40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

i was thinking the same thing

[opaque coyote]

Imagine an Eviscerator

Set on fire

Actually that would probably melt the machinery nvm

[crystal forum]

the only one i can think of is the flamethrower chainsword from the agents box

[opaque coyote]

I think it should be a thing for psykers

Don't Psykers have fire powers anyways

Two handed force sword

With blue Psyker fire

[crystal forum]

but i dont see it being added

[opaque coyote]

Okay that is so fucking cool

[crystal forum]

still a lot of nutty ministorum weapons that im surprised havent been added

[gray umbra]

Dont some power swords have a fire effect

[opaque coyote]

Although I wonder how the fuck would that chainsword actually work

[storm jungle]

Needs to go through GW first

they are pretty picky

[crystal forum]

huh i thought it was for gameplay reasons

it's not major but zealot just has the most boring weaponry

[opaque coyote]

Zealot has zero unique guns

They have a bunch of fun melees

[crystal forum]

flamer

[opaque coyote]

But the guns are boring

[dusk patrol]

They have flamers

[opaque coyote]

One unique gun*

And tbf the flamer is fun

[dusk patrol]

They’re not really the gun class either

[opaque coyote]

I know but like

[queen laurel]

That's veteran and like they only have a plasma gun

As their most unique thing

[crystal forum]

vet doesnt have many unique ones either. it's just that most zealots use the same ones all the time lol

[opaque coyote]

Æ

[dusk patrol]

Part of the issue is they share guns largely with the vet and so even if it’s not unique they have a variety

[queen laurel]

They need a Melta or something

[storm jungle]

Literally every single thing in this game goes through GW.

[opaque coyote]

True

[storm jungle]

Levels, plot, narrative, weapons, etc

[dusk patrol]

They have plenty of unique melee weapons

[opaque coyote]

Probably why feature adding is so slow sometimes

[dusk patrol]

Which is also largely the point of the class

[storm jungle]

Its 40% that prob, the other is that making games is hard lol

[queen laurel]

Ogryn weapons is definitely the most unique because it's tailor made for there abhuman physiology

[crystal forum]

not as many as you'd expect for the melee class

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but I can't imagine like

[crystal forum]

like heavy sword is now generic

[opaque coyote]

How many fucking cool suggestions

Are just

Thrown to the trash cause

GW said no

[storm jungle]

Yep. But as usual my lips are sealed.

NDA Moment 💀

[queen laurel]

Because if you don't they will see it for you

[opaque coyote]

Dw I won't force you to break your NDA

[dusk patrol]

Largely they want to give both vet and zealot a lot of similar weapons it seems which is fine, they use them differently

[opaque coyote]

I did have an idea

Y'know the incinerator from Fallout NV

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of crossover with what they use vs the psyker and Ogryn who obviously have much more unique stuff

[opaque coyote]

Basically instead of a continuous stream of flame

It shoot fireballs

I always thought that maybe Zealot should have something similar

[crystal forum]

im jealous of the sheer variety in psyker loadouts

[dusk patrol]

Idk there’s a lot of stuff they could do

[queen laurel]

Guns magic melee

[dusk patrol]

Regardless I don’t think they’re super concerned with zealot ranged additions rn.

[queen laurel]

Damage support

[dusk patrol]

We’ll see

[queen laurel]

They can do a lot of things

[dusk patrol]

There’s not a lack of new stuff to add still

[crystal forum]

vet and zealot is which flavor of laser or bullet do you prefer

[dusk patrol]

Meltas and their variants are obviously a big one

Heavy bolter and autocannon for Ogryn

[crystal forum]

there's a whole astra militarum special weapons roster to choose from

[celest dome]

And also they have to be developped, which take some time

[queen laurel]

It would be fun to have a melta gun and melta pistol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

grenade launcher, melta, heavy stubber

[dusk patrol]

They have the heavy stubber

[crystal forum]

i want a lighter one for vet

[dusk patrol]

They have that

[opaque coyote]

Honestly always thought the storm Bolter for Vet

[dusk patrol]

It’s called the autogun

[opaque coyote]

Would be nice

[celest dome]

Stormbolter without Power armour ?

[crystal forum]

more ammo, less reloading but less damage and less accuracy

[opaque coyote]

Yeah have it do knockback

[dusk patrol]

Autogun with drum mag

[queen laurel]

I really want a stub cannon though

[opaque coyote]

Make it so that storm Bolter jumping is a thing

It would be funnt

[queen laurel]

Like just a giant revolver for an ogryn

[crystal forum]

i'll take it

[dusk patrol]

There’s no end of stuff I want and hope we get

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

I want a mech class so we can get some of the more exotic stuff

[opaque coyote]

Attachments

[dusk patrol]

Like conversion beamers and grav weapons

[opaque coyote]

Please just give me different sights good lord

If I want a god damn flashlight on my bolter

[dusk patrol]

This isn’t Call of Duty smh

[opaque coyote]

Omnissiah be damned

I will have that flashlight

[celest dome]

Soem weapons are way to rare and valuable for us to have

[crystal forum]

iron hand fan be like: why isn't it green and making my enemies fatter

[dusk patrol]

Tbh they’re handing out force and plasma weapons like they’re candy

That alone is wildly rare for most

[celest dome]

Attachement would have been nice, but they're not worth enough for me to see their need

[dusk patrol]

Power swords too

[celest dome]

Force, Power, Plasma are less rare than Conversion beamers and Grav weaponry

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of hand waving with the armory

It’s an inquisition ship

[storm jungle]

Its a gameplay =/= lore thing, and people constantly forget we are Inquisitorial kill-team agents

its not that extreme

[celest dome]

Like those are still issued to the Imperial Guard

[dusk patrol]

Force weapons are extremely rare

[opaque coyote]

Fat Fish Tech Priests see me attaching a reflex sight to my recon Lasgun and be like

"TECH HERESY! SERVITORIZE HIM!!"

