40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats another thing obvs, i was mostly meaning like sweat and stuff since its usually fine until after awhile

I legit had no idea how bad some people smell until I went into a GW shop overseas in London though when we were travelling

I REALLY thought it was just a meme holy fuck

[green loom]

I do every other day unless I've gone somewhere, which is never, so it's just every other day

[young pecan]

A concerning amount of people do not wash their hands after using the bathroom AND plant their ass on an uncovered, unwiped public restroom toilet seat

[storm jungle]

Yeah no offense im not sitting ever in public toilets

[green loom]

If someone really doesn't shower... you can tell

I had a roommate who never showered

[storm jungle]

bruh

id kill him

[green loom]

Or at least

Did so so infrequently

That it didn't matter

[gray umbra]

Sometimes u gotta do what you gotta do

[green loom]

Literally he had like

An odor

Of sweat and cigarettes

[storm jungle]

yeah

id kill him

again

[gray umbra]

Yeah i had a roommate like that in college

[green loom]

And the room we shared was like

3x5

meters

[gray umbra]

Fucking horrible freshman year

[green loom]

Same

[gray umbra]

I had to unclog our toilet

And we ended up with fruit flies

[dusk patrol]

Depending on how bad a day it is at work cleanliness wise and if I feel like working out I’ll shower three times a day but that’s not common

[green loom]

I'd get used to it after like day or two of being near him so it wouldn't bother me much

But every time I came back

The smell physcially hit me

It was so bad that my dirty peasant of a father couldn't stomach it

[young pecan]

Only time I sit on public toilets is if I must, and only after wiping plus double layering toilet paper on the seat

[gray umbra]

I always wipe toilet seats

Always

[dusk patrol]

I don’t get it, I get so paranoid about how my house and I smell

[green loom]

For reference this genius stored oranges in our fridge

And effectively turned the thing into a biohazard once they got moldy

[dusk patrol]

Should have stored the in the freezer

[green loom]

Anything you put inside would taste like sour orange

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[green loom]

The guy smelled so bad

That people were repulsed just going past him

[gray umbra]

Man was a walking nurgling

[green loom]

Like he was nice and all at least but phew

[paper haven]

I don't have a sense of smell and I can tell when I'm starting to stink.

[green loom]

I can feel it

Personally

[gray umbra]

Oh mine was nice until you tried to talk to him about that specific topic

Then it became passive aggressive posits

Post its

[green loom]

I didn't talk to him much since his one and only exclusive interest was football

That and

[paper haven]

Yeah, you feel dirty. Or at least I do.
And then I shower. You know, like a normal well adjusted adult

[green loom]

Watching the Garfield show on full blast at 4 am

[gray umbra]

Ever be woken up at night to a late night slur during league of legends hours

[green loom]

Nah he didn't play any video games

Though he did watch lots of GTA RP

[storm jungle]

jesus christ

lmao

[green loom]

Yeah it was an experience

[gray umbra]

Lil gamer word

[paper haven]

All the time

[tight stratus]

Been reading the Lexicanum up on gene-stealers.

I remember someone saying somewhere that Gene-stealers, despite being pretty much tyranid, when they take over the world and call the tyranids over they die to the true tyranids just like everybody else.

Is this something gene-stealers are OK with? Like do they just willingly just let the Tyranids kill them or?

Like how does that specific part go down

couldn't see any specifics on the lexicanum

[gray umbra]

its all biomass in the end

is how i look at it

[tight stratus]

Genestealers seem to share a hivemind sperate from that of the tyranids from what I read, and form cultures and societies it stands to reason they'd have some sort of mutual bond or emotions because of this, or I could be reading this wrong

[gray umbra]

not a gsc expert but i always figured when it did happen, whatever is driving them probably leads them to feel it as some sort of religious bliss

like some fucked up rapture

handwavey mind control shenigans

[tight stratus]

With the way the lore is written it seems very heavily based on organized religion like the one I came from Jehovahs Witnesses or Mormons coded. Living in plain site, trying to convert others in the shadows, waiting till they're big enough to go all out

So I could see the rapture theory on that

[storm jungle]

They are largely "ok" with it because at the end of the day they are given as enough autonomy as the hivemind allows while being conduits through it. Remember that Genestealers at large directly give off the psychic will off the Hivemind to its followers

SOME do try to escape planetary assimilation to form a new cult somewhere else but thats more instinct than self-presevation, it largely is a "it depends" thing

[storm jungle]

And this also depends due to giving enough room to people that are GSC fans to do their own cult homebrew.

[green loom]

Isn't there a story where the cult is released from the hive mind

And they just go insane

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[green loom]

Since you know they are actively brainwashed

Or more like mind controlled I guess

[gray umbra]

praise be the emperor's angels

[tight stratus]

This makes sense. I was just trying to envision what happens in my head. When the tyranid fleet lands, do they just crumple to their knees and let the death happen like Jackit said, sort of a mass suicide

[storm jungle]

Anything.

Mass suicide, kneel and wait to die, resist when the bond breaks etc

[gray umbra]

might vary on writer, there's a hammer and bolter episode where there's a fleeing family who manage to get onto a escape ship to get away from a tyranid invasion

turns out they're a genestealer family

[storm jungle]

they all got their own reactions to it, some are so delusional they think "this is how its suppose to happen" etc

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah, it varies wildly

[gray umbra]

a lot of the general theme is similar to like

the people brainwashed by the marker in dead space

where they're not really in control

[storm jungle]

Yeah good example

the Markers also just like the Hivemind actively exploit the human mind

since they are actually smart

[tight stratus]

The way the models are set up, where the gene-stealers have active tactians and specialization classes like traidtional armies makes me think there's more there than I should perhaps be reading into.

When I should just see them as mindless zombies by and large

i dont read many peices of media where the zombie horde is cunning and witty is what im trying to say I think

[paper haven]

I recall hearing about a story where the Genestealer cult was actually quite surprised when the tyranids started eating them

[storm jungle]

They arent mindless zombies its more that they are actively a brainwashed cult thats EXTREMELY organised.

[gray umbra]

the tyranid hivemind is extremely intelligent

[storm jungle]

Like cultists very much act like normal people

its like how you can sit with some super religious person

and they are nice, they are welcoming

[tight stratus]

This in my opnion would be the most horrifying outcome

[storm jungle]

then it starts getting creepy once they like actually get into their faith

its that kind of thing

[tight stratus]

Mormons / Jw's / Scientology / etc in a shellnut totally 😂

[storm jungle]

yeah pretty much lol

its very much that

[paper haven]

I believe the hivemind has a hold over them in some way so they don't really think about what is happening right up until the very end where the hive mind cuts the connection, they realize what is happening and then they get eated

[storm jungle]

Also yeah this.

