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Yeah its ALWAYS easily answerable questions.
or some dumbass primarch question
"did ferrus and fulgrim have gay sex"
READ THE WIKI
And some dingus just says something where they’re completely wrong with complete confidence
And it gets upvoted cause no one reads
And all the fucking meme answers
Gaaaaahh
Literally any post on Ferrus
“He lost his head Bahaahahahaahaha”
“I am very funny and original”
Yeah theres literally ZERO room for any kind of conversation.
the top posts are always braindead-ass replies
Does Turkey even celebrate Christmas? I imagine not at the same level as more western countries.
Yeah nah its only "celebrate" in the capitalist fashion where its usually buying gifts/getting together to have fun etc
more or less how some other countries do it since it makes money for the brands etc
any excuse to partaaayyy
She didn’t get servitorized, she got an even shittier fate lmao, she got turned into a tech thrall
In any case yeah the mechanicus absolutely just servitorizes random people
I’m not sure why this is even a question lol
Like motherfucker you have the codex
You literally have another excerpt with the mass servitorization of refugees earlier
Yeah but reading
This guy is literally dumber then fuck
as me and him said above its because these braindead fucks dont read lol
It’s impressive how much people try to whitewash the imperium mentally sometimes
EMBRACE BEING EVIL COWARD
WAS LITERALLY about to say
i still think the Tithes Episode 1 incident is the funniest
"wow space marines are acting asshole'ish??? How can this be with the wholesome chungus Salamander!"
nah episode 3 is worse
People said episode 3 made no sense
For some reason
Nah the administratum would do that shit lol
it's canonized lol
Yeah the psyker usage has been a contorversial thing for awhile, its semi-recent
Some of the gellar fields have them
Some of them don’t
It’s dependium on the model
Is the explanation in universe
In any case I think it’s cool
Another thing i love with it is how people that upload clips of the episode always put up the "heroic" fighting stuff but none of the Imperial fuckups like asking for the ammunition back lmao
I showed the episode to my guard fan friend and he was just devastated and speechless for like 5m after the episode
It really is
people that keep saying the Imperium is grimderp/doesnt make sensible decisions every much just does not understand how this setting works lol
the ending is even better
"we got too much cargo on the platform, just destroy it, we dont care anymore"
💀
setting has to work somehow, logistically
It does and does not work. Which is the point.
just cuz we see only the worst parts doesn't mean they're the norm
(still have yet to see it)
lol
It’s just them fucking up ammo storage
(only saw clips because people were mad about femstodes)
They sent too much to one place
OH THAT LMAO
Guard hating the Munitorum/Administratum is also like a running gag in-universe
Like yeah this seems in line
because logistics even IRL are terrible
the entire reason gulf war marines got woodland camo in the desert is due to a logistics error iirc 💀
Yeah its pretty much what 40k is parodying
just on a more nightmarish scale
💀
Me when im sent to the wrong warzone due to a numerical error
They made you stick out lol
The marines just got stuck with green and blue for a solid chunk lol
the entirety of the watcher in the rain twist
yeah that is one of my favs
the best part is theres no ulterior motive
she really was just a psychopath broken by the system
Dkok when they’re sent to the warzone that’s inside a hive and is impossible to use artillery in

average Death Korps of Kringe L
This happens in vigilus btw
They’re stuck inside a really confined portion of the hive the entire time
As an artillery regiment
They get fucking hacked to death by orks lol

