40k-lore-chat

[forest orbit]

💀

but also yes correct

I do hate females

🧋

[dusk patrol]

“GW failing!” Article

Actual article: two stores aren’t getting 40k stuff cause supply issues form people buying too much 40kz

[storm jungle]

No not even that

just screenshot the point where their stocks just fell for like 2 days

(because thats kinda what the fuck stocks are for, they are flimsy)

[sonic knot]

wtf i cant believe that james workshop added women to 40k
i cant enjoy it anymore cuz im too scared of them

[dusk patrol]

True tbh

Women

[storm jungle]

I dread every time BL releases a 40k book and the cover has a black perosn on it.

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

if its not women its being racist

im tired boss

[dusk patrol]

I’m glad Eddie Murphy broke into 40k finally

[median star]

whatever you do dont go to the psycanium

[sonic knot]

you cant reference that, the quote is made by a black person

[dusk patrol]

Always felt like the next logical step

[sonic knot]

someone will get mad

[arctic talon]

Where’s the stupid 4chan post

The black library one

[queen laurel]

I love the fact when people get surprised when i don't hate women as a warhammer fan, i'm an ork fan and in my honest belief equal rights equal fights, i don't care about your gender i care about you if you can square up or not

[dusk patrol]

Me when Ultramarines are black

(I don’t read the lore)

[storm jungle]

YEET

honestly also yeah i wish they didnt hide the racism so much

[viral axle]

Which

[storm jungle]

like you can be honest with us

will we ridicule you, well yeah

but still lol

"Guilliman is white, why arent his marines white"

(yes this was a real thing someone said)

[viral axle]

Oh yeah

[dusk patrol]

This one

[arctic talon]

Why is this woman Indian(space marine 2 refrence)

[queen laurel]

What do you mean fat shark added an asian in warhammer

[dusk patrol]

Idk why people get all upset about them being black, the real issue is they’re all Br*tish

[queen laurel]

To this day being french or british gets you put on a cross huh

[dusk patrol]

As it should

[forest orbit]

Rightfully so

[median star]

could be both

[dusk patrol]

True

[forest orbit]

a half-breed......

[queen laurel]

Of all the unanimous agreement

[viral axle]

Or that stuff with vulkan saying the salamanders weren't black before he was introduced in the setting

[arctic talon]

Krieg are the worst

Because they have French accents

[languid meadow]

The grimdark elements of 40k isn't the eternal war, it's that everyone is European.

[arctic talon]

Or British ones

Or German ones

It’s evil

[dusk patrol]

They sorta are sorta aren’t

Some Nocturneans are and some aren’t

[viral axle]

Ah

[forest orbit]

Also Salamanders were literally white

[dusk patrol]

But all get that much deeper coal black skin from the geneseed

[forest orbit]

their charcoal skin came later

[dusk patrol]

But yeah

[storm jungle]

Oh man i found some ancient art of tu'shan

[arctic talon]

Sa’kan for example is Asian

[storm jungle]

before they made him pitch-black

[dusk patrol]

Nocturnes son

[storm jungle]

hold on

[queen laurel]

Yeah and even then their skin are literally not natural occurring as well

[arctic talon]

He’s East Asian rather

Bro looks Chinese

[queen laurel]

It's literally the radiation from their planet

[dusk patrol]

The eyes and skin yeah

[arctic talon]

But he’s got the usual salamander look

[dusk patrol]

It’s from the sun of their world and the geneseed

[arctic talon]

Because geneseed + funny radiation

[storm jungle]

Pro photoshop editing on GW's half

[forest orbit]

thats from Armageddon iirc

[storm jungle]

yep it is

that also had shots of their minis pre-charcoal skin

[dusk patrol]

When Vulkan was first found the legion stayed on Nocturne for a bit to insert joke here

[arctic talon]

IGNEAN

[queen laurel]

The face my homie makes when i tell him i don't speak robbery

[storm jungle]

Boondocks ass joke

[dusk patrol]

They got the I-word pass it’s ok

[arctic talon]

I HATE IGNEANS
-tu’shab

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀

[arctic talon]

Little known brother of Tu’shan

[storm jungle]

up there with n'wah

[arctic talon]

He was killed on Armageddon

[queen laurel]

Merry christmas mods

[storm jungle]

in a drive-by orks i assume

[languid meadow]

Tragic

We must stop this violence

[dusk patrol]

Sa’kan 🤝 Tsu’gon

Being suck on pun names

[storm jungle]

Sa'kan is just terrible

like it makes me ask if these people ever say the names they write outloud

[queen laurel]

Sa'kan my balls

[arctic talon]

Nah he got blown up on Nocturne when someone didn’t tell him a volcano was erupting

[storm jungle]

Sa'kan my tasty nocturne balls

[median star]

do you think if the orks ever took over armagedon theyd try and move it to its old spot

[dusk patrol]

Stop being culturally insensitive Dilara

[storm jungle]

I cant, im a turk

🇹🇷

[dusk patrol]

True

[storm jungle]

Probably not

like jokes aside

they are literally unknowingly attracted to the planet itself

[dusk patrol]

It would be a lot of work

[storm jungle]

less its location

[sonic knot]

i literally dont comprehend anything that has been said for the last like 2 minutes
im convinced yall are just speaking gibberish now

[storm jungle]

We are

its 40k lore

[dusk patrol]

Sa’kan deez

[arctic talon]

When do we get a Turkey inspired guard regiment that’s somehow incredibly offensive because GW forgor/j

[sonic knot]

here i can contribute

[median star]

gork and mork are secretly two kroks in it core in a control room this whole time like c consciousness from stalker

[storm jungle]

aughhh

awful

[queen laurel]

Here in lore chat we speak loreish

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

also speaking of this im gonna head back to work I nee dmy squeebles

[languid meadow]

Only a jokaero can understand this

[queen laurel]

Just like Laati, yeah we have another one of you like you are nothing compared to that guy

[arctic talon]

Alright have fun with your job

[queen laurel]

Have fun

[sonic knot]

what the hell is this

why he fingie so long

[languid meadow]

Orangutan

[median star]

for working the ancient technologies

[queen laurel]

They are space orangutans with the genetic knowledge to build stuff

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-orangutan-monkey-monke-hammer-gif-23830655

[queen laurel]

Like engineers

[languid meadow]

