I'm fucking dying lmao 
#40k-lore-chat
sour hornet
dusk patrol
The community has this obsession with chaos marines who….aren’t chaos marines?
But basically all examples are copium as fuck
And only work if you take everything they say and think at face value
And ignore all subtext
sour hornet
silly
dusk patrol
Bile is the most egregious one where it’s so obvious if someone hasn’t read his book
It’s basically the theme of his book
dusk patrol
It’s not even subtext most of the time
But people don’t read the books
And even less read the codexes or campaign books
sour hornet
I've talked to someone who I know read the Bile books and still believes Bile "bitched chaos" as if merely receiving Slaanesh's attention didn't cause him multiple organ failure
arctic talon
Something something raptor god something
dusk patrol
Tbf I remember English class, most people don’t really care about reading into something
dusk patrol
Something something raptor god something
You don’t get it the cult of the raptor which mutates your arms and legs and body is actually not chaos because uh
arctic talon
They don’t do sacrificial rituals?
dusk patrol
Makes me wonder if most people even know what Luc is
arctic talon
(They do)
dusk patrol
And if they think he’s just like, crawling around on all fours for fun
And Luc is basically the most reliable dude Talos has in the series besides Xarl
And now with the siege, it’s even worse since we know that Luc wasn’t just a Raptor, he was one of the original Raptor Cult dudes ever
arctic talon
It’s so funny how he notices himself growing a talon and claws on his feet
And decides it’s a problem for later
dusk patrol
“This is actually kinda based”
lunar harness
That he’s so deep in denial
he looked at demons and said:
NOOOOO. ITS JUST SCIENCE. THEY ARE JUST A BY PRODUCT OF A UNIVERSAL LAW. I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOU.
And tbf
it kind of worked
dusk patrol
It worked cause they think it’s amusing
lunar harness
I'm thinkin based
dusk patrol
Bile is saved because he’s interesting and Slannesh loves interesting pawns, not a ton else
dusk patrol
The fact that he’s so in denial makes it sweeter
lunar harness
he made an uncorrupted primarch
dusk patrol
Or convinces himself he is at least
arctic talon
he made an uncorrupted primarch
Clonegrim was very cool
Clonegrim was also falling to chaos
dusk patrol
He was falling
lunar harness
i thought fulgrim was super pissed because he wouldn't
dusk patrol
He was going down the same path as previous Fulgrim
lunar harness
wait
trazyn stole him
lmaooo
legendary pokemon acquired
okay I'll read clonelord
barren prawn
does the ooletic kidney even do anything anymore?
storm jungle
"40k is a setting not a story" mfers when GW does nothing but put plot in everything
rose thorn
"40k is a setting not a story" mfers when GW does nothing but put plot in everyt...
Yeha but how many of those have been followed up
rose thorn
I’m not gonna blame gw tho it’s great for custom campaigns
sour hornet
Clonegrim was very cool
40k creates the sickest plot threads only to do nothing with them
ik it's purely for fluff purposes
but bruh, does the fluff gotta be so intriguing???
dusk patrol
It’s not supposed to go beyond that and you’d have to warp way too much of the universe around it
paper haven
GW fluff writers go way harder than they need to
storm jungle
but bruh, does the fluff gotta be so intriguing???
Its largely so you the player (whos pretty gay) can do equally creative scenarios. Its cheap but it generally works.
🫵
dusk patrol
The point is that it really takes insanely large events to really clock on the radar of the galaxy
sour hornet
ok
storm jungle
The point is that it really takes insanely large events to really clock on the r...
I mean no even then
4th Tyrannic war
barely is explored atm
sour hornet
incredibly direct stray aside
storm jungle
HOW IS IT A STRAY
sour hornet
it do make sense
paper haven
I don't want to be creative
dusk patrol
>barely is explored atm
It gets plenty of exploration in the 10th campaign book and some other books, as much as most big events have early on in 40k.
Definitely could be more but this is pretty standard for how GW does big lore stuff, we know Nids are here, it’s a large active thing and it’ll come up again and open up more direct stories when they want to get to it.
Just like Plague Wars, Indomitus, Octarius, Pariah Nexus.
It’s a setting and a narrative, they just choose where they wanna focus stuff and don’t rush stuff.
storm jungle
OH MY FUCKING GOD
sour hornet
also because 40k lore can be so expansive, and gives you a lot of room, but they only seem to focus on the same 5 guys
dusk patrol
They just skip around where they like
They’ve made it more of a narrative since 2016 but it’s still how they like to do it
storm jungle
It gets plenty of exploration in the 10th campaign book and some other books, as...
Yeah hence the "barely" part, it just got explored and basically ended on a big cliffhanger with like 3-4 plotpoints we are still waiting for to be covered.
And just because "his is standard" doesnt stop it from being any less egregious or boring, half the people I know forgot what Pariah Nexus even is and had to be reminded of its contexts with the recent animations, GW just does not do a good job of doing followups to these thigns as even when they attempt it with shit like White Dwarf almost nobody reads that stuff.
"Its a setting and a narrative" excuse also just folows like water and is about as inconsistent, theres nothing to rush, one side wins one side loses, its pretty basic setups.
dusk patrol
You don’t have as good of hair as Paulie don’t invoke him smh
storm jungle
Shut up
But basically it can be done better but its mostly sloppa so its fine
Planet blows up people clap etc
And I legally acquire these books to read them
or watch Arbitrator Ian
dusk patrol
Yeah hence the "barely" part, it just got explored and basically ended on a big ...
People don’t know most stuff that’s happening in the setting, Pariah Nexus has had a huge amount of content made for it but people don’t read or seek it out so of course they won’t know
storm jungle
People don’t know most stuff that’s happening in the setting, Pariah Nexus has ...
