40k-lore-chat

[lapis verge]

Well yea but I need my beach fanservice episode

With water combat and aquatic explosions

[dusk patrol]

It’s also a huge world

Iirc it’s significantly larger than Earth

[crystal forum]

the gravity is caused by steel legion balls of carbonic iron

i hope we get more armageddon story

one of the only overused planets which i want to see used more

[opaque coyote]

Yeah a lot of planets have an issue of having too much hats

But to be honest, I don't fault GW too much about it

Since it's hard to go into detail for every planet

However, yeah, it would've been interesting if some extremely important planets

Like Cadia (before it fucking exploded)

had varied biomes

[charred jewel]

In the first soul drinkers novel. The soul drinkers repurpose their thunderhawks into basic sail ships and multiple marines get thrown into the water. They end up having to throw off bits of armor only coming to shore D-day style with just the black interface skin suit

Space marines cannot swim with power armor. Unsure on carapace

[arctic talon]

Mars has biomes

It’s got the polar regions still

Don’t ask how

[queen laurel]

did they actually terraform it like elon musk planned it or what

[charred jewel]

In angrons book does he ever get to see the not-desert parts of Nuceria or is he always there

[languid meadow]

If humanity can create hollow and flat worlds (THIS IS WRONG) during the golden age they can terraform mars (which they did iirc)

[opaque coyote]

wait flat worlds and hollow worlds exist during the DAoT

Honestly, it would be sick for the Imperium to like

Try scavanging through a Dyson Sphere or something similar

Or like a DAoT Hollow Planet exploration

[languid meadow]

yeah the hollow worlds have a novel about them as well

Pretty sure I am wrong on humanity creating them actually nvm ignore what I said but yet flat and hollow worlds exist in 40k

[queen laurel]

oh shit For real?

that is nice

[opaque coyote]

Monsterverse and 40k crossover

let's fucking gooooo-

godzilla aside, honestly, exploring a hollow world for a book sounds dope

[languid meadow]

but yeah they did terraform mars

[opaque coyote]

actually fuck it, the DAoT era probably found a necron tomb or two while exploring a hollow planet

Imagine like a weird DAoT and Necron fusion

They replaced the Custodian AI that the Necrons have with their own

Basically a human owned AI that controls a bunch of necrons

And the tech inside is like

A mixture of Necron and DAoT tech

[vast heart]

I'm fairly certain I remember an instance of a Carcharodon terminator waiting to ambush someone fully submerged in water but I'm gonna need to track down a source

That could also literally just be a space shark thing

[arctic talon]

No

Mars being a dune covered hellhole is sacred

[queen laurel]

Lmao classic that is

[dry epoch]

I made the dedication for that one, too. Or the acknowledgments, I don’t remember exactly.

🙂

[green loom]

I mean they CAN outright terraform

They just don't want to a lot of the time

Like Cawl begins terraforming Sotha as payment for the Scythes showing him the Pharos

[rose thorn]

>_\€]>|^*

This is so funny

[queen laurel]

well the guy certainly looks enthusiastic

[rose thorn]

“Finally starting the bets gw game!”

“Is it actually good?”

[rocky gale]

They’ve been struggling recently trying to keep views up

[rose thorn]

Yeah but at least their content is generally consistently good

[rocky gale]

The issue is they kinda just stopped doing the videos people were watching and were excited about

[rose thorn]

Yeah but they seem to be doing what they wanna do, also they seem to be riding a the money from the GW sponsorships

On topic of mordheim, I hope gw makes an AOS version of it tbh

I’d love to be a group of kharadron treasure hunters or kruleboyz or Sylvaneth

I really liked Necromunda

[rocky gale]

Like they hyped up a big narrative campaign for AoS with a world map and then just never finished the project or mentioned it again

[rose thorn]

Oh was that at the beginning of 4th?

[queen laurel]

a world map for what?

[rose thorn]

Or was it the dawnbringer thing?

[rose thorn]

Ho ly shit

[queen laurel]

YO ARE THESE ALLIANCE BASED GROUP BOXES?

[rose thorn]

Yea

[queen laurel]

Rip Hedrakka's madmob

[rose thorn]

Also

All the cards

Come in 1 box

Holy shit

GW’s biggest W

Ever

[queen laurel]

damn GW killed it with underworlds huh

[rose thorn]

ALSO

[queen laurel]

DIGITAL DOWNLOADS?

[rose thorn]

All the cards for all the warbands are in 1 box

[queen laurel]

so i can also see them?

[rose thorn]

Also these 4 warbands are gonna get rules again soon

[queen laurel]

Also I'm not tripping but does this blood bowl model look like a high elf in oblivion

[rose thorn]

He’s doing the

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

Face

[queen laurel]

Lmao 100%

[rose thorn]

Also it seems they are getting a lot of the old warbands first

And ditching the ones that feel like repeats of others

Or just aren’t interesting

The 1 box for or all warbands cards is amazing

And it makes buying the warbands solo viable

[queen laurel]

their choices for the warband in each boxs seems the most appealing and available faction

but then again i'm still surprised they didn't include Hedkrakka's Madmob in the destruction box

they are like pretty equal on the war bands included on the destruction box

[rose thorn]

Yeah but they are probably dead in the water until they get a home faction

The BoC one is pretty good but it’s probably never gonna get rules

[queen laurel]

True how many season does underworlds currently have right now

[rose thorn]

I wonder if plague pack and storm coven are gonna get rules

[rose thorn]

It got hard reset

[queen laurel]

yes but like how many because each one had a book right

[rose thorn]

Ohh

[queen laurel]

for stories and shit

yeah i want to get each one to read

you said they are great

[rose thorn]

Like

Almost 60

58

[queen laurel]

aigh we ball

[rose thorn]

Not counting the 2 that just dropped

And not counting the releases that didn’t have models

I’m excited to see the digital rules tbh

[queen laurel]

58 seasons?