[celest dome]

Less so than Conversion Beamers

[dusk patrol]

It is very extreme but it works so it doesn’t matter, and as I said it’s an inquisitor ship

[storm jungle]

Not really.

Again we wouldnt have it if GW didnt thought it doesnt make sense.

dont think so hard on it

[queen laurel]

Yeah this is also the same game where you can give an insane woman a giant chainsaw sword and tell him to kill that Horde and she will

[celest dome]

And none of our character would match well with either weapons

[dusk patrol]

Space marines have a hard time getting power swords often.

It works, it’s still extreme.

[storm jungle]

I mean

theres a difference between astartes and normal human equipment too

[verbal path]

Zeus, give me a reflex sight on the helbore and my life is yours.

[storm jungle]

Without getting too much into it theres about as many weapons that havent gotten in for uh "reasons".

[celest dome]

Because most world don't produce 'Space Marine' weapons, and they tend to be higher quality than regular human stuff

[storm jungle]

also this yeah

[dusk patrol]

Irregardless, that’s why it would be the ad mech guy getting the stuff

[storm jungle]

Meh.

But yeah FS doesnt just add this stuff in willy nilly freely.

[celest dome]

Even with a Tech Adept, I don't think we would see either

[storm jungle]

people really just assume they get a ton of freedom with this stuff when they really dont

[opaque coyote]

Space Marine swords are literally so heavy that even the most Zealotry person would have a hard time lifting one

[celest dome]

There are much more appropriate weapons for them

[storm jungle]

Yep again pretty much.

its just semantics

"Terminator armor is super rare"

Every chapter gets one constantly

"rare" is more or less just a throwaway term in this setting

[celest dome]

And as always, everything would have to be modeled, animated, have vfx done...
So lots of work

[verbal path]

No one told the Minotaurs terminator armor is rare.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I always considered it in a galaxy wide scale

Like obviously it would be harder to get Terminator armor than a Lasgun from your local forgeworld

[tough haven]

Rare just means it’s higher in power scaling

[dusk patrol]

That’s because they’re well equip

[opaque coyote]

So there's less made/found or whatever and therefore

Rarer

[dusk patrol]

Stuff like the entire Deathwing having terminator suits is notable for a reason

[storm jungle]

thats because Minotaurs are actually based.

they do the Minecraft PVP tactic

aka steal shit

[gray umbra]

Sometimes i wonder if they will ever run out of shards to put into the crux terminatus but realistically that will never happen

[outer wave]

As long as it doesnt lead to FS just scrapping the bottom of the barrel and remaking 6 kinds of shovels or 3 extra types of normal axes and swords, Im okay with mostly anything

[dusk patrol]

Most chapters can field probably ten, we just tend to see the “richest” chapters

[storm jungle]

How convenient

[queen laurel]

But of course the blood ravens get the robbing people reputation

[dusk patrol]

We’re also not seeing a lot of the guard regiments with all shit gear and no tanks either because it’s boring

[storm jungle]

Nah it wont, again not gonna say much but they get enough wiggle-room when it comes to this stuff sometimes, its how we got stuff like pickaxes and double-shotties, the double-standards are just very annoying/weird sometimes.

[opaque coyote]

Smh they don't enchant their armor with curse of vanishing

[dusk patrol]

Shockingly writers want to write about stuff that’s happening

[tough haven]

All apart of the Minotaur psy op

[verbal path]

That's because they don't PvP, they just steal when someone isn't looking

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Honestly minotaurs are basically that Minecraft player group whos like

Shows up at your house

sees its wooden

gets flint-rock

[queen laurel]

GRIEFERS

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah also kills your pet wolf

💀

[queen laurel]

The f****** bastards

[dusk patrol]

It’s mentioned in Pandorax that most don’t have it anymore, one Dark Angel with a suit dating back to the heresy has one and all GK suits still do but largely most don’t have the shard anymore.

[outer wave]

Yeah I imagine this must be INCREDIBLY annoying for the devs and artists to work around. Hope with their standalone project they can go hog wild

[gray umbra]

Blood ravens will dig a tunnel underneath your house and steal shit from your chest

[storm jungle]

YEP very much so 💀

[opaque coyote]

I kinda want a parody video that's essentially "SM chapters play Minecraft"

[storm jungle]

Honestly it fits more than you'd think

[celest dome]

WP's Flail being a good example.
GW doesn't want Flail on WP
So FS work a compromise and has Flail and Shield instead.

[storm jungle]

Iron Warriors mastering redstone

[queen laurel]

Black templars immediately build a statue of hitler

[opaque coyote]

2b2t is just 40k except a bit less racist

[gray umbra]

Thats good, i alwayz thought it was a dumb idea

[storm jungle]

Yeah the flail incident is prob the best example ever.

GW's asks are very stupid and braindead

[opaque coyote]

*The Emperor

A mere mortal cannot match His Light.

..m

And genocide count

Say what you will about the Emperor

But

Hitler failed to genocide one race

The Emperor successfully destroyed multiple.

Therefore The Emperor is better in every way

[queen laurel]

Not being able to romance Argenta even though sisters of battle don't have a vow of celibacy and it would be an interesting plot point to see a sister who is so focused on being a zealot see that loving can be a good thing

[outer wave]

Wait for the Argenta romance mod

[storm jungle]

The leaks i heard from behind the scenes were pretty funny

[verbal path]

Its not fair

[dusk patrol]

And thank god for that, people crying because they can’t fuck the SoB was way more entertaining than any romance would have been.

[celest dome]

More so when the WP of Sigmar don't have scripture that forbid any weapon (except bows iirc)

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always just thought it's mainly because they're too busy

Like

They're constantly fighting

Training

Praying

[storm jungle]

It depends.

