[raven stone]

But sadly no one would really read it lol
Understanding how Tau are diplomatically Evil requires a lot of lore reading

far more than the average player would care to read beyond "oh look models"

[crystal forum]

it's like the level 1 40k lore knower thinking the imperium is good, level 3 is thinking tau are good

then at level 7 it loops back to thinking imperium is good because they're trying their best

then level 10 is realizing nobody's good

[raven stone]

Level 11: You still go back to Imperium but only because you are human. You actually see how fucked up IoM is, so you decided to become a Rogue Trader to get away from it all.

(Or an Inquisitor)

[vagrant fox]

I'd die in an industrial accident and no one would care
I know this is my 40k fate

[raven stone]

Those 2 roles are pretty much the only IoM aligned humans who can point out how fucked IoM is without reprecussions and actually chose to do something about it

[crystal forum]

i want to die to a heretic titan

that would be so fucking cool

my flesh instantly vaporizing when a plasma shot the size of a house explodes the world around me into superheated gas and ozone

[raven stone]

I want to die fighting against Chaos/Tyranids/Orks.
Will it be horrible? Yes. Painful? Definitely. Heck, I might even not make it to Golden Throne after death.
But I would die with a mostly clean conscience. Instead of, y'know, repressing Imperial citizens.

[humble shoal]

Id prefer renouncing my flash tbh

[crystal forum]

that's the fun part, you'll die making sure the imperium can keep oppressing people in that area

and then your soul gets eaten which who tf knows what that means

i like to think i become part of the demon that eats me

[vagrant fox]

It's gonna be Seamus of all things

[winter vessel]

Chaos wise. It either be undivided or to Khorne i want to die. Xenos, maybe the Orks or Tau

[vagrant fox]

Pledge to Khorne for the .1% chance of becoming the murderbeast

[crystal forum]

i'd rather be part of the chads who accept they'll never have power and just dont pledge themselves to anybody

(i will die very quickly)

[winter vessel]

The other of the pantheon is just “I get super AIDS”, “I get it in the ass before they even tell me” or “turn into a puddle for some Blue Bird’s curiosity”

[crystal forum]

they all suck tbh but khorne worshipers just wanna kill and i respect that

[vagrant fox]

It's a quick death regardless, but I do have a World Eaters medallion thing so I have to rep

[winter vessel]

IWs are my favorite of the traitor legions

They see any kind of Chaos mutation on their bodies they hack that shit off

[raven stone]

None can top Alpha Legion mindgames for me

Though yes, I am aware how their writing has been mangled

[winter vessel]

“I give you Snake Rain, NYEEH”

[raven stone]

lol

[winter vessel]

Aesthetic wise I do like the Alpha Legion, any sort of scale design on armor is very cool

[raven stone]

If I were ever to collect HH armies, it would be Alpha Legion as loyalist.
I just like the idea of stealing other legion's units

Also the tabletop made it so that most of Alpha Legion's named characers are not actually alingment locked

[sly ivy]

We do

[winter vessel]

Some guy made a pretty funny meme of the Alpha Legion using the footage from when Smurfette turns evil. I wish I could find it

[sly ivy]

The mantle of Rome passed to Amurca

[raven stone]

I mean, in all honesty I found it odd even the Founding Fathers were that obsessed over Rome

[sly ivy]

Bro that’s just dudes

My whole Indian family is also obsessed w Rome

[raven stone]

Well, ok, to be more precise, it's odd for Founding Fathers to be obsessed over Rome to the point of doing political ideology with it

you would think they draw more from European origins

[winter vessel]

Britain got something I’d like to try if I ever take a trip there. called a Yorkshire Burrito

[raven stone]

Being in London right now, that's also something I need to try.

