40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

BRO LEGIT

The Munda vibes are done better than actual Munda stuff 💀

[arctic talon]

The grey

I love how horrifying it looks

In the episode 3 opening scene

[storm jungle]

I love the subversion of also like it just being The Team

i legit assumed it was some monster or creature or something lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also ||weaponizing the ventilation goes hard||

[storm jungle]

LEGIT.

[arctic talon]

Caitlyn with the enforcer mask on

Goes hard as hell

I don’t care she’s being a jackboot it looks sick

[storm jungle]

The glowy eyelenses make it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

to be fair SHE DOES realise it later

[arctic talon]

Tbf she ||also gets turned into a puppet dictator by Ambessa after she realizes it||

Also I guess I know when my favorite Zaunite girlboss came into power lol

[storm jungle]

oh wait i mixed it up with Vi

also yeah girl literally turns into Liquid Caitlyn

[arctic talon]

Considering all the ||Chem barons are getting wiped off the map||

[storm jungle]

trenchcoat and everything

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Zaun going from 1 group of psychopathic criminal gangs to another group

[storm jungle]

What else is new

[arctic talon]

Uh

Zaun being oppressed less after the events of Arcane?

And having an actual symbol to represent it

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

Instead of just being a vassal of piltover

[queen laurel]

what do you mean less oppressed?

[arctic talon]

I mean less oppressed

They’re more seperate

They’re referred to as twin city states

The city of glass and iron

The city of progress

[queen laurel]

I mean the citizens are still oppressed but I guess the city is its own thing now i guess

[arctic talon]

They went from piltovan oppressors to more Chem baron ones

And travel is less restricted

I guess

From one jackboot to the other lol

[queen laurel]

Lovely it is

[arctic talon]

This symbol goes hard smh

[queen laurel]

Piltover and zaun i'm pretty sure are the height of technology in runterra right?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Hextech and Chemtech

Are as advanced as it gets

Unless you count magic powered stuff

[queen laurel]

but if we're talking like magical related technology

it can get even higher

[arctic talon]

The Leviathan is the peak of Noxian naval engineering

Thing is powered with both steam and magic

Chemtech is basically fancy steam technology tbh

[queen laurel]

there is that simplistic brutal pragmatic noxus look

[arctic talon]

The energy and steam created from mixing chemicals

Powers the stuff

Hextech is just harnessing magical rocks

And steam

[opaque coyote]

The same artist made a sketch afterwards

...he still looks terrifying tbh

[arctic talon]

Those eyes scare me

[opaque coyote]

actually probably even more so

[queen laurel]

Chemtech is more powerful because it's more volatile right

[arctic talon]

Depends

Chemtech is much less restricted

Since it’s way more studied

[opaque coyote]

Imagine Butcher's Nails Angron smiling

[arctic talon]

It’s a known thing

[opaque coyote]

Just the knowledge of

"You're fucked"

[arctic talon]

Chemtech also can produce way more energy

With like a smaller package

Due to how volatile the chemicals you use can be

[storm jungle]

Fire Nation ass ship

i love it

[arctic talon]

Real

Noxus was absolutely inspired by the fire nation

For their siege engines lol

[storm jungle]

LEGIT

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

Hextech can produce way more deveststing effects

But it’s experimental

And it’s hard to work with

And absurdly expensive

Like hextech is for the rich person the average piltovan

Probably has never touched hextech they own

[queen laurel]

so what you're saying is that if i know how to harness both effectively and then make a giant cannon it's gonna be more devastating if it's hextech?

[arctic talon]

Prolly

Mixing the two is always smart

[arctic talon]

It’s expensive and hard to do but Renata’s decanter has hextech in it

[queen laurel]

oh is that her arm or her robot thing that floats around her?

[arctic talon]

Ignore the fact she literally committed a terrorist attack to get her hands on the hextech necessary for it

The robot thing floating around her

Her hand is all Chemtech

And her main form of self defense is just a gun

[queen laurel]

i see but also considering the fact that she makes the most potent type of Chemtech

[arctic talon]

Not the most potent

Just the prettiest

The primary thing she makes money from is pharmaceuticals

[queen laurel]

really?

that's it?

[arctic talon]

I mean

[queen laurel]

well

[arctic talon]

It’s really good

It’s just not the best

It looks pretty

And piltovans and zaunites both love aesthetically pleasing things

Also she sells her Chemtech pretty cheap

It’s affordable, looks good and is effective

[queen laurel]

i mean it's a smart market tactic

your buyers like nice looking things and it's an effective nice looking thing

sell it for cheap and watch as every customer belongs to you

[arctic talon]

Okay I take it back her pistol is Chemtech

[queen laurel]

is this like a gas pistol?

you know not powered by gunpowder

[arctic talon]

It’s steam powered technically yeah

In any case it’s prolly not shooting normal bullets

[queen laurel]

yeah but considering it's chem steam it probably hits very very hard

[arctic talon]

Not like the average Chem baron needs to do their own dirty work

Tbh

Renata just enjoys watching people suffer like her parents did

Rags to riches story but instead of becoming a good person she becomes incredibly evil and ruthless

[queen laurel]

i do find it funny that she shares a neighborhood with someone that make technology that allows him to manipulate time to a certain extent

[arctic talon]

Who

[queen laurel]

Ekko

[arctic talon]

Oh

Wait I’m dumb lol

[queen laurel]

Bro VIktor is Piltover

[arctic talon]

Renata is a “benevolent” tyrant

[arctic talon]

He’s zaunite

And as of the current year in league lore

He lives in zaun

[queen laurel]

make sense

[opaque coyote]

Lorax ahh core

[arctic talon]

The oncler didn’t threaten to make someone kill their own husband or commit a suicide bombing

[queen laurel]

Ekko's tech is Hextech right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s using a giant shard of a hextech gemstone

[opaque coyote]

The Onceler was originally gonna be darker during the production of the movie

Apparently his pollution was actually supposed to y'know

kill people

[arctic talon]

Yes

I mean it obviously did kill people

They just don’t say that shit out loud

Because they’re beholden to glorious shareholders

[queen laurel]

wait isn't he basically using like the height of hextech, we're talking a guy here who can manipulate time to a certain extent thanks to that

[opaque coyote]

Also there is a cut song from that fucking era and the problem is that it's so fucking awesome that I unironically still listen to it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the cut song basically implies it heavily

Too dark so they cut it tho

Which sucks

[arctic talon]

I mean, time manipulation magic isn’t incredibly rare

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Well it used to not be incredibly rare

Rip icathia

You were a real one

[queen laurel]

yeah magic makes sense but like time manipulating tech?

