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opaque coyote
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by the eldar

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he actually managed to kill a lot of them

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but unfortunately, the nucerians caught him while he was exhausted

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and uh

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enslaved him

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yeah...

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and also he was intending to die with his men

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but then got stolen from his planet by the emperor

jade holly
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Is it safe to say each side of the primarchs have a mirror to each other?

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Like you have Sanguinius and Horus

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Perturabo and Rogal

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I guess Lemann Russ and Angron

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That sort of thing?

opaque coyote
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but yeah

soft thunder
# jade holly Is it safe to say each side of the primarchs have a mirror to each other?

In a way?

I mean I always saw Sangunius and Angron as noble-wrath vs blind-wrath and mirrored in that way. I kinda see the Horus/Sanguinius comparison, but I'd say there are mostly just similar skill-sets that I think Malcador refers to as "redundancies" in what roles the Primarchs can fulfill.

Short answer: No I don't think there is a mirror for each primarch/primarch.

opaque coyote
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...

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maybe

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idk

soft thunder
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I try to ignore their existence (Alpha Legion) whenever possible lol. I get their trope but they just don't seem to actually have any meaningful purpose/role/characteristics ever. Their goals can be anything anyone wants them to be.

jade holly
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I feel like they could’ve benefitted heavily from a Gemini twins gimmick

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Masters of deception who can be in two places at once e

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Blending in when they need to

soft thunder
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idk ignore me. I'm just tired of my firend trying to explain his loyalist Alpha Legion headcanon to me.

jade holly
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I see them as opportunistic

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Playing both sides for their own gain

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But mainly siding with chaos

soft thunder
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ya convoluted, manipulative, sneaky CSM that are sometimes renegade sometimes Chaos sometimes other stuff

opaque coyote
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They have no idea what they're doing

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Like maybe Omegon does

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And some cells are still getting orders from somewhere

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But they don't know why

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so

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They're Chaos as far as we're concerned

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/Renegade

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whatever

soft thunder
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The McGuffin legion

opaque coyote
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prank idea

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send false orders to an alpha legion cell

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fun ensues

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imagine some slaaneshi daemon decided to prank them

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"Brother. We just got an order."

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"What does it say?"

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"It say... kiss each other and... lick toes...?"

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"There is no way it is true, right brother?"

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"Brother?"

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"Hydra Dominatus."

jade holly
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Hydra Dominatus

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Also Laati

opaque coyote
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At least pre-Heresy, they actually don't treat baselines like shit

jade holly
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There was a more hilarious and more risky joke you could’ve made there

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Instead of kissing and sucking toes

opaque coyote
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Basically, they treat their operatives well.

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Even outright attempting to save them if they get compromised

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The stated reason by Omegon, at least allegedly, is that he just doesn't like waste

jade holly
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I see it as a two headed Hydra

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Omegon is the serious spec ops one

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Alpharius is the more apparent, “light hearted” of the two

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Notice the quotation marks

opaque coyote
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I think that the hydra represents that they basically are in all 3 sides

jade holly
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Aka he’s the head that stands out more while Omegon works in the background doing more serious stuff

opaque coyote
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They aren't really in any defined allegiance

jade holly
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Lorewise they’re too all over the place

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But the idea for them is sick

opaque coyote
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One "head" in Chaos, one "head" in Renegade, and one "head" in the Imperium

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With operatives working in all 3

jade holly
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That would make sense

opaque coyote
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for what goal?

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idk uh

jade holly
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If there was a third brother

opaque coyote
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sucking toes

jade holly
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so for now I see it as one head for chaos, the other for Loyalist

opaque coyote
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I just view it as, Omegon may know

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But the Alpha legion themselves

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fuck no

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They don't know shit

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Constant need to know basis

soft thunder
jade holly
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I personally want it to be an Alpharius is the… what’s the term?

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Posterboy? Ship head?

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Where you’re the face but not the main power?

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Figure head

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That’s it

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Alpharius is the figure head while Omegon is the main force

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hidden away

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keeping everyone focused on Alpharius while Omegon does his thing with little objection

opaque coyote
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dead

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of course there is the "everything is a lie" stuff

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But it's basically the only confirmed part

jade holly
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Also I get the whole “The Real Alpharius” joke

opaque coyote
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But Omegon isn't

jade holly
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But he’s not Dr Doom

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It ain’t a damn Doombot every time

opaque coyote
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HEAR ME OUT

jade holly
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I do think Alpharius could still be alive reasonably

opaque coyote
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ALPHARIUS WAS DR DOOM ALL ALONG

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HE'S IN LATVARIA-

opaque coyote
jade holly
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but even if he’s dead

opaque coyote
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An axe to the head is not something you can fake

jade holly
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Omegon could easily still use deception and illusions to make it seem like he’s alive

opaque coyote
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Honestly, my theory is this

jade holly
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The whole “I am Alpharius” being his way to keep people guessing

opaque coyote
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It is known full well that Alpharius and Omegon are of the "same soul"

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Twins in body, soul together

jade holly
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A Gemini

opaque coyote
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So when Alpharius died

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His part of the soul went to omegon

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Together in spirit and body

jade holly
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Like OnS in Dark Souls

opaque coyote
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Pretty much

jade holly
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Now Omegon has lightning powers

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I do like the idea that Omegon created a massive propaganda psy op to make people think Alpharius is still alive

opaque coyote
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Also, an interesting thing is that some operatives also watched the whole Xenos prophecy thing with Alpharius and Omegon

jade holly
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so while people freak out about that he’s still in the shadows

opaque coyote
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And they actually kept them around for a different perspective

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So ironically, the Alpha Legion was probably the best legion to work for

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Minus the brainwashing for some operatives

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But let's be fair here

jade holly
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On a technicality

opaque coyote
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When hasn't the Imperium used Brainwashing

jade holly
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They don’t want you squawking about them

opaque coyote
jade holly
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no not the brainwash part

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The whole keeping you alive part

opaque coyote
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But hey, you get paid

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It ain't like working with

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The World Eaters

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Where you can die at any moment cause a marine got the butcher's nails activated

jade holly
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Or the DG where you’re literally a walking corpse

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Also side note

opaque coyote
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Basically

jade holly
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Are STDs pinned on Nurgle or Slaanesh?

opaque coyote
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"WHY DID YOU BETRAY THE IMPERIUM?"

jade holly
opaque coyote
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"They paid me with extra rations, break days, and a stipend. I even got a dental plan."

