40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

And not the Finnish

[frozen tide]

I need more beer after that comment

[storm jungle]

Bro's first time in lorechat and hes already broken, this is messed up

[frozen tide]

ngl, I expected no less from this corner of the internet

[storm jungle]

It is the warhammer fandom

Otherwise though pretty cool boxset, its older than most of the people here i think lmao

[frozen tide]

Necron warrior and Blood Angel brother shall be witness

And whatever the fuck this is

[dusk patrol]

It’s wild looking back on the old rogue traders stuff and at how much it was established so early on that’s still around

A lot has changed too obviously, but there’s a lot of stuff that was there from the very start

[arctic talon]

Ah yes chaos android my beloved

[storm jungle]

Yeah this stuff is great and didnt age badly much at all which is even funnier.

the bayonet bolters my beloved

[arctic talon]

Space crusade was like

3e no?

Or 4e

Oh nvm

[storm jungle]

the stupid goofy ahh tyranid borders at the top are so good

[frozen tide]

Show that to Google Lense translator if you want to cringe your ass off

[arctic talon]

Are the translations really bad? Or is it just cringy lol

[frozen tide]

Both tbh

[dusk patrol]

I wonder how many of those were even made for Finland

[storm jungle]

The worst part of translation is how many in-universe terms they try to translate or fuck up

[frozen tide]

Pieces of a space hulk

[arctic talon]

Man for cardboard it’s held up well

[storm jungle]

These are literal relics

[arctic talon]

real

Wonder how many ended up in the recycling bin

Because of parents

[storm jungle]

I still cant get over how parents really do dump this shit in the garbage

or like throw away entire massive miniature armies of some warhammer people, its insane lol

[frozen tide]

some of the models are FUBAR and our parents not the ones to blame 😅

[arctic talon]

Heh….

It is what it is

It’s just easier to happen with pieces of cardboard

Rather then plastic

[frozen tide]

aight, I need to put this away. It's 3am local time. Was a nice little drunken nostalgia trip. maybe I'll post more pics later. now --->

[frozen tide]

My Sister in Faith, I'm 39.
I'm the dumpster god
bow to me!

[storm jungle]

Im 31 ill get there... one day

[frozen tide]

while ur at it, let's play Darktide sometime

[plush mason]

how old is the warhammer ip?

[arctic talon]

Whfb is from 1983 40K is from 1987

[dusk patrol]

Made in the 80s yeah

[crystal forum]

i want to go back in time and kill john warhammer

[tough haven]

archeotech

So in my one shot, one of the players is a acolyte secretly working for a minor ordo xenos interrogator, the rest of the party is at least supposed to be trying to return a piece of xenotech to the mechanicus, for due to their emminent domain. And the acolyte is supposed to be investigating the party, local tech priests, and sector of hive for xenoheresy and cold trade. But what im stumped on is what type of interrogator his boss should be, should he be puritan, trying to discover and/or remove any party members sympathetic to xenos or the cold trade? (You will have the option to return the xenotech to its respective species) or is he trying to obtain it for himself? To return it to the xenos as a token for further dealings? What makes a better revealed dynamic when the truth comes out about the acolyte?

[thick cedar]

https://youtu.be/OOQkArHLhQo?si=Gvjj8uZBZ2eTVQMu

the imperium should invest into these

[rose thorn]

y'all have that content creator taht people like and isnt bad butyou just hate for no reason

Warhammer*

I have one and I just can’t stand his content lol

[young pecan]

I think these are awesome ideas

I would say take what you think is best for the story first, with heavy consideration for how the player would imagine the boss to be second

I personally really like the reveal idea of him trying to steal the xenotech for his own purposes

[tough haven]

like as in ask the player? Cause they dont really know anything about 40k

[young pecan]

OH well nm then

I think in that case a selfish boss would absolutely help solidify how much the Inquisition sucks for them

[tough haven]

Do you think they should know about this second component of this mission prior or learn of it partway through

also the xenotech is literally just a fire dragon fusion gun and aspect armor, with a soul stone in it

is that something the inquisition would really go through all the work of sending an acolyte to steal it?

[young pecan]

I'm sure any one particular Inquisition member could and would do that

Whether it's innately valuable to the inquisitor doesn't matter if it's very important to the xenos, and if the xenos in addition also have something that DOES matter to that inquisitor

Take that with a grain of salt on whether chain of command allows that to be possible since I don't know about all that

But motivations to do such a thing certainly can be there and even be plentiful if made to be so

[tough haven]

I just cant really think of any

anyone got any ideas

[vagrant fox]

Something about Weshammer does it for me

[rose thorn]

He’s just the unironically worst warhammer lore tubers

[vagrant fox]

Well there is arch

[shell mason]

Yo lore chat

Hell I'd ask witchfinder if she was around

Anyway Salvar Chems dogs kill a commissar with the name of Gezemel Von Zek

can someone find me the name of the book?

[young pecan]

Welll, who are the big players in this story?

Not like your players but the different important characters and what they want

Maybe what do the xenos who the artifact belongs to have?

[small grail]

if they made power armour wud yall wear it

[tough haven]

So basically, the major players are Technoarcheologist Durix Roth-22, who sets the party on a mission to investigate the disappearance of a tech adept carrying an "important package" (xenotech), and wants it back to study it for how xenos technology may be harnessed for humanity, The cold trader "Scrimshaw" who has stolen said piece of xenotech in order to sell it to the highest bidder, the unnamed Aeldari ranger, who is an ex-fire dragon after her entire shrine was killed in an imperial raid, and has taken the path of the outcast to track down and recover their spirit stones, and to a lesser extent, their gear. And then finally, the Ordo Xenos interrogator Erasmus Fawrin who I've previously discussed and havent really decided what I want them to be yet

All factions will try to kill the party if they dont align with their goals, besides maybe the inquisition, because im not sure if I want to encourage pvp yet, even in a twist at the end. You can return the spirit stone to the ranger when she confronts you, but if you do (unless you convince them there was never a spirit stone with the armor) the mechanicus will send a small killclade to recover the asset and also your heads, which may be escaped if the acolyte calls for extraction from the inquisition. And The ranger will obviously try to kill the party if they refuse or double cross her. And Scrimshaw cant really be allied with because he doesnt really have any reason to, and will try to kill you regardless to tie up loose ends, especially if you uncover his identity

[rose thorn]

@storm jungle literally suggested that short story a few days ago

[dusk patrol]

It’s a book I think, Shadowsword

Although I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s multiple stories of Salvar Chem dogs mercing their commissar

Might be in the Wicked and the Damned anthology too

The Beast in the Trenches I believe

@shell mason

[storm jungle]

Its a Short Story

just came out like a month ago

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/featured/eshort-those-without-mercy-eng-2024.html

[storm jungle]

Probably Luetin for me, guy is not bad but just has such a pretentious vibe.