[opaque coyote]

They don't really have time for a relationship

[storm jungle]

its mostly GW avoiding it actively

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's around

[storm jungle]

i forgot which book it was but the female author was talking about how like

[celest dome]

Nobody is fighting 24/7

[storm jungle]

she wanted to introduce a romance between two sisters

but the GW guys said no because

I quote

"they are nuns"

[opaque coyote]

45% are too Zealot to do things like date

[storm jungle]

when like

no

they arent

lol

[opaque coyote]

The other 55% are just too busy

[verbal path]

The fanbase

[dusk patrol]

Some have relationships in books, some don’t.

[storm jungle]

🏅

[queen laurel]

I don't think a nun would shoot a kid who is oblivious of the fact that he accidentally committed a heresy

[storm jungle]

I mean

depends on the nun

[dusk patrol]

You haven’t met many nuns

[queen laurel]

True

They probably would agree on eternal reward as well

[outer wave]

Look, nuns Im sure have had their moments lookin' at their fellow sister

[opaque coyote]

Sister Teresa who said that the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross

[verbal path]

It's just faith building exercises

[opaque coyote]

Not joking btw

[queen laurel]

Berk continue that sentence and i'm going to shove you so far down the toilet you will wish you can swim

[outer wave]

I was a varsity swimmer so

[dusk patrol]

There’s like two or three different books off the top of my head which had SoB in some kind of relationship or implied one

[outer wave]

Remember when we all praised Mother Teresa for being a great person?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think Watsonian wise

Some SoBs definitely have/had a relationship

[dusk patrol]

Please can we not go on the Reddit atheist arc right now

[opaque coyote]

They just keep their professional heretic murdering lives

Separate from their personal

[outer wave]

Oh I hate redditor atheists dont worry

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure some orders forbid it, some seem to not care, it’s whatever

I don’t personally care that we can’t fuck Argenta and I don’t think it would fit her character anyways

[gray umbra]

I just think argenta has a very nice laugh

[storm jungle]

no

[dusk patrol]

And people crying that they couldn’t bang the SoB was much funnier and better content than any romance would have been

[opaque coyote]

I mean I'd be fine with like

Something similar to the Craftworld Eldar route tbh

Essentially more of a platonic route than romantic

[dusk patrol]

We basically have that already

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Oh really

[storm jungle]

its called dating IRL

[dusk patrol]

You become friends with her lol

[crystal forum]

that's dumb af rogue trader had the wildest choices

[opaque coyote]

Damn I really need to play Rogue Trader

[storm jungle]

Do it

[outer wave]

Man I wish Rogue Trader would help me date women IRL....

[dusk patrol]

The CWE “romance” is basically just the most basic level friendship but you hold hands

[queen laurel]

Well being rich should help you should try that

That's what it taught me

[opaque coyote]

I wish Rogue Trader had some more Gay men options

I'm pretty sure there's only one?

And it's the Deldar

[outer wave]

I got money, looks, but ABSOLUTELY no charisma

[gray umbra]

Heinrix

9h

Oh

[outer wave]

I am a beta male........ 😔

[crystal forum]

you can get by with rizz alone

[queen laurel]

The only binary one i'm pretty sure is Jae Heydari

Heinrix straight and so Is cassia

[verbal path]

Be a true rogue trader and pay money for any shortcomings in charisma

[queen laurel]

There is also Marazhai

He is an alien that is absolutely

[opaque coyote]

Disappointing

0/10

Jk

[queen laurel]

Open with any relationships with the genders but go ahead he's a fucked one

[dusk patrol]

The romances are pretty simple largely except Marazhai where it’s a better written Amazon smut novel

They’re funny though

Cassia’s is hilarious

[storm jungle]

The writer Olga was very into Marazhai its great

[verbal path]

Now, 1-10 how's the DLC

[dusk patrol]

She has a uh

Thing I suspect

[verbal path]

[queen laurel]

10 out of 10

[storm jungle]

7/8

its very fun

the areas are amazing

also Kibellah is

GYAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT

[queen laurel]

You get a goth gf

[crystal forum]

the lamest part about straight romance is the amount of time and effort it takes to get from point A to point B (bed)

[dusk patrol]

I’m waiting for the next one then I’ll do it

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think the main reason why Sister of Battles don't get relationships simply because.

They know that it's a dangerous job

[queen laurel]

That wants to absolutely kill

[dusk patrol]

Can’t wait for Arbites boy

[opaque coyote]

And they will die

Like

[verbal path]

Daym

[opaque coyote]

There is a high chance

[dusk patrol]

He better have monologues like this

[crystal forum]

ultra puritan future cop hell ysH

[queen laurel]

She is very very sweet she is

[storm jungle]

best part is you can also romance the arbiter

which is even funnier

[celest dome]

No mo dangerous than Guardsmen

[storm jungle]

how the fuck is that first date even gonna go

"You pay the tab or I'm reporting you "

[opaque coyote]

tries to park near the restaurant

[celest dome]

Fuck the police, but in 40k

[opaque coyote]

"CITIZEN. YOU ARE PARKING ILLEGALLY."

[dusk patrol]

There will be cuffs involved

[storm jungle]

Im gonna fucking choke if they put some sex roleplay of you doing an arrest with him ngl

[opaque coyote]

"I'M TRYING TO PARALLEL PARK IT'S HARD"

[gray umbra]

Pyromancer sanctic bladedancer is op

[storm jungle]

"Oh no Arbiter what did I do owo"

[dusk patrol]

Sex doesn’t get him hard, only justice

[opaque coyote]

The Arbiter brings out the fucking shock maul set to its """lowest""" setting

[dusk patrol]

Go brutalize some vagrants, send some criminals to jail/death.

