40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure the vindicare sniper is better than what space marines even have access to

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t means they don’t waste it after a mission is done

[arctic talon]

it is yes

Exitus rifles are very special

[dusk patrol]

Basically all assassin stuff is the peak of imperium tech for what it does

[crystal forum]

do they explode when lost

[arctic talon]

They're genelocked

[dusk patrol]

They can only be used by the assassin

[crystal forum]

but do they explode

[arctic talon]

beyond that the ammo is highly specialized

[dusk patrol]

Nothing about the assassins is cheap

[arctic talon]

no, if a Vindicare loses their rifle they're gona get fucked by the temple head anyways lol

[crystal forum]

ah alright that prob limits the use if stolen and the gene lock is broken

[dusk patrol]

I think he does self destruct his gun in a short story

[arctic talon]

He does yeah

but it doesn't do it on its own

[arctic talon]

Yeah, normal ammo doesn't work in it

The bullets it uses are weird

[crystal forum]

is it like nemesis bullets

[dusk patrol]

If you steal a vindicare gun you got some other problems beyond finding the ammo

[crystal forum]

not stealing, like a faction kills one

it happens

[dusk patrol]

The ammo will probably find you

Not in the way you want

[crystal forum]

im trying to imagine how a vindicare sniper could find itself in the hands of an extremely powerful rogue trader or smth

[dusk patrol]

Just say he pulled the right strings

[crystal forum]

hey if a bunch of fucking cultists can kill one on vraks...

[arctic talon]

3 varients, all of them have "tracking" function once fired. Shield Breaker(overloads force fields), Turbo Penetrator(armor piercing, can go through tank armor), Hellfire(literally melts the person it hits)

That Vindicare was a dumbass

[dusk patrol]

And what happened to them

[arctic talon]

Bro used the wrong ammo type

[crystal forum]

most died

but still

[dusk patrol]

They all died

[crystal forum]

hey he died too

win for chaos

[arctic talon]

Tbh in Rogue Trader you do get a modified one

[crystal forum]

it's fucking cultists

[arctic talon]

but its also like in Act 5 LOL

[crystal forum]

no amount of dead cultists will equal 1 vindicare

[arctic talon]

Its an Exitus Long Las

which is very odd

[crystal forum]

interesting

maybe a cheaper version

[dusk patrol]

Could also just be a designation

[arctic talon]

I mean we never see a vindicare in Calcazars number

[dusk patrol]

But idk, just say he got it from doing something for someone. Like an inquisitor or the temple itself

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

[dusk patrol]

Maybe the temple requested some info or whatever and that was part of the payment

[crystal forum]

im more thinking of a black market situation

it's cooler that way

[dusk patrol]

Then do that, much lamer option

[dapper gyro]

Exitus long las is in some obsurest lore. I don't even know if that thing is still cannon or not.

[crystal forum]

this is a fallout quest

[arctic talon]

it shows up in Rogue Trader the CRPG, so its canon

its leaning against a pile of crates in the Digsite in the final stretch of the game

[crystal forum]

just an exitus lying on the ground nothing special

same vibe as all the rare bolters just left around the place in space marine 2

[arctic talon]

ngl I feel like the implication is a vindicare got sent to blow Calcazar's head off but died

[dapper gyro]

Btw, Vindicare's gun apparently has very strong recoil. so while it is rarely stated, Vindicare are physically very strong.

[arctic talon]

tbh all of the Officio Assasinorum members are like

augmented

[crystal forum]

i wouldn't expect any assassin to be bad at hand to hand

even a vindicare can kill most things

[dapper gyro]

The Exitus is as powerful as the SM scout or even Eliminator sniper rifle.

[arctic talon]

is Raithe from Kingmaker Robert Rath's OC/j

[arctic talon]

its stronger in lore

at least based on the depictions we've seen

[dapper gyro]

I'd like to think so to, but then it goes to the realm of headcanon.

[dusk patrol]

Burrowing through Knight Dominus armor pretty easily is

Quite the feat

[arctic talon]

yeah

Turbo Penetrator rounds

amiright

[crystal forum]

that's my stage name

[arctic talon]

goddamn thats a sneaky techpriest lol

[dusk patrol]

I thought it was Microminute?

[dapper gyro]

And Vindicare is the weakest physically of the main 4 temples

[crystal forum]

5 minutes to think of a comeback nice a new record

[dusk patrol]

Jay I just saw your comment, much like you it took me about 30 seconds

[crystal forum]

your mom wasnt complaining

[dusk patrol]

She doesn’t complain about much anymore

On account of being dead

[crystal forum]

give my sympathies to the second family

[green loom]

Where's this from lol

[tough haven]

Still probably the apex of baseline humanity

[arctic talon]

Imperium maledictim rulebook

[green loom]

It looks like miguel

Oh

[arctic talon]

Prolly is Miguel

[green loom]

Actually no

[arctic talon]

A lot of the art in the book feels very Miguel

[green loom]

Maybe?

Might just be quicker miguel stuff

[arctic talon]

Maybe not

It’s a similar asthetic

[storm jungle]

Miguel largely does official stuff

not side-content

the artists are not credited but you can kinda tell its not really him minus like maybe 1-2 artworks you might miss, he usually has his hands full with codex content

[young pecan]

I think tech priests' potential horror aspect are very underused

They can augment themselves with all manner of insane things and slink around, whether scuttling or silently

[dusk patrol]

Part of the problem you have is even that taken to an extreme, you have Rust Stalkers who do that and there’s much scarier things which will lurk and jump out in 40k

[shell mason]

still waiting the ski class to come out

[dusk patrol]

Being shanked by a cyborg is pretty low on the list

[shell mason]

Getting stabbed by a crackhead isn't

[arctic talon]

Ruststalkers are freakily big tbh

[green loom]

Yeah when I saw my first one in Rogue trader

Similar reaction to blood letters

"what do you mean they're bigger than Ulfar????"

[young pecan]

True, but even if a bear jumping out at you is scary, a spider jumping at you can still be scary

On the other hand, I have never heard of Rust Stalkers until now

[dusk patrol]

It’s annoying me how I can’t find images of them in the game

But they’re quite large and dangerous

[arctic talon]

Here's one of the Chaosy ones

they're way bigger then normal 1 tile NPCs

but not space marine NPC size yet

[rose thorn]

Holy shit chaos admech?