Well yeah nobody said this fandom is suppose to be smart.
dusk patrol
I don’t really set my watch by what people are aware of
storm jungle
I mean you kinda need to
do you see the people we get in here
"why didnt Big E just blow up Horus is he stupid"
dusk patrol
I’ll let them know if they’re wrong, but if they wanna be ignorant or whatever I’ll just tell them they’re wrong and maybe be entertained by that for a bit.
storm jungle
Giving them the Mandark treatment
speaking of
hold on i gotta visit r40klore for a sec for my daily dose
dusk patrol
I don’t mind people not knowing, I get more annoying by people being authoritative when they don’t know or read any of this stuff and then get mad if corrected.
dusk patrol
40klore had a good one today where a guy thought the fall of the Eldar wasn’t a pretty fucked up time because he read a Jain Zar book where it says she barely lived through it
storm jungle
I mean
dusk patrol
And didn’t even look up the other multiple stories we have showing it
storm jungle
"no shit thing" is half the posts on 40klore
dusk patrol
Yeah
storm jungle
fuck me do these people drive me insane
storm jungle
40klore had a good one today where a guy thought the fall of the Eldar wasn’t a ...
What I hate is its ALWAYS the most dumbass questions that get the most traction instead of the rare good ones
"why did the imperium do this are they stupid"
Yes next question
dusk patrol
“Why didn’t this character do this thing which we only know of cause we have omniscient knowledge?”
storm jungle
^^^^^^^^
Or its some dumbass primarch posts thats also not interesting
holy shit if i see another Primarch One Liner post im gonna blow up
dusk patrol
I’ve been thinking of putting together a post showing the endless times augmetics are shown to be far superior to their fleshy alternatives with how often I’ve heard people ask “why do the ad mech/iron hands replace their perfectly healthy limbs?”
Like yes there’s a psychological reason but they are objectively superior if they’re anywhere at or above mid tier.
Nobody asks these dumbass questions for Cyberpunk smh
storm jungle
You do that and im betting 10 bucks the top posts are gonna be some unrelated dumbass circlejerk threads that have nothing to do with the actual topic
dusk patrol
Probably
storm jungle
also Iron Hand psyops i see....
dusk patrol
Or people will say “I no like Iron Hand they big meanies, I prefer the wholesome chungus salamanders and lamenters. What’s that? No I haven’t read any of their direct lore.”
dusk patrol
Lamenters who literally turned on the Imperium and stayed traitors for the entire war and somehow didn’t get wiped out
And then fuck up everything else
Ugh
But they have a fun motto and 1d4chan page
storm jungle
I really do love how GW added an entire company to Sallies whos entire mission is to sorrowfully incinerate rioting populaces. I genuinely become to hate the Salamanders due to the 40k fandom sometimes lol
their also lack of big frontal warcrimes sucks ass
i legit hate it
"omg rescuing civillians owo"
dusk patrol
I like their idea but it’s like Krieg, the meme and perception of them is so boring and lame
storm jungle
fuck off seriously
dusk patrol
I despise the people who go into 40k looking for the good guys
And think they’ve found them
storm jungle
No yeah the Chapter is cool its just that the fan exposure is SO big you actually cannot avoid it.
green loom
Useful tbf
dusk patrol
It’s just impossible to engage with it same as Krieg a lot of times
green loom
storm jungle
Yeah its a rare case where you literally cannot talk about them without this shit popping up
I remember asking like uh
"Have the Salamanders ever done anything bad, why do people praise them so much" as a bait post on r40klore
and of course got downvoted to oblivion
sour hornet
It’s not supposed to go beyond that and you’d have to warp way too much of the u...
it would be pretty rad if they did
dusk patrol
Ngl Clonegrim is something I wish Reynolds had never done just cause it’s
So fucking boring how much people talk about it like it matters
storm jungle
It literally got to the fucking point where he had to say no nothing was gonna come out of the plotpoint.
i remember him making that post on twitter and this was YEARS ago
dusk patrol
It’s like Rylanor
storm jungle
the fact that its still so rampant now is crazy
storm jungle
Its a great case of people wanking off "heroic last stands" yeah
dusk patrol
He just wins cause some Tson is a dork
storm jungle
also that dumbass pedo 40k music dude making a track of that encounter didnt help either
sour hornet
It literally got to the fucking point where he had to say **no** nothing was gon...
maybe he should write less interesting fluff
arctic talon
maybe he should write less interesting fluff
it wasn't even that fucking interesting
IN THE BOOK
💀
storm jungle
LMAO
sour hornet
it wasn't even that fucking interesting
apparently not
sour hornet
if he got harassed on Twitter about it
arctic talon
I have empyrical evidence for this shit
dusk patrol
Have you read the book?
arctic talon
Everytime someone obsesses over Clonegrim
I ask them if they've read the book
They say no
This has happened with over 40 different people now
dusk patrol
if he got harassed on Twitter about it
Fans still harass Matt Ward and say he’s a bad writer when they weren’t even born when said codex’s came out
arctic talon
I think I have a pretty solid sample size
dusk patrol
People are stupid online
arctic talon
if you would like to help me grow this sample size
I would be happy to take in more data
storm jungle
Fans still harass Matt Ward and say he’s a bad writer when they weren’t even bor...
Also forget half the reason that marine codex was shit was due to GW interference
Ward has his fuckups but he owns up to them
dusk patrol
Yeah it was supposed to be a UM codex
storm jungle
yeah that
they literally threw him under the bus lol
same with the GK/Sisters blood thing
he just wrote it to make the grey knights look terrible then just admitted yeah it was stupid
which is like pretty mature considering how most writers would have reacted lol
dusk patrol
Also like it was more a build up to a lot of issues the community had with GW at the time and it came to a head
green loom
Me when the deranged imperium faction is moronic, needlessly cruel, and wasteful
dusk patrol
But then 1d4chan made it a thing and it’s just
storm jungle
Yeah their effect on the entire incident was abysmal
down to even TTS at its prime making fun of it
green loom
Minor lore contrivance
FUCKING Matt Ward
dusk patrol
Now half the community is stuck on like 2008 or whatever
sour hornet
Fans still harass Matt Ward and say he’s a bad writer when they weren’t even bor...
I mean harass in a in a 'what's gonna happen' way, not in a 'you suck at writing, I'm gonna firebomb your house' way. I get enough of that in BT.
storm jungle
>Minor lore contrivance
FUCKING Matt Ward
me when i tell people who hate Ward that he majorily wrote the entirety of Vermintide 1 and 2 and they go "NO YOU ARE LYING"
sour hornet
With BLP
storm jungle
I mean harass in a in a 'what's gonna happen' way, not in a 'you suck at writing...
also BASED
green loom
me when i tell people who hate Ward that he majorily wrote the entirety of Vermi...
