40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Sometimes even while they're being fought, smoke and mirrors

[dusk patrol]

It’s mentioned it’s very weird to control and learn to use

[green loom]

At the same time the threat of "the traitor" is ever present

[crystal forum]

ye ik abaddon was stated to be abnormally fluid in termie armour in the istvan book

[dusk patrol]

There’s a funny part in a Deathwing book where a marine finally starts walking with a set he’s practicing with and then he realizes he doesn’t know how to stop

[winter pine]

bro is going to just kool-aid man through any wall he runs into

[dusk patrol]

It moves very differently from normal power armor and is a big adjustment

[shadow plover]

the suit basically does it's damnest to make sure you don't fall over

[crystal forum]

i like how the problem isn't moving but it's stopping the movement

[queen laurel]

Yeah but with the way death guard work wouldn't they literally just fuse to it and the thing becoming their new body

[crystal forum]

become that Xmen guy

[sullen hull]

So if Atoma's convict strike teams would succeed, they'd be executed anyway... Damn

[shadow plover]

and if you tip forward you'll just start barreling forwards and it isn't very easy to stop that if you're not expecting it apparently

[crystal forum]

that's hilarious

[green loom]

I mean they are literal penal conscripts anyway, their lives are already forfeit

[crystal forum]

built in stabilizer

[queen laurel]

We are an inquisitorial strike team

Not the most best armed and well trained but

[sullen hull]

Literally cannon fodder

[queen laurel]

Gets the job done

[dusk patrol]

It does but it’s still a big adjustment

[queen laurel]

So having access to some rather forbidden knowledge isn't really out there

[green loom]

Everyone's Cannon fodder, just progressively more useful cannon fodder
By the time we're doing missions with actual gear we're part of the warband as semi-trusted goon squads, so we'd prolly survive

[queen laurel]

Like yes we are run of the mill penal conscripts that reached acolyte status

[crystal forum]

dude we literally pick up chaos books on the regular

you think our guys wouldn't even peek a little

[queen laurel]

One of our missions is literally curing a daemonic tree that constantly

Poisons the f****** environment

[sullen hull]

After the job is done these strike teams would be executed just for their knowledge of Chaos

[crystal forum]

nah we're inquisitor agents so we get a pass

[green loom]

We're the exception though, it's repeated by intercom folks that casualties for the rejects in general are horrific

[queen laurel]

Not really

The inquisitor were working for right now specializes in these kinds of stuff so we get a pass

[crystal forum]

otherwise the whole inquisitor retinue would be dead in a week

[sullen hull]

Ah, I see. Good to know

[crystal forum]

it's not like we're given any power too

i dont think we can run away even if we tried

[queen laurel]

Yeah like we are given some salvaged run of the mill gear

And then told to clear up or do this mission

But again casualties are incredibly horrific

[dusk patrol]

Also nurgle infection isn’t always the same

[queen laurel]

Yeah being the god of disease he has has a lot of things

For his disposal

Right now the infection on the planet hasn't gotten that bad

[crystal forum]

there's still a regular war going on between loyalist and chaos moebians right?

[queen laurel]

Hell we even developed a cure

In one of the missions

[queen laurel]

Yep strike teams have one job and that is performing surgical operations to either strengthen the loyalists or weaken the heretics

Like you know stealing supplies or assassinating warlords

[dusk patrol]

Some descriptions have it melting anyone who gets close other times it’s something you can just wear a gasmask and be ok

[crystal forum]

happy krieg noises

[green loom]

I'm killing you

[queen laurel]

I mean we did take out at least one of the bio weapon specialists in a mission

Rondin?

I'm pretty sure is dead

Causing his knowledge of bio weaponry to disappear

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s pretty explicit that this whole tactic of using a bunch of convicts is out of desperation and a lack of manpower otherwise

The whole strategy is very unorthodox

[queen laurel]

Also Jay jump off a cliff

[queen laurel]

I mean we are very lucky and tough convicts i mean

Because at level 30 we become acolytes

[dusk patrol]

Yeah we’re the cream which rose to the top

[crystal forum]

the top still being very very low on the ranks

[queen laurel]

Hey at least we can get actual taken care of weapons

[crystal forum]

me when the ship guardsman compliments me instead of calling me ugly

these guys stand around doing jack shit all day

[queen laurel]

I mean they are near Sefoni

So poor sods there

[crystal forum]

literally a single level 1 ogryn would kill all them

wtf are their lasguns supposed to do against a whole ship full of rejects

[queen laurel]

Let's be honest level one even the zealot would kill them

Veterans are experts in fighting because they have been doing that for so long

Psykers and ogryns don't need an explanation

[crystal forum]

considering how every origin has all the possible character choices having a lot of experience i can see that happening

vet is a vet lol

[queen laurel]

And zealots are so f****** crazy that they will practically kill you before you can kill them

[dusk patrol]

There’s nothing friendly about my fire!

[crystal forum]

zealots being pyromaniacs seem to be a common thing

[crystal forum]

totally sane individual

[queen laurel]

Yeah zealots out of every class might lack they're combat experience and fancy powers but they make up for it by being incredibly insane and faithful

Like the sheer amount of aggression they can output will probably allow them to power through the guards

[crystal forum]

some of the zealot origins have them actually guarding shrines i think

[dusk patrol]

The literally have the “Local man too angry to die” as a perk

[queen laurel]

Yeah like i'm pretty sure their faith can manifest in game as one of the abilities right

Yeah the artifact

[crystal forum]

the protect aura thing

i love that thing

always a saver when it's pulled out

[queen laurel]

I prefer the fury of the faithful one

It's always funny rushing the monstrosity and hitting it with a thunder hammer

[gray umbra]

judge is a hype beast when running fury

all of the zealot voices are great generally

[jade holly]

Lorewise we’re still at a standstill right?

[gray umbra]

kinda, its a little unclear

we killed 2(or 1?) of wolfer's lieutenants

[jade holly]

What do the Karnak Twins count as

[green loom]

Top lieutenants

Prolly not literal LTs

[gray umbra]

i guess in this hierarchy, wolfer basically is acting colonel

[jade holly]

Have us fight a stolen Lemann Russ

I want a big raid boss

Do the Karnak Twins count as a raid boss at all?

[green loom]

They have their own arena, health bars, and boss mechanics

So, yeah

[jade holly]

Is it possible to do a thought provoking story with Orks?

