but DOOM and Magneto
#40k-lore-chat
viral halo
crisp heath
Doom is a front character tbg and I'm glad he survived multiple authors
dusk patrol
It’s offensive to do so imo since then it’s a cartoon
crystal forum
is he crying because he didn't think to hijack a plane
viral halo
Doom 2099 is goated
dusk patrol
You’re using the holocaust to write a cartoon
dusk patrol
He was crying because he was gonna destroy the twin towers that week
And they beat him to it
dusk patrol
It’s so bad and tone deaf
crystal forum
it's like they try to make it softer instead of harder. there's no way to make nazis more evil because you can't show that shit on tv
crisp heath
I have a hot take
dusk patrol
Just have it be heroes jfc
viral halo
This also was right when Frank Miller went on his anti islamic rant and the other big comic authors told him to take a break
I imagine he read that comic
and it broke him
dusk patrol
it's like they try to make it softer instead of harder. there's no way to make n...
Well also like, it makes them into cartoon villains
They were people
They were normal people who became monsters a lot of times
crisp heath
"Charnel houses of Europe" was good because it in no way suggests nazism is good, it does not deny the holocaust, but it allows us to explore that event as historical
dusk patrol
When you have the dude execute his family and friends immediately without thinking it’s not some “oh Nazis are messed up”
crisp heath
It's no worse than something set in ww2
crystal forum
Well also like, it makes them into cartoon villains
yeah that's true too. the craziest part of the nuremburg trials is how many officers didn't even care
dusk patrol
It’s “I’m watching a goofy cartoon”
This isn’t a real character it’s something some English major from cali thinks of
viral halo
Remember that modelling and paint company fucking uhhh AK interactive making the MODEL THE HOLOCAUST books LMAO
rose thorn
Vlad, the old metal one, is like 30 bucks, that’s because his plastic model is still being made. Lugft is like 150 bucks lmao
dusk patrol
Remember that modelling and paint company fucking uhhh AK interactive making the...
That is hilarious ngl
viral halo
Vlad, the old metal one, is like 30 bucks, that’s because his plastic model is s...
Vladdy daddy never had a plastic model?
looks like he's going for 50-100 USD in the US for metal or finecast
rose thorn
Vladdy daddy never had a plastic model?
My bad I got him mixed up with uh
viral halo
Damn my collection is worth a ton
rose thorn
Fuck face
viral halo
I should sell lugft huron
rose thorn
The shadow king
rose thorn
Yeah
viral halo
Woke von carstein
rose thorn
I should sell lugft huron
He would be awesome for ktibashes tbh
Do you play a specific chapter?
Or legion
viral halo
Do you play a specific chapter?
I have blood angels, dark angels, ultramarines, deathwatch uhhhhhhhhhh
crystal forum
Damn my collection is worth a ton
models going up in price over time so buying old shit is impossible 😭
viral halo
models going up in price over time so buying old shit is impossible 😭
I usually just type "warhammer lot" on ebay and sort by ending soonest at around 2am or 3am and buy up all the rare models and put them into storage
same thing with comics
crystal forum
people are selling their 10 year old models painted with no thinning at like 50% upsell
rose thorn
I’m tempted to buy a load of first born and make it into HH
crystal forum
there's no mark 7's in HH
rose thorn
But also idk who I’d play
slate geode
"beginners guide" bruh thats a 2 hour long video
rose thorn
there's no mark 7's in HH
A space marine is a space marine is a space marine
No one cares
rose thorn
unless you use purely beakies
Also beakies are available in bulk on eBay
rose thorn
I will
viral halo
I have a disgusting amount of beakies
rose thorn
Beakies are my fav
viral halo
and horus the warmaster
and some praetors
My sons of horus are pretty dope but I haven't painted one in like 3 years
rose thorn
and some praetors
I hate gw keeps giving different settings the same names for shit
viral halo
rose thorn
Idk what chapter I would do
crystal forum
Idk what chapter I would do
they all suck
viral halo
they need to remake mark 4 plastic
seriously, it's the most common armor mk during the heresy and barely represented
crystal forum
i dislike all the founding chapters except iron hands
viral halo
Not to mention how every red scorpions player would buy the mk 4 in bulk
crystal forum
seriously, it's the most common armor mk during the heresy and barely represente...
it's available as online only shitty small plastic
crystal forum
i just want mark 2 because i like early great crusade
viral halo
A great crusade box of marines and auxlia versus eldar or orks would be funny
crystal forum
im in desperate need for great crusade lore
gray umbra
Need more topknots
rose thorn
what did i miss
oh yeah for hh, waht the fuck do the wings on teh armor mean again? i comeptlely forgto
crystal forum
oh yeah for hh, waht the fuck do the wings on teh armor mean again? i comeptlely...
what wings
crystal forum
yes believe it or not but HH lets space marines be something other than ultramarines
crystal forum
default models like mark 6 and mark 3 dont have any insignia
mark 3 is completely smooth
it's part of why i like it so much
rose thorn
Do they have a meaning? I swore somewhere it was supplied to be like
An honor or whatever ver
i know nothing of like
the minute stuff of hh
minor(
not minute
storm jungle
"beginners guide" bruh thats a 2 hour long video
Homie has to milk that slop
dusk patrol
@viral halo how the hell
Did the Joker 2 cost 190 million
There’s no way they didn’t money launder some of that
storm jungle
Indoctrination 💀
arctic talon
Indoctrination 💀
You will learn the 40k lore
storm jungle
I have learned enough and argued with enough space marine fans for it to last me a lifetime believe me
arctic talon
I have learned enough and argued with enough space marine fans for it to last me...
