#40k-lore-chat

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dusk patrol
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GAAAAAHHH

storm jungle
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Yeah its ALWAYS easily answerable questions.

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or some dumbass primarch question

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"did ferrus and fulgrim have gay sex"

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READ THE WIKI

dusk patrol
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And some dingus just says something where they’re completely wrong with complete confidence

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And it gets upvoted cause no one reads

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And all the fucking meme answers

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Gaaaaahh

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Literally any post on Ferrus

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“He lost his head Bahaahahahaahaha”

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“I am very funny and original”

storm jungle
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Yeah theres literally ZERO room for any kind of conversation.

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the top posts are always braindead-ass replies

dusk patrol
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Anything with Fulgrim

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“He’s gay lol”

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Anyways that’s the end of my rant for today

storm jungle
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Same, im gonna go get some toast and start work lol

dusk patrol
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Does Turkey even celebrate Christmas? I imagine not at the same level as more western countries.

storm jungle
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Yeah nah its only "celebrate" in the capitalist fashion where its usually buying gifts/getting together to have fun etc

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more or less how some other countries do it since it makes money for the brands etc

summer mural
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any excuse to partaaayyy

arctic talon
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She didn’t get servitorized, she got an even shittier fate lmao, she got turned into a tech thrall

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In any case yeah the mechanicus absolutely just servitorizes random people

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I’m not sure why this is even a question lol

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Like motherfucker you have the codex

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You literally have another excerpt with the mass servitorization of refugees earlier

dusk patrol
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Yeah but reading

arctic talon
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This guy is literally dumber then fuck

storm jungle
arctic talon
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It’s impressive how much people try to whitewash the imperium mentally sometimes

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EMBRACE BEING EVIL COWARD

storm jungle
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WAS LITERALLY about to say

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i still think the Tithes Episode 1 incident is the funniest

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"wow space marines are acting asshole'ish??? How can this be with the wholesome chungus Salamander!"

arctic talon
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nah episode 3 is worse

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People said episode 3 made no sense

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For some reason

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Nah the administratum would do that shit lol

azure knoll
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it's canonized lol

storm jungle
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Yeah the psyker usage has been a contorversial thing for awhile, its semi-recent

arctic talon
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Some of them don’t

storm jungle
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^

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its due to writer inconsistency but it works

arctic talon
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It’s dependium on the model

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Is the explanation in universe

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In any case I think it’s cool

storm jungle
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I showed the episode to my guard fan friend and he was just devastated and speechless for like 5m after the episode

arctic talon
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The ammo part is funny as fuck

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Lol

storm jungle
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It really is

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people that keep saying the Imperium is grimderp/doesnt make sensible decisions every much just does not understand how this setting works lol

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the ending is even better

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"we got too much cargo on the platform, just destroy it, we dont care anymore"

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💀

azure knoll
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setting has to work somehow, logistically

arctic talon
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I mean yeah

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It does work

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But sometimes fuck ups happen

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Lol

storm jungle
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It does and does not work. Which is the point.

azure knoll
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just cuz we see only the worst parts doesn't mean they're the norm

storm jungle
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I mean

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they kind of are

arctic talon
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I mean

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The tithes situation isn’t normal

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But it is something that happens

azure knoll
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(still have yet to see it)

arctic talon
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lol

storm jungle
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Read more books

arctic talon
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It’s just them fucking up ammo storage

azure knoll
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(only saw clips because people were mad about femstodes)

arctic talon
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They sent too much to one place

storm jungle
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OH THAT LMAO

arctic talon
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And they had to destroy the excess

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Imo it’s perfectly normal lol

storm jungle
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Guard hating the Munitorum/Administratum is also like a running gag in-universe

arctic talon
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Like yeah this seems in line

storm jungle
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because logistics even IRL are terrible

arctic talon
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Logistics even at their best

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Still feel like shit

storm jungle
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the entire reason gulf war marines got woodland camo in the desert is due to a logistics error iirc 💀

arctic talon
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Nah it was worse

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It got replaced

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With an even shittier camo lol

storm jungle
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LMAO

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yeah see what i mean

arctic talon
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That made you stick out

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Wait sorry the army

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Had the shitty one

storm jungle
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Yeah its pretty much what 40k is parodying

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just on a more nightmarish scale

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💀

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Me when im sent to the wrong warzone due to a numerical error

arctic talon
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They made you stick out lol

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The marines just got stuck with green and blue for a solid chunk lol

azure knoll
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the entirety of the watcher in the rain twist

storm jungle
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yeah that is one of my favs

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the best part is theres no ulterior motive

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she really was just a psychopath broken by the system

arctic talon
storm jungle
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average Death Korps of Kringe L

arctic talon
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This happens in vigilus btw

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They’re stuck inside a really confined portion of the hive the entire time

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As an artillery regiment

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They get fucking hacked to death by orks lol

storm jungle
arctic talon
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It was an administratum error

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The Athonian tunnel rats

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Ended up in an open field

azure knoll
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and made tunnels?

arctic talon
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With mostly flamers for killing orks

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And no vehicle support aside from drilling vehicles

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Because they’re a hive fighting regiment

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They got overrun by chaos space marines and cultists

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10/10

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Administratum fucked up and wiped out 4 regiments at once

storm jungle
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easily replacable its fine

arctic talon
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Yeah but still it’s hilarious

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And it’s pretty realistic lol

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It’s the same planet, they just got sent to the wrong part of the same planet lol

storm jungle
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clearly grimderp

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smh

pine wedge
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I love it

arctic talon
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It is

pine wedge
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the deadliest enemy in the galaxy is imperial bureaucracy

raven stone
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On the note of Imperial bureaucracy, the sad thing is

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If we go by slightly earlier Guard lore (circa 7th/8th Guard Codex)

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Those situations are NOT considered mistakes

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Instead, it is because it is standard practice for Administratum to consider any and all Guard Regiments to be exactly interchangeable with each other on a 1:1 effectiveness scale, regardless of specialisation or war zone, on a logistical scale

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Yes you can imagine how fucked that got.

