40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Gonna talk about capeshit

So basically Harley and Joker's relationship either goes two ways

Either

A) Joker is the abuser

B) Harley is the abuser

But I think the only time where Joker and Harley genuinely like each other is the Lego Batman movie. It's also the only platonic Joker and Harley relationship

and honestly, I kinda wanna see a more serious interpretation of a Joker and Harley that genuinely love each other

If only because it would be a joy to see

[wintry scarab]

Shower thought: I wish on lower levels, our characters in darktide had mental breakdown voicelines. Feels like they are a bit too badass for the situations they are put in.

[frail tinsel]

Is this canon?

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because minus the zealots (who are just nuts) all of them are combat veterans to some point.

All the vets pretty much participated in some hellish conditions, Cadian goes without saying, Loose meanwhile has fought against Tau, CSM, Orks, etc.

All the Ogryns are also pretty hard-built, Bodyguard's intro alone has him saying he held a hill for days and all he got was a backhand for not doing it right. Brawler is just the classic "yes ill smash anything ya say sah" ogryn, and Bully is a complete unhinged maniac lol

Psykers are uhhh well one is already insane so Seer doesnt care, Loner has definitely seen some horrific shit, Savant uhhh pretty closed in and optimistic so they're prob the best candidate lol

[frail tinsel]

Aw man

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[jade holly]

So I’m running into roadblocks with making an Admech class concept, idk what the three main archetypes should be

[dense mortar]

Space Wolf Dreadnoughts seems to be extra spicy in the Dreadnough category.

[storm jungle]

Its really not

its just a regular dreadnaught

one just has a fucking werewolf in it for no reason lol

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being some random Tau that somehow beat it

You open the dreadnought to find a mutilated werewolf

[jade holly]

Could I make the class Skitarii but then have each archetype be something like ElectroPriest, Explorator and Enginseer?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I thought of a similar class

But it's a Gun Servitor

[jade holly]

If anything the Admech class would summon in a Gun Servitor

Not be one

[opaque coyote]

Hadron was so tired of Ogyrns unable to follow orders properly that she sent in a gun servitor to help

[jade holly]

I know for sure I want a Servo Skull blitz

Do Skitarii use Servo Skulls and Servitors?

[opaque coyote]

Servitors yeah

Not sure about Servo Skulls

Probably not since they're valuable

[jade holly]

Isn’t a servo skull just another Servitor?

[opaque coyote]

Nah

[viral halo]

Ladies and gentlemen I now have an imperial knight

[opaque coyote]

Basically each servo skull contains the skull of someone who is honored

So that they can serve after death

[jade holly]

Considering the amount of Psykers and Ogryns are running around

And how we survive BoN encounters

We can say the Skitarii uses a Servo Skull in a fight

[opaque coyote]

Umteue

*True

We use Plasma Guns

Thammers

And Bolters

We basically got really good shit

[jade holly]

Now what should the three main archetypes be?

[normal stream]

I'd generally consider the Legiones Skitarius as a different organization than the priesthood itself.

[jade holly]

Yeah that’s what I was assuming

[normal stream]

This is not always the case. There are plenty of servo skulls made from common-folk.

[jade holly]

Which now makes it harder to think up archetypes

[opaque coyote]

Ranger, Sagitarii, and Protector

Basically Rangers in lore are meant to be Hunter Killers

[jade holly]

What allows me to summon Gun Servitors and be a battle engineer

[opaque coyote]

Sagitarii are Heavy Weapons

And Protectors are those that guard Tech Priests

Actually maybe combine Sagitarii and Protector together

To make a Tank build of sorts

[jade holly]

A keystone that limits you to just a gun, but you can now wield heavy weapons

[opaque coyote]

Awesome

[jade holly]

Do Skitarii have Mechadendrites?

[normal stream]

I don't think Protectors ever showed up outside of the Heresy books?

[opaque coyote]

Literally everybody in the Mechanicus has mechandendrities

Yes

[jade holly]

Use that to be able to use heavy weapons

[opaque coyote]

Mechandendrites as a melee weapon would be cool in general

[wintry scarab]

Yeah. I was also thinking about how it could have been cool to have a rookie voice for the vet. But then i guess it couldnt really work because it would have been strange to have a "rookie" acting like a rookie while killing hordes like a pro.

[arctic talon]

Some do, generally speaking rank and file ones don't always

[arctic talon]

One shows up in the new book

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it would be funny to see

[wintry scarab]

Oh, and then the whole class is called vet as well lol so that doesnt really work lol

[jade holly]

So a heavy weapons defensive team tank

A long distance sniper

[dense mortar]

They got that Canis Helix in them. Makes them extra spicy.

[jade holly]

And a melee

does that work for Skitarii?

[opaque coyote]

Basically imagine the Veteran screaming and crying like a oandy

The battle starts

"OH EMPEROR I DON'T WANT TO DIE!"

[arctic talon]

Sniper, CQB gun, melee better imo

Skitarii vanguards like to get up close and personal with their carbines

[normal stream]

Y'all forgetting that any new class needs to fit a power fantasy that doesn't already exist with the existing classes

[jade holly]

As long as I get to summon servitors and Servo Skulls

[normal stream]

It's not just play dressup

[jade holly]

Skitarii battle engineer

[arctic talon]

None of the classes want to run at people with a gun/j

[jade holly]

[jade holly]

Then wtf is my Zealot doing

[normal stream]

Zealots do.

[arctic talon]

notice the /j

I'm joking

zealots absolutely do

lol

[normal stream]

I was gonna say lol

[jade holly]

/j for Jaghatai Khan

[normal stream]

They have a talent that adds ranged damage the closer they are

[opaque coyote]

Zealot moment

Ogyrn moment

Veteran with Command moment

[arctic talon]

I do not think you want to get close with kickback

lol

But yeah

[opaque coyote]

Actually the only one that doesn't is the Psyker

[arctic talon]

Zealot and ogryn def don't mind being close

Vet imo why use a gun with command

just fucking shank them with the best melee in the game

[opaque coyote]

Shovel

[normal stream]

disagree - SG

[jade holly]

So what could the archetypes be? Barring anything the other classes have

[arctic talon]

Tbh do a tech adept

not a skitarii

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah and also force swords

[arctic talon]

Skitarii have a lot of overlap with both Veteran and Zealot

thematically

[jade holly]

Is that part of priesthood?

[arctic talon]

Yes

just very very low down

[jade holly]

Ooo

[opaque coyote]

I guess a prerequisite to fight in the Imperium is to

[normal stream]

The main power fantasy we're missing is a pet/minion controller.