At least luetin is accurate smh
Maybe he will cure the mental disease
That is meme lore
storm jungle
LOL
celest dome
with his braindead "headcannons"
Any example ?
arctic talon
Oh that’s right my bad
storm jungle
Any example ?
His warp video is prob the worst one. He just says hes gonna use quantum physics and other sciences to explain it.
And the video turns to an absolute nightmare
he genuinely loves the sound of his own voice
arctic talon
storm jungle
i loved the "I know this lore is unexplainable but im gonna explain it anyway."
sounds like my asshole uni professor
languid meadow
Hmm today I will use real life physics to comprehend the incomprehensible
dusk patrol
I wish more people would come in talking about quantum physics and the warp instead of
“Alpharius huhuhuhu”
“Orks I’m a tank”
“When is Clonegrim back?”
“Rylanor so based!”
arctic talon
Real
storm jungle
If I see another rylanor post im gonna go full postal
dusk patrol
Or my favorite, the person who apparently has never heard of Google or any web search
And must instead exclusively learn information from discord
arctic talon
I like how her lower face looks like skin but is just half bronze
low gazelle
dusk patrol
These people are apparently common
storm jungle
Or my favorite, the person who apparently has never heard of Google or any web s...
No offense to them but the one I hate the most is
Wants to know lore
Is told to go to the lexi for the most niche/general ass question ever
Says "no I wanna learn it here"
fuck sakes
low gazelle
LOL
dusk patrol
Endless questions
arctic talon
https://tenor.com/view/rylanors-simp-gif-26967871
celest dome
Honestly the only way to 'explain' Warp travel is to consider that it's not based on physics, it's not even like Minecraft's Hell travel (which still is proportional), but rather act like fay pathes
storm jungle
genuinely makes me understand why teachers hit people
dusk patrol
“Explain the heresy to me”
dusk patrol
Well Its a 54 book series
arctic talon
genuinely makes me understand why teachers hit people
My cousins teachers in Japan and Taiwan beating them for getting a B
Truly peak
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491
arctic talon
Short stories
low gazelle
Garage sales go hard
arctic talon
Money
arctic talon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1267302987563532430/Un...
Mine now
low gazelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1267302987563532430/Un...
Whatd rylanor do to you
storm jungle
made that awhile ago
storm jungle
Whatd rylanor do to you
Be an annoying overrated fuck
dusk patrol
Whatd rylanor do to you
He’s so overdone
winter vessel
like the burning of monarchia
dusk patrol
It’s an ok short and it’s just become a whole thing because shitty TikToks and whatever make endless shorts on “OMG BASED RYLANOR SO CHAD”
low gazelle
dusk patrol
Hhe threw a virus bomb at his dad tho...
Yeah and he fucked that up
low gazelle
Yeah and he fucked that up
we dont talk about that
dusk patrol
He only “won” cause some thousand son was a huge bitch
rocky gale
No offense to them but the one I hate the most is
>Wants to know lore
>Is told ...
How many warhammers does the Emperor own?
dusk patrol
And had a “are we the baddies” moment
languid meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1269480886596931604/im...
Nooooo not the Baldwin edit
arctic talon
How many warhammers does the Emperor own?
Prolly like 10
low gazelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1269480886596931604/im...
Lore masters on reddit post looking for the ignorant
arctic talon
At least
celest dome
How many warhammers does the Emperor own?
The real Emperor has at least 1
arctic talon
Holy based
rocky gale
Prolly like 10
One for each hand?
arctic talon
One for each hand?
Nah that’s 4
storm jungle
Lore masters on reddit post looking for the ignorant
They will be exterminated and culled.
low gazelle
I wonder if the imperium has self help therapy books 🤣
arctic talon
Prolly
celest dome
They *will* be exterminated and culled.
Will they be missed.
low gazelle
side note are there any othher books on astral kniigghhts
low gazelle
Thhey are now my fav
arctic talon
Like
winter vessel
I despise tiktok, think I'm the only one in my work team that doesn't have it they always say "Have you seen that tiktok?" I'm like buddy, I grew up on the Skype since its inception.
storm jungle
I despise tiktok, think I'm the only one in my work team that doesn't have it th...
I dont have Tiktok, Instagram or any cringe ass social-circlejerk app
low gazelle
I dont have Tiktok, Instagram or any cringe ass social-circlejerk app
BBased
dusk patrol
I only have Instagram to tell Todd Philips Joker 2 sucks
storm jungle
LOL
arctic talon
storm jungle
Im already just "not recommend" any Joker 2 post i see because people are gonna milk this movie's failure to eternity
low gazelle
I literally only have discord and instagram. IG is only thhere cause it came pre installed 😭
winter vessel
I dont have Tiktok, Instagram or any cringe ass social-circlejerk app
2nd one was a necessity, as my High School track group mainly discussed our schedules on that app, from our couch
low gazelle
Transormers one!!!
storm jungle
I love this movie
dusk patrol
Transformers One was good
dusk patrol
Story about how a gay couple tears a planet apart
low gazelle
They took a few pages from youtubers 
dusk patrol
I liked the part where they get the better chest nuts and got bigger
low gazelle
MINERS
dusk patrol
That was cool
languid meadow
Story about how a gay couple tears a planet apart
Ah yes the side plot of the infinite and the divine
storm jungle
I loved the part where the crowd went "HES A MINER"
low gazelle
Dude
dusk patrol
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformers-one-bye-chat-orion-pax-transfor...