[rose thorn]

58 warbands

[queen laurel]

just a seasons like shade spire and night vault

[rose thorn]

I don’t think seasons easy easy to count , some had like 15 releases and others had 3

[queen laurel]

no not the releases just the seasons

like beastgrave something like that

like this

[rose thorn]

Oh

8

[queen laurel]

ok 8 books

[rose thorn]

Also i see now every warband will have digital rules for free

But the ones in the combo boxes and new releases will have rules

For comp play

But all the warbands get quarterly updates

[queen laurel]

finally i can Just Download Morgok's Krushaz and stare at the rules

[rose thorn]

And all the old warbands will eventually be released

I imagine the factions that don’t have a rep yet will get them

Or sub factions

Probably

Storm coven, chosen axes, razors, starblood, brothers of the bolt, wurmspat, and mollog

Will most likely be up next for purchase

Mollog is one of the most iconic warbands ever lmao

I imagine the new warbands would also be quick to get rules

OH YEAH ZAGBAG LMAO

Aka this is gonna be the best year for underworlds yet

[queen laurel]

the Grots?

[rose thorn]

Ye they were All over promotional material

Oh one of the dark oath warbands too probably will be in the next wave of releases

Maybe eyes of 9? Or what ever the mortal tzeentch warband is called

They supposedly said all the warbands that are already available for purchase will get rules

But all of them got removed form the store lmao

[shell mason]

[rose thorn]

So maybe the stabba ladz, bag, brothers, skinnerkin, and grave breakers will have cards?

Oh and mollog

[queen laurel]

the troll

yeah he's neat

[rose thorn]

Every game he has rules for he is one of the funniest fuckers ever

He makes or breaks destruction lists

For warcry

[queen laurel]

Is he a type of like elite warband?

[rose thorn]

He is 1 model

[queen laurel]

because like he's only a single troll with a few buddies around

[rose thorn]

They are basically tokens

[queen laurel]

yeah so does that make him like an elite

[rose thorn]

They don’t do anything

Well

They are his abilities

But still

And in warcry his crit does 10 damage

That is the highest unmodified crit damage done by a non monster

[queen laurel]

Damn

So his entire play style is just like throwing himself at the enemy and then crushing their head

[rose thorn]

That’s the funny part

[queen laurel]

and he has like his friends to help

[rose thorn]

His abilities are so

Good

They are all aoe debuffs

You spam aoe denial and if someone gets close you wreck their shit

He can hold an objective by him self you use his abilities correctly

[queen laurel]

Lmao he sounds like people who play him Bring kragnos on low point games

[rose thorn]

That’s for warcry

[queen laurel]

i'm guessing these guy's playstyle is to shrug off damage and get close to you and crush your head in

[rose thorn]

For AOS he has a 4+ armor save (which can be unmodifiable), a 5+ ward, a -1 to hit AND a control score of 2

And a shite roll that should never be used

And 8 HEALTH

In AOS

AND

A D3 HEAL

If he wasn’t legends he would rule comp gloomspite with an iron first

[queen laurel]

ok does Mollog get competitively banned or has a weakness because like he sounds broken as hell

[rose thorn]

And if he wasn’t 210 points

[rose thorn]

His point cost is pretty bad

And he doenst get relics or warlord traits

[queen laurel]

in underworlds?

[rose thorn]

In AOS

Underworlds I have no clue his new rules

[queen laurel]

hmm

god i'm gonna be honest he sounds like a nightmare to fight

[rose thorn]

Dankhold troggoth is just, better then mollog for 20 more points

But if for any reason ever he gets a point decrease

He would be insane

I think like

190 would be good

Even then

[queen laurel]

ok Morgok Krushaz have rules in AOS or only underworlds?

[rose thorn]

Oh let me check AOS snd warcry

In AOS they are just a monster hunter unit

Which is okay because this is a center piece edition

[queen laurel]

ok so bring them when i'm fighting like lizardmen

[rose thorn]

And iron jaws are BADDD this edition because they ahve a universal 4+ to bit

[rose thorn]

My bad I misread their rules

They get a permanent buff if they kill a monster

[queen laurel]

that is unfortunate but i don't play the game so what can i do

[rose thorn]

3 4+ 3+ 12 isn’t bad

[rose thorn]

All orruks are bad this edition it ain’t just

But it’s not as bad as early 10yh

Th+

[queen laurel]

What about the rest of the destruction factions?

the Gargants you don't have to answer because they are noob stompers

[rose thorn]

Ogors and gitz are meta

Like always

[rose thorn]

They are terrible lol

But that’s a good thing

Gargant players don’t wanna be good

They wanna role play

[queen laurel]

yeah like they are basically the imperial knights of AOS you can use them on people with less experience but experienced players will cave in your head like a tomato

they are giant slow moving targets that need to get into melee

[rose thorn]

Also their ‘spear head’ is the worst in the game

[rose thorn]

Their best units have insane ranged damage tbh

[queen laurel]

yeah but like how consistently good are they at hitting that

Their main damage is going into the enemy BLOB and then smashing them aside like a *** **** pinata

[rose thorn]

It’s better then orruks lol

3+ to hit

1 3+ 2+ 3 4

[queen laurel]

better than Krulboyz bolt boyz and killbow?

[rose thorn]

Yea

[queen laurel]

Damn

[rose thorn]

Kill now has a 3+ profile for 1 less attack

And +1 to remd

Which is

But also both have a +1 to hit if they don’t move

So it’s fine

🦾 morkagorka bless the worst faction in the game

I love kruleboyz we are so terrible

[queen laurel]

You're telling me this thing has from what I'm understanding trash armor piercing damage

And a giant throwing a boulder is better than this guy

at like consistency and damage

[rose thorn]

Armor rend just isn’t as important especially for the krulebohz

Beats skewa has a rend 2, and d6 damage unless less the target is a monster then it’s 6

So it’s a 2 3 2 2 (+1 if monster) d6 profile if you don’t move

So on average you are doing like

2 damage?

1?

[queen laurel]

damn that sounds

bad

[rose thorn]

If the target is monster then it’s like 4 or 5 damage

Of course in practice the killbow is much better

The big grikks kruleshotz are amazing lamp

Lmao

I wish ever army had an equivalent

That regiment can take down a monster in like

A turn or two

By it self

[queen laurel]

it's still funny to me that a giant monster throwing a Boulder is a better shot

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeha

[rose thorn]

Also in warcry the mogoks get to murder monsters easier

It’s a triple

You get a bonus attack against monsters

[queen laurel]

aight so their playstyle is just tanking the enemy's damage then crushing them in melee range

[rose thorn]

Morgok is just a better brute boss tbh

[queen laurel]

aight got it

[rose thorn]

With a side grade brute and a cheaper weird brute

[queen laurel]

how were they faring in the meta

[rose thorn]

I see him allied sometimes but I don’t think they are that great unless you are 100% fighting a monster, even then I feel like the monster hunter abilities are just better than an extra attacks

But honestly if you need a brute boss for any reason he’s A good ally

And you have 20 points to spare somehow

I can see him in like, kruleboyz or gloomspite i

Kruleboyz LOVE LOVE LOVE Allies

[queen laurel]

What about this guy same case a mollog where he's just alone doing his own thing?

[queen laurel]

aye mags a got a list of Underworld Novels?

[rose thorn]

Yea lol

[rose thorn]

BeastGrave is good

I think the rest are short stories

[queen laurel]

yeah i also got Direchasm because it features Morgok

[rose thorn]

Never read forecast

Firecas

Direchasm

[queen laurel]

what

is it bad?

[opaque coyote]

By superfeyn

The Excel spreadsheets call for guilliman

He can never escape

[rocky gale]

Hmm

Damn Dread Pagent instead of Thricefold Discord

[opaque coyote]

That looks cool

I assume this is Warhammer Fantasy

What faction

Slaanesh?

I don't know as much about WHF

As WH40K

[celest dome]

AoS, hedonite of Slaanesh

[rose thorn]

Nah I forgot it existed lol

[rose thorn]

Age of sigmar!

[rose thorn]

All of the warbands will have rules still luckily, and alot of old warbands will be getting updates. (Plus I doubt some warbands won’t end up on WD health)

[opaque coyote]

Damn they actually look cool as well

[celest dome]

Most Chaos factions in AoS really look great

Tzeentch is the loser in my opinion

[vast crystal]

Me when the slannesh cultists don't look like blow up dolls (it's fucking peak)

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of my Daemon Possessed Slaaneshi cultist

To look like

A flapper

Like wearing a flapper dress

Made out of human skin probably

[vast crystal]

You should do that actually

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

I was thinking of ironically having the Daemon and Host actually be amicable towards each other

Basically they're such horrible people

That they somehow bonded over it

The only thing they don't agree on

Is that ironically

The Host is completely Ace

Not even literally being possessed will change that

They just don't like sex at all

[keen nova]

Are there any loyalist word bearers? I know it's rumored that red scorpions or Exorcist might use word bearers gene seed but I don't know enough to be sure. I just figured they would be like another set of crusade times that could also make beautiful buildings or something....what was their unique gimmick again?

[outer wave]

Death Watch might have a few, considering they basically take all, including those that feel they have shamed their original chapter

[keen nova]

I like their orthodox art, and the fact that they can be a main threat all on their own. Even had the highest rate of compliances at one point right? Gotta be pretty effective.

[outer wave]

But yeah other than that, I wouldnt know of any other subchapter that consists of loyalist WB

[keen nova]

Black shields yeah?

[outer wave]

Yeah

IIRC its basically the perfect chapter for anyone to join because your identity is covered up

So you dont know who you work with and they wont either

Its perfect for any sort of loyalist of a traitor chapter wanting to redeem themselves without getting fragged by fellow black shields

[small grail]

feel kinda bad for rynalor

[storm jungle]

Brainwashing the masses through religion is a pretty good tactic

[keen nova]

I've heard that planets taken by the word bearers were so devoted that they never needed to be reconquered

[storm jungle]

Well yeah thats what good religious brainwashing does

the problem is they were too slow

[jade holly]

Be like the Orthodox Christians, they moved west surprisingly fast

[outer wave]

You know, I wonder if the Emperor just owned up and went "Yeah Im actually a god" instead of denouncing the WB's thing if they would have stayed loyal

[storm jungle]

they absolutely would have

they were literally just diet black templars lol

[outer wave]

HE COULD HAVE KEPT EVERYTHING TOGETHER

[storm jungle]

the entire razing of Monarchia is peak goof

[jade holly]

Ironically his humility was his downfall

his desire to not be seen as a god

Was what led him to the empire that now sees him as a god

Talk about a Greek Prophecy come true

[storm jungle]

I mean

[spring cairn]

I am not a god said the giant in golden power armour and bathed in perpetual light

[storm jungle]

I love

how they tried to explain that

[celest dome]

Fall more to skill issue than humility

[storm jungle]

in the last fucking Siege books

"HE HAD TO appear as a god so people would follow him even tho he wasnt one"

okay malcador

i can see the notes the writers passed you

[spring cairn]

it would've been 10 times better if he just owed up to it and was like

yeah im god

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just braindead.

then again its 30k

[jade holly]

Big E not understanding why a muscular, large, Well kept man of Turkish origin in giant gleaming golden armor could be seen as a godly figure

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-man-gif-14733745593859528159

[jade holly]

I still cannot get over how one of the best strategies to push a religion in an area is to depict the figurehead of being of that people

Have you seen how many depictions of Jesus have him be from all over?

Even seen Mongolian Jesus?

[outer wave]

The Emperor, trying to hype himself up before he begins reunifying all of Terra by taking out the Cyber Barbarians

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

the reality is humans are stupid

if jesus didnt exist we'd prob worship a fucking rock or something

its more or less a coping mechanism

[outer wave]

Honestly there's nothing wrong with the coping mechanism, since sometimes these religions can actually give you something to think about and how you treat another person

[jade holly]

Funny thing…

[spring cairn]

I'd rather have ppl worship a human figure rather than Abluct'Umak the double serpent headed god or some other shit

[jade holly]

I’ve always seen it as Religion is a personally journey of self reflection

[storm jungle]

As long as its metal i dont mind it too much

[celest dome]

Abluct'Umak is a better god than you'll ever be

[storm jungle]

its why hindu mythology is super cool

[jade holly]

Finding out your morals and whatnot

[outer wave]

Okay but Abluct'Umak the Double Serpent headed God goes kinda hard

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^

[jade holly]

May I introduce you to Cu Chulainn

[storm jungle]

Exactly

[celest dome]

All hail Abluct'Umak

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

Humanity goes harder

i spit on da gods

[jade holly]

a Scottish Hulk who turns inside out when he goes angry

[outer wave]

Could you imagine if we worshiped the demons from The Goetia?

[storm jungle]

Im not a big fan of religion but yeah i get it. Im just a bit of a hater.

[outer wave]

That would kinda go hard

[celest dome]

Honestly, never really like that story

[jade holly]

Then how about the giga chad Atlas

[outer wave]

I grew up Catholic/Christian so I have my biases, but I understand why people are cynical about religions as a whole

[jade holly]

I grew up non denominational

[outer wave]

I honestly find their mythologies so fascinating and fun to read

[jade holly]

basically my life as a Christian amounted to:
go to church
Have lesson on story from Bible
Ponder the message behind the story
Learn how to apply said message in everyday life
Go home

[spring cairn]

If god is real

fuck that guy

that's my take

[outer wave]

We were (are?) pretty casual, as I would seldom go to church except for a monthly church thing at school and rarely Sundays, but I tried to keep to certain teachings in mind

[jade holly]

What I like about Christianity is how malleable it is in terms of beliefs

If you want to

[outer wave]

Im nowadays not that religious but I wouldnt consider myself atheist

[jade holly]

You can see the Bible as purely metaphorical

[outer wave]

Absolutely, its cool

Unfortunately its also used in a way to justify awful things

[jade holly]

Also I’m sick and tired of the Christianity ain’t metal allegations. The Bible has some metal shit in it

[outer wave]

But many holy books are used in that way

[jade holly]

Need I mention all of Revelation?

[outer wave]

The entire town of Sodom being turned to salt?

[rocky gale]

AoS does Slaanesh so much better

[jade holly]

Now to tie it back into 40k, the Horus Heresy is literally Revelation

[outer wave]

The mythos that was created around angels and devils?

All of that is metal

[rocky gale]

Like these models are just peak

[jade holly]

Two massive armies fighting it out that essentially spells the end of the Imperium as they knew it, beginning the new path that it goes on

[jade holly]

They’re evolving into crab

I fucking knew it

[lapis verge]

Like that one time Elisha called upon a bear to maul 2 kids making fun of his bald head

Or Elijah never dying cause Heaven sent him an Uber chariot

[jade holly]

Or that one king that was eaten alive from the inside by bugs

[storm jungle]

AOS slaanesh is PEAK

I love how the designers just went

"You remember Xerxes from the 300 movie?"

"Yes?"

"Lets just make an army of him"

[lapis verge]

Hol up I do not remember this happening

Who was it lmao

[spring cairn]

King Glup shitto

[outer wave]

Gigathicc Daemonette Xerxes

[lapis verge]

Drip unto Victory

[jade holly]

King Herod I think?

[outer wave]

BBW/M Daemonette Xerxes

[jade holly]

Oh no it’s worse

He was eaten not by bugs

But worms

[lapis verge]

Nahhh he didn't get eaten alive, he was dead when the maggots got to him

Blud got too big head and got slapped by an Angel

[arctic talon]

Gluttos’s mini is peak

Tbh

[storm jungle]

I love it

its a good example of the hedonites' vibes too

[lapis verge]

Funny how God likes to feed some animals while punishing ye evil peoples

For Izebel it was dogs

For Herod it was maggots

For those two dipshit kids it was a bear

[spring cairn]

sadly it seems DEI had a part in designing those minis as they do not give me a semi

[arctic talon]

💀

[jade holly]

Protect God’s creation or become the meat that feeds it

[lapis verge]

smth smth Circle of Life

hakuna matata and the like 'innit

[jade holly]

Protect the Imperium of man or become the Corpse Starch that gives the guardsman the energy to die 5 hours later

[dusk patrol]

And that guardsmen becomes the corpse starch for the next one. Infinite energy hack.

[lapis verge]

There can be no greater purpose for a fallen Guardsman than to feed 10 of his comrades in death all so we can mayne inconvenience a Eldar sharpshooter or smth I guess

I dunno, I don't read Eldar lore

[jade holly]

Circle of life

[keen nova]

You mean how Man is a spiritual being an all right? You aren't entirely off I'd say.

"Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes, or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison."- C.S. Lewis

[storm jungle]

Not really but if thats how you wanna interpret it sure i guess

[keen nova]

God's army having a civil war as his brightest son turns them against each other? God ultimately sacrificing himself for humanity?

[rose thorn]

Holy shit I just thought of how to rework my chapter

What’s the like

Gulliman’s historians called again?

Is it Logo Historica?

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/5hAHqSwWREk?si=dc4Qcif7de1xPYo5

[rose thorn]

Or was it remembrancers

[rose thorn]

Fun fact! Back in 9th You could technically field any space marine HQ as Alpharius!

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think he had a rule that basically

[rose thorn]

The warlord trait I am Alpharius let you make your hero immortal and reappears as any space marine

[opaque coyote]

He could "disguise" himself as any SM

Upon taking fire, due to tabletop rules, you must reveal that the player has shot the squad that Alpharius is part of

Also apparently, although normally Primarchs cannot fit into rhinos and other 10 man transports due to their size

Disguised Alpharius can

But only while disguised

[opaque coyote]

But plot twist!