[arctic talon]

yeah they show up in Rogue Trader

quite a bit lol

[tough haven]

Man I’d like this song’s concept and channel if it wasn’t A. Ai generated, and B. Had really obnoxious word choice constantly, you can really tell they were struggling to make it work

https://youtu.be/HfcCVHH57Uo?si=0j7TlXJCdK1hBnUf

Like damn, do parts of this hurt to listen to, but something with this concept could have been pretty good if it was done with more effort

Some of their Ork stuff sounds ok, but I attribute that partially to things being disorganized fitting well with orks

Forgot about this Ork story, so I’ll give it props for reminding me of it

https://youtu.be/O4Mo9cjmJlM?si=Ox7qNQngFK5T_u4e

[thick cedar]

Is it a good idea to keep a tiny bird of tzeentch around as a pet? 🐦

Why is bird blue on my phone but discord turns it red?

[celest dome]

Discord -> Khornate

[acoustic hinge]

Awesome pics

[covert kiln]

I got a voiceline recently that made me happy. A psyker said something about realms in the warp and them being real, and my poor little grunt was like "You mean if I dream of a mountain of skulls and a demon on it, that's real?"

With a nice nervous chuckle.

All my chars are a little khorny.

[green loom]

Uh oh

[storm jungle]

i too dream of sitting in a mountain of skulls

[green loom]

I wish my dreams were that interesting

Instead I get anxiety torture, thanks brain!

[storm jungle]

bruh moment

[gray umbra]

Same

Sometimes when im at work i have to twitch uncontrollably and scream blood for the blood god.

But then i have to apologize about the voices. I guess im just a quirky little guy ! x3

[green loom]

Sometimes during the day, I'll enter a dream like state where reality gives way to my unfiltered imagination, rendering me blind to the real world and catatonic

[rose thorn]

I know exactly what this is

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fortnite_gamepedia/images/4/46/SpikeyJet.png/revision/latest?cb=20210125190858

Probably for necromunda

[shadow plover]

Votann...

[gray umbra]

Megatron

[rose thorn]

I don’t think Votaan use jet engines?

[shadow plover]

the railing under the engine looks a lot like something Votann has

not yet

[celest dome]

It look cool, I'm betting on Necrom

[storm jungle]

Necrons are too advanced to use turbines

😭

[celest dome]

Necromunda

Not Necron

[storm jungle]

damn

[shadow plover]

Necromunda is a tomb world, Heretic_Cacti confirmed it

[celest dome]

Would you be surprised if it was the case ?
I wouldn't

The ancient alien race the Delaque are following are Necrontyr

[shadow plover]

I would be yeah, they would've blurt it out somewhere by now if it were

[acoustic hinge]

Necron are the scariest faction

100%

Even astartes fear necrons

[sour hornet]

I mean, you do a LOT of killing. So skulls are par for the course.

[sour hornet]

Tzeentchian grindset, they wouldn't understand.

[rocky gale]

Praying the turbine is for a new Guard flyer

Actively using my psionic energy to manifest a Lucille Von Shard model

[paper haven]

I'm helping

[rose thorn]

Heard the new combat patrol is gonna be garbage

This can’t be real

[acoustic hinge]

Karskin should be changed

Where’s the centre piece

[rose thorn]

While it is my favorite parts of guard it’s pretty bad

[acoustic hinge]

I’d take anything with a sentinel tbh

[rose thorn]

Luckily I don’t play guard, and gsc combat patrol is genuine makes the army impossible to collect

The new combat patrol*

[rose thorn]

I do unironically love the horses

[vagrant fox]

I thought they was dolphins

[crystal forum]

literally the same shit as the custodes combat patrol

way too many of 1 unit

[gray umbra]

Are there any rules against substituting a model from another army for a different one

Like using the ig models for chaos traitor guard

Or space marines for a deceptor rule chaos army

[storm jungle]

I think thats only for like official tournaments where they'll be dicks about it isnt it?

Otherwise as logn as you talk it out with your friends/opponent i doubt it matters

[gray umbra]

Yeah i figured, gotta make sure my dollars count before the tariffs make the combat patrol cost more than my insurance payments

[queen laurel]

I'm also pretty sure you can run custom models as long as they are using approved rules

Like you can't make up your own weapon for this character you can only use like a weapon that's already has a rule for it

[shadow plover]

the examples give, ig -> traitor guard, sm -> csm, are pretty whatever too. Quite sure these would be allowed at a GW Tournament too. (If you've built and painted them to look the part and not just Ultras as CSM etc)

traitor guard especially when you don't have your own rules for them

you'd just be playing guard with a different theme

[gray umbra]

Yeah those were the easiest 1 to 1 replacements i could think of

[shell mason]

May ask the store i like if there going to sell any

new minis

[gray umbra]

The store closest to me is unfortunately like 2 hrs away so im probably gonna order stuff off amazon or direct

I went to see it and its too cramped lol

[shell mason]

wym?

[tough haven]

So the silent ones are tied to necrons somehow?

[outer wave]

https://youtu.be/83chO9NuWAg @queen laurel

[queen laurel]

oh hey

let watch it

[storm jungle]

No they arent

they are just some ancient powerful cthulu race

[outer wave]

Trailer as a cinematic piece is a lil weird tbh, but there's some cool stuff coming for all factions involved

[tough haven]

Wait, but aren’t the silent ones the alien race the Delaque are following?

[gray umbra]

Store is just supremely tiny

[queen laurel]

hey Gorbad looks great

[outer wave]

He looks pretty good!

[gray umbra]

Are these just new heroes?

[queen laurel]

mangler squigs

[queen laurel]

no it's total war dlc

[gray umbra]

Oh sweet

[outer wave]

No, also new units and new mechanics/reworked ones

[gray umbra]

Ive only played empire and chaos warriors so far

Empire playthrough konrad got too strong and chaos warrior playthrough i let the dwarves get airships

[queen laurel]

Golgfag

[outer wave]

Bragg the Gutsman is there too

[queen laurel]

a collosal squig

[shadow plover]

wild to me that it took them this long to add large squigs

[outer wave]

True, it's kinda wild

[queen laurel]

yeah i can't blame ya

hopefully this will complete the orc unit list

[outer wave]

I hope so, though I have no idea what they'd be missing now

They got goblins with spears in a free update

I hope Ogres got bruisers with this one

[shadow plover]

where is my squig spitting gobbos artillery..

or was it tiny squigs

[outer wave]

Oh yeah we didn't see those, huh

[queen laurel]

yeah i think I also didn't see savage orcs

but i am pretty sure that they are getting a generic shaman as a lord

[outer wave]

They are

[queen laurel]

Which is great

[queen laurel]

i think it will be added

they are definitely adding more uses to the squig building

[rocky gale]

It’s so bad, it’s not even funny

Like swap out the command squad for a Castellan, and one squad of riders for a Leman Russ and you have a box that’s the same value but so much better

[outer wave]

https://youtu.be/qKDQRnpnbeQ

[queen laurel]

okay that psychic slash is

sick

[gray umbra]

Combat patrols always like to give you sub optimal units 😦

[outer wave]

So damn cool

[acoustic hinge]

Just forces you to buy more lol

[gray umbra]

Yeah i still need to buy a chaos rhino and an extra chaos lord for my army

Still gotta paint i though

[acoustic hinge]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6ZWdkGRNj7y6GsrdcCyHa1?si=6e07b82c42f44f04

bonking heretics to this

[rose thorn]

we talking AOS?!