[sly ivy]

Too much Latin in school

Veni vidi

[raven stone]

good point

[winter vessel]

Vermicelli

[celest dome]

Doesn't look too hard to make at home

[winter vessel]

Maybe, but it’d be the few excuses for me to go to some place that isn’t an Asian country since I’ll be on my deathbed before going to Europe

[humble shoal]

I want to go to rome because I was supposed to go for uni

But covid happened

[raven stone]

oof

[humble shoal]

Was gonna go with a rome nerd (historian who lived in rome for 15 years)

[raven stone]

😮

truly fate is cruel and fickle at times

[humble shoal]

Indeed

[crystal forum]

it happened too late 😔

[humble shoal]

Would have also died physically though

Dude said "after we get off the plane we are going to do a tour of the old walls of rome"

Which is more than a half marathon

[raven stone]

...Truly the Emperor works in mysterious ways 😅

[humble shoal]

Yup

[raven stone]

Actuallly, that does bring me back to 40k lore a bit as well.
It's already dumb enough that Emps kept Chaos a secret for...barely...justified reasons.
But I find it even more silly that he never left a blueprint or at least a summary of what he intended to achieve

So that, you know, Euphrati Keeler can then just suddenly decide (in the middle of the Siege of Terra, the worst situation to draw conclusions) that Emperor demanded nothing but Obedience (which then became the centra foundation of all the religious shenanigans that came after)

[crystal forum]

idk why the HH writer squad wanted the ecclesiarchy to be founded by a single person when it's shown in numerous occasions throughought the series that independent people worshiped the emperor already

like is it really not possible that the imperial religion gained traction on its own

[raven stone]

How Euphrati Keeler's version became the defining one is worth a sequel series all on its own

Which - with enough politiking and string pulling, I can see happening.

The fact that she was amongst those on Terra itself during the Siege gives her word greater weight in any theological arguments

[crystal forum]

the dumb imperial peasants were already willing to believe whatever they'd be told

most religion had been wiped out

see that's the problem with the emperor

[humble shoal]

What happened to siggi

[raven stone]

Well, on Terra at least, but in all honesty once Terra is converted then it's all in the bag, since Terra is the capital world.

[crystal forum]

he wanted to kill religion without providing education to replace it

so the superstitions and beliefs remained

[raven stone]

Or philosophy, which most solid religions do tend to actually have

even if warpped up in a lot of religious language and wordings

[raven stone]

He died protecting Emps

[crystal forum]

every religion discovered was stomped out during the great crusade

[humble shoal]

Then how were the black templars founded?

[raven stone]

Indeed, which is why when Eupgrati Keeler started speaking her tract everyone latched on

[raven stone]

Wait crap
My apologies

I confused Sangunius for Siguismund

To explain the Black Templars...to cut a long story short

[humble shoal]

Siggi was also one of the og religious zealots

[winter vessel]

But he was a damn good duelist

[humble shoal]

He also chained his gun to his arm

[raven stone]

after the Iron Cage incident, Rogal Dorn decided to obey Guilliman's Codex Astartes.
Siguismund was like "No, Guilliman is not The Emperor, he cannot tell us the Great Crusade is over"
So he split off with the Black Templar portion of the Imperial Fists and did his own thing.

Becoming the Black Templars we all know and love

[humble shoal]

Technically he was first removed by dorn cuz he started worshipping the emperor

[raven stone]

Siggi actually got to duel Abaddon at one point

by lore

Not sure about the outcome though.

[humble shoal]

But he also hated the codex astartes

[humble shoal]

Think that was how he finally fied or smthn

[raven stone]

possibly

[humble shoal]

I know he dropped some hard lines supposedly

[winter vessel]

By then Sigismund was too old, age had handicapped his fight with Abby and fell by his hand

[raven stone]

sad

though Siggi was the one who had a rough idea of the eternal war future even during the time when Great Crusade was going well

if only because he actually knew to ask "wait why create us if peace is the ultimate end goal after all the conquest?"