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Or will get.

humble shoal
raven stone
humble shoal
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heh

raven stone
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Though admittedly the novel doesn’t explicitly state it was a mistake

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So it was feasible they were the closest asset around.

hallow saddle
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being any kind of different is very dangerous in the imperium

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safer to have your regiment be one modeled after cadians

torn marlin
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Carry the Emperor's Will across the stars

storm jungle
shell mason
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honestly

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when I think about

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where are the gene seed stored in a space marine?

storm jungle
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the chest

shell mason
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sack

storm jungle
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its literally drilled out of there lol

shell mason
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but where exactly in the chest?

storm jungle
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if you are talking about their cock and balls its not mentioned CatEvil

shell mason
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Gene seed

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Gene sack

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where exactly in the chest

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lungs? heart?

storm jungle
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its an entirely seperate organ

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its just in the fucking chest

shell mason
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ah

vagrant fox
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Neck and chest, somewhere

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I vaguely recall somewhere near/between the hearts but who knows

young pecan
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The gene seed is such a weird concept

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Put this little ball in a guy to make him grow organs and beef up and just uhhh yeah just take it out when he dies

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Very eco-friendly, reduce reuse recycle or whatever

spare osprey
outer wave
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So it would mostly be the chest

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Oh Dilara was talking about it lmao

spare osprey
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Weird lil orb

outer wave
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Ahhhh

storm jungle
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Its weird because in Pariah Nexus the medic litereally cuts into the guy's chest too

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and like uses the drill and stuff

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I ASSUME they use the neck as an extraction point since it goes around the rib-wall

spare osprey
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Would make sense

storm jungle
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especially since both of these guys also dont have drills

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oh wait he has one on his backpack

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ish

outer wave
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God I love and hate the rib wall

spare osprey
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Also I’m noticing that IF is still alive

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He’s having a fun time

vagrant fox
outer wave
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I feel they should specify that better

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Because its strangely interchangeable

spare osprey
outer wave
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Sigh and adds to a list of greivances of 40k lore

vagrant fox
dire ether
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I want to find a book about the catachan jungle fighters, anyone know if there are any

storm jungle
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Yeah theres a few

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hold on ill get some your thicc asscheeks pfp distracted me

outer wave
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God damn!

vagrant fox
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They're in Pandorax, not that I recommend reading Pandorax

storm jungle
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The most recent ones are Deathworlder and Catachan Devil

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super creatively named I know

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(also click on the picks to see the books fully, fucking discord)

dire ether
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My favorite guard regiment

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Armor is for cadians 😎

storm jungle
outer wave
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Like Grimm Deathworlder

dire ether
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Or John Catachan

outer wave
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Marcus Deathslayer

storm jungle
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Oh my god hold on

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for Deathworlder™️ the main character lady's nam eis Wulf Khan

outer wave
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GOD

dire ether
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My slarbo

outer wave
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WULF KHAN

storm jungle
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Catachan Devil's name is Haskell 'Hell Fist" Aldalon

outer wave
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I guess its not as on the nose as my options at least

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I had to roll my eyes at that

outer wave
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That would've been a relatively more creative name than Catachan Devil

storm jungle
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YEAH THATS WHY I HATE IT

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Also fucking

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  • Deathworld (the book)
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  • Deathworlder (the book)
young pecan
storm jungle
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seriously who the fuck names these things

young pecan
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And I'm not even afraid of needles

outer wave
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Sequel: Deathworlderer

storm jungle
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GOD 💀

young pecan
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Deathworldest

storm jungle
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😭

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terrible

outer wave
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Imagine getting your shots on a dirty ass battlefield

spare osprey
outer wave
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I wouldnt be surprised by the amount of death coming from 40k tetanus

spare osprey
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World of death

outer wave
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Ooooh

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Thats "good"

spare osprey
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Ik how GW works in and out

outer wave
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Next one after that: Death of World

spare osprey
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And don’t forget the novellas

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World

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Death

outer wave
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Of

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Deather

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Worlder

spare osprey
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lolol

dire ether
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Weath of dorld

storm jungle
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STOP THIS

dire ether
storm jungle
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you joke but thats not a bad name lmao

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especially since most names in 40k are made up sci-fi usually

outer wave
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Why cant they just be based off vague mythological references

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They do it a few times

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Just keep doing that

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Or at least for some characters I guess Idk

outer wave
dire ether
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Who then had a son NAMED FULK HAWN

outer wave
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Who had a grandson named JULK JUAN

spare osprey
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To a fuckin space marine named Obadiah

storm jungle
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its so fucking funny

dire ether
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Glup Huh????

spare osprey
outer wave
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Glup Shitto, a very venerable Star Wars character

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You know, Glup Shitto

spare osprey
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I love Glup Shitto

dire ether
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But does Glup shitto love you

spare osprey
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Like you’re fuckin with me

raven stone
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my favourite part of the New Trilogy was when Glup appeared and Shitto’d all over the place.

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executed for heresy

storm jungle
raven stone
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Heh

storm jungle
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what the fuck

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Obidaiya Hkraokn

spare osprey
raven stone
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My favourite “40k-era-Englishfication” name has to be…
…Alizabeth.

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Just change a letter, and presto.