You know its up there when people praise his content for being easy to fall asleep too lol

[celest dome]

Bricky and MajorKill have always seem weird to me

[queen laurel]

MajorKill

i don't need to elaborate

[storm jungle]

Majorkill deffo got his boat rocked after some of the shit he did earlier on

Bricky is deffo braindead tier tho

[queen laurel]

Yeah but at least he doesn't act pretentious and at the end of the day he's not the worst his content is just brain dead

Wes is also not that bad

[storm jungle]

Yeah i like brick's non-40k content a lot

[queen laurel]

His lore is pretty basic

[storm jungle]

his SM2 review is one of my favs

prob one of the only big internet people I know who actually went "this game is kinda eh"

[queen laurel]

yeah i like them as well

His warhammer content is pretty bottom of the barrel I will agree

But right now he is definitely slowed down enough that I don't even really consider him a warhammer YouTube

[storm jungle]

Yeah and i dont really care if they say its suppose to be that way, newcomers still watch his content and get ill-informed on stuff and its annoying to deal with

[queen laurel]

yep a good warhammer loretuber is able to explain the lore without misinforming everyone

[storm jungle]

yeah its why Ian is my all-time favorite

[queen laurel]

i also like Pancreas for that because he does this but when he's not sure he lets people know and he makes it pretty fun

[storm jungle]

Pancreas is really goated yeah

helps that he also basically likes every faction and also actively shit-talks the Imperium while still making content for them its great

[arctic talon]

Pancreas shit talks every faction

It’s

Kind of hilarious

[queen laurel]

Likes every faction you say to the guy that has an elf addiction

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that he also acknowledges that elves can be hilariously ******* stupid as well

[storm jungle]

He very much targets the Imperium the most as its deserved

World Eaters are on the top of the list tho understandably so

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[queen laurel]

yeah like i like the imperium i think they can be cool but like

Some people glaze the imperium too much

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the stance he holds which i agree with

its also funny to open a vid and hear him say shit like

"Okay I shat on the Imperium enough lemme glaze em a bit since they can be cool"

lmao

[arctic talon]

Embrace how awful the imperium is

It makes it way more fun

[storm jungle]

90% of the reason I hate the the Imperium is space marine slop

so i guess it comes and goes

[queen laurel]

My favorites videos of his are do or don'ts

Because it gets the faction across while being surprisingly beginner friendly

[storm jungle]

yeah also you dont often see someone list the bad lore/tabletop side of a faction too much

[queen laurel]

Yeah he knows that someone might want to play the faction in tabletop so he may as well bring in that info as well

[storm jungle]

thats how you corrupt an individual's wallet, its good business

[arctic talon]

Play world eaters

[queen laurel]

that is true

[arctic talon]

Because you can do it with a lobotomy

Same with custodes

Actually custodes you could actually play lobotomized

Army is

[storm jungle]

More lobotomized than their fanbase?

[queen laurel]

This one you just need to head butt the wall ten times and you're good

[arctic talon]

Idk

[storm jungle]

Do you

[arctic talon]

Custodes are kind of just

Stat check the army

Lol

[queen laurel]

boring

[arctic talon]

Boring ah play style

[storm jungle]

LOL

You said it not me

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

They’re boring as shit gameplay wise

Their lore is neat

[queen laurel]

playing doctor mundo is probably more fun then playing custodes

[arctic talon]

But like

I’m very meh on them gameplay wise

[storm jungle]

🍮

[arctic talon]

Idk

I like armies for the deranged

[storm jungle]

What do you know

[arctic talon]

I like how admech plays

I like sylvaneth gameplay

[queen laurel]

how to efficiently drink nuln oil

[arctic talon]

I like semi elite nonsense

[queen laurel]

so you like gloom spite as well?

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

Gloomspite are shit on average

They aren’t semi elite they’re mostly chaff with some good stuff

[queen laurel]

Does that mean that you like cities then in a tabletop format

[arctic talon]

No

Cities isn’t semi elite

Unless you’re playing aelf/duradin

[queen laurel]

that is true hmm

Fyreslayers are obviously out because well they are mainly an hard hitting melee army

[arctic talon]

I have my preference in how things play

You aren’t going to convince me

To try something different

[queen laurel]

I'm not trying to convince you I'm trying to find out what type of army you play

[arctic talon]

Oh

[queen laurel]

i'm guessing alright

[arctic talon]

Semi elite. High mobility, decent durability

[queen laurel]

i'm not some tabletop **** that's gonna tell you how to play your own army

[arctic talon]

Aggressive board control

Is what I enjoy

[queen laurel]

you bought it that's yours not mine

[queen laurel]

hmm

[arctic talon]

I like eating up board space rapidly

And then holding it

[queen laurel]

the destruction factions definitely don't have this type of deal

[arctic talon]

Iron jawz sort of

They fight really aggressively for
Board space

[queen laurel]

yeah but they're not really fast you know

unless you're running boar cavalry

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[queen laurel]

hmm seraphon are elite that have good magical game and a lot of monsters
stormcast are a Jack of all trades

daughters of khaine are

[arctic talon]

Too squishy

Very aggressive

[queen laurel]

yeah aggressive glass cannons

what about Khadron

They seem like high mobility

and they do have warships

[arctic talon]

Khadron are too slow without boats

[queen laurel]

hmm i see

[arctic talon]

Also no auto advance shenanigans

[queen laurel]

lumineth are definitely magic spammers

[arctic talon]

They’re too boat reliant

Lumineth are slow for me

Not enough high mobility stuff

[queen laurel]

night haunt?

too squishy i wager

[arctic talon]

Night haunt is neat but too squishy

I like ossriarchs for death

But they’re slow

Too slow

[queen laurel]

vampires are

a maybe

Because the ghouls that think that they are high society people are definitely out

[arctic talon]

Vampire knight heavy stuff interests me

But vampires are too hero reliant

[queen laurel]

ok to chaos then

the beastmen are out

skaven are definitely too squishy and reliant on their more expensive stuff

maggotkin can eat damage but i can probably outrun them with a broken leg

[queen laurel]

so my chaos guest is gonna go to blades of khorne

[arctic talon]

N/a

None of them fit what I like

[queen laurel]

It sounds like you have no faction that you can preferably play in AOS I'm gonna be honest

[arctic talon]

It’s sylvaneth

It’s literally sylvaneth

[queen laurel]

because tzeentch and slannesh are definitely out

[queen laurel]

yeah but you already said that yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

But like that's the only one

So I was trying to guess if you have other ones that you can play on other factions

[arctic talon]

I’d prolly play ossriarchs for thematic and asthetics

Tbh

[queen laurel]

but gameplay wise you go with the literal wood elves yeah

[coral turret]

is it true that starcraft was suppose to be a 40k game or is this another one of those fandom lies

[celest dome]

Warcraft was

[arctic talon]

Warcraft 1 was supposed to be warhammer. StarCraft unrelated but def inspired by 40K

[celest dome]

For fantasy

[arctic talon]

I have 0 clue where the StarCraft thing came from

[celest dome]

Also the Zerg=Tyranid is Zerg 1st

[queen laurel]

probably because of the aesthetic similarities

[arctic talon]

Tyranids came before

[celest dome]

Pre Zerg Tyranid were way different

[arctic talon]

But modern tyranid design language after StarCraft

Yeah

Aside from genestealers

[queen laurel]

They probably saw, super soldiers with heavy armor and aliens that are apparently better than everyone else and thought eldar and marines

[coral turret]

that would have been awsome

[queen laurel]

And well the Zerg

it's obvious

[celest dome]

Before

After
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/3/3d/Lictor_3rd_edition.jpg

[queen laurel]

Looks like something that the gang in Futurama will fight in order to like reset the time stream

[arctic talon]

Use the 2e ones

Not the rogue trader ones

2e nids was before Zerg

[opaque coyote]

The old Tyranids just kinda look like ass

Like

[coral turret]

a lot of scifi bug design kinda blends together and they all look the same, its why i find nids boring

[opaque coyote]

I get it

But they just look

Fugly

[arctic talon]

The 2e ones were

Fine

For the time

[celest dome]

They still changed quite a lot after Starcraft came out

[coral turret]

whats the other funny old nid sculp people were meming about

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

But it’s intresting to see the 2e ones

Imo

Not the RT ones

The RT ones are like ugly as shit

[opaque coyote]

Some of them do look cool

But some of them looked uh

Bad

[coral turret]

i like the color scheme of this tbh

i can see it look good on a modern nid

[opaque coyote]

The Tyranid Warriors here look uh

[arctic talon]

The 2e ones are pre StarCraft 1

[opaque coyote]

Uhhh

Idk how to describe it

[arctic talon]

It’s a weird choice to use the RT ones over them

[celest dome]

I just picked those I saw 1st

[opaque coyote]

Like a Flamingo got it's neck straightened

[arctic talon]

Old hive tyrant is odd

Shares a lot of design similarities

[coral turret]

it almost looks like its wearing clown atire

[opaque coyote]

Always thought that maybe the 2E color schemes should've been there for that one Hive Fleet that eats Daemons

[queen laurel]

so it basically went, tyranids were first than zerg but new nids decided to adopt more zerg like traits for the future

[opaque coyote]

Like they had to radically change themselves so that they could be able to eat warp stuff

[arctic talon]

3e nids are the modern tyranid design langusge

[queen laurel]

When was third edition warhammer released again

[coral turret]

never seen these before

gives me necron vibes

[opaque coyote]

3e Tyranids look cool

Although some of the gun placements just make me imagine them pelvic thrusting while shooting

[coral turret]

those guns straight up look like gauss rifles

[arctic talon]

1993

Ended 1998

Nid stuff was 1995

[queen laurel]

Yeah so they definitely got the design formula down but decided to steal a few more things from the zerg to even it out

[coral turret]

as is tradition

[arctic talon]

Broodlord?

[coral turret]

nah its from the same era as the pics previously

[opaque coyote]

That funny image aside.

After a bit of research, I think the more red color scheme is used for Hive Fleet Kronos

[arctic talon]

Yeah idfk then

Behemoth is Red and blue

[opaque coyote]

Not exactly the same tho

[coral turret]

the screamer killer

[queen laurel]

the Screamerkiller?

[arctic talon]

Oh

Lmao

[coral turret]

yes!

its hilarious

[opaque coyote]

That looks so fucking stupid

[queen laurel]

yeah but he had to glow up now

[coral turret]

ive seen it yeah

i havent eaten yet so its arms look like chicken wings to me

[opaque coyote]

Current Screamerkiller is how I feel when popping off

Old Screamerkiller is how I feel when it's a 1v5

Also is it just me or does the old Screamerkiller look kinda like a robot

Especially with the legs

[arctic talon]

Def putting the mechanical in bio mechanical

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Also huh

[coral turret]

nids barely look organic to begin with

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it is a cool idea

Problem is that they just didn't execute it

Right

[coral turret]

honestly nids just come across to me as crustacians more than bugs lol

[storm jungle]

I mean thats the point

they arent bugs

[opaque coyote]

It's the god damn CRABS

[storm jungle]

Nids also got a lot of dinosaur elements to them as said in old interviews

[opaque coyote]

THE CARCANIZATION IS REAL EVEN IN 40K

THE TYRANIDS ARE THE RESULT

[queen laurel]

yeah they are a weird mixture of crustacean and insect and dinosaur like traits

[opaque coyote]

[coral turret]

link? i love seeing gw designer inteviews because of how rare they are

[storm jungle]

Its WAAAY in an older mid 2000's white dwarf article, i only know it because a super-nid fan friend of mine shared images from the pages, i gotta hunt it down at some point lol

but its why they got the legs they do along with so many other non-insect animal elements

[coral turret]

oh sweet

[storm jungle]

they are just called "bugs" by people because they are the uh

Token Sci-fi Space Swarm Race

https://tenor.com/view/starcraft-zerg-game-gif-14715484

[coral turret]

i mean sure thats fair

[opaque coyote]

Dinobugs

[dapper gyro]

Not even Starcraft really call them bugs. Most of the Zerg units don't even have bug like trait.