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"DAMN THOSE TRAITORS."

jade holly
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White Scars get sick ass motorcycles

opaque coyote
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Probably Nurgle

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Slaanesh is more about excess

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and you can get an STD purely by accident

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Technically you can get Herpes by literally just drinking out of the wrong bottle of water

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And it can develop into the STD type

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So Nurgle

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Also 40k probably has better contraceptives

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and preventions

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idk maybe the condoms are made out flak

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ARMORED AND PROTECTED

jade holly
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You know

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The more I look at Perturabo

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The more he’s becoming my favorite chaos Primarch

opaque coyote
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Well some of him

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Obviously I don't kill 1/10th of my legion for "order"

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But his pain of wanting to please, but ignoring yourself and your wants

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is

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unfortunately relatable

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I almost feel bad for him at times

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Until I realize that it's peturabo

jade holly
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Fun fact I just learned

opaque coyote
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I think if there was two primarchs I actually do genuinely feel bad for

jade holly
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Apparently Perturabo is Latin for “I shall endure to the end”

opaque coyote
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It's Magnus and Angron

jade holly
opaque coyote
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Magnus because, he's smart

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but also a huge dumbass beyond belief

storm jungle
opaque coyote
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intelligence 25

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wisdom 0

jade holly
opaque coyote
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I think the scene where he basically just gave up was the most heartbreaking thing

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Where he basically just

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waited to be executed

jade holly
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I would feel bad for Magnus

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If he didn’t get himself into those situations

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He’s a massive dumbass

opaque coyote
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The feeling of fucking up

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over and over and over

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you try to repair it with all your heart

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but you just make it worse and it's all your fault

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what can you do? Give up?

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or continue on the bitter cycle?

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Trying to repair something that is...

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Dust.

outer wave
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What if I put dust mites in that armor, would they die?

opaque coyote
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I thought it wasl ike

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the Armor

jade holly
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What chaos god is Perturabo associated with?

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Is he associated with one?

outer wave
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All of them

opaque coyote
outer wave
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He is undivided

opaque coyote
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And he would tell you that he is free

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But in reality, he's undivided

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Because the Chaos Gods are huge trolls

outer wave
jade holly
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So the actual 4 who are associated with the gods are:
Fulgrim and the EC
Angron and the WE
Magnus and the TS
Mortarion and the DG

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Lorgar is the cheerleader

storm jungle
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the armor is like a literal "urn" that keeps them contained

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Basically imagine if a friend of yours ashes was in a vase and their soul was tied to it, that kind of thing

jade holly
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So Magnus and the TC are indeed the personification of the careless search for knowledge

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how likely would it be for a Daemon Primarch to say fuck it and try to become their own Chaos God?

outer wave
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How would Ahriman feel?

storm jungle
storm jungle
opaque coyote
storm jungle
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you need an entire half-a-galaxy's worth of worshippers

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lol

opaque coyote
storm jungle
opaque coyote
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Skarbrand did try

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uhhhhh

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didn't go so well

jade holly
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So what would happen if Perturabo went Daemon Primarch then? Since his whole thing seems to be about becoming more than he is

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or letting his full talents be realized rather than typecasted

opaque coyote
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So ironically, he has become typecasted

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he is a save

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*slave

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He is less than he was

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So yeah perty got fucked over

jade holly
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The Iron Lord has lost his humanity

opaque coyote
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perfectly grimdark

jade holly
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Much like their motto

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Perty is now

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Iron within, Iron without

opaque coyote
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It's sad

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It's also poetic

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A part of me wishes he wasn't

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But a part of me thinks that it is a perfect fate for him

jade holly
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A Primarch who wanted to be more than a siege master, to build beyond the battlefield, now a daemon of the very concept he despised

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What would he personify?

opaque coyote
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machines

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tanks

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irom

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and blood

jade holly
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Not that personify

opaque coyote
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Basically similar to the Devastator Virus that the Iron Warriors made

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Btw check this shit out

jade holly
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I mean what does he and the Iron Warriors personify in the name of human traits

opaque coyote
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sorry not devastator

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*obliterator

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it basically grows guns on you

jade holly
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I’ve seen this float around for how he’d look

IMG_9746.jpg
opaque coyote
opaque coyote
jade holly
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I find the Primarchs to be way cooler when you view them as cautionary tales more than actual characters in lore

opaque coyote
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Basically, Perty is the definition of

jade holly
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each one of them a warning to the aspects of man

opaque coyote
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"Made with blood and tears"

jade holly
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Sanguinius being the hubris of man

opaque coyote
storm jungle
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They arent deep characters.

opaque coyote
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Like part of the reason why they're terrifying is because they embody flaws

jade holly
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and how each one is a monster in some form

paper haven
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I know very little about the obliterator virus but what I do know is terrifying.

opaque coyote
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The infection comes in nine stages, leading from simple carriage to total absorption and the creation of a fully fledged Obliterator. The stages are:

Stage 1
No obvious effects but the victim is a carrier and can spread the disease to others.