and made tunnels?
With mostly flamers for killing orks
And no vehicle support aside from drilling vehicles
Because they’re a hive fighting regiment
They got overrun by chaos space marines and cultists
10/10
Administratum fucked up and wiped out 4 regiments at once
Yeah but still it’s hilarious
And it’s pretty realistic lol
It’s the same planet, they just got sent to the wrong part of the same planet lol
It is
the deadliest enemy in the galaxy is imperial bureaucracy
On the note of Imperial bureaucracy, the sad thing is
If we go by slightly earlier Guard lore (circa 7th/8th Guard Codex)
Those situations are NOT considered mistakes
Instead, it is because it is standard practice for Administratum to consider any and all Guard Regiments to be exactly interchangeable with each other on a 1:1 effectiveness scale, regardless of specialisation or war zone, on a logistical scale
Yes you can imagine how fucked that got.
Or will get.
Lets send the catechan to an ice world it will be funny
The opposite has canonically happened.
Ciaphas Cain’s Valhallan regiment got sent to a desert world at one point.
heh
Though admittedly the novel doesn’t explicitly state it was a mistake
So it was feasible they were the closest asset around.
being any kind of different is very dangerous in the imperium
safer to have your regiment be one modeled after cadians
Carry the Emperor's Will across the stars
no
but where exactly in the chest?
if you are talking about their cock and balls its not mentioned 
ah
Neck and chest, somewhere
I vaguely recall somewhere near/between the hearts but who knows
The gene seed is such a weird concept
Put this little ball in a guy to make him grow organs and beef up and just uhhh yeah just take it out when he dies
Very eco-friendly, reduce reuse recycle or whatever
Always seems to be the base of the neck
Isnt geneseed just a bunch of varied organs that are added into a Space Marine?
So it would mostly be the chest
Oh Dilara was talking about it lmao
Nah it’s one in particular
Weird lil orb
Ahhhh
Its weird because in Pariah Nexus the medic litereally cuts into the guy's chest too
and like uses the drill and stuff
I ASSUME they use the neck as an extraction point since it goes around the rib-wall
Would make sense
especially since both of these guys also dont have drills
oh wait he has one on his backpack
ish
God I love and hate the rib wall
Geneseed either refers to the whole lot of organs or just the progenoid glands depending on nothing, for some reason
Add it to the list
Sigh and adds to a list of greivances of 40k lore
Isn't the neck progenoid usually harvested when it matures and then the chest one when the lad dies?
I want to find a book about the catachan jungle fighters, anyone know if there are any
God damn!
They're in Pandorax, not that I recommend reading Pandorax
The most recent ones are Deathworlder and Catachan Devil
super creatively named I know
(also click on the picks to see the books fully, fucking discord)

I hope the main character is named something edgy for both of those novels
Like Grimm Deathworlder
Or John Catachan
Marcus Deathslayer
GOD
My slarbo
WULF KHAN
Catachan Devil's name is Haskell 'Hell Fist" Aldalon
WHY ISNT HIS BOOK CALLED HELL FIST?
That would've been a relatively more creative name than Catachan Devil
YEAH THATS WHY I HATE IT
Also fucking
- Deathworld (the book)
- Deathworlder (the book)
These guys' hands make me anxious
seriously who the fuck names these things
And I'm not even afraid of needles
Sequel: Deathworlderer
GOD 💀
Deathworldest
i hate needles and i hate that image
😭
terrible
Imagine getting your shots on a dirty ass battlefield
Nah nah nah
I wouldnt be surprised by the amount of death coming from 40k tetanus
World of death
Ik how GW works in and out
Next one after that: Death of World
lolol
Weath of dorld
STOP THIS
Has a secret twin brother who is the antagonist of the book his name is KULF WHAN
you joke but thats not a bad name lmao
especially since most names in 40k are made up sci-fi usually
Why cant they just be based off vague mythological references
They do it a few times
Just keep doing that
Or at least for some characters I guess Idk
He too had a secret twin brother named GULF BUAN
Who then had a son NAMED FULK HAWN
Who had a grandson named JULK JUAN
It’s genuine whiplash when you go from characters like glup shitto
To a fuckin space marine named Obadiah
its so fucking funny
Star Wars meme
I love Glup Shitto
But does Glup shitto love you
Obadiah, “whose death was not an easy one”
Like you’re fuckin with me
my favourite part of the New Trilogy was when Glup appeared and Shitto’d all over the place.
executed for heresy
this looks like a fucking typo
Heh
Of the famous Hrakon Campaign yes
My favourite “40k-era-Englishfication” name has to be…
…Alizabeth.
Just change a letter, and presto.
Doesn’t actually sound half bad and still works.
LOL
Y’know the key supporter of Nova Terra Interregnum
I actually dont hate this
Its just Alisa mixed with Beth
For my almost-never-to-be-written 40k fanfic, I invented the names of Ravion (male) and Anarette (female)
Anarette as a combo of Anna/Ana and Henrietta.
Yeah that is really good
as a avid 40k homebrewer I ALWAYS advise to either mutate IRL names or make up your own ones, its very fun.
Indeed. Random name generators can help, if they generate a good one or you use them to help name mutations.
I had one Kasrkin guy who I originally named Jon but said thats lame and made him Joncantius, explaining his parents just named him after some minor imperial hero because of course lol
40k era also basically gives you a free hand in taking any name that can be expressed in English letters.
yeee or just any other culture
I eat food, Joncantius, its what I do.
What's the name of the regular dude who still believed in Jesus Christ. He fought alongside the emperor a few times
Ollanius Pious I think
Yea that one sounds familiar
I was thinking of that guy anyway
Actually, do you have a backstory on this minor imperial hero?
Nope it was just a throwaway line to give an excuse to his name
Ah fair fair
For me with names, I used to just mouth words and make noises then try and use that for shit
I dont think its that great to do though
It is funny however
According to Dark Heresy some even name their children after the Primarch’s first name XD. Likely to be noble/high born though.
I imagine it is possible girls are named after various Sisters of Battle.
Lmao yeah and its been shown i nbooks
theres a character in the Creed's daughter novel literally named after a fucking tank
…Baneblade would be such a weird name to answer to lol
I can imagine some noble having 9 kids and naming them all after the loyal primarchs cause it makes him look good
I genuinely
Just steal welsh people’s names
Actually I remember there is a bit of funny name shenanigans in one of the Eisenhorn novels.
IIRC Eisenhorn was discussing something with an enforcer.
Eisenhorn: “What’s your name?”
Enforcer: “Luclas.”
Eisenhorn: “well you are luckless. [For being embroiled in an Inquisitorial investigation]”
Enforcer: “that’s what I said sir.”
explaining the joke: ||read Luclas with a hard “c”||
Yes I can’t recall exact wording of the joke, sue me.
Thats pretty punny tbh
The exchanges of dialogue are Dan's strongest writing
Love the interviews with the old world team asking them about models and stuff they never made and how they have to balance making rules that boomers won’t hate but are balanced
And talking about lore they didn’t write
wdym lore they didn't write
liek they didnt write the setting or teh locations or the factions
i heard the new stuff they did was good\
i just mean the setting
suppose that goes for any current writer for warhammer
Fair
I just mean the general attitude of treating it all as new since the game is back
You're aware half the sculptors still work there 
and the Old World is not what the old Warhammer Fantasy Battles was
it's different game and different age
a couple centuries before the old Fantasy
Also like
Idk why we’d hold people to the standard of “you weren’t there from the start”
That’s such a random purity test
Good points
I literally still cant believe people buy those old as fuck awful models
I guess GW made the right decision with the resurrection bit