[gray umbra]

depends on what you mean by thought provoking

[queen laurel]

Yes

[jade holly]

Have Orks have depth to them besides loving war and krumping

[queen laurel]

If properly executed they can genuinely be scary

[queen laurel]

Yes that is a thing

You know the human farms

[jade holly]

I know they can be scary, but do personal stories about Orks happen?

[queen laurel]

Training humans to be pets

Torturing them for funzies

[gray umbra]

Theres plenty of stories of humans underestimating orks intelligence

[jade holly]

I mean from the Orks’s perspective

Idk how to word what I’m asking

[queen laurel]

Oh well

Practically no

They are practically so simple and assured of themselves that it's kind of hard to make them doubt their own existence

The closest you can get was Ghaz

[jade holly]

Like a story for Orks to the same depth and caliber as Titus in Space Marine

[gray umbra]

I hear good things about The Big Dakka

Its about an ork whos waagh gets involved in the commoragh gladiator pits

Its from the warboss's pov

[jade holly]

Wait are waaaghs physical things and not just war cries and them mispronouncing war?

[queen laurel]

Yes try your hand at reading

Mike Brooks ork books

[queen laurel]

It's the psychic field they generate

And the name of their crusades of going around smashing stuff

[gray umbra]

Its similar to skave vermintides

[jade holly]

And Warhammer 40k Darktides

I seriously really do want a Waaghtide game

That would be amazing

[queen laurel]

The WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHH!!! Is what allows orks to do their belief thing but remember it's very very limited and it only works on them

Like they can make a very poorly built gun work and applying red paint on a vehicle makes it faster but other than that

Basically nothing else

It's basically psychic duct tape

[queen laurel]

New class?

[gray umbra]

what dat stim injector do

[celest dome]

inject Stims

[outer wave]

Tummy...... ouuugh.....

[fallen marsh]

Nah. Its just small release with lore and NPCs

[arctic talon]

[outer wave]

I got no context on whats going on

I just saw the model and thought that'd be a lil funny to type out

[queen laurel]

@rose thorn you were talking about the red gobbo and orks having a christmas special right well

I guess gw beat you to the punch on that one

[gray umbra]

are they fieldable

[queen laurel]

In table top?

Probably will be

[gray umbra]

would be funny to see someone field a santa themed ork army

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest i preferred this fit then whatever the hell the old one wears

Yes he's been reduced to a christmas mascot but at least it's not this

[rose thorn]

That’s why I mentioned it lol

[rose thorn]

Necromunda continues to have the best 40k minis

I forgot how much of a bad bitch she is

[queen laurel]

Welp how long do you think gw will continue this trend of making christmas grots

You think next year they will stop finally?

[rose thorn]

Until it stop making money

[queen laurel]

True

[celest dome]

When do you think the next Bugman and White Dwarf will be ?

Imagine we got those as new cosmtics

[rose thorn]

3 months

[outer wave]

Oughh....B

[rose thorn]

If only esher is the most annoying warband to fight

[arctic talon]

Endure it

smh

Also imo Enforcers are way worse

early game lol

[rose thorn]

Fair

[arctic talon]

well early in a campaign

[rose thorn]

Ye

[arctic talon]

Like oh my god they all have bolters and flak armor

[rose thorn]

Nothing a melta bomb can’t solve

‘Today I will make a horde faction who is really fast and can potentially one shot any organic creature’

I can’t say much because venators my beloved but damn

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the Tyranids don't one shot people (at least the smaller ones)

They will however

Make you wish that they one shot you due to their sheer numbers

Because it's better to just get sliced in half and die

Then to get eaten by a bunch of tiny mfs

[celest dome]

Concussion Carbines can be quite good, if there are ledges nearby

[rose thorn]

I was referring to clan esher

House esher*

[storm jungle]

Escher*

[idle knoll]

clan eshin

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-eshin-warhammer-total-war-gif-26763401

[rose thorn]

Burn

I heard they got nerfed a while ago

So I neee to see if they are still hell to fight

I wish house orklock wasn’t ass without vehicles

[arctic talon]

Orlock is fine without vehicles

You get mesh armor standard

Orlock champs are quite good

Orlock also can make big money

also you're fucking fast if you're running prospects

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-25891439

Firebird solo

Question for the nerds out there.
Is it better to have a guardsman squad equipped with only bolters or with only plasma guns?

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop?

or like in lore

also what edition if its the tabletop because it isn't possible in some lol

[paper haven]

Lore more than anything. I'm looking at Only War and the question occurred to me

[arctic talon]

Lore wise plasma gun

It’s going to be a lot harder to get everyone equipped with one but plasma is safe assuming you aren’t operating it in an unsafe manner

In which that case yeah

It’s gona overheat

[paper haven]

Disregarding things like scarcity.
I think plasma gun too but a friend of mine is willing to die on bolter hill.

[sacred ginkgo]

Would you rather have a really heavy ass gun that munches .75 shells but can't even pen tank armor or something that adds windows to any surface you point it at

[paper haven]

That's what I said

His counter argument is reload time, but that's assuming anything will even be alive by that point

[sacred ginkgo]

Also plasma has a big ass magazine

Very space efficient ammo

[paper haven]

40 round magazine but a 5 turn reload

[sacred ginkgo]

DT plasma is 45 shots but a 9 second reload

[paper haven]

I think it's a fine trade off

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

Just don't miss idiot

What engagement will allow you to take 40 shots with a plasma

[paper haven]

I assume if you're fighting something that can survive that much, you have bigger problems than ammo efficiency.

[arctic talon]

Yeah honestly at that point

You might be better off overcharging and praying

[rose thorn]

Hey have you seen the brood brothers KT rules yet?

[arctic talon]

the new ones?

what about them

[rose thorn]

Are they as insane as they were last edition?

[arctic talon]

still an insanely good team

but rn elite teams are pretty strong

Brood Bros are strong

but they aren't literally top 1 undisbuted like they were last edition

lol

[rose thorn]

I’m just gushing about how pretty the sniper rifle in that kit is

And cursing they don’t have 40k rules

[arctic talon]

brood bro sniper is mandatory

mostly because you need a way to pop heavier stuff

or just murder something instantly

[rose thorn]

Lol fair

How’s uh

When blade

Wyrmblade

[arctic talon]

wyrmblade is fine

its like midtier

[rose thorn]

Ice

I hope wyrmblade gets an update to bring more stuff or a third GSC KT

Not mroe as in, more units

More as in more choices

I’d like to bring my terrorism girl boss

[arctic talon]

I'm just going to

drag out my tierlist

I am not a very competitive player for killteam

but I do like to keep up with pro play so uh

grain of salt and all that lol

[paper haven]

What is brood team?

[arctic talon]

Teams are in order inside of tiers

[arctic talon]

Brood brothers

[paper haven]

Ah. Genestealer

[arctic talon]

yeah

both the hivestorm teams are pretty mid imo

Vespids are really fucking hard

like to an unreasonable degree arguably

[paper haven]

Hard to play as or hard to fight against?

[rose thorn]

does uh, inquisitoral agents, still do taht thing where its half of a KT

[rose thorn]

also C means like, actuall mid or is it 'bad but nicer said'

[thick cedar]

I heard that during the great crusade, chaos was incredibly weakened and can only manifest whispers and wasnt until after the Horus Heresy that they became as powerful as they are now which is why the emperor didnt say anything about them. But would it have been possible if the emperor told them about chaos but a warped view that caused them to become benevolent beings like before the War in Heaven?

[rose thorn]

its fucking crazy that they just, stuck in the msot importnat GSC box with the KT, making it basically unbuyable for GSC players in the combo box lol

legit one of teh dumbest fucing things i think they ever did

who would win

like 8 regular ass guardsmen
or
A literal living demi god of a cult

[thick cedar]

Nah, I'd win

We'd win, actually

[rose thorn]

like, its so dumb, the patriarch is technically a NAMED CHARACTER

[arctic talon]

C means middle of the pack

[rose thorn]

okay nice

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re really customizable still

D means kind of bad

F is like

why tier

[rose thorn]

Ah okay

[arctic talon]

It’s why they’re so good

Versatility

[rose thorn]

Who can be requisitioned anyway?

[rose thorn]

Sisters of silence huh, neat

[arctic talon]

They’re good against melee heavy teams

Or against psykers

[rose thorn]

kinda suprised htey cant take scouts

[arctic talon]

Sisters of silence are just better scouts

Lol

Aside from wound count

Higher melee volume + better save

The bolter is slightly better for sisters of silence as well iirc

They’re trying to avoid redundant options

[rose thorn]

lmao

[rose thorn]

Oh how low the pathfinders have fallen

[rose thorn]

In an argument about admech using slavery

Does anyone have the quote

Omg how do I get her to listen that skitarri are in fact slaves

[storm jungle]

At that point if they are that stupid its not worth it

admech are literally one of the most fucking evil factions in 40k

its literally what makes them loved by the fandom/so funny

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah

I love my partner, but damn I don’t like her fleets lore, but it’s fine it’s only homebrew lore

[storm jungle]

theres a reason the only difference between Chaos Admech and Normal Admech is one uses daemons/has more spikes

otherwise ALL their practices are the same

[rose thorn]

Lmao

I’m in the process of rewriting my custom cult, it feels weird my cult is more evil then her admech

But what ever

[arctic talon]

One of the mechanicus’s use more slavery

And it’s not the one you’re expecting

[rose thorn]

The metal one?

Metallica

Metallicus?

[arctic talon]

No the joke is the Adeptus mechanicus

Generally uses more slavery then chaos or traitor mechanicus

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

OHH

Why would the hive mind allow my gsc to be space pirates is the question

Maybe they are going and seeking a hive fleet to dive into?

[arctic talon]

Probably so they can propagate the spread of a cult further

[rose thorn]

Yeah but how does being well, pirates spread the cult

Do they leave behind genestealers?

[arctic talon]

I’d assume so

Or they leave behind 4th gen hybrids

[rose thorn]

True

What’s the psychology tho ‘they follow the false emperor, they must suffer before they can experience the blessing of the 4 armed emperor’

Oh yeah let me google how irl pirates think

Welp time to watch documentaries about modern day pirates

Oh neat, I never considered that pirates are still religious or spiritual

Shit

[opaque coyote]

Y'know

[rose thorn]

This is kinda crazy tbh

[opaque coyote]

If the Imperium ever falls

[rose thorn]

Not like ‘insane’ but like

[opaque coyote]

I think it should be through a boring way

How do I say this

[rose thorn]

The imperium should split in 2 pretty please I beg

[opaque coyote]

Most talk about the Imperium ending similar to the End Times

But y'know what would be completely mundane but also completely reasonable?

Taxes.

[rose thorn]

‘Yeah big corporations come to our land and exploit us, so we make sure no one comes here and hurts our people and we pay for what we can’

[opaque coyote]

The Imperium just taxed all the planets a little bit too much

So they revolt

A chain reaction happens. Too much to control

[rose thorn]

Oil companies come and literlaly refuse to hire the locals

[opaque coyote]

So then it essentially becomes fucking balkanized

[rose thorn]

So the pirates raid their ships and force them to pay ransoms

[opaque coyote]

Due to taxes

Maybe each of the Primarchs when they return. Can also have a chunk of their own

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I remember a situation where a bunch of Somalian pirates tried to raid

A fucking US Navy Aircraft Carrier

[rose thorn]

Yeha apparently the Somalian pirates are mostly wiped out

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Also on one hand. I actually feel a bit bad for the pirates in that situation

On the other hand

...

Do stupid shit

[rose thorn]

Modern day pirates is just really sad tbh, the coasts of Africa are absolutely ravaged by corporations

[opaque coyote]

Win stupid prizes

(Death)

[rose thorn]

And they refuse to hire the locals

[opaque coyote]

Like I feel bad because they probably just wanted food

[rose thorn]

So the villages just get poorer and poorer

[opaque coyote]

On the other hand

If you see a fucking SUPER CARRIER

You either have to run

Or surrender

[rose thorn]

They probably thought it was a normal carrier tbh

Like

Cargo ship

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think they thought it was a cargo ship

But still

A part of me feels bad

[rose thorn]

This is the only way many many villages actually get money

The though ransoms and raids

[opaque coyote]

And a part of me is just thinking "does this count as natural selection?"

[rose thorn]

If you have never seen an elephant

[opaque coyote]

Oh

Apparently they actually didn't think it was a cargo ship

The USA attacked first

However

They were stupid enough to try BOARDING THE FUCKING THING

Instead of surrendering

[rose thorn]

Okay so

Pirates don’t get the rights in court

As people do

So literally they would have been killed either way

[opaque coyote]

True

Overall

Poor bastards

[rose thorn]

Literally the coasts are so over fished by foreign counties that there just isn’t enough food

It’s insane

And also crews will gun down local fishermen

Out of fear of them being pirates

[opaque coyote]

This is a weird turn for the conversation

But do Imperium pirates exist

Like the desperate kind

[rose thorn]

Yea

Of course

Chaos, non chaos, human, xenos

[low gazelle]

Random question, do you think that brain rot made it to the 42nd millenium

[opaque coyote]

Yeah cause I'm thinking like.