[humble shoal]

Tbf horus had similar thoughts

[crystal forum]

horus's conclusion to that question was that emp intended to get rid of them afterwards

[rose thorn]

Love this lmao

[humble shoal]

Pretty much

Was he wrong, probably

[rose thorn]

This is the best catachan model they can show

[humble shoal]

I think emps would have just let the sm disseapear naturally

[crystal forum]

guard remains on top

[raven stone]

funny unrelated thing, but I actually have a joke "Black Templars hit list"
Basically, any fictional villains from any fictional media that does something so evil and reprehensible that they cross the line into unforgivable?
You just thow the Black Templars at them to off them lmao

[humble shoal]

The emperors champion approaches

[raven stone]

The novles allude to Emps giving them a golden cage retirement home

[humble shoal]

Figured

[crystal forum]

idk why it's such a hard thing to believe that they'd just go around making sure the galaxy doesnt die to insurrections or smth

[humble shoal]

A couple of legions may need to get culled though

[crystal forum]

space marines can do nothing if they want

they can fight eachother even

[humble shoal]

World eaters, night lords.... probably gotta go

[crystal forum]

they're not ADHD children like they can have restraint

[humble shoal]

Petty baby would kill his legion all on his own

[crystal forum]

world eaters got fucked by angron so it's not the emp's fault there

[humble shoal]

Yup

Tbh though still dont get emps decision with angron

Why not save the slaves

[crystal forum]

night lords idk tbh im still reading the book

[humble shoal]

I mean they are a terror legion designed to do atrocious things to people

Slaanesh aah ass legion

[crystal forum]

and they're really good at creating order

[humble shoal]

Not in a peaceful world they wpuldnt

[crystal forum]

so just dont station them on a peaceful world

[humble shoal]

They need the eternal war to not be an active detriment

[crystal forum]

put them on necromunda

[raven stone]

Really Bad Black Library Writing (TM)
Like yes, they had to work with a premise from a magazine article way back when.
But they failed to update the lore.

Official lore wise, Guilliman had negotiated with the slave owners to join the Imperium.
Potentially implied to be a political sacrifice to not save the slaves.

[humble shoal]

To peace

[crystal forum]

plus imagine if nids arrived to a galaxy post great crusades that dont have anybody defending

[humble shoal]

Or just necrons

[crystal forum]

necrons would be wiped out more easily by a fully unified galaxy tbh

[raven stone]

I still find it weird how the Black Library authors decided to have HH have an indirect part in attracting Nids to the galaxy. By the loyalists, no less.

[humble shoal]

Could see the fists/iron warriors just being used as souped up construction workers

[crystal forum]

ultras as administrators..

[humble shoal]

Ravens as spies

[crystal forum]

emperor's children as artists

[humble shoal]

And alpha legion as also spies

[hallow plover]

Night lords as...?

[humble shoal]

Dead

[crystal forum]

nah put them on necromunda

[humble shoal]

But really judges

If they fix their recruiting methods

[raven stone]

Assuming GC went as planned, Night Lords and World Eaters have gotta go.
All the other legions can actually find some peaceful use.

[hallow plover]

They were intented as a hate magnet so the horrible shit the other legions did seemed alright

[crystal forum]

old lore tbh

[vagrant fox]

They had to hit plot points from 20-30 years ago that weren't connected in any real way

[humble shoal]

Yup, hence why they are the sacrifices

[humble shoal]

Yeah dont think it was possible to save that storyline

[raven stone]

huh did not realize it was older than the HH novels. Unless you mean the Pharos Device got retconned.

[hallow plover]

And night lords got worse because they started shipping criminals and psychopaths to the legion once Kurze was far from nostromo

[crystal forum]

salamanders would just chill and make guns

iron hands would do tech stuff

space wolves would keep the other space marines in check lol

[humble shoal]

Blood angels might have died

Maggy would be on the golden throne

[crystal forum]

blood angels were too mutated so yeah probably

[humble shoal]

The only reason they get a pasd now is that there are bigger problems

[raven stone]

[purely speculation/waffling] if I were told to update the storyline, I would make it so that the reason why Emps wanted the slave owneres is made excessively clear (for example, really rare STC that cannot be damaged, etc.) since, you know, one of his own sons is mutilated.