Alpharius isn't here

No

It was actually Omegon all along

Seriously I find it funny that (most likely) Omegon is the only one still alive. And we have

No idea what he's doing lol

Like for all we know, he could just be on an island smoking weed

[jade holly]

It’d be even more hilarious if neither of them are actually dead and Girly Man killed someone that Alpharius made look like himself

[storm jungle]

We do know one is dead-dead.

since Sanguinius sees his soul in the warp

[rose thorn]

whats gulliman's historians called again i forgor

googel gave me liek 3 answers

[storm jungle]

Remembrancers?

or do you mean hte modern ones

[rose thorn]

is there a difference?

[storm jungle]

Yeah remembrancers are from 30k

[rose thorn]

oh okay yeah the 40k ones

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Logos_Historica_Verita

Here it is

[rose thorn]

oh okay thanks

my idea is, instead of the ordo astar

my chapter (adn inquisitor and rogue trader) work for them

(inquisitor? i thought they had a speical name)

Histortirors?

Historicus

thats the word

thanks gw i hate you

mwah

[dusk patrol]

Also Omegon literally has a pov shot of him feeling his brother die and him being alone.

[storm jungle]

Theres a few variants but yeah thats accurate

not exactly the weirdest reason a Marine chapter was created so lol

[rose thorn]

anyway the idea is a chapter that works to protect members of the Logos Historica Verita

their from a home planet that is a gaint musuem of the imperiums greatest heroes

[dusk patrol]

Marines-Historitor

[rose thorn]

amazing name holy shit

[dusk patrol]

Find a book symbol for the icon

[storm jungle]

make sure it doesnt align too much with tome-keepers

[rose thorn]

cant, look too much liek tomb keeprs

[rose thorn]

ye

im taking an idea you did

[dusk patrol]

Make up some dogshit lore about how they’re secret word bearer successors

[rose thorn]

you suggested

[storm jungle]

LOL jinx

[rose thorn]

HAHAHGHBS

[dusk patrol]

Don’t actually do that

[storm jungle]

also yeah dont do it lol

[rose thorn]

they basically see the named characters of the imperiums as basically demi gods

since before being space marines they were historians, historian surfers, or janitors

or idk

something fucked up

[dusk patrol]

Just pick the funniest one like Iron Hands or White Scars so people go “Bu but but they could be Thousand Sons or Word Bearers or at least Imperial Fists!”

[rose thorn]

lmao, ultra marines would make the most sense, since they directly serve a branch of gulliman

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t really matter much tbh

Some make more sense but he assigned chapters of all legions to specific roles

[rose thorn]

when they go onto battlefields they record everything they see but dont try to engage unless told otherwise

and then idk after the battle they have to write a book essay about the battle

[dusk patrol]

Partially to appear unbiased too I should add since that was obviously a concern

[rose thorn]

lmao fair

tome keepers are my greatest enemy irl i swear

maybe the Marines-Historitor also body guard named imperium characters like, obsessively

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I wouldn’t get too worried, lots of chapters have similar symbols

And ideas

[rose thorn]

to even safe guard a mortal is an extremely high honor among them

[dusk patrol]

Just change it a bit and make them distinct in your own way

[rose thorn]

yeah but also this is a good excuse to run named space marines and named agents of the imperium

'yeah the Marines-Historitor have been given the honor to safeguard what ever character i feel like for a diplomatic mission.'

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s a fun concept

Reminds me of the Red Hunters a bit

[rose thorn]

ye

shame gw killed them

for some fucking reason

[languid meadow]

can't have shit in 42M

[rose thorn]

HASHGFHASF

[dusk patrol]

They’re not dead?

Some have died but they’re still around

[arctic talon]

The red hunters are still around

Iirc

[rose thorn]

oh i thought they were wiped out in the battle of uh

red hunt?

[dusk patrol]

[rose thorn]

oh never mind the still kicking

[dusk patrol]

The ones assigned to the Lamenter fleet got killed but yeah they’re still around

[rose thorn]

oh okay

wierd they havent painted up a primaris one for a WD or something yet

i imagine these guys woudl be popular among boot lickers

/loving

[dusk patrol]

They’re a fairly niche chapter

[rose thorn]

yeah but the inquisition gets hyped up alot

[rose thorn]

'my space marines can be like, THE inquisition chapter??!'

[rose thorn]

nice try thats a first born stil

[dusk patrol]

I see them a fair amount in Deathwatch squads and stuff

[rose thorn]

oh yeah true

[jade holly]

Is there a chapter at all that fights purely with sword and shield, upholding the chivalry of old?

[dusk patrol]

That model came out like eight years after the primaris were released

[jade holly]

Did I just describe the Dark Angels?

[dusk patrol]

Not purely

But there’s a lot who do

[rose thorn]

really? damn legends got his ass

[dusk patrol]

Storm Wardens, Silver Templars, Dark Angels

Imperial Fists

Sword and board is a fairly common deal

[jade holly]

I might do my own sub chapter of Salamanders that fight in the name of protecting the innocent wholly. Pure sword and shield bearers who specialize in different sword forms

Unless I just ripped that from something

[dusk patrol]

Possibly every homebrew ever

[jade holly]

Damn

So scratch that idea

[rose thorn]

ilu bud, imma be honest, you are liekly gonna get real sick of them real quick

[dusk patrol]

I would resist making them like

[jade holly]

too pure?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Focus on flaws

And what makes them why they are

[rose thorn]

ye

[jade holly]

how about I do the Black Templars but they get near heretical level of pleasure from slaughtering people

[dusk patrol]

The sword focus thing is fine though

[rose thorn]

whats your favorite military in history

[arctic talon]

The dark angels are like, the evil parts of knights lol

Mostly

[jade holly]

Good question

Hmmm

[languid meadow]

game has been around since the 80s so don't let what other people make discourage you (but also yes Eternal is correct flaws make the factions fun)

[rose thorn]

if you liek miltiaries

if not

then uh

whats your favorite thing

[dusk patrol]

Also yes what other people have done shouldn’t hold you back

There’s no original ideas

[arctic talon]

The world is your oyster

Or something

[dusk patrol]

Just some homebrew stuff is like

[rose thorn]

remember, blue black templars arent black templars

[jade holly]

There is one I want to do but that’s tip toeing the line too close to you know what

[dusk patrol]

Jsut don’t make them like “my guys are super nice and dope and work with the guard and have their own auxiliaries and are psykers” and so on you know

[jade holly]

Yeah it’s 40k

Gotta be fucked up

no ifs ands or buts

[dusk patrol]

It helps a lot to make stuff interesting

[rose thorn]

you can like waht ever, its fien, just recognize that there is no 'good' in 40k just varying ranges of bad

'what kind of bad are you?'