AND MY Favorite army!

[shadow plover]

it's an older FW model, don't think they still sell it

think it does/did have AoS rules though

[rose thorn]

Yes

It was bad </3

[shadow plover]

😔

[solid oyster]

Hello cool kids

What's an admonition

[celest dome]

A reprimand

[paper haven]

A slap on the wrist

[solid oyster]

A cult

[storm jungle]

A miserable pile of secrets

[queen laurel]

dils

i saw that

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

Its amazing how much CDI Zelda and Mario have left their legacy on the internet despite not being recognized at all by Nintendo

[gray umbra]

I remember the days

Back when games were GOOD

Look at this beaut

[outer wave]

Back when games KNEW what they wanted

[dusk patrol]

Pfft, that’s too new

This is some classic good fun

Now this

This is real gaming

[outer wave]

God I always enamoured by those things as a kid

I didnt understand why kids played it but it did look fun

[rose thorn]

?

[gray umbra]

Thats a whole ass engine

[storm jungle]

turbines to push kids into

I MEAN uh

shit

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[queen laurel]

Dils for five seconds can you stop being Dilara the orphan decapitator of khorne?

[gray umbra]

This is a plausible design

[storm jungle]

no

[queen laurel]

aight then

[rose thorn]

esher champion on cutter?

[gray umbra]

Add a seat and some grenade launchers onto a jet turbine

[dusk patrol]

There’s so many kids who aren’t orphans to decapitate anyways

[rose thorn]

esherrrr

[dusk patrol]

Why limit yourself?

[storm jungle]

Escher are hot so its fine

more men for the mines

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

another image for the collection

[rose thorn]

wait i think their annoying champion inst immortal anymroe i need to check

[queen laurel]

how the **** are the giant savage brutes more respective of gender

[storm jungle]

more bodies for the Forge

Escher just use manual labor or skilled female geneticists/docs to run chemlabs

[queen laurel]

that is true

Forge gaming

[rose thorn]

oh cool death maidens are killable

i swore they ahd 2 rules, one made them unable to die

and the other made it so when they are knocked down

they jsut

get up

waht hte hell was it called

am i crazy?

[rose thorn]

esher born men are very valuable tho and very rare

its weird

[storm jungle]

They are not rare they just die a lot

their entire genetic line is cursed

its the upspire nobles banging/having them also

not gangers

[rose thorn]

my bad

they are bron braindead

most of the itme

[storm jungle]

LOL

Uh it depends

its basically any form of physical malady

they die during their teens

[rose thorn]

terminal overkill says tehy are born braindead 99% of the time, but also its a terribel book

[storm jungle]

they are only useful for genetic material harvesting

[rose thorn]

so giving a bad book less credit is always ebtter

anyway yeah im very excited for hte house gangs to get a real new expansion

[storm jungle]

Necromunda is always eating good

[rose thorn]

its a shame that vansaar was the first to get it

also i heard the malstrain gang is a bit of an npc gang atm

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are but they are basically homeless people

[rose thorn]

lmao

[queen laurel]

yeah they look like the perfect gang that you will fight in like a mid level encounter in dark heresy or some shit

[rose thorn]

you got sworms of homeless dudes then every once of a while you get a cool badass boss

[queen laurel]

no offence Mags

[rose thorn]

is necromunda darktide

[dapper gyro]

I wish Hireguns, the Necromunda game, was better.

[rose thorn]

malstrains are the incest born cousions of the starchildren

tehres specific lore for genestealers to murder all malstrain

[dapper gyro]

Such a nice game, so much wasted potential

[rose thorn]

i wish it took more advantage of its setting and didnt try to be a doom ripoff

i do appecriate the gangs being different gangplay wise

[dapper gyro]

I think Fatshark learnt big on it from the level and gameplay loop design

[rose thorn]

but since you are a super insane badass you dont get to experience the differnece between the gangs

i coulnd tell the difference bteween esher goliath or orlock

[rose thorn]

definetly

also the loot system is

so bad

[rose thorn]

oh it was litearlly made to be a dungeon crawl mode

[celest dome]

It's more that they both are using the same bases, the same arts, and miniatures as inspiration

[storm jungle]

YOU DIDNT KNOW?

[rose thorn]

NO

[storm jungle]

GETOU-

[rose thorn]

NECRORAW ONLY GOT UPDATED RECENTLY

i mean necrovox died

then i went to necroraw

[queen laurel]

hey weird tasting bloody red cactus can you watch this for me https://youtu.be/83chO9NuWAg?si=crj4of6xvksyqLwL

[rose thorn]

SO I DIDNT READ THE RULES

[queen laurel]

and judge it for yourself

[rose thorn]

i need ot get back into necormunda but i dont think anyone in my lgs even knows about necromunda

[celest dome]

Mangler Squig, Slaughter beast

Those are nice

Oh Paymasters

[storm jungle]

I entirely follow Munda for lore so beats me

[celest dome]

Hero I guess

[rose thorn]

its such good lore

[queen laurel]

yes

Bragg the Gutsman is also legendary hero

[celest dome]

Not the worst

[rose thorn]

the weakest lore wise ( as in concept not appearnce) is probably orlock but its still strong

[queen laurel]

which makes sense considering his reputation

[rose thorn]

rip cawdor

[celest dome]

Dislike Skulltaker as LL but what can I say, c'est la vie

[queen laurel]

i mean

the other chaos gods already had their champions

[celest dome]

Delague is weaker iirc

[queen laurel]

is like legendary lords

[celest dome]

Orlock is really one of the most populous iirc

[queen laurel]

so they may as well do it for the rest of the chaos gods

[rose thorn]

oh yeah bcause they are so sneaky they dont appear in books

well tehy appeared in a book

betrayed everyone

had sex

and disappearede

SHIT I SHOULD PLAY DELAQUE I LOVE DELAQUE

[celest dome]

Never said I liked if for any of the other

[rose thorn]

is head taker a named character this week?