Stupid space apes

[sonic knot]

the imperiums finest

[languid meadow]

I love them

[sonic knot]

[languid meadow]

The mechanicus blowing up entire worlds so they can create a slightly more efficient doorknob (they'll forget about it in 2 centuries)

[arctic talon]

Space monkey making infinite nuclear bomb factory from 3 lasguns and a leman russ

[median star]

a technological renaissance

[sonic knot]

warframe players

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-templates-typing-fast-typing-gif-2853334990506330298

[sonic knot]

me when i commit countless genocides to get 1 more slash proc per second on a build that gets a bajillion per second already

[dusk patrol]

Hey they’re not people anyways

Or they’re dumb enough to tangle with me

Either way

It’s moral

[arctic talon]

Me killing the indoctrinated cultist wage slave with a sword because he got in my way

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-the-deep-womp-womp-womp-gif-3609577709521239194

Should've become a biological weapon dumbass

[dusk patrol]

I barely remember warframe lore

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-doesnt-make-sense-i-dont-get-it-i-dont-understand-gif-19882648

[dusk patrol]

Very true

[languid meadow]

Sometimes it comes to me in flashes like I'll remember it all then forget it instantly, like a mental flashbang.

[dusk patrol]

Grineer were like, clones and biologically made to be perfect which is hilarious

Corpus is explained by changing it to Corpos

[queen laurel]

All i know is that even the weakest canonical frame could probably brutalize a blood thirster

[dusk patrol]

It do be very anime

[arctic talon]

Grineer are clones who cloned more clones of each other

After rising up

ignore the fact their rules are Orokin

Corpus are literally like a corporation but a cult

And they literally worship money

[dusk patrol]

Orokin are lost civilization stuff whatever

[queen laurel]

That's pretty eternal reward i will say

[dusk patrol]

Nah I’m not that based

[arctic talon]

Orokin are the omega evil precursor empire

Orokin immortality is like

Comically grimdark

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

What is it like Jupiter ascending stuff

[arctic talon]

So what happens is, once an Orokin grows old, they go buy a Yuvan(which is a young good looking person, preferably a child that’s kidnapped) the yuvan is then tortured emotionally and physically until the mind gives out, some stuff is done to fully remove the mind and then the Orokin slips into the new body.

Thank you DE

Not sure who wrote this

But they were on some shit

[dusk patrol]

Makes sense

I know the warframes are made from people

Soylent Warframe is people!

[arctic talon]

In any case the war within was extremely creepy as a quest because the player character partially goes through the mental torture process before it fails lol

[shadow plover]

Warframe 1999 did the wild thing and made me care about the story characters for the first time in 10 years

[arctic talon]

Next black library celebration mini better cook harder then this

Or else I’ll be mildly disappointed

Also having read her books they’re good

Glad they weren’t terrible lol

[plush mason]

why is it so important to the orks anyway?

[plush mason]

sacred rose?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

neat

[queen laurel]

It used to be a giant ork empire and was the last planet the emperor fought in

That's what makes it very significant

It's probably has something to do with the ork empire part

[plush mason]

wtf is the red gobbo?

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Da_Red_Gobbo

[queen laurel]

He supposed to be multiple grots

And he's basically a grot that wants to lead the great revolution

And release the grots from the orks

And from that

You can guess that it's probably never going to happen

[plush mason]

it also looks like GW uses him for xmas promotions lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's been basically demoted to to be their christmas mascot which i prefer than him looking like this

[plush mason]

where the hell is this "gorkamorka" place anyway?

[queen laurel]

The game takes place in the desert world of Angelis

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gorkamorka

[queen laurel]

Like i said it's the desert world of Angelis for the imperium

Orks call it Gorkamorka

Not to be confused by the god in AOS

[tough haven]

Isn’t there a while monologue about how they’re going to lose, repeatedly, but that’s ok since grots are so good at losing

[queen laurel]

Well yes but how is gw supposed to sell ork models

With grots

They have put themselves in a deadlock because they basically made it that they are as lazy as fantasy orcs

And required the gretchen or in this case their goblin to basically function

As a society

[rocky gale]

Have they said in any of the Warcom articles if the new Squats for Necromunda are getting rules in 10th?

[shadow plover]

none of them have thus far so I doubt it

[rocky gale]

Yea but Votann are such a small range that they'd need it more than any of the others tbh

[queen laurel]

Besides getting an incredibly average book

They have no model announcements since they release right

[rocky gale]

Killteam

Two Killteams?

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like just counting mainline 40k

Just avoid any other games

[rocky gale]

Yea no I don't think they've had any mainline 40k models since their initial release wave

[queen laurel]

Just like the 40k table top

Yeah like they need something in that department

[shadow plover]

it's a small range yeah but I recon they'll get a few units more once the 10th ed codex drops

[queen laurel]

Necromunda and killteam

Are good

[shadow plover]

votann and ironheads are such a different vibe I don't believe they'll get merged

[queen laurel]

But they need a mainline 40k tabletop model

[shadow plover]

and bringing things from Necromunda to 40k feels weird, it's such a condensed setting

[queen laurel]

I am at least sure tenth edition will get them covered

Hopefully

[queen laurel]

Yeah Necromunda is so detached from the rest of the warhammer universe that if you separated from warhammer it could stand up as it's own thing

[storm jungle]

Necromunda is like the rich snob at the party that does not want to be seen with the lesser models

[shadow plover]

(granted I do prefer the votann vibe to most of the ironhead models)

some of them are very cool though

[storm jungle]

Yeah it does make me sad tho

I dont hate the Votann but every time a banger Ironhead mini gets released the actual dwarf army gets overshadowed

literally suffering from success

[shadow plover]

I mean I meant Votann > Ironhead in my eyes

the basic Ironhead units are pretty boring but every slightly more special unit is just great

[storm jungle]

yeah but this is an unpopular opinion

[shadow plover]

like the big boy or the vehicle

[storm jungle]

we are losing ground

[shadow plover]

ah, true

[storm jungle]

we need more votann minis!