Or maybe make it so that Emps actually reneges the deal, tells Angron to exercise restrained retaliation, only for Angron to go overboard.

[humble shoal]

And then kills all of his buddies

[raven stone]

And not this weird, really weak "because Guilliman did stuff" we got

[crystal forum]

i wouldn't be against the rewriting of great scouring stuff

[humble shoal]

Or you go grimderp

[crystal forum]

the reasons for most of the primarchs pissing off are weak

[humble shoal]

"STC for bayonets"

Mars says we want it and threatens to secede

Emps has no choice

[crystal forum]

"when the imperium needed them the most they fucked off to the eye of terror"

[raven stone]

I will be honest I found War Of The Beast to be a really weak follow up to HH

[crystal forum]

war of the beast is not good yeah

[humble shoal]

The primorks

[raven stone]

like killing off the original Imperial Fists? Come on.

[humble shoal]

Tbh the beast is probably the source of the memed gestalt

Opness

[vagrant fox]

I ignore the war of the beast

[raven stone]

||Armageddon being Ullanor|| is an interesting niche concept but piss poor executed.

Like, instead of ||Ad Mech|| being dicks

maybe have the Orks do it

[crystal forum]

i love how armageddon is so much better that nobody gives a shit about the beast

[raven stone]

without expecting it to succeed.

[crystal forum]

even though the beast was like the biggest ork ever

[raven stone]

I mean, at least they tried to say Gazghkull might be the next big one, which...plays into the "what if Orks unite" fear factor qutie nicely

All in all War of the Beast had interesting plot concepts here and there

[crystal forum]

i fucking love the hints at what orks could become if allowed to run rampant

[raven stone]

buried under a mountain of...well, shit

[crystal forum]

even though it's a trope for every faction to have a "what if they won..." scenario

[rose thorn]

i figured out why the hell the imprecactions of daemons was such a terrible fucking audio drama

nick kymes mostly writes HH stuff

[raven stone]

I understand the HH novels took decades to write, but I would rather that amount of time and investment went into the War of The Beast series to get the most out of it

instead of the makeshift sci fi novels we got

[rose thorn]

the HH books quality is so utterly inconsistant

that it made liek 2 chapters bascially unreadably bad

[raven stone]

Inconsistent as it is, at least it was an attempt to thinnk things out logically

[rose thorn]

causing permanent damage to their lore

[raven stone]

and not ||oh yea Orks wiped out the original Imperial Fist trolololo||

[humble shoal]

Not sure why we needed HH anyways

[hallow plover]

Only 2?

[humble shoal]

Black templars are the true fists

[rose thorn]

the only ones that come to mind are the salamanders and EC

[humble shoal]

Not those bootlickers

[raven stone]

As we discussed above, Angron's recruitment alone is lore breaking enough because writers forgot to update it

[rose thorn]

but maybe the codex will do an HH retcon

[rose thorn]

OH YEAHHH WE too

[crystal forum]

space marines

[humble shoal]

Give me more guard novels

[crystal forum]

you'll receive commissar books and you'll be happy

[raven stone]

Tabletop: sell more space marines.
Lore: The fandom latched onto this period and demanded to know more.

[raven stone]

Inquisitor/Rogue Traders for me.

[rose thorn]

it made space marine players feel like their color of marines are their own army

[humble shoal]

Then at least give me some solar auxilia books

[rose thorn]

so now half of the armies in the game are space marines

[humble shoal]

I like the space sharks because their chapter master sounds like an OC

[crystal forum]

space marines space marines space marines

dont you love space marines

[raven stone]

Truly an untapped market

[humble shoal]

Hes a space marine but like he's bigger. And he has claws and drills andnshit

[rose thorn]

space marine players complaining that stormcast ruined fantasy

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26155047

(they never have or will play WHFB or AOS)

[crystal forum]

discount custodes

[raven stone]

That does make sense actually, even if they, sadly, contributed to it.