Bang

[verbal path]

[storm jungle]

Marazhai does that with his whip

its probably one of the most erotic scenes in warhammer media

i loved it kek

[queen laurel]

Of course you do

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

It has nothing on the Ferrus oiling scene in his primarch book

[gray umbra]

Shame agents of the imperium isnt good

[storm jungle]

Damn

hitting em while they are down

💀

[opaque coyote]

It's too bad he failed the twerk off against Fulgrim

[dusk patrol]

Pfft, he won the twerk off then Fulgrim got an assist twerk from a daemon

[opaque coyote]

His patented Snake Shaker was the winning move

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t count

[gray umbra]

Daemon sword does daemon sword things trope

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I am genuinely surprised that there is like one Gay Man option

Mainly because

40k

The amount of accidental and purposeful homoerotic shit in it is

[dusk patrol]

Me reading Drach’nyen just breaking the other guys weapon again so there isn’t even a fight

[gray umbra]

The only other options are like heinrix and abelard

[dusk patrol]

[opaque coyote]

Like there aren't many genres

Where I can say

"The Space Marines have to receive their daddy's seed"

Lile

[dusk patrol]

[gray umbra]

This is peak christie dawn writing from the arthas book from wow

[opaque coyote]

I can say a lot of the lore

[dusk patrol]

No

[opaque coyote]

In the worst way possible

[gray umbra]

Frostmourne breaks their weapon = fight won

[opaque coyote]

I could probably convince somebody who doesn't know what 40k is

[dusk patrol]

Author got bored tier writing

[opaque coyote]

That 40k is basically homoerotic scifi

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I pulled some similar shit ngl

[dusk patrol]

That wouldn’t be a high bar to clear

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it is kinda boring writing fights

Since you have to rely on dialogue

[dusk patrol]

Basically any hyper masculine setting is easy to make homoerotic or just is

[opaque coyote]

And it can be interesting

[gray umbra]

You can easily dump text to describe how cool your anime fight is

Its just boring when its my magical weapon breaks yours u lose

[dusk patrol]

It also undercuts the whole “Abaddon is so dangerous and cool” thing when he barely ever properly fights people

[opaque coyote]

But in-between the dialogue, it would basically be

"man punches person"

[dusk patrol]

Like yeah his sword is dope but it’s super boring

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I kinda want Drachyen as a skin in Darktide or SM2

Have it talk

It would be funny

"WHERE AM I?"

[dusk patrol]

No shit you’re gonna win if your opponent can’t even block your attack, it doesn’t make him cool though

[opaque coyote]

Basically a curb stomp isn't fun

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Especially when it keeps happening

[opaque coyote]

Like, for example, if I ask people's favorite fights in DBZ

I bet nobody would say

"Reccome vs Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin"

Like the Vegeta part is fun

But that's only because he actually can fight back

[dusk patrol]

Especially because at the end of the day, 40k is built a lot around these fights and duels and stuff

[opaque coyote]

I know this sounds generic

But a 40k Seinen

Would be fun

Like I would love to see Shonen type fights

Because I have to admit, despite some of them being trope filled

It is always entertaining to see

Like I still love DBZ

Despite the fact that 50% of it consists of screaming

Partially because the fights are genuinely fun

And genuinely well choreographed

[opaque coyote]

I feel like a lot of 40k fights are curbstomps tbh

Not all of them obviously

But a good chunk

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it depends, like idk they don’t all have to be

[gray umbra]

40k is practically an anime

[opaque coyote]

Like I get it

Grimdark blah blah blah "YOU HAVE NO CHANCE"

[dusk patrol]

But when we’re being told Abaddon is this amazing fighter but he has a sword and claw which breaks everyone else’s shit

Like, that’s not exactly the hardest bar to clear

[gray umbra]

Yeah thats the most boring trope

[opaque coyote]

I feel like it'd be way more interesting if say

Abaddon fought somebody in his level

But Abaddon still won due to his merits

I mean that's obvious

[dusk patrol]

I really don’t enjoy Abbadon being good at everything either

Especially a duelist

[opaque coyote]

But like if you wanna show him as a "Good Warrior"

[dusk patrol]

He doesn’t need to be

[opaque coyote]

Fucking show it

[gray umbra]

I enjoy the implication in night lords where its implied talos knows abaddon is just making shit up

Maybe it was just my interpretation

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t mind it if Abbadon was just cheesing his duels and barely did them, which is kinda what he does

And he’s just a brilliant commander

But the problem is they insist he’s actually an amazing warrior too, literally one of the best ever if not the best, but never show it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. It reminds me of a character from... Of all things. A Gacha game.

Specifically HSR

Basically one of the characters is a general.

He's mentioned to be a good fighter but not the best at all

Like he's mainly a general

[dusk patrol]

It’s like me winning in MMA because I bring a gun to the ring

[opaque coyote]

And his demeanor characterizes that since his weapon is a giant fuck off Halberd

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t really make me seem like the best fighter even if I keep winning because of it

[opaque coyote]

Basically he just wants the fights done and overworh

So that he can focus on leading his troops

And one of his main gimmicks in gameplay

Is having his big fuck off God Shard

Do the damage for him

While he mainly just moves it forward

I feel like Abaddon should be similar

Like he's a good fighter in general but his main talent is commanding

[dusk patrol]

Also in general the whole “warp bullshit go” and winning is just

Idk

I don’t dislike his character but I dislike some choices they’ve had with him

[opaque coyote]

And he uses Drachyen to just defeat anybody that wants his position

[dusk patrol]

Also he needs to fucking lose sometime

He’s basically never lost properly himself since the heresy

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it would be interesting if he struggles fight wise

[gray umbra]

They want to keep him as the posterboy for chaos

[opaque coyote]

Like it would be interesting to see hom

Strategize himself out of a desperate situation

Where he's in danger

Maybe he gets jumped by a group of Custodes and he has to desperately escape

While using his intelligence to successfully fend them off

[tough haven]

Wait, characters lose in 40k?

[opaque coyote]

The Eldar

[tough haven]

Well yeah but they just drew the short stick

theyre supposed to lose

[dusk patrol]

The Imperium has been taking endless Ls in most major conflicts for like

Almost ten years now

[gray umbra]

But muh lion el jonson

[storm jungle]

Major L's is lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah apparently Phoenix Lords are supposed to be like

In-between Custodes and Primarchs

Ancient warriors

[forest orbit]

They are made from the souls of like extremely talented warriors and are essentially a hivemind yeah

[opaque coyote]

With thousands of years of experience and power

[forest orbit]

theres just 1 dominant personality

[opaque coyote]

And yet they just

Aren't that

[forest orbit]

Eh its the usual garbage

[opaque coyote]

Or at least it doesn't feel like that

[forest orbit]

best to just ignore it

[dusk patrol]

Cadia, Vigilus, the entire Arks saga, Pandoraax, and so on.