nothing complex or deep, its just a classic entertaining movie. we don't need another "The Catcher in the Rye" level of brainrot
dusk patrol
My nephew saw it with me and he was like “Oh his eyes are red is he evil now”
low gazelle
because im a socially awkward turtle as my friend likes to describe
storm jungle
My nephew saw it with me and he was like “Oh his eyes are red is he evil now”
Megatron/Decepticons is great if like
you just wanna explain what chaos is like
lol
low gazelle
you just wanna explain what chaos is like
I GOT TO SEE THE COMIC CON PANEL FFOR THAT MOVIE
languid meadow
dusk patrol
I do appreciate they show he was always prone to overreacting and bad choices and it got worse as time went on
storm jungle
Yeah it really actually made me sad even when you know going into it Megatron is gonna snap.
low gazelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967102699789221918/1291539665332998154/yo...
Nice try diddy
dusk patrol
Also Tyree and Hemsworth voice acting changing their voices each time to become closer to the originals was very well done
storm jungle
people forget the entire war for cybertron since the 90's was a literal civil war and the Decepticons actually fucking won it
on the surface tho ye its "bad vs good robots"
low gazelle
people forget the entire war for cybertron since the 90's was a literal civil wa...
I really wanted a live action
storm jungle
Same but we cant have it all
low gazelle
showing the downfall
winter vessel
I really wanted a live action
we got 2 minutes of that in Dark of the Moon, but eh
dusk patrol
It’s really Steve Buscemi bot vs everyone else
arctic talon
Just saying
dusk patrol
Yeah there’s a reason it’s like this sadly
As much as I get why people want a Cybertron movie
low gazelle
Same but we cant have it all
think if we had game of thrones (aside from final season), but cybertron
dusk patrol
There’s a reason we got human characters
arctic talon
As much as I get why people want a Cybertron movie
$$$$$
storm jungle
Yeah i think it being showed less is better. It makes it a lot more impactful and badass.
low gazelle
HOLY SH
dusk patrol
CGI is expensive
storm jungle
like
the HH does this too
you eventually will get bored of Marines fighting
its why these human side-characters exist
for better or for worse lmao
in visual media its even harder because MONEEEEEY
storm jungle
Look trucks are cool
winter vessel
haha, all this talk reminds of the Worst Transformers names.
storm jungle
DONT DO IT
dusk patrol
It’s science, the peak transformer body is semi
winter vessel
i ain't gonna say it, just post their picture
dusk patrol
Hopefully next movie we’ll get more Warcrimes Optimus
winter vessel
dusk patrol
low gazelle
Hopefully next movie we’ll get more Warcrimes Optimus
I wanna see prime prime
the warcrime optimus
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-optimus-prime-ill-kill-you-give-me-your-face...
Sibling bonding be like:
dusk patrol
“Autobots, the Geneva convention doesn’t apply to robots!”
low gazelle
for children
languid meadow
dusk patrol
Executions are actually cool and based sometimes
low gazelle
Optimus casually carrying every fight like hhes a ogryn in darktide
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
this scene is so fucking hilarious and i feel bad for anyone that thinks its sad
languid meadow
I need to find the dodgeball version of this scene
dusk patrol
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
When I hear my friend say "What the sigma" in public "you didn't betray me...you betrayed yourself"
low gazelle
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
Wait the cakes a lie?
"Always has been" ahhhh scene
low gazelle
dude its just so hilarious
dusk patrol
War for Cybertron taught Optimus that taking prisoners is for bitches
low gazelle
NO OPTIMUS DONT WARCRIME
dusk patrol
Ok now I love Keegan Michael Key…..but…..I can’t wait for Bee’s voice box to get fucked up
They keep making jokes about it
low gazelle
No little german boy dont join the black templars!
languid meadow
winter vessel
its thanks to Transformers that I discovered Stan Bush's music
languid meadow
found it
dusk patrol
Also Starscreams voice being because Megatron choked a bitch is hilarious
low gazelle
Optimus is just that old grandpa with a shotgun on his lawn and just waiting for a kid to take one step so he can blast him
hallow plover
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
Michael Bay can't restrain himself from putting explosions even in an execution
dusk patrol
Transformers are made of 60% explosives
languid meadow
tbf it's a big ass robot
hallow plover
Autobots pls
dusk patrol
Also Optimus having a fucking execution shotgun
hallow plover
That's racist
low gazelle
tbf it's a big ass robot
yea but unless they ammo rack them. there shouldnt be an explosion unless they are usingg APHE rounds
low gazelle
OMG BIGG EXPLOSION
storm jungle
Should have had him slowly load the shells in
I do love how Optimus goes from like
noble knight
to
low gazelle
YAAAAAY!
storm jungle
space marine chapter master
fucking ripping open dude's faces
💀
"I RISE. YOU FALL."
opaque coyote
I do love how Optimus goes from like
It is an unintentional character arc
hallow plover
I haven't followed the transformer movies. Isn't Optimus a good guy?
storm jungle
LOL
low gazelle
💀
im surprised the decepticons dont just stomp on humans like in sm2 where u just squish them
dusk patrol
Yes the guys he’s killing are dorks so it’s ok
storm jungle
im surprised the decepticons dont just stomp on humans like in sm2 where u just ...
its mostly for ratings
but uh
they do REALLY violently kill some people
hallow plover
I just remember young shia laboeuf, megan fox and the robot with wrecking balls as testicles
low gazelle
Use it wisely
storm jungle
remember that one decepticon in Bumblebee who fucking shoots a innocent person with a microwave gun
and he just explodes to goo
opaque coyote
LOL
Basically, Optimus went from trying to be optimistic and staying to his creed
To basically realizing that's not working. Especially since both the deceptions and humans are after all.