[opaque coyote]

It's also why Tyranids attract children.

I mean like

They're insect dinosaurs

[storm jungle]

They still call em bugs

[opaque coyote]

That's fucking cool

[storm jungle]

its their main inspiration

it all goes back to Starship Troopers so lol

[opaque coyote]

Guardsmen be like

[spare osprey]

I read this first sentence, and this first sentence only, and I think I got whiplash

[opaque coyote]

Bruh

[dapper gyro]

Yes, the fanbase likes to call them bug, but they are rarely called so in the stories.

[queen laurel]

that's the thing with laati

read the entire sentence

when he is speaking

[spare osprey]

Good advice

[dapper gyro]

Like how in the 40K lore, it is "Eldar" and not "Elf"...

[opaque coyote]

Idk how else to word it though

[dapper gyro]

Even though we all know that Eldar is just Elf

[opaque coyote]

...

Actually probably should've said

[queen laurel]

tyranids are popular to children

there

[opaque coyote]

"That's why Kids think Tyranids are cool"

[queen laurel]

like

[spare osprey]

It’s why children like nids so much

[queen laurel]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

I swear to God why do I word things wrong

[coral turret]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-screaming-smiling-friends-i-would-really-not-be-smiling-friends-i-love-gif-25756468

[opaque coyote]

[coral turret]

grah

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-wisdom-smart-use-your-head-use-your-brain-gif-17805046

HAHA

MY GIF WORKED

[coral turret]

[queen laurel]

unfortunately Laati-Tan has about as much mental faculty as a cave squig

i'm gonna be honest a cave squig is probably smarter

[coral turret]

i dont know the context to this feud so im just gonna agree with the first person to complain

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-yamada-ryo-yamada-bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-gif-3845770541389956441

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[queen laurel]

i mean am i wrong

[storm jungle]

But thats not really the same thing

they are elves

[coral turret]

its true you know

bulgur said so

[queen laurel]

yeah they're space elves

literally space elves that's their idea

[storm jungle]

Yeah nids in comparison arent really bugs

ironically Laatin calling them crab-dinosaurs is more accurate

[opaque coyote]

Nah I'm like an Eldar Farseer.

I am so big brained that I forget what's in front of me

...and then die to the helmetless protagonist

[arctic talon]

Yeah eldar are literally space elves

Lol

Not really whfb elves though

Way too insular and isolationist

Also they literally worship khaine

[queen laurel]

yes i think the tyranids that really exemplify bug like traits are like

the biovore and pyrovore

[opaque coyote]

CARCINIZATION IS THE FATE OF ALL.

[queen laurel]

but even then you see more crab like traits

or arachnids

[storm jungle]

Im not enough of a biologist to really get into it btu yeah

[opaque coyote]

The big gun reminds me of like

A scorpion tail

Curled upwards

[coral turret]

its a penis

[storm jungle]

Also bugs dont have spines do they

[arctic talon]

They do not

Exoskeleton

Nids are weird

[queen laurel]

they don't

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Nids got both

[arctic talon]

Don’t try to assign them to an irl type of animal

[opaque coyote]

Nah fleshlight

[storm jungle]

a tail means they got a spine

[queen laurel]

they have an exoskeleton

[arctic talon]

They’re fucked up

[storm jungle]

but they also got exos

aughhh

[arctic talon]

Exo skeleton, armor on top of it, normal flesh, musculature is weird

Have internal bone structure

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Just imagining a Magos being extremely confused while studying them

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY HAVE SPINES?"

[dapper gyro]

So they are turtles?

Spine and shell/exosket

[arctic talon]

Sort of, not really

Do turtles have an exoskeleton?

[opaque coyote]

Tyranids are Tyranids

[arctic talon]

I thought it was just the shell

[opaque coyote]

[queen laurel]

they also form bones into swords

[dapper gyro]

Man, everything do indeed evolve to either crab or turtle...

[coral turret]

there was an inteview with gav thorpe that explains all of this

[arctic talon]

The sword is alive btw

Lol

[queen laurel]

i mean yeah

Every tyrannid weapon is an Organism

[opaque coyote]

Imagine some crazy mf keeping it as a pet

Well

"""pet"""

[arctic talon]

Yeah but most are parasitic

The bonesword stays alive without its host

I know for one of the big gun nids the gun is smarter then the nid

Lol

[coral turret]

could be an interesting story to write if the nids has personality

[storm jungle]

FOUND IT

[opaque coyote]

Imagine coming into existence knowing that your only purpose is to shoot acidic compounds towards your foes

[storm jungle]

Also apparently it was Jes Goodwin himself saying it

and im mistaken it wasnt from the mid 2000's

its literally from 10th edition launch lol

[queen laurel]

yeah but how would you give personality to a swarm hive mind

[storm jungle]

Bro legit goes "Nids are made of everything"

[queen laurel]

yeah because like remember they literally absorb any genetic material they can get

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

Yeah they kinda are

Makes sense given their adaptive nature

[queen laurel]

so like it's not surprising

[storm jungle]

Damn this literally goes into everything

[queen laurel]

They are like literally a mixture of like amazing traits on multiple organisms to make one

[arctic talon]

Huh

I’ve never realized it

[arctic talon]