[arctic talon]

Ekko is harnessing hextech in a new way

Hextech is magic

[opaque coyote]

anyways should I watch Arkane

[arctic talon]

Just manipulated with pure science

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

even though I don't know shit about

LoL

[queen laurel]

yeah that is true

[opaque coyote]

or play it

[arctic talon]

Watch Arcane

You don’t need to know anything

[opaque coyote]

okay

[arctic talon]

To enjoy it

[queen laurel]

in a way you can say that magic is a type of science

[arctic talon]

It is

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

There’s colleges for it

But hextech let’s a non mage use magic

[opaque coyote]

I generally like when Magic Systems are more scientific weirdly enough

[queen laurel]

even at warhammer there's an entire college dedicated to that

[opaque coyote]

Like there are physics and shit for it

[arctic talon]

If you aren’t born with magic

You can’t use it

[opaque coyote]

I think Frieren is also cool for having a similar thing as well

[arctic talon]

Not without hextech

Or runic weaponry

[opaque coyote]

I remember a moment where a Demon was locked away for centuries. He had a super-omega kill spell.

The interesting part is the people studied how it works

and now it became basic shit

[queen laurel]

so that's why Demacia treats mages that are born like mutants

[arctic talon]

Yes

Except they stopped

And the civil war has degenerated further

[opaque coyote]

And Frieren literally makes fun of the Demon, who JUST got free from centuries of being a statue btw, by almost immediately killing him with his own omega death spell

[arctic talon]

Into a 3 way one lol

[arctic talon]

L demon

[opaque coyote]

After saying that it has become a beginner's spell

Because well... it has

Magic advances in Frieren

Which is cool

[arctic talon]

In any case a lot of magic techniques in leagues universe started off as hard and got easier

Runic weaponry is an example of it

[queen laurel]

how strong is demacia against non magical threats

because a lot of their things are designed to counter magic like its a disease

[arctic talon]

Strong still

Still a highly competent army

[queen laurel]

ok good

[arctic talon]

Petracite just helps even the playing field

Even further in their favor

[queen laurel]

Demacian steel also helps

i swear they have anti magic on literally every facet of their military

[arctic talon]

Yea

They hate mages lol

Or at least used to

[queen laurel]

wait it's modern Day Demacia less hateful of them now

[arctic talon]

It’s a 3 way civil war now

[queen laurel]

Welp

Fuck it we ball

[arctic talon]

Antimage, the original mage rebellion, the original Demacian government reformed

And tbh demacia has even worse issues

[queen laurel]

how many civil wars do you think we will get if the truth about jarvan's letter comes out

[arctic talon]

There’s like 2 demons prowling around it right now

[arctic talon]

It already did

Jarvan IV admitted he was wrong

[queen laurel]

Ohhh i see

3 it is

[arctic talon]

Jarvan’s love for Shyvanna was too much

[queen laurel]

you mean that gold armor wearing, dragon kissing runt?

actually admitted he was wrong

[arctic talon]

Yes

Incredible I know

But when most of the people you know

Tell you you need to stop and reconsider

And your spouse leaves you

You might actually reconsider

Shocking I know

[opaque coyote]

Nah double, triple, quadriple dowqn

[queen laurel]

hey it only took him seeing people he cares get hurt to snap out it

[opaque coyote]

be a real man fr

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also shyvanna’s redesign will come out someday

Surely

Next region up after piltover and zaun is looking to be Noxus or Ionia

Unless riot does a big curveball

Not that I’d complain

[queen laurel]

ok so the 3 way is this if i'm counting it right

the reformed gov is JArvan
mage rebels sylas
and anti mage is old gov members

[arctic talon]

Anti mage isn’t old gov members

It’s a mix

[queen laurel]

ok

[arctic talon]

That third faction is a total mess

Tbh

[queen laurel]

so Sylas i'm guessing fights the reformed gov because he still wants revenge?

[arctic talon]

He hates kings

He hates the idea of any continuation

Of demacia’s old government

I won’t say he’s entirely wrong but sylas is also

Literally a terrorist lol

[queen laurel]

Aight Megatron

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/starwarsdude-megatron-rise-up-gif-17370269497108493712

Tbh

Whatever the choice is for the next animated show riot is doing

I hope there’s less retcons

Noxus seems literally the exact same based on both last season of arcane and this season though

[queen laurel]

well let's hope Sylas find some redemption or something unfortunately he seems way to gone

[arctic talon]

Idk

He grew some of a moral backbone

That doesn’t mean he’s a good person then again, I wouldn’t jarvan or sylas good people

They’re both terribly flawed people

[queen laurel]

yes they are

well let's see how long this civil war lasts

[arctic talon]

Caitlyn ||speed running the cop domestic abuse record||

[arctic talon]

For the foreseeable future

It’s calmer now

It’s a “cold” war now

[queen laurel]

wait Sylas is not Launching magical assaults and some shit?

wow they have learned how to calm down more

[arctic talon]

He was for a while

He’s chilled out(for now)

After the demacian border fort attack

[queen laurel]

aight then that's good

[arctic talon]

But for places with actual mage colleges, Noxus, Ixtal, Frjelord(frostguard only), Ionia

For places that had mage colleges, Shurima, Icathia, Targon, Zaun(technically)

Zaun was a port city of Shurima

So it did have a mage school

No clue what happened to it but it’s pretty murky what happened to Zaun before the early modern era anyways

[queen laurel]

well then Fuck it we ball

[arctic talon]

I mean some of the ancient vaults from it are still around

But it’s underneath the modern zaun

[rose thorn]

Hey chat

[queen laurel]

wassup Grot Queen

[rose thorn]

Thinking about what the hobgrot character will do

I’m gonna guess it’s gonna be a named character

Honestly

If that all we get that would be okay

Krule boyz is a generally pretty flesh out army, they really just need cavalry

[queen laurel]

Iron jawz are pretty much set us like a either a slow grinding down army of infantry

or a brutal monstrous cavalry with giant hogs

they do their job as an elite army of hard hitting maniacs

[rose thorn]

The last iron jaws update was pretty good

[queen laurel]

Kruleboyz really do need Cavalry

like if their entire play style is bamboozling someone cavalry is good at that

[rose thorn]

I know why they didn’t

[queen laurel]

Especially now that they are basically solo

and wouldn't have the support of the other clans

[rose thorn]

Because in 3rd each army was supposed to fill what was missing for the other

For big wah

But now that divorce is real

I think at most, iron jawz need a really shitty ranged unit

[queen laurel]

yeah and with out the Bonesplitterz, Ironjawz can play a very speedy style in expense of some defenses

[rose thorn]

Mhm

[queen laurel]

like you are still 100% cover on playing brute

but now you can you know go full cavalry monster

[rose thorn]

Also I think weird brute should have wizard one lol

[queen laurel]

the one with the ball and chain?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

They are berserker wizards (I think)

[queen laurel]

oh no

Weirdbrutes are basically ragers so insane

that metal masks are hammered into their heads to apparently quell the pain

but it only makes them angry

[rose thorn]

Metal?

[queen laurel]

bone and metal

[rose thorn]

Oh damn

My bad orruk naming convention got me </4

[rose thorn]

Is that why they have a 5+ ward?

(Insane)

Honestly the AOS team did such a good job making both of the brutes (not brutes but ragaz and wrekkas)

[queen laurel]

WEIRDBRUTE WREKKAZ
Sometimes an orruk Brute gets so thoroughly swept up in the anarchic thrum of the Waaagh! that they go as their fellows put it 'propa wonky'. They start yelling nonsense, vomiting green bile and lashing out at everything within reach in a frenzy. Some simply wander off into the wilds and have to be dragged back by their fellows.

Ironjawz are baffled by anything that cannot be solved through violence, and so they turn to their Weirdnob Shamans for a 'finky' solution. These apparently wise orruks possess no greater insight: they resort to hammering bone- and-iron masks deep into the skulls of the afflicted Brutes in an attempt to let out the wonkiness. Ironically enough, the sheer agony and white-hot fury caused by this process actually does fix the victim's odd behaviour albeit by transforming them into a raging, maniacal killer. Known

as Weirdbrute Wrekkaz, these orruks now see the world around them as an inferno of green fire, the clumped masses of enemy troops shining with particular intensity. Wielding oversized flails known as chain-smashas, they throw themselves at these luminous concentrations, whirling their weapons to shatter limbs and smash skulls into blood- spattered fragments.

Ironjawz Supplement

[rose thorn]

Ah

Gosh I have ZERO ideas for my iron jawz lore

[queen laurel]

yeah like they are very simple which makes them very fun to make but like

there's simplicity can also be a weakness

[rose thorn]

The main thing about iron jawz clans is the color of their armor lol

[queen laurel]

yeah that what separates them

[rose thorn]

Maybe they ahve white army

Armor

Live in ulgu so they are basically a beacon lmao

Oh maybe their armor is made form a hysh metal that makes them glow

[queen laurel]

oh that's nice

[rose thorn]

Ez

[tough haven]

So how could I introduce a Aeldari ranger as a miniboss before the party gets the mcguffin the ranger wants to steal, cause why wouldn’t they just wait for the party to take it, then assassinate them and take it

[celest dome]

Have the Ranger not be looking for the Mcguffin but for something else, and it fear that the party is there to destroy his mcguffin

[tough haven]

I have the ranger tailing the party after they notice they are hunting the people who took it as well

And I think they’ll jump in before the BBEG area, and attack the party, now that they know where it’s at, they don’t want to risk the party taking it and destroying it

Whereas they know the cold trader won’t destroy it

I also kinda want the ranger to betray them if the party tries to reach a peaceful resolution because eldar tend to do that

I get why they do it because they assume the other party will betray them so they do it first, but still, dick move

[tough haven]

But idk how to do that without making the party feel like their decisions don’t matter

How can I drop hints that this aeldari will double cross them in a way thats not too obvious?

[storm jungle]

Thats very boring imo.

Eldar betraying humans is like the most overdone trope in 40k

especially when half the time theres no reason for it

[tough haven]

Thats fair

[storm jungle]

a Ranger would largely also just not give a fuck

they are wanderers

[rocky gale]

Have them turn their back on the party and wink at the audience

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I guess I just didnt want to completely steal the plot from baggit and clodde lol

But I agree with you dilara

[queen laurel]

Steal it

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

And just you know find ways to improve it or you know make it unique

Thinking about such things can get you blocked on thinking

[celest dome]

Honestly just let the player be the one that betray the Ranger, but have him be prepared

[tough haven]

The party hasnt had any experience with 40k so I thought I could hit them with the overdone tropes and have it be novel for them

[storm jungle]

Have the Ranger maybe act as some stranger/"I wish to tag along because i also got a hand in this business" like hes some cloaked underhiver

once he actually reveals who he is to the party and probably flees with the job done it would have a better "the fuck was that all about" effect

[tough haven]

Have them try to act as if they arent a aeldari?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not too hard either.

[tough haven]

Could pass it off as a mutation or their voidborn like in RT with yrliet

[storm jungle]

you can just notify that he moves "weird" but that weird alien mutations are not exactly uncommon in the imperium etc

yeah exactly

also your party would largely have no idea what an eldar is

[tough haven]

unfortunately one of the players is a ordo xenos acolyte

[storm jungle]

DAMN

[tough haven]

so uh

might be really funny if it works

[storm jungle]

Worst case; holofield

aka TF2 Spy disguise kit-esque stuff, eldar always got the advanced shit

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-19-2015/Y6W-3K.gif

But yeah basically have the party be attacked by creative means/people, an Eldar showing up there would be a semi-big deal depending on what they are after.

[tough haven]

Hm, I kinda wanted a confrontation where the eldar is like "hey thats kinda my cultural artifact, so if you dont give it to me, I'll kill you" so the party can go "Am I really going to defile this culture for money?" and then go:

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-meme-money-grave-gif-23435920

[storm jungle]

Worst case make it something like the thing the ranger wants is embedded in the device.

So the matter can just be solved with "Just hand me that, you can have the actual thing on it that you are after within it"

then let the party decide from there

they'll prob fuck it up but it makes it more black comedy lol

[tough haven]

Well I had it as they were an ex-fire dragon who survived the raid that killed their aspect and stole their shit, and now they are on the path of the outcast trying to "regain their honor"

[storm jungle]

Ahh I see.

[tough haven]

Mostly just to recover their gear

[storm jungle]

Is the player cast after the entire armor set?

[tough haven]

I had originally thought the gun could have one of their soulstones in it

[tough haven]

its a fusion gun

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that is literally worthless

[tough haven]

but that wouldnt make sense

[storm jungle]

like to him i mean

Yeah basically make it so that its his aspect armor with the fusion gun

Just so he can go "I literally just want the stone bro, you can have everything else"

[tough haven]

the aeldari rangers armor, or one of his comrades?

[storm jungle]

Anything works imo. Considering soulstones can just be taken out of aspect armor its not like hes asking for much.

And if the party attacks him you can just have him cloak, lunge forward, slightly awfully shoot someone in a non-lethal area as a distraction and then just yoink the stone and just disappear with it to drive the point home that he really wasnt asking for much or out to do anything malicious

[queen laurel]

also damn to this day i find more evidence proving that in the past GW absolutely dunked on the eldar

well at least they are getting something good

[tough haven]

I mean, if the party attacks him, he's definitely going to fight and kill them, the party is just slightly above random goons in terms of power

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[tough haven]

In his eyes at least he should be able to easily best them

[storm jungle]

If they are basically goons yeah he very much can

or just give them the arkham batman treatment

aka spam a gadget and just "non-lethally" incapacitate them 💀

[tough haven]

The only one of merit is the acolyte

everyone else is basically hired guns because the admech guy hiring them doesnt want official mechanicus people getting into this

[tough haven]

Yeah if it ends up as a TPK I'll have them just be "incapacitated"

eldar definitely have the finesse to beat your ass withing a micrometer of your life so it hurts as much as possible without killing you

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly, basically just dont have the Ranger die, it makes it better if the players actually act normal and take his deal.

Because again he very much isnt asking for anything else, the most basic trade deal ever

[tough haven]

If they do fight the ranger and win, I want him to die and really drive home to the party that this was very much avoidable, to be like "you guys really thought you were the good guys huh?" and so I can guilt trip them

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah thats the classic 40k stuff

[tough haven]

Actually the trope being overdone might actually be a nice subversion of expectations for the player in the group who does know 40k cause he will be like "Oh I see where this is going, well I'm not going to be double crossed!"

and then have it just be like I just wanted the stone dawg

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a good showcase of that pretty much.

talking tends to solve a lot of problems in life lol

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-gif-10906823831575497868

[tough haven]

Especially because theres a lot of trust in this situation, cause when the eldar talks to them they dont have the thing yet

they've just led the eldar to where the thing is

[storm jungle]

Yeah to build up "trust" you can also just make their combat encounter something where the Ranger also helps them out a ton.

Like maybe its some slaanesh blade-dancer cultists who want the armor and were sent as a vanguard force of some larger cult in the area

etc

[arctic talon]

Just have the ranger blow someone’s head off every turn

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Don’t you like fire support

Smh

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/360-no-scope-gif-178450535740154799

[storm jungle]

fucking CRACKED

[arctic talon]

Prolly like the 4th strongest companion for raw dps tbh

Or 3rd

She prolly out damages cassia after all the nerfs she ate

[queen laurel]

assassin Yrielet moment

[arctic talon]

Real

[tough haven]

Thats the plan, he's already been doing that for the lesser encounters

[jade ledge]

Just finished Infinite and the divine was wondering || any idea if the Kork in the gallery still alive? I am just imagining an old one creation getting out and causing havoc ||

[queen laurel]

yes it's alive but the Krork is in stasis that he probably won't bring out unless he has nothing else to throw at the enemy

[jade ledge]

Nice, that book was way better then I was expecting

[soft thunder]

did the era indomitus start immediately after the great rift's openning?

[arctic talon]

Not really, it started when guilliman began the indomitus crusade

[soft thunder]

ya but like retroactively, ya know? That's the idea behind his new calendar iirc The grey area between those two events kinda confuses me.

[arctic talon]

Uh

Unclear

[soft thunder]

historians would call that time era indomitus, is what I'm thinking

[rose thorn]

Hey Chad does anyone have that tik tok that’s like ‘when you fight the black Templar player no one plays with at your LGs’

[wintry scarab]

Whats this grim protocols thing?

[queen laurel]

this?

[rose thorn]

Yup

[wicked jay]

I counter with a swing of my greatsword at the aeldaris weak spot

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah as in ‘things the army needs’ I meant in a general role filler not to fix the actual problems with the army

Iron jaws can’t hit an attack for shit and are too weak to shooting and magic

And lost a movement ability

[arctic talon]

hopefully their battletome will help

[rose thorn]

Probably will

I think the team was worried about iron jawz dominating

They nerfed teleports and movement across the board

I think the team didn’t realize how much iron jaws depended on those

[arctic talon]

me when the melee army

needs good movement

who could have forseen this

[rose thorn]

Yeha but the team assumed their health and armor would make up from it

Then I guess they forgot they nerfed armor

[arctic talon]

I mean

Durability doesn't mean shit when you can't reach the target enough to hit hard

tbh

universal issue for melee armies always

[rose thorn]

yeah but aos is a melee game, i think maybe give them either like, a way to ignore ranged or make them faster on the first battle round like DoK would be fine?

skaven just slaughter iron jaws

lmao

krule boyz is bad because they are generally a bit too expesnive points wise, and you have a not zero chance that none of your abilites do anything

bad melee, good shooting, very funny tricks

our best list theoretically is kragnos, your favorite hero, and 30 bolt boyz

[arctic talon]

Would probably work

[rose thorn]

maybe kill bow spam is better

[arctic talon]

Krangos

[rose thorn]

kragnos has carried destruction so hard

its not even funny

i think when kruleboyz have infantry worth a dam (80 point hobgrots pls :3) they wont need kragnos?

or like any good mele

[rocky gale]

It's strange, 3 of my factions are getting Battleforces next week and like I don't really want any of them

[rose thorn]

they are made specifically fo rnew players with the spear head

its weird

but

[rocky gale]

Ehhhh

[rose thorn]

amazonw ill make them 80 bucsks lol

the ironjawz one is genuine

unusable

[rocky gale]

FEC box isn't great with the Spearhead tbh

Wait Spearhead

Okay maybe

I was thinking of the Army box

Because nobody is running 30 Cryptguard

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

I mean

it'll be funny

[rocky gale]

They kinda suck tho

I want them to not suck

[rose thorn]

yeha but the alternative is ass ugly

[rocky gale]

But they do

I would run 30 Cryptguard if they weren't ass

[rose thorn]

is running crypt ghouls worth the psychological damage

of looking at the models

ill only get cryptghouls if they are in a combo box lmao

[rocky gale]

Cryptghouls are so ugly

Not even funny

[rose thorn]

i have no clue how poeple have convinced them selves anythigng from the varghast kit isnt ugly either

its such an ugly kit

[rocky gale]

Which ones the Varghast?

The Crypt horrors and flyers?

[rose thorn]

the SBGL kit, but the FEC builds too

yeah

all 3 are the same kit all 3 need to be in the trash

[arctic talon]

Varghast aren't bad imo

[rocky gale]

They're not as bad as Cryptghouls but ehh

[rose thorn]

dont gas light your self all of SBGL have

[rocky gale]

Varghulf much better

[rocky gale]

Fingers crossed for FEC second wave

[rose thorn]

i havent been up with how FEC is doing this edition

[rocky gale]

Bad

[rocky gale]

The worst

Literally worst Winrate of any faction

Like we're talking around 32% winrate or something

[rose thorn]

gw making all teh comp players sell their armies on ebay:

[rose thorn]

i read the rules, isnt it the same rules as last edition?

wahts making us so trash?

[arctic talon]

free minis

[rocky gale]

Everyone else is just stronger, too many of our abilities rely on Noble Deeds and it can be a pain getting them especially if the opponent is denying you opportunities

[rose thorn]

fr

[arctic talon]

me expanding my admech collection by over 1.5k points

when they nerfed admech in 9e

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

a lot of people had hastily painted shit selling for cheap

[rose thorn]

oh really? do priests and wizards still give free points?

[rocky gale]

Not totally sure

[rose thorn]

oh they do

god i forgto how ugly the dragosn are too

[rocky gale]

It was either Gorymane or the Cardinal who were like essential to being halfway competitive, but GW increased their point cost because everyone was taking them

[rose thorn]

da,m

i havent gotten a chance to play them yet so i dont really know hwo to input

[rocky gale]

I think it basically just comes down to there are other armies that play similar on the table but their abilities and rules trigger easier with less planning and with less chance of things going wrong.

[rose thorn]

fair

[rocky gale]

Like Nighthaunt were crushing it

[rose thorn]

comp players must have been so so happy to see the easiest paitned army in the game was the best

and is very cheap lol

because easy to build hell

when night huant go to hell i might pick them up on ebay

[tough haven]

So I'm trying to create a lead to the noble/cold trader's hideout thats located in this noble's holdings after the players go to the place where the Weapon and armor are supposed to be dead-dropped, but Idk how, also what the hidden in plain sight hideout would look like, and how the party would get into there being bascially dregs, unless the acolyte player flashes their rosette

[storm jungle]

"Hiding in plain sight"s most classic usage is mostly some basic room having a hidden obvios compartment of some kind. They probably got no reason to barge in and it would be better for the acolyte to use their authority on the matter.

[opaque coyote]

Based batman

[tough haven]

What about options for A. if the acolyte doesnt use it, or B. the Acolyte cant use it due to using it too many times and losing their sway?

[opaque coyote]

Also "You are gonna NEED health insurance when batman is done with you" is such a fucking power move lmao

[storm jungle]

In that case yeah they need to break in lmao

considering how spacious most imperial household stuff gets they probably can mostly manage it to some extent

[tough haven]

What kind of building would it even be?

[storm jungle]

Depends, what did you have in mind lol

[tough haven]

I was kinda thinking a like luxury spa/xenotech warehouse, but Idk if such a thing would exist in the lower hive

and if not, idk how tf the party is gonna make it into the main hive city

[storm jungle]

It definitely would

especially if its hiding like important shit and they want it away from the attention of upper hive stuff

[storm jungle]

its a Hive

routes always exist

you kinda need to get creative is the thing

[tough haven]

Well yeah but in the like upper areas theyre usually choked off and guarded to regularly execute the mobs of the poor that try to gain access

[storm jungle]

again its a Hive

theres always ways around

ventilation, ducts, tunnels, ruined pathways exposing secret spots, etc

the limit is your brain

[tough haven]

Alright I have the destination, now I have to come up with how the party is led there, I was thinking after the party gets ambushed by hired guns at the dead drop location (its already been emptied), there will be some sort of note or something on one of the mercenaries saying where to meet to collect payment, and it would say to meet at said lounge/spa

also not really sure what I want the drop location to be, my original thought would be an abandoned hab block, but I cant really settle on why its abandoned or what it would look like, like would there still be people trying to live there, or would it be eerily empty

[storm jungle]

If theres any tech-wiz's on the group have them extract it from the guard's cranial implant or something

make it gross

[storm jungle]

Local enforcement purging patrols for "suspected" heretical cult activity, in reality it was probably just used for training regimen exercises for live target practice by them or something

think of evil shit

[tough haven]

I'm not sure what everyones characters are gonna be yet, I havent heard back from anyone, but for now, no

[tough haven]

Just like burned it down because uhh, the governor just likes to keep the poor on their toes

shit like that

[storm jungle]

Yeah that works too, i was just trying to think of something needlessly evil

[sacred ginkgo]

Found a strange looking bone in a corner or something that was a bit sticky

Obviously a shrine to nurgle

Instant torch and burn

[tough haven]

Now no one goes there, besides the most desperate, due to local legends that its haunted by those that were burned

maybe I could have some mutants squatting around there

but Idk if I want two fights in the same area

[tough haven]

hab block Theta-450 was once a bustling hub of activity, with a reputation for allowing abhumans and minor mutants to camp outside of the block. Eventually the block was burned to the ground after an enforcer purgation squad had found evidence of suspected chaos cult activity in the area.

thoughts?

I kinda wanna leave some evidence that people have recently been here, and that an ambush is possible, but idk how to do that without making it too obvious

[sacred ginkgo]

Debris cleared from the entryway and a lack of dust in places

[storm jungle]

Yep close enough

[sacred ginkgo]

Scuffs in the ash

[tough haven]

ty

[tough haven]

What would a good symbol be for the cold trader's alias "Scrimshaw"?

like as a stamp on the orders he sends people

[storm jungle]

That is kinda too dependant since it could basically be anything

anything hostile like a hook, blade, sharp object, or shape works

[tough haven]

Maybe like a skull and chisel?

I was thinking he could be called scrimshaw both due to the wraithbone objects that are the majority of their sales, and due to his tendency to carve and display the bones of those that cross him.

[storm jungle]

yeah that works pretty well

[remote widget]

What was the plot hook for 9th ed? Like eighth was cadia falling and guilliman and so many things, 9th has necron focus on the box sets but I dont see any big necron push in the lore, aside from an occasional mention of the necron depression weapon

[storm jungle]

it was the Necrons

then it just fizzled out as most edition launches and lore focuses do

like we are suppose to be dealing with the 4th Tyrannic War and minus the launch its been largely barely covered atm lol

[storm jungle]

Also its important to remember 8th was huge mostly due to the setting actually being shaken out of is dusty state for once due to a big overhaul for space marines, after that it was largely whatever and also fizzled out. Its more important to milk other stuff than just have people hooked to a single narrative.

[opaque coyote]

Y'know, at least in cyberpunk 2077, despite the fact that Trauma Team is worse in pricing
They at least get to you near instantly
and can save you from almost certain death
America healthcare is just the same as every other first world country

Slow as fuck

But at least in places like Britain, you don't need to cut off a limb just to pay for it

[tough haven]

what would be a good name for the luxury spa/lounge? I cant think of any lol

[rose thorn]

Found my favorite spell in AOS

You open a big black hole under a unit

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-fall-adventure-time-gif-23972282

[arctic talon]

Trauma team are the final boss of American health care

[opaque coyote]

also i think they're one of the few companies in cyberpunk that do

exactly as they advertise

[arctic talon]

Yep

[opaque coyote]

they will save your life
as long as you hand over the eddies

[arctic talon]

They save your life then you pay the bigger bill

[opaque coyote]

also i just realized that eddies are short term for euros

and i am ashamed that i just realized that

[opaque coyote]

like american healthcare and trauma team still kinda suck on the grand scheme of things

but one will save your life asap

the other one will make you wait 3 months for the life saving surgery

[tough haven]

Fee for service infrastructure go beep-beep-beeeeep

https://tenor.com/view/meninggal-mati-mampus-wafat-ekg-gif-10774173

[storm jungle]

English-to-latin on google is your best friend

[dusk patrol]

Relaxium

[storm jungle]

Requiematorium or something like that for some fancy high-gothic nonsense would work

[storm jungle]

Also its eurodollar

hence the "d" part of eddies

[opaque coyote]

yeah the fact that I just realized that is sad

also i kinda wish we had a scene where V was given like

a $1 US dollar

and they were like

"What the fuck is this?"

And Johnny has to explain it to them

similar to the rotary phone scene

[arctic talon]

The US did it to itself

It’s pretty well known how the US dollar imploded

In universe

[opaque coyote]

is it ever explained

actually im gonna do research on it

give me a sec

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s explained in both cyberpunk 2020

And cyberpunk red

Not in 2077

[opaque coyote]

"American Dollar ($): Also known as Dead Presidents, Prezzes, Leaves and Grass, the American dollar has changed little from that of the 20th century. It is a little harder to counterfeit, thanks to holograms, and is made out of a plastic that looks and feels like flanneled paper but is immune to most mundane methods of destruction (this cash you can wash, chombata). American dollars are less stable than before, prone to wild fluctuations due to inflation and the quirks of a credit-based economy. In such cases, the holder of a wad of dollar bills can be left holding a pile of junk... junk that's hard to burn even! Oh well, it's only money, right?"

[arctic talon]

Search up the crash of 94

For the economic crash that causes this

[opaque coyote]

yeah just looked it up

So the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DEA basically decided for the USA to become isolationist

similar to how it was during WW1

and also starved out the soviets and prevented aid

and so because of this, they accepted the Eurodollar as the main currency and NATO collapsed cause the Soviets made peace with the west

so the NSA tried to hack into the economy and slander it. Only for Europe to find out and

basically erase all USA credibility along with trust in the currency

god damn

[opaque coyote]

okay yeah they 100% did deserve this

[storm jungle]

As with many things

[tough haven]

Guess we doing 'The Adamas"

Cause its certainly in the rough

Aw dude, I wish I was playing in my campaign, cause If I was, I would kill the mercenaries, fake a pict of the party's dead bodies, disguise the party as the mercenaries, then head to the Adamas to recieve my "payment" and catch the cold trader unawares

that would be so fun

[opaque coyote]

I am being genuinely serious when asking this question

Can Daemons feel love?

Or can they just not. Are they even capable of human emotion beyond their God's domain?

[tough haven]

Hm

idk if thats really ever tackled

depends on what they are loving

I guess

[tough haven]

now I gotta figure out what obstacles/defenses this club will have, and how I want access to be gained to the secret xenotech den

[green loom]

They likely have their own twisted sense of love and joy etc.

[tough haven]

Besides enforcers I dont really know

hmm how should I structure the aeldari ranger fight so that its not impossible, but is a challenging and interesting roadblock?
I could just not reduce any of their difficulty and just not let them TPK the party
Like make them only a traumatic injury, since most aeldari dont wish to take lives when it isnt necessary
simply incapacitating the party would be sufficient for them

cause this is really rough to fight, and they're supposed to be a boss at the level we're playing at

Cause damn they can hit you with 16 mortal wounds killing a party member instantly, then vanishing into the shadows and being very difficult to counterattack

[rose thorn]

Sorry I was so confused

Like

‘What edition is this’

[tough haven]

Wrath and glory 2nd edition

Sorry if I made it seem like it was for tabletop

[nocturne crest]

Has there ever been anything like a storm lasgun before?

[tough haven]

As in like shoots very quickly and used for an assault role?

[nocturne crest]

No, like two lasguns connect together

[tough haven]

twin linked lasguns exist, yes

[queen laurel]

Yeah that makes sense they do need a weakness, so while they can be killed that way they are basically still durable monsters that will steam roll you if you're not careful

But honestly i don't know what type of unit would you give them

A range infantry unit in ironjawz sounds like it's borderline heresy

[charred jewel]

I’ve been wondering a lot:

why isn’t Peturabo considered a perfectionist primarch like Ferrus Manus and Fulgrim? When Fulgrim enters his mind. He literally has a perfect city there where everything is constructed just right, and it makes me think: what is the point of Peturabo always being able to see the eye of terror, thematically?

My big guess it’s because he’s a perfectionist. And yet always had this ugly ass hell-hole (literally) in the sky he just can’t blot out nor can ever fix, thus “perturbing” him. But, he isn’t a perfectionist that Ferrus/Fulgrim see him as, and he doesn’t seem actually perturbed by the eye of terror despite seeing it everywhere. I don’t get it

[celest dome]

Because he isn't a perfectionist

He is a brutalist

[dusk patrol]

I think most primarchs were perfectionists, some just took it farther

Perturabo just had huge issues and hampered his legions effectiveness with them

[charred jewel]

What do you figure was the thematic thing with him being able to see the eye of terror?

[shadow plover]

I've no idea if there were any thematic reasons for it but I'd bet there is some ancient greek mythology story about a character who can sense an impending doom or something in that sense and it's referring to it

again, I've no real idea though

[dusk patrol]

It plays into his paranoia I guess

[storm jungle]

It sounded cool on paper and they just gave it to him.

Primarchs are not that deep

[storm jungle]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Syll'Esske

[queen laurel]

Lewdtongue

well

[opaque coyote]

Weirdly wholesome despite the

everything

[queen laurel]

certainly a unique name

[opaque coyote]

even the name lmao

[opaque coyote]

i mean it fits

"Now, they are a symbiotic entity known as Syll'Esske, fighting with deadly synchronicity. The alliance which had made them outsiders before, now paved the way for their mutual ascension."

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[storm jungle]

Its from AOS so its not the biggest surprise that its better than 40k stuff lol

it just got transferred over because Daemon Person Miniature

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-cry-tears-king-crown-gif-5302586

fuck

[storm jungle]

They are still in 40k

Its more that they were lazily copy pasted over.

[opaque coyote]

awful

[storm jungle]

Yeah well welcome to chaos as a faction, its how most of their characters get treated

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Go read Kugath's 40k page compared to Warhammer Fantasy for example, etc

[opaque coyote]

the model does look sick tho

[queen laurel]

Skarbrand as well

[storm jungle]

Again AOS

[opaque coyote]

sadness

[queen laurel]

bro they took the goblins from fantasy and made them even better

[dusk patrol]

Most daemons have very similar backstories

Belakor is very similar too

[storm jungle]

Its not really about it beign similiar, its a lack of meat/fun stuff.

40k versions tend to be a lot shorter since they just dont really do much in copy pasting it over.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I just wanted to ask this mainly cause I'm planning of a Daemon and Human couple.

Basically, a Daemon and Human in one body

Possession

blahblahblah

[dusk patrol]

It’s literally the same backstories

Some daemons get more to do in different universes

[storm jungle]

It skips out on most of said backstory.

So no its not.

lol

[dusk patrol]

Belakor has much more of a presence in 40k for example

[storm jungle]

I mean

arguable

[opaque coyote]

Really starting to think that the Chaos Gods are just multiversal

[storm jungle]

I do like his 40k origin to some degree but WHF belakor is just cooler due ot again just having way more lore behind it.

[dusk patrol]

Not really, he doesn’t do a lot in fantasy or AoS comparatively

[storm jungle]

Yeah really.

[queen laurel]

he may aswell be a daemon of malice with how much i forget he exist in 40k

[opaque coyote]

and that the 40k, fantasy, and AoS Chaos Four are the same ones

[forest orbit]

Not wrong

[dusk patrol]

He’s basically the same character in both he’s just got more in 40k

[forest orbit]

[storm jungle]

Again. This isnt about "its the same character."

[dusk patrol]

It’s ok if you just haven’t read the stuff for him

[storm jungle]

Its a lack of lore/fun bits to their character.

[opaque coyote]

fluff

[forest orbit]

is eternal being a semantics again

[storm jungle]

When isnt he ever

[forest orbit]

[dusk patrol]

This has nothing to do with semantics lol

[forest orbit]

It does tbh

[dusk patrol]

But hey yeah we just do our little snide remarks again with no substance

[storm jungle]

Thats one way to look at it

[forest orbit]

they are talking about how 40k daemon special characters dont have a lot of lore compared to their WHF origins which is a pretty fair complaint

[storm jungle]

Yeah i guess he just doesnt really get it

again not the first time so

[dusk patrol]

And I said some do some don’t

Belakor being an example of one who gets a lot more to do in 40k

[forest orbit]

It happens

[storm jungle]

Arguable.

[celest dome]

Isn't it quite debatable to say that Be'lakor has done more in 40k than fantasy

[storm jungle]

He was basically not even relevant until like most of 9th

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

One is also a dead setting

so uh... he has some advantages

He definitely was known more for WHF than 40k though, especially with total war boosting that even more.

[dusk patrol]

It’s more he barely did anything in fantasy ever and he’s gotten a good amount of focus in 40k especially recently

[opaque coyote]

literally

[forest orbit]

Yeah was gonna say

[opaque coyote]

ba dum tss

[forest orbit]

nobody i knew talked abotu belakor as a 40k character

like ever lol

when he started popping up in Warzone books i had to explain to some folks who he even was

[dusk patrol]

People’s ignorance of his lore doesn’t matter if it’s there

[celest dome]

Like sure he did bigger thing in 40k
But that's because 40k is more expansive, conquering a planet in 40k isn't that much, conquering a whole region in fantasy is already something

[storm jungle]

Yeah this pretty much.

His fantasy presence has always been bigger

same with the shit he put into motion

it had more weight since WHF is also a more condensed setting

[forest orbit]

Yeh it makes the stuff he did have more things behind it

[storm jungle]

40k chaos characters who arent 40k exclusive otherwise have always barely had much lore behind them for the most part aside from some copy-pasted details

even then its mostly skipped over

[forest orbit]

Yeah id say it sucks but like

[dusk patrol]

Debatable, but regardless my point was some daemons get more to do in 40k and some get more to do in fantasy or now AoS, it’s varies

[forest orbit]

its chaos so not like there is that much to them to begin with

[storm jungle]

Its really just not.

Like, the codex pages speak for themselves

[forest orbit]

Arent the 40k matching pages for them always like super short lol

[storm jungle]

Mostly yeah

Or just entirely

Some of the most famous daemons in WHF with a lot of lore usually basically got nothing in 40k.

Minus again like uh

One or two plotbeats that makes the character who they are being copy pasted over, 80% of their actual lore is skipped.

[forest orbit]

Yeah not surprising since its just a carryover thing

[opaque coyote]

Also I totally imagine them having like

A ballet style of combat

Like they're dancing with each other while murdering and skinning people

Classical music playing loudly

with a daemonette orchestra

Imagine being skinned to smooth jazz

[dusk patrol]

Your personal ignorance of a lot of these guys 40k lore isn’t my problem.

[opaque coyote]

[celest dome]

Tbh the only one I would agree with there is Kabanda

[forest orbit]

We literally do not care.

[dusk patrol]

Then don’t respond

[storm jungle]

"personal ignorance" 😂

okay pal

[celest dome]

For any other Daemon, that's really not something I would agree upon

[queen laurel]

you started this

[forest orbit]

This rule applies to you most than you think it does to us

Guy literally cannot help himself

[dusk patrol]

If you don’t care then idk why you’re event having the conversation

[forest orbit]

now hes gonna go off on another high and mighty speech

I mean

we meant we dont care what you think

[low gazelle]

huh

[forest orbit]

if we dont care about the topic we wouldnt be continuing it

its not that deep pal

[low gazelle]

lore chat spicy today

[low gazelle]

update meeee

I want the teaaaaaaaaa

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-april-ludgate-sips-tea-tea-tea-time-gif-21816989

[queen laurel]

this is normal every once in awhile

[dusk patrol]

People like to make snide remarks and then get annoyed when I respond.

[storm jungle]

We said 40k daemon characters dont have enough lore compared to their WHF carry-over lore which is true.

Guy says its "debatable" then gets irked when people dont agree.

[low gazelle]

Thats craaaaaaaaazy

[forest orbit]

Thats one way to look at it 😹

[opaque coyote]

idk why is this happening bruh

[forest orbit]

he just likes to argue idk either

[opaque coyote]

i just asked if daemons can feel love

[forest orbit]

then its just our fault apparently

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-brick-throw-kiss-boys-gif-11348714524182573531

[storm jungle]

I mean its normal, just ignore him

[opaque coyote]

my live reaction:

[forest orbit]

Its hard but sure

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-shaker-thug-shaker-moth-shaker-moth-thug-hunter-gif-16306609709182812638

[storm jungle]

Literally.

[opaque coyote]

the brick avoids men for some reason

nobody knows why

[celest dome]

Death evade me once more

[opaque coyote]

the rainbow brick goes towards men at hyperspeed tho

[forest orbit]

the lesbian brick spares...