[celest dome]

They ought to have been Flc

[queen laurel]

Too bad already interpreted it

Now die

[rose thorn]

skull taker

same thing

[celest dome]

What you mean by this week ?

[rose thorn]

sometimes he doenst get the unique key word in 40k and aos edition

s

[queen laurel]

this guy?

[rose thorn]

with the capeyeah

its so weird this edition eh has the unqiue key word but takes up an non unique slot

the uh, attache hero slot

[queen laurel]

i mean his entire shtick is literally hunting characters

This guy will literally square up to a fortress and challenge the greatest hero there

[rose thorn]

my favorite part of delaque is that i have no clue which one is the leader model

[outer wave]

I genuinely wonder how Skulltaker, despite being cool as fuck, has not become a greater daemon yet

[rose thorn]

oh because of the cane?

[celest dome]

Because it's better to be the favoured herald than just a top brass Greater Daemons

[outer wave]

How so? Because its easier to be summoned into the mortal realm?

[celest dome]

yes, and better seen by your god

[outer wave]

Oh they care about your status of being a herald more than being a bigger daemon?

[sour hornet]

Question, are chaos warbands mostly original traitors or recruits?

I know time is fucked in the warp

[rose thorn]

ill probably sleep on necromunda until delaque gets their treasure hunter sprue

[sour hornet]

but they have fucked geneseed

[celest dome]

Like HH Traitor or just SM who then turned traitor ?

Rather than people who became CSM from base

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Both

If they need geneseed they either make it or steal it

the latter is the most common

[dusk patrol]

They recruit from both aspirants and from marines who fall

[storm jungle]

unless the warband is actually organised its kinda free-for-all

[dusk patrol]

But their process for making marines is generally much more

Trial by fire

[queen laurel]

Does that mean that primaris chaos marines are a thing?

[dusk patrol]

Not really yet

There’s some who are under the murder curse

But we don’t have examples yet, there’s one that is implied to be made by Bile and maybe is primaris or was made using primaris stuff as an experiment

But it’s not clear

[rose thorn]

what is the cawdor treasure hunters gonna look lik?

[dusk patrol]

But they could fall and you could definitely make some

[storm jungle]

Not yet but it prob wont happen

They'll get primaris traitors but like

they'll prob dress up in 30k gear

[queen laurel]

That is true

[storm jungle]

if you show corrupted primaris gear it kinda steps on Loyalist miniature toes

GW is touchy over shit like that

[paper haven]

Take a teenager, throw him into a vat, fully grown space marine comes out and/or is mutated beyond recognition. Rinse repeat

[dusk patrol]

They definitely tend to lean for more quantity over quality

The ones who survive rise up

Those who don’t, tough

[celest dome]

Is the rinsing needed ? or can we just push the next candidate among the guts ?

[paper haven]

Depends of the warband

[dusk patrol]

If he’s too much of a bitch to survive without rinsing he didn’t deserve it

Water is worth something, his life isn’t

[sour hornet]

Do they uhh, take the whole marine?

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/water-of-life-dune-2-dune-part-2-worm-piss-dune-2-dune-part-2-aila-atreides-gif-12773915920798692802

[dusk patrol]

They steal the geneseed from marine bodies and from gene storage

However they can basically

[paper haven]

While there is something to be said for survival of the fittest, at some point you do need to take actions to give new recruits a chance greater than if you just shot them in the head

[dusk patrol]

Source?

[sour hornet]

Okay, so they mostly abduct slaves to make recruits from stolen geneseed?

[paper haven]

Night Lords novel

[storm jungle]

They do anything

[dusk patrol]

How they recruit varies

Same as loyalists often

[storm jungle]

Slaves, recruits, populations from their own planets they own

etc

Its very much what loyalists do but more bloody/daemons/spiky

and uh

[dusk patrol]

They’ll also poach from loyalist recruiting worlds

[celest dome]

Some recruit from planets that are loyal to them

[storm jungle]

disorganized

[storm jungle]

Yeah this but its the most rarest one usually

[dusk patrol]

They also have worlds they cycle and recruit from

[storm jungle]

Warbands are built like Mafia City

unless you can grow big and get a proper big legion you are kind of a homeless person

[paper haven]

It's not uncommon for them to capture slaves and pick out the younger men to transform into space marines

[storm jungle]

better get to looting trashcans

aka space hulks

[paper haven]

Just gotta clear out the genestealers

And the orks

Daemons too, probably

[dusk patrol]

In the Deathwatch books the Death Spectre librarian was fought over as a kid between his chapter and a chaos warband trying to get him since a psyker aspirant of notable power like he was is very valuable.

[queen laurel]

Some of Their terminators are literally using stubbers

They have as much wealth as a dark tide Ogryn

[dusk patrol]

Which he wasn’t aware of until later

[storm jungle]

Look its a big gun

[paper haven]

Big gun = more kill

[sour hornet]

So they're kind of just floating around the eye when not on raids, because most have no planets?

[storm jungle]

Anywhere

like uh

[gray umbra]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

think of it as a game ala Chapter Master

you got your chapter

how are you gonna grow it?

[paper haven]

Pretty much, yeah

[storm jungle]

you slowly build it

[dusk patrol]

Theres a lot of variance

[storm jungle]

you explore options

you get recruits

[dusk patrol]

Some have little bases

[storm jungle]

its WAY too dependant

[dusk patrol]

Some roam

Some have a planet

It varies wildly, there’s no rule

[storm jungle]

Yeah again its like a videogame, you gotta sit your ass down Build + Gather

[gray umbra]

Huron blackheart has a pirate empire

[paper haven]

Biggest challenge is the need for geneseed, followed by viable human subjects

[dusk patrol]

The Red Corsairs are bigger than any other chaos group besides the Black Legion

This includes other legions

[outer wave]

So you say steal, but would that imply some CSMs are using loyalist geneseeds and would therefore gain the traits of that legion?

[storm jungle]

Huron also has his warband to be as big as the legions as 30k

[gray umbra]

But then you get some khorne warband floating place to place on some shitty battlebarge murdering and raidiny

[sour hornet]

You guys are making it sound like being a loyalist but shittier. At least loyalists can stop at any port they want.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

It is largely

[paper haven]

Yep

[storm jungle]

thats basically it

[dusk patrol]

Unless you’re a big boy

[storm jungle]

yes

[dusk patrol]

It’s really hard to be a chaos warlord

[storm jungle]

^

[outer wave]

Thats actually really cool

[storm jungle]

Even loyalists gotta dhere to rprotocol

they cant just take shit they dont earn

[dusk patrol]

That’s an advantage to the loyalists

[gray umbra]

Chaos guys have a really shitty existence

[dusk patrol]

Their training and gear and supply lines

[gray umbra]

Even the big bads like huron have problems

[dusk patrol]

Something only the larger chaos factions get

[paper haven]

Look, you're a band of renegades living in the literal portal to hell.