[opaque coyote]

God damn just let the Xenos win

[storm jungle]

Yeah that really isnt that major.

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

The Pariah Nexus stuff also isn’t going good

[storm jungle]

"The galaxy is split in half"

the Imperium is still doing mostly fine

[forest orbit]

I mean

you are arguing with a space marine fan

[storm jungle]

oh right

[dusk patrol]

If the only way we qualify major is “the Imperium gets destroyed completely”

Then sure

[opaque coyote]

Have we gotten books in the Nihilius part

[dusk patrol]

Like yes they didn’t end the setting

[storm jungle]

Major L in this setting usually applies to that so yes

they dont get humiliated

its just "oh no we've lost the battle"

[opaque coyote]

I think only the lion returns books yeah?

[storm jungle]

Barely.

[dusk patrol]

They definitely get humiliated and lost hard, multiple times

[storm jungle]

its explored mini-mini-piece by like

a codex entry

or one mention in a book

we dont have a good insight into what is FULLY going on there

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think Nihilius should be delved into as like

An absolute shitshoe

[forest orbit]

the chaos codex from 9th edition explains some parts

how like it has large chaos empires etc

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[opaque coyote]

Like it's a view into what would happen if like

[storm jungle]

but aside from that we basically know next to nothing

[forest orbit]

yep

[opaque coyote]

The Emperor finally crosked

[storm jungle]

Its very underexplored rn

[opaque coyote]

That sounds fucking awesome

[dusk patrol]

Like, this is just objective. Arks the Lion showed up to barely bail out his legion who did nothing but lose half the entire Unforgiven, and he barely beat Angron who will just respawn.

[storm jungle]

I assume we will maybe get some once Dawn of Fire finally dies out

[opaque coyote]

Why don't we have more books

[storm jungle]

cant wait for that to fucking happen soon

[opaque coyote]

It would be awesome

[dusk patrol]

Vigilus was a huge blow to the Imperium

Cadia is Cadia

[storm jungle]

all major campaigns take place on the other side of the rift

where all the major characters/factions are

so theres "no point" in exploring it largely

[forest orbit]

^

this is the main reason

[dusk patrol]

The 13th in general shredded a ton of planets and ended whole Forgeworlds and all that

[forest orbit]

the other side of the rift is just "its chaos and war idk"

[storm jungle]

yep this

so its a case of "eh idk maybe we'll get to it at some point"

[opaque coyote]

That is

So lame

[forest orbit]

as you said hopefully once Dawn of Fire is over

[dusk patrol]

But since the setting didn’t actually end it doesn’t matter.

I guess the Eldar haven’t suffered any major defeats ever then either.

[storm jungle]

Average plot event in 40k moment

like

[dusk patrol]

Since they’re still around.

[storm jungle]

i wouldnt mind atl east 1 book

where they go into this shit

but i guess codex text will do for now

[forest orbit]

Again im sure they will um

get to it

at some point

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Like they should detail like idk

A Guardsman in Imperium Nihilius

[storm jungle]

A short story would be fine tbh

[opaque coyote]

Where their situation is somehow even more fucked than usual

[dusk patrol]

The Lion book and Spears of the Emperor go into Nihlius a lot

[storm jungle]

like they just released 6 of them awhile ago

and its just "guardsman doing nonsense"

[opaque coyote]

Also Major Chaos empire

Sounds sick

Maybe we could have one that delusionally believes that the Emperor is a Chaos God

Technically classified as undivided

[storm jungle]

That happens a lot already

even pre-rift

its a pretty normal cliche

[dusk patrol]

That’s basically what’s happening with Lorgar right now

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true

[dusk patrol]

He’s going around spreading his faith and taking worlds

[opaque coyote]

Interesting

If we ever get Hive City Simulator

Do you think being in the Nihilius would count as a harder difficulty

[dusk patrol]

Probably lol

[opaque coyote]

Also one final thing

Do you think Daemonettes would wear suits

Like

Dress suits

Probably be made out of skin but still

[storm jungle]

Probably

daemons dont exactly have a dresscode

[crystal forum]

nothing stops you from creating slaneesh worshipers who are really into fashion

[gray umbra]

Its viable

Emperors children do got drip

[crystal forum]

i meant actual drip instead of juggalo cosplay

[storm jungle]

Mmmm, skincloak

[gray umbra]

The emp children who still wear their original 30k stuff still look good

[opaque coyote]

I like the Noise Marines

They have drip

...and enhanced organs

[viral halo]

I didn't check chat for two hours and there's 500 something messages

[crystal forum]

caught lacking

[vast crystal]

I hate being American

[charred jewel]

I have disagreements with Euromix Americans...I don't understand how they come to fascism at all

Like, you can't talk about freedom, and then talk fascism. They're opposites

[vast crystal]

They're quite literally virtue signaling when they talk about freedom

[jade holly]

How is this related to Warhammer lore

[vast crystal]

🤷

[rose thorn]

Donald trump is in my town atm actually

Lmao

[jade holly]

Credit where credit’s due

He’s on the move for his campaign

that man gets around fast

Especially for his age

[rose thorn]

“My imperium, is be bigger than any other imperium.” -emperor or something

[jade holly]

I remember when the Emperor worked at the Metalfab

He gave the Commissar an extra Lemann Russ

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

"I know many good aliens lots and lots of good aliens."

he doesnt

[jade holly]

I’m friends with a lot of Xenos

[rose thorn]

“When I become emperor, I’ll make sure no more mutants enter my imperium illegally”

[jade holly]

The chaos gods? They’re not sending their best

[vast crystal]

Wait really?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[vast crystal]