It just so weird a game that’s dependent purely on nostalgia
Is it though? The only models that I’ve seen sell are the big boxes and new ones
Id assume so, I got a few friends that are super into the bad outdated models, I resist making fun of them since its kinda just sad to watch but it very much works.
I also say this as a huge WHF fan lol
I very much just dont care for the Old World since its not even an era of Fantasy i like
Them picking Age of the 3 Emperors out of anything else is what lost me honestly
same, I remember most people thinking the same back then too tbf
Ye but I suppose its just the minis that matter atm, the lore is kinda whatever
Yeah they also did an overhaul wih the rulebook for the narrative to make it work with AOS as well which was fun to see
also WHF fans as ever being unbearable cunts complaining about that again lol
I do think there's something special about handsculpted models, granted not all of them look great
Yeah again its why I make no comments on what my friends think lol
I understand the appeal but holy shit some of them look absolutely dogwater
its funny since GW IS making new models for them here and there
its like those dumbasses that kept saying "oh no the gaunt models look great" before a week later the updated gaunts dropped and they just shut up 
like these old chaos chosen are baller
I don’t care about wfb or old world, I think most of the models are literally a scam to sell
100 dolalrs for 5 metal ogres
the rank and file chaos warriors look pretty great too
I think its because its just a guy in armor
the lack of detail makes it work
compared to goofy ass muppet imperials
I agree 50/50.
Again tho business is business, if people wanna buy some of these terrible models for a setting that got rightfully nuked its down to them lmao
ill just stay in the corner 
I always thought chaos warriors looked cool
they are universally cool af
40k has a tendency to portray the chaos worshipping humans as pathetically weak and I sort of hate that
Mostly I'd want to get some of the 2nd edition space marines for cheaper than 15-20€ a piece on ebay..
they take center-stage so humans always become a third-place underling sort of thing
in WHF/AOS its largely always chaos having human champions
so it makes them more badass largely
The new ones are so awesome
AOS renditions are peak
Well sure but imperial guard soldiers get plenty of glory.
Where are the human chaos champions in 40k?
Space marines