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Doesn’t actually sound half bad and still works.

storm jungle
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LOL

spare osprey
storm jungle
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oh yeah that little event

outer wave
green loom
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Inter-rectum

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Gotem

outer wave
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Its just Alisa mixed with Beth

raven stone
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For my almost-never-to-be-written 40k fanfic, I invented the names of Ravion (male) and Anarette (female)
Anarette as a combo of Anna/Ana and Henrietta.

storm jungle
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Yeah that is really good

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as a avid 40k homebrewer I ALWAYS advise to either mutate IRL names or make up your own ones, its very fun.

raven stone
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Indeed. Random name generators can help, if they generate a good one or you use them to help name mutations.

storm jungle
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I had one Kasrkin guy who I originally named Jon but said thats lame and made him Joncantius, explaining his parents just named him after some minor imperial hero because of course lol

raven stone
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40k era also basically gives you a free hand in taking any name that can be expressed in English letters.

storm jungle
outer wave
dire ether
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What's the name of the regular dude who still believed in Jesus Christ. He fought alongside the emperor a few times

outer wave
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Ontius I think?

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Or something like that

raven stone
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John Grammaticus IIRC
Or Ollanius Pious.

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One of the two

outer wave
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Ollanius Pious I think

dire ether
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Yea that one sounds familiar

outer wave
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I was thinking of that guy anyway

outer wave
storm jungle
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Nope it was just a throwaway line to give an excuse to his name

outer wave
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Ah fair fair

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For me with names, I used to just mouth words and make noises then try and use that for shit

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I dont think its that great to do though

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It is funny however

raven stone
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According to Dark Heresy some even name their children after the Primarch’s first name XD. Likely to be noble/high born though.

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I imagine it is possible girls are named after various Sisters of Battle.

storm jungle
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Lmao yeah and its been shown i nbooks

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theres a character in the Creed's daughter novel literally named after a fucking tank

raven stone
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…Baneblade would be such a weird name to answer to lol

spare osprey
spare osprey
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Just steal welsh people’s names

outer wave
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You know what, thats fair

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Schlmaobwehouschironagren is a cool name

raven stone
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Actually I remember there is a bit of funny name shenanigans in one of the Eisenhorn novels.
IIRC Eisenhorn was discussing something with an enforcer.
Eisenhorn: “What’s your name?”
Enforcer: “Luclas.”
Eisenhorn: “well you are luckless. [For being embroiled in an Inquisitorial investigation]”
Enforcer: “that’s what I said sir.”

explaining the joke: ||read Luclas with a hard “c”||

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Yes I can’t recall exact wording of the joke, sue me.

storm jungle
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💀

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bruh that is fucked

outer wave
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Thats pretty punny tbh

rocky gale
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I just saw a Blood Angels list called "Baal in a China shop"

paper haven
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The exchanges of dialogue are Dan's strongest writing

rose thorn
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Love the interviews with the old world team asking them about models and stuff they never made and how they have to balance making rules that boomers won’t hate but are balanced

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And talking about lore they didn’t write

shadow plover
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wdym lore they didn't write

rose thorn
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liek they didnt write the setting or teh locations or the factions

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i heard the new stuff they did was good\

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i just mean the setting

shadow plover
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suppose that goes for any current writer for warhammer

rose thorn
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Fair

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I just mean the general attitude of treating it all as new since the game is back

green loom
rose thorn
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Oh really?

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Neath

shadow plover
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and the Old World is not what the old Warhammer Fantasy Battles was

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it's different game and different age

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a couple centuries before the old Fantasy

dusk patrol
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Also like

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Idk why we’d hold people to the standard of “you weren’t there from the start”

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That’s such a random purity test

rose thorn
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Good points

storm jungle
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I guess GW made the right decision with the resurrection bit

rose thorn
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It just so weird a game that’s dependent purely on nostalgia

rose thorn
storm jungle
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I also say this as a huge WHF fan lol

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I very much just dont care for the Old World since its not even an era of Fantasy i like

forest orbit
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Them picking Age of the 3 Emperors out of anything else is what lost me honestly

storm jungle
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same, I remember most people thinking the same back then too tbf

forest orbit
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Ye but I suppose its just the minis that matter atm, the lore is kinda whatever

storm jungle
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Yeah they also did an overhaul wih the rulebook for the narrative to make it work with AOS as well which was fun to see

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also WHF fans as ever being unbearable cunts complaining about that again lol

forest orbit
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it wasnt as bad as the lady knights incident i think but i agree

storm jungle
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dont remind me

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💀

shadow plover
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I do think there's something special about handsculpted models, granted not all of them look great

storm jungle
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Yeah again its why I make no comments on what my friends think lol

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I understand the appeal but holy shit some of them look absolutely dogwater

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its funny since GW IS making new models for them here and there

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its like those dumbasses that kept saying "oh no the gaunt models look great" before a week later the updated gaunts dropped and they just shut up KEKW_ogryn

shadow plover
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like these old chaos chosen are baller

rose thorn
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I don’t care about wfb or old world, I think most of the models are literally a scam to sell

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100 dolalrs for 5 metal ogres

shadow plover
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the rank and file chaos warriors look pretty great too

storm jungle
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I think its because its just a guy in armor

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the lack of detail makes it work

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compared to goofy ass muppet imperials

storm jungle
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Again tho business is business, if people wanna buy some of these terrible models for a setting that got rightfully nuked its down to them lmao

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ill just stay in the corner SusAngels

paper haven
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I always thought chaos warriors looked cool

storm jungle
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they are universally cool af

paper haven
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40k has a tendency to portray the chaos worshipping humans as pathetically weak and I sort of hate that

storm jungle
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thats just the space marine overexposure problem

shadow plover
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Mostly I'd want to get some of the 2nd edition space marines for cheaper than 15-20€ a piece on ebay..