Like we see when theres even ONE surviving member of a cult they are encouraged psychically to hide and start over

the cultists very much are "normal" people they are just brainwashed

its also very easy for them to get influence and a ton of new members because the Imperium is a dogshit place to live in etc

[gray umbra]

yeah even the start of a infestation relies on people not realizing

some people disappear and miraculously they show up okay

a little dazed but otherwise okay

[tight stratus]

I could see this happening for the more human-ish looking ones but the 5th Generation - Purii I feel like they're too far gone or in my head they look tyranid enough to simply blend in

[storm jungle]

Yeah no thats true

[tight stratus]

(but tyranids probably can just tell)

[storm jungle]

its why they are kept hidden

only "human" looking cult members go out to do daily tasks in "normal" spaces

[gray umbra]

then they proceed to procreate for several generations and spread their corrupted genes

[storm jungle]

^

[gray umbra]

and then bam you got a revolt

[paper haven]

Yeah actually the pure strain are most likely gonna be the ones processing them

Poor bastards

[tight stratus]

I bought those new goggles for psyker in the shop cause they're so genestealer esque and glow

first part of a gene-stealerish set

[gray umbra]

lol there's a lot of assets where the name for them in code is "genestealer_1_b" or something similar

[tight stratus]

Really? Thats amazing

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are from their model set

a few items actually are

Shotguns, autoguns, axes, etc

Its mostly due to them being every day imperial items so they make for good props/weaponry to use in a game

[tight stratus]

The only things im mega interested in cosmetically is anything Catachan Jungle related or genestealer atm.

Yeah Im not actually 100% truthfully aware what say this outfit is

like do they fashion those outfits themselves and the cars and bikes

or are they stolen

(cause ive not seen them outside of genestealers)

[gray umbra]

i think a lot of the models referencing construction equipment

goes for their vehicles too

[tight stratus]

I got that vibe too

[gray umbra]

but anything in the imperial armoury they can get their hands on is fair game

this guy has a camo cloak

[dusk patrol]

Uh its a Cameleoline cloak

[gray umbra]

cameoeleoeleleeioeleeine

[dusk patrol]

Fake fan

Camel Leonardo Di Caprio Lion Cloak

Camel Meal Lion cloak

[rocky gale]

Delicious delicious caramel cloak

[tight stratus]

Its kinda intresting to see the tech honestly cause its tech i'd never see elsewhere. Like this bike for example, if it is just stolen or taken its models of everyday stuff we wouldn't usually have gotten if it hadn't been in lore stolen

[gray umbra]

caramel lined cloak

[tight stratus]

Like imperial guard stuff is very military, and space marine stuff seems all SPACEMARINE BRAND(TM)

but seeing just jeeps, quadbikes and motorbikes is super interesting idk

[dusk patrol]

Silence symbol, we are make Carpel Liner cloak puns

[arctic talon]

Their gear is generally mining gear

and other civilian stuff

The cars and bikes are commercial imperial products

Weapons range from repurposed mining equipment, stolen or purchased guns, hunting gear, self made weapons

Ect.

[tight stratus]

Yeah! I think what I was getting at is while it would be boring perhaps for most, its interesting to peek inside normal everyday life in 40k when it isn't a warzone or hellscape bloodbath. (which is usually is everywhere) through the lens of what gene-stealers are getting their hands on

im not that much of a lore nut, so dont know much about how people live, what they drive etc

[dusk patrol]

If you like that aesthetic I would also check out Necromunda

[tight stratus]

will do

[arctic talon]

If you want lore on this check out warhammer crime

[storm jungle]

Yeah good eye literally everything they use is largely suppose to be industrial/civillian equipment

and some military too but that goes without saying

its why again darktide uses a lot of props from their set its pretty good

[arctic talon]

Nah the Las cannon is clearly for home defense

[storm jungle]

[tight stratus]

Got my brain thinking of a tech-priest riding on a cool civilian motorbike 😎

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

His sniper is actually a dart gun, pretty sure it’s homemade

[rose thorn]

Usually the bikes are used to survey the land for mineral deposits and scrap or what ever you can use a motorcycle for

[green loom]

Need more games with medic roles

Need Warhammer game with medic role

[paper haven]

As the founding fathers intended

[opaque coyote]

Y'know part of the reason why I like the GSC

Is because it gives an idea into regular imperial life ironically enough

due to most of their shit basically being

[rose thorn]

hey quick question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvlZsfXh_5o

[opaque coyote]

"Whatever the fuck they can get"

[rose thorn]

what accesnt is this

[opaque coyote]

You thinking they're going on that dollar ass civilian motorbike?

Nah

It's gonna be mechanicus brand

STC fragment

shined to the point where Lasgun lasers fucking REFLECT off of it

It's either gotta pray to the omnissiah everytime the engine starts

or it'll be used for servitor parts

[arctic talon]

BONE BOYS

[rose thorn]

YES

im going throguh all the old trailers

they are all SO FIRE

[arctic talon]

Very greek adjacent

like that region of the world

[rose thorn]

ye i felt like it wasnt chinese/japanese/egyptian like i was expecting

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hondo-ohnaka-hondo-star-wars-clone-wars-pirates-gif-25064615

[rose thorn]

Ossiarch are so fucking good

[arctic talon]

Ossiarchs are super greek/roman ngl

So I think its pretty reasonable

[rose thorn]

yee they are alot of things it feels

btu very very cool

[languid meadow]

Richard Reed my beloved

[rose thorn]

OH SHIT is that actaully him

[languid meadow]

Sounds pretty damn close

Yeah it's him

[rose thorn]

nice

chat i nede your opinion if this quote (and the joke) makes sense

“When I finally became of age, I had two choices ahead of me. Become a soldier and face the endless hordes of the dead that threatens this city’s livelihood, or work as a whaler as my father did. I cowarded out and chose the safer choice.”
-A Nanuletach Freeguild soldier shortly before the War of the Fourth Rib.

okay shortneed it

“When I became of age, I had two choices: become a soldier and face the endless hordes of the undead, or work as a whaler. I chose the safer choice.”
-A Nanuletach Freeguild Soldier

[dusk patrol]

What about the War of the McRib?

[rose thorn]

my city of sigmar is in a skeleton and the war of the 4th rib was one of the largest and deadliest battles in the city's history when they first encountered the ossiarch bone reapers

[dusk patrol]

That wasn’t my question

[rose thorn]

it just happened to be on teh 4th rib of the whale god they live in

oh

[dusk patrol]

😠

[rose thorn]

i imagine somoene has been murdered over a sandwich

[dusk patrol]

But I do like that name in seriousness

[rose thorn]

yay!!

food variety is very rare in my city, messing up ameal will usuallly get you socially exiled

so someone porbably has been murdered ove r asandwich

[rose thorn]

thank you uwu

[arctic talon]

Second one flows better

Imo

[rose thorn]

thanks

[dusk patrol]

When writing I tend to think of the Winston Churchill quote when writing a letter to a friend “I’m sorry I wrote you a long letter, I didn’t have time to write a short one.”

[queen laurel]

me watching as my friend get disemboweled as he accidentally ruins a patron's Isopod footlong

[rose thorn]

SkwhekajsjJjahwhdjwns

I’mma screen shot that

[echo vault]

I hope they had the vox helmet since there is someone in the trailer wearing one, but I hope there's more weird helmet variants

[storm jungle]

man i gotta watch Goodfellas again

[rose oak]

Can anyone explain Thousand Sons helbrutes, is it the injured sorcerers that get put inside, since most marines are literally just dust, and it kinda needs an actual thinking marine to go into one...