Show me a traitor guardsman that can go toe to toe with a space marine
Like, the stormcasts are on the power level of chaos warriors that’s how awesome chaos warriors are
you will stay at your Expendable Fodder position and you wiill like it.
I've seen guardsmen do it
Stormcast are basically Order Chaos Warriors so it works pretty well
Caiphus Cain has done it several times
well yeah but its propaganda and cain has plot armor
Eisenhorn killed a dreadnaught with a broken katana
well yeah hes the main character
and Cain doesn't really go toe to toe with chaos marines, he kinda lucks his way out of each encounter
Melta ex Machina
Jurgen does help a lot
we know he dies of old age essentially to write said memoirs
so hes never in any danger
Either way.
unlike Gaunt for example
whos deffo dead by M41 but we still dont know how their story ends
after 50 IRL years
😭
One of the best cases where a cultist wasn't a complete wimp was in the word bearers book
you will enjoy the Sabbath worlds crusade stories and you will keep enjoying it until Abnett is in a grave
He jumped on top of a sentinel and stabbed the driver.
waaaa I dont want it

same with how I dont wanna wait another 20 years for Bequin 3
2025 will be the year of bequin
I still need to read bequin 1
I know it in my bones

Then 2
Yeah may as well wihle you can
i remember when Bequin 2 came out
and i was like
"Who?"
"OH WAIT RIGHT-"
I'm like 90% sure we will at least hear it is coming soon™️
Yeah I let the eisenhorn situation slip completely out of my mind after Ravenor 3
Wait no I did read Bequin 1
LMAO SEE
Bequin 1 and 2 were so kino, the whole inquisitor saga gets better after every release
damn, we're not planning on getting married ever
Yeah its great
I just want to see the hopefully-not-lackluster ending
that Valdor shit was so funny when it got revealed
I appreciate it when the human chaos forces actually have some utility
I think I'm one of a select few who couldn't get through Bequin. Everything sounds great I just couldn't be bothered 
Which is basically all of Dan's stories which makes the very few space marine appearances that much cooler
Yeah Dan is very good at writing humies, its fun
I almost quit so I can get it
Its just kinda again a bit too overcomplicated lol
it adds since Abnett is a comic-book writer
The only thing I remember about Bequin 1 is that Alpharius is just. There.
I don't even remember the name of the book
to be fair it very much is some random marine but yea
Fucking Alpharious, fucking guy
Alphakillingmyselfhaharius
It's implied that he isn't just a random marine in the like. One sentence he is in
Yeah but thats just classic Alpha Memegion trickery
Alpharius literally has no lore post-30k
Of course, I am always rooting for the good ol' Alpha legion plot twist so I might be biased
I remember an alpha legion war band, not sure what book specifically, when one of their members shout the usual motto, but the rest went like “Fuck off! You’re not him.”
Yeah it was from one of the recent books lol
This is a lie
Like, even The Alpha Legionnaires themselves are getting tired of the same old shit
I mean it has been going on for ten thousand years
Are you even Alpharius?
Really?
Aesthetic wise tho, they are still my favorite Traitor Marines, I like armor with scale designs
I enjoy it when alpha legion marines are written like overworked employees in a corporation.
Like, dude, I just work here.
They look baller, they just spawn the most inane and tedious conspiracies
Yeah what I love is people coping they are loyalists when literally all they do is evil shit, its hilarious
No because you see killing those babies made the imperium stronger
they are also in the Chaos™️ faction with the Chaos™️ codeword for their army for a reason
Lets fix this wall by planting demolitions on it, I'm a repairman
We're helping
Reminds me of the Steven universe meme “He says he’s sorry, guys!!!”
My favorite is them making an entire planet face a rainfall of poisonous warp-snakes
its some cartoon villain shit
But you see so and so is actually alpharious, Omegon is sitting on the golden throne blah blah blah
Admittedly I almost never see the "We're bad guys but secretly good guys" plot idea actually done well
There is almost never a good reason for it and, really, it's mostly just unhelpful
Yeah its just cope like i said
its very possible theres still loyalist AL but the vast majority is very much chaos alligned
There’s a military vet I meet with in my neighborhood, (Gulf War-era), who really fits the bill of an Iron Warrior in the 30k-era. Very good at his job in the motor pool, but got no appreciation from his commanding officers except a few guys in his company.
One book I read was about a loyalist alpha legion warband. None of them were actual alpha legion, though
Military vets have a profound distaste for authority in my experience
Boohoopurabo didn't deserve his legion #facts
The Emperor didn't deserve Persturbo 
IW are my favorite, lore wise.
My favourite of the traitors are the World Eaters who charged Angron, then the berserker who charged Guilliman
Not that the first were traitors
*Peter's Turbo
Before reading the Horus heresy, I thought the ultramarines were lame and iron warriors were as generic as you can get
Turbo the snail but it’s Perty with his shell painted hazard stripes
I still sort of think that but now I actually like them
There are a few among the Blueberries who are alright in my book.
Gadriel being one of em of course
It's funnier my way because pers translates to ass in my language
I just wish my first interest, Imperial Fists, were cool at all
I wanted the Fire Angels to get more love or even in the SM2 Heraldry for the Ultramarine Successors pack. Now I’m coping that they release some sort of Badab Era Chapter Cosmetic pack where the Fire Angels are included
If the Executioners are involved I'm all for it
I also want an official Raptors heraldry for SM2.
So whats the over-under on Rinda coming back as a Chaos Champion or being responsible for allowing Plaguebearers into real space on Atoma?
I'm thinking around a 67% probability.
.... rinda never died
the one in the dark communion was rodin
Every breathe Perturbed Bo breathed was stolen from the rest of mankind
You sure?
Man, I'm outta my own loop.
hol up I got you
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lol capslock
No worries
My understanding was that she was to be an offering to become a Champion. You know, get zooted with Nurgle's Blessing.
Today I learned, the paint job in on fyreslayers is just ass these models are bad ass
Iron warriors are forklift certified
That is why they are my favorite traitor legion
Fyreslayers are ass in general 💀
Lmao yeee
They are so dumb I love them
Better than the old world slayers
Dragon slayer
To be fair this model ain’t for sale
This one is tho