storm jungle
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they take center-stage so humans always become a third-place underling sort of thing

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in WHF/AOS its largely always chaos having human champions

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so it makes them more badass largely

rose thorn
storm jungle
paper haven
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Well sure but imperial guard soldiers get plenty of glory.
Where are the human chaos champions in 40k?

storm jungle
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Chaos Marines

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so no

rose thorn
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Space marines

storm jungle
paper haven
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Show me a traitor guardsman that can go toe to toe with a space marine

rose thorn
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Like, the stormcasts are on the power level of chaos warriors that’s how awesome chaos warriors are

storm jungle
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you will stay at your Expendable Fodder position and you wiill like it.

paper haven
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I've seen guardsmen do it

storm jungle
paper haven
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Caiphus Cain has done it several times

storm jungle
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well yeah but its propaganda and cain has plot armor

paper haven
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Eisenhorn killed a dreadnaught with a broken katana

storm jungle
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well yeah hes the main character

shadow plover
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and Cain doesn't really go toe to toe with chaos marines, he kinda lucks his way out of each encounter

storm jungle
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Melta ex Machina

shadow plover
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Jurgen does help a lot

storm jungle
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we know he dies of old age essentially to write said memoirs

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so hes never in any danger

paper haven
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Either way.

storm jungle
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unlike Gaunt for example

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whos deffo dead by M41 but we still dont know how their story ends

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after 50 IRL years

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😭

paper haven
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One of the best cases where a cultist wasn't a complete wimp was in the word bearers book

shadow plover
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you will enjoy the Sabbath worlds crusade stories and you will keep enjoying it until Abnett is in a grave

paper haven
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He jumped on top of a sentinel and stabbed the driver.

storm jungle
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same with how I dont wanna wait another 20 years for Bequin 3

shadow plover
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2025 will be the year of bequin

paper haven
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I still need to read bequin 1

shadow plover
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I know it in my bones

storm jungle
paper haven
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Then 2

storm jungle
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Yeah may as well wihle you can

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i remember when Bequin 2 came out

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and i was like

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"Who?"

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"OH WAIT RIGHT-"

shadow plover
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I'm like 90% sure we will at least hear it is coming soon™️

paper haven
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Yeah I let the eisenhorn situation slip completely out of my mind after Ravenor 3

storm jungle
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Same

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the timegap also just doesnt help lol

paper haven
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Wait no I did read Bequin 1

storm jungle
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LMAO SEE

paper haven
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Alpharius is in it

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To which I was like: Wait, what the hell?

storm jungle
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Very observant Mr Abnett

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the sacred and the Alpharius

shadow plover
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Bequin 1 and 2 were so kino, the whole inquisitor saga gets better after every release

storm jungle
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hopefully we can read it by the time we are all married

shadow plover
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damn, we're not planning on getting married ever

paper haven
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The whole uh cultist spy school thing

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Really cool

storm jungle
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Yeah its great

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I just want to see the hopefully-not-lackluster ending

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that Valdor shit was so funny when it got revealed

paper haven
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I appreciate it when the human chaos forces actually have some utility

vagrant fox
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I think I'm one of a select few who couldn't get through Bequin. Everything sounds great I just couldn't be bothered loregryn

paper haven
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Which is basically all of Dan's stories which makes the very few space marine appearances that much cooler

storm jungle
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Yeah Dan is very good at writing humies, its fun

storm jungle
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Its just kinda again a bit too overcomplicated lol

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it adds since Abnett is a comic-book writer

paper haven
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The only thing I remember about Bequin 1 is that Alpharius is just. There.

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I don't even remember the name of the book

storm jungle
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to be fair it very much is some random marine but yea

vagrant fox
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Fucking Alpharious, fucking guy

storm jungle
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Alphakillingmyselfhaharius

shadow plover
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it's an alphalegionary, not THE alpharius

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they all call themselves that

paper haven
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It's implied that he isn't just a random marine in the like. One sentence he is in

storm jungle
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Yeah but thats just classic Alpha Memegion trickery

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Alpharius literally has no lore post-30k

paper haven
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Of course, I am always rooting for the good ol' Alpha legion plot twist so I might be biased

winter vessel
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I remember an alpha legion war band, not sure what book specifically, when one of their members shout the usual motto, but the rest went like “Fuck off! You’re not him.”

storm jungle
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Yeah it was from one of the recent books lol

paper haven
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This is a lie

winter vessel
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Like, even The Alpha Legionnaires themselves are getting tired of the same old shit

paper haven
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I mean it has been going on for ten thousand years

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Are you even Alpharius?

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Really?

winter vessel
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Aesthetic wise tho, they are still my favorite Traitor Marines, I like armor with scale designs

paper haven
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I enjoy it when alpha legion marines are written like overworked employees in a corporation.
Like, dude, I just work here.

vagrant fox
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They look baller, they just spawn the most inane and tedious conspiracies

storm jungle
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Yeah what I love is people coping they are loyalists when literally all they do is evil shit, its hilarious

paper haven
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No because you see killing those babies made the imperium stronger

storm jungle
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they are also in the Chaos™️ faction with the Chaos™️ codeword for their army for a reason

vagrant fox
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Lets fix this wall by planting demolitions on it, I'm a repairman

paper haven
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We're helping

winter vessel
storm jungle
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its some cartoon villain shit

vagrant fox
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But you see so and so is actually alpharious, Omegon is sitting on the golden throne blah blah blah

paper haven
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Admittedly I almost never see the "We're bad guys but secretly good guys" plot idea actually done well

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There is almost never a good reason for it and, really, it's mostly just unhelpful

storm jungle
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Yeah its just cope like i said