How does it feel

[rose thorn]

I’m staying on campus and inside my dorm to avoid the hellscape traffic right outside

[jade holly]

That does remind me, either I’m just oblivious to the news or they’re not advertising anything for Kamala

[rose thorn]

Kamala was in my town too lol

[jade holly]

all I’ve heard recently is Trump worked at a McDonald’s

[rose thorn]

Like a few months ago

[rose thorn]

Pretty sure those are ai too lol

[jade holly]

and snuck in a few extra nuggets in meals

[jade holly]

It was full on news clips of him working there

[rose thorn]

“I was given, a slightly extended life of 1 million years”

[rose thorn]

I doubt it was ‘work’

[jade holly]

It literally showed him making meals

[rose thorn]

And more ‘paid actors’

[jade holly]

Putting fries in bags

[vast crystal]

It was closed

[rose thorn]

lmao

[vast crystal]

For him to pull that stunt

[jade holly]

It was closed but he was serving at the drive through of it

[vast crystal]

Everything was rehearsed

[jade holly]

Well duh, it’s politics

No politician is stupid enough to not do a rehearsal for something like that

They’re never fully honest

[rose thorn]

“You need to watch out for those Eldar, they will eat your cats”

[outer wave]

"They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're everywhere in Springfield, I've seen it myself."

[rose thorn]

“When I become emperor, I’m going to build a legion bigger than any other”

“It’s going to go across the entire Milky Way”

[jade holly]

I see politics like the Tyranids vs the Flood

Either way

You’re fucked

[rose thorn]

Genestealer cults

Never involve my political faction into politics again

(Meme)

[jade holly]

But yeah, politics are never worth getting involved in

Too messy of an industry

[vast crystal]

It's more "the many vs shodan"

[jade holly]

Nah

it’s def hordes of shit vs hordes of turds

No matter what

You get shit

Omfg Disney

How

How is it that hard to make a Blade film

It got indefinitely delayed

[vast crystal]

Saying both sides are equally has evil is definitely a take

It's like saying the tau are just as evil as chaos

[jade holly]

Maybe so, but the Tau are still evil dickheads

Doesn’t exactly make them good

[vast crystal]

My point

[jade holly]

My argument is that it doesn’t fucking matter because either way you get screwed over

[vast crystal]

But leagues better than and more preferable than a literal deathcult

[rose thorn]

God I love genestealer cults

[jade holly]

Not really

Neither side is good

[rose thorn]

The arguably least evil faction in 40k, but also terrorists

[jade holly]

Both are horrible choices

[vast crystal]

sigh

[jade holly]

It’s a game of semantics

We’re arguing points from our perspectives

[vast crystal]

Reddit moment

Bottom text

[jade holly]

So you’ve resorted to just calling me a redditor

[vast crystal]

Because your argument is the exact kind of shit you'd see a redditor post. Thinking there some 110 iq intellectual colossus

[jade holly]

My apologies for not being the insane tantrum raving individual you want me to be

But I just don’t see either side of politics being good

They’re both out for themselves, it’s why I don’t bother with politics to begin with

And seeing as this is a 40k server, this is not a discussion to continue

[vast crystal]

Would you rather live on a planet controlled by the tau or chaos?

[jade holly]

If I had to choose between one evil or another I’d rather just kill myself

And that is the last thing I’ll say

[vast crystal]

Please answer the question

[jade holly]

I did

Good day

[outer wave]

Guys would you rather be a hormagaunt or a gretchin?

[jade holly]

Emperor, would you love me if I was a Cherub?

[vast crystal]

Hormagaunt

[outer wave]

Im imagining a fellow guardsman asking a comrade in arms or partner about this

[jade holly]

Commissar, would I be of more value to you as a Cherub

[outer wave]

Commissar, would you still order me around if I were a servitor?

[jade holly]

Commissar, would you eat my corpse starch if I were a heretic?

[outer wave]

Commissar, would you still shoot me if I were a snotling?

[jade holly]

Commissar, I miss my wife

Good news is I improved my aim since then

[vast crystal]

I fucking hate all of you

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dooly-gif-19284362

[outer wave]

Commissar, would you still 'love' me if I were a Penitent Engine?

[vast crystal]

How do you even type in ogryn

[outer wave]

Put in a little bit of an accent into the text I'd say

Dumb down words a little bit

[vast crystal]

Sair? Wud u comund me if I wuz a spark'ed?

(Like this)

[jade holly]

Sah, shuld aye throw a rock at ‘im, sah?

[outer wave]

Yeah both work

[jade holly]

Brawler uses sah in game

[vast crystal]

Didn't know how to spell sah

Also i use bodyguard

[jade holly]

I used bully for the longest

Brawler should be Bodyguard

And Bodyguard should be brawler

[vast crystal]

Why

[jade holly]

Brawler just says Sah more often like he’s on guard with the vet

[vast crystal]

I guess

[storm jungle]

Bodyguard has a lot more protective lines

lots of "get behind me" comments too

[jade holly]

True

I just like hearing Sah

also I’m pretty sure JB Blanc voices Brawler

[storm jungle]

Nah

[jade holly]

And he voiced Braum

[vast crystal]

DON'T SAY IT DON'T THINK IT DON'T SAY IT DON'T THINK IT

[storm jungle]

This game has absolutely no famous voice actors

they are all handpicked and unknown

[jade holly]

The male Savant voice guy needs to be in more games

[storm jungle]

goes more to show how much untapped talent there is in the industry

[jade holly]

I like his voice

[storm jungle]

Not to sound racist

[vast crystal]

As things should be

[storm jungle]

but african american VAs got like

some of the most badass voices in media

[viral halo]

damn did I miss the cringe vs naynay warhammer morals argument

[storm jungle]

they all got very deep voices too

[jade holly]

KMR, Keith David, Christopher Judge

[storm jungle]

Yep!

