40k-lore-chat

[low gazelle]

havent gotten to those yet 😭

[opaque coyote]

GL

[low gazelle]

ngl chatgpt a better tutor than my school provides

30 minute sessions only

yeah riight

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I don't know which is funnier

Keeping the SMs all male forever so that we can say that only men can receive the Emperor's seed

Or making Female SMs to make those people mad

[shell mason]

they actually addressed that when talking about the primarchs

[opaque coyote]

Yeah didn't Malcador ask why

[shell mason]

he was the one who propose making the primarchs females instead of males

in a sense to make conflicts and arguments more.....civil

which is complete bull

[green loom]

I mean

Dude agrees with Emps

Did you expect him to be smart?

[shell mason]

They both lived since jesus was around, hell they probably met jesus

[celest dome]

Some of them, not all

[shell mason]

lemme find the exert

[shell mason]

"You brothers, such a nest of rivalries. I wanted him to make you sisters. Thinking it will make things more civilized. He thought I was joking, I wasn't" - Malcador the Sigillate

This was during the beginning of the Horus Heresy when they're were talking about the Primarchs loyalties

[celest dome]

Hm now I see how you're reading it:

• make you (The Primarchs) (into) sisters
• make you sisters (as in have sisters alongside the current ones

[shell mason]

right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1JJNBISy8o

[low gazelle]

warhammer 40k if daddy iissues diidnt happen

[shell mason]

mood

[bold rampart]

excuse the ugly black bar, had to pull it off yt

[green loom]

"you brothers" in the previous sentence implies the first meaning I think

[crystal forum]

me learning that there's supposed to be a replacement for the codex astartes called the imperialis but GW still hasnt done anything with it

[green loom]

The Slow-dex imperialis

[crystal forum]

the codex literally doesn't work with primaris units

so i guess the codex now is just like following the torah or some shit

[green loom]

I'd join that server for the emotes ngl

[green loom]

I mean the guy that wrote it is right there and revising

So methinks they've got some new tactics

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-emperor-of-man-emperor-gif-12094981323200160207

[crystal forum]

that's the thing, guilliman is meant to be writing a replacement

so that means the codex is still outdated as shit

which is very funny

[arctic talon]

Guilliman already rewrote it partially

The Imperialis thing is on governing and crap

which is his main focus rn

[green loom]

"Huron was right: the book"

I joke

[crystal forum]

ah yes a piece of paper for planet governors to use i'm sure that will be followed strictly

[green loom]

It's probably used by marines

Since Guilliman is installing marines as governors and shit

[arctic talon]

this has never gone wrong

in the history of the Imperium

[crystal forum]

so for the 0.5% of imperial planets which have a single space marine on them

[green loom]

Not even once

[arctic talon]

The codex imperalis is supposed to be shoved down the throats of every person in a position of power

or scribes

Beuracracy will be forcefed

these books

whenever its finished

[green loom]

Well we have Nihilus being lead by a marine, Ultramar being lead by like, 5 marines?

So that's already a healthy chunk of planets under 6 marines

[crystal forum]

there's over a million imperial planets

or so the saying goes

there isn't even enough combined marines in the galaxy to be spread out on every one

even then why should space marines be governing

[opaque coyote]

Probably just in case of any sexism based hierarchies

[crystal forum]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F1UKfcbB3xA?si=oJdscf5zjNjvvkH3

[opaque coyote]

Like they didn't want any planets where they refused to kneel because WOMEN were leading them imperium

[crystal forum]

i love this

[opaque coyote]

At least that could be the Watsonian reason

[low gazelle]

its lore accurate tho

[crystal forum]

so that's how they managed to make so many units appear on screen

actually pretty cool

[shell mason]

idk man to busy drawing the thing wolf suggested

[crystal forum]

you draw wolves?

[low gazelle]

A warp rift would diistort space and time

[crystal forum]

ayo?

[low gazelle]

so everything would look....

wonky

Especially if a servant of tzeench or whatever tf hiis name is

That little internet troll

[shell mason]

@arctic talon your rat is done

[arctic talon]

thanks

[shell mason]

did two cause why not

[shell mason]

....Gay jay, im not even going to respond to that

[shell mason]

hey ask the big E not me

Now

give me something else to draw, need to practice

[celest dome]

Pangolin

Or a cactus

[shell mason]

no

[shell mason]

no

[celest dome]

[shell mason]

Im not drawing you Cactus

[celest dome]

[shell mason]

still care about you buddy

[crystal forum]

i'll draw you cactus

[thick cedar]

Does Disneyland still exist in 40K?

[dusk patrol]

Probably not

[paper haven]

The happiest place on Terra

[low gazelle]

Yes

[thick cedar]

:)

[low gazelle]

its been converted into a factory ffor children

[thick cedar]

:(

[paper haven]

A factory that makes children or...?

[low gazelle]

Uhhh

bboth??

Imagine if the bible was found in 40k 💀

[paper haven]

Instant heresy

[low gazelle]

Inquiisitioon would like too know ur loocatiion

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Sanguinala park!

(I made it up)

[low gazelle]

tbf roller coasters iin hive citiies proobably wouldnt exiist

and neither would parks

if they did exist itd bbe ggene splicing galore

[rose thorn]

There is perks in Necromunda but they are made of holograms and only for the rich

Parks*

[hallow plover]

Mr Disney is probably the Emperor since this company molds generations

It's all part of the plan

[naive galleon]

is it just me or do the weapons from the shop have a level cap now?
like how high they can be in power
I'm stuck with just weapons in the 350-380 area

[shell mason]

yes

[low gazelle]

Yknow what

thats a good point

titus only uses one code

for all the machines

what would the loore reason be

the machine spirit just goes oh its a space marin we chhill

[hallow plover]

Runes of activation or something

[crystal forum]

chat i need your help

does this look 40k

[outer wave]

Reasonably so I think

[crystal forum]

please say it looks awesome

this thing comes directly out of my brain

[outer wave]

I do think it looks awesome dont worry

[crystal forum]

also i improved the look by filling in the triangle thing

gasoline engine powered minigun

dont think too much about how hard it would be for magazines to feed correctly while being subjected to a lot of centrifugal force

[desert dust]

Looks cool but for some honest feedback how you reload that thing?

Like do you just have three separate magazines you need to swap out?

[crystal forum]

yes

[desert dust]

Is it for a gunship?

[crystal forum]

mech

basically a knight

this is an autocannon

[desert dust]

Well it's definitely cool but triple belt fed would be more practical.

Or just some really big magazines

Looking at the barrel size you got like 10-15 shots per mag.

[crystal forum]

making magazines realistic would make it not fit into 40k

[desert dust]

That's true

[crystal forum]

i've added an ejection port on every barrel

so when a casing is ejected it gets flung super far by the rotation's momentum

isn't that awesome

im so happy with this monstrosity

actually feeling proud for once

[viral halo]

How is everyone this evening

[queen laurel]

great and having fun

[viral halo]

Very good

[sour hornet]

Engaging in salacious acts with Kibellah.

[viral halo]

it getting creamy in there?

[sour hornet]

Don't start Bulgur.

[queen laurel]

Ain't no way Darktide Trapper gameplay is possible

[sour hornet]

I see you fucking typing and my brow starts to sweat

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-gif-6019883

[queen laurel]

not everything i'm going to type is about you

please stop thinking you're the center of the world like Miquella

[sour hornet]

implying I'm not the center of the whole world

[queen laurel]

you're not

[sour hornet]

I 100% am

completely trustworthy and not-suspicious at all Miquella told me

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-bast-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh's-curse-silly-cat-gif-780702971204810824

[queen laurel]

like the 100% chance you become a budget isekai protagonist you basic slug?

[sour hornet]

Imperial bureaucrats if cruelty, maliciousness and spite were edible

[sour hornet]

budget isekai protagonists get tacky harems and loads of completely unearned praise, sounds like a cushy gig if I'm honest

https://tenor.com/view/skyler-white-skylar-white-skylar-skyler-skyler-white-breaking-bad-gif-26271444

bro I didn't even mean to send that gif but I'm sticking w/ it

[queen laurel]

that is why is said budget because you know damn well you ain't getting a harem

[sour hornet]

💀

[rose thorn]

Why are you posting about this on Twitter with live updates omfg

[viral halo]

😭

[sour hornet]

If they're is one thing a budget isekai is gonna keep, it's the harem slop. 🗣️

[rose thorn]

“My husband is currently under watch at the manufactorum as he is possibly going through what is likely an allergic reaction”

“My husband is a servitor”

[crystal forum]

i expected better from femboyballs

truly an upstanding member of society

[rose thorn]

Femboy balls is in the right for making fun of him for posting his life crisis on Twitter

[viral halo]

METS WIN BABY

[rose thorn]

You can post that on instagram

[crystal forum]

mmmmh femboy balls

im distracted

[rose thorn]

Holy shit I love the endless setting so so so so so so so much

[arctic arch]

is 40K lore more deep than Warhammer?

[arctic talon]

Then warhammer fantasy? Uh

Maybe?

Kind of?

[arctic arch]

ah ok

[sour hornet]

Somewhat.

[arctic talon]

40k is certainly broader

[sour hornet]

Fantasy is narrower in scope.

[arctic arch]

is it because fantasy is just in one world

[sour hornet]

Being fantasy and all.

[arctic arch]

also is the world as dark as 40K?

[arctic talon]

No

AoS and whfb are both much less grimdark

[arctic arch]

ahh ok

[rose thorn]

Age of sigmar is a wonderful wonderful setting and I highly highly recommend it

It’s a much more coherent setting

With much more sane writers and a story that means something

Most of them time*

[arctic talon]

This applies to both tbh

Lol

There’s some AoS writing that’s def deranged

But that’s just GW being GW

[rose thorn]

Yeah but it’s new enough that it fixes those issues quickly or are pretty irrelevant- ie old beastmen lore

New khorne lore is pretty dog shit though

[arctic talon]

The old beastmen lore is just not said outloud now

Which 40k and AoS both do

Which is fine imo

Regarding coherency of setting I’d tend to agree

In AoS being tighter

[queen laurel]

are beastmen just their own race in aos

[arctic talon]

But that’s because it’s younger

[arctic talon]

Yes

Sort of

[rose thorn]

Aos beastmen is specifically their own race or caused by a curse

Born randomly

[arctic talon]

They’re that in whfb as well

[queen laurel]

the fantasy accounts aren't fun

[arctic talon]

Beastmen lore hasn’t changed much

[queen laurel]

are they like mutated spawed

like where the hell do these things come from

[rose thorn]

Except with the uh, non consent parts

[arctic talon]

It’s

Def in AoS they just don’t say it out loud

And I’m glad they don’t

They didn’t say it out loud by the end of whfb either

[rose thorn]

Pretty sure it’s specifically not in aos anymore

[arctic talon]

It’s not specified

[queen laurel]

the animal and a person getting along way too well part?

[arctic talon]

Idk

[rose thorn]

Beastmen were there before any other race, except orruks?

[arctic talon]

Rhymes with grape

[queen laurel]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah beastmen are old old

[queen laurel]

i guessed that right

[arctic talon]

In AoS

[queen laurel]

it seems that they are like scouts of the chaos gods or something

[rose thorn]

In the beastgrave book it’s stated beastmen are born from beastmen or are randomly created at human birth

And in one of the soul wars books people randomly turn into tzaangors

[arctic talon]

“Randomly”

[arctic talon]

This is a tzaangor thing more so

It happens in 40k as well

I’m not sure why it applies to tzaangors specifically

But I guess god of change

People on tzeentch daemon worlds sometimes just turn into tzaangors

[queen laurel]

seems minotaur's are just very heavily mutated people

in aos

[arctic talon]

Beastmen are their own race

Technically

They didn’t get hard retcon’d the same way firmir

Did

[rose thorn]

Tzaangors in aos are stated to be the same race as beastmen

[rose thorn]

I don’t think those are a thing in aos?

[arctic talon]

They are

Or at least the beastmen equivelent are

[rose thorn]

Oh what are they called?

[arctic talon]

I forget their name

Uh one moment

They’re from 2e

[rose thorn]

Anyway beastmen are a dead faction till probably next edition

[arctic talon]

And 1e

[arctic talon]

They’re being replaced

By something according to leaks

The whole heavily mutated thing

I forgot the name of

[queen laurel]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bullgor

[arctic talon]

So this is the hard retcon that’s been a long time coming

Or I guess

[queen laurel]

they are called Bullgors right

[arctic talon]

They’re just dropping a rock on beastmen

[queen laurel]

like my name funnily enough

[arctic talon]

To bury any potential implications left imo

[rose thorn]

Ye, the last time a faction got replaced they did the same thing. I believe it was hmmm

I wanna say an order faction

Fyreslayers?

[arctic talon]

Slayers got vanished from cities yeah

[rose thorn]

Yeaa

[arctic talon]

But beastmen aren’t being hard retcon’d so much as uh

Genocided in universe

[queen laurel]

wait they are replacing the Beastmen

does that mean that they are fixing up savage orruks to look more fancy

[rose thorn]

They do that with all the factions they scrap

[queen laurel]

shit

well that gives me hope

[arctic talon]

I am of the opinion if GW wanted to like get rid of everything problamatic with beastmen they would have been hard retcon'd with AoS 2e or AoS 1e

the same way Firmir got uh

you know

[rose thorn]

Yeha bonesplittaz probably will soonest he maybe late next edition? But I haven’t heard any rumors about them unlike beastmen

[arctic talon]

retcon'd

bonesplittaz imo are unfortunately lower priority

[queen laurel]

the what

you mean the cyclops birds?

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

i forgot they existed

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rose thorn]

They did but it’s like, they are a direct port of an army.

[arctic talon]

Firmir got ported to AoS

but their lore got totally retcon'd

[queen laurel]

what was their entire thing back in fantasy anyway

aren't they just like their own thing that likes worshipping chaos as well

[rose thorn]

Lmao not even old world ppl know who that is

[arctic talon]

yeah because GW fucking burried them

lol

for good reason

[rose thorn]

And rules wise you ran them with sons of behemoth lmao

[arctic talon]

I'm not sure why GW didn't just retcon their asses

out of existence in WHFB

or AoS

wait they were destruction in AoS?

LOL

[rose thorn]

In the 3rd edition legends

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

They were the original Chaos worshippers

got genocided

[rose thorn]

I know nothing about them so

[arctic talon]

only way they could reproduce was by uh

[REDACTED]

[rose thorn]

Wait what

[arctic talon]

with humans

because all their women were infertile

This got retcon'd in AoS

(thank fuck)

[rose thorn]

Mhm

[arctic talon]

but GW basicially never touched them

besides as random cannon fodder in books

[queen laurel]

oh god

[arctic talon]

after like

4e of WHFB

[queen laurel]

yeah that is good

[arctic talon]

because someone at GW realized

hey uh what the fuck guys

who wrote this

[rose thorn]

They got mroe lore in aos then they ever did in old world lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

and they aren't creepy

[REDACTED]

[rose thorn]

An antagonist in like 4 books

[arctic talon]

Their Forgeworld mini looks great tbh

[queen laurel]

GW rereading old lore

[rose thorn]

What’s thier lore? Why was it weird they are destruction?

[arctic talon]

GW's writers trying to unfuck old lore

[arctic talon]

In WHFB they were the original worshipers of Chaos

[rose thorn]

OH

[arctic talon]

before humanity basically wiped them out

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

in AoS they're a matriarchal species primarily?

[rose thorn]

Suprised they didn’t mush them with seraphons

[arctic talon]

and I think they just live in swamps?

[rose thorn]

I thought it was mountains?

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

they live in a marsh

[rose thorn]

Anyway they literally only had like 5 models rifting

[arctic talon]

in Ghyran

[rose thorn]

Oh

Right?*

[arctic talon]

idk I'm surprised GW didn't just kill them off for good

with AoS -> WHFB

but I guess forgeworld had a mini for them

for Endtimes

that never got released

same with the Chorf mini in AoS only

[queen laurel]

imagine being killed off so hard that the descendants of your race literally evolved to be better and just live in the healthiest realm

[arctic talon]

bro missed the end times

[rose thorn]

I think my problem is they feel like the worst parts of seraphons dwarves and beastmen

[arctic talon]

idk

I think its fine to have random fodder faction

actually

that sounds terrible out of context

[queen laurel]

yeah beastmen have it

[arctic talon]

💀

[queen laurel]

you know damn well i'm right

[rose thorn]

If anything I could see them being mixed with chaos duardin

[queen laurel]

they are basically treated like dirt

[arctic talon]

Firmir could be shoved in with Chorfs yeah

[rose thorn]

which apparently is coming out the end of this edition

[arctic talon]

rumors?

I know they're on the core rulebook map

[rose thorn]

Some leaker

[arctic talon]

I c

well

[rose thorn]

Like

[crystal forum]

im a leaker

[arctic talon]

I wonder if the AoS only dude is coming back

[rose thorn]

He got a lot of stuff right

[crystal forum]

i got a lot of stuff

[rose thorn]

He got the uh,,,, cities rework

And the flesh eaters

[crystal forum]

im a flesh eater

[rose thorn]

I think they need a new name though

That’s a dog shit name

[arctic talon]

Firmir is like

a meh name

its about as creative as shit like beastmen

lol

[rose thorn]

But yeha chaos love their mixed race armies

So being a filler race for like, some random roll would work

[queen laurel]

This is the one decision I was very happy about to be honest separating the death races into their own super thing

the Ghouls are nobles
ghosts are ghosts
we have the bone zone
and vampires

[rose thorn]

Yeha death is a pretty complete alliance

They are now focusing on like

The sub factions

It seems

(Mainly for soulblight)

You can’t really do anything else for death

[queen laurel]

and destruction

the Grots
orruks
Giants
and Ogres

The only thing I really have a gripe about with destruction is fucking separate the warclans

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

‘Lizard men ’

[rose thorn]

‘Ger men ’

I can’t think of anything else

[queen laurel]

Orruk

[rose thorn]

Aelf is pretty bad

I love aos

[queen laurel]

Duardin

[rose thorn]

Duardin is very dwarfy word

[queen laurel]

i love AOS but the naming conventions can be a bit better

[rose thorn]

Aelf is just bad

[queen laurel]

yeah it is painful to say

[crystal forum]

unification wars earth ass names

[rose thorn]

In the books they just say elf btw

Elves say elf

Humans say aelf

[queen laurel]

what about the stunties

[rose thorn]

I think it might just be the accent though

[rose thorn]

AAelf

[queen laurel]

do they call them dwarfs or Duardin

[rose thorn]

Duardin say Duardin, wnd all the Duardin hate the other Duardin

[queen laurel]

and for non dwarves

[rose thorn]

Duardin still

I just noticed aelves pronounces aelf as elf

It might also be the VA getting confused

I think I heard some books just say

Alf

The first time I heard it I fucking died laughing

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna draw an E and shove it down your throat if you say that to me

honestly if GW just stuck to Elf

[rose thorn]

They legally couldn’t

For like 5 minutes

[queen laurel]

some names are just

not it

[rose thorn]

Orruk is good, no one noticed ogors

Megagargant’s and gargants are amazing names

[queen laurel]

yeah they are good

[arctic talon]

I don't like Orruk

lol

nothing will ever make me like it

[queen laurel]

yes Elitewolf we get it every time you say you don't like the name I take a shot and I die of alcohol poisoning

[opaque coyote]

Elitewolf is secretly Francis from L4D

"I hate stairs"

"I hate hospitals"

[dusk patrol]

The name doesn’t do it for me

But I do like Ironjawz

For some reason

[opaque coyote]

So I thought of a comic idea

Y'know how one of Khorne's aspects is ""Honor""

I thought of like

A Khornate CSM murdering a child's parents

Going to the child

And being like

"Wait gotta make this fair. Here."

throws knife at the child

child dies by catching the knife with their face

"Honor sustained, Khorne will be happy tonight"

[celest dome]

It's not

[queen laurel]

that's a lie

he has zero honor

[opaque coyote]

Nah he does

It's just that it only extends to

"I'm going to stab you in the face"

Rather than

"I'm going to stab you sneakily"

[celest dome]

That's not really about honour. He just prefer martial might over any other

[queen laurel]

that's prefering martial might

if he had Honor he would not planetary genocide every thursday like it's a holiday

[warm comet]

With the idea that each chaos god has a good part and a bad part, Khorne’s is usually said to be honour

In the sense that there will be no trickery to his fights, just a plain battle of strength/skill

I personally just think chaos is pretty plain bad

[queen laurel]

Again that's martial might, and he still uses guns, i don't think you can really chop down an entire fortress with a axe

The only rule that is really apparent with him is the no magic rule

[warm comet]

‘Martial might’ yeah, he will fight you with his army

It’s really not hard to conceive how stealth and tricks in combat or battles can be seen as dishonourable, people have been complaining about it since the roman era

You can conduct your soldiers and use tactics in a far sneakier and trickier way, but that can be seen as cowardly or dishonourable

[queen laurel]

Honor is about regarding something with respect or and fulfilling an obligation and i don't think he respects the lives he cuts and decorates his skull throne with

[warm comet]

There’s lots of ways to describe honour

[queen laurel]

He is a god of war and war is supposed to be bloody that's the entire thing with him

If he was honorable he would spare innocent people

But he's literally just a god of slaughter no more no less

[celest dome]

Khorne care not whence blood flow from.
Be it the blood of children or not

[warm comet]

If you agree to a sword duel with someone and then pull out a gun, there is no honour in that. Even if the end result is still killing them

You’re using a very strict idea of the word honour, but okay

[queen laurel]

Because people keep saying he has a honor, if honor is slaughter then of course he has it

Like he is the blood god and god of war and one of his literal warcries is blood for the blood god skull for the skull throne

A god about decapitation and offering skulls to someone isn't honorable no matter how much you cut it

[celest dome]

Not the 1st time we see you argue with known lore distinction.
Now we just need you to argue about Purple Orks

[warm comet]

Honour in the sense that people describe Khorne is fighting the enemy without tricks, blatantly presenting your army and saying ‘here we are, here are our numbers. Fight us.’
He could conduct his army in likely more effective ways using magic, stealth etc. But he doesn’t

Your idea of honour seems to be linked to not being cruel or horrible?

[queen laurel]

Yeah but that's not honor that's just a horde of war mongering monsters

One of the names for their army is literally the butcher's horde

They are killers the only reason people see his way of war honorable is because well it's simplistic

Simplicity and brutality does not equate to honor

[celest dome]

Slaaneshi Warrior are more likely to show some form of code of honour than any Khornate one

[warm comet]

Lacrante’s weapon clicked dry, followed quickly after by those of his men.

The warrior’s armour was covered in las-burn scoring. One of his hair plumes was smouldering. He let his arms drop.

‘For the glory of honour in combat, I have given you your chance to best me, for I recognise your inferiority.’ Though his voice was a thick growl, he spoke calmly, at odds with his berserk manner. ‘You failed. Now you will die, and your blood shall water the plains of skulls at Khorne’s feet. Rejoice, for you go to a better master than the Emperor ever was!’

• Avenging Son

Khorne warriors seek out worthy opponents on the battlefield if possible. They find honour in fighting to prove their strength against their opponent.

Ultimately, it’s the blood god. If honour cannot be found in killing, they will still prefer to kill. But they act within their own conception of honour when they have the ability to

[celest dome]

Some do.
Other dont.
Khorne doesn't care

[queen laurel]

yeah he has no Honour, you drain the blood of someone decapitate them and give them their skull you do the job for him that's just what he is

And of course his most blessed servants are literal avatars of slaughter

[dusk patrol]

Note the bottom right

Cruelty and killing the innocent or weak is definitely something Khorne enjoys

That being said greater foes do make greater trophies but yeah he’s definitely still down for murdering a bunch of civilians

[queen laurel]

if simple tactics and being Brutal is all it takes to be an honorable army then my guess is that orks are just honorable then

[dusk patrol]

And even Orks like to torture and torment victims

[queen laurel]

yeah they are not Honorable

just brutes

[warm comet]

This just comes from an inability to differentiate cruelty and evilness from honour, honestly

But yeah I’ve said everything I need to, including an extract where a khornite explicitly spells out their code of honour

Honour isn’t going to overrule violence when it comes to the blood god, but it is definitely still present in the writing about them

[celest dome]

Have you tried goggling what honour mean ?

[thorn zenith]

i mean, it could also go only as far as meeting your enemies head on and give them a direct fight

[plush mason]

^

in fact thats like one of the only forms of honor you can find on the battlefield

only idiots fight fair

[warm comet]

Yeah
You can disagree with it, but they fight like that because they dislike things they see as trickery. And that is their version of honour

Which is layed out pretty definitively in the extract I sent

[green loom]

No they don't

They literally do not care about trickery lel

[plush mason]

they will use every unfair advantage they have short of stealth and trickery to kill their foes as quickly as they can, especially because Khorne wants the to kill quick t avoid giving Slannesh more power

[green loom]

This is not a factor

[plush mason]

would khornites sneak up on someone from behind? i mean there are death cults devoted to him so i guess some do

[green loom]

Yes

[warm comet]

That’s not true.
Khornites see charging into battle as the highest form of worship

[green loom]

They can see what they like, it doesn't matter

In AoS it kinda does, in 40k it's much more loose

[plush mason]

yeah Khorne himself cares not from where the blood flows

but some cults of him do

the world eaters damn sure dont though

[green loom]

Not a rule

World Eater warbands can have whatever approach you like

[queen laurel]

Yeah like maybe his soldiers or other worshippers will have some sort of use of something honorable well as honorable as a bloodthirsty order is but literally the god himself and his creed is just kill kill kill

[warm comet]

As I’ve already said twice, khornites will kill in whatever way they can, they won’t spare someone just because they cannot be killed honourably

But it looks like whenever there is a viable option to face their opponents in honourable combat, they do

It looks like they see honour as racing the enemy head-on

[green loom]

Some of them want to kill da biggest thing, that's like, normal

[plush mason]

btw, the rogue trader season pass is on sale if you dont already have it

[queen laurel]

i have void shadows and are having fun

[green loom]

There's like 2 factors for Khorne
You either get a bigger pile of skulls
Or a bigger skull
And that's the end of it

[warm comet]

In the story I posted, the khornite fights guards, and still talks of his honour
It’s nothing to do with the biggest kill, it’s about how they fought

[green loom]

Literally doesn't matter

[queen laurel]

the followers yeah but the god?

no the god is an honorless war mongering warlord

leading literal hordes of butchers as an army

[green loom]

The world eaters themselves have a warband that's focused on sharpshooting lel

[queen laurel]

don't forget the blood pact which is a guard of khorne that have discipline and well use of guard equipment

[warm comet]

I could accept that maybe the god is just the embodiment of violence

But when almost his followers all seem to act in a way which we know they see as honourable, I think it’s fair that people say the ‘good’ side of the khornites are their honour

[shadow plover]

I mean it isn't too far fetched that there are different schools of following whatever they deem Khorne wills as worship

[green loom]

Yeah almost all, if you only look at like, 3 world eaters

[green loom]

Ye basically, worship can take whatever form
Chaos has no hard rules for actual cult stuff really
It always boils down to excess, blood, disease and change

[warm comet]

The warrior in the story described what he, and likely other khornites, see as honourable. Charging into the enemy for a brutal fight, where either troops could die.

This is like, the biggest characterisation of the khorne army. I’m making a very, very small stretch to say that this likely applies to them too

[green loom]

I mean one guy in one of the most split up legions wouldn't exactly act as a hard rule for everyone else in it

Again they full on have a warband that's just ranged marines

[queen laurel]

yeah just because one this guy that kills people is better than that guy that kills people as well doesn't make that guy that kills people but is nicer the standard

[warm comet]

Like I said I’m not even completely convinced that all the chaos gods do have a good side at all. I feel like people try and justify the chaos gods a bit too much

I’m just making a case for why people tend to say that the Khornites’ ‘good’ trait is honour

[green loom]

Like realistically you could have a warband with a hardcore honour bound knight guy, a shifty silent backstabber, and a tactical heavy weapon clad gunner and it'd be consistent

[warm comet]

My average squad tbh

[green loom]

Literally none of them do

They're described as the most malefic entities in reality

[queen laurel]

The thing is it's just an outdated concept that doesn't really exist like you are basically twisting on Honor hard, trying to find anything good on a literal maddened horde of butchers each one so bloodthirsty and aggressive that they can literally match a monster in a fight doesn't help the honor argument

[green loom]

He isn't tbf

Having an honour code just means you have one, you're still, probably, a horrible monster

[warm comet]

Yeah, absolutely agree

‘Lawful evil’ if you’re into that kinda thing

There’s a stereotype of the honourable villain, even

[green loom]

No it's kinda entirely pointless for alignment

[queen laurel]

it's just that people bring it up too much nowadays that this guy is not the worst even though he is the literal God of War and slaughter he's like complete chaotic good

good?

no evil

[green loom]

Since honour is like mostly subjective

[queen laurel]

got that one wrong

like yes some of his followers have codes of honor that they still follow but like bringing it up doesn't really make it any less painful than the fact that they kind of did just massacre a world

[warm comet]

You can massacre a world and still be within your code of honour, which is what being honourable is.

[green loom]

Yeah, irrelevant

[warm comet]

I think this is a dead-end though for the argument

[queen laurel]

do you have any idea how you will have to explain that to a court of law

killing the world is still honorable your honor

[warm comet]

Honour does not define our laws, so no that doesn’t work

But duels to the death for your honour used to be legal, even

[celest dome]

Honour isn't about law, but it is about Morality

[plush mason]

is it though? its more about social standing imo

there is very little morality in killing someone for spiting on your boot

[green loom]

Echoing my early point, it's not a consistent or really a hard defined concept

It can be as little as obeying your boss or following a very regimented ceremonial lifestyle

[queen laurel]

You can argue that followers of khorn can have honor

But the god himself

No not at all

[plush mason]

yeah Khorne has no honor but hates cowards so he can sometimes look honorable

he punished Skarbrand more for the cowardness of his strike than the audacity of it

[celest dome]

Is there honour in killing someone for spiting on your boot ?

[plush mason]

yes

its an insult

[celest dome]

woah

[plush mason]

and taking an insult lying down is dishonorable

[warm comet]

People would duel to the death in the name of their honour for such an insult

[plush mason]

yup

[warm comet]

Until relatively very recently

[celest dome]

Proportional response ? Anyone

[warm comet]

Honour isn’t about proportional response, really

[plush mason]

^

[crisp heath]

I mean there was that one saga where a guy accidentally grazed the nose of another guy with a stick and got beaten to death for it

[plush mason]

honor is about defending one's social standing in most cultures

[crisp heath]

Honestly a disproportionate response has typically been the norm

It's about proving a point

[plush mason]

yup

[warm comet]

‘Honour’ is whatever a society wants it to be. It largely just means holding to your/society’s values

From defending your social standing, to fighting someone fairly, these were all seen as honourable

You wouldn’t assassinate someone for insulting you because that isn’t honourable by our definition

In other cultures? There 100% could be a society where that is honourable

[plush mason]

there is a reason people where more polite back then on average, being rude could easily get you killed or beaten to within an inch of your life

[warm comet]

Khornites see charging into battle headfirst as honourable

Imagine khornites in darktide lol

Ragers only

[celest dome]

Khornate factions aren't all berserker

[warm comet]

I’m just joking

[crystal forum]

is sanguinor the giant guy from TTS

[rocky gale]

It's him'd

[crystal forum]

im too lazy to read lore what's his gimmick

looks like a blood angels saint celestine

[rocky gale]

Uhhhhh

[warm comet]

It’s John Warhammer

[rocky gale]

During the HH Guiliman, the Lion and Sanguinius had a period where they were cut off from Terra and had assume Terra had already fallen, so then sorta form their own Empire with Sanguinius as Regent, a brother of the Blood Angels is chosen to act as his body double and sealed within a matching set of his armour, he becomes the Sanguinor and would also like act as a herald for Sanguinius etc.

[crystal forum]

main character syndrome space marine #829 alright i got it

[rocky gale]

He uh kinda sacrificed himself to save Sanguinius and fell into a Warp rift which tore him apart and turned him into what he is now.

Which is basically an Angelic Warp Entity that appears on the battlefield to help Blood Angels in their times of greatest need.

He's also tied to a sort of Doomsday myth for the Blood Angels

Where he as the Golden Angel is locked in an eternal battle with the Black Angel

He gets stronger everytime a Blood angel saves the life of an innocent, while the Black Angel gets stronger everytime a BA succumbs to the Black Rage

[warm comet]

Warhammer fans when the 800th genetically perfect superhuman hero shows up

[crisp heath]

Wait I thought Sanguinary Priest was just what they called their chaplains

What the fuck does a sanguinary priest do

[rocky gale]

Sanguinary Priests are their Apothecaries

[crisp heath]

Oh okay yeah that makes sense

[shell mason]

They try to help Blood Angel's go through the more....rough patches of the black rage

[rose thorn]

This feels racist but idk why

[shell mason]

geeking on something?

[balmy tusk]

https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/research-programming/transcendence-transformation/research/blood-for-the-blood-god warhammer fans when the uuuh, the uuuuuh, hmmmm.

No idea where an article like this would make sense in this discord

[celest dome]

What the f is Harvard Divinity school

[shell mason]

what

Postdoctoral Fellow, Spirituality and the Arts

[balmy tusk]

One of the schools part of Harvard University

[shell mason]

wait so this is from a legit school?

[queen laurel]

how the fuck did you even come by this

like you just have an article of harvard being related to warhammer

[shell mason]

also that title goes hard af

[balmy tusk]

I was reading through the CSWR's recent annual 2023-2024 publication

[crystal forum]

you can pay to get any degree

[celest dome]

I would have thoughed that it was a false school

[queen laurel]

shit sounds like something you would actually see in warhammer

[balmy tusk]

and this popped up

[celest dome]

CSWR ?

[shell mason]

yea

[balmy tusk]

the Centre for the Study of World Religions, I pop onto their website every now and then

They're part of the Harvard Divinity School and I try to keep up to date on their Transcendence and Transformation research initiative

[celest dome]

Huh, you really are a mystery to me

Quite the eclectic interests

[queen laurel]

Bro is a Techpriest

[balmy tusk]

It was just very funny to me to see this

[crystal forum]

associating the act of hobby painting to spirituality is certainly a take

[queen laurel]

The image of Belakor next to these like supposedly calming images is absolutely funny

[celest dome]

Historically it is

[queen laurel]

like you just see these things and then suddenly bam Belakor

[celest dome]

Religion has been the driver of arts for centuries

[crystal forum]

it can be a theme without being the thing that creates it

like a carpenter is suddenly motivated solely by religion because he does a jesus statue?

[balmy tusk]

They're more looking at the flow state and concentration that can occur during painting

[crystal forum]

yes, so literally any hobby that puts you in the hyperfocus state

since that's what hobbies do

cad modelling is religious now

[balmy tusk]

Which means they can share elements with spirituality

[sand bloom]

GET FUKKEN IN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18ZTcULehQ

[crystal forum]

it's a pointless association

[balmy tusk]

It's not really something that's a very cleanly separable thing from human behaviour overall

[crystal forum]

it's like pointing to a blue flower and noticing that the sky is also blue

[shell mason]

what

[shell mason]

I mean for clicks it would work well

[shell mason]

you can say that with painting mini and actually painting something

[crystal forum]

you can say it about any activity that requires intense focus

literally any

[shell mason]

true

[celest dome]

It's more so that Religion has been a big mecene in most country, not just Christian and Arabic, but also smaller and ancient ones (Think the same apply to Asian religions)

[crystal forum]

im not disputing that religion has been a theme in art since forever. one of the oldest pieces of art we have is a fertility statue of a presumed fertility goddess

that does not mean art is the same as praying or any other religious practise

[celest dome]

Is it what the article is saying ?

[balmy tusk]

idk, the aim of the project makes sense to me

[shell mason]

dude at this point you have people that believe in the force and a flying spaghetti monsters

[plush mason]

whats going on?

[shell mason]

religion can be a prime way to get invested with a series, think Trench crusade

and the art that comes with that

[crystal forum]

it's saying that the act of hobby painting is similar to meditative acts and that sort of religious stuff

[queen laurel]

just talking about a harvard article

#40k-lore-chat message

[plush mason]

art is a tool, it can be used in many ways and to many ends

[shell mason]

meh this agruement is tiring and I dont have time for it

right now i wait for my denny's to come

[crystal forum]

especially when you dont read what you're arguing against

[sand bloom]

also, older, is just someone who was drawing things he saw in nature on cave walls; other cave walls was just drawings of boobs.
Truly, man is a mystery.

[plush mason]

how dare you suggest gamers read, such heresy

[plush mason]

the only mystery of man is how the fuck we managed to survive as long as we have

[shell mason]

why do you think i didn't read it?

[sand bloom]

oceans, and a lack of means, until recently within the last century or two, to destroy the world and ourselves with it.
And alcohol if you're European

[plush mason]

so dumb luck

[shell mason]

I just didnt see the point in continuing the argument

[plush mason]

lets face it, there where a lot of points in history where humanity could have easily been wiped out, mainly during the plagues and just about any large scale natural disaster

[shell mason]

the black plague

[plush mason]

could have easily wiped out all of Europe

[sand bloom]

Plaguefather's buboes via hamsters

wouldn't have affected mesoamerica, subsaharan africa, oceania, etc.

[plush mason]

yeah pure dumb luck is all that has kept humanity alive for most of our history

[sand bloom]

hate dump luck

[plush mason]

lmao

[shell mason]

humanity just started using more clean ways to live

instead of drinking from where that shat

[plush mason]

afaik that started well after

iirc it was literally just the fact that so many died the plauge was unable to keep spreading

[peak notch]

Hi Guys, am new to the 40k lore, just played sm2 and had a lot of fun with it, May i know if it will be considered heresey if humanity learned more about the xenos. With more information about the xenos, they might be able to fight them better,

[plush mason]

it is yes, well for the average person

[queen laurel]

for the average person yeah

[sand bloom]

such is the path to becoming gue'vasa

[shell mason]

Not really, if your like average dude yes. But if your with the Mechanicus no

[queen laurel]

But higher ranking officials can have the info for use

[peak notch]

what is gue'vasa?

[plush mason]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Tau auxiliaries

[plush mason]

humans that serve the Tau empire

[sand bloom]

humanity which hath joined with the Greater Good and become a part of the T'au Empire.

[shell mason]

it spread via rats, fleas, and all that so not at all

[peak notch]

what is mechanicus?

[plush mason]

no it didnt actually

[peak notch]

is the tau empire a race?

[plush mason]

it spread from the people and sepecfically their cloths

[peak notch]

sounds familiar.

[queen laurel]

the tau empire are one of the major factions

[sand bloom]

it's kind of hard to know which plague he's talking about, because Europe had 3 bubonic plagues across 1300 years

[queen laurel]

They don't have a lot of number but they punch well above their weight thanks to the technology and tactics

[peak notch]

I see

[plush mason]

the black death

[peak notch]

they are not allies with the humans rite?

[sand bloom]

and the fact they have more than one species fighting with them as auxillaries; humans, vespids, kroot, t'au. Apes together strong.

[queen laurel]

Yes and no

a lot of humans are so puritan that they kill aliens on site

some are reasonable enough to work with them but don't really trust them

[sand bloom]

They honestly want to be (well, most), but the Imperium refuses to work with xenos; fuck, the t'au tried to have diplomatic relationships with greenskin orkoid waagh's for decades. They're kind of naive.

[plush mason]

no they are not, no one in 40k is allied with anyone, only temporary alliances of necessity happen

[peak notch]

tau empire are considered xenos?

[plush mason]

yes

[peak notch]

I see

[queen laurel]

yes

[sand bloom]

which would be the Second plague, and not even the worst one in bubonic plague speak

[plush mason]

tbf they have only been traveling the stars for like less than 1k years iirc

[sand bloom]

yeah, and they don't have (mostly) warp presence; earth/fire/water/air castes don't anyway. This makes them, in a sense, incorruptible to chaos, but not incorruptible to their own emotions.

[lapis verge]

Lore bros, I have a question.

First Heretic or Prospero Burns first?

[sand bloom]

Is that Shas'O Kais T'au Mont'ka? Hell yeah.

[shell mason]

the tau are relatively young all considering

[sand bloom]

hence their naivete with orkoids at first; they were the first species the Ethereals were like, "Nah, we don't fuck with them no more; KOS baby"

[celest dome]

Iirc first Heretic

[sand bloom]

the cacti has spoken

[celest dome]

I do want to say that my memory is quite unstable so I might be misremembering

Dilara is a much better source than I am

[queen laurel]

this plant is speaking nonsense truly the chaos gods are ruthless

[green loom]

First Heretic is the first in the whole Ruinstorm storyline methinks

[shell mason]

who here believes in ghosts?

[rocky gale]

Of course I believe in them

You go Ghost

[crystal forum]

votann are considered xenos and they're abhumans for all intents and purposes

[celest dome]

2nd best vehicle, how many time I've ran over my brother on it (he the same

[lapis verge]

noice

[celest dome]

Rats really were the best pick for the Skaven https://imgur.com/gallery/rat-race-aENZd7N

[shell mason]

RATS RATS WE ARE THE RATS

[sand bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnCToK4Jw7w

[warm comet]

Splattering heretics since 2155

[sour hornet]

I don't want to work with imperials either tbh

[crystal forum]

holy shit this is such an awesome showcase of how animals can learn

i thought it was only the human brain that was plastic enough to learn new ways of locomotion

[gaunt sable]

My thoughts are that for the average layman, learning too much about Xenos might be cause for concern and depending on the planet probably get someone run out of town, hanged or arrested by the local Enforcers or whatnot.

But like, if your an Academic or a member of the upper classes of some type its tolerated.

[green loom]

It'd probably depend if you had a Sauerback esque family of hardliners around

[gaunt sable]

Or if there's a specific reason for you to have casual access to those materials.

[green loom]

I imagine the ecclesiarchy's influence in the upper echelons would mostly be to just try and force all that out

[gaunt sable]

Naval Officers in the Imperial Navy aren't about to have the Inquistion (Or at least a sane Inquistor.) breathing down their neck because they looked over a Treatise discussing Tau Naval warfare tactics and naval technology.

Arbites are going to need to know what proscribed xenomaterials looks like.

So their might be a book about that laying around somewhere.

[gaunt sable]

Hence, my comment about, "It depends on the planet."

[green loom]

I figure Arbites would get a pass on that ye

[gaunt sable]

One Planet might not see that much problem for casual information on Xenospecies to be discussed or studied. (Especially if it's gone through a few censors for anything deemed really subversive/dangerous.)

Another might get out the pitchforks and pillories.

[green loom]

Rogue Trader might be a good thing for this with the different "levels" being shown by the 3 Rogue Trader Dynasties

[gaunt sable]

Well the Arbites are going to come down the same way depending on the exact Imperial Laws.

A book discussing Tau History and Culture (What little the Imperium has access to?) No one's going to really get arrested for that.

(At least by the Arbites.)

But if someone brought like a Tau Drone to sell?

Ooooooh fuck someone's going to get their teeth kicked in.

https://tenor.com/view/berlin-police-gif-20772509

Pictured: Arbites upon hearing someone has proscribed Xenotech

[gaunt sable]

That's not QUITE true.
The Imperium will sometimes RARELY under the right conditions and with just the right Xenos species kinda sorta work with them. This is always informal and at absolute best the Imperium might let the Xenos in question leave with the warning, "Okay so next time we start shooting." and at worst start leveling their guns the moment whatever forced them to work together is dealt with.

We also have instances were the Imperium will negotiate.

Best example is the Imperium and the T'au since the Imperium actually negotiated a cease fire of the Damocles Gulf Crusade. (Because Hive Fleet Behemoth was making a beeline to Macragge.)

But these sorts of negotiations are rare.

[green loom]

It's most common with eldar sometimes

And buying off orks rarely

[gaunt sable]

It's basically with Xenos races the Imperium realizes have some level of honor and whose motivations they can sort of guess at/prepare for.

They know the Eldar are playing 5-D chess but they calculate for that.

The T'au and Aeldari are the easist because well they can communicate pretty easily with humans, their more or less sane and rational beings with goals that humans can sort of get and can be trusted about as much as an Alien could ever be trusted.

[opaque coyote]

I mean easiest to communicate with physically

The Aeldari will most likely insult you every step of the way

And vice versa because Imperium and filthy alien

Oh yeah also the farseer will often be extremely vague about a threat that will kill us all

"Well can you tell me where or what it is?"

"no mon'keigh, now stop asking"

[sand bloom]

Those are exceptional acts of what I could coin convenient armistaces at a very local level by local commanders versus an Imperial edict of truce

[opaque coyote]

As for the Tau, ironically the Imperium is the obstinate one in their interactions

Because the Tau are interested in cringe things like

"Not genociding another alien as soon as you see them"

"Actually doing diplomacy and talking things out"

[sand bloom]

Which they learned isn't always the right decision with ork

[gaunt sable]

Well not every time. :V

[sand bloom]

Normal death watch things

[opaque coyote]

Yeah generally it's hard to be civil when the race you're interacting with literally wants to kill you

And eat your children's brains

SM moment

[crystal forum]

the farseer then proceeds to backstab czevak because his meth induced vision told him it would be a good idea

i genuinely dislike how eldar have to be given dumb attributes as if the imperium needs any reason to hate them

[gaunt sable]

I don't think the Aeldari are skaven. :V

[opaque coyote]

It's less Eldar given dumb attributes to make the hatred justified

And more just

The Elf archetype

Also again, visions are generally supposed to be for the safety of the Eldar race

Like if you have to kill a monkey to make sure that an orphanage won't burn down

You'd probably do it

Unfortunately that's basically the viewpoint of the Eldar

But yeah they really need to stop relying on visions

Angron moment

The Aeldari literally made that situation have the worst possible outcome

They tried to smother what's essentially Baby Hitler to them

Only for him to turn out to be worse than Hitler

[dusk patrol]

Me, saving billions of Eldar by explaining to them the definition of “self fulfilling prophecy”

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the worst part about their vision is that you genuinely can't tell if it's a self fulfilling prophecy

Or if it's a prophecy that will happen if you do nothing

So doing nothing COULD prevent it

Or it can cause a Craftworld to fucking burn down because you did literally nothing

Overall

This is why the Necrons are superior

Because they have a better way of seeing into the fucking future

Too bad they're also kind of dumbasses as well.

[fallen marsh]

Whole Path of Eldar trilogy is about that.

[opaque coyote]

Like the reason they got themselves into robot bodies is partially because

They had more infighting than humanity

I'm not joking

Somehow they have less cohesiveness than us

The entire reason why the Silent King decided to attack the Old Ones is because he wanted the Necrontyr to literally stop killing each other into extinction

And even while fighting the Old Ones, they still did infighting

It literally took 99% of the population to basically be lobotomized

For them to have cohesiveness

"Hmmm... Why don't the Old Ones give us Immortality. I can't fathom why?"

[low gazelle]

HOLY SH

ASTRAL KNIGHTS ON TOP BB

[raven stone]

What?

[dusk patrol]

[crystal forum]

refuses to elaborate
leaves

[rose thorn]

Mild take, I fucking despise the idea of chaos sisters

I think it’s some of warhammers 40ks worse non space marine lore

[arctic talon]

how so

if you don't mind me asking

[opaque coyote]

I mean they're human so

ofc some sister of battles would be corrupted

if SMs, the brick walls that they are, can be corrupted or turn of their own free will

so can the Sisters of Battle

if you mean the Sisters of Silence

uhh

yeah that's stupid

they literally have anti-daemon repellant

how tf can you get corrupted if daemons literally feel pain and disappear when being near you

[rose thorn]

Usually 9/10 times it’s written as pure dog shit, any canon art of them is absolute trash

[opaque coyote]

but i don't think those exist

i hope

[celest dome]

Are there any Canon art of them?

[rose thorn]

There’s like 2 pieces

[celest dome]

There is 1. A named one

[rose thorn]

But they are from early early

[rose thorn]

(There is khorne ones now)

[arctic talon]

the murder curse is weird

[arctic talon]

Mirial Sabathiel is

[celest dome]

Bae

[arctic talon]

She was last mentioned like 5e

I think

or 6e

[celest dome]

Not sure if I would count those.
Would a Poxwalker Sister count as a Chaos Sister ?

[rose thorn]

Yea

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'm referring to theoritcal Chaos Sisters of Silence

IK Chaos Sisters of Battle exist

[arctic talon]

tbh the Murder Curse people have like

"fallen to chaos"

at least the ones who didn't go totally insane

pretty much everyone present but strong psykers, Grey knights, custodes and blanks fell

[opaque coyote]

I think there are examples of like

A sister forced to impersonate another one because she fell into chaos

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

and they don't want the public to know that

saving face

all that junk

[rose thorn]

Grey knights’ ONE single character falling to chaos is there for a good reason

But what does chaos sisters provide to the low

Lore*

[shell mason]

stream time

[opaque coyote]

Besides acknowledging the fact that anyone can fall?

Could make for some cool characters

potentially

[rose thorn]

But for who? It isn’t trh fantasy of chaos space marines or the fanasth of chaos cultist fans

[opaque coyote]

I mean they are human

They're not even super soldiers

[arctic talon]

idk

I think the variety is fine

[celest dome]

I mean, I would probably build Sister of Khorne if I started playing the TT again.

[shell mason]

dude chaos sisters of battle are fucking cool looking

[arctic talon]

its not like it makes 0 sense either

[celest dome]

Brass Sister led by Valkia

[opaque coyote]

They can fall into hopeless, despair, etc.

[rose thorn]

Also chaos sisters attract the worst fucking parts of the community

[arctic talon]

This is true

[rose thorn]

All of trh art is pure dog shit

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

what

[arctic talon]

idk

I think them existing is fine

[celest dome]

I suppose it's mainly the Slaanesh side?

[arctic talon]

its worldbuilding

[opaque coyote]

I mean it's something that makes sense

[rose thorn]

It’s generally pretty fetishy

[opaque coyote]

dude everywhere has fetishy art

the fucking Orks have fetish art

[rose thorn]

But all of it is pretty bad

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[rose thorn]

Also sisters aesthetic doenst work with chaos at all, Besides a ