40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

yeah this game can be quite fucked

It also doesn't help that it does not have a lot of guides because it's not that popular

let me tell you looking for weapon infos and item Infos is borderline impossible

[tough haven]

Tell him that his rogue trader demands him to get up, and that if he doesn’t, there will be no one to announce yku

[tough haven]

Rocket tag

[coral turret]

he did convince them eventually

still trying to convince the other he isnt a slave though

[tough haven]

I’m doing a GD unfair run rn and avoiding broken combos

[tough haven]

Fucking how

In what system?

[coral turret]

i dunno, i dont know the game

[tough haven]

Humans are literally cattle to dark eldar

They simply could not give less of a shit about you

[coral turret]

well he did it somehow

[tough haven]

I love the line in rogue trader where Abelard chides Marhazai and calls him a “young man” lol

[tough haven]

Sounds like a seduceomancer bard power fantasy type thing

[plush mason]

tbf the drukhari comp isnt really in a position to object if you recruit him

||a fallen dracon of a kabal you ruin and he helps you to do that||

[tough haven]

Oh we’re talking about in RT he did this?

[plush mason]

i guess

[coral turret]

yes

[tough haven]

I mean yeah, you can fuck marhazai, but he will slaughter your crew, poison you, constantly try to get you killed, and mess with your party

It’s not a loving relationship lol

[coral turret]

well he insisted on it

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/marazhai-aezyrraesh-good-night-gore-blood-guts-gif-4704353781869758503

[tough haven]

Also I hate to break it to your friend but I think you can only romance one character, and also yrliet will barely give you the time of day, even when you romance her, it’s a super ace relationship, which is cool, but also kinda anticlimactic

[queen laurel]

i always cave in his head

[tough haven]

Yeah I kill him instantly, nothing good will come from having him aboard

[queen laurel]

it's literally just friendship nothing more nothing else

[plush mason]

i recruited him just to get the achievement lol

[queen laurel]

which by eldar standards the fact that she was willing to become friends with you is already pretty much the highest praist you can get

[tough haven]

Yeah, which is practically the best you can get between eldar and humans

Jinx

[plush mason]

the one to turn in the unsactioned psyker and the 2 xenos to the inquisition

[tough haven]

Good man

[queen laurel]

You might be stopping me from talking but you're not stopping my fists connecting to your jaw

so i still win that exchange

[tough haven]

Bro I’m not actually jinxing you lol

[plush mason]

you actually get some decent buffs for it too

[tough haven]

Oh there’s a reward?

[plush mason]

yeah

[tough haven]

I thought it was just a way to get rid of characters you don’t like or get free dogmatic

[plush mason]

that too

[tough haven]

What’s the reward?

[plush mason]

character buffs specific to the ones you turn in

like Idria gives you a damage buff against psykers

i cant recall what the other 2 give off the top of my head

i think 1 was dodge chance and as i was a bladedancer with light armor that was a big buff

@queen laurel holy crap you wherent kidding, there is like no guides or info out there for rogue trader

[queen laurel]

yeah when i just fired up the game and like open up some cheats let me tell you the weapon list they have is absolutely garbage

i had to manually search for the things i want by actually learning the game

And I have an extensive screenshot collection of the items i want to put on my character

and companions

[rose thorn]

I thoguht thr kruleboyz story was the stink of feet

[queen laurel]

mags

i have faith in you

[queen laurel]

but on a serious note

damn 5 of factions i like are getting books?

[rose thorn]

Short stories

[queen laurel]

yes short stories

[outer wave]

Da stink ov Da Feet

[coral turret]

honestly

prior to all the krieg releases i kinda just stopped keeping up with warhammer

and it seems while i was gone i didnt miss much

like damn

nothing but fuckin tumbleweeds

[storm jungle]

Stuff has happened, its more that the setting kinda needs to remain in narrative limbo with the illusion of stuff happening

https://tenor.com/view/toons-homer-the-simpsons-walking-in-circle-gif-7465560

[queen laurel]

they have maximised the setting for plastic crack selling profit

[coral turret]

i was talking more of the model side

[storm jungle]

Wut, we got a ton of models

though uhhh

the quality of if they are "interesting" or not depends on the person

[queen laurel]

yeah literally the reveal show was peak

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

[coral turret]

guess ive been living in a rock for too long

damn

the last thing i noticed before i checked out was the plastic mechanicus range

[queen laurel]

dude i'm not the biggest krieg fan but like

[paper haven]

Yaaay

[queen laurel]

even i have to admit this is awesome

[coral turret]

it is

[arctic talon]

Ngl

The eldar and krieg stuff was really good

[coral turret]

i havent soyed this hard in awhile

[queen laurel]

bro that's 30 year old model update was peak

they finally did it the warp spiders are free

[arctic talon]

Kandras is still hidden

In the sand

[coral turret]

the eldar one was the biggest hype tho

[arctic talon]

Bro is the sneakiest of the Phoenix lords

[coral turret]

the build up was huge

[paper haven]

I like the hors

[coral turret]

2 morbillion years of no renewed models

hor

s

[queen laurel]

OK yeah how long do you think until he will get updated

he's so sneaky that he sneak through the updates

[arctic talon]

End of edition event prolly

[arctic talon]

Tbh we’ve had eldar updates 3 editions in a row

[queen laurel]

you know what that sounds like a good bet

[arctic talon]

They just finally got around to doing the aspect warriors

[coral turret]

bro got a cock head

[paper haven]

Very green

I just noticed that Eldar models sometimes have crab claws. Is that why slaanesh daemons also have crab claws?

[coral turret]

i think its the other way around i think

[rose thorn]

It’s so funny to me that the people warhammer codexes and rule books have a players code

[storm jungle]

Its a scorpion lmao

[storm jungle]

Its just scorpions

because.. you know, scorpions got pincers

[arctic talon]

It’s just their power fist version

It’s like a scorpion pincer

Yeah

[rose thorn]

It’s the rules to not be an annoying bastard

[storm jungle]

they do have actual powerfists

[coral turret]

wait i thought it was a dragonfly

[storm jungle]

that arent pincers

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Wait

Do they

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do

[arctic talon]

Wait nvm I’m mixing up weapons

I forgor

[paper haven]

Too late I've already made a r/40k lore post

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Basically as back as rogue trader they had powerfists that were like mini-gauntlets but uh they have never been updated to have any on their actual models, tho it has been mentioned in books and still exists at least lol

[coral turret]

i see some predator influences now

damn thats actually sick

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm pretty sure the scorpions are basically Yautja

[paper haven]

Except smol

[storm jungle]

Its the dreads and stuff yeah its great

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[storm jungle]

their entire job as a temple is to basically be Predators too lol

[arctic talon]

I’m surprised the scorps didn’t get dreads

Only Kandras did

Or I guess

[coral turret]

eldar designs are genuinely timless

[arctic talon]

The exarch has them

I think

[storm jungle]

Jes Goodwin magic at work

[storm jungle]

They all do

Exarchs get more dreads

the regular scorps get dreads coming out of the top of their helmet

[arctic talon]

They’re short

Smh

[storm jungle]

Die.

[coral turret]

short!?

[storm jungle]

you heard me azumgi

[queen laurel]

yeah they have dreads

[arctic talon]

Pull on it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one of their unique design aspects

[arctic talon]

Ngl I just thought it was the mandi blasters

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

Fuck you auto correct

I don’t even like Star Wars that much

💀

[tough haven]

Anyone got artwork for like abandoned hab blocks, etc?

[storm jungle]

Uhh hold on

time to open my pic archive

[shell mason]

ayo?

[coral turret]

what did you reach into your abandoned hablocks file?

[tough haven]

These are perfect actually, thank you

[queen laurel]

can you get me the most banger of your ork pics

[storm jungle]

No worries

[storm jungle]

I got an official artwork folder for General Scenery/Interior Scenery stuff so it was in the latter

[tough haven]

I too would like this Also, ganger stuff would be neat

Just for funsies

[storm jungle]

Coming right up

[coral turret]

where do you find these anyways?

never seen these

[queen laurel]

FUCK YEAH

[storm jungle]

Rulebooks, Codexes, Warhammer Community Posts, Blogs, White Dwarf, etc, almost any kind of thing GW posts with images on it

[queen laurel]

time to save these shit

[storm jungle]

Orks are at their best when they are just shown as an unending horde of monsters imo, love their artworks

[coral turret]

this shit is PEAK

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

yeah i love two things about them, showing them as a unrelenting horde and showing them as monsters compared to like an average human

and funny thing is this guy is still relatively speaking not that big

[coral turret]

admit it you like the dead ultra in the background

[storm jungle]

Oh shit i didnt even see him

he kinda mixes into the hammer silhouette

[queen laurel]

honestly i cannot blame you

Because it took me a while to notice it too

[plush mason]

you would think the backpack would explode

between the ammo and whatever the fuck they use as a power source

[coral turret]

its not like they are ever depicted consistently anyways

[plush mason]

true

[coral turret]

even in the rogue trader days they would swap between ideas of it being a jetpack or just a regular powerpack

[storm jungle]

Tried to go for non-necromunda as much as possible but 2 snuck in there, theres barely anything else lmao

[tough haven]

That’s fair, necromunda is THE ganger planet, after all

[young pecan]

This guy out here absolutely racking up points for friendly fire

[storm jungle]

Homie is on a ROLL

[opaque coyote]

WAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHH

[opaque coyote]

Friendly Fire is just eliminating the competition before they become competition

To be honest it makes sense

I mean they are robots made out of malleable metal

Gender might as well just be equivalent to getting a haircut for them

...

Maybe I should sell my soul to the star gods.

[rose thorn]

Yee necrons are one of the queerest factions in the game

Old gay couples

Trans queens

[plush mason]

if that is about the infinite and divine, i fully agree with the assessment

[rose thorn]

It is and also the other old gay couple

[opaque coyote]

Mfs hate seeing a queen do her work

(vaporize an entire planet)

[rose thorn]

Zahn and obyron

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I always thought Polyamory would be popular for Necrons.

Mainly because y'know

The fact that their life spans are short

And also people were sent out to die endlessly

[hasty coral]

The only thing about Orks is

They are a little too Khrone adjacent for me

While they are different

[opaque coyote]

I mean they also do enslavement

[hasty coral]

The whole FIGHT ALL THE TIME

Shtick

Kinda gets overlapped

[opaque coyote]

With Khorne?

[hasty coral]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

70% sure there is

[hasty coral]

Khrone is also about blood, honor, and melee combat

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, Orks also have a society unlike Khornates who 85% of the time just murder

[hasty coral]

But the crux of him is VIOLENCE AND FIGHTING

[opaque coyote]

They have a money system

Bars

[hasty coral]

Which is the same with Orks

[opaque coyote]

Food

[hasty coral]

Also why they are better

[opaque coyote]

Etc.

[hasty coral]

Orks are better Khrone

I said it

[sacred ginkgo]

All of the violence from the orks goes to gork and mork

[hasty coral]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's also why I find things like the Blood Pact interesting

[hasty coral]

It’s still just a bit too overlapping for me

But

Both are still cool

So

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[hasty coral]

It doesn’t matter all that much

[opaque coyote]

Funny thing is that Red and Green are complementary to each other on the color wheel

Food for thought

[arctic talon]

They should make 40k orks more interesting by adding the whfb part of orcs where they flung literal shit at people

/j

[opaque coyote]

Isn't that Ogres?

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

Huh

Thought they would fling shit also tbh

[young pecan]

What are some of the canon Ork mass belief = reality moments?

I don't actually know of any in the writing

[storm jungle]

Its mostly psychic phenomena and making their tech work as psychic-ducttape

Like violent green storms, a giant green fist crashing down from the sky by an ork brainboy etc

[arctic talon]

Weird boyz harnessing the WAAAAGH field tbh

[storm jungle]

im sure you can find some abilities on their codexes too

[young pecan]

I think I remember TWH3 having a spell like that fist thing

That was cool

Are the paint color beliefs canon to any degree?

[storm jungle]

ıt also had a foot

[paper haven]

Stomp

[arctic talon]

They have mild benefits in universe but generally speaking it’s a chicken and the egg situation

Where a vehicle painted red has an ork obsessed with making it go fasta

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Psychic_Powers

Found it

Yeah about what id expect, mostly just your usual magic tricks but more devastating

[rose thorn]

Favorite AOS spell

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ludacris-stomp-af1-air-force1-big-foot-gif-16260191

[tough haven]

Basically just allowing their shit to work the way they think it should, but it can’t be anything entirely outlandish for them. And to a very minor extent, their resilience and ability to be just pieced back together very easily. But that’s largely in part due to their biology.

[young pecan]

Funny Fungi Fun Guys

[tough haven]

The psychic gestalt also gives orks a lot of their natural “cohesiveness” and instinct among the chaos of war and just Ork lifestyle, being able to recognize who is in charge or more orky, or a mek just knowing which gubbins to put together to make a smasha gun or a imperial tank work

[gray umbra]

I remember watching the age of reckoning trailer where they flung goblins at the battlements

[plush mason]

so can normal ork boys become nobs or are they special thing like the meks and weird boys

[gray umbra]

Shit was awesome

[arctic talon]

They can become nobz

It’s just an age + growth thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah any ork can become any rank/unit

Orks never stop growing/gaining power/XP as long as they live and keep fighting

[plush mason]

thanks

[umbral kraken]

here's hoping the orks never get a god emperor of orkkind

[plush mason]

isnt that basically Gazgul?

like he basically has his own astranomicon iirc

[storm jungle]

Orks dont really need a figure like that because they already consider themselves at the "peak of it"

[umbral kraken]

I'm a gigantic Warhammer noob so idk. from barely looking at the wiki he seems like a prophet for gork and mork which apparently are ork gods

[storm jungle]

Yeah and Gork and Mork are very much real too

Orks get reincarnated and get all sorts of powers from them

[coral turret]

personally im more of a mork guy myself

i find his ways very agreeable

[young pecan]

Another common ork W

No genetic lottery bs

[tough haven]

Then you’ve come to the right place!

[tough haven]

Mork fans when gork bashes yer teef in

[crystal forum]

manwhoring usually works for me

[tough haven]

Cool and all until the target isn’t into men

[coral turret]

and how would you know

[tough haven]

When it doesnt work

[plush mason]

that made me laugh

also i wonder which god Konrad would have ended up serving if he had lived

[raven stone]

That was my reaction too

If Konrad lived...well, might be just generic undivided.
It's a shame that Blizzard holds the rights to Diablo

Y'know, the Lord of Terror and all.

[plush mason]

yeah undivided makes the most sense, he doesnt really fit with Khorne or Slaanesh

the 2 gods he fits the closest to

[plush mason]

the lord of night is a better title imo

and ofc it spawned one of the best lines in 40k ave dominus nox

hail to the lord of night

[shell mason]

sup nasty nerds

[raven stone]

Oh, I meant Konrad might have ended up being aligned with Diablo the Demon
Since Diablo's actual title is Lord of Terror.
Ave Dominus Nox is cool AF, yes.

but nothing like Hydra Dominatus

[shell mason]

Curze is dead Konrad

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh or undivided

He enjoys torture way too much

Like way way way too much

And he’s over obsessed with it

[raven stone]

Also, now for a real nerd moment

The cries

"Hail Hydra" and "Hydra Dominatus" echo each other perfectly

[shell mason]

he's been dead for like many many many year

[shell mason]

ok cobra commander

[raven stone]

Ye we were chatting about a hypothetical

[plush mason]

oh he enjoyed it?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Lol

Explicitly so

He really liked torturing and delivering “Justice”

Curze was ripe to fall to slaanesh

[shell mason]

chad shit

nah

khorn

[plush mason]

i always thought it was that weird pragmatism stuff, but i guess that was just the rationalizing of a madman

[arctic talon]

Khorne makes no sense

Khorne doesn’t have you sew a bunch of flayed bodies together to make a floor of them

While they’re all still alive

And screaming and moaning in pain

[shell mason]

Kol Rakhul says other wise

[plush mason]

yeah Slaanesh makes the most sense for him then

[shell mason]

along side the other lot that was slowly getting corrupt by a khorn daemon

[raven stone]

It's canonically a mixture of all of the above.
Konrad himself is sadistic, but at the same time.
Nostromo is basically Gotham on crack without the Drukhari physical torture/mad science side.

[opaque coyote]

Gork fans when Mork krumps yer nose

[opaque coyote]

Basically, Konrad ""learned"" that the only way to lessen the rampant amount of crime, rape, etc. was to make compliance the only option that lets you keep your skin.

And so he became sadistic as a result.

Also he got assaulted constantly by visions of a dark future.

[paper haven]

Didn't help that he really, really didn't know any alternatives

[opaque coyote]

He was basically raised alone

With the streets as his only company

"Crime ran mostly unchecked, depression was inescapable, and overpopulation was kept in check more by suicide than by any other measure."

Kinda fucked to imagine like

being a kid trying to survive

only to see somebody jump off of a roof and die

and you see it daily

[low gazelle]

Hello lore chat

[paper haven]

Hey good timing

[tough haven]

I mean, technically speaking, it does, in fact, lessen crime

[opaque coyote]

It did.

Until the night lords left, then it increased lmao

[tough haven]

Automate the process

[opaque coyote]

So true

Gotta get gun servitors

walk the streets

auto flaying procedures

...

actually the Imperium probably would have an automatic flaying procedure

[tough haven]

Arco flagellants roaming the streets

[opaque coyote]

Perfectly horrifying

[soft thunder]

is that symbol on the outside of Gloriana like the Motive Force symbol or something? Pretty sure its the same as on the technoarcheologist tabard/apron

[opaque coyote]

Why do they all have the same pose for the second photo

It looks funny to me idk why

Looks like he's about to bust a dance move

[soft thunder]

ya electropriests need some love. I'd add a tiny amount of zappy lightning and ya mess w/ the posing/bases

[coral turret]

electro priest are weird

you dont see anything like them within there own army

[arctic talon]

they're one specific subcult of the mechanicus tbf

[queen laurel]

are they basically like, powerwise, the mages of the cult?

[arctic talon]

no

they shoot electricity/drain electricity depending on if they're Fulgurites or Corpuscarii

Fulgurites believe no one else should have electricity

Corpuscarii belive everyone should have as much electricity as they want until their eyes boil and flesh melt

[queen laurel]

i see they are very nice

[arctic talon]

What

if you can't handle the tears of the omnissiah

you don't deserve the gift of electricity

smh

the tears of the omnissiah refers to how new electropriests usually have their eyes melt out

[queen laurel]

and the tears are liquefied eyeballs

lovely

[arctic talon]

Also the lowest rank of electropriests are naked

they get more clothes as they go up in rank

or rather they're allowed clothes

[queen laurel]

so these guys are walking batteries and guardians?

They see you not doing something they like they gonna electrocute you or something

[arctic talon]

yeah

they also do wiring and stuff

[queen laurel]

ohh i see

they basically handle just about every matters of electricity

[wintry scarab]

Btw, did that new darktide update come out? Havent seen anything about it yet but i thought it came out on the 1st?

[dapper gyro]

3rd

[queen laurel]

it's december 3

[wintry scarab]

oh

[raven stone]

Tomorrow will be the day.

[queen laurel]

dils what's a Votaan's equivalent of an engineer

[storm jungle]

the one with the name that sounds like you are having a stroke

hold on

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Brôkhyr

[queen laurel]

hmm they look cool but they are no Endrinmaster

[queen laurel]

and from my guest these are the slayers

[storm jungle]

Something like that yeah

[queen laurel]

alright i'm gonna be honest AOS wins the dwarves department on this one

like i still forget that they are a faction

[shadow plover]

I like most of AoS but the dwarves don't really hit it for me

Votann I do enjoy quite a bit

[queen laurel]

I think the reason why I often forget them is because GW hasn't really helped them be more mainstream compared to the other warhammer factions

Like I forget that GW added this new faction because they don't really you know add more things to them

[storm jungle]

Its VERY hard to beat the Kharadron

[queen laurel]

yeah that is true

[queen laurel]

Brokk Grungsson especially

this man don't miss

[storm jungle]

the top hat 😭

[queen laurel]

his face has i kid you not

two mustache-mounted Aetherblasters

[storm jungle]

its for stylepoints ofc

[queen laurel]

for real

[plush mason]

some damn new arc line level shit right there, love it

[plush mason]

so they worship the motive force as the highest part of the trinity right? is there an equivalate sect for the ommnissia and the machine god?

[coral turret]

updates coming soon guys

can you believe it guys

grim protocols

just a day away

[plush mason]

bah i can literally hear that video when i read that, lord help me the brain rot is real

[coral turret]

:3

[raven stone]

And, sadly potentially, all the on release bugs too

But I do look forward to that Great Powersword for Zealot

Might actually get me to play that class for real!

[rose thorn]

AMERICA DWARF MENTION

[rose thorn]

Fun fact it’s a gun

[rose thorn]

And his mustache is a gun

[rose thorn]

Oh you already mentioned it

[rocky gale]

New Dark Angels detachment look pretty dope

[dusk patrol]

It’s a very nice set

[rocky gale]

Core idea seems to be using Deathwing to teleport in and engage enemy’s in close range and then charge them with Ravenwing

[dusk patrol]

Damn

He’s got his own back

[rocky gale]

I didn’t notice this before but 30 new detachments

[queen laurel]

yeah was talking about how i like them very much

[rose thorn]

DARK ADMEHC BABY

[dusk patrol]

It’s not dark mek

He’s a heretek

[queen laurel]

a necromunda heretek huh

[dusk patrol]

Not exactly a rare flower there

[rose thorn]

Fake

Fair*

[rose thorn]

My bad </3

[queen laurel]

no worries

[storm jungle]

Its based on david gallagher art too, very based

though no punch-dagger which is gay

[steady dawn]

Are those gun fingers or claws?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[tough haven]

Not exactly no

[tough haven]

Love the little homunculus guy

[dapper gyro]

Eh, the push dagger is right only the side of his face on his hand.

[storm jungle]

Oh lmao

yeah i was ingame didnt look fast enough

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rocky gale]

Heh GW is set to join the FTSE 100 (top 100 most profitable publicly traded company in UK)

[rose thorn]

Holy shits it’s an early league of legends skin

[storm jungle]

Not wrong....

[rose thorn]

It’s just a Jarvan skin lmao

[rose thorn]

This would make a good arch knight for cities

[arctic talon]

Heretek representation

[storm jungle]

To be fair the Old World minis are basically playdough

[rose thorn]

Fair

[hallow saddle]

feel like pure shit just want the warcom rss feed back

[rose thorn]

I hope warcry 3 gets revealed this December

Or at least a new warcry box

I’m still surprised how big the AOS reveals were, they had old world first on the promotional material so I thought this was gonna be an empire focused update

But empire just

Didn’t get an update lol

It’s the same models

Was hoping for new empire wizards tbh

[opaque coyote]

...

So religion is better since Sigmar doesn't really discriminate

[celest dome]

That's kinda wrong though, for the Stormcast

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think Sigmar ascends like

[celest dome]

You just have to go down swinging, not necessarily be pious

[opaque coyote]

Any human who fought bravely against the enemy of man

[green loom]

Or just really hates chaos

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I remember there being a story of a little girl becoming a stormcast

She couldn't recognize herself because her face mask was supposed to be her

...as an adult

Which is a bit depressing

But also slightly heartwarming weirdly enough

Since Sigmar by proxy is trying to give her the adulthood she never got to live out

[green loom]

Sometimes not even that considering this guy is a former chaos warrior as well as Blacktalon

[opaque coyote]

Sigmar is based beyond belief tbh

Sigma male?

Try Sigmar male

[rose thorn]

Absolutely based

[opaque coyote]

Bad jokes aside I do think both the stormcast and Space Marines showcase both of their respective God's uh

"personalities"

One is genuine. Somebody who cares about humanity

Keeping their personalities intact

And genuinely heartbroken whenever they die because that means a part of their soul just

Goes aways

The other is pragmatic and cold. These are children abused and turned into fodder against the enemies humanity.

Their personalities, their dreams, everything?

Gone to the cold machine that is the Imperium

This cruelty backfired on the Emperor also. Having a good portion of them betray the Imperium primarily due to following their genefathers

Even though they are powerful. A lot are still children following their fathers blindly.

Even into an inferno they can't drag themselves out of

[green loom]

Anyway here's some warhams content

https://youtu.be/Fr5Gg_R_wDA?feature=shared

[queen laurel]

hell being kind is enough

[opaque coyote]

And also making sure to at least fuck over some poor chaotic bastard

Stab em in the eye!!!

Crotch kick them, for that is gender neutral

Well kinda

[tough haven]

damn thats cool

[steady dawn]

Why aren’t catachan considered mutants or abhumans?

[queen laurel]

because they don't have traits that can be considered in the realm of mutants and abhumans

they still look like buff humans

[steady dawn]

Each one is massive and damn near supernatural senses tho

[queen laurel]

yeah they don't have extra limbs, don't have abnormal traits they are still humans just super buff

[steady dawn]

I suppose so

[queen laurel]

they are just like what basically the peak human physique can be in warhammer without genetic alterations and stuff

Every person in warhammer is capable of reaching catachan physique should they train

[steady dawn]

Can they? I thought their height is a consequence of their planet’s gravity (even tho higher gravity should make them shorter, but tbf warhammer is more future fantasy)

[queen laurel]

No their planet isn't that special it's just that the environment causes them to train that much

[steady dawn]

Huh good to know

[queen laurel]

If you live in a planet where giant scorpions that can throw tanks are pretty common you would be very buff through training how to run away from it and kill it

[arctic talon]

They look like normal humans and fall within what is "normal" for humans in 40k

[queen laurel]

^

[dapper gyro]

Not just the look, they also live and act like normal human.

There are other sort of "abhuman" that look like human, but they don't think like human.

[dusk patrol]

They can also reproduce fine with normal humans

[dapper gyro]

Catachan doesn't even need to be from the planet, as long as they can prove themselves to be able to live and thrive there.

Some abhuman can reproduce with "normal" human

[tough haven]

such as?

[celest dome]

Abhuman are more so a political status than Genetic

[opaque coyote]

Also the standards "normal human form" is quite lenient.

Well in our point of view anyways.

Like you can probably have like

7 toes on one foot
Visible tumors from radiation poisoning

3 fingers on one hand due to two being chopped off from a work accident

Just as long as you look generally human and have a

normalish set of features

You're fine

Things like skin color depends on the planet. Like Voidborns are generally discriminated in some planets

Due to them being pale af from literally never touching grass

Unless if the ship had a garden idk

Also Nocturne has rampant racism

Probably some other planets but I can't be bothered to remember

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704847575970349106/1303928417523335249/ezgif-4-1a549259a9.gif

It depends(tm)

[tough haven]

I'd like to see someone try to discriminate a catachan

you'd be dead so fast

[opaque coyote]

Considering their skin is literally stated to be as strong as flak armor

They're cooked

Unless if it's like a SM

Then they have a chance at survival

[dusk patrol]

It’s not literally stated to be

[opaque coyote]

Really?

[dusk patrol]

that’s a rule for gameplay mechanics

[opaque coyote]

Damn I guess I took it too literally

[dusk patrol]

They’re still human

[opaque coyote]

Ah yeah don't mix gameplay with lore

Classic blunder I made

[dusk patrol]

The joke is their tank top is flak armor, they just have similar stats to guards with flak armor despite being in tank tops so people make that joke

[opaque coyote]

...

Would like that to be canon for shits and giggles tho

[dapper gyro]

Navigator and Necromunda Goliath are 2 examples

[dusk patrol]

Flak tank tops make about as much sense as flak berets so

Idk

[dapper gyro]

The SM is also sometimes called mutants by people in authority like star system lords.

[opaque coyote]

I mean considering there's a Catachan soldier that literally grew so big that they casually use a Heavy Bolter

Honestly

I can believe that their skin is unironically as tough as Flak considering the amount of bullshit Catachan has

[dusk patrol]

Harker is a freak of nature, he’s a huge oddity even by Catachan standards

[opaque coyote]

The Sisters also aren't really in favor of them because they also consider them mutants

Of course they're the Emperor's Angels so they don't necessarily hate them

They just feel uncomfortable

[dapper gyro]

Gland Warrior is abhuman, even though all of them are born and grew up as human.

[opaque coyote]

Like Cacti said

Abhuman is mainly for politics

[dapper gyro]

They are more or less half assed augment of temple assassin, created quickly to fight Tyranids.

I know, I'm just saying this because the other guy asked for abhuman who can reproduce with "normal" human.

[opaque coyote]

Although I wonder if Gland Humans can even viably reproduce with the amount of drugs there are in their system

"Sir there is blood in your drugs"

[dusk patrol]

Where are you getting they’re abhumans

Abhuman isn’t just a genetically modified human, it’s a mutated offshoot of humanity which is stable

Ogryns make Ogryns

Ratlings make more ratlings

Mutants are much less stable

[arctic talon]

They got labeled as abhuman in like the 6e core rule book

Iirc

Which doesn’t make very much sense

[queen laurel]

Yeah for you to be considered an abhuman you need to be basically a mutant with stable reproduction practices

And to be honest they aren't even mutants they are just full blown their own race now they are just offshoots of us

[dusk patrol]

They’re the same as assassins or space marines frankly just a little cruder

Gland Warriors that is

[thick cedar]

I do not care for the majority of Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines or anything similar. I think theyre all one dimensional in practice and are vastly over represented

[crystal forum]

daring today aren't we?

[dusk patrol]

Controversial opinion: The heresy was too long and could have been cut down

[crystal forum]

🙀

[dusk patrol]

Much more controversial opinion: faction I like should get more books

What’s that? No I won’t buy them

[rose thorn]

Hot take, I think xenos should get more models

[paper haven]

If the fans of Space marine chapters could read they would be very upset

[steady dawn]

Idk if it’s fair to say they are all one dimensional. Like I enjoy the Tome Keepers for their multifaceted relationship with mortality and the adoption of their homeworld’s customs, albeit in a corrupted form

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/kray-tom-hardy-angry-gun-sus-gif-26727656

[dusk patrol]

It’s just wrong, there’s plenty of bad SM books but they have plenty of varied and well done series with very different character and takes on the setting as well

It’s fine to not like them but it’s pretty objectively wrong to say they’re one dimensional if you’ve actually read the books

Not to mention throwing stones in glass houses with other factions having shit books

Now if you don’t like 40k in general I get that, it’s not exactly high brow.