Obviously this means that the Vermintide games are actually bad
rose thorn
4, 5, 6, 7e gw
Gw writers trying not to include SA in their lore challenge (impossible)
storm jungle
Obviously this means that the Vermintide games are actually bad
aughhh death
dusk patrol
How was that sexual assault?
arctic talon
Gw writers trying not to include SA in their lore challenge (impossible)
thats whfb
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
and older GSC stuff
storm jungle
WHF has a ton of SA lmao
arctic talon
not 40k
rose thorn
thats whfb
lmao, yeah iw as refering to older GSC
storm jungle
yeah uh
arctic talon
after Rogue Trader
dusk patrol
If anything, and this isn’t a complaint, 40k has way too little sexual stuff
For how fucked up the universe is
rose thorn
If anything, and this isn’t a complaint, 40k has way too little sexual stuff
imma be real i want 40k to have as lilttle goon bait as possible, i want reddit to have NOTHING
storm jungle
"goon bait" 😭
arctic talon
same with "we cant say fuck"
Krak
dusk patrol
GW doesn’t really wanna go down that path largely and the authors don’t really wanna either it seems, they’re meant to be pulpy
plush mason
People are stupid online
people are stupid* fixed it for you :P
rose thorn
they thirsted after whats her naem of the ynnari so bad when she released
storm jungle
oh yeah yvraine
arctic talon
people thirst after any character
storm jungle
nah yeha the internet absolutely ruined her
arctic talon
who's remotely attractive
storm jungle
shes unsalvagable
arctic talon
lol
rose thorn
ive read a little bit of her
storm jungle
shes basically nothing more than Guilliman's cocksleeve atm lol
rose thorn
shes liek a cool character too lamo
dusk patrol
Those shitty Slannesh memes the one pedo dude makes
rose thorn
shes chill
storm jungle
Those shitty Slannesh memes the one pedo dude makes
God
plush mason
people lust after Hadron ffs
storm jungle
yeah its rampant
rose thorn
she tries to do shit
dusk patrol
“The joke is Sex” personified
plush mason
**LIKE A IRRADIATED POTATO**
yup
storm jungle
also "the joke is woman"
rose thorn
lmao
rose thorn
thank fuck the reddit has not discovered necromunda
plush mason
what is it with gamers and wanting to be belittled by women?
its a widely held thing i have found
dusk patrol
I like strong women, doesn’t mean I wanna be belittled.
Unfortunately all these dorks are into dommy mommy and thinks that’s the same thing smh
rose thorn
the esher are the only like mildly hot faction that is okay lmao
dusk patrol
And by “strong women” I don’t mean “girl with muscles”
plush mason
same but i have seen a lot of gamers simp for any female character that talks down to them
rose thorn
slaanesh too i guess
rose thorn
hey @storm jungle how gay is the EC gonna be if you had to guess
dusk patrol
same but i have seen a lot of gamers simp for any female character that talks do...
I think some of it is jokes but yeah there’s
A lot of weirdos online and it’s hard to find the line
plush mason
true
rose thorn
i hope its the most homoerotic faction ever
dusk patrol
rose thorn
Those shitty Slannesh memes the one pedo dude makes
also which one are you refering to
dusk patrol
Uh ill see if i can find it
plush mason
i hope its the most homoerotic faction ever
space marines are a fraternal warrior cult, you are hard pressed to find a more gay subculture in all of human history so
rose thorn
theres the youtuber(s)
dusk patrol
But basically the joke is “Slannesh turns the emperor into a kid and maybe assaults/worse him” and this is funny I guess and makes sense
sour hornet
imma be real i want 40k to have as lilttle goon bait as possible, i want reddit ...
goon bait?
rose thorn
But basically the joke is “Slannesh turns the emperor into a kid and maybe assau...
fucking
what
rose thorn
HIM
storm jungle
Fuck me
rose thorn
'whats your art style'
'one piece anime but i cant draw'
dusk patrol
Also a lot of them are like, shitty Yvraine/Guilliman jokes or other weird shit
sour hornet
dusk patrol
Anyways thankfully a lot of the community turned on him when he posted that
At least those who were around
arctic talon
sour hornet
dusk patrol
LowTierGod is a piece of a shit which is a shame cause he’s actually hilarious and really good at being funny on the fly and improv
arctic talon
Yeah it’s insane
How good he is at coming up with insults/humor on the spot
He’s just a terrible person
sour hornet
LTG wouldn't be nearly as funny were he a good person. Good people don't go on monologues telling people to hang themselves tbf.
dusk patrol
Best thing he ever did for his kid was not be involved in his life tbh
arctic talon
Low tier god Haitian golden router
Is like
The most deranged shit I’ve heard
In terms of like
plush mason
Best thing he ever did for his kid was not be involved in his life tbh
there are a lot of men that cant even say that lol
arctic talon
How the fuck did he come up with this on the spot
plush mason
LTG wouldn't be nearly as funny were he a good person. Good people don't go on m...
good people are a myth
ofc good and bad are subjective philosophical concepts so all options on them are right and wrong
sour hornet
There is a spectrum though 100%
plush mason
ye
dusk patrol
I don’t really wanna get year one psych here
plush mason
lmao sorry
sour hornet
Telling people their sole purpose is to "be in your chat, sucking on your dick daily" bumps you down a few notches.
dusk patrol
Anyways I would say LTG largely leans toward being a bad person, although he’s mostly just offensive
sour hornet
Especially when the thing that started it was some guy going "hey, you aren't the best at this"
paper haven
Heh. Love it when almost famous people implode over the smallest thing
green loom
What story is this lol
tough haven
What story is this lol
The wraithbone Phoenix
It’s absolutely peak
I LOVE ABHUMAN CONTENT!! GIVE ME MORE!
green loom
Ohhh
tough haven
tough haven
Ohhh
Later it’s found out that ratling ||poisons the captain with a overdose of a medication that makes him completely fucking lose his mind, for the humiliation||
storm jungle
Yeah I do love that bit
Baggit says best you can do as a ratling is remember who abused/messed with you and take revenge on them in subtler ways depending on what they did to you compared to outright confrontation, love it
icy finch
i just realised
on the Script Case weapon charm 'OZ' is Zola
new mission - Rannick refers to Zola as Orgustine
Biron, Grim Protocols trailer is revealed to be the 1st name for Wolfer
rocky gale
new mission - Rannick refers to Zola as Orgustine
Yea if my name was Orgustine I'd go by my surname as well
plush mason
Biron, Grim Protocols trailer is revealed to be the 1st name for Wolfer
i knew it
small grail
what is manhunt
the game
people call it unsettling
and hate it
plush mason
so with Zola and Wolfer's connection being established i wonder where they will take Biron's story
the cult seems to be done with him or nearly so
storm jungle
what is manhunt
the game
people call it unsettling
and hate it
Its a game where you play as a guy whos been kidnapped from death row to shoot a snuff film involuntarily for a washed up hollywood producer who sells it on the black market
each level is a "manhunt" where you fight different kinds of freaks
its a very interesting game per Rockstar id suggest taking a look at it
also why the fuck are you asking it in a 40k lore chat
plush mason
Its a game where you play as a guy whos been kidnapped from death row to shoot a...
tbf that sounds hella Slaanesh coded
queen laurel
**also why the fuck are you asking it in a 40k lore chat**
I mean we do wander off on random topics sometimes but i can get where you're coming from
shell barn
Later it’s found out that ratling ||poisons the captain with a overdose of a me...
Just walked in and seeing the word “Ratling” I forgot about our lovely little space hobbits and instead thought of ratling gunners and got confused
shell barn
tbf that sounds hella Slaanesh coded
Slaneesh would have approved of something like this yesh
acoustic hinge
rocky gale
Obviously not very many if he's sold out
rose thorn
What was the alpha legion like pre primarch
arctic talon
What was the alpha legion like pre primarch
They liked armored spearhead assaults
Which they kept on doing
After they got their primarch
queen laurel
They liked armored spearhead assaults
Wait so literally their first type of tactics was the complete opposite of what they are doing
arctic talon
Not really
The alpha legion like being sneaky
- they like armored spearhead and terminator assaults
When they were a legion
People just hyperfixate on being sneaky
rose thorn
Do we have a picture and name?
arctic talon
No picture of a scheme
rose thorn
Damn
arctic talon
I’m not sure if we had a name
queen laurel
+ they like armored spearhead and terminator assaults
Ohh that's neat
rose thorn
Ghost Legion
Ooo that’s baller
dapper gyro
People just hyperfixate on being sneaky
Because they sabotaged the Raven Guard during HH
storm jungle
based btw
rose thorn
Funny how Raven gaurd and AL are opposites but people assume they are the same lmao
Raven guard
rose thorn
Lmao
dusk patrol
What was the alpha legion like pre primarch
They never lacked a primarch
barren prawn
What was the alpha legion like pre primarch
there is the bit where big blue tries to kill alpharious in order to make them go crazy and easier to fight but i am not that far in yet idk what happened
dusk patrol
But yeah they didn’t change a ton, people just miss on the Harrowing stuff they did and ignore the many times we see them do big set piece fights
Guilliman never fights Alpharius or Omegon in the heresy and the record of him killing Omegon was only reported by an inquisitor who ended up being an Alpha Legion plant later on
Omegons fate is completely unknown, even pov we get of that AL in current 40k no one knows
Alpharius however is very dead
barren prawn
i hate alpha legion so much
its the gary vault in fallout HAHA XDDD u dont know who killed who :3333
dusk patrol
Not sure why you’ve barely read anything on them to form an opinion
barren prawn
please just write a good story without giving yourself back doors
here we go again
ive never been stabbed in the eye but i imagine it hurts
dusk patrol
Yes I’m going to say that before forming strong opinions on stuff you should read about them
I have complaints with some of their writing too but you tapped out after two chapters of one book
barren prawn
hey man we did this before you had plenty of opnions on vulkan but you had no idea what konrad actually did to him or what he did during the entire events of the book
dusk patrol
My issue with them mostly is by the community memes on them
dusk patrol
hey man we did this before you had plenty of opnions on vulkan but you had no id...
I have read more books on Salamanders and Vulkan than you’ve probably read 40k books
A lot of them suck
But the legion itself and a lot of the concepts can still be cool
40k factions often aren’t just their novels
barren prawn
you didnt know that vulkan briefly had a version of the butchers nails embeded in a helmet konrad made him wear
dusk patrol
No you started rambling about butchers nails with no context of what you were talking about
dusk patrol
Also he kills Vulkan in hundreds of ways
He kill’s him with the engines of the Nightfall and a fork too
barren prawn
they are in the book you should have known if you\ve actually read it
the only difference between us is that i actually say when ive read a book and when i did not
dusk patrol
You didn’t bring them up in context to Vulkan for one, and second I read the book when it came out
I don’t remember ever detail of a montage, I remember what actually mattered
You’re the one who was trying to claim Vulkan is an amazing fighter because he sucker punched Curze, which is his least impressive combat encounter in the heresy.
He has fights later which show his skills
That one is irrelevant
You couldn’t even get to chapter three in Legion and are acting like you have the entire AL nailed down
When you’ve read nothing else on them
Not that there isn’t issues with them and I don’t always love their writing but speaking so authoritatively when you couldn’t even get halfway into a book
storm jungle
its the gary vault in fallout HAHA XDDD u dont know who killed who :3333
AL are a lot better once you ignore the moronic community opinions on them
they are just Chaos Marines using insurgency/spy tactics, thats it at the end of the day
barren prawn
well see once i get to other books but so far legion was unreadable
storm jungle
Well i mean there is nothing to see. Thats all they do even in the heresy lol
barren prawn
and hell the concept of random massive space marines being able to camouflage as anything seems like its out of a shitty 90s movie
at least raven guard had fully explained stealth tech
storm jungle
Space Marines in general being able to do "stealth" is one of the more moronic things yeah
even when they try to explain it
dusk patrol
You realize you’re reading 40k right?