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its very possible theres still loyalist AL but the vast majority is very much chaos alligned

winter vessel
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There’s a military vet I meet with in my neighborhood, (Gulf War-era), who really fits the bill of an Iron Warrior in the 30k-era. Very good at his job in the motor pool, but got no appreciation from his commanding officers except a few guys in his company.

paper haven
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One book I read was about a loyalist alpha legion warband. None of them were actual alpha legion, though

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Military vets have a profound distaste for authority in my experience

vagrant fox
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Boohoopurabo didn't deserve his legion #facts

shadow plover
#

The Emperor didn't deserve Persturbo yesgryn

winter vessel
#

IW are my favorite, lore wise.

vagrant fox
#

My favourite of the traitors are the World Eaters who charged Angron, then the berserker who charged Guilliman

#

Not that the first were traitors

paper haven
#

Before reading the Horus heresy, I thought the ultramarines were lame and iron warriors were as generic as you can get

winter vessel
#

Turbo the snail but it’s Perty with his shell painted hazard stripes

paper haven
#

I still sort of think that but now I actually like them

winter vessel
#

There are a few among the Blueberries who are alright in my book.

#

Gadriel being one of em of course

shadow plover
vagrant fox
#

I just wish my first interest, Imperial Fists, were cool at all

winter vessel
vagrant fox
#

If the Executioners are involved I'm all for it

winter vessel
#

I also want an official Raptors heraldry for SM2.

ionic crag
#

So whats the over-under on Rinda coming back as a Chaos Champion or being responsible for allowing Plaguebearers into real space on Atoma?

#

I'm thinking around a 67% probability.

humble shoal
#

the one in the dark communion was rodin

dusk patrol
ionic crag
#

Man, I'm outta my own loop.

humble shoal
#

rinda IS IN THIS

#

lol capslock

ionic crag
#

No worries

#

My understanding was that she was to be an offering to become a Champion. You know, get zooted with Nurgle's Blessing.

rose thorn
#

Today I learned, the paint job in on fyreslayers is just ass these models are bad ass

humble shoal
#

That is why they are my favorite traitor legion

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

They are pretty fyre I do say

storm jungle
#

Lmao yeee

rose thorn
#

They are so dumb I love them

#

Better than the old world slayers

#

Dragon slayer

#

To be fair this model ain’t for sale

#

This one is tho

arctic talon
#

I’m ngl

#

I think fyreslayers still look ugly lol

opaque coyote
#

I mentioned this before. But I will mention it again

#

Because I'm feeling creative

#

Ish

#

So I have the idea of like

Basically a Guevesa going bonkers after the Imperium invades the T'au world they live in.

#

Like, they're thinking it's divine retribution

#

Are there any similar reactions to like

#

A T'au world being retaken?

#

Or just accounts of a T'au world being retaken.

storm jungle
opaque coyote
rose thorn
#

His WHOLE ASS thang is hanging out

opaque coyote
#

Well if they're going to die

#

Might as well do it as stylishly as possible

spare osprey
#

In my lore chat?

storm jungle
#

the lore goes deep

spare osprey
#

What is this communist Russia

spare osprey
storm jungle
plush mason
#

wtf is that

spare osprey
humble shoal
queen laurel
#

And they feel no shame about it

#

I'm also pretty sure that only you and i love fyreslayers in this chat

storm jungle
#

oh shit

#

Squid Games S2 is out

#

time to waste my day off tomorrow watching tv slop

queen laurel
storm jungle
queen laurel
storm jungle
queen laurel
storm jungle
#

now get to it

outer wave
#

The one thing I hate about Squid Game is its one of those stories where it tells people how doing X thing in show is explicitly bad, then it gets adapted by corpos to do that exact thing

#

Never watched the show, Im sure its good

rose thorn
opaque coyote
#

I am Chinese btw

opaque coyote
#

I think I just stood there for a second lmao

queen laurel
#

The lodge that is reasonable and likes helping people

opaque coyote
#

There's one major twist that kinda makes the story worse

#

Also the fact that the rich guys.

Like I get it. They're supposed to be stupid and greedy. Shallow facsimile of human beings

#

And I get what they're trying

#

But at the same time they feel so cartoonish it actually just loops around to being unfunny

outer wave
#

Yeah I heard that specific twist isnt that great

rose thorn
#

And merc core

opaque coyote
rose thorn
#

They aren’t kharadron where they will steal an arm and a leg

queen laurel
#

They still have kindness and you know charge reasonable prices

rose thorn
#

Oh ye

queen laurel
#

Unlike the other lodges

rose thorn
#

Refuse to work with chaos and all of that

opaque coyote
#

I still find it funny that it's canon that

Some random village accidentally short changed the dwarves

rose thorn
#

Respect the soul of a military contract

opaque coyote
#

They were going to send the amount to like

queen laurel
opaque coyote
#

Pay them properly

#

But before that happened, they just fucking wiped the village off the map

rose thorn
#

I have 2 general ideas for fyreslayers

#

Roving clans from endless legend

#

Or something to do with wild fires

#

Maybe ur gold that got stuck in trees so they burn down the forest to retrieve it

#

And made friends with pine tree Sylvaneth who believe forest fires

#

Idk yet

queen laurel
#

As long as they help people

#

And compared to everyone their prices are very low

rose thorn
#

yee

opaque coyote
#

Where would Warhammer Fantasy be?