Stage 2
The carrier now finds themselves to be more at home with weapons, his aim increases and the gun sits more naturally in his hands.

Stage 3
The carrier finds themselves merging with their weaponry if they hold it for long enough. They also start to generate ammunition for the weapon they are holding, a most disturbing development.

Stage 4
The victim is now in the very throes of Obliteratorhood, with their armour no longer being able to be removed and seems to be able to repair itself. They also find their movement to be impaired and their joints rearrange and meld with the metal of their armour and weapons.

Stage 5
By now, the victim finds they can absorb small weapons such as knives and pistols and then recreate them at their own will, but only in small numbers at a time. Their sanity is also impaired by now.

Stage 6
The victims' very flesh is now made into a daemonic melding of metal and skin which adds to their armour and allows the absorption of many more complex weapons. They no longer look like humans as their body has bulged in places where weapons have been absorbed.

Stage 7
The body increases in strength and fortitude in an attempt to counter the ever increasing weight of the body. This makes them terrifying opponents in close combat.

Stage 8
The victim can now create things other than weapons, including bionic limbs and organs. Their original body flesh and daemonic metal are no longer distinguishable.

Stage 9
The final stage sees the creature as a fully fledged Obliterator and can use the heaviest of weapons in order to destroy its enemies.

storm jungle
opaque coyote
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but I also like a bunch of comics in general

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so

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yeah

jade holly
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Yeah, but with good writing they could become something really cool imo

storm jungle
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their personalities formed from the planets they grew up on too

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so like nothing the Emperor really did stems from them

paper haven
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Guilliman is Captain America

jade holly
paper haven
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Post hydra arc

jade holly
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Perturabo is war Machine if he hated being in Tony’s shadow

storm jungle
jade holly
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Rogal Dorn is Iron Man

paper haven
opaque coyote
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in his life

paper haven
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They were all bad influences

opaque coyote
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The first one was the Witch King that constantly abused him verbally and physically

storm jungle
opaque coyote
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The Second one was the Emperor

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No need to explain why

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and the third one is Nurgle himself

jade holly
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And now Papa Nurgle

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We all love Papa Nurgle

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But I will say

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Iron Warriors looking cooler and cooler by the second

opaque coyote
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*cauldron

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which is in the garden

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bleh

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and essentially a single cut will infect you with like

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thousands of diseases at once

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But now I'm just thinking of

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"Hey grandpa, can I dip my scythe in the cauldron?"

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"Only a scytheful"

paper haven
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I think nurgle and mortarian outright hate each other

opaque coyote
jade holly
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We finally found someone Nurgle isn’t nice to even in a feigning niceties way

opaque coyote
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Mortarian basically accepted Nurgle's ""blessing"" because he literally had no choice

jade holly
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Mortarion is that much of a pathetic rat bastard

opaque coyote
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And even then he does the bare minimum

paper haven
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Mortarian definitely views his situation as suboptimal.

opaque coyote
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He also hates Typhus since ge's what caused his sons to uh

jade holly
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Meanwhile Typhus is having a fucking ball

opaque coyote
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suffer horribly

paper haven
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Typhus sold the legion out

opaque coyote
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meanwhile Nurgle loves Typhus

jade holly
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And Ku’Gath is in a jar or cocoon somewhere in timeout

paper haven
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I have no idea why any death guard actually like him

opaque coyote
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probably his favorite "child" tbh

opaque coyote
jade holly
opaque coyote
paper haven
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He's like Ahriman except it was on purpose

jade holly
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That makes them accept how they are tmk

jade holly
opaque coyote
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when they get that removed

jade holly
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he’s like Erebus but he’s a scythe wielding badass so he’s cool

opaque coyote
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they basically immediately become suicidal and suffer

opaque coyote
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literally and figuratively

paper haven
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Lords of silence seem pretty content

jade holly
opaque coyote
paper haven
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But they are definitely "Team Mortarian."

opaque coyote
jade holly
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I can totally see Morty going “fuck this” and rebel

opaque coyote
paper haven
# jade holly So Erebus

That's probably more accurate than I want to admit but still I hate Erebus more. He killed Argel Tal

opaque coyote
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He basically has trauma from psyker stuff

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Mainly because of his adoptive dad

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and how he uh

paper haven
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He fucking hates psykers

opaque coyote
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basically murdered everyone he cared about

jade holly
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Isn’t Typhus a Psyker too?

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Or is that a lie

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
paper haven
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I don't know if mortarian is a Psyker. But typhus definitely is

opaque coyote
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And it caused him to hate himself even more

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Especially since he was forced to use it

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Yeah, as you can clearly tell

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Man is in competition with fucking Angron for

jade holly
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Typhus is such an evil fucking bastard lmao

opaque coyote
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"I fucking hate myself, and I wish I could die but I can't"

paper haven
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I get the impression that most of the death guard are determined to out endure this whole nurgle thing

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Meanwhile Perty is trying to figure out how to kill the Autobo- I mean the Imperium

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Perturabo is literally Megatron and I won’t hear otherwise

paper haven
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Angron wants to die
Morty wants to not be himself
Perty is bitter because he went unrecognized
Fulgrim was recognized too much
Alpharius has a massive chip on his shoulder

jade holly
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Magnus was a dumbass

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Horus is dead Crab Rave

paper haven
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Magnus was stupid as fuck

jade holly
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Who am I missing

paper haven
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Horus is better off now

jade holly
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Oh yeah Konrad

paper haven
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Konrad is also better off

jade holly
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Konrad is a hypocritical piece of shit who is way too edgy for his own goodKEKW_ogryn