But every nid does have 6 limbs

Wtf

[storm jungle]

yeah he points out A LOT of things

Goodwin strikes again

[coral turret]

wasnt aware white dwarf had much beyond ads and deodarant tanks

[arctic talon]

jes is the GOAT

lol

[opaque coyote]

Imagine their personality being the equivalent of just

A toxic gamer

[arctic talon]

Bro has done so much

[storm jungle]

They go into a lot of things sometimes and other times its just fodder slop

[arctic talon]

For 40K’s art direction

[storm jungle]

He invented the identity of every single faction in the game yeah

guy is a legend

[queen laurel]

shit

i see it as well

bare minimum they have at least six limbs

unless they are like a specific form designed to use something

[opaque coyote]

They lose some Biomass

Immediately begins raging

[arctic talon]

Wait thats why some 3rd party nids look so off

They don’t have 6 fuckin limbs

[opaque coyote]

Neat

[queen laurel]

HOLY SHIT

[arctic talon]

I wonder what Jes was on when he was designing desolation marines

Lol

[scenic bolt]

even the nautiloid's got the 6 thing going on

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside he’s done a lot before he retired

[queen laurel]

i get it

i understand now

[storm jungle]

To quote Mr Plinkett

you might not have noticed it

but your brain did

[opaque coyote]

My best guess

"big gun cool"

[coral turret]

i remember a jess godwin interview where he said he named the chaos dwarves god after a sneeze pun

[arctic talon]

Hashut moment

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the same with the chaos gods' naming too

like uh

[queen laurel]

Hashut

[storm jungle]

Tzeentch's name is literally "it sounded like something you'd say shooting a spell"

lmao

[opaque coyote]

The Nautiloid is probably my favorite design out of the Tyranids ngl

[storm jungle]

Khorne is just from Crom in Conan

etc

[opaque coyote]

I thought it's because it kinda sounded similar to "Snitch"

And Tzeentch is the God of lies and trickery.

[arctic talon]

Oh also the forbidden Jes Goodwin marine sketch

Of the armor type bigger then centurion

[queen laurel]

show me

[arctic talon]

He’s mentioned it like Twice on dif podcasts

We dunno what it looks like

[queen laurel]

shit

[arctic talon]

We just know it exists

And it’s under NDA beyond the fact it exists

[opaque coyote]

Artists in general basically shoot random shit towards a target and hope it looks cool

[arctic talon]

He seems to like it though lol

[opaque coyote]

Sometimes it does

[storm jungle]

Also before I forget

[opaque coyote]

Sometimes it doesn't

[storm jungle]

full interview for Nids with Goodwin for anyone that wants to read it

[queen laurel]

pin that shit

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

i don't wanna lose it

[storm jungle]

Nah its not too needed its fine

BUT you can read it now

and be smart to anyone that goes "nuh uh"

[opaque coyote]

Agreed this is pretty cool insight

[arctic talon]

Nids having hooves is weird

I like it a lot

[opaque coyote]

sigh guess I'll be like the Emperor and abuse my son-

Download button

[coral turret]

its a gem

[dusk patrol]

I just like Nids having heat sinks

[opaque coyote]

Y'know how like fast regeneration and shit is often depicted to produce heat

It's kinda like that

[storm jungle]

excuse me its CHIMNEYS

[dusk patrol]

Chitimeys*

[storm jungle]

GETOU-

[plush mason]

so scorpions have spines?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-tuco-scream-mexican-angry-gif-5645373290661721744

[storm jungle]

Bro dont ask me

my insectoid-esque animal knowledge is terrible i aint no biologist

[opaque coyote]

The Tau have hooves too

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But that’s not weird

[opaque coyote]

You think Jes just

Likes hooves

[arctic talon]

They just evolved from hooved animals

Tau hooves are weird

[coral turret]

😋

[arctic talon]

There’s like 4 different versions

[opaque coyote]

Maybe it's kinda like how humanity used to have multiple species?

[arctic talon]

I mean they’re all fire/ethreal caste

[coral turret]

i miss the old yellow color scheme of the tau, now there new mascot faction is white which is lame

[arctic talon]

I’m wondering if it’s just a race thing

[queen laurel]

think of it as like a modified organ

[arctic talon]

Tau were ochre akshully

🤓

[scenic bolt]

GW has a tendency to change up the poster child of the factions every now and again

[arctic talon]

Yeah the switch to Vior’la sept is weird

[coral turret]

GETOU-

[arctic talon]

But like

None of the named tau characters

Are from the tau sept

[opaque coyote]

Mustard yummy

[arctic talon]

I’m not even joking

[scenic bolt]

like ultramarines have been SM poster for so long but there was a time that bangles were

[arctic talon]

They’re all fucking Vior’la

Almost every named tau character with a mini is Vior’la sept

There’s like 2 who aren’t

[dusk patrol]

Well, depends on how the artist is feeling sometimes

[opaque coyote]

I am now imagining a protractor in space marine armor

[plush mason]

i have heard some call the crimson fists the OG posterboys of the SMs

[arctic talon]

They’re the original

[dusk patrol]

They used to be bigger than they are now

They got that iconic pose

[arctic talon]

It was crimson fists -> UM -> BA -> UM

[coral turret]

they also like last stands

[dusk patrol]

And they still show up a lot in art

[opaque coyote]

GW switched from red to blue team smh

[plush mason]

it helps that they look so much like UM lol

[dusk patrol]

They switched from red and blue to blue to red to blue

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar went from Alatioc -> Beil’tan -> Saim Han

I just butchered the first craftworlds name

But I’m tired so idc

[spare osprey]

Wasn’t it black templars for a tiny bit

[opaque coyote]

Speaking of tired

It is sleeping tome

Time

[arctic talon]

They were on the core rulebook but not the codex

[opaque coyote]

Gn mates

[arctic talon]

If we count core rule book

[spare osprey]

Ah

[opaque coyote]

Have a good day/night and all that

[spare osprey]

This is totally unbiased

[arctic talon]

Then it’s CF -> no one -> BT -> no one -> DA -> UM

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-stoopid-cat-game-vr-gif-10800356129691145186

[spare osprey]