outer wave
#

Dystopian or Sinful I feel

#

Maybe even Gilded

#

Warhammer fantasy is darker and every order faction squabbles with one another constantly, but they can at least recognize threats and work together when they need to

arctic talon
queen laurel
queen laurel
arctic talon
#

Endtimes moment

queen laurel
#

How about aos

#

Where does it sit on the chart

arctic talon
#

Same applies

#

But it slides into grimdark more often

#

Because apocalyptic events happen like a lot lol

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

Vermindoom moment

#

Oh also fun fact

#

Chaos is overrunning shyish lol

queen laurel
#

How

rose thorn
queen laurel
#

Is it like the rats

rose thorn
#

It’s a post apocalypse setting

queen laurel
#

Because we had that conversation one time

arctic talon
queen laurel
arctic talon
#

They’re literally using skaven bones for field repairs

#

It’s not good

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

Partially

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

But it’s mostly just hordes of rats

rose thorn
#

Ah

arctic talon
#

Supported by daemons and s2d

#

Archeaon is mad

#

Big surprise I know

queen laurel
rose thorn
#

I mean with the blows Nagash suffered after the necroquake it makes sense that this would be the time to strike

rose thorn
#

Thsi is like, the most disorganized nagash’s armies have been

arctic talon
queen laurel
#

Hmm i see

arctic talon
#

I’m just going off the core rule book and chaos warriors tome

rose thorn
#

Heard skaventide is good though

queen laurel
#

After all they did have that fun era of the beast

arctic talon
#

They’re busy murdering rats

#

A lot of rats

queen laurel
#

Using sun magic and you know poorly built chariots and giant wolves hopefully

rose thorn
#

I love the fact idoneth and skaven have like some fucking horrible rivalry appsntely

#

Idoneth keep getting attacked by skaven in lore

queen laurel
rose thorn
#

It does

#

They drained an ocean twice

#

And it’s apparently always fucking random accidents the skaven attack idoneth

#

It’s so funny

queen laurel
queen laurel
# rose thorn It does

Also apparently idoneth and Fyreslayers don't like each other because well obviously water and fire

autumn flare
#

In 40K what's the signifigance of the 'i' number and 'ii' it's on tattoos and gear all over the place

autumn flare
#

roman numeral I and II

#

at least that's how I interpret the art

arctic talon
#

A lot of imperial organizations use a big “I” to represent stuff

autumn flare
#

Ok thinking maybe what I see as two 'i' on the tattoos is an empty middle area and maybe just the sides in black ink. Trying to figure out how to screenshot in steam

#

lol pretty sure it's an I. Don't see a way to attach screenshots. But definitely looks like thick sided 'i'... lol gave my guy my own mental lore why he has the number 2 all over the place.

arctic talon
#

Lol

#

If it’s the number 2 it’s prolly just the number 2

#

Could be a production number

#

A tattoo from the imperial prison system

#

Ect.

crystal forum
#

you know, if you ever feel like 40k characters have a lot of plot armour, you should go read some summaries of american medal of honor recipients

#

you have to wonder if it's really plot armour or plain luck at a certain point

dusk patrol
#

Audie Murphy writing is unrealistic smh

#

Why wouldn’t they just shoot him when he was on the gun? Breaks immersion

opaque coyote
#

Plot Armor is sometimes just

#

luck

thick cedar
#

Could there exist a good daemon

arctic talon
celest dome
#

Yes.

#

No need to watch

viral axle
#

It's not as black and white dude. He's goes into why it isn't fascist

celest dome
#

Nah, it's a fascist caricature

#

No point in arguing it

storm jungle
#

the "its too wide to be labelled as such" also doesnt work as an excuse when almost every single imperial planet has to follow a rough guideline on how to provide for The Tithe which more or less always requires them to be some shade of Awful Authoritarian

viral axle
#

No he says the imperium has checks and balances. Also that the imperium can't really be compared to any real world system of government because the threats in the imperium are real

storm jungle
#

It literally can be compared lol

celest dome
storm jungle
#

theres in-universe lines saying "democracy is stupid and let me explain why"

#

its quoted by a planetary governor before a necromunda codex

storm jungle
#

the Imperium is always oppressive, doesnt let its people choose, actively oppresses them, feeds them propaganda, lies to them etc, again it checks every single box.

#

and GW themselves has said 40k is satire

#

so again, it is literally a cautionary tale

celest dome
storm jungle
#

^

#

That is a very weak defense

#

half the black comedy of 40k is humans doing atrocities to other humans.

#

why do you think almost every single imperial world has a chaos or genestealer cult lol

arctic talon
#

Beyond that it just

#

Dissolves into feudalism

#

Until you get back to it being a totalitarian state at the higher portions

dusk patrol
#

The imperium isn’t fascist if we use the real term and not the internet version, but totalitarian theocratic state with feudal elements doesn’t sound as fun

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

Facism is just an easier way to define it for someone to instantly “get it”

#

Also it makes you sound like a facist if you lead with “the imperium isn’t facist”

viral axle
dusk patrol
#

People just use fascist in place of authoritarian these days

arctic talon
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

i really got no idea why people say it isnt

dusk patrol
#

It’s not

storm jungle
#

it is

#

It very much has every ideal from it down to the letter

arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

It isn’t, it’s not central enough to be fascist

arctic talon
#

^

storm jungle
#

It is tho

arctic talon
#

It’s still a shithole

dusk patrol
#

It isn’t

storm jungle
#

it is

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Can we agree to disagree before we shank each other in a back alley with rusted knife

dusk patrol
#

It also doesn’t need to be fascist to be bad so idk why people cling to it

storm jungle
#

...

#

because it literally is

#

like

#

are death camps not really the giveaway lmao

#

or genetic purity

#

or mass oppression/purges

#

and like... so much other shit

dusk patrol
#

All of these things happen in non fascist states

viral axle
#

He ways more like Soviet Russia or maos China where the authority figures couldn't just do what they want they have go through buracratic paperwork to get anything done

storm jungle
#

and happen in fascist ones too

#

"its authoritarian" is about as much of semantics in comparison

dusk patrol
#

Yes, it doesn’t make it fascist

storm jungle
#

Yes it does lol

dusk patrol
#

Its on par with calling the Tau commies

storm jungle
#

okay

#

that is just... wow

#

its nowhere near that

forest orbit
#

Going by this comparison its like saying nazi germany wasnt fascist ngl

dusk patrol
#

Yes if we use the actual term

storm jungle
#

its actually a bit nutty

forest orbit
#

"No see they are just authoritarian"

#

"because fascism requires-"

#

its fascist dude lol

dusk patrol
#

No because the imperium isn’t Nazi Germany 2.0

#

It has a lot of significant differences

storm jungle
#

Its still very much fascist so I dont really see the difference

forest orbit
#

I still dont really get how it can be argued they arent fascist is the thing besides "they arent similiar"

dusk patrol
#

I believe that

forest orbit
#

Cool, I dont

arctic talon
#

This is literally a meaningless argument because we all literally agree the imperium is a shithole

storm jungle
#

I wish GW just came up and said it themselves to stop these stupid arguments lol

arctic talon
#

And that’s the authorial intent

forest orbit
#

well we do but also saying it isnt fascist is stupid

#

and like insisting its just "authoritarian"

dusk patrol
#

GW isn’t the arbiter of what is and isn’t fascism so

forest orbit
#

as if it makes a difference

storm jungle
#

even when people like it or not

#

so no, not really

#

this is like saying "starship troopers isnt satire because i said so and I dont like Verhooven"

dusk patrol
#

If they said the imperium isn’t actually a representative democracy and didn’t change anything

arctic talon
#

Why does a blank have a psychic link attached to it, how the fuck does that even work

dusk patrol
#

It wouldn’t be correct

storm jungle
#

As long as they say its fascist it'd be good enough for me lol

#

and they always avoid it for obvious reasons knowing people will get mad

forest orbit
#

I mean

#

they barely even cover the incidents they try to "subtly" address half the time

#

since its bad PR lol

storm jungle
#

Yeah pretty much

dusk patrol
#

Well, they haven’t. Because it’s not. Because it can be a totalitarian, theocratic regime with feudal elements and still be bad

arctic talon
#

Warhammer is for everyone is still the funniest one

#

Imo

storm jungle
#

like that spanish nazi dude never really got called out by name, they just alluded to it since you cant really fingerpoint it pubicly lol

dusk patrol
#

We don’t need to slap fascism on everything when it doesn’t apply

storm jungle
#

like what does it require to be fascist lol

arctic talon
forest orbit
#

idk why you insist it doesnt

dusk patrol
#

More centralized, the fact they allow other forms of government depending on worlds is a huge issue. And change the creed depending.

storm jungle
#

And yet they are all varying shades of oppression that encourage violent acts conducted by fascist states.

dusk patrol
#

They’re not though, we see democracies and monarchies and all sorts of other forms of government.

#

It’s like calling Soviet Russia fascist because they also have secret police and camps and shit

storm jungle
#

They are though. Yeah every planet has a degree of autonomy because they need to be but they still owe allegiance to a central political entity.

dusk patrol
#

Yes which doesn’t make it fascist and actually hurts it being fascist, it’s a theocratic feudal state

storm jungle
#

Yet it still very much is fascist no matter how many governmentship tags you attach to it.

#

Its very easy to say these from here compared to if you were working as a factorum slave lol

#

im sure you could still defend it then wholeheartedly

#

"its just feudal theocracy my dude trust me"

arctic talon
#

I don’t think a factorum slave would even know what facism is

#

I don’t even think they know how to read

storm jungle
#

I mean they wouldnt

#

thats not my point

#

lol

dusk patrol
#

Yes I am definitely defending the imperium by calling it a totalitarian, theocratic feudal state

#

🙄

#

Words have meaning

storm jungle
#

I still just cant really grasp this mindset of "fascism is just a buzzword, just because the Imperium does a majority of what fascists did doesnt make them fascists"

#

your statements are about as extremely 🙄 eyerolly

dusk patrol
#

Lots of totalitarian and authoritarian states did things very similar

#

It doesn’t make them the same thing

storm jungle
#

Yeah sure, yet it still very much slides into fascism

#

I dont really get why people are so afraid of this label

forest orbit
#

It just seems like flimsy excuses to me personally tbh

viral axle
#

But they are communist? Like China and the SU

dusk patrol
#

Soviet Russia wasn’t fascist, it was still fucked up. Neither was/is Communist China, and so on

forest orbit
dusk patrol
forest orbit
#

I also dont really get the point of mentioning russia and china constantly, we are talking about the Imperium here, a lot of the shit they do pools into these awful things to be labelled as fascism

viral axle
forest orbit
#

this is very much just moving the goalpost

storm jungle
#

Its the norm at this point

arctic talon
#

China was never communist, it never got to that stage lol

dusk patrol
#

Because Soviet Russia also had camps, forced labor, a brutal totalitarian regimec state enforced genocide and racism, and so on

#

It wasn’t fascist

storm jungle
#

so like, sure?

forest orbit
#

While the USSR may not have been 'fascist', what real difference is there in a totalitarian police state that punishes it's own citizens for vague infractions

storm jungle
#

Yeah this is just semantics

#

as he always does lol

dusk patrol
#

Yes if we’re using the internet term of “authoritarianism is facism” then yes

storm jungle
#

"internet term"

#

and what is that exactly lol

dusk patrol
#

Yes we are talking about words

#

So it’s semantics

#

Congrats

forest orbit
#

Its always semantics with you to be fair

spring cairn
#

just call it all tyranny, done.

storm jungle
#

I would but this is just such a stupid argument.