I mentioned this before. But I will mention it again
Because I'm feeling creative
Ish
So I have the idea of like
Basically a Guevesa going bonkers after the Imperium invades the T'au world they live in.
Like, they're thinking it's divine retribution
Are there any similar reactions to like
A T'au world being retaken?
Or just accounts of a T'au world being retaken.
BRUH
His WHOLE ASS thang is hanging out
the lore goes deep
What is this communist Russia
How Deep?

wtf is that
Can’t rightly say
deeper than his vicodin addiction
Yeah i love the fact that they lean in with the hardcore Slayer look
And they feel no shame about it
I'm also pretty sure that only you and i love fyreslayers in this chat
oh shit
Squid Games S2 is out
time to waste my day off tomorrow watching tv slop
Well time for another weeks of watching people don't shut the f*** up about squid game
its a good show so get the fuck over it you mushroom fuck

Hey i'm not saying it's bad i'm just saying okay i get it it's a good show you don't have to scream about it like it's a primarch and is one of a kind in tv
its peak and you will watch it
No
The one thing I hate about Squid Game is its one of those stories where it tells people how doing X thing in show is explicitly bad, then it gets adapted by corpos to do that exact thing
Never watched the show, Im sure its good
I got no ideas for my slayerlodge yet tho sadly
A kid once called me "Korean just like the guys from squid game"
I am Chinese btw

Jesus christ
I think I just stood there for a second lmao
Yeah me too, one thing is for sure though i want to make them like the lodge hermdar i think
The lodge that is reasonable and likes helping people
It's pretty good although it does have a few problems
There's one major twist that kinda makes the story worse
Also the fact that the rich guys.
Like I get it. They're supposed to be stupid and greedy. Shallow facsimile of human beings
And I get what they're trying
But at the same time they feel so cartoonish it actually just loops around to being unfunny
Yeah I heard that specific twist isnt that great
The lodges aren’t evil they are just very petty
And merc core
...so basically like 95% of dwarves
They aren’t kharadron where they will steal an arm and a leg
Yeah but i'm talking about the lodge that even though they are merc cores
They still have kindness and you know charge reasonable prices
Oh ye
Unlike the other lodges
Refuse to work with chaos and all of that
I still find it funny that it's canon that
Some random village accidentally short changed the dwarves
Respect the soul of a military contract
They were going to send the amount to like
Yeah and i'm pretty sure it's name was Hermdar
Pay them properly
But before that happened, they just fucking wiped the village off the map

I have 2 general ideas for fyreslayers
Roving clans from endless legend
Or something to do with wild fires
Maybe ur gold that got stuck in trees so they burn down the forest to retrieve it
And made friends with pine tree Sylvaneth who believe forest fires
Idk yet
Yeah hermdar the lodge that would even do jobs for free
As long as they help people
And compared to everyone their prices are very low
yee
Where would Warhammer Fantasy be?
Dystopian or Sinful I feel
Maybe even Gilded
Warhammer fantasy is darker and every order faction squabbles with one another constantly, but they can at least recognize threats and work together when they need to
Sinful/dystopian/gilded fluctuates between the 3
Yeah i agree, but it definitely gets to grim dark on certain occasions
As like everyone said it's either simple dystopian or gilded, but it does i will definitely say reach grim dark on certain events
Endtimes moment
The best type of trolling
How about aos
Where does it sit on the chart
Same applies
But it slides into grimdark more often
Because apocalyptic events happen like a lot lol
Yeah the realms just went through the necroquake, era of the beast and now the giant rat god ascending and becoming an actual player in the game
I’d say grim dark heading up to dystopia
Is it like the rats
It’s a post apocalypse setting
Because we had that conversation one time
Rats + slaves to darkness
Damn archeon ain't letting Katakros slide with that smoke
does this have to do with the realm turning inside out?
Partially
You mean those bones that are so poor quality i can break them with a head butt
But it’s mostly just hordes of rats
Ah
Oh yeah now that the great horned rat is now taking his rightful place in the funny games of gods of chaos his demons would be amped up right
I mean with the blows Nagash suffered after the necroquake it makes sense that this would be the time to strike
Yes
Thsi is like, the most disorganized nagash’s armies have been
I got no clue I haven’t read the skaven tome
Hmm i see
I’m just going off the core rule book and chaos warriors tome
Heard skaventide is good though
How's destruction going
After all they did have that fun era of the beast
Yep and now the Gitmobs are officially the underdogs
Using sun magic and you know poorly built chariots and giant wolves hopefully
I love the fact idoneth and skaven have like some fucking horrible rivalry appsntely
Idoneth keep getting attacked by skaven in lore
To be fair their domain probably keeps getting hit by random Gnawholes
It does
They drained an ocean twice
And it’s apparently always fucking random accidents the skaven attack idoneth
It’s so funny
Yeah unless they get better Gnawhole tracking it's probably going to be always the case
Also apparently idoneth and Fyreslayers don't like each other because well obviously water and fire
In 40K what's the signifigance of the 'i' number and 'ii' it's on tattoos and gear all over the place
As in a lower case i?
Regarding the I if it resembles this it’s the inquisitons symbol
A lot of imperial organizations use a big “I” to represent stuff
Ok thinking maybe what I see as two 'i' on the tattoos is an empty middle area and maybe just the sides in black ink. Trying to figure out how to screenshot in steam
lol pretty sure it's an I. Don't see a way to attach screenshots. But definitely looks like thick sided 'i'... lol gave my guy my own mental lore why he has the number 2 all over the place.
Lol
If it’s the number 2 it’s prolly just the number 2
Could be a production number
A tattoo from the imperial prison system
Ect.
you know, if you ever feel like 40k characters have a lot of plot armour, you should go read some summaries of american medal of honor recipients
you have to wonder if it's really plot armour or plain luck at a certain point
Audie Murphy writing is unrealistic smh
Why wouldn’t they just shoot him when he was on the gun? Breaks immersion
Fiction comes from reality.
Plot Armor is sometimes just
luck
Could there exist a good daemon
Good warp entity yes, good daemon no
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It's not as black and white dude. He's goes into why it isn't fascist
Literally everything the Imperium does fills out the "is it fascist" checkbox
the "its too wide to be labelled as such" also doesnt work as an excuse when almost every single imperial planet has to follow a rough guideline on how to provide for The Tithe which more or less always requires them to be some shade of Awful Authoritarian
No he says the imperium has checks and balances. Also that the imperium can't really be compared to any real world system of government because the threats in the imperium are real
It literally can be compared lol
Even if there are pockets that aren't fascist, the overall control of the Imperium is fascist
theres in-universe lines saying "democracy is stupid and let me explain why"
its quoted by a planetary governor before a necromunda codex