Also why does so much of Chaos use belt fed bolt guns, instead of just having magazines.

[shadow plover]

rule of cool mostly

and degradation

and TS helbrutes were probably entombed prior to the dust debacle

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Also its largely a problem of like

Chaos prior to Helbrutes had actual dreadnaughts, and well still do, its more that the models are kinda dated as fuck

[rose oak]

so they can't make any new helbrutes once they get killed.

[storm jungle]

No they can, anyway as i was saying

TSons definitely got some O.G Legionares who are dust within decorated dreadnaughts

the issue is helbrutes took to the foray as the mainline CSM Dreads, so you dont ever see them

[rose oak]

chaos can actually manufacture the odd non-hellbrute (ferrum infernus I think) which are more chaos'y versions of older non-primaris dreadnoughts, they have a split chance of being insane or not anyway.

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

its just a miniature thing

[rose oak]

I think helbrutes are just for grimdark shock effect

[storm jungle]

"We cant show actual dreads because helbrutes are the mainlike heavy-tank-box unit"

[rose oak]

MAD DREADNOUGHT

more chaos'y than just some spikey clone of the regular.

[storm jungle]

Yep. Like realistically CSM still use normal chaos dreads with an entombed pilot, Helbrutes just get more showcase because newer mini

its more of a progression thing where the pilot finally/eventually turns into a meat slop

[rose oak]

and then chaos contempters which are like mad rare in the lore rn

the only one I know of that isn't really a chaos one is the anchorite

but he's from a chaos legion, but isn't a traitor

[storm jungle]

Again its a miniature thing

especially since im sure chaos dreads are not even in stores anymore?

which is stupid but lol

[rose oak]

you probably can field them, they'd just be from an older edition.

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

but hope that explains it a bit

[rose oak]

the only named contempter I can think of in modern lore is the anchorite, and the only other contempter before that that isn't a custodian one is probably Rylanor.

[storm jungle]

There is a few chaos dreads in books who arent helbrutes

its more just they are here and there

[shadow plover]

To be frank, I don't think normal dreads have had rules for CSM in many editions

Contemptors did at least in 8th and 9th still though

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again tabletop =/= lore

CSM would still very much field dreads but Helbrutes take the spotlight as the "new hip thing"

it works better as a "progressive mutation will turn you into this" kind of thing

[shadow plover]

(they're very old still)

[storm jungle]

you're old

[shadow plover]

well not yet

but helbrutes are like a decade + old iirc

the current ones

[rose oak]

there's a ferrum infernus that shows up in Gaunt's ghosts as a hitman trying to kill the ressurected saint Sabbat.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats one

theres a few others but like asking me to remember a character from a mid 40k book is-

[rose oak]

it's not really stated, but it's not gonna be a helbrute since it had cognitive function and it's DEFO NOT a contemptor since they were kinda a run and done character.

[shadow plover]

also the very early gaunts books are VERY OLD, like the grimacing lanky ass dread era

the book where the quiet sniper dude is in the forests fighting against the blind dreadnought is at least from that era

actually no, the book was from the late 90s, that would be around the first castaferrum dreads already

never mind me

[gray umbra]

General theme is a lot of csm gear is stolen/salvaged/old and their general advantage is their experience

[rose oak]

yup.

[rose oak]

why tf does that weird crested one look more aeldari.

[green loom]

The Eldar and Slaanesh share some aesthetic bits

[crystal forum]

i wonder why

[storm jungle]

All dressed up with no one to blow....

[crystal forum]

huh

[gray umbra]

The guy on the left

What dat hole do?

I guess its to bring a whole new meaning to throatfucking

[storm jungle]

[digital bloom]

war hammer

[dusk patrol]

Good job

[storm jungle]

no

[rose thorn]

Hmm, new khrone models?

Lmao

[tight stratus]

https://youtu.be/Gn0h2860p-Y?si=ZM8Zvua2d1ZzjfM1&t=839

more thrown away books!

[arctic talon]

Yeah these are totally khornate

[coarse pumice]

Dark Eldar

[spare osprey]

I really really hope all the bare heads don’t have speakers

I need some with mouths to make my warband

[green loom]

I figure that one in particular is a ref to that one old art piece

So we'll see

[rose thorn]

It seems to be based off of AOS Slaanesh

So it probably will

[rose thorn]

Key I

[rose thorn]

Sorry I read that completely wrong

Lmao

[spare osprey]

Yeah no worries lol

[rose thorn]

I thought you said I hope all
The braids don’t have spikes

[spare osprey]

The braids and spikes I’m fine with

I just need actual mouths

Can’t eat geneseed with a speaker for a mouth

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Remember that story where a noise marine vaporized a guy and inhaled him

[spare osprey]

Yesss

Damn ol turned the man into dust and got high off him

[rose thorn]

Love when 40k takes advantage of their setting and does shit like that

Lmao

[hallow saddle]

i just fookin' love it

the head on the left being so much like the adrian smith art of the croptop noise marine

with black bug eyes

the middle head being like the classic upgrade pack noice marines

its beautiful

[storm jungle]

It helps that Smith's artwork is like the only ever Noise Marine art lol

[hallow saddle]

yeah

of that quality anyway

theres some jes goodwin sketches

[storm jungle]

Yeee i got his sketchbook Gothic & Eldritch

they seem to be using some from there for these guys

[hallow saddle]

as long as they dont go the retro guitar route im gonna be very happy w/ these

looks promising so far, these guys should be absolutely alien

[storm jungle]

Thats deffo not happening yea, that was only for that one mini since the entire point was "hey remember this goofy thing"

pretty sure these guys will be in the normal pale pink/silver or gold

[hallow saddle]

im gonna be doing purple & gold and its gonna be beautiful

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Ngl the only valid guitar noise marine is the mtg one lol

He actually looks cool

[storm jungle]

Hes really good

[spare osprey]

Fuck I love chaos

I’ve got a color scheme I’ve been dyin to try out, so I’m super excited for these

[storm jungle]

based based

[spare osprey]

Tho I need to find a good source of geneseed bits

Ik the apothecary has one

(They eat geneseed)

[dusk patrol]

Apothecary and Biles little assistant

Can’t think of any others

[hallow saddle]

mtg guitar marine is cool, but i just cant shake the feeling that using 40,000 year old instruments is like the opposite of extreme

for the guys who are obsessed by novelty

[storm jungle]

didnt the fucking uhhh

primaris medics have one in their hand?

its a lil meatball with orange spots innit

[celest dome]

Tbh I think the Noise Marines should become more like Psyker/Sorcerer, whose noise weapon become some sort of casting tools as much as simple sonic cannons

[shadow plover]

So the Apothecary?