Also he gets betrayed by his comrades a lot.
storm jungle
"Hm I like how they pop."
dusk patrol
low gazelle
OH YEA
low gazelle
Wait
dusk patrol
He’s just uh
opaque coyote
Basically, Optimus went from trying to be optimistic and staying to his creed
T...
It's 100% not intentional which is funny
low gazelle
where does the ammo come from
dusk patrol
Maybe a bit toooo extra and vicious lol
opaque coyote
But it also ironically shows a progression
To somebody sick of the war between deceptions and autobots
Who wants it all to end
opaque coyote
Yeah like I said
storm jungle
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/revenge-of-the-fallen-transformers-rotf-optimus-prime-starscream-gif-27193767
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/revenge-of-the-fallen-transformers-rotf-optimus-prime-sta...
favorite scene in the 2nd film
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
He should have said “Live Long and Prosper”
Why not
storm jungle
needs a "motherfucker" or "cocksucker" at the end
dusk patrol
“Does Optimus have to choke a bitch?”
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-265...
Honestly with all the shit the Autobots go through
I wasn't too surprised
storm jungle
they basically get genocided to near-extinction across like 2-3 movies
storm jungle
Ironhide was a true lad
opaque coyote
Well Sentinel did jsut kill Ironhide so
Exactly. Ironhide was like Optimus's mentor
storm jungle
he got hit with the rust-gun
opaque coyote
He basically got his life long friend and father figure fucking murdered
arctic talon
Fun fact
storm jungle
Yeah he literally fucking dies grasping his body parts
dusk patrol
Oh yeah I forgot that
opaque coyote
Yeah he literally fucking dies grasping his body parts
Again, I like to think that Optimus's brutality is literally just him finally snapping
dusk patrol
And then he drops a hard R
storm jungle
💀
opaque coyote
Optimus had enough
dusk patrol
Again, I like to think that Optimus's brutality is literally just him finally sn...
In the context of the movie it makes more sense
opaque coyote
id do the same
Honestly I kinda want to see more war crime Optimus
dusk patrol
Sentinel does a huge betrayal and is gonna kill everyone
dense dawn
dusk patrol
And then he’s begging
opaque coyote
Like
As an actual character arc too
It would be interesting
The Transformer comics themselves are surprisingly interesting
dense dawn
There are transformer comics?
arctic talon
yeah
dense dawn
Since when
dusk patrol
There’s transformers everything
dense dawn
I feel so stupid rn
opaque coyote
the IDW ones?
IDW
I mean it's weird to think that Megatron is essentially robot Karl Marx.
storm jungle
Transformers isnt a big IP juggernaut like star trek or star wars or w/e the fuck
but like its incredibly famous as a toyline
arctic talon
the most loved one is like 2005 IDW?
opaque coyote
multiple comic runs
And also multiple shows
dusk patrol
IDW
I mean it's weird to think that Megatron is essentially robot Karl Marx.
Please, Megatron does was more than Marx ever did
dusk patrol
Don’t give Marx that credit
arctic talon
and child soldiers
dusk patrol
Dude was a loser
low gazelle
and child soldiers
MINERS!
opaque coyote
Please, Megatron does was more than Marx ever did
Yeah Megatron's backstory is genuinely interesting to me.
Essentially a rebel leader turned evil
arctic talon
dense dawn
and child soldiers
Child soldiers❌
INFANTry✅
opaque coyote
Child soldiers❌
INFANTry✅
Cherub moment
rose thorn
What the fuck is this
arctic talon
Thank you IDW
arctic talon
What the fuck is this
A decepticon feeding another decepticon his own brains
for "betraying" megatron
dense dawn
Oh this is fucked up
rose thorn
A decepticon feeding another decepticon his own brains
Oh this ain’t transformer bdsm?
opaque coyote
A decepticon feeding another decepticon his own brains
Yeah Warcrime Optimus didn't come out of nowhere
dense dawn
Bro's face is the decepticon logo...
arctic talon
Bro's face is the decepticon logo...
Yes
opaque coyote
"If it's a robot, it's okay to gore it even for kids!"
arctic talon
Tarn is such an edgy character
it loops back around to being cool in a like wtf way
dense dawn
"If it's a robot, it's okay to gore it even for kids!"
It has blue blood so it's not actual blood
arctic talon
literal number 1 megatron fanboy
dense dawn
Duh
opaque coyote
MCU Iron Man 2 probably has one of my favorite fight scene
arctic talon
renamed himself Tarn after a decepticon city
low gazelle
Child soldiers❌
INFANTry✅
Krieg:
opaque coyote
Because of the oil splatter acting as blood
arctic talon
and also ends up trying to kill Megatron in the comics
dense dawn
I'm confused on starscream
dense dawn
Like he's a megatron boot licker but will betray him in a heartbeat as well
opaque coyote
when megatron gives up
Honestly I was surprised at Megatron actually just straight up giving up
Like
"Holy shit-"
opaque coyote
I'm confused on starscream
There is an adaptation of Star scream from a transformers anime that actually makes him have a character and an entire redemption arc
low gazelle
At the panel the biggest and hardest thhing for them to do was make optimus and megatron fallingg out feel natural
Just like in real life
opaque coyote
It's actually my 2nd favorite Starscream overall
low gazelle
I havent watched the movie yet
opaque coyote
Nothing can beat the first one though
dense dawn
There is an adaptation of Star scream from a transformers anime that actually ma...
Starscream and redemption don't fit in the same sentence dawg... It just feels weird
low gazelle
but they showed a lot
arctic talon
Like he's a megatron boot licker but will betray him in a heartbeat as well
starscream is weird
he's just motivated in like
his own postion of power lol
opaque coyote
starscream is weird
The anime one is even weirder
Basically they threw away the whole betrayal thing
He is
gasp
opaque coyote
Actually loyal???
arctic talon
W
dusk patrol
I feel like starscream could be racist if he wanted to
arctic talon
Minus the racism
he's not racist in the IDW comics funnily enough
dense dawn
I feel like starscream could be racist if he wanted to
I can see that yeah
languid meadow
Starscream seems like the type of person to dox others
opaque coyote
I think literally any transformer can be racist if they want
I mean wasn't the entire war in the first place essentially caused by racism?
dusk patrol
My favorite thing was when starscream was insanely powerful as a ghost
dusk patrol
And then he gives it up for his new body and then doubles crosses Unicron
For no reason
dense dawn
Racism and classism
My favorite 🗿
arctic talon
I mean wasn't the entire war in the first place essentially caused by racism?
idk depends on the setting lol
there's like
so many different ones
dusk patrol
dense dawn
So do y'all prefer bayverse shock wave or OG
dusk patrol
Often Optimus wants a peaceful transfer of power and Megatron wants revenge and control
And yeah
arctic talon
ironic in that megatron in the IDW comics was sucessful in causing change
even if he ended up deciding it was too slow and the whole system should be torn down from the top to bottom
opaque coyote
Yeah I found it interesting that Optimus was basically the bad guy originally
arctic talon
he didn't though
dusk patrol
Megatron was always pretty unhinged
opaque coyote
I mean he worked for the government
dusk patrol
Megatrons solutions were always destructive and just with him in charge
arctic talon
that doesn't mean he didn't try to tear down the system
dusk patrol
Optimus wanted to fix the system and maintain the peace
dusk patrol
He wasn’t interested in settling scores
arctic talon
on like how it works
but Megatron is also full of anger and hate for very justifable reasons
opaque coyote
Megatrons solutions were always destructive and just with him in charge
Yeah I think some iterations of Optimus had it so that he had blind faith in the system at the beginning
But then changed to
"Yeah we need to fix this"
dusk patrol
Yeah but the point is Optimus had a much more level head always
opaque coyote
True
dusk patrol
Megatron ultimately always gets too concerned with revenge
dusk patrol
And settling scores
dusk patrol
And anyone who gets in his way is now “one of them”
opaque coyote
SHALL LEAD THE DECEPTIONS FROM NOW O-
celest dome
dense dawn
SHALL LEAD THE DECEPTIONS FROM NOW O-
Nah let my boy take over
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-starscream-i-guess-that-makes-me-the-new-lea...
I think the funniest ""betrayal"" was when Megatron essentially got a cold and couldn't speak clearly
And so Starscream just immediately announced himself leader
dense dawn
I think the funniest ""betrayal"" was when Megatron essentially got a cold and c...
He what...
That's canon?
opaque coyote
He what...
Basically they were running out of fuel
dusk patrol
Yes
opaque coyote
Lemme find the original clip
dense dawn
Bruh
spring cairn
the box of pink goo
dense dawn
Also after all these years I have one question
dense dawn
What the fuck is all spark
opaque coyote
It's basically the equivalent of your general getting a sore throat
dusk patrol
Canon btw
opaque coyote
And so you decide to immediately take a coup
dense dawn
https://youtu.be/hPCUj1a4yjw?si=YGEV53Z2hJ6Oe4te
Megatron yapping is funny as hell
dense dawn
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-funny-up-down-crane-gif-12252977
This...
opaque coyote
Megatron sneezes
languid meadow
https://youtu.be/hPCUj1a4yjw?si=YGEV53Z2hJ6Oe4te
Starscream instantly crashing will always be so funny
opaque coyote
"MEGATRON HAS FALLEN ILL! I, STARSCREAM, SHALL BE YOUR NEW LEADER!"
arctic talon
low gazelle
"**MEGATRON HAS FALLEN ILL! I, STARSCREAM, SHALL BE YOUR NEW LEADER!**"
Not a big ffan of thhe government
arctic talon
Starscream literally becoming part of the government by the end of IDW is funny as shit
viral halo
Remember crashing starscreams coronation as megatron in that one xbox 360 game
and blasting him away
was very funny
low gazelle
Starscream literally becoming part of the government by the end of IDW is funny ...
i kind of hhated the newer animation
They have these energy guns
but thhey dont do anything effeective
noone really died except the like minions
opaque coyote
Starscream literally becoming part of the government by the end of IDW is funny ...