I think there’s not a lack of very well done and critically acclaimed series within it though and a lot of those are SM or CSM books

[crystal forum]

votaan fans are the only people who are allowed to call every faction shit (they have no books so they're immune)

[steady dawn]

But super advanced dwarves that play nice with ai are neat
Seriously tho, how has the ai not gone skynet on them yet

[arctic talon]

There’s the implication it has

In the past

Which is why the LoV don’t have an accurate history of their past

[steady dawn]

Huh, has it been explained how they work with them now?

[arctic talon]

Well

Not like they’d know it happened

[steady dawn]

Because as much as servitors are fucked up, it’s safer than skynet

[arctic talon]

The current LoV are all designer babies from tubes

Their ancestors went extinct

[steady dawn]

Oh, so that’s how it’s explained that they just weren’t in the lore for decades

[arctic talon]

well they got retroactively added in, They've been active pre M.42

they're just very active now due to the great rift

in any case they're the only civlization with Sapient AI commonly used

and they get along with said AI

[urban spire]

squats disappeared from the lore because GW was run by extreme incompetents for a time

[storm jungle]

They got one book now so their license has been revoked.

✋

[arctic talon]

Tau Drone AI while smart

isn't like

Human level smart

its like a dog

[urban spire]

there's no good in universe explanation for their absence

[arctic talon]

ngl original squats fucking sucked

[arctic talon]

LoV? they just got retroactively added in

lol

[storm jungle]

Also late reply but Marines got lots of character but absolutely just way too many slop books.

[arctic talon]

They were active post heresy

[urban spire]

no i just mean squats, not LoV

[arctic talon]

oh

Squats getting eaten is still canon

the Squats are just descendents of the LoV

[celest dome]

They lost their major Home world, now they only exist as people on Hive worlds

[urban spire]

regardless of how good squats were, the way they were removed from the setting was dogwater

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[urban spire]

there was an active attempt to pretend there was no such thing as a squat in addition to an in-universe explanation for how they disappeared entirely that doesn't make sense

[arctic talon]

Idk it’s whatever to me

Lol

I got into the hobby at the point where squats were a thing again in lore exclusively

[urban spire]

that's fine

[arctic talon]

I’m not that old

[storm jungle]

To be fair i kinda get it

[arctic talon]

I think it’s weird how they went about it

[storm jungle]

the guys at GW very much found the faction cringe

which is uh kinda true

[crystal forum]

i completely missed the news

[storm jungle]

they were just biker dwarves

[arctic talon]

But like they existed in munda

[storm jungle]

and like kind of a joke

now we get the best of both words with Mundasquats and Votann

[storm jungle]

🫵

[crystal forum]

but space dwarves are fucking awesome

[arctic talon]

Gav thrope book is a gav thrope book

[crystal forum]

there's like multiple games specifically about space dwarves

[arctic talon]

So good lore

Tbh

[arctic talon]

Like one

[storm jungle]

okay btu those are executed well

[arctic talon]

It’s literally just drg

[storm jungle]

the old Squats were bad

[crystal forum]

there's uh

[storm jungle]

What is it Jay

[crystal forum]

im trying to think of another one

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

LMAO

GOT HIS ASS

[arctic talon]

Chat feed him to the ancestor core nutrient processor

[urban spire]

yeah i'm not defending the original squat faction here i'm just explaining that their absence from the lore has nothing to do with a potential machine revolt in the past of the LoV

[arctic talon]

Oh

[storm jungle]

Yeah Im just saying dont worry

[arctic talon]

I’m just saying that GW kind of implied that but it’s not confirmed that their ancestors got genocided which is why they have no info

[storm jungle]

Im also saddened to say their book also reveals kinda jackshit about anything. Its very mediocre

[arctic talon]

It’s just worldbuilding for them

Can’t say I hate it

[storm jungle]

Its not tho

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

it barely worldbuilds

LMAO

I READ IT

[arctic talon]

It still does stuff though

Ig lol

GW pls

[storm jungle]

Im gonna do some stuff to you in a second

🔨

[urban spire]

also "you can't have squats in necromunda because their homeworld was eaten" was dumb as hell

[arctic talon]

No hammers please

[storm jungle]

(:

[storm jungle]

To be fair wasnt that just "we dont mention it"

[urban spire]

yeah they were deleting any mention of squats on their forums

[arctic talon]

Necromunda’s reboot had squat mercenaries in it like under a year after release

[urban spire]

like it was weird

[arctic talon]

That’s older

But yeah

It was weird

[urban spire]

squats kinda seeped back in over time

[arctic talon]

So it’s just a gav thrope book without a lot the thing he does good

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

its 50/50

He does some worldbuilding but its shit like

"Oh the stuff they drink is called Brü"

like brew, get it

:)

Or just how Kin politics are like but its just... whatever

we never go through their daily life among other shit, what annoy sme is they are LITERALLY just Kharadrons in space

[arctic talon]

Iron Bru

[storm jungle]

like down to just talking about taxing someones loot because they damaged the target they are after too much or getting a bigger payout because its pristine etc

lol

[arctic talon]

This shit

[storm jungle]

LEGIT

just missing the "ü"

[arctic talon]

Well could be worse

Could be fyreslayers in space

[celest dome]

[storm jungle]

But yeah idk if you wanna read it be my guest, it was just a super strong 5/10 for me

the lack of a good antagonist doesnt help either

[arctic talon]

Idk I have it

I’ll prolly finish it

The books fine so far

[storm jungle]

what part are you at

[arctic talon]

I’m like only 3 chapters in

💀

[storm jungle]

LMAO

CHRIST

No fucking wonder

[steady dawn]

To what degree does power armor strengthen a space marine?

[dusk patrol]

+20 Strength stat

Not clear exactly, but it is significant.

Especially since its carrying its own weight, which slows marines down a lot if they lose power to the armor and have to lug it.

[crystal forum]

not like they care much

i do find it cute that despite 40k wackiness it's one of the only settings that bothers to add a realistic power supply to power armour

[dusk patrol]

Carrying a mini plasma reactor on your back at all times is a pretty reasonable explanation.

[rugged compass]

Is there any meaningful lore on Ursarkar Creed? Not E. Creed, just the one who was named after him

🤔

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ursarkar_Creed_(Retired_General)

Literally the only lore he has

[rugged compass]

Rip

[storm jungle]

Well yeah hes just some nobody

[rugged compass]

I don’t know why I’m stuck on anything and everything related to the creeds

Ursula’ and Ursarkar both, the og one

[storm jungle]

There isnt much to him in general, hes just 40k Churchill, anything you can largely find is on his lexi page as they list any lore prompts he got lately there

the Fall of Cadia novel especially

[rugged compass]

Thank u 😄

[storm jungle]

HIGHLY recommend the book btw

it has a lot of parts with Creed

[rugged compass]

Will buy😼

I modeled and named my veteran after him lol

[arctic talon]

Kell is literally his work wife

Not even a joke actually

[rugged compass]

Based

[storm jungle]

yeah the book goes into them both a lot

Creed spends most of it depressed while strategizing and drinking whiskey constantly lol

[arctic talon]

Like Churchill but less of a dick

[storm jungle]

lmao yep

[urban spire]

low bar

[opaque coyote]

Real

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/GP-vIk2_TPk?si=64PzkED4q_h_XH2I

I love when you read Churchill's species. They're grand and eloquent

Then you hear him speak and it just

[dusk patrol]

He stuttered and had other speech impediments so it’s not shocking

[opaque coyote]

Probably was also heavily sloshed as well

[dusk patrol]

He basically just endlessly practiced his speeches and tongue twisters

And thought of comebacks and conversations way ahead of time

[opaque coyote]

On one hand I can admire that. Especially since I also had problems with speech

On the other hand,

I still can't imagine a crowd listening to his speeches and understanding them.

[dusk patrol]

Different times

[opaque coyote]

All I can say is

Most understandable British person

[crystal forum]

i can't even tell how much of it is just british speak which i dont get

[crimson zinc]

i started Eidolon and i'm loving how 4 chapters in it's just been "freaks on a road trip to terra expirence minor warp related inconveniences"

[green loom]

Holy fuck the new swords

[storm jungle]

Pure SEX

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[raven stone]

Time to start playing Zealot for real with the 2H powersword

[paper haven]

sord

[queen laurel]

boy this cult of admonition lady must be horrifying if she can backtalk wolfer like that

[rocky gale]

These new detachments have all been straight gas

[paper haven]

I... See

[shadow plover]

now if we just had a new Warrior model

fucking hate that crusty ass old model

[rocky gale]

Naa warriors are cool

[shadow plover]

Winged Prime at least looks fine

I really don't like the derpy warriors, among the largest reasons I never really got into collecting nids

[rocky gale]

Wut

[shadow plover]

because you really need them to do decently in the game

[queen laurel]

So who now owns the desperate model that needs an update award after the eldar got their warp spider fix

[rocky gale]

The Warriors are like identical to the winged prime

[shadow plover]

Winged Prime is a lot better looking though

it's the same design but done better

the age shows with the old Warrior kits

[shadow plover]

Probably still Eldar

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they still have left overs

[shadow plover]

but maybe Nids, I'm not sure

[rocky gale]

It really doesn’t

[shadow plover]

look at these and lie to me like that again

they're similar like the old gaunts

which did get updated thankfully

[storm jungle]

Look at their cute goofy faces

[rocky gale]

Most of that is down to dodgy GW painting tbh

[paper haven]

They're just a silly little guy

[rocky gale]

The models genuinely look pretty much the same next to the Winged Prime

[queen laurel]

compared to the other model ranges they don't look half bad

the fact they have held up for this long is pretty commendable

[rocky gale]

They’re like less than 10 years old

[shadow plover]

the head/face area is the worst bit

proportions are a bit wonky too

[paper haven]

I feel like, in general, the faces and heads are the worst bits on models

[storm jungle]

these old Warriors really think they are Him

[shadow plover]

exactly

[rocky gale]

You can clearly see the difference is basically just painting

[shadow plover]

well here's one without any paint

[rocky gale]

Yea the same

[shadow plover]

[storm jungle]

bro THIS FUCKING LADY

[rocky gale]

I have eyes

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-this-guy-silvio-dante-vito-vito-spatafore-gif-24638091

[rocky gale]

They’re the same

[storm jungle]

yeah for now

we are gonna pluck em out in a bit

[rocky gale]

Do my eyebrows while your at it

[storm jungle]

no

bad mini is bad, shut up!!!

[shadow plover]

they are similar yes, but the details are that matter to me

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

It was the same song and dance like a week or so before the gaunt minis got updated, "oh they look fine"

[shadow plover]

the tyranid warrior is the dollar store warrior the Prime doesn't even try to be

[storm jungle]

no they dont lmao

throw em back to the reclamation pool!!!!

[shadow plover]

off to the pools

[rocky gale]

Tyranid Warriors are probably my favourite looking models in the Tyranid range

[spare osprey]

God they gotta update warriors bad

[shadow plover]

YES

[rocky gale]

Y’all are just mean

[shadow plover]

I don't wanna be mean, I just want Warriors to be better...

all the new shit they got is great, stellar, praiseworthy and godlike

but then they just leave the humble Warrior behind like a sack of potatoes it resembles

[storm jungle]

How is wanting a unit thats from the mid 2000's to be updated mean

😭

[shell mason]

ngl the majorkill new mini is cool as fuck

[rose thorn]

Hello chat

[queen laurel]

hey mags

[rose thorn]

Yeha it’s the only thing I like about the guy, he makes really good models that look like ‘old hammer’ but good old hammer

It’s kinda nutty

How much he replicated the warhammer art style

[plush mason]

as if primes wherent bad enough as is, now they fly

[shadow plover]

[rose thorn]

Hey

Wondering when and what they are revealing for AOS this December

[queen laurel]

Same here

[shell mason]

Not bad for a Aus

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah kruleboyz have a railgun

Kraggy and sloggoth let’s you basically never fail a charge

Teleport round 1 kraggy and sloggoth

And then every round teleport monsta killaz and boltboyz to shoot then charge

[queen laurel]

Shit

That sounds funny

[rose thorn]

It got kruleboyz to 4th place in the warhammer world torm

[queen laurel]

What's the first place

[rose thorn]

Stormcasts surprisingly

[queen laurel]

I mean they sound like the perfect balance elite army to be honest

They have magic they have pretty good infantry they have pretty good monsters

[rose thorn]

They aren’t op or anything

And I don’t think they used wizard spam

I’d have to check

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they're very flexible

Yes they are an elite army but

They are a flexible elite army

[rose thorn]

Ffs can’t find the list

Best coast pairings says subscriber only feature

[crystal forum]

going to chicago, cant wait to be beaten and robbed

[dusk patrol]

Somehow I doubt you’re going to be anywhere near any of the actually high crime areas of Chicago

[crystal forum]

isn't that all of chicago

[urban spire]

it's been 40 years since the 80s chicago's

well it's not fine obviously it's still in america, but better

[dusk patrol]

Jay even at it’s worst Chicago was only ever bad in like

A few blocks no one went to

[queen laurel]

I mean yeah you can be cautious but like i don't think chicago can be that bad

[dusk patrol]

Tourists visiting Chicago acting like they’re in danger when they’re visiting downtown and hanging out with yuppies is

Always hilarious

[queen laurel]

It's certainly bad but

Just keep your eye out

Even in the most dangerous places if you do that you can be mostly safe

[dusk patrol]

It’s really not, there’s no shot he’s gonna be anywhere near the dangerous parts

[queen laurel]

You never know this is jay

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely still a failure of the city in those parts but those parts aren’t anywhere near where anyone goes if they don’t live there

[queen laurel]

Predicting him can be quite a challenge

[dusk patrol]

Not wrong

[queen laurel]

One time he's asking about military related things next thing you know he's asking about ass

[dusk patrol]

Even Gary isn’t really that dangerous anymore, since it’s so abandoned. Still wouldn’t recommend wandering after dark but unless you’re a dipshit or living there in a gang.

I know a guy who’s a mailman there and he mostly just says it’s depressing.

[scenic bolt]

chicago isnt even in the top 40 crime cities

[dusk patrol]

But it is improving at least.

Yeah the days of Chiraq are

[queen laurel]

That is something

And better than nothing

[dusk patrol]

It’s been like 20 years or something since those days

Detroit is similar, not great but improving

Lots of people who grew up in the worst era for Detroit who stayed and have tried to invest in the city

[queen laurel]

So in your opinion what is the most fucked us city then

In modern day

[dusk patrol]

Idk it shifts around, it’s often something you’ve never heard of

Some shitty neighborhood with nothing near a city

[queen laurel]

Considering how the US is

I believe that

[scenic bolt]

I know memphis hovers in the top 5 all the time for murder

and I think new orleans

[dusk patrol]

Generally it’s nearby neighborhoods but yeah

St Louis has historically been bad too

Border towns also

[queen laurel]

how's new york nowadays?

[dusk patrol]

The one good thing with northern states is the fall and winter season really kills crime rate

[dusk patrol]

As good as it’s ever been

[queen laurel]

Does it still have the Skaven running around ?

[dusk patrol]

Throughout the 90s and early 2000s organized crime and gangs got annihilated in NYC

There’s still some stuff but

The Mafia is such a non entity these days, same with the Russian Mob.

[dusk patrol]

That’s about as good as it’s ever been also

Surprisingly there’s not as many rats in NYC as you’d think

As far as they can estimate

Millions but not as many rats as there are people

Which surprised me

[crystal forum]

they realized you can still make money "legally"

[queen laurel]

It's literally one of the running jokes in New York City

that it has a skaven under city

[dusk patrol]

More they got RICOed to hell and it’s not worth it anymore with how tech has improved

[scenic bolt]

now the mob is into crypto

[dusk patrol]

It’s still a thing for sure but it’s not as bad as I thought

[scenic bolt]

unironically

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

there's still a lot of mobsters in the richer parts im sure. at least montreal has a bunch of those sleezeballs in expensive restaurants all the time

[dusk patrol]

There’s still some guys but they’re shadows of their former power and influence

[crystal forum]

oh they definitely still hold a lot of power do not be deceived

[dusk patrol]

These are guys who used to be able to just kill people in broad daylight on the street

[queen laurel]

To be honest you won't find the organised crime family sort thing nowadays to be fair

that type of stuff is quite outdated now

[dusk patrol]

Rico cases really put a dent in organized crime

Also with how digital the world is now

[crystal forum]

now they hold power through money. like most rich people

[dusk patrol]

And they lost their grip on the unions and stuff which let them launder money easier

[crystal forum]

that's probably because unions are dead nowadays

gotta love how america managed to associate unions with organized crime so now they barely exist

[dusk patrol]

Unions are still around and fine

They just aren’t owned or influenced by the mob or mafia which a lot were around cities and the like

A lot never were in less urban areas anyways

[crystal forum]

companies still break the law all the time to prevent unions from forming

[dusk patrol]

I didn’t say they didn’t, I said there’s still plenty of unions.

Also that’s what happens when public services start existing

[crystal forum]

funny how the decline is less steep in countries with better public services

[dusk patrol]

Off shoring is part of it, but the unionized parts of the country still exist

It’s also missing how I guaranteed said countries didn’t have the industries the US did at is manufacturing peak which aren’t there anymore

[crystal forum]

germany?

[dusk patrol]

What killed the unions was international trade

For some industries

[scenic bolt]

NAFTA was a big one

[crystal forum]

dont worry trade tariffs will 100% fix the problem

[scenic bolt]

technically it can, but it wont in the US' case

[crystal forum]

dont look into the fact that american companies still cant buy locally because nobody's making the materials they need

[dusk patrol]

Once again, idk why we’re getting into this here

I already hear enough of the internet peanut gallery about this stuff online, I really don’t need it here too.

[crystal forum]

i just saw news that my country is buying drones to increase border security so america doesnt impose tariffs on us. i love when my leaders beg

we're really just the world's bitch

[scenic bolt]

american checks still clear