'fbi bad, medieval europe bad, ussr bad, samurai bad'

[jade holly]

Fuck it, sub chapter of Iron Hands who replace their arms entirely with cannons and essentially are mobile war tanks

replace legs with treads and their arms with guns and cannons

[rose thorn]

thats admech

[jade holly]

FUCK

[arctic talon]

That’s just a kataphron servitor

[rose thorn]

whats your favorite animal

whats your favorite weapon

[jade holly]

Prob either a Bear or… a bear

[rose thorn]

what kind of bear

[jade holly]

Fuck you, Polar Bear

[rose thorn]

ice, whats your favorite weapon

and whats your favoirte asthetic

[languid meadow]

a space wolf successor chapter with a polar bear theme goes kind of hard ngl

[jade holly]

Melee wise a warhammer with maybe a big old shield, gun wise a double barrel or minigun

no wait, a Claymore

[rose thorn]

bear knights

[jade holly]

Damn can’t believe I’m one of the furries now

[rose thorn]

form a planet of kingdoms and monarchs

that is stuck in an eternal winter

your chapter was made for some cause, and now is trying to find a way to save their planet while holding their ancient code of honor

or osmehting like that

they liek swords, dont restrict them to swords

[jade holly]

There is one thing I like above all else but I doubt it could work for a chapter

[rose thorn]

you watn a reason to use any space marine model

[rose thorn]

and?

what is it

[jade holly]

Cowboys

yee haw

[rose thorn]

why wouldnt that work

combine polar bears and cowboys

[jade holly]

Wait

Fuck me, lmao

[rose thorn]

mayeb their planet was a frozen tundra, but after a strange incident it became a desert

[jade holly]

Space marine cowboy

[rose thorn]

LETS GO PALADINS REFERENCE

[rose thorn]

maybe they are expert treasure hunters

[jade holly]

It may look like a PS2 game but that game was the shit

[dusk patrol]

I have always liked the idea of a kinda gambler, gunslinger chapter

[rose thorn]

giving overwatch perks and deck building is amazing

[jade holly]

You’d think slowly becoming an Admech enjoyer I would be noticed that

[jade holly]

Unfortunately, Hirez made it

[dusk patrol]

But the hat idk how you would make it work

[rose thorn]

yea

but guess who has a the old 'unlock every hero'

this btich

[jade holly]

If the Inquisitors can rock this

[rose thorn]

my account got grandfathered

[jade holly]

The Space Marines can rock a hat

[jade holly]

Same

[rose thorn]

[rose thorn]

just make them cowboys that like polar bears, or just cowboys, or something idk

[jade holly]

Alright new lore, an unrecognized war band of Space Marines from every chapter left stranded on a backwater planet. They have resorted to forming an outlaw gang to replenish supplies to find a way off the planet and wage war against both chaos and the Imperium

[rose thorn]

i suggest goign agaisnt a renegade chapter, its alot harder to write

but im not your mom

[jade holly]

Then how about mercenaries who’ll fight for anyone if the pay is good enough

[rose thorn]

meh still renegade

[jade holly]

or is that still renegade

ah well

[rose thorn]

give them a specific purpose

[jade holly]

Hmmm

[rose thorn]

they could like desert combat, they could hunt treasures, mayeb they are good at enforcing marshel law

[jade holly]

I guess I should start off with what they hate

[rose thorn]

they go into combat to rally the citizens

mayeb they are cowboys in a tundra planet

and ride polar bears

god i hate space wolves

[jade holly]

How about I go simpler

[rose thorn]

ye you can

[jade holly]

A sub chapter of both Iron Warriors and Iron Hands

so purely machine based

With cowboy inspirations

or just one of the two

[rose thorn]

justgo iron hands

its gonna save you a headache

[jade holly]

true

[rose thorn]

cyborg cowboys is baller

[jade holly]

I do like the idea of chaos and loyalist joining together under dire circumstances tho

[dusk patrol]

I had an idea of a predominantly Iron Warrior and Iron Hand Blackshield warband during the heresy called the Ironforged

[rose thorn]

save that for horde mode and coop mode

[dusk patrol]

Or Reforged couldn’t decide which

Ironborn is taken sadly

[rose thorn]

steelborn

[jade holly]

This Subchapter will be called the Iron Mavericks

[rose thorn]

[jade holly]

Get it? Maverick

[rose thorn]

thats perfect

[jade holly]

They ride on machines designed to look like horses

Wielding Stub Cannons

They work on the edges of the Imperium, Real big assholes

But still loyal to the Empire

Essentially Outlaws given amnesty for their crimes

As long as they’re loyal

[rose thorn]

f you dont want themt o be evil they dont have to

but if you want them to then ball

[jade holly]

They’re not “evil”

Just really big dickheads

More than usual for Iron Hands

[rose thorn]

they could enforce imperial laws on the edges of the imperium

trying to stop the countless illegal operations on the end

of the milkyway

[jade holly]

I could name a special code they follow the Steel Vengeance

No do not look up what that name references

I’ll look like an idiot

[languid meadow]

Dickheads²

[jade holly]

It’s a rollercoaster in Cedar Point

[rose thorn]

thinking what you said, they could be a white scars sucessor, and specalize in saving artifacts form active warzones and body guarding the logo historica

they ride into battle zones, save the garbage, ride out

i lvoe white scars

guh

[jade holly]

Thankfully Paladins already has the perfect base design of an Iron Maverick

[rose thorn]

and raven guard

[rose thorn]

fr

[jade holly]

Perturabo if he was into Clint Eastwood

So to put my tangents together:
A sub chapter of the Iron Hands shaped by working on the outer fringes of the Empire to stave away chaos. They’re hardened outlaw types making sure nothing breaks into their territory. They ride around on machine horses wielding dual Stub Cannons.