There are also real G1 Transformers who are named these btw:
"Erector"
"Discharge"
"Heave"
"Big Daddy"
opaque coyote
...sure
snow fern
So the castellan is a "robot" what does mean in 40k?
opaque coyote
Just gotta not team him up with Erector
opaque coyote
So the castellan is a "robot" what does mean in 40k?
Not AI
It basically just means robot tbh
snow fern
Well what's the difference between an AI, machine spirit, and a robot?
opaque coyote
YES.
opaque coyote
Well what's the difference between an AI, machine spirit, and a robot?
Machine Spirit is a vague religious concept similar to many others
So it's unclear, but they do exist. Those prayers do actually do something
Sometimes anyways
Warp stuff and all that junk
An AI is an AI
Basically, current ChatGPT would be the limit. Anything past that would be considered AI.
celest dome
Well what's the difference between an AI, machine spirit, and a robot?
Castellan operate on pre programmed logic loops, that are implanted by the Datasmith
opaque coyote
Castellan operate on pre programmed logic loops, that are implanted by the Datas...
Or to put it in lame speech
They're literally just machines that do what you program them to do
Like one of those factory claws
snow fern
So more like an automated device?
opaque coyote
Pretty much
celest dome
It's like a computer, where you activate specific programs to have it act in different ways
opaque coyote
Basically the Imperium is still far more advanced than us
Even if they've also fallen a long way
Cogitators probably are more powerful than our computers
Probably
And Supercomputers still do exist in the Imperium
They're just blessed
And make sure they have no sentient Abominable Intelligence
The AI in the DAoT was basically completely sentient.
And basically helped out
Treated well too
So it was actually a huge shock when they turned evil for literally no reason
snow fern
That we know of
opaque coyote
And also those AI that went crazy targeted other AI
For no known reason
Shit show basically
snow fern
because half of 40k lore is --REDACTED-- or completely lost to history
opaque coyote
because half of 40k lore is --REDACTED-- or completely lost to history
Basically, up to you to homebrew it homie
opaque coyote
because half of 40k lore is --REDACTED-- or completely lost to history
Also Tech Priests and the like are smart
They do know what we call "Scientific concepts"
Although they will never say that
To be honest, every Priest is probably PhD level in their respective fields
There is just one problem
snow fern
Innovation is illegal
opaque coyote
- Their dogmatic and backwards culture prevents them from innovating, and gathering up people to help.
- Even if you manage to get a team together and hide it. Reverse engineering and innovating is hard. Especially on the level of technology the Imperium has
Especially if they're in like a Biologis Branch
It's like asking a Biologist how to fix a computer
They wouldn't know shit
So you have to get multiple people with multiple fields to reverse engineer something or innovate something
- Experimentation with Xenos tech and such is dangerous
Of course we know that shit like Tau Tech isn't dangerous
But do they?
No
They might accidentally break something and have the plasma canister explode in their face
And that's just the mundane stuff. Don't forget Chaos potentially fucking it up
Essentially, bring a lot of prayer seals and Olive Oil
And finally
There is a lot of tech that are one of a kind
You can't exactly break it apart because
Well there is only one copy
So a lot of mechanicus's powerful weaponry simply can't be reverse engineered because of that
green loom
Well what's the difference between an AI, machine spirit, and a robot?
Context and the book it's in
opaque coyote
Basically, the only way for technology to advance in the Imperium
Is if the Mechanicus managed to change their entire religion and focus on innovation on a wide scale
...
SO THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
snow fern
That's like half of background for the imperium, if people got their heads outa their ass, things would be better, so therefor, things shall never get better
plush mason
it would take generations of people at that are actually competent working around the clock to unfuck the imperium, so yeah never gona happen
hell just fixing the bureaucracy alone would take like 5+ generations of non stop and completely unopposed reforms
near wagon
low gazelle
Is wh40k the only verse where fans dont want to get put into?
With others you have like maybbe safe areas
gray umbra
Part of the setting is that forward thinking also legitimately causes problems
Eh i wouldnt want to be in darkest dungeon
And i love that series
But holy moly
low gazelle
Eh i wouldnt want to be in darkest dungeon
OH TRUE
well
u could
just not
yknow
gray umbra
WoW mostly for the fact theres some world ending event like evry other week
low gazelle
it is a choice to go in
low gazelle
as a normal human
sw wouldnt be bad
dragon age yea bbut itd still be sickk to be a mage
dead space
winter vessel
it kinda sucks that most of the chapter skins don't have icons for both shoulders in SM2. I can't make a Crimson Fists Deathwatch
gray umbra
I made my assault a death company sm and he looks cool af but no giant blood gem things
dusk patrol
Is wh40k the only verse where fans dont want to get put into?
There is no lack of shitty sci fi universes or whatever
Where you wouldn’t want to live
winter vessel
I made my assault a death company sm and he looks cool af but no giant blood gem...
I did make a Deathwatch Hospitaller
dusk patrol
it kinda sucks that most of the chapter skins don't have icons for both shoulder...
They’ve mentioned they’re gonna adjust that, hopefully next big patch
winter vessel
oh, well that's convenient
opaque coyote
I did make a Deathwatch Hospitaller
Btw Hospitallers generally try to save the SM before taking their gene seed
?