[opaque coyote]

Always be good at melee

[storm jungle]

"More Violent-er" Dreadnaughts are already a thing, its basically the same.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah a Mechanicus person would fit

[normal stream]

World Eaters dreadnought go brrrr

[jade holly]

And that fits perfectly with Admech

Servitors and Servo Skulls aplenty

[opaque coyote]

Also I think Mechandrites used as a melee would be funny

Imagine slapping people with Doc Ock arms

[storm jungle]

Darktide giving me more of a power fantasy than Space Marine 2 rn, these devs were cooking some Ratatouille shit

[jade holly]

I had the idea of a combat ability that let you dual wield using one

[arctic talon]

Mechadendrites can also just be used for

disecting people

[normal stream]

yep. My suspicion is we're going to see admech with pets - either one giant pet (combat servitor like a kataphron), multiple smaller pets (servo skull swarm?), and then a support option

[wintry scarab]

That reminds me of the animation with the boltpistol. In case some dont know, if you melee with the bolt pistol then shoot right after, you get an animation of jamming the boltpistol into the enemy and then pulling the trigger. Very cool animation.

[arctic talon]

lol

[normal stream]

Jesus don't even get me started on SM2 and their pea shooter bolters

[dense mortar]

Well but lets be honest. Space Wolves are widely accepted to be the strongest Chapter (past, present, and future) of Space Marines to ever exist, by a wide margin. So it would make sense for their Dreadnaughts to be unmanageably vicious.

[jade holly]

Servo Skull blitz, Gun-Servitor combat ability

[arctic talon]

Any form of battle servitor would be great

[normal stream]

Based take.

[arctic talon]

Gun servitors are lamer then battle servitors

[storm jungle]

Homies thinking Titus was gonna be some badass when a single knife zealot would probably smoke him 💀

[arctic talon]

Give me one with a fucking heavy bolter and a power claw lol

[opaque coyote]

"By the Omnissiah, do I have to do everything myself..?"

[normal stream]

"Widely accepted" is plenty untrue, lots of people would argue against that

[jade holly]

Anything bigger than an Oggy is a no go for maps

[arctic talon]

Gun servitors just have lame guns smh

[opaque coyote]

dual wields bolters

[arctic talon]

battle servitors have smaller versions

Kataphrons are on the bigger end

[normal stream]

My bolt pistol in Darktide has more oomph than the heavy bolter in SM2

[jade holly]

The Omnissiah blesses you, it is my task to send you to him

[storm jungle]

They uhhh really aren't. They are considered good but thats kind of it, they are mostly social outcasts and just stick to their guns and do their own thing, calling them the strongest chapter ever is absolutely crazy.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf in SM2 we are

[normal stream]

Thunder hammer in Darktide can DELET better than the thunder hammer in SM2

[opaque coyote]

Sphess marinez

And we're fighting relatively stronger enemies

Probably

[normal stream]

that somehow die to a couple of hormagaunt

[storm jungle]

A class so TRASH they had to acknowledge it in a dev note

😭

[jade holly]

So what all does the Tech Adept have access to?

[normal stream]

errr, ish?

A couple of hormagaunts is easy pickings for an ogryn

Your bolter should one shot a gaunt the same way your bolter in darktide oneshots a group of unarmored dudes

[opaque coyote]

To be honest it would be hard to make the Tyranids Lord Accurate

Because then it'd just be

[dense mortar]

Considering Leman Russ still lives and is WIDELY accepted to be the strongest Primarch (particularly in hand to hand combat), and infact will be the link that either A.) Brings the Emperor back to life or, B.) Assumes the throne himself. I think its VERY safe to say that SW's go hard in the paint.

[normal stream]

Their problem was making the 'nids become bullet sponges

[storm jungle]

SM2 takes so many wrong lore liberties with Nids because otherwise Titus and his team would be dead 10 times over.

[opaque coyote]

This

[storm jungle]

the fact that nids die when you kill synapse creatures is so fucking funny

[normal stream]

Hot take that many are going to disagree with.

[normal stream]

Somehow they take so many lore liberties with the gameplay but run into the lore lawyers at GW with.. cosmetics?!?!

That was weird to me

[arctic talon]

A lot of things lol

[jade holly]

Since when did Lemann Russ become the chosen one?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah don't they become feral instead?

Like they just attack randomly

[dense mortar]

The Emperor made it so.

[storm jungle]

Every single loyalist primarch is alive, Russ also being alive doesnt add much to his credibility considering how much of a fuckup he was in the Heresy, hes by nowhere the strongest primarch either.

[arctic talon]

Depends

[storm jungle]

like

[arctic talon]

The ones in game

[storm jungle]

you are literally spewing Space Wolf propaganda

[arctic talon]

are like a worsts case scenario

synaptic backlash lol

I.E

[jade holly]

Sanguinius

[arctic talon]

one that goes so badly the gaunts just die

[storm jungle]

and i say this as a person that likes the Wolves lol

[arctic talon]

other then that

Usually they just get stunned

or go feral

[outer wave]

I think its based on tabletop rules, which IIRC deals like 1 mortal wound or some shit to everything with 6 inches

[arctic talon]

depends really

[storm jungle]

hes basically always been dead so he doesnt really count

[normal stream]

He's still running around somewhere in the warp, unlike G-man and Lion, too.

[jade holly]

How tf do you kill a corpse

[opaque coyote]

Yeah ig it's just easier to say

"they all died"

[storm jungle]

I meant as in his entire character is to die lol

he has nothing else going for him

[opaque coyote]

Necrons be like

[storm jungle]

That doesnt say much tbh.

[jade holly]

Same with Ferrus Manus

[wintry scarab]

Also i was gonna ask, do nightlords worship anyone?

[storm jungle]

Uhh entirely depends.

[outer wave]

Yesn't

[opaque coyote]

Depends but as a whole

[storm jungle]

Some do, some dont.

[normal stream]

My point was that Russ is MIA, so he has even less of a claim to the Golden Throne lol

[opaque coyote]

No

[storm jungle]

Thats essentially it

[jade holly]

you know what would be a hilarious storyline? Perturabo becomes a Daemon and they have to get him to fix the Golden Throne

[storm jungle]

LOL

[normal stream]

Can't compete for something if you're not around to compete

[storm jungle]

Hes already a daemon prince so

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/halfway-there-bon-jovi-living-on-a-prayer-band-concert-gif-15226260

[storm jungle]

Im sure hes content being a massive AA-gun platform

[jade holly]

War Machine on steroids

[outer wave]

More like

Whore machine

[opaque coyote]

Basically

Night Lords and Alpha Legion are Renegade

[outer wave]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

YEET

[jade holly]

With the attitude of an incel Megatron

[storm jungle]

They arent. They are fully devoted to chaos

[opaque coyote]

...

So Megatro-

[storm jungle]

Its more that some worship gods some dont

[jade holly]

Fun fact: Megatron in a word sense mental gymnastics finds Starscream hot

[normal stream]

Also, Angron defeated Leman Russ before he ascended to become a daemon primarch, FYI.

So, he's definitely not the strongest 🙃

[storm jungle]

I mean Megatron does beat Starscream like a housewife

[jade holly]

Because he said something about a female decepticon that “She’s almost hot enough to replace you”

[opaque coyote]

I swear that's the only reason why he even keeps him around

[wintry scarab]

Megatron!? (Go watch transfromers one if youre bored. Its very good)

[opaque coyote]

There is no other reason otherwise

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[jade holly]

I need to watch it but I’m in college

I want to see it so badly

[storm jungle]

Transformers One is great

[jade holly]

It better be doing good

[storm jungle]

i went into it expecting a kids movie

and i got fucking pure cinema

[normal stream]

Was that the newest one that came out?

[storm jungle]

yep

[jade holly]

You know what I need

[normal stream]

I was expecting this too lol

so I didn't budget time to watch it

[jade holly]

Remasters of War and Fall of Cybertron

[normal stream]

Then again the OG Transformers movie was solid

[wintry scarab]

Bumblebee sucks tho. Hate what they did to him 😦

[storm jungle]

it looks like a fucking toy movie before you get like the most darkest subject matters

like slavery, lower classes, suppression of the common masses

DAMN

[jade holly]

It surprises me how little people know of Megatron’s backstory

like bruh

[storm jungle]

yeah this too

Megatron was THE GOAT

[jade holly]

He wasn’t always an asshole dictator

[storm jungle]

he was Horus Lupercal before Horus Lupercal was a fucking thing

[arctic talon]

Plasma and las weapons, arc weaponry, power weapons, chain weapons, phosphor guns, ect.

lower grade then what you'd see a tech priest with

[jade holly]

And Optimus is The Emperor if he was actually cool

Now that’s a hot take

[arctic talon]

but usually they're well made + maintained

[jade holly]

[dense mortar]

The Emperor gave Russ the title of his Executioner. I mean thats not something you give to the guy manning the door at your local movie theater. Its also pretty clear that the Emperor called him into the Warp (likely because he is the only one strong enough to withstand its perpetual hostility) to track down something that will heal or restore Big E. A task only fitting for the numero uno.

[storm jungle]

He literally gave every loyalist primarch some lame ass title

[jade holly]

Executioner. He kill good

[storm jungle]

💀

Again like

its okay to like Space Wolves

they are cool

[jade holly]

Big E’s too senile to be making decisions right now

[storm jungle]

but this some SERIOUS meatriding

[wintry scarab]

its the logic of, "oh, its just robots" while me as a kid and me now see them as living beings getting killed brutally.

[jade holly]

Not to mention the whole furry part of the SW’s fans

[normal stream]

+++

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

Me watching Megatron rip a fucking false prophet leader in half in the theatres 💀

[jade holly]

I’m a simple man:
I like iron Warriors cause guns on guns

I like Salamnders cause fire

I like DG cause I’m Cancer

[normal stream]

Like dude, you can like space wolves, great, we all have our favorites. But every unresolved 40k discussion that usually ends up with mods stepping in is a discussion of "XYZ is better" "no ABC is better"

[dense mortar]

I am just saying what everyone is thinking. Russ will return in the final battle (as is foretold in Chapter prophecy), and ring in a new era for mankind with the return of the Emperor. Its not a big leap here folks.

[wintry scarab]

God, That second half of the movie goes so hard

[jade holly]

Shush no spoilers

[normal stream]

Stop speaking for everyone. Not everyone here agrees with you.

I disagree with you.

[arctic talon]

The upside of robots instead of humans

Gore isn't a concern

[storm jungle]

^

[normal stream]

And you'll find plenty of people on the classic 40k forums that will disagree with you

[storm jungle]

Samurai Jack be like

[arctic talon]

You can get away

with so much more

with robots lol

[normal stream]

I mean.. cable gore...

...

[dense mortar]

Or do you fear that I might be correct.

[normal stream]

😂

[arctic talon]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-26529362

[normal stream]

"fear" lol "fear" of internet words?

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

FUCKING SENTINEL

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[storm jungle]

god that scene makes me laugh every time

"NOOO OPTIMUS"

[arctic talon]

the way he dies in One is great

[jade holly]

Fun fact: Optimus said “I’ll kill you” more than the villains

[arctic talon]

in other news

[jade holly]

Dude

[arctic talon]

my younger cousin was both horrified + intrigued lol

[wintry scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/megatron-vs-jazz-gif-17985132

[jade holly]

At least put a fucking spoiler tag

[dense mortar]

Not in the physical sense of course. But that Leman Russ is actually the chosen primarch, and eveyrone who is been sleeping on Space Wolves will have no choice but to acknowledge there superiority.

[jade holly]

I’m on campus right now I can’t go out and watch it

[outer wave]

Nah no thanks

[wintry scarab]

10 year old me was not very happy to see one of my fav autobots getting ripped in 2 lol

[normal stream]

Once you've been around the 40k communtiy for maybe more than a year, you'll realize that these discussions go nowhere.

That, or you're actively deciding to troll.

[arctic talon]

my bad

[dense mortar]

Brother I got a space wolf tattoo on my arm. I aint no troll.

[normal stream]

Like the whole "My chapter is best" thing has been around since the 90s. It's dumb and produces no productive or conducive conversation.

[outer wave]

One day, everyone will realize the superiority of Ogryns, and everyone will be forced to bow to their elegance. They will also bring in the missing primarch, Olog, the Ogryn Primarch.

[normal stream]

Oh god, you're that far gone on spacewolves meatriding. OK, I'm not continuing this topic lol.

[jade holly]

I guess it’s not too spoilery considering the bastard dies in everything even War for Cybertron (Zeta Prime is Sentinel right?)

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I think the only thing he's shown up in and not died in was the uh

TV show?

[wintry scarab]

I had, Space marine 2 spoiler:|| the chaplains identity|| spoiled for me like an hour before my game installed 😭

[arctic talon]

the one with the big chin

[dense mortar]

Fair enough. But if you were trapped on a frozen planet and vastly outnumbered by a vicous enemy . . . you'd want a chapter of SW with you wouldnt you?

[arctic talon]

I watched that as a kid

[outer wave]

Ogryns

[jade holly]

Black Myth: Wukong ain’t on Xbox yet cause of the stupid split screen issue that delayed BG3 and I saw the final boss

[normal stream]

Nope. I'd want a bunch of Thousand Sons to teleport me away.

[jade holly]

And tbh

[outer wave]

A chapter of Ogryns instead

[jade holly]

I shouldn’t have been surprised

[normal stream]

Why settle for a chapter? Go for an entire legion - ogryns aren't limited by the silly Codex Astartes

[outer wave]

True!

[normal stream]

In fact, give me a segmentum full of ogryns

[jade holly]

Admech Ogryns

[outer wave]

I want a band of a million large lads that can eat my enemies and have a good time fighting for me

[jade holly]

Luv me Omnisah

[normal stream]

I bet you if we had more ogryns we could defeat the 'nids easily by just punching them all.

[outer wave]

Luv me Mech'ead

[normal stream]

In fact, if we grow a big enough ogryn we can punch hive ships too.

[storm jungle]

Okay that explains a lot.

Again its okay to like Chapters

just... dont go around like this going "HES THE CHOSEN ONE"

[normal stream]

lmao I love how we both came to that same conclusion

[outer wave]

^

[jade holly]

Friendly reminder

Horus was the Anakin Skywalker story line

But he sucked

[storm jungle]

I mean its kinda like that but not super really

its the "hero's journey" but it stops after like Phase 1

and he turns into a generic villain

[normal stream]

LOL

[storm jungle]

🧑‍🦲

BALD

[normal stream]

with weird pipes

[jade holly]

Why did no one expect his betrayal?

His last name is Heresy

[normal stream]

don't forget the weird pipes

[jade holly]

Smh

Oh hey

Tech Adept has 3 subclasses

Perfect

Secutor, Dominus, and Skitarius

[normal stream]

I think dominus is a title suffix given at the Magos level?

[jade holly]

Adept Dominus Expertise is what I’m reading

Then Adept Secutor Expertise

And Adept Skitarius Expertise

granted I think it’s a fan wiki

[normal stream]

sounds about right

[jade holly]

Oh wait

[normal stream]

Reductor could work

[jade holly]

This is the wiki for the game Inquisitor

💀💀

[arctic talon]

Dominus is very high up lol

Thats only give to magi/archmagi

[jade holly]

Would it surprise you if I told you I barely know anything about 40k armies?

[arctic talon]

Its fine to not know anything or know little

thats such an odd selection though lol

[jade holly]

Blessed be the mind too small to doubt

[arctic talon]

for that video game

[normal stream]

... as long as one doesn't come in here pretending that they do

[arctic talon]

Secutor, Skitarii(???) and then Dominus

[normal stream]

It was kinda weird that they had tech priest inquisitors

[arctic talon]

This is true

[normal stream]

That's never shown up anywhere else in the lore

[arctic talon]

the tech priest has its own gestapo Inqusition anyways

[normal stream]

Oh, interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/16dk8t2/can_a_tech_priest_be_a_inquisitor/

"I got to ask the writer of Inquisitor Martyr that question in a QnA.

The Tech-Adept Inquisitor is not a Tech-Priest Inquisitor (hence the Adept in his name – it is a very important distinction). He is someone who spent time training on a Forge World at the Cult Mechanicus, but before he could have become a fully ordained Tech-Priest, he left to become a retinue member for an Inquisitor, then he became an Interrogator, then a proper Inquisitor. He is still heavily relying on everything he learned during his days as a Tech-Adept - his augmentations remained, his thinking is quite different from the usual agents, not to mention that he is using battle automata in battles, but he is an Inquisitor now. The official standpoint is that Tech-Priests don’t become Inquisitors."

[jade holly]

So the class name in game would be Techpriest or Tech Adept?

[arctic talon]

oh thats cool

[arctic talon]

Tech Adept

Tech priest is also fine

[normal stream]

OK, now figure out how to make them Rejects.

[jade holly]

I think Techpriest rolls off the tongue better

[arctic talon]

Tech heresy, insulted someone powerful, ran from battle

uhhhh

Was imprisoned for being too nice to a menial idfk

[jade holly]

Ate Ogryn’s rations and left him hungry

[dense mortar]

I mean, how do you explain the Wolf Time prophecy?

[jade holly]

WOLF TIME??

MORBIN TIME

The archetypes have “official” names right?

[arctic talon]

Well we had official names for the first one

or wait

[jade holly]

Early on in Darktide’s life time

[arctic talon]

those are classes

either way yeah

[jade holly]

What would the three for TechPriest/Adept be

[arctic talon]

Sharpshooter, Skullbreaker, Preacher and Psykinetic

were the 4 offical names

we have hidden names in code for the rest

[jade holly]

I’m talking stuff like

Glugger

[arctic talon]

yeah

[jade holly]

Skullgryn

[arctic talon]

tbh

dredging up the chart

if we want ranks a priest would have

[jade holly]

All this for a funny robophiliac as a playable character

[arctic talon]

What are your ideas for like Blitzes/abilities @jade holly

[jade holly]

Servo skull drone that has different functions based on the blitz

Then for combat abilities:

Servitor summons

Heavy weapon mode using a Mechadendrite/Dual wielding

Idk the third

[arctic talon]

one bigger servitor?

instead of multiple small ones?

[jade holly]

Could be an ability modifier

Start with a Gun Servitor

Could summon more

[arctic talon]

go up to a combat or more

[jade holly]

Or upgrade to bigger

[normal stream]

Wolftime is basically the equivalent of real life Norse mythology's Ragnarok, i.e. the "end times". The implication when Russ left Bjorn Fell-handed as Great Wolf was that his return would be the "last battle" of all the primarchs (loyalist and traitor) and marines, which would destroy the galaxy and restart the whole process of the galaxy without humankind.

Welcome to 3rd edition lore.

[jade holly]

Keystones are where I’m blanking

[dense mortar]

Which, correct me if I am wrong, goes along with my idea that the Space Wolves will usher in a new era for mankind.

[normal stream]

Not just the space wolves.

ALL space marines

[jade holly]

New era? Mf he said “Without Mankind”

[normal stream]

ALL primarchs (still alive)

[jade holly]

[normal stream]

And all of them will die.

[dense mortar]

Agreed. Wolf-kind

[jade holly]

You really are a furry

[normal stream]

Wolf-kind and pig-kind and raven-kind and chicken-kind and grox-kind

[jade holly]

[normal stream]

We can even include felinids in there too since we're going into furry territory

[arctic talon]

metasurgeon(Genator/biologis, servitor stuff)

Secutor(war priest, combat focused stuff)

Necromechanic(artisans, team buff)

do not ask why the lowest rank of artisans are called necromechanics

I don't know either

[dense mortar]

Its clear humans are not built for this universe. The only logically outcome would be to assimilate the remaining vestiges of humanity into the Space Wolves and indow them with the Canis Helix.

[jade holly]

Cause your team will be dead by the time you buff them

It’s just a mechanic with poor timing

[arctic talon]

lol

[normal stream]

That still makes them human, so, no

I suggest reading up on Ragnarok

That's the equivalent of Wolftime

The best thing to happen is for tyranids to just nom nom nom the whole galaxy

everyone wins

[jade holly]

I guess for the Necromechanic the combat ability to could be applying stims to your entire team

[arctic talon]

Lol

[jade holly]

combat, Celerity, med you name it

[arctic talon]

that would be hilarious

[jade holly]

Drugs for all

In the Omnissiah’s name

[storm jungle]

okay NOW I know this is a meme

you legit had me worried earlier

[arctic talon]

"artisanal" drugs

[storm jungle]

good to know you werent serious

[jade holly]

Get rid of the artis part and that’s how they’re injected

[dense mortar]

Wouldnt the best outcome be the Emperors return, the unification of all human factions under one banner, and ultimately the defeat of Chaos?

[storm jungle]

The best outcome would be us all morphing into wolves imo

[normal stream]

You can't defeat chaos

[jade holly]

Nor can you defeat order

[dense mortar]

Amen to that sister.

[jade holly]

Even in chaos there is order

[normal stream]

ITS MIGHTY MORPHIN TIME

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cccc-gif-18818220

[jade holly]

4 chaos gods with their own realms

[storm jungle]

AWOOOOO

[jade holly]

Inside you there are two wolves:

one is an EC enjoyer

The other is a DG enjoyer

You are a very sick individual

[dense mortar]

Your telling me, on an open vox. the Emperor could not find a way to defeat Chaos?

[jade holly]

Yes

[storm jungle]

The emperor could not find a way to not be a fucking corpse

legit skill issue

he took his L

[dense mortar]

Herecy

[jade holly]

He couldn’t find a way to be good father

[storm jungle]

Hairesy you mean

because Wolf

[jade holly]

Oh no

[storm jungle]

Okay jokes aside

[jade holly]

@storm jungle why did you make me think this

Herussy

[storm jungle]

its like 03:26 at night, im too lazy to do more wolf jokes

im gonna go sleep yall keep him going if you want

[dense mortar]

Im coming back when that Wolf-Time prophecy book drops, Leman returns and free's mankind from its endless struggle against darkness. IM COMING BACK AND YOUR ALL GOING TO SEE! <SLAMS DOOR>

[storm jungle]

IM TRYING TO SLEEP STFU

[jade holly]

How many weapons does each class have (barring Ogryn) that are unique to them?

[storm jungle]

🛌

[normal stream]

woof

[normal stream]

2?

Maybe 3?

Zealot has flamer, thammer, eviscerator

Vet has plasma gun and power sword

I guess psyker has 5, 4 staves and 1 force sword

Ogryn be ogryn

[arctic talon]

Psyker had dueling sword

now uh everyone has it

LOL

[normal stream]

Yeah they made a lot of them not-unique in that patch lol

[arctic talon]

but ogryn

poor ogryn

[normal stream]

Ogryn speshul

[jade holly]

Ok so I know for sure Techpriest needs the funny gear axe

[normal stream]

Imagine if ogryn had dueling sword but used it as a toothpick instead

[jade holly]

maybe an Arc pistol and an Arc Lance

[opaque coyote]

Honestly there are two things that I wish was moved over from Classic to Modern Fallout

1. Dick shots

[jade holly]

What a start

Had that on lock

[opaque coyote]

2. More Gorey death scenes in general

[opaque coyote]

In fallout 1 and 2 you were literally able to just

Shoot them in the dick

No joke

[normal stream]

you can still do that in darktide

[opaque coyote]

Like that was an option

True

[normal stream]

In any FPS really

[opaque coyote]

But in Fallout 1 and 2, VATs was how combat worked

And the dick was literally a part you could select

[normal stream]

Oh you mean VATs 😂

[opaque coyote]

So

[arctic talon]

was it not

[opaque coyote]

Yeah even had voice lines for it too

[arctic talon]

"pelvis"

and not dick

[opaque coyote]

I think it was crotch

[arctic talon]

same difference

lol

[opaque coyote]

Either way, let's be fair here

You're shooting them in the dick

Or vagina if they're a woman

No sexism here

Either way, kinda wish we got a return of that

Imagine if a Pacifist run was possible

By literally just shooting them in the crotch

[normal stream]

I think in general

[opaque coyote]

So that they just collapse in pain

[normal stream]

shooting anyone there would make you

not a pacifist

[opaque coyote]

They're still alive

They wish they aren't

But they're still alive

Therefore pacifist

Trust

[normal stream]

Pacifism is not the act of not killing, it is the act of no violence

[opaque coyote]

Self defense (tm)

[normal stream]

even then

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside though.

I do kinda wish that there were more non lethal options in games

Or as I like to call it

"You're gonna wish you were dead."

Fallout does have the ability to talk out of a lot of encounters

But it would be nice to have some non lethal options

Like Cyberpunk 2077

[jade holly]

We call that psychological warfare

like when you’re getting mugged, you pull out a fork and knife and say “Lord, thank you for the feast you have given unto me” then charge the mugger

[opaque coyote]

Also I kinda wish the gore system in the fallout games was better

You can't destroy the torso at all in those games

[languid meadow]

terrifying presence my beloved

[opaque coyote]

Why?

I mean you can

But you need bloody mess

And it just explodes

Where are the exposed flesh

Also it would be neat to have like

Enemies with missing limbs

Like you can cut off their arm

Or have enemies without an arm in the first place

That would be cool

[shell mason]

sup yall

[shell mason]

theres mods and when you see dead bodies you can chop off whatever you want

[jade holly]

Just making an Admech class

Finally have some concrete stuff to work with

You know what?

[dense mortar]

@normal stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f7UDf_MG3o

[jade holly]

I’m gonna make my own Space Marine chapter

[dense mortar]

Listen to this every morning

[jade holly]

They are the True Custodians

They are a secretive chapter that no one sees or hears about. They specialize in cleaning up the battlefields of blood and guts to prepare for the next skirmish

and their Primarch is Lord Oxidal Cleanline

[green loom]

Horus Luperclean

[jade holly]

Heard Morrow was there when Sanguinius ate it

[shell mason]

yea?

[jade holly]

Needed to figure out the archetypes and what their play style is

Started with Technoarcheologists, Enginseers and ElectroPriests to Skitarii to Tech Adepts

[shell mason]

ahhh

[autumn cypress]

What would lot consider a "lore accurate" zealot?

[arctic talon]

Some acts of faith going on

Otherwise a “normal” but very faithful/pious person

[jade holly]

May or not survive mortal wounds because he believe the Emperor hasn’t given him the right to die yet

[autumn cypress]

Fair enough

[autumn cypress]

Combat Servitor

[jade holly]

Already in mind

Starts off with a gun servitor

Can opt to have more

Or upgrade to a bigger one

[normal stream]

tl;dr

[jade holly]

Is there a difference between gun and combat Servitors?

[normal stream]

It's just a casual terminology

Generally referring to one with a gun and one with close combat weapons

But then there are those with both so 🤷‍♂️

[jade holly]

Well now idfk what servitors to use

[outer wave]

Uhhh song using AI images

[arctic talon]

Gun servitors are servitors with guns, combat servitors are specialized for combat and up armored or have other things to better augment them for combat

[autumn cypress]

And train space marine aspirants

Either way a servitor of some kind could be fun

[fleet parcel]

Why do zealots hate psykers? The emperor was a psyker himself

[dense mortar]

Do Space Marines cry?

[soft thunder]

yes

(I have no source)

[dense mortar]

About what? Love? Loss? Joy?

[soft thunder]

Loss probably, maybe

40k doesn't have much of the other 3

2*

[crisp heath]

Does mephiston exist on the table top?

He seems absurd I don’t know how you would balance him without just gimping him

[dense mortar]

I like to imagine there is a corner of the grim dark where a Space Marine put down his weapon and built a wooden cabin on a cliffside overlooking an endless ocean. He wakes up every morning with the woman he fell in love with and they watch the sunrise everyday together.

[vast crystal]

I was under the impression space marines didn't really feel romantic love

[fleet parcel]

Idk so much as cry, but they do have feelings to some extent

[dense mortar]

If Winston Smith was able to uncover a fleeting love in George Orwell's 1984. Sure too, could a Space Marine.

[plush canyon]

Idk about love but there was a Carcharodon who felt bad for a psykerish child and his mother so after the mission that he needed him for instead of killing them he faked all of their deaths and helps them live on some random planet

[dense mortar]

That shows empathy.

[plush canyon]

Yeah he was a pretty neat character for being a shark boy

[gray umbra]

I think there were a few non corrupted fallen angels who did something similar

[frail tinsel]

Are augments given to anyone who needs them or is it just "broke a leg oh well time for servitoral conversion!"

[queen laurel]

Augments are mostly saved for someone who can pay

[frail tinsel]

American Healthcare reference

[queen laurel]

Being a servitor is a punishment or when people just don't have enough working force

and so they are made that way

[dense mortar]

Got any examples I can research?

[queen laurel]

While many are vat-grown, often a criminal, particularly one who has offended the Cult Mechanicus, will be sentenced to "Servitude Imperpituis" and will be handed over to the Tech-priests to be mind-wiped, reprogrammed, and cybernetically-enhanced to serve some specific, rudimentary function.

-Lex

so they are basically just flesh drones

[frail tinsel]

Oh ok I assumed servitors were mainly the human form of dreadnought, still serving the emperor even in a dismantled state with a few criminals as exceptions

[frail tinsel]

Like whatshername who sold cosmetics being turned into "penance unit mk1"

[plush canyon]

What kind of shoes do commissars wear ? I’m trying to make a costume but can’t figure out the best kind of shoe for it

[queen laurel]

yeah

if your talking about the traitor in dark tide

[frail tinsel]

I would assume expensive business shoes or maybe combat boots

[frail tinsel]

Yeah

[frail tinsel]

Looks like a pair of shin high leather boots with that one imperium symbol around the top

[gray umbra]

sorry i think im misremembering.

There is loken and mersadie but they dont settle down

[opaque coyote]

Usually Loss

SMs do cry

It takes a lot because they're brainwashed to be fearless

But they do cry

Usually these tears turn into rage though

SMs also basically go through... what I could only called "genetic trauma" if their Primarch dies

Sanguinius dying had it so that some Marines go insane with rage

And start to see their enemies as Horus

Pleading and asking why they betrayed them

Betrayed their brothers

Betrayed the emperor

All the while they slice at the traitor

Except sometimes "Horus" could literally just be a random person

Lmao

[soft thunder]

I vaguely recall a story of a space marine (terminator maybe?) who lost his memory somehow and ended up becoming a farmer after being rescued by some local town of rural people. Eventually he fights a tyranid that appears with what remnants of armour he had and dies to protect the village.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he got brain damage

Like

Literal brain damage

Also it was a normal SM

[soft thunder]

Anyways that's probably the closest a SM got to having a happy life as far as I know. Like some clone troopers type of stuff there

[opaque coyote]

He basically lived as a farm hand for a while

Chilling

[opaque coyote]

Guilliman also had the temptation to literally

Run away and start a farm

During the Horus Heredy

[soft thunder]

RIP Arhiman's vineyard

[opaque coyote]

Funnily enough, two Roman rulers had the same temptation as well

And Guilliman and the Ultramarines are inspired by pre-christain Romans

[soft thunder]

I'd do the same if I had the money

par for course then

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Diocletian was a Roman Dictator twice

But he only lasted three weeks both times despite the term being like two years

Because after he dragged the Roman Republic from getting destroyed/fucked over

He just went back to farming

Basically it's the Hollywood equivalent of

"They need me again?"

"Yeah."

[soft thunder]

straight up

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/marriage-princess-princessbride-mawage-gif-5237664

[thick cedar]

What do tech priests think this symbol is

[celest dome]

Rune of activation

[jade holly]

Normal people: Turning on a machine

Admech: Turning on a machine

[normal stream]

Looks Tau. Purge it.

[opaque coyote]

Most tolerant Imperium citizen

[normal stream]

Yep, was a deathwing ultramarines terminator who lost his memory IIRC fighting a bioplasma carnifex (possibly a screamer killer?)

[jade holly]

Do Admech have any special resource for their tools?

[opaque coyote]

They usually do an entire ritual to turn it on btw

[jade holly]

That could be turned into a gameplay mechanic?

[normal stream]

And yeah, later on that carnifex, which was the lone survivor, kills some towns people and he hunts it down and dies with it by pushing it off a cliff with him

[jade holly]

like the Psyker’s peril

I had the idea of an Arc Charge that was used to abilities and blitzes but idk if that even makes sense

[opaque coyote]

Maybe power

/energy

[jade holly]

Like an energy meter used to activate combat abilities and Blitzes

[normal stream]

faith in the omnissiah

my faith is lacking

I feel full of faith

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-27412093

[opaque coyote]

Promethium is used to refer to different types of fuels

Like how there are different types of fossil fuels

Basically it's a blanket terms similar to how Gas is

But generally

It sticks to things, hot enough to burn underwater

And it somehow burns in space

Somehow

[jade holly]

I think energy/Arc charge works better for their machine stuff

[opaque coyote]

Also used for Flamers

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but Promethium is the blanket term for any type of fuel in the Imperium

From flamethrowers to starships

So could have like a Promethium maker

Implying that the Tech Priest or whatever is somehow turning all the corpses into Biofuel

And then they release it to charge abilities and such

[jade holly]

would a TechPriest use Promethium for their Mechadendrite though?

Probably for Servitors

[opaque coyote]

Maybe? Promethium is basically just a blanket term for fuel

Like how Gas is

[queen laurel]

maybe also carrying a pocket battery

remember generators are a thing

[jade holly]

do I want the class to juggle multiple resources?

[opaque coyote]

The Tech Priest/Skitarii should have the special ability to be able to carry the batteries while maintaining normal speed

similar to how the other classes have a unique quirk

If we ever get a Mechanicus class in darktide

[queen laurel]

ogryns already have that

[opaque coyote]

it would just be on their back

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[jade holly]

They would have an easier time interacting with servo skulls and other devices

[queen laurel]

You don't see it because they are slower than your average person but they don't get slowed down by batteries

[jade holly]

doing those mini games would be easier

how about that

[opaque coyote]

Actually yeah that's also good

They probably would know how the tech shit works

Instead of as hadron put it

"Pressing random buttons until they work"

Well

"know"

with quotations

They'd at least get around it slightly better than a layman at least

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always thought they should also be able to use it more like a melee weapon

Like we can push with the battery

but the Ogyrn should just be able to

BASH heretics with it

Like swing it around recklessly

[jade holly]

And break the battery?

[opaque coyote]

i mean

ogyrn

idk man maybe it's made out of super space glass and it can handle the ogyrn using it as a bashing tool

[dense mortar]

**Space Wolves > Commonly Referred to as SW > SW is also a term used for the direction 'South-West' > The emperors throne is located under what once used to be Mount Everest > Mount Everests South West face is pointed towards Nepal > This side of the mountain is said to be the most challenging and difficult to scale and is very similar to the terrain on Fenris. . . . . Coincidence? **

[jade holly]

Do you mind? I’m busy making concept that I know will never see the light of day for this game

[opaque coyote]

Bro guys

The Cadia situation is crazy

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-moist-critical-gif-1279463373585615177

[normal stream]

"chat abbadon just threw a blackstone fortress at us, what do"

[small grail]

EAT IT

[dense mortar]

While you are all sleeping. Space Wolves run wild in the chat.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cccc-gif-18818220

[dense mortar]

Brutal

[dense mortar]

Also, what was that like 5 hours of sleep?!?!

[storm jungle]

its been like 9 hours

deffo still not enough but im imsoniac'ish so

[normal stream]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-tail-circles-catch-gif-14764000

^ actual video of space wolves

[low gazelle]

I could prob google this but

wtf is a noise marine?

[queen laurel]

it's Slannesh's personal marines

like how Khorne has Berzerkers

and Nugle has Plague marines

[low gazelle]

oh plague marines are a thing

Did nurgle just offer em aids

and they said eh sure

[normal stream]

More like nurgle gave them aids while they were stuck in metal bozes and said "if you worship me the aids will be amazing"

[sacred ginkgo]

“The aids will be amazing not the most horrific thing you’ve ever experienced”

[normal stream]

I mean, all things considered, the death guard got it kinda good

They retained their sanity and free will. Ish. Relatively speaking.

Look at the WE, TS, and EC in comparison.

[low gazelle]

I feel like khorne wouldnt be that bad

[normal stream]

Butchers Nails?

[queen laurel]

if you think becoming a frothing on the Mouth musclebound monster is a good thing then go ahead

[normal stream]

An uncontrollable need to run at the closest heavy bolter emplacement with a chainaxe?

[low gazelle]

by wh40k standards

[normal stream]

By 40k standards keeping your soul and your sanity is amazing.

[low gazelle]

We got
BDSM, Space aids, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, and being pixie dust

[normal stream]

In the first and third you lose your sanity and self control, in the fourth you lose your soul

[low gazelle]

SO space aids is probably

the best worst thing

Now im wondering if there are any books on nobles having to deal with an invasion on a hive city

[normal stream]

Kinda yeah. Although being a TS sorcerer is pretty lit and the best of all of those though.

[normal stream]

Necropolis in the Gaunts Ghosts series

[low gazelle]

ty

[low gazelle]

Are the nobles insufferable?

as in arrogant, cocky, naive

[normal stream]

Yes

[low gazelle]

this is gonna be satisfying

[normal stream]

Core premise of the book, even, is insecurity about off world Guard authority

Vs local PDF authority

[low gazelle]

Ive wanted to get into tabletop stuff for wh40k

do they like 3d prints?

[dense mortar]

Honestly the Space Wolves are likely the strongest Space Marines in 40k. They wholly reject much of the Codex Astartes, and refused to break their legion down into more "manageable" numbers. Making them one of the larger (largest?) factions. They also operate with near complete autonomy. I also once heard that Iron Hands secretly fear and reveres our boys from Fenris.

[vagrant fox]

Butchers Nails isn't Khornes fault. Probably loves it though

[celest dome]

Damn, SW coping is real

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[storm jungle]

Hes memeing dont worry.

[dense mortar]

The Space Wolf banner tattooed on my arm says I aint.

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-wolf-furry-alpha-teen-gif-22794079

Gemini at the moment

[queen laurel]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/k9f1p3CZiksAAAAC/gun-db-shotgun.gif

[storm jungle]

holy shit lmfao

[low gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[lapis verge]

Imagine still being a loyalist

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[crystal forum]

im starting to think forever winter is modern grimdark

less 80's cartoonish and more millenial existentialism

also always great to see 1984 world building used

[storm jungle]

It literally is so yes.

the 40k comparisons to it are pretty annoying though lol

[low gazelle]

what is that

[shadow plover]

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oh hell yeah

[low gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

in the grimdark of the 41st milenium

there is only swiping

[crystal forum]

isn't 40k a stated inspiration by some of the devs though

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure not. The devs are all from other industries in the media, theres nothing really too 40k about the game either since GW didnt invent post-apocalyptic war scenarios or people worshipping machines.