And they are called the Iron Mavericks

[rose thorn]

okay so ill lay 3 main identity sum ups

Marines-Historitor
Body guards of the Logo Historica who search for ancient artifacts in active battle fields
Body guards of the Logo Historica who believe the heroes of the imperium are demi gods
Body guards of the Logo Historica who safe guard ancient archives, libraries, and museums from invasions

which nut hsell is better

or which concepts i guess

[jade holly]

I like the idea of massive hulking men in power armor being absolute fucking nerds protecting dusty old books

Erm Ackchually, the Imperium only has 18 main chapters of Space Marines, two of them were placeholders for fans to put their own chapters. One for Loyalist and one for chaos

[rose thorn]

btw thats not true

its just a rome reference

also the word is legions

[jade holly]

You fool

You fell for my trap

I specifically said wrong info for you to correct it

You have become your own creation

[rose thorn]

lmao

tbh creating a custom legion is the biggest warhammer noob move possible

[jade holly]

Which is why sub chapters are cooler

[rose thorn]

yes

[jade holly]

an entirely new legion is boring

[rose thorn]

chapter masters and first captiasn are much cooler than primarchs

[jade holly]

Unless ofc you count my True Custodians

The masters of janitorial cleanliness in any battlefield

[rose thorn]

burn

[rose thorn]

Marines-Historitor
Body guards of the Logo Historica who safe guard ancient archives, libraries, and museums from invasions

bam perfect

[opaque coyote]

💀💀💀💀

https://tenor.com/view/my-name-is-skyler-white-yo-emilseljeseth-skyler-white-tik-tok-gif-26746235

[rose thorn]

now i just need to write my historicus and the rogue traders

pfff

hey chat is there a symbol for the Logos Historica Verita

[storm jungle]

Uhhh I dont think so?

[rose thorn]

weird

[storm jungle]

Im trying to remember but most of the Dawn of Fire books just fly past me 💀

[rose thorn]

they werent in that book

i think

none of these characters have art damn

[opaque coyote]

There is one Inquistor Ordos I find the funniest

And it's the fucking Istvaanists

They look at the galaxy

Filled with suffering

The Imperium is constantly fighting against several different enemies as once

Tyranids, Orks, Chaos, Necrons

Hell even Tau and Eldar

They look at all of that and think

"Hmm you know what we don't have enough of? War."

"We need more war."

Basically they believe that humanity can only progress through strife

So they often start wars

And fund both sides

[storm jungle]

My favorite is the one that brought like 40 kroot to a inquisitorial conclave

and they called him a heretic so him and his kroot group killed everyone to escape

lol

[languid meadow]

I love kroot so much, I love how they're down for anything

"just happy to be here boss"

[arctic talon]

No they killed the people who called him a heretic which everyone was okay with but when the kroot started having a snack that was too much

Which is even funnier

No one cared about the murder lol

[storm jungle]

No it was literally that

i remember that excerpt really well

they had a mission impossible escape sequence with like 40 fucking kroot it was wild

i used it as an example of people saying "40k lore isnt goofy"

FOUND IT

Okay so we were both semi-right lol

He still had to fucking fight his way out apparently

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

they literally went "sorry homie we cant help you"

[opaque coyote]

gasp "Cannibalism?!? Those filthy Xenos truly are debased. Nothing is past them!"

meanwhile

"Hey Brother, you want to eat this guy's brain to get some info?"

[dusky scroll]

Do Tyranids sometimes avoid/ignore when genestealer cult becomes overly mutated or something? (I heard something like that but not sure if I understood it)

[jade holly]

More like, “Ayo pass the corpse starch”

[storm jungle]

Yes they do that is from the new Necromunda lore.

But remember this is a RARE case.

[dusky scroll]

What makes the tyranids avoid them?

[languid meadow]

necromunda is so shit that nids wont touch it

[jade holly]

Can’t steal the genes of that which has no genes

[storm jungle]

They are simply too mutated.

[arctic talon]

Their dna is absurdly mutated

A Archmagos biologis had the bright idea

[jade holly]

Oh wait necromunda not Necrons

[arctic talon]

Of trying to “cure”

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

Yeah we are talking like... almost 50+ generations of radiation mutation

[arctic talon]

The genestealers

Along with

A fuck ton of radiation

And chemical waste

[storm jungle]

yeah even in normal cults like

abnormally mutated members just get thrown into closets until the uprising nears

lol

[arctic talon]

Ngl the genestealer cult members upgrade sprue for the malatrain

Are not nearly mutated enough

They look normal

[jade holly]

Isn’t that part of tbe point?

[arctic talon]

No

[jade holly]

to be essentially sleeper agents?

[arctic talon]

The malstrain ones

[jade holly]

Oh

[arctic talon]

Are fucked up genetically

[storm jungle]

^

again

50+ generations of radiation mutation

lol

[arctic talon]

https://mrmuffinstrains.com/cdn/shop/files/99120599066_NMMalstrainGenestealerAbominationGang01.jpg?v=1724166296

[storm jungle]

They are essentially their own thing now

[arctic talon]

They also made a fleshy replica of the Archmagos biologis

Who tried to cure them

[languid meadow]

honestly some of the coolest minis to come out recently

[storm jungle]

Necromunda minis never fail

[arctic talon]

You can’t really cure being a genestealer

[storm jungle]

when they cook THEY COOK

[arctic talon]

Ngl I hate the great value brute chopper

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Goliath can never get a win

[arctic talon]

Goliath is my least favorite gang

[storm jungle]

You and everyones

[arctic talon]

Lore wise, mini wise and play style wise

[storm jungle]

i think they do their job well of like

[arctic talon]

All L’s

[storm jungle]

Generic Industrial muscle-gang

their lack of aesthetic doesnt help either

[arctic talon]

They’re expert smiths

[dusky scroll]

So that hive city that is fully controlled by genestealers in Necromunda will perpetually remain in their control?