IK that's a silly question
But I want just want to confirm
winter vessel
don't know about that specific. but one of their main beliefs is to protect their fallen brethren, especially those who are wounded, but as a last resort, mercy kills them to end their agony.
they kinda reflect the real historic Hospitaller Knights who defend the wounded,
and they give a damn about the average imperial citizen, so that's a gold star in my book
opaque coyote
and they give a damn about the average imperial citizen, so that's a gold star i...
yeah the Ordos Hospitaller in general are my favorite
Because like
They usually try to drag away
People and save them
Also they have the coolest looking Sisters
winter vessel
Oh you meant the sisters, I was talking about the Astartes Chapter
opaque coyote
Oh you meant the sisters, I was talking about the Astartes Chapter
referring to both tbh
winter vessel
But true, Hospitaller are my favorite non majoris Ordo, the nicest ones
storm jungle
sw wouldnt be bad
Star Wars would be absolutely terrible
Andor prob shows it off the best
he literally does fucking nothing and they send him to die in a penal work-camp lmao
low gazelle
oh yeah true
storm jungle
Man that scene is scary
but basically its a galactic police state
its very much a dystopia too
just not in your face, its more "realistic" and more crushing
low gazelle
also andor showcases why the rebel alliance isnt actually disturbing
arctic talon
I mean I like how they're a literal bunch of terrorists initally
low gazelle
because theres video essays showing how their actually causing more harm than good
cause yknow
they quite literally target cargo, transports, hideout on planets
and andor is a good reminder
that uhhh
low gazelle
I mean I like how they're a literal bunch of terrorists initally
iff palpatine took them more seriously
he wouldve been unstoppable
low gazelle
He saw the Yuuzhan as a greater threa
t
and the purpose off the deathstar was to destroy planets bbecause of their ability to convert entire planets
which
imo wouldve been more interesting to make movies on
than what we got
arctic talon
I do like how Saw is a literal like anarchist in Andor
he's completely given up on the idea that a government can be just lol
low gazelle
if they had covered the yuuzhan invasion that was supposed to happen
arctic talon
and his rant in that is great
low gazelle
oh yea
andor writers need to be given more to do w sw
I would like less plot armor in SW tho
and likke actual guerilla tactics
low gazelle
It wouldve bbeen more interesting if kylo and ray had join forces to face off against the yuuzhang invasion
arctic talon
I love how the firefights are done in Andor
tbh
they're so fast
and stressful
compared to usual star wars like
fights
low gazelle
They need to be more like that
arctic talon
its messy and chaotic
low gazelle
Although I hate the idea of disposable enemies that the characters can just shoot
AKA stormtroopers
and they dont actually do anything unless a dramatic deathh is needed
arctic talon
meh
shows/movies need that generally
Andor works by barely having storm troopers show up imo
and when they do they actually do their job
also I like the AK in Andor
low gazelle
I know, but my suspension of disbelief hasnt bbeen kickking in and idk whhy
arctic talon
like a ton
arctic talon
Kind of unfortunate it still ends up reading as an AK
but w/e
most of the guns in star wars look like fucked up real guns
low gazelle
It feels insulting to me as a viewer when I take a 2 second look at the writing
arctic talon
give the Rebellion more not AK's
arctic talon
meh
green loom
also I like the AK in Andor
I think the front could've b een different
arctic talon
I think Andor makes sense
people die a lot in it
besides Andor because
he's going to die later lol
The movies are supposed to be more heroic
not as nitty gritty or low down
arctic talon
I think the front could've b een different
I agree, but there's a part of me that thinks its meant to look like an AK
the guns a symbol of revolution irl
spring cairn
are the storm troopers actually scary in andor ?
arctic talon
I mean generally yeah
except for the one who gets shoved off a tower
they don't show up at all except for the final episode of the first season
spring cairn
having them be jokes all the time is killing the setting tbh
arctic talon
unless you count the shoretroopers who are just rounding up people to send to the Gulags
which is terrifying in its own way lol
plush mason
Star Wars would be absolutely terrible
people often forget the empire in SW is literally just nazi Germany in space, concentration camps, mass genocides the whole deal
plush mason
are they elites?
arctic talon
They don't show up in any equal firefights because they aren't called in aside from the final episode
where the ISB is doing a crack down
plush mason
afaik they are just the marine branch of the imperial navy
spring cairn
are they elites?
they're supposed to be crack troops
but i think by the end of the empire they fell off
arctic talon
Most of the Imperials who die in the show are army troopers/prison guards
spring cairn
but early to mid empire they're elites
arctic talon
and random corporate enforcment officers
plush mason
Most of the Imperials who die in the show are army troopers/prison guards
army troopers have grey armor
arctic talon
yeah
plush mason
stormtroopers are the ones we see die the most
arctic talon
they get blown up by a pipe bomb in the show
and also a gun + grenade cook off
lol
plush mason
army troopers are barely seen
spring cairn
they're p recent
plush mason
largely because they got replaced by the stormtroopers
arctic talon
the only time we see storm troopers is again. when the ISB was doing a crackdown
and needed a show of force
plush mason
yeah its early in the empire then
spring cairn
army troopers as a concept in sw was made way after the movies so
they had to explain why there's none in them somehow
green loom
You can explain it away by 99% of the events we see the chars in being extremely high profile
spring cairn
a reccuring theme for sw sadly
plush mason
before the navy took over the army and reduced it to a transport service for the storm troopers
arctic talon
the stormtroopers are absolutely punching down
but whatever
they do that generally speaking anyways lol
Killing a bunch of civilians armed with pipes and bricks after a bunch of imperials get blown up makes sense lol
plush mason
yeah the newer stuff has been trying to flesh out the empire which i like
plush mason
Lucas ofc had a very limited vision of it, literally just nazis in space as i said
plush mason
yeah
its great to flesh them out but at the end of the day they are still nazis in space
spring cairn
I like the Empire being a proper facist hellhole
i like that aswell, i just want them to be threatening for good reasons
plush mason
they need to just say fuck it and show the empire's slave worlds
crystal forum
my character coughing and complaining about manufactorum smells while wearing literal hazmat gear
immersion ruined, game unplayable
i get the nurgle stuff going through rebreathers and magic stuff but just normal ass hive smells is funny
plush mason
just shows the poor quality of the filters imo
gray umbra
Loose-grasp sounds like a party foul
Man couldnt hold it until he got to the bathroom
crystal forum
you named them
rose thorn
you named them
I used the hive mind auto names
holt shit im loose grasp
i got the easiest question on the test wrong
crystal forum
smh didnt even name your leader
crystal forum
ok i'll let the others slide that's a good one
outer wave
Are lictors a kind of vanguard biomorph like genestealers?