[gray umbra]

Huron is literally on the edge of death

[dusk patrol]

That’s the dichotomy

[gray umbra]

And needs frequent maintenance on his brain

[storm jungle]

Yeah this.

As a loyalist you do jobs/sidequests, gather allies and good will, and with that comes loot. Weapons, vehicles, special shit.

[paper haven]

It's not a great situation, logistically speaking, to be in

[outer wave]

You are dealing with a bunch of gangs with varying sanity, led by a leader of varying sanity, while also being a CSM that has varying sanity

[dapper gyro]

Most of Chaos SM are counted as daemon, so they get revived in the realm of their gods anyway

[dusk patrol]

A lot of marines who turn traitor lament their lack of support and need to scrounge for supplies

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Most are not

Some of the most dangerous are

[sour hornet]

Loyalists can ask for geneseed from other chapters, Traitors are just genuinely shit outta luck if there isn't anyone nearby.

Is it possible to use sorcery to conjure up a progenoid or two?

[dusk patrol]

But not most

[storm jungle]

Not impossible but you'd need to call i nsome serious favors

[hallow plover]

Huron is good at managing resources

[storm jungle]

and like got a lot of clout

also be in favor etc

[gray umbra]

They mostly steal geneseed or rely on the ones their brothers are growing naturally

[storm jungle]

You are much better off stealing geneseed

[sour hornet]

Favor with your patron god or fellow CSM?

[gray umbra]

Its easier to steal it since chaos geneseed easily mutates

[dusk patrol]

Long War Veterans and Plague Marines and Kakophoni and Tsons sorcerers and so on are not the most common types of chaos marines. Most are pretty shit.

[storm jungle]

CSM

[dapper gyro]

So while they do recruit, they don't need to do big harvest.

[storm jungle]

its all about politics

[dusk patrol]

Black Crusade does a good job showing how much it can suck to be a CSM at the lower levels

[paper haven]

There is a way to get geneseed without stealing it. As space marines mature, they produce an additional gland that can be extracted. Meaning that each space marine can potentially make two to replace him.

[dusk patrol]

Also you can grow geneseed on slaves

[paper haven]

Provided you are able to recover his body and it isn't mutated

[dusk patrol]

Which chapters and legions do sometimes to maintain levels if they can

The extra progenoid they all grow is harvested super early

[storm jungle]

Like okay you got this big sorceror that can instantly vaporize you to get you a few glands, now you are probably in his dept or he can just erase the glands he got to you whenever he wants, or just tricked you from the start and the glands he got for you that got implanted in your men will turn them into Spawn loyal to him.

Its a very shitty situation to be a CSM, these are just a few variables. The guy could do this as much as because you wronged him i nthe past from some shit you dont remember to him just being a cunt.

[paper haven]

Yeah, there's also the slaves that get implanted purely to make more, but both processes are quite slow

[wintry scarab]

Whats that one nightlords book that everyone raves about?

[storm jungle]

the trilogy?

[dusk patrol]

Night Lords trilogy

Probably

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only thing they are known for

(no jabs)

[hallow plover]

Sadly you are right

[dusk patrol]

It goes into what being in a warband full of losers is like

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Feels like a jab

[storm jungle]

the problem is people think NL are the best from it

[dusk patrol]

It’s their main thing

[gray umbra]

Main character is chronically depressed because everyone he lives with is a slave or psychotic

[storm jungle]

Like, theres very much a reason literally everyone by the end of the book is dead lol

[dusk patrol]

They have some other pretty good stuff but it’s definitely their main thing

[sour hornet]

Chaos is lucky the blessings you get are fucking bonkers, because this shit is simply unreal

[paper haven]

It does paint them in a far more favorable light than they deserve

[outer wave]

This is why I wanna see renegade SM: just space pirates that scrounge for things but arent dedicated to any sort of god

[dusk patrol]

Problem is

[gray umbra]

Its the only gripe about the book tbh but otherwise its good

[dusk patrol]

You get all the downsides of being a CSm

With no upsides

And everyone hates you

[gray umbra]

Talos goes from petting his slaves to crucifying civilians

[sour hornet]

How Abbadon failed 13 fuckin black crusades is becoming rapidly clear the more you talk

[storm jungle]

Yeah Chaos has the advantage of the Warp which literally works on the whims of The Plot, the issue is unless you are a big dog this kind of lucky bullshit wont usually apply to you

[paper haven]

Pretty much. The trade off is that the very few Chaos space marines you do get are leagues above the loyalist versions. At least, in theory.

[dusk patrol]

Hence why examples like the Ashen Claws just kinda do their own thing

[storm jungle]

He didnt fail

Every black crusade had some seperate objective

some small

some big

[paper haven]

Well

[storm jungle]

it was prep-attacks for basically conquering Cadia

but last mintue changes uh "happened"

[dusk patrol]

Some were more losses than others but they weren’t all him attacking Cadia and failing yeah

[hallow plover]

It was all "just as planned" by abaddon

[storm jungle]

Yeah some were literally "Go fuck up this planet"

[paper haven]

Translation: Abbadon was getting his ass kicked and he threw a temper tantrum and blew up the planet

[dusk patrol]

And to be clear this has been a thing since 3rd edition

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

This isn’t new lore

[hallow plover]

(There's so much you can plan for when you lead a bunch of lunatics)

[dusk patrol]

People can’t read, which is also not new lore.

[sour hornet]

Yeah but fuck up in the loyalists and you may get bumped down a few ranks, or killed at worst. Chaos fuck ups get punished so much worse.

[hallow plover]

Tbh dropping large objects on planets is a valid strategy

[dusk patrol]

Generally when marines fuck up they die either way tbh

[gray umbra]

Eh you could be uzas and constantly be getting punched in the face

[dusk patrol]

They’re not dealing with low stakes stuff

[paper haven]

Becoming a chaos spawn is legit one of the worst fates you can suffer.
However becoming a Daemon prince is probably one of the best.

There is no middle ground with Chaos

[dusk patrol]

Arguable there for daemon prince but either way

[crystal forum]

being a bitch to chaos sounds bad no matter your rank

[sour hornet]

It's very zero-sum as a CSM, they're like homeless crackhead cultists. But simultaneously the deadliest thing your entire family line has faced in like 500 years.