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But he’s also having an absolute fucking ball

opaque coyote
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Konrad died as he realized that his visions weren't set in stone

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and that he was wrong

jade holly
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Oh he’s dead?

opaque coyote
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yup

jade holly
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so much for having a ball

paper haven
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What? Yeah

opaque coyote
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got murdered

paper haven
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A human did it

jade holly
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That’s just sad

paper haven
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Cut his head off

jade holly
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How tf did he let that happen

opaque coyote
paper haven
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Basically right after the heresy

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Ferrus was a plot device for character development

paper haven
jade holly
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literally died to make another character feel something

opaque coyote
# jade holly How tf did he let that happen

Konrad Curze was eventually killed, assassinated by the Callidus M'Shen. He fully knew when he would be slain down to the annointed hour, and in the time before his death he conversed with a corpse-statue that he addressed as the Emperor. Suprisingly the corpse spoke back, and the Emperor apparently assured Curze that his insanity was never his fault and he had acted as intended until Chaos interfered. Curze broke down when the Emperor questioned his belief that fate was predetermined, stating that he himself had chosen this path. He tore the corpse-puppet to pieces, and it is unclear if it was actually the Emperor speaking or a mere hallucination. Thereafter he completed his memoirs, known as The Dark, hiding the book away within his fortress.[13d] Later that night it is believed the assassin M'Shen was allowed to infiltrate his palace on Tsagualsa, as she encountered no guards between herself and his throne room. Confronted with her, he simply said:

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"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your false Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication.

paper haven
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"The Emperor isn't great, look he lets me do this!"
Commits atrocities that dumbfound everyone.
Plus, I saw a vision that he would send an assassin to kill me!
Does everything in his power to ensure the Emperor sends an assassin.

opaque coyote
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The vid-log then shows M'Shen leaping forward, although the kill was never confirmed, as the video feed cuts out right before they fight. It is believed that Night Haunter allowed himself to be killed: he saw himself as a murderous and corrupt villain, the very thing he sought to destroy. Regardless, his final words are considered one of the great enigmas to the Imperium's history.

opaque coyote
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If Konrad somehow accidentally killed the assassin

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his visions were wrong

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everything he did was for nothing

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there was no truth

paper haven
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That would have been amazing

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Fuck you, Konrad

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I dislike Konrad because he had the most choice in his fate

arctic talon
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Konrad chose to be a doomer

paper haven
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He didn't even try to alter it. I don't think he even considered trying

arctic talon
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Yep

opaque coyote
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Talos grinds M'Shen into mince meat.

paper haven
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Spits into her face

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Turns out that was acid

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There's also Zho Sahaal. Interesting character.

opaque coyote
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However, the Eldar did interrupt the whole affair

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and nobody knows where his corpse went...

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...

paper haven
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Konrad is alive. Calling it now

opaque coyote
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I mean his head was actually successfully cut off

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so

paper haven
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Don't know how. Don't know why.

opaque coyote
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eh

paper haven
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But the Eldar did some bs and he's alive now

opaque coyote
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Imagine if Yvarine walks towards guilliman and is like

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"Oh yeah btw I revived Konrad."

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and Guilliman is just like

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"WHAT THE FU-"

paper haven
opaque coyote
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I mean she did manage to reverse the Rubric spell of all things

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Imagine if she just decided to revive Konrad

paper haven
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Nobody wants Konrad to be alive.

opaque coyote
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Actually it would be interesting now that I think about it.

paper haven
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Not a single person or even chaos god benefits from him existing

opaque coyote
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Like

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Aesthetic wise

paper haven
opaque coyote
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But it would be interesting to play around with him waking up and realizing that all of his visions?

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Horse shit

paper haven
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Suddenly the dark Eldar have two primarchs sneaking around camorragh

opaque coyote
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He was his own misery maker

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And unfortunately he's now alive to deal with the fact that he

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basically did everything

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for nothing at all

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everything he did was fucking meaningless

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he'd probably try to kill himself again

paper haven
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Yep, an ego death to rival the fall of the Eldar

opaque coyote
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Also it would just be entertaining to imagine Konrad and Yvarine...

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trying

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to interact with each other

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"Are you trying to kill yourself again?"

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"Yes."

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laugh track from the warp plays

paper haven
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That would be so painfully awkward

opaque coyote
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"After all the hours I took to fucking reattach your head also..."

opaque coyote
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Like a comedy

paper haven
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I'm here for it.

opaque coyote
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The Emissary of a Death God dealing with the Night Haunter

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who is also suicidial

opaque coyote
paper haven
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It's more possible than most other theories

opaque coyote
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The Night Lords series?

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Really good read

paper haven
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I've only read the Lord of Night, which follows Sahaal

opaque coyote
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yeah

paper haven
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A 30k night lord waking up in 40k and losing his shit over it

opaque coyote
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I can imagine a side plot where like Yvarine is like

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"Okay... so we can't get the FUCKING CRONESWORD."

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"How about we try something else."

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"Like what my lady?"

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"Reviving another primarch?"

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"WHY???"

paper haven
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"Psycho Batman"

opaque coyote
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"Besides he'd fit our aesthetic really well."

paper haven
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".... I don't want to do that..."

opaque coyote
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"I bet he'd be grateful being brought back to life!"

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like 10 years later

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"AAAAAAAAAAAAA-"

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"this may have been a mistake"

paper haven
#

The risk she took was calculated, but she is really bad at math

opaque coyote
#

sounds of several mental breakdowns happening at once in one mind

opaque coyote
#

uh

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forces

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idk maybe a primarch soul is a valuable step towards Ynnead

#

Also imagine her like

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Turning him off like a robot

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Like she just snaps her fingers and Konrad immediately collapses

paper haven
#

We know that the dead can be resurrected, it happens all the time

opaque coyote
#

Honestly since Yvarine was an Ex-Deldar

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Maybe she could make a contract with a Haemonculus

#

Those disgusting mfs

#

Like the coolest thing is that the Ynnari is essentially a collection of Deldar, craftworlders, and a couple of exodites

#

They had a gold mine for interesting story telling and characters

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...

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SO OF COURSE THEY RUINED IT.

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It's not like Xenos books are unpopular either. They were just

paper haven
#

Haemonculus literally clone people back to life it's definitely possible

opaque coyote
#

Shit

paper haven
#

Sure they do it for torture reasons but tomato/tomato

opaque coyote
#

Basically

#

"If you're good at something, never do it for free"

#

Also Fabius Bile also learned from them since they were impressed at how fucking evil he was

#

Gotta admit, if a Haemonculus admires how evil you are

paper haven
#

Sure, it requires trusting a haemonculus to keep their word.

opaque coyote
#

You're a really bad perosn

paper haven
#

Fabius bile is what harmunculi wish they could be

#

A main character

jade holly
#

Ofc he’s EC

paper haven
#

He's not just EC, he's THE EC

opaque coyote
paper haven
opaque coyote
#

They get pacts to revive somebody

#

They will do it as long as they get paid with more corpses to experiment on

#

If they don't consistently follow up on their deals

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They would have to

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work

#

To get their supply of slaves and lifeforms

#

Who wants to do that?

#

So to make sure they get a consistent supply

They make sure that they're the to go option for immortality

paper haven
#

Ohhhh alright that tracks

#

It also implies that Dark Eldar possess the ability to delay gratification for greater rewards down the line.

#

All forward movement is progress, I suppose

opaque coyote
#

Like they can pretty much look like anything

#

Most of the Deldar are actually terrified of them

paper haven
#

Haven't Harmunculi been let into the throne room on terra

opaque coyote
#

Yup

#

They did actually want to see the throne because

Big throne with a clone emperor suffering could power the Deldar civilization

#

Unfortunately

#

It turns out that the Golden Throne is what we like to call

#

"A fucking mess"

#

And they did not know how that shit worked

paper haven
#

How about that, the dark Eldar turned out to be untrustworthy WhO cOuLd HaVe GuEsSeD?

#

There's like, two people who can figure it out.
One is in the throne itself and the other broke it

opaque coyote
#

Apparently the Golden Throne is a mishmash of

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Several pieces of tech from several races

opaque coyote
#

He basically used it for his own purposes

#

But considering it can create an entire webway

paper haven
#

If I recall, he just basically barely got it to work

opaque coyote
#

It probably was originally old ones

opaque coyote
#

"Okay fuck, what can substitute for this part?"

#

shoves Blackstone inside

#

"That didn't work"

#

Honestly I now have the funny image of the Emperor desperately trying to stuff random parts in

arctic talon
opaque coyote
#

Hoping one would work

arctic talon
#

Unclear how much

#

But the modern literal chair you sit on itself is def of human make

opaque coyote
#

Oh yeah also fun fact

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The Emperor was apparently Alexander the Great

#

He apparently got bored and pretended to die

paper haven
#

That tracks

opaque coyote
#

But a funny quirk about Alexander is that

#

He loved his horse so much

#

He named multiple cities after him

#

So I wonder if the Emperor was like

paper haven
#

"He tried again in the early 1900s but that wasn't quite so successful."

opaque coyote
#

"Fuck I miss Bucephalus"

opaque coyote
paper haven
#

That definitely explains why the guys who made the Emperor TTS had the Emperor stand-in be in love with his horse

opaque coyote
#

Basically he thought that Humanity could continue forward safe and sound

#

...

#

And the Old Night came

paper haven
opaque coyote
#

Honestly I don't blame the Emperor for stepping up to rule because

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Old Night fucking sucked

#

I do blame literally everything else

arctic talon
opaque coyote
#

Basically. 95% of the Imperium's problems was because the Emperor was too busy speed running

#

And didn't stop once and consider

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"Maybe I shouldn't traumatize one of my sons"

#

Or

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"Maybe I shouldn't wipe out this civilization completely and instead ally with them."

opaque coyote
#

The Emperor talking with Malcador about like random bullshit that happened long ago

#

And the Primarchs that are there just being confused

#

"What is a Fortnite?"

frail tinsel
#

Why didn't the emperor expect horus to betray him, he literally named him "horus heresy" and expected him not to do a heresy?

#

That's like if I named my son "john murderer", taught him how to murder people and then got surprised when he killed someone

#

And even then why didn't he just read the books how did he not see this coming

normal stream
#

He wasn't named Horus Heresy LOL - he was Horus Lupercal

#

The Horus Heresy was named that after the fact.

opaque coyote
#

He was pretty Heresy

#

Horus was

frail tinsel
#

If you rearrange the letters in lupercal you get heresy

outer wave
#

His real name actually was Horus H. Lupercal

#

You can imagine what the H stands for

frail tinsel
#

He was lovingly nicknamed "horus "the heretic" heresy"

outer wave
#

Horus Horus

opaque coyote
#

Hey guys, the Horus Heresy situation is crazy!

opaque coyote
crisp heath
#

Warhammer: 40.000 Thousand

opaque coyote
#

Youtube still exists in 40k

#

but it's filled with slop and nothing else

outer wave
#

Now what if it were filled with Horus?

opaque coyote
#

skidibi emperor is considered the highest form of content

outer wave
#

40k propaganda for the kids

opaque coyote
#

there were children songs for crushing heretics underneath a tank

#

Actually y'know what, I'll make it up.
"The tracks on the baneblade go round and round, round and round, round and round!"