And if so, do they typically take on a synapse role for smaller biomorphs?
tough haven
They are, but they dont do synapse
outer wave
I see I see
So they wouldnt cause a cascade effect if killed
Which makes sense considering their scouting role
low gazelle
Someone described wh as being on the sides of nazis because we are fighting cthulu
outer wave
You're fighting nazis that have found the power of Cthulu as nazis yourself yes
crystal forum
you can also not associate with the imperium as it's a fictional setting
you have the choice on that
outer wave
Also that too yep
tough haven
you can also not associate with the imperium as it's a fictional setting
Factual
outer wave
This is why AoS and WF are more based tbh
arctic talon
No
I like how atrocious everyone in 40k is
I don’t support anyone
But I sure as shit love it
I can’t endorse my favorite factions in AoS either because I’d be murdered by both prolly
outer wave
No thats the great part of 40k; the issue is that GW keeps focusing on one particular bad guy and keeps them as protagonists, whereas the fantasy counterparts does a (probably) better job focusing on everyone
tough haven
But I sure as shit love it
fr
crystal forum
the issue with 40k is the people who think there's a side to root for
like i cant even blame GW for this they make it very clear
outer wave
Also true
arctic talon
No thats the great part of 40k; the issue is that GW keeps focusing on one parti...
Also whfb literally did the same with the empire being focused on over anyone else
tough haven
the issue with 40k is the people who think there's a side to root for
Yeah the purpose of the universe is to see which horrible person beats the other horrible person in a horrible off
crystal forum
people will watch space marines do genocide and go hell yeah
low gazelle
No thats the great part of 40k; the issue is that GW keeps focusing on one parti...
Biggest issue if they don't know how to write morally ambiguous and leave things up to interpretation
arctic talon
Biggest issue if they don't know how to write morally ambiguous and leave things...
There isn’t moral ambiguity
The imperium is explicitly bad
low gazelle
They only know how to wrote flaws of the imperium
arctic talon
In almost everything GW fucking writes
It’s literally called the most cruel and bloody regime imaginable
low gazelle
The imperium is explicitly bad
True
tough haven
people will watch space marines do genocide and go hell yeah
Ill watch any faction commit genocide and go "hell yeah"
arctic talon
Ill watch any faction commit genocide and go "hell yeah"
Real and true
low gazelle
I should've used better description word
crystal forum
i'll go hell yeah too ok that was a bad example
arctic talon
People are just dumb as shit
crystal forum
people will ignore the genocide and think big guy is good
low gazelle
People are just dumb as shit
It's people who take everything at face value
outer wave
Ill watch any faction commit genocide and go "hell yeah"
Ogres when they somehow travel to the 40k universe and begin eating Space Marines
crystal forum
Ogres when they somehow travel to the 40k universe and begin eating Space Marine...
imagine and ogryn meeting an ogre
gray umbra
People will take flamers ripping through hab blocks and make an argument for the imperium being a good society we should strive for
outer wave
imagine and ogryn meeting an ogre
I would imagine both would look at each other and think the other is somehow deformed
arctic talon
The only fault I can give GW
Is video games and trailers showing the imperium
In a somewhat heroic light
crystal forum
I would imagine both would look at each other and think the other is somehow def...
and then eat space marines together?
arctic talon
But like meh
GW makes it pretty explicit
In pretty much all lore
The imperium is a hellhole
tough haven
In a somewhat heroic light
Its supposed to be from the POV of a brainwashed imperial
outer wave
and then eat space marines together?
If thats a free ogyn, probably
Or they fight each other and eat the other
gray umbra
You could just as easily argue a lot of video game trailers is propagabda
arctic talon
Its supposed to be from the POV of a brainwashed imperial
The 9e and 10e trailers?
gray umbra
Since thats what ads are lol
arctic talon
I guess lol
gray umbra
Like the helldiver trailers
arctic talon
Space marine 2
Imo doesn’t have any of the things I love
About the imperium
Not in a big way
There’s like a single firing squad
crystal forum
wdym it has space marines
arctic talon
And the serfs get treated like shit
crystal forum
dont you love space marines?
arctic talon
wdym it has space marines
I’m talking about at a macro scale
crystal forum
dont you love ultramarines?
arctic talon
I do like space marines
gray umbra
My mainstream
crystal forum
dont you want to consume product?
arctic talon
Okay point being
tough haven
I bought it and immediately regretted it