[humble shoal]

Not even going naked in sadness smh

[crystal forum]

i wish custodes stayed naked

[hallow plover]

I hate stormcasts because they are undead

[raven stone]

I think I have GW to thank for killing me off Spess Mahreens for good when they did the Primaris stunt

[rose thorn]

waht happened was WHFB sold less than the tactical marines box

and was losing GW money

and luckily stormcasts have not gotten the space marine treatment

[crystal forum]

yet

[humble shoal]

Same

[raven stone]

damn

[rose thorn]

they literally killed a third of the army to make sure it doesnt happen lmao

[crystal forum]

GW knows what sells well

[crystal forum]

oh right

[humble shoal]

Reminds me was considering buying the krieg set

Cuz they have horsies

[raven stone]

so that was what that stromcast purge was about

back then

[rose thorn]

they got rid of every dog water tier model

and models that served no role in the army

[crystal forum]

imagine if they had bikes instead of horses

vroom

[humble shoal]

Their horses eat meat though

Thats funny

[rose thorn]

feel like sacrosanct shouldnt have completley died but what ever

just leave like, 4 models

[raven stone]

Shame the new Guard Codex now lives strictly in 3 regiments

[crystal forum]

still horses

[raven stone]

and modles might be scaled differently

[crystal forum]

oh no my horse's leg broke guess i'm without a fucking mount now

[raven stone]

imagine using Bretonnian knights as 40k Guard Cav

[humble shoal]

The horses can take bolter rounds....

[rose thorn]

will it still have the generic guard and company rules?

[crystal forum]

lore bullshit

[rose thorn]

or will it be keyword locked

?

[humble shoal]

Still derpy lore

[raven stone]

It doesn't sound like there will be a generic choice from the Warhammer Community Article

[rose thorn]

ie cadian company company. cadian guard squad

[humble shoal]

Cadian, catechan, krieg

Those are your choices

[crystal forum]

"no trust me these horses are cool actually"

[raven stone]

Cross Regiment command might be a thing

but not sure

[crystal forum]

solar auxilia if you're feeling fancy

[rose thorn]

personally i would get rid of the regiment specific rules

[humble shoal]

I do like the bubble suits

[rose thorn]

and just have all the models be reskins of each other

but waht ever

[raven stone]

In all honesty, the way GW is doing things is why I find myself drawn to the Agents List

I can actually personalize

[humble shoal]

Im actually playing alpha legion, the horse is alpharius

[rose thorn]

you get to put guardsmen into a rhino

[crystal forum]

WHERE

[raven stone]

and I confess I still have a soft spot for Deathwatch
But miniature wise I only use pre-Primaries things

[rose thorn]

agents of teh imperium

[raven stone]

Well, Guard Equivalent

[crystal forum]

oh that's the lame sisters rhino

[raven stone]

Imperial Navy Breachers/Arbites in Rhinos

[rose thorn]

oh you cant put your stolen from other armies models in there?

[crystal forum]

you can put militia in a land raider in HH

[raven stone]

Also also, GW just had to be an asshat to lock an updated Inquisitor model behind subscriptions

[rose thorn]

or am i getting that rule mixed up

[crystal forum]

you can i think

[raven stone]

for 40k, it's all keywords locked. Sadly.

[rose thorn]

damn

[crystal forum]

it's just not a space marine rhino

fucking keywords

[raven stone]

this brings me to my lowkey next pethate

GW catering to the over competitive crowd

The reason why rules now are so strict and asinine, is because as soon as GW tries to be remotely colourful with the rules

[rose thorn]

one of my partenrs is starting a DW army, shes planning to buy 5 beaky marines from hh off hand and convert it to 5 more DW vets

[crystal forum]

i despise those old fucks

[raven stone]

some asshat, somewhere, is determined to make the most gamebreaking combo ever

[raven stone]

Aawesome stuff - and appropriate, since DeathWatch does tend to have random relics donated by various Chapters