[crystal forum]

fair enough

[low gazelle]

wait is that just lethal company but with bosses

[crystal forum]

no

[storm jungle]

it doesnt have really anything with lethal company

unless you consider picking up junk lol

[low gazelle]

Good single player exp?

[storm jungle]

its in early access

very much has a long way to go atm but pretty promising

[low gazelle]

It looks so sick from the trailers im seeing

[storm jungle]

its very good especially since its team is almost entirely videogame artists

[low gazelle]

oh no,,,

the spahgetti code

[storm jungle]

yeah very much why its in early access

[fleet parcel]

man, i get it, youre a fan, but they are really not. they truly live up to the saying " all bark no bite"

[dense mortar]

MESS WITH THE WOLF. GET THE FANGS!

[fleet parcel]

ok nvm, i just hate some heavy bait

[dense mortar]

Leman Russ is widely accepted as not only the smartest, but strongest Primarch there is. Rivaling that of Big E himself

[fleet parcel]

yeah, sorry gang, i took the bait

[storm jungle]

this is what you get nerd

[fleet parcel]

i deserve it

[crisp heath]

Space wolves do be getting up to some bullshit ngl

Like fighting the inquisition and not getting completely obliterated

[thorn zenith]

The sues to surpass the blue balls

The black templar fans talk mad shit about killing furries but do not fuck with them, thats how powerful they are

[lapis verge]

I still haven't forgiven those glorified space furries for burning down Prospero

One of the greatest city of Mankind, burned to the ground all cause the Emperor was too dumb to see past Magnus breaking down the "Do Not Disturb" sign

[dusk patrol]

What a fascinating way to see that series of events

[storm jungle]

He was too dumb to also tell Magnus what the Warp even was.

because uhhh "reasons"

[lapis verge]

Yes that too

For all that talk of reason and logic blud expects his sons to reject smth they don't even know exists omegalul

[storm jungle]

My favorite thing with 30k in general is

Dumb event has to happen because it was pre-written as so
Everyone goes full-moron.
Details are explained in future books with even more flimsy excuses

[crisp heath]

The reason prospero burned is because Magnus is stupid

Not Russ’s fault, he was just the one holding the torch (axe)

Also Horus too being really good at the whole war master thing

[storm jungle]

Its a domino effect

Emperor was stupid and didnt say anything about how the Warp works > Magnus fucked up due to it > Leman is just a moron

they are all big levels of idiocy

[dusk patrol]

Magnus was very aware of how the warp worked and the Webway project

[storm jungle]

He really wasnt on a larger scale.

[dusk patrol]

He was just an idiot who to thought he could control it

He was told to not fuck with stuff

He still did

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally on the loosest term lol

[crisp heath]

Leman was going to fight a bunch of super magic pyskers that do really scary things

You can’t hold back against that

[storm jungle]

also like father like son moment

[dusk patrol]

He was over and over told by everyone else, who could clearly see the issues with it

[storm jungle]

Its just badly written

and thats okay

[forest orbit]

Its kinda inevitable is the thing

like we are talking about a book series written from footnotes

[storm jungle]

pretty much

I get that they try to explain it but it still is pretty stupid

[forest orbit]

yeah

[crisp heath]

Have you heard of the tale of icarus?

[forest orbit]

Prospero in general is mostly done well but it has a lot of gaping moments

[crisp heath]

Thats magic red man

[forest orbit]

Magnus sitting down to die then changing his mind is prob the funniest one tho

[storm jungle]

THAT is one of my favorite moments from how goofy it is

i get that like "last second changing mind" is a thing

[crisp heath]

Magnus coming out to fight Russ finally was pretty sick though

[storm jungle]

but uhhh

[forest orbit]

yeah lol

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of consistency in there, the fact that people don’t think Magnus was very aware of how risky his actions were and would have kept pushing regardless of what he was told, it’s the whole point of his character.

[forest orbit]

It was okay

again primarch vs primarch

[dusk patrol]

He always makes the worst choice largely

[forest orbit]

you saw one fight you saw it all

[crisp heath]

Him just not holding back before and just laying waste and the whole planet falling apart

[forest orbit]

Well yeah because plot

hes suppose to be a well studied scholar

[crisp heath]

The sky bulking under weight

[forest orbit]

but makes a mistake a 10 year old wouldnt

[storm jungle]

that too lol

[green loom]

(with an ego)

[dusk patrol]

No he’s just arrogant lol

[forest orbit]

so basically a well studied scholar

[dusk patrol]

Being well studied doesn’t mean you make good choices

[forest orbit]

He still acts way too stupid

[crisp heath]

He is book smart not world smart

[green loom]

Yeah but a very smart ass "I'm sire I won't fuck it up" mindset

[dusk patrol]

It’s the wisdom vs intelligence thing

[storm jungle]

He does because again plot needs to happen

[forest orbit]

ye more or less

prospero in general is just badly done for the mos tpart

[dusk patrol]

Magnus has very clear and consistent personality traits

[storm jungle]

I did a re-read of it once

and man its just frustrating how stupid everyone acts

[forest orbit]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

He’s very arrogant and thinks he knows better, the issue is people read A Thousand Sons at face value

[forest orbit]

for the entire thing to work a literal shapeshifting daemon had to be present

thats how shoddy it is lol

[dusk patrol]

Like they miss a lot of times how insane he sounds at Nikea

[storm jungle]

lmao yeah the Changeling

[forest orbit]

yeah but Nikea itself is also just bad

[storm jungle]

Nikea is pretty meh

like

Dont do this guys ok

Proceeds to do it anyway

[crisp heath]

“Erm, all pyskers should be unregulated and free to explore hell”

[dusk patrol]

Yes that’s the point lol, Magnus is an arrogant idiot who would never listen

[forest orbit]

Its more that they basically have to spearhead an event that more or less becomes irrelevant a literal year later

[storm jungle]

KEK

my favorite part of 30k tbh

like most of the "pivotal moments" its more or less a waste of time and book fodder

[dusk patrol]

He and his sons think they’re basically invincible and always right and everyone else is being psychic Luddites

[forest orbit]

yeah that

you dont get much out of it anyway

[storm jungle]

Well you do but also as said above its just largely irrelevant

[crisp heath]

The khan should have been at the council of nikea

[storm jungle]

wouldnt have mattered

[dusk patrol]

It wouldn’t have mattered

[crisp heath]

He actually likes psykers

[storm jungle]

the verdict was set

its plot

[forest orbit]

^

[crisp heath]

And isn’t stupid like Magnus lol