arctic talon
New vindicare ammo just dropped lmao
dusk patrol
Like yeah it’s silly but
storm jungle
"Its 40k" is not a good enough excuse imo
barren prawn
https://tenor.com/view/turtle-master-of-disguise-gif-20156427
I AM ALPHARIOUS
storm jungle
people in general always raise the "how the fuck can a giant tank-man sneak around" thing because its stupid
dusk patrol
It’s 40k is always the reason, these are guys who run at dudes with chainsaw swords, it’s explained how they can
storm jungle
Its really not
dusk patrol
But it’s all pretty dumb if you really wanna break it down
storm jungle
ı mean no
gray umbra
I think herzog wasnt even in power armor when he hooked up witj grammaticus
dusk patrol
It is, their armor has stealth systems and they train an absurd amount for it and some have supernatural powers
barren prawn
we can make chainswords
storm jungle
compared to "this giant man took down an entire city government"
dusk patrol
"its a sword but a chainsaw"
These are guys who run into melee with them, and yes it is really dumb and silly
storm jungle
These are guys who run into melee with them, and yes it is really dumb and silly
Its not. You are entitled to your own opinion but people in general have raised the concept Marine Stealth being stupid
dusk patrol
Chain weapons are insanely stupid
storm jungle
again
not as goofy as this
sorry lol
also like
im arguing this with a marine fan, of course you'll say its fine
dusk patrol
My point is endless 40k things are stupid if you wanna be boring
barren prawn
These are guys who run into melee with them, and yes it is really dumb and silly
thats a choice not someone appearing as something else with no rhyme or reason
dusk patrol
Tank designs, flyers
dusk patrol
The size of pauldrons
storm jungle
"at its core all of it is stupid" is not a defense
its like when you get at me for "its plot" being a dumb reason when its not
barren prawn
like
they didnt even get the emperors power of appearing as different things that would have been a good explanation
dusk patrol
Yes it is, it’s selectively choosing to find something dumb when the entire universe breaks down if you apply any realism
barren prawn
pretty sure lorgar got the aura not alpharious
storm jungle
they didnt even get the emperors power of appearing as different things that wou...
What gets me is also like
GW themselves acknowledged this
dusk patrol
pretty sure lorgar got the aura not alpharious
Alpharius literally
storm jungle
and literally fucking made the thinner primaris vangaurd units
dusk patrol
Has an aura which lets him blend in
storm jungle
because again
dusk patrol
Which you would know
storm jungle
well yeah Corax has an anime protagonist superpower lol
"I stand so still I become invisible"
dusk patrol
Which most of the best RG dudes have actual super natural powers which let them sneak around like that
gray umbra
Dont forget talos sneaking through vents
dusk patrol
It’s just straight up magic stealth powers
storm jungle
Dont forget talos sneaking through vents
Do not remind me lmao
barren prawn
well yeah Corax has an anime protagonist superpower lol
"he hisses IM BATMAN" as he beats a homeless man to death for jaywalking
barren prawn
oh shit ye
storm jungle
tho tbh cant blame the confusion
barren prawn
i miss read it
barren prawn
they didnt even try to hide the anime stuff
barren prawn
"sharrowkyn"
storm jungle
Yeah that lol
dusk patrol
Local man learns 40k is an inherently ridiculous universe
arctic talon
At least to me
gray umbra
40k is practically an anime
arctic talon
What is anime but cartoons lol
dusk patrol
Eldar are more the anime faction
arctic talon
Same difference
storm jungle
Nah
barren prawn
there isnt even much good raven guard stuff
storm jungle
Tau are more anime
dusk patrol
Them and Tau sorta in different ways
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Mecha
arctic talon
They’re still pretty weeby
dusk patrol
Eldar literally do the teleport behind you nothing personnel kid shit
arctic talon
Tau is just Japan
India and China as well tbh
storm jungle
Eldar literally do the teleport behind you nothing personnel kid shit
yeah so does everyone
lol
arctic talon
Caste system
storm jungle
India and China as well tbh
Hmmm, Etherael M'ao
arctic talon
Same with the tau’s funny surveillance state and re-education camp stuff
Glory to the tau’va
dusk patrol
They can both be super anime, Eldar wear their influence on their sleeve.
storm jungle
Kinda
storm jungle
they are a lot more indepth with their cultural inspiration than the Tau
dusk patrol
Tau are just mecha stuff
arctic talon
They can both be super anime, Eldar wear their influence on their sleeve.
I agree with this
Tbh
dusk patrol
Eldar are more like
arctic talon
Back flag looks like the samurai one
dusk patrol
It’s more everything else too
storm jungle
Its a lot of greek/celtic stuff as well
dusk patrol
How they move, their style, their weapons
dusk patrol
It’s not all one thing like a lot of 40k factions but Japan is the predominate one and a big part
Tau are technically NATO in space with mecha anime aesthetics
And other stuff besides
storm jungle
Yeah and they are still deffo the more weeb faction in comparison
dusk patrol
I disagreed but whatever
arctic talon
storm jungle
no
dusk patrol
They both take different parts of anime and coopt them heavily
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Crazy
storm jungle
GW has given us a new type of vindicare ammo
dusk patrol
What’s it called
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Cool
I was actually thinking the other day a Caestus kinda of projectile which burns through armor would be cool
Meltas in the front, payload in the back
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you
plush mason
so have the chaos dwarves made their way into aos? and where does their god stand in the chaos ranking now if so
arctic talon
so have the chaos dwarves made their way into aos? and where does their god stan...
Theyve been in AoS from the start, Hashut we dunno
But he’s below GHR
plush mason
thanks
proven needle
Any lore geek here into Dark Angels? I'm curious why the official box art for the combat patrol paints Zacharial as Master of the 5th company when that role is already taken by Lazarus?
arctic talon
Any lore geek here into Dark Angels? I'm curious why the official box art for th...
Combat patrol rules are non canon characters 99% of the time
Which is an odd choice by GW imo
Lazarus in lore is the Master of the 5th company
proven needle
Combat patrol rules are non canon characters 99% of the time
I see, thanks!
proven needle
I guess, it makes sense from an army matching perspective. If you painted your models like 5th, you may want to use different matching captains that are not the unique Lazarus model.
lofty mason
According to the lore, some Inquisitor have xenos within their rank. How is this possible given IoM's policy regarding xenos? Also, some world often trade with xenos, how do they avoid getting punished by IoM?
arctic talon
According to the lore, some Inquisitor have xenos within their rank. How is this...
The inqusition is allowed to do(almost) whatever it wants
Xenos are justifiable in the fight against chaos, cults, and other worse xenos
Now granted
Any inqusitor with a xenos in their retinue is on the more radical side
And certainly not puritan
lofty mason
The inqusition is allowed to do(almost) whatever it wants
What job were these "recruited" xenos given?
arctic talon
Depends wildly
dusk patrol
Inquisitor and Rogue Trader retinues are built to basically be whatever you want
There’s even some inquisitors, radical ones, who have daemon hosts and possibly chaos marines they work with.
Although that often breeches into heretic territory and would be considered that by most other inquisitors
And most other parties involved
outer wave
https://youtu.be/PfSK9t0_E3c @queen laurel I love that the Eschin Maneater does silly lil poses after each swing, it's so goofy
sour hornet
yeah and the blessed scroll caddy has one of her letters inside iirc
rose thorn
https://youtu.be/PfSK9t0_E3c <@783504501561753651> I love that the Eschin Maneat...
Is it just me or did the man eater look SIGNIFICANTLY better in the concept art
Is it just the source material
outer wave
Is it just me or did the man eater look SIGNIFICANTLY better in the concept art
I havent seen the concept art but I assume its better in conception stage in comparison to what they actually pulled
arctic talon
but thats my opinion
the animations of the Eshin maneater ingame
also riff on old Kung Fu films
rose thorn
also riff on old Kung Fu films
Yeah that’s what I was feeling too but a lot of those were really racist
rose thorn
they looked ugly as shit in the concept art as well
Oh shit u right thsi blows
arctic talon
I mean again
Chinese people made a lot of them
I think its fine
or rather Hong Kong movie studios made them
rose thorn
Oh okay 
arctic talon
This shit is peak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_Hustle
my favorite Kung Fu film
rose thorn
The last kungfu movie I watched was about like, a white guy getting trained to fight in some kind of underground bloodsport thing?
rose thorn
my favorite Kung Fu film
I’ll put that on my watch list then!
rose thorn
HAHAHAHAHA
arctic talon
oh also don't watch the English Dub. The original Cantonese one with subtitles is the best
it is dubbed by the original Hong Kong cast
but its also like pretty innaccurate lol
its still funny just the humor is different imo
spiral rivet
Can anyone confirm that sire Melk is the guy on the cover of hired gun i would like to think our character actually worked thier way back up the ranks and out of trouble with the imperium
arctic talon
Can anyone confirm that sire Melk is the guy on the cover of hired gun i would l...
Sire Melk is not the guy on the cover of hired gun(probably)
This is the dude on the cover
normal stream
That feeling when sire melk grumbles about regretting not giving the mission to auric operatives when you're on an auric maelstrom mission
dusk patrol
We aren’t Him yet I guess
queen laurel
https://youtu.be/PfSK9t0_E3c <@783504501561753651> I love that the Eschin Maneat...
yeah it's uh
funny
storm jungle
we now actually know Zolas first name
Zola's name has been known since the game came out
its on imbd
tardy zodiac
I find it amusing that the Ogryn is probably the only one of the cast that's actually powerscaled correctly, but he's too smart.
tardy zodiac
@storm jungle Most Ogryn without BONE are actively incapable of counting to three
queen laurel
yeah it's still toddler level
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> Most Ogryn without BONE are actively incapable of counting...
Yeah but thats joke lore lol
storm jungle
I mean that also doesnt make snese
tardy zodiac
Or half the hive
queen laurel
you can teach an Ogryn they're like caveman
storm jungle
^
queen laurel
They are also individuals and they can vary
storm jungle
An entire sub-species of humans being afraid of cramped spaces/not being able to count to three is alos like kinda impossible lol. Ogryns are just said to have these "qualities" because them being dumb is playd for comedic purposes
queen laurel
Some are smarter some are about as dumb as a rock
storm jungle
most lore saying this is from like 5th edition since ogryns barely got any proper lore to begin with
queen laurel
most lore saying this is from like 5th edition since ogryns barely got any prope...
yeah nowadays they are more like ogres from warhammer fantasy
Mind you they are not the brightest still but they are bright enough and strong enough to take a rightful place in the imperium
storm jungle
I wouldnt say that smart but they are still pretty dumb.
queen laurel
I wouldnt say *that* smart but they are still pretty dumb.
I said more like not like
storm jungle
We also got an example of an ogryn like Clodde who speaks like a greek philsopher due to having a brain injury and actually having normal conversations with people
queen laurel
you're giving me too much credit
storm jungle
yes this is a Warhammer Crime advertisement go read it
forest orbit
I find it amusing that the Ogryn is probably the only one of the cast that's act...
The powerscaling in the game is pretty on point dunno about that
people forget literally everything in this game goes through GW approval first
queen laurel
Yeah if you're arguing Lore then we would have been instakilled the moment we touch a beast of nurgle
storm jungle
Theres definitely some gameplay =/= lore moments but yeah people dont really get minus the zealot literally the entire cast is made of trained killers lol
its just another case of saying "4 homeless crackheads" as a joke causing people to assume the rejects are like untrained menials essentially
queen laurel
just being near the ******* would reduce us to bones and dust
forest orbit
Yeah was gonna add to that lmao
minus the zealot the entire cast in general seems experienced
storm jungle
Yeah its only the zealots who are just very holy-men off the streets
we literally got a Cadian veteran who survived the Fall of Cadia on the warband lol
forest orbit
Ye them being just multiple people is just a matter of "dont think about it" i assume
storm jungle
Ye them being just multiple people is just a matter of "dont think about it" i a...
pretty much
tardy zodiac
The powerscaling in the game is pretty on point dunno about that
The Veteran surviving a fist from any of the Mostrosities is... Not really in line with other GW products
forest orbit
The Veteran surviving a fist from *any* of the Mostrosities is... Not really in ...
You will come to know not many things are in like with GW products
queen laurel
The Veteran surviving a fist from *any* of the Mostrosities is... Not really in ...
yeah because this is game
forest orbit
Also that yeah, this amount of nitpicking can be done for any 40k game
queen laurel
it's always a disconnect between lore and gameplay to make it more gameplay friendly
forest orbit
^
This game doesnt really push that much.