[rose thorn]

remember when vehicle spam broke the meta liek 5 times

[crystal forum]

this is why i play HH now

i love dumb shit

[rose thorn]

i hate the rules for GSC so ive just been taking a break from 40k unless tehy release an army i like

and i have a feeling demons is gonna die soon so shrug

[raven stone]

I think I speak for the both of us when I say we despise how the rules have changed and our collections can't keep up, but we still love the lore

the lore is pretty much the only thing GW actually pays more attention to

nowadays

[crystal forum]

because lore is cheap

[rose thorn]

oh yeah i love GSC lore

i just hate they made GSC into a melee swarm army

and got rid of teh stealth stuff

[crystal forum]

trench crusade was just lore before models. anybody can do lore

[raven stone]

I still have it in my mind to write that 40k! Romance of 3 Kingdoms some day.
GSC/Traitor Cultists+Guard/Loyalist Guard all scrumming it out on the same planet without actual Nids/Marines/Chaos Marines.

[rose thorn]

lol

[raven stone]

False flags everywhere

[rose thorn]

i have half a mind to make a brood brothers army

but i know not to lol

[raven stone]

I need to grab my dirty hands on some reasonable looking Inquisitor model
then actually just get some breachers and solar aux
so I can finally have an Inquisitor, a Rogue Trader and their Breacher/Retinue getting into shennanigans

[crystal forum]

could just use solar aux as breachers

[raven stone]

(right now I have a Spyrer set to be the Rogue Trader, but short of Marine Power Armour I am not sure what else I can use as an Inquisitor...)

[raven stone]

Irony is, I like both Breacher and Solar Aux miniatures

[crystal forum]

you can use a generic guard leader unit. some inquisitors dress up like guardsmen

[raven stone]

no disrespect to Guard, but both those actually look like they can survive space and hostile environment

[raven stone]

On the one hand, true, on the other hand, a bit averse to having the Inquistior look less armoured than the Spyrer armoured trader XD

[crystal forum]

krieg can do hostile environments

[raven stone]

(not void/space though, but fair point)

[crystal forum]

are you expecting to only do void stuff or smth

[raven stone]

I mean, a Boarding Patrol is only 500 points

even if I don't play that often it's nice to look at

and a sense of uniformity despite having 2 different units (Voidsmen and Breachers are treated as 2 different units)

[crystal forum]

i prefer having less uniformity with inquisitors

[raven stone]

Ah, was not clear - in my head, the Breachers/Voidsmen both actually serve the RT

is why they are more uniformed in appearance

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[queen laurel]

They say that even though nine out of 10 times a storm cast is more interesting than a space marine

[crystal forum]

there's also 100 times the amount of space marine slop so it's not a tough competition

[storm jungle]

Lmao I love this

[raven stone]

Nah, that's not the point. The point is more "why are they making fantasy more like 40k now"
You have to recall most of the people complaining - admittedly, myself included - think of fantasy with a more Tolkien lens

[crystal forum]

40k sells

[queen laurel]

Why do you have to be way to analytical of my joke man

[storm jungle]

The problem is WHF was never really grounded in reality either

[raven stone]

(unlike myself, most of those people are the same people using Tolkein to justif very questionable IRL views)

[queen laurel]

I'm making a joke and that space marines are rather boring

[storm jungle]

Please dont say these

I dont wanna deal with another Eternal spat again

[queen laurel]

I did say nine out of 10 times

[raven stone]

Sorry, jokes don't carry too well on text XD

[queen laurel]

There are good space marine characters

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

nuance in my discord??

[raven stone]

Heretical, I know, we should have descended into a flame war by now

with gender and racial slurs everywhere

[storm jungle]

Well im sure it will happen in a few minutes

[queen laurel]

If we have descended into a flame war i would have been banned the moment i entered here

[raven stone]

lol

well it's great that the ones active here are actually chill leaning

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats because I ban most of the asshole users who always have a space marine pfp

because of course they do

💀

[raven stone]

Lol

[humble shoal]

Bonus if black templars

[queen laurel]

I don't want to deal with an eternal spat

Mentions something that gives eternal reward the aneurysms