[dusk patrol]

Shh don’t worry she’s a fake fan

I bet she can’t even name all the chapters

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

Well can you

If you can't you'll end up banned

[dusk patrol]

Obviously

[celest dome]

You survive

-# To die another day

[dusk patrol]

There’s the Blood/Metal/Color and Animal chapters

And then there’s like five others

[dapper gyro]

And then there is a chapter name after their colour, very original.

[storm jungle]

I think the worst ones are the Blood Angels

Angels (Insert Here)

Excelsis (Insert here)

ENOUGH ALREADY

[dusk patrol]

Hey now

Sometimes they use Sanguine

[queen laurel]

Hey dils can i ask you a warhammer game lore question

[dusk patrol]

Or Crimson

[queen laurel]

So on vermintide slayer Bardin isn't canon right

[storm jungle]

FUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[storm jungle]

Nah uh

the DLC careers are canon

[queen laurel]

His only canon jobs is only really him being a ranger an iron breaker and outcast engineer

[storm jungle]

the others are "we kinda fucked up but ignore them, they are alt-universes"

[queen laurel]

Yeah only his slayer is not canon because he used to be an iron breaker before he became a ranger

[dusk patrol]

They’re all canon it’s just Tzeentch fuckery

[queen laurel]

I mean he probably keep the stuff somewhere because Gromril is useful

[dusk patrol]

Lohner has seen them all as all careers

The fourth are the current canon though I think

The evolution they led to

[queen laurel]

Yes it is

[storm jungle]

Its more that the alt careers are kinda whatever

the DLC ones got the most attention and are the prime canon ones

[queen laurel]

Yeah the first ones are used to be their old jobs right

[dusk patrol]

Also the coolest

[queen laurel]

The one in the middle 2

Basically either explain something that they did in the past or an alternate version

Is what i'm getting

[dusk patrol]

There’s basically one that’s stagnant for each, one arguably brighter path, one darker path for each, and dlc is kinda just

Their prime super charged state

[queen laurel]

Bardin becoming an engineer with the somehow a steam laser minigun is funny

[dusk patrol]

It’s OP as hell too

Even just the weapons from that dlc

[queen laurel]

Cog hammer my beloved

[dusk patrol]

I like to do veteran ranger more though personally

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly i prefer him compared to slayer after a few more plays

[dusk patrol]

Especially in chaos wastes

[queen laurel]

Playing slayer and my teammates being unable to help me as i literally throw myself as a meat shield for them

[dusk patrol]

Infinite grim bomb

[queen laurel]

Like mate come on help me out here

I literally jumped in the hoard so that you guys can help me on that not sit around like f****** idiots

Very stupid move but like that's literally the entire point of a slayer

[celest dome]

Ironbreaker -> Ranged -> Ranger Veteran -> Outcast Engineer
The IB you 'play' is Tzeentch shenanigan

[queen laurel]

Then i love the fact that Kruber became a bit more arrogant but you know he's so pretty friendly

[queen laurel]

Oh great of course it is

[dusk patrol]

https://youtube.com/shorts/l5mVGHZqwus?si=u3QpIoL5TFJW4Bee

[queen laurel]

I genuinely think he just decided to like

Keep his old iron breaker gear

But no

[dusk patrol]

That path is him going back basically

[celest dome]

He went back to where he left it

[dusk patrol]

It’s the brighter path he could have taken

Slayer is the darker path

Veteran Ranger is the middle ground more stagnant path

[queen laurel]

Honestly i have switched to the engineer because i've just gone insane with my teammates not being helpful with any elites in range

And also farming for that stupid 300 axe

[celest dome]

All the 3 initial careers in VT2 are how the various U5 progressed over the 1.5 year after the last mission in VT1
And how they came back as

[queen laurel]

Dual axes are fun but come on game give me 300 already

[queen laurel]

Paths they could have taken yeah

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t help dual hammers and cog hammer are so good

Saltspyre Bounty Hunter is the brighter path, arguably, of him choosing to go his own way.

Zealot obviously is the darker one.

[queen laurel]

Yeah i decided to like go with shield hammer for engineer and grab the stagger

Temporary health

And for taking range i go with the handgun

Simple and gets the job done

The chaos warriors are problems for my teammates i ain't dealing with them

[celest dome]

Still annoyed at Necro just being a 'bad' end narratively. Like each of the U5 'succeed' to their past in the Prem career.
Other than Sienna

[dusk patrol]

Kruber the darker path is arguably Empire Knight, Huntsman is the brighter one of him embracing what he loves and leaving behind his past.

[queen laurel]

Same with rot shields

[dusk patrol]

Sienna Unchained is obviously the bad one.

[queen laurel]

But he decided to go with an even darker path becoming a bretonnian

[dusk patrol]

And Kerillian she’s an elf for all three so they’re all pretty dark

Sad to say

[queen laurel]

Yeah but sisters of the thorn seems to be quite the funny one

Like apparently it's both her best and the worst traits combined

[dusk patrol]

It’s a little bit darker than the rest

But obviously Necro is the worst one

And will likely get resolved eventually

[queen laurel]

Because there is the possibility

That it's not even sienna

[celest dome]

SotT isn't really that dark tbh

[queen laurel]

I think the brightest path went to Bardin

He became an engineer i mean an outcast engineer but he did something he loved

Making s***

[dusk patrol]

Saltzspyres is arguably the best but he had a whole journey to that

Chaos wastes was about him finding his calling and faith again

[queen laurel]

Yeah bardin and salty definitely got the good end of the deal

[celest dome]

Bardin I would agree as best end
Then Saltz, Kruber, Kerillian and then 3 or 4 slots lower Sienna

[queen laurel]

Yeah like bare minimum salt and Bardin are living pretty happily

[dusk patrol]

Basically all of them though it changes from from, very effective fighters to, now actually an extremely powerful squad for the end times.

[queen laurel]

Kruber has become a bit more arrogant but he is still pretty friendly

[celest dome]

Kruber too

[dusk patrol]

They were already elite as fuck

[queen laurel]

Aren't they basically just a party for like the role playing game in fantasy

[dusk patrol]

Now they’re actually top tier dudes with some extreme powers and shit

[celest dome]

Unnamed Heroes to Named Heroes (fame/power wise)

[spark nebula]

Ppl were talking abt inferno pistols yesterday and i gotta ask
Where's the magazine on thus thing

[dusk patrol]

Kinda, the WH fantasy TTRPG is kinda lame sadly

[queen laurel]

Look i wouldn't want to try and fight an undead hord while a literal f****** dwarf mows down half of my men with a f****** minigun

[dusk patrol]

In the back iirc

The cylinder

[spark nebula]

Ooooh I see

[queen laurel]

And i watch as i try to actually stab one of them only for a f****** shield to appear on the bastard

And explode on me

[dusk patrol]

They all get some wild abilities with their fourth careers

[celest dome]

Grey think on the side

[storm jungle]

Pretty much but they also carry the ability of being special characters

aka the greatest boon in warhammah™️

their wikipage on the fandom site is so good

[dusk patrol]

They all have the ability of spitting fire one liners

THE CRIME IS YOUR FOUL EXISTENCE! THE SENTENCE: IS DEATH!