The most powerful enemies you fight atm are literally two hopped up regular sized chaos champion humans lol
queen laurel
The most powerful enemies you fight atm are literally two hopped up regular size...
yeah and we literally fight a giant slug that just being near it would age us to death and the touch of this thing can quite literally kills us and that thing eats us
forest orbit
yeah and we literally fight a giant slug that just being near it would age us to...
The Beast of Nurgle stuff is probably where it gets a bit egregious but even then we got access to literal plasma weaponry, krak grenades, power-weapons etc lol
queen laurel
like seriously this is just gameplay vs lore disconnect
queen laurel
The Beast of Nurgle stuff is probably where it gets a bit egregious but even the...
yep
forest orbit
its that and i dont think people are kinda aware how much an Inquisitorial kill-team with psykers/ogryns in them can kinda do
we arent just poorly equipped penal troopers
tardy zodiac
Even one Poxwalker is capable of killing us via disease
forest orbit
As long as you keep the distance not really
tardy zodiac
Like, it's the Nurgle aspect of it I understand least
queen laurel
Even one Poxwalker is capable of killing us via disease
and?
we get thorough cleaning
forest orbit
also we got Faith
queen laurel
yeah but his disease are also different
forest orbit
queen laurel
he saves the most dangerous ones for when he needs it
tardy zodiac
@queen laurel Nurgle made a disease whose cure was the physical presence of Roboute Guilliman, soap is not gonna cut it
queen laurel
the one we have in atoma isn't that bad
forest orbit
<@783504501561753651> Nurgle made a disease whose cure was the physical presence...
And yet somehow half the people near Roboute also survive
it aint that deep man
tardy zodiac
He was the cure lol
queen laurel
<@783504501561753651> Nurgle made a disease whose cure was the physical presence...
Yeah but you know those are special types of disease because you know he also went to the very much corrupted place
tardy zodiac
Poxwalkers are basically disease incubators
forest orbit
Yes, we know
queen laurel
he has weaker diseases that he uses for you know not that bad things
forest orbit
and again, its not comparable
tardy zodiac
So why don't we have any diseases.
queen laurel
one of the missions we literally make a cure
forest orbit
we just said why
queen laurel
So why don't we have any diseases.
cleaning
tardy zodiac
"Thorough Cleaning" does not justify shrugging off the prime component of a deity whose followers are ramming multiple sharp objects into us daily
forest orbit
"Thorough Cleaning" does not justify shrugging off the prime component of a deit...
if you listen to mission dialogue its made clear we get regularly "cleansed" after boarding the mourningstar, Kayex the techpriest is even properly told by the rogue trader captain brahms that if he has to he must go skindeep and even cleanse us further bodily/with the soul
queen laurel
"Thorough Cleaning" does not justify shrugging off the prime component of a deit...
It's like real life you can you know scrub off a few diseases clean them but there are some that you really can't cure because they are very bad you know like a disease
forest orbit
^
The warband is equipped to largely deal with what we are facing
also we arent fighting them naked lol
queen laurel
Nurgle is a god of disease
so he encompasses both weak and strong
the one in atoma is weak
he doesn't have strong ones yet
storm jungle
"Thorough Cleaning" does not justify shrugging off the prime component of a deit...
Some rejects survive some dont
this is clearly established in the game
forest orbit
^
queen laurel
Yeah yours are just incredibly cracked and lucky ones
storm jungle
Also again if we went by this logic any character cast facing Nurgle in books should just die lol
which is not really fun to read
tardy zodiac
Okay that's fair
And no, it's possible to survive specific encounters
But traipsing into disease factories ain't it
storm jungle
Yeah you can regularly hear Morrow complain to Zola asking for more rejects for the meatgrinder.
Its important ot remember once you go past lvl.30 you are basically the best the warband has as elite kill-team operatives.
Its why the launch missions were just:
"Idfk if you die or not, go do this shit"
to us now doing actually extremely critical missions
etc
queen laurel
"Idfk if you die or not, go do this shit"
and now there's a voice line of Zola picking you specifically in the newest mission
forest orbit
Oh yeah forgot about that
She literally says she handpicked you for this like several times too lol
meanwhile Rannick is just "yeah dunno go get em"
sacred ginkgo
You don't send the meatshield penal idiots to go to the building in an area of known heretical activity that at present has a giant green thunderstorm above it
storm jungle
^
Its why the launch-missions are the more "penal idiots" category ones yeah.
The vocator characters for the missions say as much with the "Try to make it back alive, or dont, I dont really care"
to Morrow literally saying he spoke to Grendyl to actually vouch for us
which is a big thing
arctic talon
Yeah for missions we’re actually somewhat important now
We’re reliable cannon fodder
storm jungle
Yeah as Rannick says everyone in the Warband is expendable.
its how the Inquisition rolls
Him and Zola are like the only people he probably slightly cares about regarding wellbeing lol
arctic talon
Ngl
queen laurel
We’re reliable cannon fodder
We’re cannon fodder
But the player rejects are the reliable premium cannon fodder
arctic talon
I’m sure he’d throw Zola off the bus
arctic talon
“Striketeam, violence now please”
storm jungle
PEAK
queen laurel
he would
yeah like this guy definitely would analyze the situation and if it's you know actually beneficial he will not hesitate to kick Morrow in the balls and throw him off a Cliff
arctic talon
That’s even funnier
storm jungle
Yeah the delivery is very willy wonka
"Please. Dont. Come back."
"Help. Police? Murder?"
guy hasnt left his office once so he probably doesnt understand social cues much
sacred ginkgo
“Striketeam, violence now please”
He knew his audience with that one
Still one of his best lines
queen laurel
Still one of his best lines
i literally also love the ambush voice lines
yes do or die
That's the point isn't it?
queen laurel
like this guy is an absolute prick
we are out here risking our life for him and he's just like alright get to it
storm jungle
like this guy is an absolute prick
queen laurel
"YOU ARENT HELPING"
and you've got nothing but ice on your veins
plush mason
^ Literally Rannick @ us
literally, there is a line in the ship about the mindwiping feature, he says it will be useful to have a backdoor into our psyches
sour hornet
also its more "Violence, now, please"
Funniest line in the mission lmfao
plush mason
but he needs her alive to avoid extra-extra paperwork
i still want to know the extent of her connection to Wolfer
dusk patrol
Their parents second cousins were related
dusk patrol
but he needs her alive to avoid extra-extra paperwork
A good leader knows the value of middle management
I always love this clip because of that
Saruman talking to a middle management Orc about the supply issues and their realistic factory output
Saruman, Boss of the Year.