Maybe some planets send out pirates so that they can help pay the Tithe

[sacred ginkgo]

You destroy dozens of human pirates in rogue trader

[opaque coyote]

Like they have their local PDF raid some ships

[gray umbra]

Rogue traders are basically privateers as well

[low gazelle]

Brother on skibidi rizz this gyatt is vibing

[rose thorn]

Necromunda:

So yes

[opaque coyote]

Considering it's supposed to be the darkest period in humanity

[rose thorn]

Mainly the rich

[opaque coyote]

Yes

[low gazelle]

LMAO

[gray umbra]

The ai revolution happened when the tiktok brainrot afflicted 99 percent of humanity

[low gazelle]

The emperor is so sigmar

[gray umbra]

And decided they were no linger fit to rule

[low gazelle]

pfffffft

[opaque coyote]

"I FEEL SO SIGMA"

[gray umbra]

The emperor of mankind has been mewing since the dawn of time

[sacred ginkgo]

Man he fucking wishes

[rose thorn]

Okay so I think I have a psychology for my cult down

The imperium is fucking evil

Lmao

End of story

[gray umbra]

Chaos cult: yeah we're a workers rights union

[rose thorn]

[gray umbra]

Genestealer cult: hey join our organization, we set up soup kitchens to feed the homeless and poor

[opaque coyote]

Tbh unironically most Chaos cults kinda disguise themselves as that

[gray umbra]

Oh yeah

Which is hilarious

[opaque coyote]

Imagine joining like

A fraternity for the local college

And then when you go into the meeting

They're literally all fucking each other

[gray umbra]

If you give that burnt out manufactorum worker a work life balance, hes going to get lazy and worship nurgle

And then it actually happens

[opaque coyote]

To be fair. I think part of the reason why that actually happens might be because like

The average Imperium citizen probably has like zero fun

[gray umbra]

Theres like a realistic part of it where this would be a genuine reason someone might join a cult

[opaque coyote]

So they basically go overboard

[gray umbra]

The satire of it is that its just accepted its going to turn out to be a cult at some point

[opaque coyote]

Like I remember somebody who had like

The most controlling parents ever

[rose thorn]

Stuck between the imperium, gsc, and chaos cult is a difficult dilemma

[opaque coyote]

And as soon as they got into college

And got their own dorm

They immediately went out of control

Because they never really experienced freedom

And fun

[rose thorn]

A; long terrible life of basically slave labor

B; very short very free life until the last few minutes

C; either very short life or very long life where you are a slave to your own and others darkness desires

[opaque coyote]

I think that's kinda why Imperium people become fucking

So easily

Corruptable

At least the normal Hiver

Because they're oppressed 24/7

And then they're suddenly given weed

And told

"Go nuts"

Basically it's like

Living in a sensory deprivation chamber

Your entire life

And then suddenly being shoved into a fucking rock Concert

And offered Speed

You just get overwhelmed

[gray umbra]

yeah they're also super disinformed on whats out there

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so that's probably why only like

CSMs or whatever have complex reasons

While the average cultist is like

"I want two meals a day!"

"No. Three!"

[sacred ginkgo]

Reminds me of an interaction with a prisoner in RT

Hes talking about the warden going to chaos and how he knew right off the bat he was crazy is because he was offering 3 meals

[gray umbra]

that made me laugh when i read it

"he started being nice to me"

"he aint right"

[opaque coyote]

It's actually kinda fucking sad

But also really funny

[opaque coyote]

also what chaos god was he worshipping/corrupted by

[sacred ginkgo]

Think Tzeentch

Is the pervading cult in the area

[opaque coyote]

Let me guess

the meals had fucking idk

pink horror flesh or something

[sacred ginkgo]

No it was just food

[opaque coyote]

oh

lmao

[sacred ginkgo]

Guy wasn't cool enough for demons

[opaque coyote]

why did he give more food than usual

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that in warhammer that being kick on the head is like the bare minimum kindest treatment they can get

And that if you go any kinder they think you are insane

[opaque coyote]

like was it part of a convoluted plan

[sacred ginkgo]

He wanted loyalty from the inmates or smth

[opaque coyote]

ah

that actually makes sense

...but also it doesn't because why the fuck would they have loyalty to him

[sacred ginkgo]

I can barely remember, it is a super early part of the story that takes like 30 mins tops

[opaque coyote]

bro was a dumbass

[sacred ginkgo]

It worked

[queen laurel]

Yeah basically that's what he wanted

[opaque coyote]

how tf did that work

personally i'd just shoot him lo

[sacred ginkgo]

I did shoot him

several times

[opaque coyote]

nice

[sacred ginkgo]

Killed him more than once as well

[opaque coyote]

seriously that must be a blessing from tzeentch

there is no way that plan would work otherwise

[queen laurel]

Literally the specialty of chaos is taking in those that are being broken by the imperium

Why do you think they have so many

Because the imperium is shit and some people would rather escape to chaos than suffer that shit

[sacred ginkgo]

These were also prisoners sent to a barren rock to do hard labor

Hard labor by imperium standards

[opaque coyote]

ah

okay makes sense now

[queen laurel]

Yeah imagine being sent to a giant asteroid for you to just mine there

For the rest of your life

[rose thorn]

So, what horrible thing should the imperium do to make my local population become genestealers cult space pirates

Maybe the planet was exterminated? So what survivors was left they had to escape via ships

Saw the horror of an entire worlds population being blown out like a candle

Maybe a false belief of a disease? Like some imperium official believe the planet was infected with a disease that did not exist? Or maybe the area was already populated with pirates and the imperium falsely identified the planet as the hub of the piracy

So they

And put a kill order on any ships that escaped

[opaque coyote]

Simple

The planet couldn't pay the Tithe

So the Imperium forced them to either pay or die

Unfortunately the planet just didn't have the resources. So the Imperium did a massacre to teach them a "lesson"

and then left

[queen laurel]

How about that the planetary governor is so **** at his job that they decided to just go for another world because this one would literally fall without their help

[opaque coyote]

The survivors found faith in an angel of the Emperor to save them.

...