[dusk patrol]

There’s also stuff to suggest daemon princes basically experience identity death

[paper haven]

Pretty accurate summary

[outer wave]

Id argue Daemon Princes have it worse; sure you gain power and keep your mind, but you officially become a dog on a leash for your god

[storm jungle]

Also remember

[crystal forum]

their souls die

[storm jungle]

Chaos Marines are literally Decepticons

"You failed me for the last time Starscream" ahh

[gray umbra]

Does abaddon turn into a glock

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformers-prime-starscream-transformers-starscream-gif-13636594575230156534

[storm jungle]

I wish

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/megatron-d-16-decepticons-high-guard-seekers-gif-5803768427628963145

[storm jungle]

he doesnt even turn into a sword

[crystal forum]

when you become chaos you literally die in the classical psychology sense

[paper haven]

A fair point, but if you're already that deep you really have no choice but to go all in with your god

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-starscream-i-guess-that-makes-me-the-new-leader-new-leader-the-transformers-gif-11896355149577333150

Mfw Abbadon coughs

[outer wave]

Yeah thats the unfortunate bit with chaos

[sour hornet]

Bro what?

[arctic talon]

I HURON AM YOUR NEW LEADER

[outer wave]

Which chaos legion would be Devastator?

[dusk patrol]

(This is actually from an episode where Megatron literally just loses his voice and Starscream says that)

[gray umbra]

Has seizure

[sour hornet]

Your psyche dies when you ascend?

Since when?

[dusk patrol]

Sorta maybe kinda

[gray umbra]

Kinda

[paper haven]

One could argue the Black Legion is a moderate middle ground for chaos forces. They don't rely on the gifts of Chaos as heavily and are a bit closer to a traditional military force

[dusk patrol]

We see some ascensions where people change a lot or seem to like, realize they’re changing in a way they don’t want

[crystal forum]

happens to a CSM in the good cadia novel

[arctic talon]

The black legion are organized

[crystal forum]

his soul just dies

[arctic talon]

Just

They’re also

Still chaos with all the same issues

[gray umbra]

Generally speaking chaos guys tend to lose a few iqs but people like the primarchs kind of stop giving a shit aside from whatever theyre doing

[storm jungle]

probably Iron Warriors

[storm jungle]

just like their playerbase

[crystal forum]

he screams at khorne for not caring about him and a demon tells him that chaos gods dont give a shit whether you worship them or curse them

[storm jungle]

looking at you world eaters

you fucking dumbfucks

[outer wave]

God that'd be so awesome to see

[storm jungle]

DIE

[crystal forum]

so it's pretty funny to imagine that a chaos prince is allowed to hate their god

[dusk patrol]

The issue is they’re preoccupied with the immaterium then the materium

[gray umbra]

I love the world eaters because of how dumb they are

[paper haven]

Remove brain make more angry

[outer wave]

"Iron Warriors, unite!" Fuses into one big metal man

[gray umbra]

Yeah like fulgrim gives 0 shits about his legion

[arctic talon]

Average loyalist and csm interaction on resources

[dusk patrol]

Reminder that the final step of implanting the nails is literally to hammer it in with a mallet

From a marine

[arctic talon]

Yeah he fucked off to do his own thing

[paper haven]

I'd rather be a World Eater than an Emperor's Child(ren?)

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather be neither

[crystal forum]

the shitty version

[sour hornet]

So they're the sensible marines but chaos? What is their glaring flaw?

[gray umbra]

Tzeentch loves that ahriman thinks hes in control of his destiny

[dusk patrol]

They’re all types of marines

Also there’s no sensible CSM

[arctic talon]

I’d rather just not be a marine

[dusk patrol]

They’re fucking CSM

[arctic talon]

They’re CSM

[dusk patrol]

Marines aren’t even sensible

[arctic talon]

That’s the downside

Lol

Being a SM is already ass

Being a CSM is even worse

[crystal forum]

you get to kill every day why tf wouldn't you be happy

i want to maim and slaughter

[storm jungle]

CSM are easy to get because they are just evil assholes yeah

[dusk patrol]

I can do that by driving past an elementary school

[storm jungle]

its why i made the decepticon example

[paper haven]

During the fall of Cadia, the necron pylons obliterated all chaos demons on the planet. The Black Legion was largely unaffected by that, at least not as badly as the other factions.
Downsides are that they aren't superpowered by the forces of hell.

[storm jungle]

they are literally them

[gray umbra]

Its like dilara said a long time ago

[sour hornet]

Bro I'm not being human, if I had to be human, I'd be a spire noble. If I had to be a fighting human, I'm being a AdMech titan pilot.

[arctic talon]

Tbh CSM chosen felt noticeably weaker when the pylons hit

[dusk patrol]

Black Legion has plenty of all types of marines

[gray umbra]

All sms are mentally turbovirgins

[arctic talon]

Eat the gun

[dusk patrol]

They don’t lack possessed

[gray umbra]

Especially the csms

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763964440378605568/1188344276145418260/IMG_3457.gif

[dusk patrol]

Relatable

[arctic talon]

Just blow your head open

Easiest solution to living in 40K

Lol

[storm jungle]

I more meant that with them being in romantical relationships NOOOO

[dusk patrol]

Pfft good luck getting a gun

[paper haven]

I did say largely unaffected. Individual warbands have different makes

[dusk patrol]

Now back to the factory

[sour hornet]

Being a space elf pirate sounds pretty kickass though

[arctic talon]

I’ll just use the melta cutter on the factory floor and piss off the forge master

[dusk patrol]

They weren’t though they had a ton of possessed and daemons and all that on the planet

[arctic talon]

When my brains are splattered all over the tank

[dusk patrol]

They have plague marines and stuff

[paper haven]

Edgy elf or regular elf?

[arctic talon]

Pirate elf

[gray umbra]

Lol this is applicable with everything else too

[dapper gyro]

Dark Eldar pirate?

[sour hornet]

Do they cut off warp mutations? I know the the gods force mutations on those they like, or don't like.

[arctic talon]

Some do, some don’t

The black legion is very varied

[dusk patrol]

Black Legion isn’t a monolith

[paper haven]

It is outright stated that while the pylons fucked up the demonic forces, the Black Legion remained able to operate effectively. I don't know what else to tell you

[gray umbra]

You dont have to worship the dark gods

[arctic talon]

They’re United by one thing

They hate the imperium

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Those were their demonic forces

They could still operate

[paper haven]

And that loss didn't cripple them

[gray umbra]

Some see their power as a tool(with varying results)

[dusk patrol]

But they were affected by it a lots it’s just most CSM aren’t possessed or whatever

[paper haven]

Which was my entire point

[sour hornet]

Regular elf, though edgy elves are appealing. Just don't die & you're good. Haemonculi can bring you back.