[jade holly]

Khary Peyton

I prob misspelled his name

[storm jungle]

the line of badassess is long as fuck

[vast crystal]

How the fuck is that racist

[jade holly]

Phil Lamarr

[storm jungle]

James Earl Jones, Michael Clarke Duncan etc

[jade holly]

The guy who voiced Miles’s father in Spiderverse

[storm jungle]

Im kinda saying "this ethnic group has great VAs" so it might be taken the wrong way lol

[jade holly]

Imo it’s just a coincidence of genetics. They all happen to have deep voices that resonate well

[viral halo]

It's like saying Asians are all great at math, it's just implied you don't have to worry about racism

[storm jungle]

^

[viral halo]

and now we wait

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much this

[vast crystal]

Sounds like their problem then

[storm jungle]

they got a lot more deep voices

[jade holly]

Darin DePaul is my favorite voice actor though

Not only does he have a badass voice

He’s an absolute teddy bear irl

Nicest guy ever

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are great

but uh going back to the subject

FS always picks random unknown VAs

not a single "famous" VA to speak of

its great

[vast crystal]

Again. As it should be

[storm jungle]

Yep

its bad because the VA industry is like really shit

unless you got a good manager you are essentially screwed lol

you will either take off or just never get recognized, a lot like actual acting tbh

A protagonist role of a big game could be filled by someone with an amazing range but we just gotta get someone like Nolan North or Troy Baker every time

[vast crystal]

Obligatory I FUCKING HATE GIANNI MATRAGRANO

[viral halo]

I mainly voice act in erotic literature based games

[storm jungle]

Bruh moment

also based

[viral halo]

They're all text based so I don't get much work

[vast crystal]

You could replace this with any online va btw

[outer wave]

Do you just like, moan into a mic and then get paid or?

[vast crystal]

They all sound like shit to me

[storm jungle]

Not all of them but some deffo

I find Dreadanon funny until I kinda dont lol

Gianni is so and so

hes a great guy but like meh

[outer wave]

I think both do pretty good VA work but memery is up to your sense of humor

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[outer wave]

Like I enjoy Gianni's sense of humor

[vast crystal]

Dreadanon making enjoyable meme dubs kinda balances his mediocrity out

I just can't stand gianni in general tbh

[storm jungle]

LOL

[vast crystal]

I can put up with a game i like having him in it

But still

What's the lol for

I thought you'd be more mad than anything

[storm jungle]

i mean its just some VA on youtube idgaf

i said my piece on the better

hes just there for me, i avoid most of his content since it doesnt interest me

[vast crystal]

You underestimate my ability to mindlessly hate the most trivial shit

I'm honestly surprised I'm not still involved In that gamer gate bullshit

Oh wait

I'm somehow smarter than them

That's why

[storm jungle]

[vast crystal]

surprised

Where do you think I got said ability

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226274954643898379/1288226707626660033/tmpothpg577.gif

I didn't actually notice the dialogue thing above it

So not the intent

[jade holly]

Hot take: the Word bearers

Are Starscream as a legion

[green loom]

They did get a Starscream VA voicing a character of theirs

[jade holly]

Steve Blum?

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy38yEo_7Io

[jade holly]

Yeah that’s Steve Blum

[green loom]

Funnily in DoW2 he's a croney to Araghast, who has a Megatron VA voicing him lol

And he betrays him too

[jade holly]

Which Megatron? Frank Welker or Fred Tatasciore

God that’s a weird last name to pronounce

And spell

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3mtivoKK0M

[jade holly]

I think that’s Fred

[green loom]

It is yeah

[jade holly]

He also voices Bane in IJ2

And Soldier 76

[green loom]

Among 70 million other chars

Same for blum tbf

[jade holly]

He gets around

[green loom]

Feel like Blum is a little less prevalent nowadays

[jade holly]

Probably slowing down work to head into retirement

meanwhile the legend Peter Cullen still doing voice work

Oh fun fact

Steve Blum voiced two different decepticons

StarScream in Prime, Shockwave in Fall of Cybertron

[storm jungle]

his real rise was like

voicing literally any character in the mid 2000's

down to just main characters, side characters, or just Bad Guy NPCs

[green loom]

It's true, Steve Blum voiced me

[jade holly]

You know what’s gonna piss me off?

If they fumble Armor Wars as much as they are with Blade

Like my two favorite heroes in Marvel can’t catch a fucking break

[rose thorn]

Gosh this is such is a good box, so so many chaos characters for proxies, the ravangers is probably the best STD kit for heroes lmao

The pageant is the weakest, but main man isn’t a bad pain lord or lord of hubris proxy

What a trash model lmao

[rose thorn]

UHG this model annoys me

[storm jungle]

legit a SLAYAH

[outer wave]

Slayin in that drip

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/ae6Fao42aHE?si=APX42UzTnpT5BLoV

I like his voice

A lot of Chaos people sound like they need throat candies

But Eliphias's voice sounds like a fine wine

Soft. Smooth.

But bitter.

Fitting for a Word Bearer tbh

[rose thorn]

Te like, not even horny or badass, I hate his reverse helmet

YOU SKULL ME BUT IM RIGHT

[storm jungle]

Leave discount 300 Xerxes alone!!!!!

[rose thorn]

His lore is he is obsessed with being the best swordsman

And that he thinks he can solo anyone

But

He’s just a dude

[storm jungle]

Hes just a lil guy

[rose thorn]

He might look enter with tattoos

[rose thorn]

This is a Halloween costume

I t

I think he needs a cod piece

Like the one with the guy’s face on it

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

HE NEED SOMETHING

Like

This is the minimum for hedonites of slaansh

[storm jungle]

Skintenderiser my beloved

[rose thorn]

Lord of pain is amazing model

[storm jungle]

Hedonites in general are goated

[opaque coyote]

Slaaneshi cook

[rose thorn]

Fr

[opaque coyote]

"Okay, firstly we need to tenderize the meat."

"Alive of course."