arctic talon
Least hungry ogryn
storm jungle
A good leader knows the value of middle management
One of my fav scenes, so good
dusk patrol
Ogryn daily caloric intake has to be insane
Brian Shaw was eating like 12,000 per day at his max when he was strongman training
Ogryns could easily be like 3-5 times that
So much protein
shadow plover
for all the faults of the imperium, I bet the gruel they give out to their guard forces has to be some turbo-protein crap that makes it a possibility to function at the demanding jobs they're pushed into
dusk patrol
Rashins
shadow plover
quite so
dusk patrol
We know marines use an extremely caloric dense pellet or paste while on mission
Which they mention would be very poor for the stomach of a guardsmen in multiple different books
shadow plover
that's true
dusk patrol
Reminds me of a normal soldier talking about taking the pilot stims in Titanfall and how he took a small dose and was up for three days.
shadow plover
arctic talon
Reminds me of a normal soldier talking about taking the pilot stims in Titanfall...
sleep(optional)
plush mason
Also related
he is just like me fr fr
arctic talon
One of my favorite tropes is mentally deranged mech pilots
plush mason
so just mech pilots
arctic talon
Yes
shadow plover
WWII era pervitin was a pretty apt way of staying up for lengthy periods as well
plush mason
you have to be crazy to get in one of those things
dusk patrol
The casualness which Simulacra exist in Titanfall for how horrifying it is
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-gif-21814242
Thrills ✅
Chills ✅
Kills ✅
dusk patrol
plush mason
i lost braincells reading that
dusk patrol
You just know Viper stood in the mirror and practiced those lines
While combing his mustache
plush mason
those arent the actual lines right?
dusk patrol
No
It’s “Your journey ends here Pilot, the skies belong to me. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.”
plush mason
ok
dusk patrol
And then he keeps saying gold lines the rest of the fight
“You hear that ringing in your ears son?”
“Five by five in the pipe.”
He’s a Top Gun Knockoff line dispenser
plush mason
oh so a warhammer fantasy question, are gnoblars related to goblins?
dusk patrol
They’re hill goblins iirc
shadow plover
Think so, afaik they're just goblins from a different area
dusk patrol
plush mason
Think so, afaik they're just goblins from a different area
so there are hobgoblins,goblins and gnoblars
shadow plover
ye
plush mason
and i guess snotlings too
arctic talon
Thrills ✅
Chills ✅
Kills ✅
something something 6-4 is a family
plush mason
dusk patrol
reee
plush mason
lol
sour hornet
WWII era pervitin was a pretty apt way of staying up for lengthy periods as well
Nowadays we just macrodose caffeine and nicotine
shadow plover
pretty much
sour hornet
I've been up for like ~50 hours on a field exercise nonstop
shadow plover
terrible
sour hornet
the crash from shit like that is crazy, no wonder the wehrmacht had to stop before they reached Dunkirk
i was at the point to where if we were stopped for longer than 30 seconds, I was fucking snoozing
microsnoozing for like 60 seconds at a time
mind you I was a driver at the time
shadow plover
being a tank driver, I wasn't allowed to go without a 6 hour uninterrupted sleep/rest every day because of peace time regulations so I'm glad I didn't have to go through any of that stuff
but I too had constant snoozes at the driver's seat every possible moment
shadow plover
1998
shadow plover
well also the game being bri'ish
sour hornet
but I too had constant snoozes at the driver's seat every possible moment
being a loader is a downgrade
no easy rest seat 
shadow plover
Leopards at least had a detachable seat that you could set down next to the breach
sour hornet
you were a leo crewman?
shadow plover
yeah
shadow plover
been inside one but nah
sour hornet
leopard 2 gun automatically leveling for easy loading pisses me off
I want it and I can't have it
plush mason
damn CA done put a few TW content creators in TWWH3
shadow plover
also the driver had a lot more modern dash
sour hornet
first time I saw that shit I went "fucking germans"
shadow plover
yeah Okii had one character this patch
also there has been a couple other prior I believe
plush mason
as does Cody Bonds and Great book of Grudges
sour hornet
canucks getting their one (1) w of the decade
plush mason
in fact they are 2 lords you start next to in Golg's campaign lol
shadow plover
Nice
shadow plover
canucks getting their one (1) w of the decade
Also not a canuck, not sure which Leo variants they have but we had 2A4s and 2A6s, I was a 2A6 crewman
sour hornet
Canadians are A6 users as well
just got them somewhat recently
anyway
what fucking caliber is this
they got a reject out here fighting nurglites with 7.62 ball ammunition
istg
when brunt comes back I'm gonna tear him a new one
shadow plover
looks larger than a 7.62 tbh
a "long 8.25" is thrown about often when autogun calibers are mentioned
6.2kg, these are fucking massive 😭
plush mason
6.2kg, these are fucking massive 😭
that thing would suck to lug around all day
shadow plover
very much so
plush mason
ngl it might be a bit of a blessing that the guard favors more static styles of warfare given the weight of a lot of their kit
shadow plover
lasguns on the other hand are quite light, just one is listed for a shorter barrel version but it's 2.3kg
arctic talon
Practicality
shadow plover
To put into perspective, notoriously heavy rifles like the SA80 (4.98kg) and FN FAL (4.25kg) are both lighter than the Agripinaa autogun shown above
sour hornet
yeah, the agripinaa weighs 2 kg more, and still has shitty recoil
they should replace that bigass muzzle break with a compensator
queen laurel
so there are hobgoblins,goblins and gnoblars
yes they are but, as of AOS the being a Hobgoblin is an honor held by Hobgrots
they are bigger than your average
Grot
plush mason
yes they are but, as of AOS the being a Hobgoblin is an honor held by Hobgrots
ngl that looks very dnd to me
queen laurel
ngl that looks very dnd to me
well to be fair this image is from the table top rpg for AOS
plush mason
ah
opaque coyote
6.2kg, these are fucking massive 😭
Honestly
For the enemies the Imperium fights
It's still underwhelming
Jokes aside though
shadow plover
weight of the weapon doesn't correlate directly to the ammunition used though