[storm jungle]

But basically yeah daemons can feel anything.

Its more that they are evil 99% of the time because we need cartoon villains

[opaque coyote]

yippee they have access to the full emotional spectrum

[storm jungle]

and uh Warp is Corrupted so they are All Evil

[forest orbit]

yeah daemons' purpose is to be just one dimensinal fodder

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the daemons, and generally daemon princes are the ones with more emotional depth

[forest orbit]

but you can usually make them have more complex emotions behind that

so basically more or less what dilara said rings true

[opaque coyote]

so that makes my slaaneshi oc plausible

[storm jungle]

Pretty much. Just be sure to make them still be stick to their vices lol

[dusk patrol]

Whatever you wanna do

Generally the more powerful a daemon the more complex they can be too

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-chihuahua-demon-exorcist-gif-20018298

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

[dusk patrol]

Khorne daemons also tend to be much simpler compared to the others but I don’t think that’s a huge shock

[opaque coyote]

yeah im thinking to represent the four

a khornate berserker CSM
a daemon and human couple for slaanesh
an ex-hospitaller sister for nurgle
and finally an Alpha Legion operative for Tzeentch

Who also isn't working for Tzeentch?

Or is?

To be honest I don't actually know either which is fitting

[storm jungle]

Ironically the "Or is" angle fits more than you think lol

[dusk patrol]

No sorcerer for Tzeentch, impressive restraint

[storm jungle]

theres literally a book where the Alpha Legion dudes get bamboozled into realising they were working for chaos the entire time

shocker I know

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. I'm having the Berserker be an Ex-Lamenters as well.

Basically

"Aren't you tired of being nice* (for a space marine)"

"Don't you just wanna go apeshit?"

[dusk patrol]

You’re losing points for doing the Lamenters wholesome chungus meme but I’ll take it

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbh the reason why the guy left is them getting mad about the chapter's self-sacrificial dumbassery at times

like the Lamenters chapter gets into shit even when they shouldn't

It's their main virtue but also their main flaw

[dusk patrol]

The fact they exist at all after Badab has always felt pretty contrived to me.

[opaque coyote]

They only exist to suffer further

[dusk patrol]

I don’t mind their idea but the suffering porn does get old.

The chapter symbol is murderous too.

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's just the guy realizing that the universe is just

fucked beyond repair

and deciding

"Fuck it. I'm killing people instead."

"I'm gonna have some fun!"

Basically it's just a reallllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

long temper tantrum

doesn't help that he actually remembers fragments what he was like as a child

and to an extent

what was stolen from him.

and how he didn't know what he was getting into when signing up for the procedure

[dusk patrol]

It’s a fun idea

[opaque coyote]

ye

idk what i'm gonna use em for yet but eh

maybe i'll draw them

and make a short story from their perspective.

basically his question for

"For those we cherish, we die in glory."

is simply

"But is there any glory?"

and he found that the answer is no.

[dusk patrol]

Well yeah he didn’t die

Smh

Skipped a step

[vagrant fox]

Reminds me a bit of Avitus from Dawn of War 2

[raven stone]

It has been said people who join Chaos are those who are semi aware war is the only thing the setting has left.

[storm jungle]

Avitus is like the most self-aware 40k character in existence too

[desert dust]

Was thinking if one traitor primarch came back as a loyalist and not a demon who would make the biggest impact in the setting.
My votes perturabo because he could literally just look at the golden throne and work out how to fix in a instant.
Magnus or logar would be second choice.

[storm jungle]

They are all daemons atm so

[dusk patrol]

Horus for the boring obvious answer

[shadow plover]

Have I missed critical information and has Alpharius/Omegon ascended too

[dusk patrol]

Omegon we don’t know

He’s the only one we don’t know his fate ultimately

The rest are dead or ascended

In the spirit of the question, they’d all have ways to make an impact in different ways if they somehow de corrupted and were loyal and we handwave the obvious issues which could arise with them rejoining as resolved or whatever.

Perturabo, Lorgar and Magnus are good shouts, Fulgrim is another.

Kinda depends on your imagination.

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

I honestly have a weird theory.

Y'know how Alpharius and Omegon were described as like. Two halves of a soul in two different bodies

I always thought that Alpharius actually did die. But his half of the soul went to Omegon

Who then pissed off

[dusk patrol]

It’s entirely possible

Although iirc Omegon says he feels his other half dying so idk

Also Alpharius is watching the duel with Horus and Sanguinius

But maybe after

Who knows

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but it could've been more like

"Yeah I feel my brother having his skull being fucking eviscerated by Dorn."

I think that it wasn't part of their plans. Because I'm going to be honest with you here.

[dusk patrol]

It does not seem that was the plan no

[opaque coyote]

A plan that requires you to get a fucking gigantic Chainsword shoved into your head is not a good one

[dusk patrol]

Based off all their reactions

[opaque coyote]

But I think it was more like

"Okay fuck it"

[opaque coyote]

Apparently during that time period. Omegon took on Alpharius's name

So it could've just been Omegon eating popcorn while watching Horus get fucking eviscerated from existence

[dusk patrol]

The book has Omegon’s pov as he senses it

[opaque coyote]

Then idk lmao

Alpha Legion bullshit (tm)

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t matter much but it does seem
The one who was Omegon survived, obviously going by Alpharius because no one knew he existed

But he had always went by Alpharius when he was being the primarch anyways

[opaque coyote]

And nobody fucking knows where Omegon is now

Or what he's even doing.

Hell not even the Alpha Legion don't

And a good chunk of them fucked off to do their own thing anyways

[dusk patrol]

Yup

Anyways

Sleep

[opaque coyote]

Gn

I should too

Before I go all I can say is.

What if Omegon doesn't actually have a grand plan. And is literally on some Paradise planet, living the life because he cannot give a single shit anymore.

[dusk patrol]

He’s with Eisenhorn and his dog.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think a lot of the remaining Primarchs literally went on death missions so it's actually plausible

[forest orbit]

They'll come back, dont worry about it

[queen laurel]

Money is the greatest type of necromancy

[forest orbit]

too true my man

anyway i just hope Russ' mini is good

[opaque coyote]

So you know how there is an Ordos that literally try to revive the Emperor in different ways

I am now thinking of an incredibly minor Ordos that literally

Throws money at the golden throne

Hoping that it revives the Emperor

[forest orbit]

[opaque coyote]

Why?

Cause the main currency is Thrones of course!

Grab all the thrones to the bestest one

[forest orbit]

[opaque coyote]

And maybe the Emperor would come back

...

By his sheer rage at humanity's stupidity

Literally the equivalent to