[queen laurel]

Me watching as my men get mow down with a minigun when i finally get a hit in i only hit a force field that then explodes

[storm jungle]

FS writers not make good banter/dialogue challenge: Impossible

legit better than some novels ive read

[queen laurel]

Genuinely i am probably switching with engineer

Slayer is

[storm jungle]

well i guess it makes sense they got actual warhammer writers lol

[dusk patrol]

Matt Ward is stronk

[queen laurel]

Too Zealoty

[celest dome]

Even the Skaven ones are great (which is why FS should never do Tyranids )

[storm jungle]

people legit got no idea how much Ward carries the dialogue in this game, its peak

[queen laurel]

I would jump in immediately die because my teammates didn't help me what a surprise

[queen laurel]

He is pretty good at writing i will give him that

[dusk patrol]

But yeah, I know they’ve said they wanna move on from the UR5 but I hope we get some resolution even if they all die

[queen laurel]

But yes i am now a minigun enjoyer

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t hate if they all survived into AoS for some bullshit reason

[queen laurel]

Didn't there story in the adventure and in the dark omens when they encountered the beastmen

[storm jungle]

We definitely will get a Waylaid level once they are fully done with VT2, i just kinda wish it happened already, it feels a bit dragged out at this point.

[queen laurel]

And they sacrifice themselves quote on quote on the meteor

But they somehow survive

[dusk patrol]

They do that a lot

“But they somehow survive” is their motto

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like

[celest dome]

Aye

[queen laurel]

This one seems a bit iffy to make compared to the other ones

[dusk patrol]

They used anti beast man magic

[queen laurel]

Like i wouldn't even be surprised if they use this dumb reasoning to like justify them appearing in aos or something

[celest dome]

Have us have a worthy death, and idealy, have gods comment on our enduring survival.
-# Till we die

[queen laurel]

When the explosion occurred the Ur5 got saved from the destruction of the world because of the explosion or something

[celest dome]

Well there is already one that is there.
Soulbound is very much something that could work here

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I’d be fine if they just got thrown into some portal and ended up surviving

[storm jungle]

Its how game 1 ended

ngl knowing FS its either

[dusk patrol]

Maybe Saltz becomes a Stormcast

[storm jungle]

they die or survive

[celest dome]

But honestly, I don't want a VT3, I want to see something else as the tide

[dusk patrol]

But either way

They’ve said they’re probably moving on from them so

Idk

[celest dome]

Have they ?

[storm jungle]

I assume if they make VT3 in AOS they'll maybe try a new cast

[dusk patrol]

We might get an AoS tide game

[queen laurel]

I want a destruction aos tide so bad

[storm jungle]

Id welcome it honestly

AOS needs a good game badly

lol

[celest dome]

I don't remember them saying anything of the sort (for the no U5 thing)

[dusk patrol]

They’ve said they wanna focus on a new cast several times

[queen laurel]

A goblin and ogre and orruks

Would work so well

[dusk patrol]

Plus the UR5 arc is very complete

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

At a certain point you can’t add more without it getting old

Like they’re all friends basically and care about eachother

[celest dome]

Bardin already has issues finding weapons to be added

[dusk patrol]

Even if they won’t admit it

[queen laurel]

Yeah they have become the things that they are meant to be and as one final act of kindness to the world they destroyed one last powerful evil in a great righteous fight

[storm jungle]

It'll also serve well to like show people AOS is not some "happy go lucky" universe, its about as shitty as Fantasy but even worse since the things that wanna kill you wholesale are even more superpowered lol

[celest dome]

And Sienna moving to Necro does show that they would want to use something else than Aqshy

[dusk patrol]

Greentide is an obvious choice too but we’ll see how they go for it.

[queen laurel]

That's nice fortress unfortunately there is a red guy challenging your best warrior and he straight up decapitated your best warrior in a single strike

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Skulltaker moments

[celest dome]

Either Greentide in AoS
Or Lizardtide in BF (Have us play as CW ❤️)

[queen laurel]

And i'm just going to be honest Gorbad is a lot more interesting than grimgor unfortunate that he didn't become as popular

Like seriously this guy didn't have any other outside factors he is pure ork

All of his tactics are just himself

[dusk patrol]

I increase his viscosity

[queen laurel]

Funny

It truly is but yes

[dusk patrol]

OPENING UP

[queen laurel]

Gorbad is very interesting

Like yes he has magical weapons and a pretty good gear but all of it is like orkish

He wasn't specially big because he was a freak experiment

He didn't have a crown that increases intelligence

He didn't have any accident that happened to him that made him who he is

He just grew up that way

Brutal and smart

I love it

Probably going to be my favorite lord on released

[celest dome]

What about Skarsnik ?

He also made himself on his own (With Gobbla)

[queen laurel]

Yeah but he's basically gorbad for goblins

At the height of what they can do if they allow themselves to be

Because you know there's the accident goblin being grom

Accidentally eating troll meat and gaining regeneration and being bigger than orcs

So we have the all natural orc and all natural goblin

So yeah of all the orc characters he's basically the most natural

All of his skills he gained by himself

[celest dome]

In the case of a U5 returnee in an AoS VT3
It could be quite cool to see Saltz starting as the 'light' Warrior, becoming the Heavy warrior.
While Kruber, I guess we would need to see a Bretonnian faction reappear (Haven opening back up or something)

[hallow plover]

But we have one 🙂

[arctic talon]

Haven did open lore wise

At least most likely

[celest dome]

Battle Fantasy had worse games before

[arctic talon]

This is not a good game

But it’s far from the worst warhammer game

[celest dome]

Oh really ?

[arctic talon]

It’s heavily implied at least

With the original wave of settlers for the mortal realms

[celest dome]

What came out of it ? Nothing yet I suppose

[arctic talon]

Nothing

It’s old history, it falls to GW to decide if they want to build on it

It’s why cities of sigmar had some Bret stuff

[celest dome]

Having a Fey Court Bretonnia in AoS would be a dream

[arctic talon]

Would be cool

Might step on sylvaneth or wanderer’s toes though

Aside from the bretonnian bits

[celest dome]

Instead of heavy armour Warrior like the Stormcast, you have Mystical (he) Knights that seem like they are made out of the fog that surround you

[queen laurel]

Honestly an aos tide where it's literally a mix of the three grand alliances besides chaos would go hard

[arctic talon]

Before everything went to shit

[celest dome]

I don't think it would be the best choice, to have all 3 alliances together

[queen laurel]

Do a soulbound

[celest dome]

Even then (also does Soulbound work with Greenskins ?)