But dark angels should defo be poster boys

Totally

[arctic talon]

Lol

[coral turret]

also guys what do yall think of the new plastic krieg

[opaque coyote]

no

[coral turret]

i still dont like the new helms, but you can always change those

[arctic talon]

Neat, I don’t buy any but I’m happy for the people who like them

I like the plastic krieg over resin

[spare osprey]

Pretty cool. I was confused by no new basic infantry but it dawned on me the next day

[arctic talon]

Appearance wise

Except for the rifles

[arctic talon]

Me when killteam

[coral turret]

also the horse feet on the riders make me deeply uncomfortable

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-flip-off-flipping-off-bad-finger-kid-gif-17417064

[arctic talon]

They were literal talons before

The krieg horses are fucked

[coral turret]

i mean sure, but have you seen the krieg marshall model

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[coral turret]

i only recently did

[arctic talon]

What about him

[coral turret]

its gorgous

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[coral turret]

the coat

its just

mwah

[spare osprey]

I didn’t actually notice the feet changed

Huh

[coral turret]

there a lot more big and chunky

i hate it

give them some shoes

[arctic talon]

Stab time

[queen laurel]

i actually notice it but i didn't bother with it

it is a bit weird but like it's a giant genetically altered horse made for the battlefields of warhammer

[spare osprey]

What else ya been hiding from us green man?

[arctic talon]

Official lanky marine jump scare

[queen laurel]

still better than the one in call of duty

[coral turret]

GA-

[arctic talon]

I love how evil they look in that art

The imperium looking evil is so good

[coral turret]

the dawn of war 3 one was worse tbh

[queen laurel]

I mean it's a lot easier to notice on a death riders

It's a weird mixture of hooves and bird like claws

[spare osprey]

He’s fuckin blind

[coral turret]

the horses look like bingus now

[arctic talon]

Dawn of war 3 marines were proportioned normally in art

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-gif-18888188

[arctic talon]

They were way too fucking wide in some art though

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they changed much it’s just the talons are more splayed out

Iirc there’s art from the first images era which shows the claws being similar

The model just has them more in movement and moving over rougher terrain.

[storm jungle]

Its kinda changed

it just has 1 more extra hoove-claw thing

thats kind of it lol

literally unbuyable

[coral turret]

what the fuck gw

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

With how I’ve seen people complain about some of these model updates I wouldn’t be shocked if someone’s actually complaining about that

“Omg Azrael’s magazine changed location, this ruins the model completely!”

[arctic talon]

Harkers left tit is too small

[coral turret]

ive seen worse complaints about models

[dusk patrol]

There’s been a couple lesser updates but man people get nitpicky

Especially with how easy so much of this stuff is to kitbash away if you really hate it

[storm jungle]

remember when the Krieg KT came out?

"OMG NO SHOVELS"

"OMG THEY GOT MEDALS"

[dusk patrol]

Ugh

[storm jungle]

shut the fuck up

[arctic talon]

They had shovels

[storm jungle]

YEAH IN THE KIT AS TERRAIN

[arctic talon]

On the fucking backpacks

[storm jungle]

BUT LIKE

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

THEY LITERALLY DONT NOTICE IT

[arctic talon]

No they had them on the packs

[storm jungle]

YEAH

I also legit hate how like

GW catered to that

[arctic talon]

Like the original minis

[storm jungle]

and literally changed the chainsword animation

to replace it with a shovel

because "huehue"

go fuck yourself

[arctic talon]

It was a shitpost

[storm jungle]

lmao

[arctic talon]

At least

I still dislike it

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

but like-

yes THAT

lmao

[arctic talon]

Fucking shovel

[storm jungle]

god

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

Trench club sweeps

[storm jungle]

Im glad the units got trench clubs en-masse now

[coral turret]

not sure if this is nitpicking

but i hate it when gw mislabels there own products

[dusk patrol]

There was like five of these shitty memes on grimdank after the reveal

At least the comments mostly shit on the OP but still

[arctic talon]

The engineers have a breaching drill lol

[coral turret]

like sure, it doenst matter, but it didnt need to happen

[arctic talon]

They don’t need a shovel

[dusk patrol]

It feels like deliberate omission tbh which I’m not against, but it is funny.

[coral turret]

speaking of that set, i love the screw vehicle

[queen laurel]

this

this is sad

[dusk patrol]

There was worse ones too

[arctic talon]

It’s an adorable thing

Lol

I want to hug it

[dapper gyro]

Typical Krieg fans...

[storm jungle]

its the Shagohod's little nephew

[coral turret]

its based of irl tech too

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-3-shagohod-volgin-grozny-grad-mecha-gif-755535815605271339

[arctic talon]

Oh that’s sick

[storm jungle]

Yeah screw-tracks are super based

its surprisingly not well known lol

i only learned of it WAY back playing MGS3 i assumed it was made up for the game

[dapper gyro]

based?

[coral turret]

i just learn them from chronically browing online

thats how i found 40k, unfortunately

[arctic talon]

Man I love the propaganda posters in Darktide

[coral turret]

i'd hate to see those things ride in a pavement irl

it'll make my ears bleed

[arctic talon]

Psychological weapon

[celest dome]

Joakim Ericsson
Still need his concept arts for Carnival

[arctic talon]

Shame it’s not released yet

[storm jungle]

They are definitely on the way more minimalist side but I like em a lot

https://tenor.com/view/to-earn-the-right-to-work-right-to-work-earn-the-right-to-work-the-fine-print-fine-print-gif-9576040394118700442

[arctic talon]

I love in universe propaganda

[plush mason]

the outer worlds was very 40k pilled

[arctic talon]

And advertisements

[storm jungle]

same its great

luv me prop-ganders

[celest dome]

@rose thorn Do you happen to have a lexicon of Dwarven runes from AoS (Specifically, have it for BF already)

[shell mason]

ight then

[green loom]

I wonder which dev this is

[paper haven]

😆👌

[coral turret]

i assume Che Guevara decided to get cheeky and put himself in darktide

[summer mural]

who would he be in darktide?

[rose thorn]

Do you still need it?