#

I also got nothing else to do at work rn lol

dusk patrol
#

It would help if any of you were capable of engaging with a discussion without being condescending and bad faith

forest orbit
#

You are literally about as incapable

dusk patrol
#

But whatever, I’m bored

viral axle
#

Okay can I kinds change the subject

#

Kinda*

forest orbit
#

find something better than insulting peoples conversational skills like you do every time you get "bored"

Edit but also "It would help if any of you were capable of engaging with a discussion without being condescending and bad faith" mfer you do the same shit

arctic talon
#

I failed to do it earlier but go for it try lol

viral axle
#

Does the imperium have the right to exist?

storm jungle
#

no

#

lol

dusk patrol
#

Oh god

forest orbit
dusk patrol
#

Does anyone?

#

I dunno, depends on what you think is worth defending

storm jungle
#

The Imperium is a cautionary tale of what not to end up as the human race so you decide I guess.

dusk patrol
#

There quintillions of people so it would be nice if they didn’t have to die but it’s also fucked up so

#

Kinda up to you

viral axle
#

Cause if it didn't most if not all of humanity would be in damnation

storm jungle
#

I mean

viral axle
#

Imo

storm jungle
#

that doesnt excuse it

median star
#

id say the human race could definitely be doing worse by 40k standards tbh

dusk patrol
#

It’s kinda a fucked scenario either way

storm jungle
#

Yeah you arent really meant to defend or justify it

viral axle
#

I don't understand the oh don't be xenophobic when it comes to 40k

sonic knot
#

"killing people is bad actually"
-intellegent mcsmartman

dusk patrol
#

Source?

viral axle
#

Because most of the alien races want to kill me so why wouldn't I be?

storm jungle
queen laurel
#

To be honest who would want a giant galaxy spanning empire that basically doesn't try diplomacy with anything non-human because they think human supremacy cool and will literally kill their own kind at the slightest and i mean slightest wrong they find

storm jungle
#

this is a very bad mindset to have lol

storm jungle
dusk patrol
forest orbit
#

Well yeah you and I are space marine players

queen laurel
#

Also yeah there was literally an alien race that was hunted to extinction because it made humans easier to be young

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

He means as in "should it exist"

queen laurel
#

I mean yeah they got drip i will say

storm jungle
#

the answer is no

arctic talon
#

Irl fuck no

#

In 40k it’s terrible for everyone but it’s too cool

queen laurel
#

Yeah irl definitely no

arctic talon
#

So yes

viral axle
arctic talon
#

It deserves to exist

#

From a meta sense

#

From an in universe sense it’s a shithole

queen laurel
#

All

dusk patrol
#

In setting, it’s kinda they’re stuck with a shit hand

arctic talon
#

That wiped out all other alternatives

storm jungle
#

also money

dusk patrol
#

There’s not really a good alternate

storm jungle
queen laurel
#

Yeah before humanity wad even becoming a thing the war in heaven was doing the funny

viral axle
#

When I'm talking warhammer it's usually in universe

#

Idc about irl stuff

storm jungle
#

I thought warhammer was real life

dusk patrol
queen laurel
forest orbit
#

Shoutout to all my nurgle covid presenters 🙏

dusk patrol
#

It’s a broad question which is up to you

sonic knot
#

it isnt?

queen laurel
#

So do pardon my answer

storm jungle
queen laurel
sonic knot
#

i feel like someone just told me santa wasnt real
at the very least i know he still is

dusk patrol
#

I don’t think there’s an easy answer because without it, quintillions would die and that’s not great, but also it’s fucked what it does to those, but that doesn’t mean I get to pick that they should all die

storm jungle
#

NORAD will make sure

viral axle
#

The dude also made a video saying 40K is more just dark fantasy than actual sci-fi

storm jungle
#

I mean

sonic knot
storm jungle
#

Live from Black Library is a literal shill

arctic talon
#

It is

#

Lol

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

queen laurel
#

I mean it has space orcs and space elves

storm jungle
#

also yeah its sci-fi fantasy

arctic talon
#

It’s def not very sci fi

queen laurel
#

The latest race is literally space dwarves

viral axle
dusk patrol
#

Its got a lot of fantastical elements

#

But it’s got a lot of stuff

#

It’s meant to be super broad

viral axle
dusk patrol
#

Like Tau are much more classic sci fi

storm jungle
# viral axle How so

Hes got a lot of bad opinions and also complains about 30k way too much to the point that his fanbase asked why and he said it made for easy views KEKW_ogryn

#

gotta make ends meet

queen laurel
#

You now have the four race quadfecta in warhammer

dusk patrol
storm jungle
# arctic talon HOLY BASED

John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus
John Grammaticus John Grammaticus

viral axle
#

Yea he hates that guy

dusk patrol
#

I should have become a woketuber

storm jungle
#

You should

viral axle
dusk patrol
queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Bohemond is already making another femtodes video going "they got retconned"

Its a very easy job

dusk patrol
#

Infinite money hack

viral axle
#

Easy money

#

Yes

storm jungle
#

Also make sure to uh

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

Henry Cavill thumbnails

#

what else

#

AI gen art too

dusk patrol
#

It’s hard being a woketuber now

storm jungle
#

uhhh

#

yeah thats it

viral axle
#

Talk about how gw is doing awful

storm jungle
#

also this lol

viral axle
#

Talk about 3D printing

storm jungle
#

when like, they are literally making the best kind of cash

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

and cry about "WOMEN AND BLACKS RUINED 40K"

forest orbit
#

jesus christ