[arctic talon]

All of them are in tshirts

[storm jungle]

its not a hive city

its a giant rad-pit

[arctic talon]

It’s a giant ruin

But maybe

House Van Saar are trying to uh

Remove the problem

[storm jungle]

But also yeah it remains in their control for now. The rulebook goes to say that it isnt even know if theres actually a patriarch genestealer at control or its just their own small psychic hivemind

atm they are attempting to spread beyond the hivepit

[storm jungle]

and generally succeeding since they have crossed the stormwall in some areas during the uprising against the Helmawrs

what comes out of that we havent seen yet

[arctic talon]

A bunch of gangers and noble children go into a hive ruin

[jade holly]

My dumbass read the top left as “Warhammer Communists”

💀

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

I mean

not wrong

[jade holly]

Was gonna say, damn communists be looking different in the 41st millennia

[arctic talon]

But yeah hive secundus is facing incursions

By Van Saar and Spryres

Instead of hunting poor people

[jade holly]

What’s the main planet the missions all take place on? Atoma?

Or do we go to multiple

[arctic talon]

They’re hunting giant mutant abominations now

[storm jungle]

Atoma Prime yes

we are only in Hive Tertium rn

[arctic talon]

Atoma prime exclusively

[jade holly]

So Hive Tertium is a city not a world

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Atoma is the world

Tertium is the hive city we ar ein

[jade holly]

Ok, was confused about that

While I’m on this topic

Swagger

[arctic talon]

@storm jungle you know the high factorum in rogue trader who hunted voidborn right

[jade holly]

That man’s got something going on

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

[arctic talon]

In the dlc it’s funny when the

||uprising happens||

And he says hunting armed targets is more fun

[jade holly]

I love clicking black boxes then reading something I don’t understand

[arctic talon]

Then poor people without guns or armor lol

[storm jungle]

Im glad we dont have such rich sychophants IRL

[arctic talon]

Ngl

He’s got more of a heart then most billionaires

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

He at least cares about orphans

[storm jungle]

I mean i guess

for propaganda material anyway

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Have you done the uh

Confession thing with him

[jade holly]

No one beats the Tau in propaganda

[arctic talon]

He actually does like orphans

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah I have he is great

[jade holly]

The Empire just skips that and brainwashes you

[storm jungle]

i just had to mak ethe joke

lol

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny

[storm jungle]

the Imperium does that too

and much more en-masse

[arctic talon]

I love imperial propaganda posters

Lol

[storm jungle]

"WORK HARDER AND DIE"

motivational af

[jade holly]

yeah but the Tau do it in a much more political propaganda way. The Empire is just religious about it

Working it into tenants

[storm jungle]

I mean kinda but not relaly

[arctic talon]

Nah

[storm jungle]

it depends from planet ot planet

[arctic talon]

There’s also normal propaganda flyers

There’s some official ones

That are pretty funny

[dusky scroll]

Do necromunda have PDF? Or is that role gets filled with the major gang houses?

[jade holly]

Yeah but let’s be honest here

[storm jungle]

they largely do it in a pretty nazi germany fashion, just with more catholism

[jade holly]

No one’s literate in the empire

[arctic talon]

They do have a pdf

They also have an imperial guard regiment

That’s pretty good at hive fighting

[storm jungle]

They got an Imperial Guard regiment named the Necromunda Spiders, but also PDF exist yes.

The House gangs are not their standing army.

[arctic talon]

For obvious reasons lol

The house gangs

Got absolutely fucked

[jade holly]

I read pdf like the actual computer pdf file

[arctic talon]

Trying to defend the hive from genestealers

[jade holly]

And not Planetary defense force

[arctic talon]

So they had to call in the PDF

Instead to deal with it

Turns out a bunch of gangers are not as effective as a semi professional army

Even if they’re conscripts

[dusky scroll]

What do gangs do then, other than squabbling over scavenged old tech junks found in underhive?

[storm jungle]

Gangs do what gangs do IRL. They fight over whatever they seem necessary/needed and defend their own profit-making centers which also belongs to the Houses they are a part of who they are underlings of.

Every House has a purpose for their gangers

[arctic talon]

The gangs are the muscle of the houses

The houses themselves are actual organizations and guilds

[storm jungle]

Yeah this, they are their main acting agents.

some Houses like Delaque arent even gangs, same with Van Saar, but thats semantics.

[arctic talon]

If a house gets serious they have actual professional “private” forces

[storm jungle]

also this yeah they got proper forces and nobility of their own in the upper/mid spires

[arctic talon]

But like

[storm jungle]

the ones we see are generally low ranking dudes

generally

[arctic talon]

Why do that when you can give a 16 year old a plasma gun, some flak armor

And tell them to go kill the peoples wearing yellow

In the factory

[scenic bolt]

EVERYONE LOVES GHAST

[storm jungle]

I love shooting lightning out of my eyes too

[arctic talon]

Lol

I think the funniest necromunda story is still

[dusky scroll]

I see.... I assume they do diplomacy with other houses too?

How do the government of necromunda interact and influence these gang activities?

[arctic talon]

An artificer guild getting their hands on the documents for corpuscarii electro priests

[jade holly]

Does Necromunda have nothing to do with Necrons?

[arctic talon]

And then shoving them into a dude

[storm jungle]

no

Necro is just there because it sounds cool

[arctic talon]

Nothing to do with it

[storm jungle]

same with necrons

[scenic bolt]

still cracks me up some junk science hive doc was able to create psychic ogryns with a lower washout rate than space marines

[jade holly]

You know what else is cool that isn’t a thing for some reason?

Space Marine cowboys

[storm jungle]

Thats dumb

like even dumber than most marine gimmicks

[jade holly]

I bet you look real stupid now

[storm jungle]

that looks terrible

[jade holly]

Not my fault it’s a Hirez game

[arctic talon]

The Clan Houses are smaller political groups in the grand scheme of things, they’re connected to noble houses which do most of the politics