Yeah or at "best" authoritarian which honestly is about as worse lol
the Imperium is always oppressive, doesnt let its people choose, actively oppresses them, feeds them propaganda, lies to them etc, again it checks every single box.
and GW themselves has said 40k is satire
so again, it is literally a cautionary tale
The real existence of a threat doesn't make it fascist or not
^
That is a very weak defense
half the black comedy of 40k is humans doing atrocities to other humans.
why do you think almost every single imperial world has a chaos or genestealer cult lol
The imperium is totalitarian state on a planetary and sector scale generally speaking
Beyond that it just
Dissolves into feudalism
Until you get back to it being a totalitarian state at the higher portions
The imperium isn’t fascist if we use the real term and not the internet version, but totalitarian theocratic state with feudal elements doesn’t sound as fun
Yeah
Facism is just an easier way to define it for someone to instantly “get it”
Also it makes you sound like a facist if you lead with “the imperium isn’t facist”
Yea I agree i agree with it being totalitarian 100%.
People just use fascist in place of authoritarian these days
Yeah
it very much is fascist
i really got no idea why people say it isnt
It’s not
It doesn’t fit the actual term properly is the issue
It isn’t, it’s not central enough to be fascist
^
It is tho
It’s still a shithole
It isn’t
it is
Do I legit have to bring out the "is it fascist or not" chart
Can we agree to disagree before we shank each other in a back alley with rusted knife
It also doesn’t need to be fascist to be bad so idk why people cling to it
...
because it literally is
like
are death camps not really the giveaway lmao
or genetic purity
or mass oppression/purges
and like... so much other shit
All of these things happen in non fascist states
He ways more like Soviet Russia or maos China where the authority figures couldn't just do what they want they have go through buracratic paperwork to get anything done
and happen in fascist ones too
"its authoritarian" is about as much of semantics in comparison
Yes, it doesn’t make it fascist
Yes it does lol
Its on par with calling the Tau commies
Going by this comparison its like saying nazi germany wasnt fascist ngl
Yes if we use the actual term
Pretty much yeah
its actually a bit nutty
"No see they are just authoritarian"
"because fascism requires-"
its fascist dude lol
No because the imperium isn’t Nazi Germany 2.0
It has a lot of significant differences
Its still very much fascist so I dont really see the difference
I still dont really get how it can be argued they arent fascist is the thing besides "they arent similiar"
I believe that
This is literally a meaningless argument because we all literally agree the imperium is a shithole
I wish GW just came up and said it themselves to stop these stupid arguments lol
And that’s the authorial intent
well we do but also saying it isnt fascist is stupid
and like insisting its just "authoritarian"
GW isn’t the arbiter of what is and isn’t fascism so
as if it makes a difference
They are the arbiter of the entire setting
even when people like it or not
so no, not really
this is like saying "starship troopers isnt satire because i said so and I dont like Verhooven"
If they said the imperium isn’t actually a representative democracy and didn’t change anything
Why does a blank have a psychic link attached to it, how the fuck does that even work
It wouldn’t be correct
As long as they say its fascist it'd be good enough for me lol
and they always avoid it for obvious reasons knowing people will get mad
I mean
they barely even cover the incidents they try to "subtly" address half the time
since its bad PR lol
Yeah pretty much
Well, they haven’t. Because it’s not. Because it can be a totalitarian, theocratic regime with feudal elements and still be bad
like that spanish nazi dude never really got called out by name, they just alluded to it since you cant really fingerpoint it pubicly lol
Because it very much is.
We don’t need to slap fascism on everything when it doesn’t apply
like what does it require to be fascist lol
Tbf the competitive circuit literally did just kill him reputation wise
it very much applies
idk why you insist it doesnt
More centralized, the fact they allow other forms of government depending on worlds is a huge issue. And change the creed depending.
And yet they are all varying shades of oppression that encourage violent acts conducted by fascist states.
They’re not though, we see democracies and monarchies and all sorts of other forms of government.
It’s like calling Soviet Russia fascist because they also have secret police and camps and shit
They are though. Yeah every planet has a degree of autonomy because they need to be but they still owe allegiance to a central political entity.
Yes which doesn’t make it fascist and actually hurts it being fascist, it’s a theocratic feudal state
Yet it still very much is fascist no matter how many governmentship tags you attach to it.
Its very easy to say these from here compared to if you were working as a factorum slave lol
im sure you could still defend it then wholeheartedly
"its just feudal theocracy my dude trust me"
I don’t think a factorum slave would even know what facism is
I don’t even think they know how to read
Yes I am definitely defending the imperium by calling it a totalitarian, theocratic feudal state
🙄
Words have meaning
I still just cant really grasp this mindset of "fascism is just a buzzword, just because the Imperium does a majority of what fascists did doesnt make them fascists"
your statements are about as extremely 🙄 eyerolly
Lots of totalitarian and authoritarian states did things very similar
It doesn’t make them the same thing
Yeah sure, yet it still very much slides into fascism
I dont really get why people are so afraid of this label
It just seems like flimsy excuses to me personally tbh
But they are communist? Like China and the SU
Soviet Russia wasn’t fascist, it was still fucked up. Neither was/is Communist China, and so on
what lol
Cool, this isnt about them
No, some worlds may have elements but on a whole it’s not. Which is half the problem with trying to ascribe a lot of these systems.
I also dont really get the point of mentioning russia and china constantly, we are talking about the Imperium here, a lot of the shit they do pools into these awful things to be labelled as fascism
Other countries that are authoritarian but not facist
Yeah but as Dilara said, this isnt about them
this is very much just moving the goalpost
Its the norm at this point
China was never communist, it never got to that stage lol
Because Soviet Russia also had camps, forced labor, a brutal totalitarian regimec state enforced genocide and racism, and so on
It wasn’t fascist
Also like 'The USSR wasn't fascist either', okay the problem with that is the Imperium doesn't need to be fascist in a specific way that's easy to define because authoritarianism can look different from state to state.
so like, sure?
While the USSR may not have been 'fascist', what real difference is there in a totalitarian police state that punishes it's own citizens for vague infractions
Yes if we’re using the internet term of “authoritarianism is facism” then yes
just call it all tyranny, done.
I would but this is just such a stupid argument.
I also got nothing else to do at work rn lol
It would help if any of you were capable of engaging with a discussion without being condescending and bad faith
You are literally about as incapable
But whatever, I’m bored
find something better than insulting peoples conversational skills like you do every time you get "bored"
Edit but also "It would help if any of you were capable of engaging with a discussion without being condescending and bad faith" mfer you do the same shit
I failed to do it earlier but go for it try lol
Does the imperium have the right to exist?
Oh god