"NO PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY"

"Oooh extra morsels for later~"

[rose thorn]

The two worst AOS factions model wise got binned sadly

But BoC are probably gonna be back next edition

[opaque coyote]

TENDERIZES PERSON ALIVE

Why do the hedonites have better designs than 40k

I am sad

[rose thorn]

All of AOS does lol

I love my 40k terrorism tho

[storm jungle]

^

AOS has the better modellers

this was said awhile ago officially ironically lol

[crystal forum]

sorry but

https://youtube.com/shorts/PwX40gl6u5Y?si=VfDjyDH0UlmjpFts

does this guy intentionally say every word shittily

agree world

jopel

[viral halo]

I'm so fucking mad I bought Khagras ravagers before it went OOP and thought I had a cool OOP model and now it's back

FUCK

[crystal forum]

no aygri

aygri world

[viral halo]

allegedly a lot of 40k modellers have moved on and the modelling crew in inundated with new people

[rose thorn]

Use a second set to replace some of AOs old bad models

[crystal forum]

have a degree in aygriculture

[rose thorn]

If I get them again imma throw them on in

Uh

Replace the ppl on this

And

[shell mason]

that looks cool

[rose thorn]

Th ppl on these are so bad lol

[crystal forum]

GW drip feeding everything even though they probably have the next 2 years of models ready

[rose thorn]

FR

[shell mason]

I beg it differ

[storm jungle]

All the more power to them

[viral halo]

they're gonna go to the next big thing: TRENCH CRUSADE

[viral halo]

I fucking loveeeeeeeee this model

[rose thorn]

I like the model i just hate the guy on top

[viral halo]

I want him to give me top

I mean

I like the model on top

[green loom]

I do want to see some neat Abyssinian troops

[crystal forum]

yeah if trench crusade goes anywhere past lore drops

and i doubt senior modellers would give up a cushy GW job in this economy

sounds like 4chan cope

[nocturne crest]

INB4 the Jopall regiments get their own model range and gameplay based on chance and plots.

[crystal forum]

LOL

jopall getting dedicated models would be the secret ending timeline

they have less lore than valhallans

[opaque coyote]

Honestly Jopall of all planets getting dedicated models would be funny

Although the one picture we have of their guardsmen makes me hurl

They have the color scheme of a fucking 90 year old grandmas dress

[shell barn]

Do the Chaos Gods have any sort of races that they prefer or like over most of the other ones? Was wondering this because Khorne has that one Ork just chilling in a permanent fight

[crystal forum]

i'm pretty sure the only pic of them in existence is of a proxy guard model that was being shown off alongside a bunch of others

why jopall of all custom one off regiments has had any amount of community attention is anybody's guess

of course they've now been cemented in the community since an entire TTS episode was about the planet

[misty brook]

So the Malstrain in Necromunda is a type of genestealer?

[arctic talon]

A really fucked up mutated, radiation ridden, genetically messed with one yes

[misty brook]

So that explains why they're even more fugly than usual.

[opaque coyote]

I guess because their main idea is funny

They're literally trying to be as cheap as possible

Due to the fact that they are in debt when they're born

Also apparently their command structure actually promoted individuality

[jade holly]

How much is known about planets on the fringes of the Empire’s territory

[rose thorn]

hey who was the one that said comics suck

most of these modern comic books are pretty trash wow

every good story is a one off or like, what 5 comics long

[crystal forum]

i probably never said it here but american comics suck

[crystal forum]

look up halo stars

and the lexi page about the galaxy

macharius went far but pussied out

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567504633258311710/1297313285426774026/IMG_4726.gif

[crystal forum]

there's generally so much going on inside the galaxy that the edge doesn't get much attention

[arctic talon]

not a ton depending on the place

[jade holly]

So I could very well say there’s a big ole desert planet on the fringe of the empire and people could a ok on it?

[arctic talon]

yes

[jade holly]

Noice

[crystal forum]

you could say that about anywhere in the galaxy

[arctic talon]

you could plop it in segmentum solar

if you wanted lol

[jade holly]

Yeah but the fringes add that layer out outside the law of the empire feel

Gives it a Wild West appeal

[crystal forum]

there's a ton of uncharted space everywhere

[rose thorn]

nah it was you

[queen laurel]

God

[rose thorn]

NOOOOOOOOO

[jade holly]

“By Odin’s fade”

[arctic talon]

Odin is bald btw

[queen laurel]

why is it a thing

[arctic talon]

in that comic

He doesn't have a fucking fade

[jade holly]

A fade so hard he has no hair left

[arctic talon]

bruh

[queen laurel]

oh for fucks sake

[rose thorn]

i really liked batman brave and the bold's take on earth 3, espeically joker being red hood

[queen laurel]

he doesn't even have a fade?

[rose thorn]

so i was like

[crystal forum]

marvel doing a hello fellow kids

[rose thorn]

'oh this is a cool idea for a joker gang for batman minature game'

[arctic talon]

this is the worst part

of the comic prolly lol

By Odin's Fade is cringe but like

[jade holly]

So remember the Iron Mavericks sub chapter I’m working on?

I managed to break it into even smaller groups now

[rose thorn]

this comic was 100% written by 5 white guys

[jade holly]

One gang is called the Warp Riders (take a wild guess who they’re inspired by)

[crystal forum]

btw there's a ridiculous amount of one off lore about the solar system

there's like a whole fucking fake planet that doesnt get talked about anymore

[rose thorn]

thats a good way to add variety, maybe 1 group per company?

it woudl be neat if each comapny comes from a idfferent gang on their home planet if you need ideas

[jade holly]

The idea is the sub chapter isn’t one full formation, but rather groups of 10 at most called “posses” that can form together to form gangs on the fringe planets

[arctic talon]

it was written by a dude who was hispanic

so

uh

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

idk

[jade holly]

And each gang has their division of Admech tech priests supplying them will tools

[arctic talon]

I did some studying

lol

[jade holly]

Because damnit it seems like the Iron Hands and Admech would be chummy with each other

[crystal forum]

you dont say

[arctic talon]

they are

lol