The angel of the emperor just happened to have four arms

totally not a coincidence

[opaque coyote]

also to make it funnier

[rose thorn]

Very imperium lmao

[opaque coyote]

have it so that the resources the Imperium took to massacre the planet

was more than the tithe itself

[rose thorn]

Like 15 guys had so much wealth they could pay the imperial tithe single handedly, but they didn’t want to and fucking dipped. When the imperium came along they just pillaged the population until the tithe was paid.

[opaque coyote]

actually that sounds funny also

[opaque coyote]

again add this detail too

[rose thorn]

Ye

[opaque coyote]

the resources they used to pillage the population was more than the tithe

so it was a net-negative

[rose thorn]

They finally learned the galaxy was a dog eat dog world, they stole everything and expect more from them

But they know better now

The cult basically became so big

Because there was no resources left and no government left

They left the planet in troves

[opaque coyote]

You should have the tale be told in a biased viewpoint

cause genestealer

uhh lemme think

[rose thorn]

Wishing to teach the galaxy the cruel lesson they have learned

[opaque coyote]

"The planet was desolated by those above. We almost lost faith thinking that the Emperor has abandoned us"

"But lo and behold! An angel descended from the heavens!"

"With four wings, THEY helped us abandon our barren home planet"

[rose thorn]

Trying to play into the irl pirate inspiration

Of course it’s still there

But also the religious aspect is mainly caused by those infected by the gsc virus

[opaque coyote]

"THEY told us of angels in the sky. Swarms of them. The Emperor was mad at the Imperium for falling so low, so they devasted those planets."

"And so, we shall do the same."

"For the Emperor"

[rose thorn]

“If we have learned anything from the corpse god, it’s the gorged will eat the starving before each other. But I would like to teach the gluttonous Imperium a lesson, it’s true the other way around.“

[opaque coyote]

Ah

Heretic Genestealers!

My favorite

[rose thorn]

The Starving Maw is a genestealer cult originating from the single planet system Esuri. Once a prominent naval outpost to combat the mass pirate activity of the sector, it and many more outposts were abandoned after successfully wiping out the pirate threat. This had caused the local economy to spiral so badly the planetary governor’s family owned over 98% of Esuri’s wealth. Eventually this wealthy family have decided to cash out and leave the planet shortly before the tithe was due. Once tithe collectors have reached the planet the entire government was completely missing and its wealth so the collectors instead pillaged the population for months until enough money, valuables, and people were stolen to pay for the Imperial Tithe and countless late fees for delaying the process this long. The planet was a lawless wasteland where gangs tried to rise to power to control the planet and what little wealth remained until a single group had risen to power. This group had promised their new god not pnli from the imperium’s eventual return but revenge for their crimes. Just over a year later upon the return of the Imperial tithe collectors, they were seemingly given all of their demands without resistance. But upon opening their cargo to assure the tithe is properly accounted for, the citizens had hidden them selves among the goods and opened fire. The ship’s crew was wiped out so quickly and efficiently that they couldn’t even signal for help or the fact there was even an attack in the first place. The ship, and any other vessels that were left behind on their home world they could repair, left the planet to exact a revenge against those who took everything from them and to finally slate their hunger.

[opaque coyote]

So I just learned that

the Nagash/Tomb Kings in Warhammer fantasy

There was a book where a tomb queen literally stated to somebody

that if she still had functional genitals and flesh, she would fuck them so hard that they would die

...

and now i'm tempted to have a similar event but for necrons

because that sounds fucking funny

[hallow plover]

Necrussy?

[opaque coyote]

yes pag

necrussy

jokes aside

I have thought of like a rogue human and necron faction

basically it's better(?) than the Imperium because unlike the Necrontyr back then

They're not THAT busy constantly fighting

emphasis on that

basically it's just a dynasty ruler ruling over humans

why?

because it makes them feel nostaglic

they've lost hope for regaining their soul

so it's the closest thing they have to feeling like they're flesh again

ruling mortal subjects

bonus points that a good chunk of their army doesn't need things like food

kinda imagining them being

Less horrible than the Imperium

but still kinda bad because

40k

basically Tau level, except without the needed permission for fucking

[winter pine]

I forget if it was Infinite and the Divine with Trazyn talking with the human he used as an agent and was kind of dumbfounded how poorly he was treated

[opaque coyote]

Literally just

"Bitch you live like this?"

[winter pine]

I love Trazyn, dude just wants to run his museum

[rose thorn]

Need a better gsc name but what ever

[queen laurel]

oh man been their huh

like what do I name this thing

[rose thorn]

Space pirate genestealers

Hm

[rose thorn]

A place I have been to a many times

[rose thorn]

Also cult lore

[queen laurel]

the Four Tusked Voidworm?

hmm

too long i think

[rose thorn]

Yeah

They are like, modern pirates

[queen laurel]

the Kraken Fellowship?

[rose thorn]

Nah

That’s too fantasy

[queen laurel]

yeah GSC Names for i am Stumped

[rose thorn]

Right now I have the starving maw

[queen laurel]

the Hungering Stars?

[rose thorn]

Ooo that’s not a bad one

[queen laurel]

Cult of the Hungering Stars

ok

[rose thorn]

If you want to read the lore it’s just up a bit, it’s a first draft

[queen laurel]

that's something that's something

[rose thorn]

The thirsting fangs?

Tahts too vampire

[queen laurel]

yeah no

too Vampire ish

[hallow plover]

The Armed

[queen laurel]

Cult of the Ravenous Kraken?

[hallow plover]

Because they have weapons and extra arms

[rose thorn]

Probably should go into the religious aspect more

I’ll keep that mind for second draft

[queen laurel]

cult of the Voideater Emperor

that's all i have i really can't think of the top of my head

[hallow plover]

Whats their MO as pirates?

[rose thorn]

Cult of the Voideater is pretty good

[queen laurel]

yeah that works

remove the emperor and it's a pretty good name

[rose thorn]

Sneaking onto planets before rapid and heavy assaults

Let me paste my stuff into docs and make second draft

Cult of the void eater or sons of the void eater?

Probably cult

[hallow plover]

heralds of the voideater?

[rose thorn]

Not bad but a bit too regal

[timid ridge]

Can someone explain drukhari to me? they still fear slaanesh, but they pretty much do everything that slaanesh represents, but in order to defend their souls ???