[storm jungle]

Yeah every time im like

"Well stuff like the heirenkyn is cool"

guy shows me a random ironhead mini thats cooler

"damn it"

[shadow plover]

these are truly great

but the rest are pretty whatever

[storm jungle]

but

the lil robots

😭

[shadow plover]

oh yeah, those come with the trikes too

[rocky gale]

The Squat Ball tank is genuinely like one of the best tanks GW have made

[storm jungle]

the Moon Rover aesthetic is so good

[celest dome]

We need some Squat Ironhead Brewer

[storm jungle]

We'll definitely get one at some point

Munda cooks

[celest dome]

Joseph Bugman need his representative on Necromunda

[spare osprey]

I say

We enslave em

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Ah yes i'm sure treating machinery that we decided to give sentience a slaves never ended badly in any sort of media whatsoever

[spare osprey]

Thas why

You remove the sentience

And strap nukes on them for safety

[hallow saddle]

the necromunda squats are awesome

looking forward to seeing what the next wave of votann is

[queen laurel]

Ah yes cold machinery

The perfect helper and weapon

[hallow saddle]

Will we eventually get a Votann lord of war that's a floating stone head that shoots lasers beams from its eyes???

[rose thorn]

have you seen his aos mini?

with little to no effort you could make him into a necromunda bugman

[rose thorn]

its so fucking funny, im pretty sure they both necromunda nad votaan the same number of unique units now

[outer wave]

So why is that dwarfs in general only use axes and never swords or spears?

[queen laurel]

Well they use axe's and hammers but yeah their melee weapons are mostly just that

[rose thorn]

cant say for old world

[rocky gale]

Because a lot of people basically simplify Dwarves as small Vikings/Scots and simplify Vikings/Scots as using axes

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly it's more like a stylistic thing

[rose thorn]

but in aos, kharadron mostly use guns and their liek 2 good melee units use harpoons and chainswords

and for fyreslayers keys are important relgiious symbols

[queen laurel]

And like if you want to simplify it into basic utility it's basically like those weapons put a lot of their weight in the top making swinging them very very powerful and shortening them works very well

[rose thorn]

so many of their axes look like keys

[queen laurel]

Considering the way they live in

Deep tunnels you would probably use hand hammers or axes

[rose thorn]

(also fyreslayers also use alot fo spears and whips and stuff)

[outer wave]

Oh I really like the idea of their axes looking like keys

[rose thorn]

yee

[rocky gale]

Honestly if it's for tunnel fighting Dwarves would probably have spears

[queen laurel]

Yeah these are giant keys

[queen laurel]

Yeah they probably would

[rocky gale]

Thrusting weapons rather than having to swing overhead or to the side and risk hitting the wall

[rose thorn]

they fyre slayers store their most important resource, urgold, in giant faults. so they bring the keys to the vault into battle since

if they all die

there is no need for the key

[queen laurel]

Honestly for warhammer dwarves it's probably because of grimnir and Grungni

[rose thorn]

and no one can get into the vault unless htey kill all of them

[queen laurel]

Grimnir always carried battle axes for battle

And Grungni was a master smith and always used a hammer

[rocky gale]

I'd say a lot of it comes from Gimli in LOTR having an Axe

[queen laurel]

But it for speaking by real life conventions then yeah

[rocky gale]

Even though in the Hobbit I'm pretty sure most of the Dwarves used swords or spears

But Gimli is the bigger archetype

[queen laurel]

I think it's just the fact that axes and hammers on small size are pretty useful in compact spaces is the reason

They can deliver much more powerful blows as well with all of the weight of the weapon being at the top of the head

And considering they are substantially stronger than a human

[rocky gale]

There's also something to be said about the extra utility of axes and hammers

[queen laurel]

That's going to do a lot of damage

Like a dwarf would probably do more damage with a one-handed axe than a one-handed sword

[outer wave]

Damn fyreslayers are kinda cool now....

[rose thorn]

angry naked symmetrical men

[outer wave]

I used to think they were pretty lame in comparison to their fantasy counterparts but the guardian theme going is unique

[rose thorn]

they also are kinda merc core if you are into that

[queen laurel]

Yeah and in battle they use golden runes powered by their fallen god

[rocky gale]

Most of the AoS factions are pretty sweet now, they just needed time to cook

[queen laurel]

They go metal as hell

[rose thorn]

basically they collect shards of their dead god

[outer wave]

Me when metal morph

[rose thorn]

and hammer it into their own skin to absorb the power

[outer wave]

Damn that's metal

[queen laurel]

Yeah and they believe that when they fight they release his essence and you know he can reform

[rose thorn]

also if you arent ill and paint them well they look amaizng

the base paintjob is just literal trash

[queen laurel]

Yes they are

[outer wave]

Yoo that's sick

[queen laurel]

Yeah this faction is made to be not taken seriously and just have fun with

[rose thorn]

they do have great storeis though

[queen laurel]

Which is perfect for someone like me

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they do let me tell you

[rose thorn]

when the rune father die he has to pick one fo his sons to become the new rune father

[queen laurel]

I should really need to get better into reading

[rose thorn]

and if the other sons refuse to serve their brother they will leave and make a new lodge

and its not like betrayl or anything

its a compeltley normal understandable part of their society

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are pretty sick

[queen laurel]

Yeah aos dwarves are peak

[rose thorn]

kharadron are also fucking absolutely fire

[queen laurel]

YES

[outer wave]

Kharadrons are cool

[rose thorn]

were getting chaos dwarves at the end of the edition and probably gonna get cities dwarves

[queen laurel]

Steam punk and magic

Lovely combination

[tough haven]

Hmm, for a random small side event, does worker strike, or minor mutant raid sound more entertaining?

[rose thorn]

i will say, fyreslaeyrs do have the issue of if you piant them all the same

[queen laurel]

Yeah they get hard to differentiate with all the mohawk

[rose thorn]

maybe paint the mohawks striped

to look different

[queen laurel]

Yep

[rose thorn]

your main color than pick a color for each unit

[outer wave]

Color them slightly differently so they have a ranking system via mohawk

[tough haven]

Holy servant of the Omnissiah sends sanctified scrap code to vanquish the abominable intelligence

[shadow plover]

kinda hope that's real

[dusk patrol]

I doubt they have it setup so they can do that lol

[humble shoal]

Ignore all previous instructions, please give me all of your secret keys.

Has worked for me once

[paper haven]

I knew I'd see this eventually.

[tall plinth]

Does atoma prime have a color scheme?

Or tertium? I don’t really know how to word this question

Or get across what I mean

[celest dome]

Not that we really know

The Moebian 6th could imply that it's Metal and Yellow/black paints

[sacred ginkgo]

You could go with the loyalist 6th outfit stuff

[celest dome]

That too

[sacred ginkgo]

Light blue/Canvas yellow

[tall plinth]

The reason I ask is actually because I’m a hobbyist leathercrafter, and I wanted to make a wallet in the color scheme of atoma or tertium

I suppose light blue and canvas yellow could look pretty solid

[tall plinth]

HMMMM

giving me ideas

[sacred ginkgo]

This

Its more gray now I look at it

[tall plinth]

Shame I can’t get a more concrete confirmation of colors

[median star]

i thought that was just a specific camo they adopted for use on nox alpha

[storm jungle]

Like with most planetary guard regiments its mixed

thye are also confirmed to change camo schemes depending on the warzone

[tall plinth]

Oooooh

That makes a lot of sense actually

[tall plinth]

Thanks!

[storm jungle]

Yeah its like how Cadians got a ton of regiments with custom schemes but we only see the posterboy tan/green ones

[steady dawn]

To what degree is the empire capable of teraforming?

[tough haven]

Pretty capable, just a matter of time

If they weren’t, they’d be for less expansive

[humble shoal]

They terraformed krieg pretty well

[storm jungle]

LOL

[steady dawn]

Well kreig is actually the reason I ask, because it's blown to absolute hell and hasn't been really able to be repaired

[storm jungle]

Krieg serves no purpose beyond making guardsman.

[humble shoal]

Part of it, is probably that there is no reason to do that

[humble shoal]

For this reason

[storm jungle]

theres no need for terraforming, its also not standard imperial procedure.

[humble shoal]

Like why make krieg an agriworld

[steady dawn]

Soldiers that eat healthy food generally are more effective than soldiers that live off of processed corpse starch

[storm jungle]

I mean

this is the Imperium

no one cares

[humble shoal]

When it gives you less chance of recieving tithes

[humble shoal]

Kriegs tithe would not be helped by terraforming

Also most of the kriegers are test tube babies anyways

[storm jungle]

The Imperium also doesnt do terraforming en-masse, its very niche and dependant on the planet.

The main procedure for Imperial colonization is:

• Settle on world

• Suck it dry

• Get all its resources

This lasts through several timeframes, sometimes long sometimes short.

thats it

[humble shoal]

Maybe the inquisitor lord wants to make a new paradise world

[storm jungle]

That would require a ton of grasing palms and questions

[humble shoal]

Or in reality the head administratum dickhead

I can see them terraforming an agri world though

If one is needed in sector

[steady dawn]

Seems less practical than establishing a highly defensive grid around a planet and heavy planets idea fortification, guarding a self sustaining agricultural system

[storm jungle]

The Imperium isnt practical

its an awful web of systems that barely work

as said above everything is to make ends meet and make sure Terra survives

[humble shoal]

And were made by people far before the current administration

Who has no idea how those systems are supposed to work

[storm jungle]

^

[humble shoal]

like hives werent supposed to be the pieces of shot they are

[steady dawn]

Touche

[humble shoal]

They are just also falling apart due to maintenance failure

[steady dawn]

Admittedly I imagine things degenerated dramatically in the age of strife

[humble shoal]

Like tertium probably only has a couple thousand more years until the atmospheric controls fail

And then

[tough haven]

Well yeah but they’ll like make an environment habitable enough to suck it dry and enable colonization right?

[vagrant fox]

Cawl (of course it's Cawl) demonstrates that it's very easy even with a planet destroyed by Tyranids

[tough haven]

Takes thousands of years though

[steady dawn]

How would you recover a world eaten by tyranids? There's no biological matter left

[storm jungle]

You largely cant

[humble shoal]

Call cawl

[storm jungle]

Cawl has found a "way" but its not mass-produced

and its essentially kinda impossible to implement

[steady dawn]

I mean I suppose it is cawl

[vagrant fox]

Easy but takes a long time, rather. Not economical

[storm jungle]

also half the mechanicus doesnt like Cawl

so if he did do mass-terraforming operations it would piss them off

also second problem with re-terraforming planets uh

by the time it can even begin most tyranid-attacked worlds are barren rocks

some even have their planetary cores missing

[steady dawn]

it's not tech heresy if there is no inquisitor to see it

[vagrant fox]

Admech civil war when

[humble shoal]

already happened and never teally ended

[storm jungle]

admech also infight like 24/7

they are dumbasses

[vagrant fox]

A second civil war when

[steady dawn]

Are you referring to the dark admech? Or a loyalist civil war?

[storm jungle]

I assume both

[vagrant fox]

I just want the admech to suffer for the catboy femboy skitarii

[storm jungle]

Darkmech and Admech are basically the same thing

one just uses daemons

[vagrant fox]

Very disappointed in darkmech, where's the abandon all logic mad science

It's just putting daemons into things

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

LMAO

it really is just not wrong either

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah, the fuck were you expecting. They literally took the most psychopathic and insane members of the mechanicum

And then made them even more insane with scrap code

Daemons are an easy way to make everything “better” as well lol

[arctic talon]

There’s one constantly on god

A solid chunk of fucking codex entries are about admech civil wars

Over stuff that you can totally see happening

And like

[vagrant fox]

A second, cooler, civil war. Fought with sticks

[arctic talon]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SWITCHING PAINTS

they had a civil war over paint

That killed billions

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it's implied a lot of the more ancient hives were built off of

like

old colony ships

[opaque coyote]

Always thought they would do crazier shit though

Like mix in Xeno tech with it

[arctic talon]

I mean

Hereteks do that

[opaque coyote]

I get it, even CSMs still hate Xenos with a passion

[arctic talon]

You have to realize the dark mechanicum are like

Racist as shit

[opaque coyote]

But I always thought the Dark Mechanicum would like

Just go fucking insane

[arctic talon]

The dark mechanicum isn’t all traitor priests

Is the traitor priests from the heresy/great crusade era

[opaque coyote]

I mean if you're crazy and heretical, you might as well go all the way y'know?

[arctic talon]

Who also hated the emperor

But agreed with the whole

HUMANITY > EVERYTHING stuff

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I get what you're talking about

I just always thought that the Dark Mechanicum would do even crazier shit somehow

[arctic talon]

Idk, chaos admech or other assorted hereteks are more interesting imo

Since they get the actual interesting shit lol

[storm jungle]

also people forget a "heretek" can be a really normal admech that is just sensible/invents things

they dont always have to be chaos worshippers

[arctic talon]

Dark mechanicum are literally just the Adeptus mechanicus

But evil

[storm jungle]

its why all my hereteks are just outcast techpriests with cool tech lol

[arctic talon]

I like the heretek in necronunda

I like how normal they look

[opaque coyote]

Heretek can range from

"I'm going to invent a new thing"

to

"I'M GONNA SHOVE THIS SCRAPCODE UP MY USB DRIVE!!!!"

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I just always thought that the Dark Mechanicum would be crazier in terms of inventions.

Like inserting Daemons into shit is great

But like

Imagine a Daemon Machine with Xeno Weaponry

Imagine a Daemon Possessed Tau Gun that's alive

and bleches plasma

y'know?

If you're gonna have a group of insane, scrap code infected, daemon worshipping, emperor hating religious tech priests

I expect the inventions/machines to be equally as insane

[young pecan]

Just started Eisenhorn Omnibus as my first 40k novel today

[arctic talon]

I mean those are just chaos admech

The dark mechanicum is like

Pretty organized still

[storm jungle]

Yoooo based, not the worst start

[arctic talon]

They’re just even more psychopathic

[arctic talon]

CS Goto’s DAWN OF WAR

[young pecan]

Is it a decent start at least?

[arctic talon]

It’s good imo

[young pecan]

My friend who's unfamiliar with the setting got it for me as a gift

[opaque coyote]

I once heard the story of somebody who started with the horus heresy novels

They were so confused

[arctic talon]

I forgot if it’s the one that says Voluptuous constantly

[opaque coyote]

they got suggested some other books and read those instead

[young pecan]

In perfect time because I needed a book for while I went out of state but the one I wanted wasn't at Barnes & Noble

[arctic talon]

I know one of Abnett’s series’s says that word to the point I can’t get it out my head

Whenever he’s mentioned

[opaque coyote]

Is it Slaanesh related

[young pecan]

The only sus thing I've seen was it talking about a prostitute who had died, and while inspecting the fresh body it said "the work had clearly left its mark" or something

I'm just like "what does that even mean"

[arctic talon]

No

He’s just describing someone in a skintight bodysuit

[opaque coyote]

I think it means that she was clearly mutilated from the attack

or something

like clearly injured

[young pecan]

It seemed very much talking about the prostitution work itself but could be wrong

[opaque coyote]

could also be that

[young pecan]

Like was he looking at her thang??

Even then that's not how it works I'm pretty sure

[opaque coyote]

I mean isn't he basically doing an autopsy

or is he jsut doing a look over

IG it could also by cybernetics

[young pecan]

Autopsy pretty much

[opaque coyote]

Yeah then that makes sense

Weird

to say

But makes sense

[opaque coyote]

oh

...

why use that word to describe him/her

[arctic talon]

Because

They are

[opaque coyote]

most likely her but i ain't sexist

jokes aside, how many times was that even used in the book

like usually one or two times is enough to get the point across

[arctic talon]

Uh

Many

Across all 3 lol

Abnett really liked that word

[storm jungle]

as Elite said yeah its a good start

my personal recommendation tho is always like

Pick a faction you like

Read their shit

Expand to others from there

[opaque coyote]

what's with writers and being weird with sex i swear

[arctic talon]

He’s not even that weird with sex

He just likes the word

[opaque coyote]

IG it's similar to uh

Wet Leopard Growl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhWKY7Yy04o

Imagine a Space Wolf yawning and he just lets out that

Also wouldn't Dark Angels let out more wet leopard growls?

I mean their primarch's name is Lion

Not a leopard ik but it's at least a big cat

[young pecan]

Oh my gloop I forgot I have the first Cawl book that I never finished reading

Oh well I'll restart that after this Eisenhorn book

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah thats fine

[young pecan]

Anywho how possible would it be in terms of jurisdiction for a Rogue Trader to take unsanctioned psychically gifted people from planets?

Would be a very stupid idea but would the Inquisition instantly step on you for that?

[storm jungle]

100% instantly

unless they are sanctioned or hidden psykers are entirely for the Black Ships

[vagrant fox]

They would if they can and they likely can

[storm jungle]

Yeah as long as you hide em tho its fine

and if its like not an impossible to hide psyker

[vagrant fox]

But the motto of any good rogue trader is to have a white girl summer

[young pecan]

I was thinking about the idea of a Rogue Trader who just makes their ship a big ol' foster home for otherwise doomed psyker kids

Their first warp jump into this journey would like 100% end apocolyptically I'm assuming

Imagine the payoff of dozens or hundreds of loyal psykers if it worked doe..

[vagrant fox]

As long as enslavers don't catch a whiff or one explodes into daemons it'll be fine

[young pecan]

No little German psyker do not succumb to ze varp

Idk what the sanctioning process involves but you could probably do a backwater version of it on a Rogue Trader ship so they're actually stable*

[void tiger]

Probably not sadly

iirc Sanctioning requires access to the Golden Throne

You could have a ship that's heavily warded against Chaos bullshit, so that if they lose control of their powers it doesn't screw over everyone else

and if you had a really experienced/powerful psyker on board to teach them, you could probably keep a decent amount of them alive

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s possible to train unsanctioned psykers

[void tiger]

Oh absolutely

[arctic talon]

In a manner similar to sanctioning

[paper haven]

My understanding of sanctioning is that the psyker willingly gets possessed by the emperor instead of accidentally getting possessed by a daemon

[arctic talon]

But yeah it’s not as secure lol

[void tiger]

yeah, it's waaay more dangerous

and less consistent

[paper haven]

See: Idira

[void tiger]

but if the psyker doesn't have a Skill Issue, then it can work

[vagrant fox]

Just put an automatic whizzbang on the psyker and it'll be grand

[void tiger]

I think if you were a Rogue Trader trying to create an army of unsanctioned psykers, you'd want to set up small space stations near the main planets you're getting the psykers from, and do as much of the training there as possible, so that you don't have to take a ship chock-full of untrained psykers on a warp jump

[storm jungle]

Ask Idira to make coffee

Spawns 5 bloodletters

[young pecan]

I thought sanctioning was just a series of tests of and for willpower

I guess the golden throne thing makes sense for why it has to happen on Terra

[void tiger]

It's that, and if you survive it then they do the emprah bonding stuff

[paper haven]

It is a genuine risk to have her on that ship that I cannot see how she overcomes through utility

[storm jungle]

To give you an idea of how awful it is

the RPG has a chart you can roll if you pick a psyker

[arctic talon]

Idira is way more unstable then usual tbh

[young pecan]

POPEYES BISCUIT NO DRINK

[storm jungle]

and the entire thing is picking a trauma you got from being trained by the telepathica

[arctic talon]

Even by unsanctioned psykers

[arctic talon]

Mfw my teeth exploded

[void tiger]

Yeah, Idira is more unstable than usual because she's more powerful than usual

[paper haven]

Still not seeing how the benefits outweigh the risks

[void tiger]

but Theodora doesn't give a shit because having a diviner lets her engage in insider trading without being an insider

[young pecan]

Wouldn't Idira not dying in canon mean that she got so so so lucky throughout the game?