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"The tracks on the baneblade go round and round"

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"All throughout the Heretics!"

#

"The bolter in your hands go BLAM BLAM BLAM! BLAM BLAM BLAM! BLAM BLAM BLAM!"

#

"The bolter in your hands go BLAM BLAM BLAM!"

#

"All throughout the Xenos!"

outer wave
#

God and then they got the really weird kid animations with that song on 40k Youtube

opaque coyote
#

😭

outer wave
#

Ugh

opaque coyote
#

Truly, the 41st millenium is the darkest period in humanity's history

paper haven
#

Darkest period in humanity's history so far

normal stream
misty brook
#

If Magnus attacked Guilliman instead of Mortarion being the one. Would've he been redeemed by the Emperor or no?

red anvil
#

The legendary weapon. The Warhammer 40k

opaque coyote
#

By Feyn on Twitter:

dusk patrol
#

Yeah he’s done a bunch of pieces

opaque coyote
#

A poorly edited example

IMG_20241012_003646.jpg
#

He's just really mad that Fulgrim is enjoying a nice milkshake

lunar edge
#

why tf are the grey knights hunting the ynnari
[1:35 AM]
they helped us get guilliman back. ngl thats a bunch of fuck shit tbh

arctic talon
#

Also the ynnari are “Allies”

#

Sort of

#

Not really

#

There’s a lot of drukhari among them

lunar edge
#

makes me mad bro

lunar edge
crisp heath
#

I mean

#

They're the unified eldar faction

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Technically they'd be former drukhari but still

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Hell Yvraine spent most of her origin story in Comorragh

arctic talon
#

It’s like a 40% cwe 40% drukhari 20% whatever mix lol

#

And yeah yvraine was literally a succubus

#

When she was chosen by ynead

#

Now granted she was bleeding out on the floor of a comorroagh arena and regretting her life choices but still

#

The drukhari in the ynnari don’t need to torture people anymore

#

But a chunk of them are still like

#

Pieces of shit lol

#

The only eldar you won’t see among them is drukhari haemonculi

crisp heath
#

"I don't need to torture you. I just want to."

arctic talon
#

And I guess chaos eldar(all like 0 of them that exist)

arctic talon
#

Mfw a drukhari ynnari member tortured craftworld eldar ynnari members friend to death

tough haven
tough haven
#

Very slowly

low gazelle
#

cannonically

#

there is a copy of doom eternal

#

somwehre

#

well a chhance of

tough haven
#

Kinda thought you were just gotta stop at “somewhere there is a copy of doom eternal”

#

And I was gonna be like pogryn “No way!”

shell mason
jade holly
#

How well would the Doomslayer survive 40k

celest dome
#

Very well

jade holly
#

You know what would be hilarious actually?

shell mason
#

I take majorkills video of the Doom Guy verse a space marine with a grain of salt

jade holly
#

A game like Crossou- fuck that’s that Orkz game that came to PC

#

I was gonna say a game where you build stupid crap as an Admech

shell mason
#

Oof

jade holly
#

But the game is already Speed Demonz

#

Please bring that to console one day

#

it looks like fun

celest dome
jade holly
#

What other sort of games could be made that feature that other races as the playable characters?

#

Sims type game with Craftworld Eldar?

tough haven
jade holly
#

Noise Marine Guitar Hero

tough haven
#

If only we could custom build

celest dome
#

Tide game where you play as Ynnary
Tide game where you play as some Orks

jade holly
shell mason
jade holly
queen laurel
jade holly
#

Imagine a Darktide style horde game with Mad Max elements

tough haven
#

I want a fucking guard battlefield game, or a asymmetrical horror game where youre guard and there’s 1 lictor or something, or maybe multiple nids, but it plays like a hack and slash for the nid players, really capture the vibe difference

jade holly
tough haven
jade holly
tough haven
celest dome
jade holly
#

Give me my Papa Nurgle dating sim

tough haven
#

It’s gotta be like horrifying for the human players but really laid back as the nids

tough haven
celest dome
queen laurel
jade holly
#

Dakkatide is too close to Darktide

jade holly
#

Dakkatide or Waaghtide

queen laurel
jade holly
queen laurel
#

get zogged

jade holly
#

I have been bested by Cunning Brutal

celest dome
#

Still would prefer Dreadtide or Lustriatide

#

In fantasy

jade holly
#

Cryptide

#

Necron Tide game

#

Get losers off your lawn

queen laurel
jade holly
#

Wouldn’t AoS tide basically be Vermintide 3 but not against Skaven?

queen laurel
#

you can do so many things

jade holly
#

Never said it wouldn’t be pogryn

celest dome
#

VT3 being set in AoS would be a good way to have the U5 again, but restarting their journey and letting them build broader careers

jade holly
#

I just wish, above all else, to throw hands with a DG in Darktide as a raid boss before the next tide game comes out

#

Or we get a new faction of enemies maybe GSC

celest dome
#

NO CSM!