The Imperium is a cautionary tale of what not to end up as the human race so you decide I guess.
There quintillions of people so it would be nice if they didn’t have to die but it’s also fucked up so
Kinda up to you
Cause if it didn't most if not all of humanity would be in damnation
I mean
Imo
that doesnt excuse it
id say the human race could definitely be doing worse by 40k standards tbh
It’s kinda a fucked scenario either way
Yeah you arent really meant to defend or justify it
I don't understand the oh don't be xenophobic when it comes to 40k
"killing people is bad actually"
-intellegent mcsmartman
Source?
Because most of the alien races want to kill me so why wouldn't I be?
Because there was actual peaceful aliens and xenophoby also extends to your fellow humans
To be honest who would want a giant galaxy spanning empire that basically doesn't try diplomacy with anything non-human because they think human supremacy cool and will literally kill their own kind at the slightest and i mean slightest wrong they find
this is a very bad mindset to have lol
They got drip. Thats the only excuse I got

I would, it makes for a fun wargaming setting
Also yeah there was literally an alien race that was hunted to extinction because it made humans easier to be young
Define right to exist lmao
He means as in "should it exist"
I mean yeah they got drip i will say
the answer is no
Yeah irl definitely no
So yes
No in the setting
In setting, it’s kinda they’re stuck with a shit hand
That wiped out all other alternatives
There’s not really a good alternate

Yeah before humanity wad even becoming a thing the war in heaven was doing the funny
Real
Well you didn't define the question very well
Shoutout to all my nurgle covid presenters 🙏
It’s a broad question which is up to you
So do pardon my answer

Do you want it too?
You sound just like eternal reward jesus
i feel like someone just told me santa wasnt real
at the very least i know he still is
I don’t think there’s an easy answer because without it, quintillions would die and that’s not great, but also it’s fucked what it does to those, but that doesn’t mean I get to pick that they should all die
NORAD will make sure
The dude also made a video saying 40K is more just dark fantasy than actual sci-fi
I mean
no im just joking lmao
Live from Black Library is a literal shill
Yeah
I mean it has space orcs and space elves
also yeah its sci-fi fantasy
It’s def not very sci fi
The latest race is literally space dwarves
How so
Its got a lot of fantastical elements
But it’s got a lot of stuff
It’s meant to be super broad
Exactly
Like Tau are much more classic sci fi
Hes got a lot of bad opinions and also complains about 30k way too much to the point that his fanbase asked why and he said it made for easy views 
gotta make ends meet
HOLY BASED
You now have the four race quadfecta in warhammer

John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
Yea he hates that guy
I should have become a woketuber
You should
Why

Just make a new channel and you're already set man you don't have to change a lot
Bohemond is already making another femtodes video going "they got retconned"
Its a very easy job
Infinite money hack
Also make sure to uh
Nah the market is flooded now
It’s hard being a woketuber now
Talk about how gw is doing awful
also this lol
Talk about 3D printing
when like, they are literally making the best kind of cash
Make sure it's a fat black woman colored space marine
and cry about "WOMEN AND BLACKS RUINED 40K"
jesus christ