[paper haven]

Sometimes. Depends of the individual.

[arctic talon]

You can die and you’re good tbh

Just need a contract

With a haemonculi

Which is another horrifying to get thing entirely

[dusk patrol]

Just don’t be poor

[arctic talon]

Real

[storm jungle]

^

Haemonculi are like plastic surgeons

[paper haven]

That requires trusting a Haemonculi

[storm jungle]

they will take your botox away

[arctic talon]

Would you rather get tormented by slaanesh for eternity or by a haemonculi for a few hours

[dusk patrol]

They’re fairly trustworthy as long as you don’t fuck them over

Sorta

[sour hornet]

Yeah but that sounds like a pretty raw deal, all the downsides of traitorism w/ out any of the good sides.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

They mostly war with eachother

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Haemonculi need customers

Lol

[storm jungle]

Haemonculi usually never betray clients

also that lol

any homonculus betraying a customer would get ousted

Deldar got a super tight society

lots of unwritten rules

[arctic talon]

Now a wrack betraying a haemonculi

That’s where it’s at

[storm jungle]

That is actively encouraged too

lmao

[paper haven]

Yeah it's pretty bleak. Basically the only reason most of them are still fighting is because they really do hate the Imperium that much

[arctic talon]

The black legion are literally United by hate

Lol

[gray umbra]

Its pretty common but yeah to your point sometimes you get consequences that arent worth the cost

[paper haven]

I forget, what are wracks again?

[storm jungle]

the diciplines of haemonculi

their half-naked surgeon goons

[arctic talon]

Haemonculi students

[paper haven]

Ah. Gotcha

[arctic talon]

They’re neat

[sour hornet]

You're making being an edgy elf sound pretty appealing. Just don't be poor and the haemonculi will revive you for a small piece of your essence.

[dusk patrol]

It’s the front part of a ladies che- I mean what they said

[storm jungle]

GETOU-

[arctic talon]

Usually from really bored kabalites and wych’s

Lol

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar society is absolutely miserable, its like Night City on steroids

just be a corsair

[arctic talon]

I’m bored of life time to try something new

[gray umbra]

Like being empowered by the blood god even if you dont actually worship him but now youre a barely lucid manchild

[dusk patrol]

Here’s a photo of one of my cats as penance

[arctic talon]

Working for some horrific master of flesh

[arctic talon]

Must pet

[paper haven]

It's worth noting that Dark Eldar are forced to betray and torture just to survive. I mean, if that's what you're into, then you're golden

[arctic talon]

Tbh

If you’re at some low level in a kabal

You’ll live a pretty comfortable life lol

Well comfortable by drukhari standards

Only downside is you might get sent in as a sacrificial lamb to die sometimes

[paper haven]

I've heard that being a uh... foot soldier? Whatever they call them, is pretty stress free

[dusk patrol]

Also eventually the years catch up with you

[sour hornet]

It really all leads back to "just be a corsair" huh?

[gray umbra]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Craftworld Eldar society is not terrible, Corsairs just see more action. Drukhari life is miserable.

[paper haven]

Also, the Red Corsairs seem to be a decent choice if you wanna go chaos

[arctic talon]

Kabalite warriors are pretty wealthy all things considered

It’s pretty funny how we only see the rich drukhari

[gray umbra]

Lots of regular eldar corsairs are bored craftsworld eldar

[arctic talon]

None of the miserable poor

[gray umbra]

They need to go through their johnny silverhand phase

[dusk patrol]

Corsairs live a much riskier life and often ride the edge between becoming a Drukhari if they’re not careful, especially the ones who get really attached to the Path of the Outcast

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The yvraine in question

[storm jungle]

Yeah it very much depends on what warband you also join

and uh

[dusk patrol]

Which is why many still keep themselves rooted to their craft world to some degree

[paper haven]

Because poor dark elves don't get any screen time

[storm jungle]

how easily manipulative your emotions are

aka dont be a fucking SIMP

[arctic talon]

They’re busy being worked to death in sweatshops

[paper haven]

If they're lucky

[arctic talon]

Path of the incel

[dusk patrol]

Also Corsair Princes are canonically those 30-40 year old guys with ricer cars who hang out with high schoolers and smoke pot with them.

[paper haven]

A dangerous path to tread

[sour hornet]

It does sound fun though, being cooped up w/ bunch of LOTR elves sounds like hell after about 150 years.

[dusk patrol]

You get really good at basket weaving though

[storm jungle]

Its exactly why Outcasts exist

[paper haven]

Look, you can either be bored to death or dead to death

[gray umbra]

Average corsair

[storm jungle]

but remember you can literally almost do anything in craftworld eldar society.

[arctic talon]

Show me someone lost on the path of the basketweaver on god

Do it GW

[arctic talon]

I need to see the ultimate basket

[dusk patrol]

Family crying as he becomes consumed by his basket, losing his soul to it

[paper haven]

They got too far into it. Can't stop. Hundreds have died already.

[sour hornet]

"Muh empire!" "Buh, humans are nothing but warmongering mon'keigh!"

Outta my way exarch I have about three different chartist lanes to pillage this week.

[storm jungle]

To be fair

corsairs think that way too

but again it depends on the eldar

[paper haven]

I like the confidence.

[dusk patrol]

Corsairs aren’t really known for their subtlety or humility

[storm jungle]

Mostly.

[paper haven]

What's that Eldar? It's a little difficult to hear you over the sound of a literal god of debauchery being born because you couldn't chill.

[storm jungle]

Again depends on the warband

[sour hornet]

Eldar chuds are truly impossible to escape.

[storm jungle]

some are total psychos some are homies

[arctic talon]

Drukhari moment

[storm jungle]

Its not chuddery when they are right tbh

humans are about the same

"the galaxy belongs to us tho"

gets gauss'd in the face

[paper haven]

Yeah, just be right

Easy

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-gauss-gaussflayer-warhammer-40k-necron-gif-11293259030475458729

AAAA-

[dusk patrol]

40 K is about ignoring all the flaws in your civilization while magnifying everyone else’s

[storm jungle]

Just like real life

[dusk patrol]

Fortunately, we don’t do this in real life

[storm jungle]

oh whoops

[paper haven]

Tribalism at its finest.