#

And no GSC angymorrow

queen laurel
celest dome
#

Could be one of the career

jade holly
queen laurel
#

average Fyreslayer hair

celest dome
#

Also a Arkanaut

jade holly
#

I know what I need

#

A beefy team player who can control hordes

celest dome
jade holly
#

anything fit that description

celest dome
#

Saltz would most likely be a Stormcast

#

So maybe him

queen laurel
jade holly
#

And yes you know where I’m going with this

celest dome
#

Yes

jade holly
#

no excuse to not throw hands against him

celest dome
#

All Deamons are in every setting

jade holly
#

Put him in the jar

queen laurel
celest dome
#

When do you think we will have Be'lakor in DT ?

rose thorn
queen laurel
#

seriously what the hell was he doing or planning to do on a group of five people that are in a constant state of grinding down rats

queen laurel
rose thorn
celest dome
queen laurel
crisp heath
#

i just got the game GTFO do any cool europeans want to play that with me tonight....

celest dome
#

Didn't really have much to do, so just tried to ammass power for the next game

#

Which happen to be AoS

queen laurel
celest dome
#

That's quite not that fair

near wasp
#

I've never heard of the ctan zarhulesh. Which one is that

celest dome
#

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zarhulash

Zarhulash

Zarhulash the Potentate is a C'tan.[1a]
Having since been enslaved by the Necrons, a shard of Zarhulash was used to power the Pharos on Sotha. In his conversations with Belisarius Cawl Zarhulash considers the C'tan the only true gods of the Galaxy. He considers the Chaos Gods mere etheric disturbances, the Machine God to be a lie, and the Emper...

#

Not much is known about it

shell mason
near wasp
#

Oh so he's just a random living ctan that they haven't flushed out

#

For a sec I thought it was the deceiver

celest dome
celest dome
#

Not intact one

near wasp
#

I mean yeah

#

Technically I think it's a transcendent shard

shell mason
# celest dome Most likely can.

You literally have Warframes that can freeze you solid. So much that your skin turns blue and you shatter into pieces when he hits you

celest dome
#

Yes ? And I said that a Warframe and Doomguy would certainly kill SM without much issue

near wasp
#

Doomguy would flatten a marine

shell mason
#

Ik was just stating a point

jade holly
#

The more i watch 40k in 40 minutes the more i want a Battlefied/Battlefront game for 40k

celest dome
#

Scope would be difficult, unless they keep it to Imperium/Chaos only

leaden pilot
#

I would be just happy with a Guard vs Traitor Guard game
Especially if we got a few diffetent theaters, like idk, a few maps from the Siege of Vraks, a few from the Sabbat Worlds crusade, a few from random guard battles
And make it work like BF 1 operations mode

jade holly
#

Like those naval battles but in space fights that Star Wars does

celest dome
#

As often as needed

jade holly
#

Make that a mode

#

Warp battles pogryn

leaden pilot
#

I'm not the best person to ask this, but I'd imagine that Imperium vs Heretics don't happen that often, unless it's a black crusade or something

celest dome
#

Happen as often as the narrative need it

#

And most Theatres of war happen without any or limited SM involvemen

crisp heath
#

so it didn´t only happen during black crusades

crisp heath
jade holly
gray umbra
#

Eh it would be weird if a chapter just provided a single tactical marine

opaque coyote
#

Like idk

#

Dreadnought

#

Terminator

gray umbra
#

Maybe a squad is lent to a regimental colonel for some reason

opaque coyote
#

Custodes if you're feeling extra lore breaking today

gray umbra
#

Like a dark angel squad volunteering but then disappearing mid battle because they were really there to track a fallen

opaque coyote
#

I mean Battlefront 2 can have you play as fucking Darth Vader lmao

#

So the only thing that is really off the table is like

#

The Emperor

#

Or any of the dead/traitor primarchs

gray umbra
#

Marneus calgar has taken the field

opaque coyote
#

I mean tbh even if they were like

#

Glorified Skins

#

That would still be really cool y'know

gray umbra
#

I deploy soap mctavish

opaque coyote
jade holly
opaque coyote
#

Like the Orks would summon Ghazghkull

#

And the Deldar, if we ever get them,

#

Would probably summon a Haemonculi

#

Since those mother fuckers literally get stabbed and be like

#

"Wow that was so brave of you "

#

Oh yeah and Craftworld Eldar would summon a Phoenix Lord

#

Or maybe an Avatar of Khaine

#

But the size difference might be too hard to code

#

So probably Phoenix lord

sacred ginkgo
#

The avatar of khaine once again getting annihilated by some shitter with a melta

opaque coyote
#

Jokes aside, an Avatar of Khaine is like

#

The size of a house

#

Probably bigger

#

So it would be hard to play as

sacred ginkgo
#

So is a tank

opaque coyote
#

Since it would be bigger than all the other champions

#

So maybe a Phoenix Lord

#

Who are

#

Arguably more mogged than the Avatar of Khaine

#

Like lore wise, they're supposed to be in-between Custodes and Primarchs in strength

#

But they get treated like cannon fodder at times

#

Hell some of them are literally

#

As old enough to see the Fall

#

Some of these mfs were alive during the Eldar Empire

#

They are considered Old

#

By Eldar standards

jade holly
arctic talon
#

It also was magically immune to a lot of weird stuff since it was immune to flamer templates

#

And not actually flamers

opaque coyote
#

the Avatar of Khaine literally bleeds molten bronze

#

It would 100% be heat resistant

dusk patrol
#

There is limits though

opaque coyote
#

it's like using a flamethrower against lava

#

it wouldn't do shit

#

Meltas maybe hot enough to do damage?