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s weird

But it does work

[arctic talon]

I would prefer just a single grand alliance but mixing them all together would be neat

[queen laurel]

Yes they have an entire character book

[celest dome]

I think having them be from one Grand Alliance still has a lot of debth to what they can do without feeling like a mad run for every piece of the setting

[queen laurel]

So like you can literally have a stormcast work with this guy

[celest dome]

In any case, the caster ought to be an Elf next tide

[queen laurel]

Yes one of the classes you can play is a grot riding a squig

[celest dome]

Let them pick multiple winds and such

[queen laurel]

But yeah a soulbound aos tide ain't that bad of an idea

They're probably going to stick with one grand alliance though because

A single alliance already is a plenty of choice

[arctic talon]

Ngl AoS tide could be all cities of sigmar and it would be great

The cities are fun + have a lot of different things

[queen laurel]

Don't they literally also mix in the old dwarves and elves

[celest dome]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

So like if you want you can even bring in the old classes

[arctic talon]

Cities of sigmar are like

Everything

From whfb pretty much

[queen laurel]

But i want to explore the other aspects of order

[arctic talon]

Along with new stuff

[queen laurel]

Like maybe having a fyre slayer character

Alongside a storm cast

But a cities sigmar 1 ain't bad either

[celest dome]

For the Dwarf I would be most interested in an Arkanauts

[queen laurel]

Oh a khadron fleet member

Is definitely a good one

[celest dome]

Still not exactly a fan of the Fyreslayers

One dimensional and all

[queen laurel]

I mean you're wrong but i understand

[celest dome]

I am harsh

[queen laurel]

They are simply too cool for your too advanced brain

[celest dome]

That I won't refute

[queen laurel]

They appeal to the more simply

Pick up stick and hit someone brain

[celest dome]

I will refute them being too advance though

[queen laurel]

I mean they are the perfect faction for someone that doesn't care about like you know deep storytelling and stuff

Like me

I mean

It's not even surprising

[celest dome]

It's not just lore, per se

It's also model line up

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are interesting narratively but like yes i can get the simplicity in the look

They look like basically roided up slayers yeah

Which can be too much but honestly it works for

Them

[celest dome]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Fyreslayers_miniatures

So much more could have (and still could) be done with them

[queen laurel]

Their entire stick is literally worshiping the god of war of the dwarves

[queen laurel]

Yeah but

Dwarf with the big hair with giant axe

That's already pretty good argument in my book so i ain't looking to fix it

[celest dome]

Thinking back on Realm of Ruin

I would love a true golden RTS for AoS

Or a Total War with mechanic to bridge from 1 realm to another

[plush mason]

TW:AoS when?

[tough haven]

Can lasguns be suppressed?

[dapper gyro]

In the lore yes

They have muzzle device that turn the laser invisible... It is not logic, so don't try to argue with it.

[queen laurel]

yeah like isn't it basically soundless because of you know it being a laser

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gc1RJMhfpU

[plush mason]

wtf is this

[queen laurel]

clearly an obliterator

[shadow plover]

Perturabo fan art probably

[plush mason]

he has like 4 legs though, what did this one absorb a defiler?

[queen laurel]

probably

[plush mason]

i hope they cant actually do that

[queen laurel]

but could have absorb more tech

besides Defiler

[plush mason]

one thing i still dont really get, why are so many daemons of the warp tied to humanity specifically?

with humanity being so relatively young in regards to the galaxy it seems a little strange that so many powerful daemons would be directly "birthed" by human actions

[celest dome]

Cause warhammer has humans as the center point

It's writer bias

It's also why we know so much on the Imperium

And so few on the Xenos

[plush mason]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

Which ones

Daemon princes yeah

[plush mason]

no full daemons

[arctic talon]

But the major greater daemons haven’t been tied to human stuff in a while

[celest dome]

They're not Humanoid, they're Necrontyroid

[plush mason]

i guess "so many" was a bit of a stretch, what i really mean is why are any of them tied to human actions?

[arctic talon]

Real

[arctic talon]

[plush mason]

like the daemon that made the first obliterator

[arctic talon]

Daot humanity was the biggest civilization

For a while

[arctic talon]

Obliterators got made by Perturabo and Mortarion

[plush mason]

not according to slaves of darkness

[arctic talon]

Which book is that

[plush mason]

one of the HH series

from back in 2018

[arctic talon]

Oh the heresy one

Yeah idk that directly contradicts

Most obliterator lore lol

Including the new stuff in 9e and 10e

[plush mason]

yeah Wes said the same

[arctic talon]

I think we can discard it from the conversation

Since obliterators have always been tied to Morty and Pert

[plush mason]

the daemon itself is more interesting to me due to the whole "born from the first time a human crafted a tool made to kill"

[arctic talon]

Tbh daemons spawning from symbolic stuff like that isn’t weird

There’s prolly a daemon for each major species that did that

[plush mason]

that would make more sense

and lower the level of impact humans have on the warp

[arctic talon]

We know that vashtor went from random warp creature to greater daemon sized

Due to the Necrontyr bio transference

So it’s not a stretch for random daemons to feed off of X of Y species

[plush mason]

ofc if its true that all humans in warhammer 40k are potential psykers their level of impact on the warp kinda makes ssense

there is a lot of us in 40k after all

and if all of them are just dormant psykers that is quite the terrifying thought

[shadow plover]

Volk becoming the first Obliterator through possession can still work with the earlier lore if that instance sparked the inspiration for Perturabo to create the Obliterator Virus later with Mortarion

[arctic talon]

It could

Also there was a khornate daemon spawned during the fall of the eldar

Due to an aspect shrine(priest?) trying to stab slaanesh and succeeding

Still died though lol

[plush mason]

still died like an utter gigachad though

[arctic talon]

But extremely symbolic things fuel the warp

So the first Necrontyr or Eldar to make a weapon to kill prolly spawned a daemon

[shadow plover]

Still waiting for a revamped Mutilator kit though...

[celest dome]

There is also the matter of Neverborn.
How is a Daemone a Neverborn but also the "First Murder" of humanity. (Drachyen)
Which to me fall on the matter of once its here, it always has been here.
Drachyen became a conscious thing to humanity when it got it's entry ticket, with the First Murder.

[arctic talon]

Some century

[arctic talon]

Yeah this as well

[shadow plover]

why don't you love me father

[plush mason]

motherfucker looks like Kugath sat on his face

[arctic talon]

God mutilators are weird lol

They got added as a duo build option with the second obliterator kit

And then they had 0 m lore

And then got removed

[shadow plover]

on par with the old Oblis

[arctic talon]

What did GW mean by this

[dapper gyro]

Yes, only if you apply hard real life physic, because lore lasgun does make sound when they shoot.

[arctic talon]

Same kit lol

[shadow plover]

yeah, just a ranged and a melee option

[arctic talon]

Now obliterators have mutilator melee stuff as well

Lol

[shadow plover]

are the current oblis even sold as their own kit yet

[arctic talon]

They’re stuck in a shared sprue

So no

[shadow plover]

figures

[plush mason]

never apply real life physics to sci fi laser weapons, just the fact the light of the laser can still be seen breaks it

[arctic talon]

Unless GW produces a new one

[queen laurel]

hey wolf quick question isn't bardin's gun basically Khadron tier?

When it comes to technology

[celest dome]

Not really

Steam punk tech vs more Diesel Punk

Clattergun did exist previously in BF

Most notably for Dwarf Navy Dreadnoughts

[queen laurel]

hmm i see

[rocky gale]

Hmm wonder what caused the jump

The Battleforce preorders? Krieg reveals? The tv show teasers?

[shadow plover]

the preview show in general

I was this close to buying a few stocks during the summer, now I regret I didn't

[thin turret]

Is there any language more powerful than Enuncia?

I mean one that has more powerful effects just by speaking it

[storm jungle]

just Enuncia

its a dumb superpower, kind of hard to beat

[queen laurel]

yeah you can practically bend reality just by speaking it

[dusk patrol]

Hurts your lips though

[celest dome]

Other than perfecting the pronunciation is there even a cost to Enuncia ?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh not really

its just:

• You might explode

• Go insane

usual shit in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Most people can’t even say one word without it incapacitating them

With practice you can use more but it’s physically very taxing

[celest dome]

But that's a skill issue though.

[storm jungle]

Literally

[dusk patrol]

No it just actually wrecks your body saying them

[storm jungle]

I was gonna add more but like

enuncia is such a dumb concept even by 40k standards i got no comment honestly

then again it is written by a comic book writer

[dusk patrol]

It’s one of the most basic and common fantasy concepts, ancient language with words that hold power

[storm jungle]

Its another "big universe thing only gets mentioned by Abnett and maybe a friend of his"

either way its uh something alright

[dusk patrol]

They’ve mentioned it more with other sources too, it’s not common but it comes up. Lorgar is searching for words of it for example

[storm jungle]

See "maybe a friend of his" bit

either way its kind of whatever

the tower of babel stuff with it legit killed it for me lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like it’s meant to be a super well known thing anyways.

I mostly preferred it how it was done in Ravenor but it’s not really that out there of a concept by 40k standards. They already had similar ideas built in.

[storm jungle]

Ravenor is from like 1942 so not like it could be a well-known concept either way when it barely gets mentioned

ı see people ask about it and half the replies are "we dont really got enough info to go on as is" lol

[dusk patrol]

Which is very 40k

[storm jungle]

I mean no

Some shit in 40k get an unnecessary amount of lore

some dont because its not explored due to just being a random idea that "seemed cool at the time"

Almost largely nothing in this setting is a mystery more just a lack of commitment or too much of it

[dusk patrol]

Enuncia doesn’t lack lore, it’s pretty much immediately clear what it was when it’s introduced, its origin and more has been told of it

But the core idea has been the same, we just don’t know everything or how far it can go

The even say in the second Ravenor book what the bad guys are using it for, basically just saying words as an offensive weapon, is a crude and simple usage of its potential, which they’re trying to unlock.

[storm jungle]

It very much does, its just a random superpower ancient language thing that was just plopped in and got built in explanations later that got dumber as it went along.

Like its just Abnett being Abnett, its not that deep

Or I should just say 40k being 40k, its as usual pretty whatever

[dusk patrol]

A mystery is just not having full knowledge, you can say that for any setting, yes they could expand on it more but that’s not a lack of commitment it’s just not needing everything explained fully.

This isn’t unique to 40k, it’s just a general choice by writers

[storm jungle]

I'm glad you caught that Eternal, very observant. The sacred and the propane.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-07-2024/yS5NFQ.gif

[dusk patrol]

You’re the one saying things aren’t mysteries because the writers could just tell us what they are if they wanted, it’s still a mystery if it’s intentional or they didn’t plan on adding more.

It’s a meaningless statement

[storm jungle]

No I just wanted to A) Make a Sopranos joke and B) This is Dumb Pointless Argument No.2919303 and I was kind of half paying attention to it.

Anyway

[dusk patrol]

You don’t always have to be reductive towards stuff

[storm jungle]

Its fun.

People also give 40k writers too much credit.

[forest orbit]

What is the argument now

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it’s too much credit to say they intentionally leave stuff unanswered cause it’s more interesting or answering every question is boring.

[forest orbit]

All I know is you two never had the makings of a varsity athele.

[dusk patrol]

Especially when they’re writing flavor text basically for a setting

[storm jungle]

That's never been disputed by anybody 👉

[dusk patrol]

Gabagool

[forest orbit]

[storm jungle]

But anyway yeah it isn't that deep. Again.

https://tenor.com/view/take-your-clothes-off-paulie-sopranos-gif-12259056237205500072

[dusk patrol]

His body is mad ripe yo.

[storm jungle]

You're fucking crazy. Im leaving.

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-sopranos-big-pussy-puss-sal-gif-14593184077229302167

[dusk patrol]

Kwistofa

I actually just finished rewatching the Sopranos, I forgot how funny Vito’s whole New Hampshire part is

Dude finds a gay paradise, gets a hot firefighter diner cook boyfriend

Artisanal shop, everyone is ok with him being gay

And he leaves and goes back to die cause he can’t stand a 9-5 after two shifts

[storm jungle]

I wish the fandom wasnt so cancer because i really do love moments like that in the show and you can barely discuss it with anyone at all since its just braindead meme circlejerking

Chase does such a good job of reminding how awful these people are its both hilarious and sad in a way

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the overdone quotes get old but I get it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its funny to some extent but man lol

I really should do a rewatch too though ngl

ive been going through youtube vids of it, its tempting

[dusk patrol]

I also just watched it and I can’t even remember half of the lines people are quoting sometimes

[storm jungle]

Alright fuck it ill marathon it after work, ill prob stop at like S4 anyway

the last 2 seasons get so depressing I legit cant bare it

[umbral kraken]

any knowers know how big Warhammer fantasy lore is vs Warhammer 40k? like in terms of something like total word count and/or whatever else

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

id say WHF is almost there but since it got axed it doesnt have as much "wideness" as 40k

[dusk patrol]

40k is definitely bigger but idk for word count

It has waaaaay more books and shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah its important to remember 40k is "random shit happens on random planet and the event doesnt matter"

WHF has like a ton of narrative shit

[paper haven]

Nothing of value was lost

[dusk patrol]

It had the issue of it’s a set world so they had to do something eventually

Since everyone was stuck at right before the end times

[queen laurel]

AOS is Definitely gonna take a good while until it reaches warhammer fantasy lore level

[dusk patrol]

They went back a little bit with some dudes

[queen laurel]

in the amount department anyway

[dusk patrol]

AoS they built it bigger with all the realms and the realms being huge so they can avoid that pitfall as much

[paper haven]

My head canon is that all of WHF takes place on a single planet in 40k

[storm jungle]

Yeah AOS is just WHF with 8 more realms to play around in

[queen laurel]

yep

[storm jungle]

it deffo helps

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

It’s also not the same kind of fantasy setting, it’s more high fantasy

[queen laurel]

as of now but it's definitely getting the amount of stories

a nearing the level warhammer fantasy

it's gonna be awhile until it can get the amount of lore warhammer 40k has

[paper haven]

Probably a daemon world

[storm jungle]

Its a mix to be fair

frontal its high fantasy but personal stuff tends to be more low usually

[queen laurel]

it's definitely a high fantasy but it has low fantasy things

[storm jungle]

depends on the faction book

[dusk patrol]

There is a book called Daemon World which is a lot like this

[paper haven]

I know

[storm jungle]

do you

[dusk patrol]

Well yeah you know

I just told you

Smh

[paper haven]

I mean, yeah?
I brought it up on e before

[storm jungle]

bro hit him with the Frank Drebin line

[dusk patrol]

Source?

[dusk patrol]

It is nice they’re doing fantasy books again though

[umbral kraken]

so with the death and rebirth of Warhammer fantasy as the aos world... one day there might be a Warhammer 40k 2?

[storm jungle]

Probably

but we are like

20 years off

[dusk patrol]

Unlikely tbh

[storm jungle]

Its gonna happen, just not soon at all

[queen laurel]

when GW probably can't keep continuing the setting but considering how smart they are doing that

[dusk patrol]

Fantasy was failing to make money

[queen laurel]

yeah it's gonna take them a long while to get to that point

[storm jungle]

The setting will need to get stagnant

[dusk patrol]

40k is their flagship

[storm jungle]

which isnt anytime soon

[dusk patrol]

If it’s failing there’s a lot of other issues

[queen laurel]

yeah they have completely built warhammer to be a sustainable as possible

[storm jungle]

it took mid-40k era like 30 or more years to get there

[umbral kraken]

that might be the jumping the shark moment, could take like 60+ years to organically justify rebooting 40k like that

[dusk patrol]

They will probably advance the setting

But I doubt we’ll get a end times scenario like that

[queen laurel]

Random stories in random worlds and barely moving the narrative should they need to

[storm jungle]

Also the thing with warhammer is it stays relavent because it changes and mutates

thats a core thing

so we'll see

[dusk patrol]

Anything could happen but I imagine they’d just advance the setting as opposed to end times

Also hopefully it won’t suck this time if they do

[queen laurel]

yeah fantasy was basically already falling

But they ended it in a way that is so horrendously bad that I had to headbutt my wall

They could have handled it better definitely

[dusk patrol]

40k was on the downturn prior to Cadia too which is a lot of why they shook the setting up like they did, but idk if they’ll ever do a hard reset like Fantasy to AoS

[storm jungle]

Oh wait yeah i meant it like that lol

40k is never going anywhere/getting end times treatment

even if the Emperor died and terra imploded they'd still find a reason as to how people can still play their armies and how the Emperor is alive or whatever the fuck

[dusk patrol]

It sucks too cause End Times was a very unique opportunity to do some cool stuff and they fumbled so much of it

At least we got Settras Chad arc but still

I liked some of the stuff

But it was just rushed

[storm jungle]

The ideas were good the execution was awful

[queen laurel]

Now I know their homeworld exploded but the emperor is actually now a God and he has decided to make new Angel marines

[storm jungle]

even if you dont care about WHF some decisions will make you go "the fuck"

[dusk patrol]

Malkith being the Phoenix King is hilarious

[storm jungle]

They'd say some shit like he ascended to the Warp and has become a new god people actually worship even more now as he allows Warp travel through the astronomicon or bla bla

[storm jungle]

That is up there with "Actually Horus was right for starting the Heresy"

[shadow plover]

Anyways, the only thing that really mattered from the WHF world was the story of Gotrek & Felix in the end

[storm jungle]

no

[dusk patrol]

“If Horus just hereyed a little longer he would have actually saved the Imperium”

[dusk patrol]

“He was one second away from heresying enough”

[queen laurel]

poor bastard

[umbral kraken]

maybe one day the 40k universe will be damaged by some fight or another which totally changes the way of things but doesnt quite reboot it. perhaps two galaxies chaos god pantheons meeting and fighting

[storm jungle]

Nah i doubt they'll ever do a crossover

it will just be someting like Terra imploding but nothing really changes as the writers find a way to keep everything more or less the same

like how the entire galaxy is split in half rn but things are relatively the same as they are before rn, just more daemons etc

[dusk patrol]

The only time they’ve ever done those kinda things is mostly memes

[queen laurel]

and psykers being more common

[paper haven]

You know, maybe that Horus guy had a point.

[queen laurel]

one side is bad the other one is relatively even worse

[dusk patrol]

Who amongst us can say they haven’t started an intergalactic war because they misinterpreted a dream given to them be daemons from time to time?

We were all young once

[shadow plover]

Not Paul for one

[queen laurel]

me because well i don't have access to an intergalactic spanning empire that can destroy entire worlds

[dusk patrol]

Pfft just say your a poor

[paper haven]

It still bothers me that Horus knew it was a plot to manipulate but went ahead anyway

[dusk patrol]

Well he wasn’t in a great state of mind

[shadow plover]

He thought he was Him

[dusk patrol]

But yeah earlier heresy was

I wish they could redo a lot of it

Makes sense why since it was gonna be much shorter but man

[shadow plover]

hey yeah reboot the heresy story

50 new books

Dilara will love it

[storm jungle]

YEET

I at least know the only Scouring book im gonna read is the Iron Cage stuff

[paper haven]

Heresy 2.0

[storm jungle]

because both Imperial Fisters and Iron Fencers fans suck

I need to feel superior over them

[paper haven]

Like Guilliman?

[storm jungle]

yes

reading books is a power most 40k fans do not possess

[shadow plover]

that's why I LISTEN

[queen laurel]

Well they need space for the power to be stupid so

[paper haven]

Which I find ironic and hilarious

[queen laurel]

can't have that the two unfortunately

except for me for i am both stupid and can read

[storm jungle]

Its always easier to digest through memes than read alas

[queen laurel]

that's why i have suggested reading through brain injection

you get the chemicals of reading memes and actually learning about something

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[paper haven]

But muh shovel and blue communists

[dusk patrol]

Thankfully we’ll all soon be cybernetically linked into the cloud and we can just make people download 40klore

Finally

[shadow plover]

not 40klore, 1d4chan

[queen laurel]

Such a Jerk 0 matic thing to say

cruel and straight up evil

[shadow plover]

🫡

some of you deserve it

(dilara)

[paper haven]

1d4chan is the only reliable source of lore

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[storm jungle]

my favorite part of 1d4chan is me sending my friend to its forums like an officer not expecting him to come back from the killing fields of f-Slurs and n-word machine gun nests being fired everywhere

i dont give a shit if its difficult dude GET ME MY PDFs

[queen laurel]

You sound like the type of person when your friend gets a bio chip on their head you would zip bomb 1d4chan straight into their brain

[storm jungle]

[paper haven]

Kids these days don't know how good they got it.

[storm jungle]

[paper haven]

I intended to go into a "back in my day" rant but about surviving the hellscape that is early 2000s internet culture but.
It just ain't worth it

[storm jungle]

As a person thats also been through said early culture yeah its not worth it lol

[paper haven]

It's gone now. Replaced by modern internet culture

[queen laurel]

you don't have to sell your soul twice they say

[paper haven]

My plan is to sell my soul to as many different buyers as possible so that it takes an eternity to sort out in litigation

[dapper gyro]

2000s internet culture is not that much different imo

I wish that with the Krieg poster boys, they buff the helbore lasgun a little bit in DT.

[umbral kraken]

Instagram comment sections are like the wild west