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

REAL and TRUE

[paper haven]

Or worst, if we're talking about the factions we don't like

Come on, space elves, stop being racist.

[storm jungle]

yeah like world eaters

[sour hornet]

It didn't happen.

I don't remember it.

Humans probably have done something worse.

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

The important thing is that we learned nothing from any of this

[paper haven]

Not yet, but we're giving it our best effort.

[arctic talon]

There's an official darkest dungeon flagellant body pillow

wtf

[paper haven]

I got a good feeling about M41

[dusk patrol]

After all those who learn nothing from history, get to keep replaying over and over again for that new game plus

[sour hornet]

I'm just going for the high score

[rocky gale]

Aren't we already in m42?

[dusk patrol]

It’s M42

[paper haven]

Heh. Yeah, that's the joke.

[sour hornet]

You need your rejuvenat pills?

[paper haven]

I switched over to crystals.

[dusk patrol]

Warhammer 42K doesn’t have quite the same ring

[paper haven]

My aura has never been cleaner. Or so I've been told.

[sour hornet]

A human called me “knife ear” the other day and I REFUSE to de-escalate.

[dusk patrol]

Imagine being born in like, 26764.

What an embarrassing time to be alive

[arctic talon]

Knife ear isn't even an insult in 40k

as far as I'm aware

or WHFB

lol

[paper haven]

It was a compliment!
Probably.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, calling someone an elf is enough of a slur

[arctic talon]

LOL

[paper haven]

If not, then it was just a joooooke

[gray umbra]

Knife ear is from warcraft 3

[sour hornet]

Is that an in-universe insult?

[dusk patrol]

To Dawi it is

[paper haven]

Actually yes

[sour hornet]

40k is oddly prescient in that regard

[dusk patrol]

They use Elgi like a slur lol

[paper haven]

There was a woman corsair who was rummored to be half-elf and that was absolutely meant as an insult

[arctic talon]

Elgi is an insult

Getting called half eldar is absolutely an insult lol

since its not possible biologically(as far as we know)

[sour hornet]

Bro ofc the dwarves are racist too istg

[arctic talon]

aside from Haemonculi experiments

Dwarves in WHFB are like

extremely racist

[sour hornet]

[dusk patrol]

Wrong

[arctic talon]

Umgak = shoddily made

umgi = human

[dusk patrol]

They’re based

[paper haven]

That's goin in the book of grudges.

[arctic talon]

Good

The book of grudges surviving The End Times

is still funny as shit

how the fuck did it survive the planet blowing up

[paper haven]

What happens if you burn the book of grudges?

[dusk patrol]

Well, I’m sure the universe being destroyed at least changed that right?

[paper haven]

Does that mean world peace?

[sour hornet]

The bipedal bowling balls and their book surviving the end times

a shame

[arctic talon]

💀

[paper haven]

Aw don't worry. You'll get 'em next time.

[arctic talon]

Archaeon seeing the Duradin around in AoS

be like

[dusk patrol]

Dwarves surviving by making airships is peak

[paper haven]

Skaven are my favorite fantasy faction.

[sour hornet]

Real

of all the "evil" guys, the skaven are so peak

[arctic talon]

Archaeon is probably feeling incredibly annoyed that he failed to wipe out any race

during the End Times

[dusk patrol]

Idk if you need to put evil in quotes

They’re pretty over the top evil

[sour hornet]

what's wrong w/ a little cannibalism?

[paper haven]

I assume that means evil as in the "Bad guy" factions.

As opposed to the evil "Good guy" factions

[arctic talon]

I feel like cannibalism is like

[paper haven]

We need to blow up the moon

[sour hornet]

yeah I was debating typing "bad-guy coded"

[arctic talon]

the least evil thing the skaven do

lol

[paper haven]

Why do the rats have nuclear weapons?

[sour hornet]

skaven are just survivin' man

lay off

[paper haven]

Who allowed this to happen?

That's why I love the Skaven. They don't do what they do for profit or dominance or what-have-you.
They do it for the love of the game.

[arctic talon]

they do it to take over THE WORLD

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/animaniacs-the-brain-were-taking-over-the-world-taking-over-the-world-world-domination-gif-24435867

The first Skaven

[dusk patrol]

On the contrary

It’s one of the few positives

They get rid of Skaven

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/nyc-new-york-rat-new-york-rat-food-gif-16766632

[arctic talon]

The Mortal Realms would be better without Skaven

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/ty-gif-22529408

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

It’s not accurate though

He’s showering so he’s already in the top 10%

[storm jungle]

Getting rid of those warhammer germs

[dusk patrol]

GW really dropped the ball not having a race of giant good mice to fight the Skaven

They could be in some kind of say, Abbey

A red one perhaps

[outer wave]

Sounds a bit like that book about a mouse with big ears that wanted to be a knight

Make a race of those in Warhammer!

Tale of Despereaux!

Make a Warhammer race of good big eared knight mice

[paper haven]

Warhammer tournaments don't have a showering rule, do they?

[arctic talon]

most game stores have a hygine rule

the ones I normally go to have one

[paper haven]

Thank god

[arctic talon]

ngl

Hygine rules should be mandatory

for shit like College lectures as well

Some people I've had the displeasure of being near smell fucking foul

[dusk patrol]

I wish some of the places I worked had a shower policy

[paper haven]

I don't understand the link between tournaments and an aversion to hygene

[arctic talon]

Smash Tournaments

[dusk patrol]

Some people who are into that kinda thing are generally overweight more on average

[arctic talon]

FGC hygine tierlist Super Smash bros players go into F tier

[dusk patrol]

And don’t have good hygiene

[paper haven]

You can identify what room it was held in the day after based off the smell

[dusk patrol]

Not complicated really

It only takes a few too

[arctic talon]

yeah

confined spaces

poor ventilation

[dusk patrol]

Harder for fat people to wash and if you’re inside all day you get accustomed to your own musk

[paper haven]

Once every other day is not a hard ask

Ideally daily but I feel as though that might actually be too much to ask

[gray umbra]

Dont have time to shower when youre being a GAMER

[crystal forum]

the dried sweat is extra armour

[sour hornet]

the stench?

it's just my anti daemon aura

you wouldn't understand

[dusk patrol]

I agree

[storm jungle]

Imo the most far you should go without showering is maybe one single day

I live with 3 older brothers so ive unfortunately become an expert in the matter 💀

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s the absolute bare minimum

[paper haven]

At one point I had to shower twice a day to stay clean. And even then, I still had concrete dust on me