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Runecraft#Known_Dispossessed_Runes

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rune_Lore

[celest dome]

Yes thank you, are they no images of the runes themselves ?

[tough haven]

How much autonomy do interrogators have compared to inquisitors?

[plush mason]

afaik it depends on the inquisitor they serve

[celest dome]

Probably a long leash
Like they would have to be trusted to even become an Interrogator, but as always depend on the Inquisitor

[plush mason]

some have their interrogators be highly autonomous while others keep them on a relatively short leash

an interrogator is effectively an inquisitor in training after all so they require a level of autonomy in order to prove themselves

[tough haven]

One of my players is an acolyte working for an ordo xenos interrogator in the imperium nihilus and I’m trying to decide what this interrogators goals should be in relation to xenotech and xenos in general

Both in what would make for a more interesting hidden dynamic for the rest of the players, as they might not be working entirely for the same goals, and in what makes sense

Maybe he wants to take the xenotech for himself in order to use it as leverage to broker deals with the Aeldari later, along with finding out if the local Mechanicus members are xenarite, which he could use to either his benefit, or as blackmail material if they won’t work towards his goals or become problematic

You need all the “friends” you can get without imperial support

[queen laurel]

speaking of dwarves, i like in aos they are separated by the three facets of their society the dispossed being the old dwarves showing their love of tradition and worship of ancestors, the Fyreslayers showing their might as fighters and warriors, and finally Kharadron Overlords showing their technology and wonders it can accomplish

[tough haven]

Also, what would this acolyte need to pose as a ex imperial navy officer who now works as a bodyguard

[celest dome]

Old uniform

[tough haven]

Do you think they would still wear it?

Maybe like an old medal?

[celest dome]

Their uniform would probably be better quality than most civilian stuff

[tough haven]

Would an acolyte be told the rationale of a interrogators objectives? Or would they just be told “confiscate any xenotech you see because I said so”

[celest dome]

Case to case scenario 🤷

[coral turret]

its a shame the veteran doesnt get the 2 handed powersword

like, does the vet even have any 2 handed weapons?

[queen laurel]

no all of their melee weapons can be handled one handed

From a lore standpoint I mean yeah that makes sense considering that they would probably be carrying heavy guns so they would have very light melee weapons

but from a gameplay standpoint

it is a bit sad

also another reason they probably want to be either light to reposition properly or like i said carry bigger ranged weapons

[coral turret]

if were talking lore

there is no reason they cant use 2h weapons

you can say weight and all that

but if its cool enough i think that logic can be thrown out

[storm jungle]

Its not lore its just aesthetics

they also dont have 2h-weapons in tabletop

[queen laurel]

yeah that too

[storm jungle]

its too "medieval" for the Guard

they are all about WW1-2 aesthetics warfare

[coral turret]

too medieval for the guard, smh

[queen laurel]

literally commissars which are like the biggest examples of veterans being cool

[storm jungle]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

[queen laurel]

like only carry one handed weapons

[storm jungle]

also yeah

its always 1h weapons

it fits their officer/sergeant archetypes more

[queen laurel]

Yeah they want to have like an arm free or something to shoot because their aim is the greatest weapon

[coral turret]

1 handed weapons have main character energy

so theres that

[storm jungle]

yeah again as said above

its why sergeants/captains get em

it looks cool as they uhhh

idk point at shit

[coral turret]

gah

its whatever

new weapons are always good

anyone got any images on the new ogryn stubber?

i dont see any images on it in the in game news section

[queen laurel]

i searched Commissar art and literally

[coral turret]

😩

[queen laurel]

all of them carry a range weapon on their off hand while using some kind of one handed melee

It's quite literally built into the Astra militarum that if they're veterans or something and they want to use a melee weapon it needs to be light so that they can hold a range weapon

[storm jungle]

yeah its just a stylistic thing alas

[coral turret]

oh that is gorgous

or however the fuck you spell that word

[queen laurel]

Gorgeous

[coral turret]

yes thank you

[queen laurel]

you're missing an E

so no worries you were very close

[coral turret]

very exciting time to be a darktide fan

now that the crafting system is finally fixed

[storm jungle]

Im very jealous of people starting the game in this phase

they got EVERYTHING

we had NOTHING

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[coral turret]

i started back when the pickaxes were new

[queen laurel]

i was there when hadron was a MASSIVE prick

We were there

[coral turret]

so i was right between the transitional phase of darktide

i miss the gunner buffs of that time

[outer wave]

She was a bigger prick before?

Was it like Hallowette where Gamers got offended that an NPC would shit talk you?

[queen laurel]

no i mean in a crafting sense

[outer wave]

Ahhhhj

[queen laurel]

I was there when you need to roll a perfect stat with brunt and also roll the perfect perks and blessings with Hadron

and let me tell you

every time i do that i get closer to worshipping Khorne

[outer wave]

Yeah I remember those days

Amazing on how far we've come

[rose thorn]

And only one of these almost went extinct <3

(It’s the boomer dwarves)

[queen laurel]

change is necessary and if you don't change the world will

[tough haven]

https://fixvx.com/emwattnot/status/1862882399144542352?t=MPr_rFDS3OkUov0ZlX0o6A&s=19

[rose thorn]

Very excited for their model line update this edition

[jade holly]

And yet you needed none of this cool stuff to rise above the new players 🗿

[storm jungle]

[coral turret]

they'll get it sooner or later

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/oUzMxKl9qqM?si=rmyy-5IDZC61YVZd

[queen laurel]

oh the dispossesed gonna get some new things?

[green loom]

Tasty new gear

[jade holly]

also I’m having a hard time focusing on the new stuff in Darktide cause the finals heroes in Marvel Rivals got revealed today

[green loom]

I'm playing Foxhole

[rose thorn]

Yes it was all but confirmed

They are getting a new line

In cities

[green loom]

Oh shit fr?

[rose thorn]

Replacing the old world models

[queen laurel]

tight tight

[green loom]

What's the sauce for this

[rose thorn]

Literally the only reason we know is because we were told that the old world models won’t be available for purchase for AOS lmao

[green loom]

Since I've heard chaos dwarfs but nothing about dispossessed

[rose thorn]

But they are keeping the model rules

Also a leak saying some shit

Like how cities dwarves are getting a model line update and a new war machine

[queen laurel]

I am quite excited because they did cook with the gitmobs

so i wanna see how they update this shit

[green loom]

I wouldn't take that as confirmation NGL, the elves all have their rules still

[rose thorn]

Yes but thier models are on the aid page

Aos

[queen laurel]

can you send me some websites you use for AOS because i need

get into it more besides books

[rose thorn]

The AOS old world models cords over models stayed

With the only exception being dwarves

[tough haven]

Anyone mind helping me write a old crone telling the party about an old haunted hab block they have to go to? I can send what I got so far

[queen laurel]

shoot

[tough haven]

hab block 09-HZ-51 was once a bustling hub of activity, with a reputation for allowing abhumans and minor mutants to camp outside of the block. Eventually the block was burned to the ground with its inhabitants inside after an enforcer purgation squad had found evidence of suspected chaos cult activity in the area, and ever since, the locals believe it to be haunted.

That’s it’s history, here’s the character explaining it

[rose thorn]

Also it would work thematically to have normal dwarves and chaos dwarves release the same edition

[queen laurel]

yes

[tough haven]

“Oh that old place? Bad luck to talk about it they say…But at my age, there ain’t much left to spook me. Let me tell you the story, folks don’t often wanna hear what I’ve got to say.”
“That hab was as packed as any other one, until the enforcers decided they were too friendly of mutants. I heard they even let ‘em sleep outside it sometimes! So the enforcers block it off and torch it with everyone inside. Serves em’ right if you ask me, nothing good comes from gettin’ buddy buddy with mutants. But anyways, now people who go around there say there’s strange things happening, hearing voices, machines acting weird, so we just keep our distance.”

“If you’re heading that way, just keep your wits about ya, a few greenhorns went digging around there not long ago, looking for treasure, and one of those fools had a door slam shut and squish him flat, just like that!”

[rose thorn]

Warhammer.com store page shows zero dwarves on the cities page, we saw something similar happen when a model like got updated before

[queen laurel]

i see

[queen laurel]

that's pretty good

[arctic talon]

Oh hey

[rose thorn]

Ie harbinger of decay

[arctic talon]

dwarfs up next

prolly

then aelfs

[rose thorn]

Yeah

I hope we get wanderers at the end of the edition

I love the wanderers

[queen laurel]

hey wolf quick question

can you make ur-gold?

or is it like a material that can only be found

[rose thorn]

No

It’s specifically the shard of two gods that murdered each other

[queen laurel]

Is it at least naturally occurring?

[rose thorn]

Kinda?

It’s the physical chunks of gods that exploded across the realm

[queen laurel]

yeah by Grimnir and Vulcatrix

[rose thorn]

Ye

[queen laurel]

hmm i see then

[rose thorn]

They use to merc core for it

[queen laurel]

what about Aether-gold

[rose thorn]

That’s the breath of grungi

[queen laurel]

the ones the sky stunties use

[rose thorn]

The literal breath of him

[queen laurel]

lovely

so the other one quite literally exemplifies their god of war

the other one the god of creation and technology

[rose thorn]

I guess yeah

[queen laurel]

I thought it was like at least a unique form of chamonite realmstone or something

but yeah one of the suggested theories was apparently it was a mixture of metal dust shed from his hammer and his literal breath

[rose thorn]

No thats chamonite

[queen laurel]

lex says it's a realmstone

and possibly Chamonite

[rose thorn]

Oh my bad

I was reading trh realmstone lex

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chamonite

[queen laurel]

yeah so like apparently it seems to be a another form of chamonite

[rose thorn]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Realmstone

[queen laurel]

but it also says like again what you said that it's made by

Grungni

[rose thorn]

They are nothing like though

[queen laurel]

yeah but it's considered a type of realm stone so

i don't ******* know

[rose thorn]

I don’t think aether gold is actually considered a realm stone

Since realm stone is supposed to be the purest form of the realm

[queen laurel]

hey i'm just following what the lex says

and you can create artificial realmstone

[rose thorn]

Oh?

[rose thorn]

Whats thr 10a source?

[rose thorn]

Oh soulblunr

Soulbound

Cool

That would make a cool city fo sigmar concept

A city in ulgu that creates false realmstone

[opaque coyote]

Hello, the tech priest activated me.

Here to yap

[rose thorn]

But there’s so much fake realmstone that counterfeit or low quality realm stone it’s mixed in with the real realmstone

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s_NL5-rAgM

enjoy

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

I guess cooking it the right way involves dumping it in a promethium tank

[opaque coyote]

Hi

[queen laurel]

that's a good one

[shell mason]

.....

i just return from doing something

and see Laati

[queen laurel]

get used to it

[shell mason]

I feel like a disappointed dad

[queen laurel]

predicting his brain is like predicting where the bullet of a shoota will land

it's borderline impossible

[shell mason]

no doubt

[tough haven]

Are MIUs just wired or can you interface with machine spirits by having one and using the noosphere?

[crystal forum]

is that a fucking flashlight

that's what the alt will be?

bruh

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

should have given it to the kickback

[storm jungle]

Yeah its basically like a cyberpunk netrunner thing

[coral turret]

wait what

[tough haven]

Cool

[coral turret]

oh cmon

the fucking stubber cant bash?

[crystal forum]

the ogryn ranged weapon has a limited range tool

[coral turret]

i dont even use flashlights in this game

pisses off daemon host

[tough haven]

Are acolytes of the Ordo xenos able to use xenotech openly that they just find? Or is it something that needs to be hidden

[storm jungle]

Depends on their master usually

most imperials are mostly also stupid enough to not realise its xenostech

[tough haven]

Or is that reserved for higher ranking members of the inquisition that have the influence and reputation to protect them

[coral turret]

im sure when it comes to breaking rules, its usually an open secret that no one follows them

[tough haven]

Cause acolytes are easily replaced

[tough haven]

Maybe among other ordos or inquisition members but just out in the general public?

[storm jungle]

^