[rose thorn]

They basically satisfy Slaanesh enough to slow them down and the suffering extends their own life. So it’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario

[hallow plover]

yes, pain "eases" the hold slaanesh has on their souls

[timid ridge]

Wouldnt they just be making slaanesh stronger? My understanding is most chaos gods form a stronger bond when you please them. You start killing people more, drinking blood, and being angry? Khorne is after you. You stop taking showers and your allergy meds while you lay in bed all day? Nurgle makes you stinkier.

But if you do what slaanesh wants, they just leave you alone?

[hallow plover]

They need it to survive too, a drukhari left with food and water but no source to generate pain and they will wither

[rose thorn]

it’s like feeding a starving lion they kept feeding the lion to survive and giving it more energy. But if you don’t feed the lion you are gonna die. Additionally the drukhari were basically the most fucked up eldar already

So it wasn’t a hard transition

[hallow plover]

(almsot) all eldar souls are claimed by slaanesh; When she was birthed due to the eldar of old, it consumed the souls of the majority of living eldar at the moment

[timid ridge]

But it isnt like that for the other gods right? That makes it seem like slaanesh is easily the best chaos god to pledge to. "Have crazy fun and pleasure your entire life, just when youre done i get you" vs "the moment you start youre mine"

[queen laurel]

because Slannesh was made by the Eldar

[hallow plover]

there was a ritual and all

the novel Farseer explains the thing

and it's a good book

not too long

[rose thorn]

Second draft done!!

[small grail]

saint celestine only fans is on sale today

invest brothers

[arctic talon]

Farseer is unfortunatey not canon anymore

There's similar stuff in the Jain zaar book though

[rocky gale]

The Red Gobo prayer matt, Alhamdulillah

[queen laurel]

Well that is certainly something i didn't expect to see but you know what

It looks fire

[lapis verge]

Do remember Slaanesh is not only the god of carnal pleasures and pain

Slaanesh is the God of Excess

As such, pleasure and pain is what people mostly glean in regards to pleasing Slaanesh, but another form of excess is all kinds of obsession

Like trying to strive for perfection in all things also fuels Slaanesh

Ironically one could say a zealot's obsession kinda fuels Slaanesh, even if said zeal is in the name of the Emperor

Eldar souls are a delicacy for Slaanesh for being prideful, perfectionist and hedonistic (for Drukhari) is innately very Aeldari traits

Which also happen to be all that Slaanesh has dominion over

tl:dr and eli5:

being too proud fuels Slaanesh

[celest dome]

Lorewise Slaanesh love Eldars because they experience things much more strongly than Human or other Species do iirc

[odd crown]

Why are plague ogryns so big? Like bigger than regular ogryns

Correct me if im wrong but aren’t they just regular ogryns pumped full of plagues and shite?

[queen laurel]

no they are also Mutated

each one of them are basically walking sacks of maggots and disease

mutated by the power of Nurgle

[odd crown]

Makes sense

[thick cedar]

WHat did the emperor think about mutants

[odd crown]

Another thought just crossed my mind

I could swear I’ve heard ragers say “Valhalla” or something rather or other
Is that just a reused line from vermintide or is it something else?

[shell mason]

the fact that this is officially license make it even better

[storm jungle]

He didnt care about them, they were beneath his notice.

more or less like any tyrant essentially

[storm jungle]

Its them speaking in the Dark Tongue, i agree it sounds pretty similiar to "valhalla" but its just suppose to be psychotic gibberish

every lines the characters/enemies say in this game is custom, theres no "re-used" assets of any capacity.

[shell mason]

fun fact if you listen closely you can hear the groaners say kill me

[rose thorn]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

“Uhh man what happened last night”

looks at shit load of warhammer homebrew and my barely touched shool papers

[idle knoll]

theres no vallhalla in vermintide anyway

[celest dome]

Valaya

Dwarven Goddess

[idle knoll]

norselanders dont consider dwarven ancestor gods as gods I dont think

[misty vector]

So do aeldari have a different way to keep slaanesh from consuming their soul?

[shadow plover]

Soul stones

[misty vector]

Thats for when they die though right?

[shadow plover]

well yeah

[misty vector]

So they dont have to torture or anything while theyre alive like the drukhari?

[shadow plover]

correct

[rose thorn]

Drukhari; torture

Ynnari: death god

Craft worlds: abstinence and distance

Harlequins: he he he haw

Specifically harlequins forgo their identities to get protection from their clown god

Oh and corsiars don’t give a shit

[shadow plover]

corsairs can be from any of these right

not sure about Harlequins though

like a group of corsairs can have drukhari eldar and craft world eldar

[rose thorn]

Their souls are specifically saved from slaanesh’s reach and are revived by him, it’s so weird lol

Become a band kid and damn your soul

[shadow plover]

I meant as in being part of Corsairs

[rose thorn]

Oh sorry

[shadow plover]

don't know if any Harlequins have become corsairs

[celest dome]

Infinity Circuit for most

[rose thorn]

I think they work together but I harlequins aren’t allowed to be corsairs I think?

[misty vector]

I gotta read an eldar novel sometime

[rose thorn]

You can have a harlequin with you but like they aren’t really a Corsair

[rose thorn]

Gl finding a good one

[misty vector]

Ahh shame

[rose thorn]

It’s like mostly 1 guy

Who isn’t great at writing xenos books

[rose thorn]

Here is Reddit’s 2 cents

[misty vector]

So what are the ynnari?

[shadow plover]

forgotten eldar concept

[rose thorn]

Gw giving eldar the xenos treatment for the 15th time, give them something really cool and then immediately throw it away. They basically revived / created their god of death and are like, zombies I guess?

But not really

[misty vector]

Weiiird

[rose thorn]

They are cool but got zero support

I’m surprised they didn’t even get a KT

[rocky gale]

Ynnari seek to revive Ynnead the Eldar god of Death, others have tried before but it was believed that it would be neccesary to sacrafice the entire Eldar populaiton to do it so the plans failed, but the Ynnari believe there is another way to resurrect Ynnead without doing that

[rose thorn]

Honestly an eldar KT that buffs each other when they die is a neat concept

like the questor warcry warband or the dark oath warcry warband

[rocky gale]

On Tabletop Ynnari are basically just a Eldar soup faction, they can take Craftworlders, drukhari and harlequins

[rose thorn]

“Wow! Half the rules, twice as many bad models, and no support only for the cost of two books!”

Soup is a very very loose term for it lmao

It’s more like uh

Running 2 armies that don’t interact at all

[shadow plover]

that's how most soup armies have been in the past too

like you give up the cool faction specific rules to be able to run another faction with yours

[rose thorn]

rip brood brothers, locked behind a terrible detachment

[shadow plover]

even that is a lot better than what we had in 8th where all that mattered was the common main faction keyword but then you'd give up the special rules for anything you'd field

[rose thorn]

Yea I remember

Remember when you could run multiple sub factions in the same army?

Like bloodied rose and the shooty sisters sect

[shadow plover]

it was with the same system, just have the Imperium keyword and all good

[rose thorn]

Ah

[shadow plover]

you'd get the basic faction rules but no access to stratagems and like that

iirc

it's been a while

wait no, the sub faction thing might've been slightly different

it was brief

[rose thorn]

I think so

You basically ran 2 of the same army

So you didn’t lose your special rules

Tbh only like, 3 factions actually got value of it

[shadow plover]

think that worked for like a half a year until it was abused in tournaments and they changed it not to include any faction rules

[rose thorn]

Yeah

I think it was sisters, guard, and nids that really liked it. I think space marines couldn’t use it for some reason

[shadow plover]

you'd have detachment if Iron Hand dreads with something like shooty Fists or Ultras which just ruined the opposing faction

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

Oh yeha it was the non codex complaint marines m that couldn’t use it

[shadow plover]

think so, couldn't have Wolves and Blood Angels iirc

[rose thorn]

Ye

[tough haven]

If seer psyker was a dnd character what class would he be? The obvious answer is warlock but idk

[gray umbra]

Great old ones pact warlock

[tough haven]

Warlocks don’t get to cast too many spells though

Not sure what kinds of spells he’d even use

[celest dome]

Psyker mechanically work best as Wild Magic Sorcerer

But Warlock Pact of Fey if we want to compare to the others

[shell barn]

So I learned that apparently Slaneesh wanted the Kahn as their primarch to corrupt so that begs the question

Who did the other three gods want

[tough haven]

Yeah mechanics wise for sure, but then I can’t do the beloved bit

[celest dome]

Khorne wanted Sanguinus

[shell barn]

Oooooh that makes sense

Khorne black rage would be insane

[celest dome]

Apparently Nurgle wanted the Iron Warrior

[tough haven]

Like as in the archfey?

[celest dome]

Ye

[idle knoll]

why dont ogres in 40k eat people in battle like they did in the original wharhammer, when everybody is just going to end up eating corpsestarch anyway?

[storm jungle]

They are not the same faction.

Ogryn are just mutated subspecies of humans who are big and strong. Ogres in WHF are a completely different race entirely.

[idle knoll]

ik

[storm jungle]

[idle knoll]

but if they are all going to eat people anyways along with the humans why dont they do it in battle too

[storm jungle]

....They dont eat people though

they are not the same thing

[idle knoll]

isnt corpsestarch people

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you are assuming its a widely used food source

its not lol

Most imperials just eat other lame stuff like rations or gruel-slop

[rocky gale]

Also like you eat burgers, but how regularly do you walk into a field and bite a cow?

[storm jungle]

^

This.

Corpsestarch is regulated to usually planets where they literally cannot keep up food production.

[idle knoll]

because im not an ogre

an ogre would

[celest dome]

An Ogryn isn't an Ogre either

[rocky gale]

Cool, an ogryn wouldn't

[storm jungle]

^

Again

not the same race

Ogryns are literally just big muscle-mutated humans

[leaden pilot]

ogryns don't believe in the great maw, but in the emperor, so no need for them to eat things and especially corpses raw

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the Great Maw is also not a thing in 40k

[celest dome]

Well, unless we subscribe to the Great Maw being a Tyranid thingy

Which I don't

[storm jungle]

no

[celest dome]

Great Maw to me is the Power Spot for the Wind of Beast

Like how the Fire Maw seem to be one for Aqshy, and the Galleon's Graveyard is one for the Death one

[misty vector]

Besides, eating is a holy act to the ogres and cannibalism is very common

[storm jungle]

Very much like british people IRL

[misty vector]

Ogre mercenaries are likely to eat any human employer over a pay dispute, but ogryns are loyal and nice boys

[storm jungle]

mostly loyal and nice anyway lol

[misty vector]

Loyal to the wrong people sadly

[rocky gale]

They've got lovely singing voices though

[misty vector]

Excited to get the big maneater himself though soon in total warhammer

[outer wave]

Apparently young ogryn kids have the size similar to a human adult, so ogryns can be protective of them on a basal level. Also corpse starch doesnt look like people lmao

[shell mason]

Remember

The silent king is emperor level

[dusk patrol]

Corpse starch also isn’t a common practice for most worlds.

[shell mason]

oh?

[crystal forum]

being given a bar of corpse starch that's coincidentally shaped like an adult male

[outer wave]

Oh god

[idle knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-redes-sociales-fake-news-bulo-bulos-gif-19813926

[paper haven]

Soilent green but everyone is too desensitized to give a damn

[hallow saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/WPEIyRy.png

barry age 23

[crystal forum]

special edition kill team set is still not out of stock online

if that doesn't say a lot about the price

[odd crown]

It has been a really long time since I’ve played vermintide I’ll admit
But aren’t ragers, maulers and crushers reskins from the northlanders?

[shadow plover]

the price actually isn't half bad for two Heroes sets

If I already didn't have the DG set I would probably get the starter set just for them

[rocky gale]

They mean Hivestorm

[storm jungle]

Not really? Aside from "they use two handed/double weapons".

Its mostly following a formula for elite melee enemies

[young pecan]

Would most chaos corrupted ogryns be corrupted because their comrades were, or told them to be? Or do ogryns usually have a more selfish reason for turning traitor like most anyone else?

[storm jungle]

It depends.

They can be tricked just as much as be preyed on their impulses by chaos like it does to regular humans.

Like the moebian ogryns in game very much are self-aware AND call us loyalists as they attack/taunt us, so they for example are all in on it.

[rose thorn]

how would my space pirate genestealer cult spread

[dusk patrol]

Their naivety tends to make them easier targets for it, but as said, and they fall can vary a lot

[dusk patrol]

Same way other cults do

[rose thorn]

4 armed emperor spread through mining laborers, hive cult spread through the military, twisted helix is medicine lacing, pauper princes hide among salt shipments, the list goes on

welp time to watch guides on being a space pirate

[dusk patrol]

The point is they use subterfuge and whatever they can to spread their cult, often using their official activities as a cover.

[rose thorn]

true, pirates do use false flag s

[dusk patrol]

So just do space pirates who do the same, traveling around to seed the cult

The pirate angle being a cover

I like the idea a lot though

[rose thorn]

i think the part of my cult i dont like right now is the barely touched upon religious aspect

[rose thorn]

genestealer cult using the mask of being pirates using the mask of civilian ships lmao

i guess you would hide a genestealer with a stolen shipment of goods lmao

welp third draft time

[rose thorn]

i think im sutck on the cult part

?

yeha?

e copies of books are easy to get

aduio versions are alot hearder

well not alot but

it might not be as avaliable

this server isnt owned by GW its owned by fat shark

yeah

anyway what book do you need?

i can check my usual suspects

can you give me a starting point?

are you a resident of ohio?

the library of ohio has it in lend

they give you access to the ebook for like a week

and then take it away

its wierd

im tyring to find the pdf

but also th ebook isnt great so tehre isnt as many pdfs it seems

[rocky gale]

It still technically against the rules to ask or talk about or link to such websites

[rose thorn]

Oh whoops

[rocky gale]

Yea rule 8, I know lore chat is lax but best to be careful

[rose thorn]

I forgot we talked about it here multiple times I didn’t even realize

Crying in the club

[charred jewel]

DELETE EVERYTHING

[rose thorn]

BURN IT ALL

[charred jewel]

PURGE THE HERETIC

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[paper haven]

You dun goofed

[green loom]

I can't wait for the Rogue Trader Chaos DLC

[paper haven]

Chaos DLC?

[green loom]

I figure it'll be made eventually yeah

Heretic is just super barebones so I'm hoping they make a DLC that expands ur options a bit

[paper haven]

Ah. You had my hopes up for a minute there

[arctic talon]

Spoiler companion can't even change his fucking gear lol

[green loom]

I did stumble onto an interview where the creative lead really wants to write a corruption story for argenta

[paper haven]

Neat

[rose thorn]

Hey chat any updates on siding with GSC in the new dlc?

[arctic talon]

You ||can exile them||, they want to kill you

[rose thorn]

Damn…

[arctic talon]

The options are to ||kill them all, use them as slave labor and sacrifice them to the chaos gods, or exile them||

[arctic talon]

I mean if you want to side with the GSC just kill yourself and all your companions and the NPCs you can kill

[rose thorn]

Ah

[arctic talon]

But ||yeah exile is the best they’re getting, but the cult lives on that way||

[rose thorn]

Is there at least yummy yummy xenos artifacts?

[arctic talon]

Yes

You can use gsc weapons

Like the bio knife and stuff the Sanctus has

[paper haven]

In Rogue Trader?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Genestealer cult?

[rose thorn]

That is not a xenos artifact that is a pipe bomb

[rose thorn]

Awesome

[rose thorn]

New dlc

[arctic talon]

You do get pipe bombs

[paper haven]

Bombs made from pipes

[arctic talon]

But you also get the fancier stuff

[rose thorn]

Do you get the funny insanity blood transfusion gun?

Sanctus rifle

[arctic talon]

Sanctus sniper rifle yes

Blood transfusion gun I’m not sure

[rose thorn]

Yeah the Sanctus rifle is the funny blood transfusion gun

[arctic talon]

Oh then yes

I thought it was just a fucked up sniper

[rose thorn]

The bullets are filled with blood of the patriarch

[arctic talon]

I’d assume you aren’t loading those bullets while using it

Lul

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

It doenst cause uh

Insanity?

[arctic talon]

It causes poison

Like a lot of it

[rose thorn]

Sounds right

[arctic talon]

Oh also

They gave neophyte hybrids bolters

Lol

Shit hurts

[rose thorn]

THE DREAM

Is there any new guys who aren’t on table top? Spoilers if its a boss or something

[arctic talon]

Aside from different loadouts and gear combinations no

But there’s a ||kellermorph|| with a shotgun

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-arnold-im-back-gif-23975209

[arctic talon]

Also you do get to practice some level of diplomacy throughout the GSC stuff

It’s just at the very end

[rose thorn]

Damn

Sounds awesome

What’s like

The rewards for each ending btw?

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

Some resource stuff, profit factor gain/loss, alignment points

A bulk of the stuff comes from the like

Missions leading to the ending of the dlc

Oh also you get to fight a ||shard of|| the ||emperor|| but it’s not related to the gsc stuff

[crystal forum]

do we get anything by doing the wacky iron man mode competition

playing rogue trader on iron man mode sounds like actual torture

[arctic talon]

Achievement and a sense of pride and accomplishment

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gnam-gnam-nom-nom-eat-munch-chew-gif-12554869

[arctic talon]

Abelard fight ||the god emperor of man kinds shattered psyche||

[hallow plover]

have they added more space battles with the dlc?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Some are related to the dlc

[rose thorn]

Is that a meme?

[hallow plover]

farming the torpedoes was a pain

[arctic talon]

No

[hallow plover]

I always give up because its a drag and go on with my run

[arctic talon]

You get to fight a shard of ||the emperor||

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah has ship battles improved? I wanna continue the game but I don’t wanna get stuck on something trash lol

[arctic talon]

Ngl

Just lower ship battle difficulty

It’s just ass lol

[rose thorn]

Oh ok

[arctic talon]

I’m sure someone likes it but

It’s SOOOO BORING

But space combat has barely improved

It’s better balanced but like

It doesn’t change how it’s just unfun imo

[crystal forum]

ship combat is literally impossible on harder difficulties without following a very strict progression of battles

you cant upgrade your ship so you can only fight battles that are even possible to win

this game has its issues

difficulty progression being a big one

[arctic talon]

Owlcat moment

Lol

[tough haven]

And I’m doing it on grimdark unfair so we’ll see how it goes 🙂

Hope I don’t get instantly killed for choosing the wrong fight

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-who-hurt-you-gif-15501723

Why would you do that to yourself

[shell mason]

.....

[tough haven]

Bored

[tough haven]

Bro who is that guy

[opaque coyote]

The God Emperor from the Dune books

Basically he became a gigantic fucking sandwirm

And similar to the Emperor of Mankind.

Had an overly convoluted and overly cruel plan to somehow ensure the survival of humanity also.

But unlike 40k, it actually worked

[tough haven]

I see

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also both had the ability to see into the future

But the Dune Emperor intentionally avoided looking into his death because he wanted it to be a surprise

He didn't want to avoid it

The 40k Emps might've just been a dumbass

[opaque coyote]

Basically

40k looked at dune

And stole so much of it's homework