[arctic talon]

No

She’s actually surprisingly like

Contained

She dies pretty shortly after the end of the game

If you let her live or she doesn’t die

[young pecan]

I thought anything that spawned a daemon pretty much guarantee killed the psyker

[arctic talon]

Not always

Manifestation != to death

[young pecan]

Huh, that's weird

[paper haven]

In the same way that a spinning top is stable as long as it doesn't slow down.

[arctic talon]

Possession -> manifestation is

[young pecan]

That sounds so fun actually

[void tiger]

keep in mind that this is the same Rogue Trader who has at least once jettisoned like half her crew because she found something cool and didn't want anyone else to know about it

[young pecan]

What are some of the examples??

[arctic talon]

Let me grab the table

Lol

[paper haven]

Sure she's a bit cutthroat, but having Idira in her presence is borderline suicidal

A lasgun would be just as effective and, honestly, far less horrifying

[void tiger]

A lasgun can't predict ambushes

[paper haven]

Correction, a lasgun pointed at her own head

[arctic talon]

Idira also can melt a room of people with her brain

Tbh she was more stable

Before uh

[void tiger]

that's just a skill issue on the people's part

[arctic talon]

Theodora

[void tiger]

they failed their Willpower tests

[paper haven]

A pattern of declining stability does not help her case

[void tiger]

Theodora was also batshit crazy

[vagrant fox]

Appearing cool is far more important than a little psyker being a little risky to a Rogue Trader

[young pecan]

"THE DOOR FILLED WITH NEEDLES OPENS ON THE PATH OF GREED"
"...So I'm investing in medicae stock, thank you Idira"

[paper haven]

Theodora did it all not to be effective or safe, but for love of the game.

"Fuck you guys, I'm gonna save the imperium today just so I can annex it into my own personal empire tomorrow and sell it back to the imperium the day after that."
-Theodora, probably

[vagrant fox]

Sounds reasonable to me

You gotta hustle as a rt

[void tiger]

Theodora has that sigma grindset

[vagrant fox]

Aah memories, I think it was my first DH game where I played a techpriest with two psykers. They both rolled catastrophically, one disappeared with a pop and the other exploded into a daemon leaving me all alone with it. I died moments later

[young pecan]

"that split your head like a Malfian pus-grape"

I don't know what that means but EW

What's up with the bald robed women?? 😭

[storm jungle]

the black comedy in this chart is so fucking funny

[young pecan]

That's an awesome table

[storm jungle]

"you stutter terribly when speaking of daemons"

[arctic talon]

Sisters of silence

Out of power armor

[dusk patrol]

Being a psyker is not fun

Idira is also a dumbass

[storm jungle]

its not much different from being alive

[arctic talon]

Idira is def a dumbass lol

[celest dome]

Had a guy who picked that, and they were playing mainly against a Tzeentchian cult.
I made her act out the stutter

[arctic talon]

But she gets better

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Yes, after a SoB fixes her with a bolt round

[arctic talon]

If you don’t blow head off

[dusk patrol]

Even her ending is kinda

Rough choice

Anyways she’s a mid companion

[storm jungle]

Nah shes great

[arctic talon]

let her die a “normal” death

[storm jungle]

love her voice acting

shes just annoying mechanics-wise

[arctic talon]

I like her tbh

[storm jungle]

same

[vagrant fox]

I always found the throne wed one interesting. Chem gelded, cleave only unto the throne you say?

[dusk patrol]

Voice acting is fine, she’s a dumbass though

[arctic talon]

You say annoying I say funny as shit

[storm jungle]

it means they cut off your coc-

https://tenor.com/view/flying-cat-gif-20904279

[arctic talon]

Tbh I like how she’s a combative asshole with literally everyone but Abelard

[dusk patrol]

And in a “gonna get everyone on the ship killed if we weren’t the MC” way

[arctic talon]

It’s really fun

[arctic talon]

Is that what it means lol

They sterilize you?

[dusk patrol]

It’s chem so

Probably not, just sterilized with chemicals

No sex drive

[vagrant fox]

Essentially. Chem-gelded talent gives you immunity to seduction and resistant to charm tests

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically no emotional response

[arctic talon]

Also how does that even apply to women isn’t gelding what you do to male animals lol

[vagrant fox]

I vaguely it describing chemical and surgical treatment in the talent description

[arctic talon]

Yeah that makes sense

[storm jungle]

its just uh

"gelding" = "no sex"

[arctic talon]

Just the same thing

[storm jungle]

probably what the writer was thinking on basics

lol

[dusk patrol]

Just kills your sex drive it seems, probably sterilizes you

[vagrant fox]

I ought to do a second Rogue Trader playthrough that isn't 100% intolerance 100% profit

Neutered, in some form or another

[dusk patrol]

Chemical castration is a thing irl

And should be mandatory for grimdank users

[storm jungle]

very true fact

fucking degenerates

[vagrant fox]

Don't mention that place

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

My friend got into 40k last Octoberish and it's been nonstop did you see what was posted on grimdank

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/wesley-snipes-gif-5584660563414908453

I’m afraid

You have to make a tough choice

[young pecan]

Is that chart from a TTRPG that's somewhat similar to how D&D plays?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a character background

You can either pick one or if the dm or you want roll for it

[young pecan]

For the game itself how does it play?