#

Not sure

arctic talon
#

It’s more funny when tyranid bio acid and psyker rock powers

#

Don’t do anything

#

Because they both use the flamer template

opaque coyote
#

evaporated

arctic talon
#

Yeah but it’s special acid

opaque coyote
#

but it's still acid

#

as for rock powers

#

uhhh

#

what do the psykers do earthbending or something?

arctic talon
#

Yes

#

Literally throwing giant rocks

opaque coyote
#

slice through it like it's an anime

arctic talon
#

I think my point is the rule was kind of weird

#

Lol

opaque coyote
#

true

rose thorn
#

Huh I wonder what the answer is…

outer wave
#

Not a culture war video
Talks if the Imperium is fascist
Bruh

rose thorn
#

I’m giving him a pass because I like chronos

#

But still

outer wave
#

Its still kinda dumb to say ITS NOT CULTURE WAR and not realize the topic in context with current events

rose thorn
dusk patrol
#

I wouldn’t really say they’re fascist but by the internet’s definition of “authoritarian/I don’t like it = Fascism” sure I guess

rose thorn
#

Still it’s weird to say that

dusk patrol
#

They also don’t need to be fascist to be evil

outer wave
dusk patrol
#

6.1k views?

IMG_5627.png
#

I don’t even look at the description for less than 100k smh

jade holly
dusk patrol
#

There’s some fascist elements for sure and extreme authoritarianism but it’s more a feudal theocratic state

jade holly
#

More than anything it’s modeled after the Roman Empire

#

with a dash of HRE

dusk patrol
#

It’s too strung out to be fascist really

#

But fascist is the buzzword of this decade so

storm jungle
#

I mean its still pretty fascist, calling it a "buzzword" is pretty weird too.

storm jungle
forest orbit
#

The "its too varied to be fascist" thing is probably one of the dumbest arguments i hate the most about this topic.

storm jungle
#

Its mostly just strawmanning tbh, idk why people insist that point when the larger body of government is super evil and does shit all fascist soceities do

forest orbit
#

It kinda feels more like reaching to me honestly. "Oh it has other forms of rulershi-" okay but like again, no lol

jade holly
#

Like I said, it’s basically a turbo Roman Empire

forest orbit
#

Not really.

#

the roman elements are too loose

#

its still massively fascist, down to shit like "genetic purity" and the extermination of "undesirables"

jade holly
#

What empire would you compare it to?

forest orbit
jade holly
#

the may even try to kill the precious Oggies if they weren’t of use

forest orbit
#

Pretty much.

jade holly
#

Who would hurt an Oggy?

forest orbit
#

They call them "abnormal" humans instead of "sub" human for uh reasons 💀

storm jungle
#

The word "subhuman" does get tossed around in some books and games but its pretty bad so abhuman is the better alternative ye lol

jade holly
#

Better than Abomination

forest orbit
#

Idk man the darktide zealots say that enough as is

#

same with "freak" KEKW_ogryn

jade holly
#

The Zealots are prejudiced against everyone even other Zealots

#

if you have less faith than them they will harass you, even if you actually have more because God Emperor forbid someone praises him more than you

deft shale
#

Faith is like the Zealot's social credit

jade holly
#

And their coke

forest orbit
jade holly
#

give the Zealot a minigun and I’m sure he’d be the last one standing

deft shale
#

They can never know how much more Ogryns love big E than them

forest orbit
#

other zealots/their askew views kinda come later

deft shale
#

It would shatter their whole reality

forest orbit
#

pretty much like real religion tbh

#

and I saw this as a jew lol

jade holly
#

Meanwhile Admech are doing whatever the fuck it is they do with their machines

#

All I remember are those stupid walkers that can’t be turned off or else they’ll stop working forever so they tie them to a post and have them run around in circles

jade holly
viral halo
#

Someone say fascism

forest orbit
#

Yeah im not really a religious person either but uh 💀

viral halo
#

I’m a bit of an expert on the topic

storm jungle
low gazelle
#

wait ahh man

jade holly
viral halo
jade holly
low gazelle
#

I missed thee doom slayer hypothetical

storm jungle
low gazelle
#

Drop doom slayer in the warp

jade holly
viral halo
deft shale
forest orbit
#

what about Batman: Holy Terror

storm jungle
#

LMAO

#

God that comic is fucking crazy

viral halo
low gazelle
jade holly
#

I really do want some form of Admech character in the game

forest orbit
#

Best I can do is uhhhh

#

idk cosmetic mod

jade holly
#

is there anything that could work

#

A Skitarii?

low gazelle
#

combat admech class

#

would ggo insaneely hard

storm jungle
#

its not impossible

#

just a lot of work

jade holly
#

Would they be the most support of the classes?

#

With servitor drones and whatnot?

storm jungle
#

Techpriests can usually do any combat role, it kinda just depends on what type you want.

forest orbit
#

Yeah i was gonna say, not sure what they'd do with the game

storm jungle
#

A lot of people have been theorizing stuff but like yea its all guesswork

forest orbit
#

a techpriest reject is also kinda weird tbh

#

I dunno how you'd do it

storm jungle
#

More or less.

#

I pity whoever has to record all those voicelines 💀

forest orbit
jade holly
#

They could always say instead of having them be prisoners they’re a sect of Admech tech priests who were opted into the Inquisiton

storm jungle
#

Yeah thats a thing too but again, too much guesswork

#

it can be kinda any implementation

#

im still surprised they havent done any DLC for the game yet lol

forest orbit
#

Same honestly, where does this game make that much money anyway?

storm jungle
#

Uhhh

jade holly
#

I really hope they do add at least one new class before the next tide game

storm jungle
#
  • MTX shop sales
  • Actually buying the game
#

otherwise every single content drop is free so lol

forest orbit
#

Lol ye i forgot

jade holly
storm jungle
forest orbit
jade holly
#

But I think my desired Admech class is the overall foundation is a utility class using servitors as the blitzes each with a unique function

#

Then have each combat ability focus on a different type of Admech unit

#

Only issue is