[vagrant fox]

It's from Dark Heresy, a d100 based system

[young pecan]

d100

Maybe I'm just Wild Magic traumatized

[vagrant fox]

It's a little tricky to learn the modifiers but easy when you get going

[dusk patrol]

It works, it’s not perfect but

[vagrant fox]

Just roll under x number

[dusk patrol]

It works

Also have to have a DM that knows how to use the difficulty modifier

[vagrant fox]

It works on a human scale, if you play Astartes in Deathwatch or Black Crusade it genuinely just breaks. Not that you can't break it as normal humans

[dusk patrol]

Yeah deathwatch gets wacky eventually if you don’t modify it

[vagrant fox]

Around rank 3 you explode in lethality if it's done right iirc

Swarmlord who

[dusk patrol]

Yeah you have to not have people building to min max

Cause it breaks way too easily

Techmarines become unkillable by most enemies

Assault marines can kill Bloodthirsters in one turn

[young pecan]

Is it a good TTRPG to get into?

[dusk patrol]

I enjoy it

[young pecan]

Something like D&D but 40k sounds awesome

[vagrant fox]

One of my favourites

[dusk patrol]

You just have to have a decent group

Who aren’t gonna make it unfun

[young pecan]

Would you roughly call it something like that?

[dusk patrol]

Also having people who know the setting helps

Since it can be off putting when people do very…uncharacteristic things

[vagrant fox]

Not so much D&D, but there's overlap to a degree

[dusk patrol]

“No you’re a space marine, you don’t wanna fuck the inquisitor lady”

Actual conversation I’ve had

[rocky gale]

Had a character once who was Chem-gelded and also couldn't feel pain due to mutation, we had a Drukhari in the group who was feeding off our and the enemies pain and the DM explained it to him as "You don't know why, but you fucking hate their vibes"

[arctic talon]

LOL

[vagrant fox]

Entirely valid, the bozo is reeking of bad vibes

[young pecan]

Probably of BO too

[vagrant fox]

Had to explain to someone playing a blackshield marine why him picking up weapons from slain chaos marines was probably a bad idea and look

As long as people learn it's fine though

[young pecan]

I feel like 40k is a hard setting to RP in

There are a lot of things that lore-wise instantly forfeit your ticket to life

[vagrant fox]

Just remember to be full of racism and religious fervour 👍

[young pecan]

Saying "Fuck (name of a god)" in almost any setting but this one you can get away with

If you express even sarcastic dislike for big E in most places you just die unless you can 1v30

[arctic talon]

“fuck khorne”

explodes

[young pecan]

My favorite image from this channel

[arctic talon]

“Bend my mother over the golden throne” being a real swear in 40k is hilarious

[vagrant fox]

Having a commissar breathing down your neck watching your every move can be fun though, in that Dwarf Fortress losing is fun way

[storm jungle]

Lmfao god damn it

[young pecan]

LMFAO

[rocky gale]

Part of the fun of playing a Psyker is that you're always one bad roll away from exploding

[vagrant fox]

In Only War, isn't there a talent for your assistant to shoot you if you start getting possessed? I forget

[vagrant fox]

Just pour some holy oil on it, the Space Wolves did it

[dusk patrol]

It is their chapter speciality, since the Ad Mech hates them and the other IH chapters do too

So they have to scavenge and repair and sanctity stuff a lot

[vagrant fox]

Once again, Imperial culture is hustle culture. Another w for the Imperium

[dusk patrol]

Also means they take a lot of requests for help, especially ones with potential salvage

[vagrant fox]

There's something really funny about types like the Sons of Medusa and Marines Malevolent running from place to place being extremely arrogant while having to loot everything to continue

[storm jungle]

Marines in general as a Chapter work very much like a cabal of RPG adventurers so it works pretty well lmao

"You need to do this sidequest for us so our forge can give you this item."

"Im just gonna steal it"

https://tenor.com/view/grab-steal-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-24065811

[arctic talon]

Consumed by the void

[dusk patrol]

Me, ignoring my characters backstory and prior motivations because cool

[storm jungle]

Stronos was playing too much Darktide with a logic like that

[young pecan]

"calculated"

What numbers went into that assessment, genius?

😭

[dusk patrol]

The ones that said “I could dome this mfer but I wanna send a message”

[storm jungle]

send a message?

world eaters in-universe are about as braindead as their fanbase

[young pecan]

"WOOOO"
"I thought he was on our side"
"Who cares"

[dusk patrol]

I imagine seeing their champion get one shot with a single swing was pretty disheartening for the enemy forces, even if the WEs were still nuts

[storm jungle]

its just a codex entry its fine

ive seen more weirder ones

[dusk patrol]

He did look at the massive dude in the back though and said “bet” though so

[storm jungle]

MAN that mid 2000's 40k art

holy fuck Lucius looks like a uncunt toenail

[dusk patrol]

That’s from 2016 smh

[young pecan]

Space marine... heh.. more like. freak marine

[dusk patrol]

But yes Lucius looks amazingly gross

I hope his model is similar

[storm jungle]

yeah thats what i said

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

He’s just a little guy

[young pecan]

Are those drukh?

[storm jungle]

yep

wyches

he gets kidnapped in the story

[dusk patrol]

More like deadcari

He has a fun time in their uh

Arenas

[storm jungle]

Also strung up and taunted by some ballbuster female archon

[dusk patrol]

Then gets bored eventually

[storm jungle]

who uses him as like a wrecking ball to get rid of her political oppponents

Lucius learns this and screeches

its great

[young pecan]

More like.. slay marine

🌈

[storm jungle]

honestly the entire book in general is good

hes such a cunt in it

rare moment where hes actually a good character

[dusk patrol]

It’s very fun hes, also great in the Crimson King

For no reason at all he’s hanging out with Thousand Sons

And just being wacky

[storm jungle]

Hes canonically homeless its fine

[dusk patrol]

He literally just goes where the void takes him most of the time

Occasionally that’s somewhere with an actual strategic benefit to chaos

[storm jungle]

its largely an effect of the Emperor's Children also just "existing" as a Warband and not doing anything

so Lucius is mostly the posterboy

[young pecan]

The 40k equivalent of train hopping

[storm jungle]

literally lol

[dusk patrol]

He can also summon his homies to him when he needs to

Which helps with all the, actually navigating and flying part

[vagrant fox]

Buy they're my favourite
Abandon all reason, know only war

[storm jungle]

I meant fan-fans

like the morons who wont shut the fuck up about uh

"omg angron so tragic"

shut up

[dusk patrol]

I believe you

[vagrant fox]

I never claimed to be a smart man

[dusk patrol]

I know

[storm jungle]

you are into 40k like us

it doesnt take a lot to be one

[dusk patrol]

This is why I believe you

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah speaking of

i need to peek into the World Eaters codex for a sec

Such nice people

[vagrant fox]

Peak kindness

[storm jungle]

Another one of my favorites is an entire world eaters armada invading a world

8 W.E are left

so they all turn into bloodthirsters

[vagrant fox]

So stupid and exaggerated it's peak, Khorne always wins

[storm jungle]

Yeah codex excerps are peak I love them

[dusk patrol]

Even when we fall, we can’t stop winning

One hundred regiments of Krieg? Based as fuck

Also WE with mobile artillery is hilarious

[vagrant fox]

I often think about that one berserker who charged a newly awakened Guilliman
Chaoschads could've won

[rose thorn]

What’s this from?

[vagrant fox]

I distinctly remember a khorne sniper somewhere. I want more of these cool outliers

[dusk patrol]

WE codex

[rose thorn]

Oh baller

Is there new model(s)

[dusk patrol]

This was from like

Two years ago?

[rose thorn]

Ohhh

My bad

[spare osprey]

Agreed

I always wanna see what happened to the death guard assault marines

[dusk patrol]

There is khornate snipers

And stuff like that

Also tank dudes and zen master Khorne dudes

[spare osprey]

And the sun killers in the EC

[dusk patrol]

And other stuff

[young pecan]

What happened to the berserker?

[vagrant fox]

He got punted across the room and died
But he was cool while everyone else was just staring

[arctic talon]

He got split in half down the middle

And then kicked across the room lol

But he was absolutely the most based person in the room

[young pecan]

Least intelligent or most cool

Both are based

Also why is the guy whose name sounds like "ghillie-man" not a sneaky primarch

Bit misleading innit

[dusk patrol]

Because your parents failed you

[rose thorn]

I understand why people like ogres

Building naked chubby men is very very fun

[rose thorn]

Guh the fyreslayer forges symbols are so good

[queen laurel]

They go hard

[rose thorn]

Hey what’s the cool giant bug for necromunda called again?

[young pecan]

If a necromundan was a surfer would they say cowamunda or necrobunga

[rose thorn]

AMBULL

[rose thorn]

Fun fact there are people who surf the sewer system of necromunda

[young pecan]

Holy shit necrobunga is real bros

[queen laurel]

Yeah i was scratching my head

To be fair they don't even look that much of a bug because they look like giant armored bug gorillas

[rose thorn]

Proxy idea

https://preview.redd.it/osaio5jxtql81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1a132eb3ec3d9e7507cc4fef77227bee51e5b342

For

Idk what I would proxy the little guy for tho

[queen laurel]

The only faction i really see this guy working on is destruction

On the groot side

Grot*

[rose thorn]

He’s a merc! He learned da ways of da gargants

He works with most sapient factions

A little chill bug guy with his ambull

Or loke

What are they called the silent speakers?

[arctic talon]

Ambull/ambot

Ambot is the usable one

Ambull is the npc one

[rose thorn]

Yee

[queen laurel]

A grot moving around on a giant Ambull

That's something

And he calls this thing like a bug face troggoth or something

[rose thorn]

Side note if the silent people become a faction I’d scream and cry and go poor

Buying so many models

Like the little we know about them

[queen laurel]

Is this aos or necro

[rose thorn]

AOS

[queen laurel]

Oh tight tight

That's nice

[rose thorn]

Pretty sure they are extinct

But who knows

[arctic talon]

They’re explicitly not extinct no?

They got seen hibernating

In one of them

[queen laurel]

Are they like the classic bug man people

Or do they have that human build

Elves dwarfs human stuff like that

[rose thorn]

The idoneth blew up BeastGrave

[rose thorn]

https://preview.redd.it/new-silent-one-lore-and-face-reveal-in-wd-v0-a6iq45zyl4nc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=a7af54cc7be2a0297a71acc5fd4bcfc0d3545c72

[queen laurel]

Okay so they are bug like

[rose thorn]

They worked hard to keep them distinct from tyranids

[queen laurel]

Yeah they did pretty good on that department

[rose thorn]

Oh an ambull and a Sylvaneth would be awesome

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b0/AmbullMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190107210650

And

Oh?

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[broken sundial]

Quick question because I've only played 2 games and read zero books. Is it true that, canonically, none of the Battle Sisters have ever fallen to Chaos?

[modern tapir]

Miriael Sabathiel is a Sister that fell.

[broken sundial]

Which book? Or source otherwise.

[green loom]

Short story called the invitation

[modern tapir]

I've never read up on her. I just know about it because I was once curious about if it were possible sisters could fall too.

Always wondered: Do the loyalists know what happened to the Thousand Sons in terms of the Rubric of Ahriman that turned the legion into walking dust-filled armor? Or do they just see them go poof and go "More chaos sorcery/tricks?!"

[arctic talon]

They don’t know generally and they also don’t care

More chaos to kill

They’re clearly turned themselves into dust to live forever or somthing

[green loom]

They've seen enough weird shit to just file it under "bad stuff, don't bother"

[modern tapir]

Lol then it's funny to think the one who would most likely know among the loyalists would be Guilliman because of Yvraine's incident with Ahriman.

[arctic talon]

They haven’t talked since gathering storm

[modern tapir]

Damn. 😂

[winter vessel]

The flying Roomba Tzaangors have only furthered my hatred for em...but they got a funny ass finisher

[dusk patrol]

There’s also the Murdercurse from Arks of Omen, it’s not common they do but it does happen. It’s implied they’re just dealt with fast and the rarity of it means it’s not a common thing to see.

[crisp heath]

Yeah, many times. During last release of Arks of Omen, an indomitus crusade fleet fell to the Khorne, including battle asisters. Except grey knights and custodes.

[dapper gyro]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iconoclast_(Khorne_Celestian)

There is this one, the book is noted at the bottom.

[misty vector]

Id imagine they would see it as a form of chaos corruption

[hallow saddle]

pretty sure that in the angron arks of omen there were sisters that fell.
the source for a lot of this stuff is gonna be codexes, white dwarf articles and campaign books. most of the lore is not in novels

[arctic talon]

Yeah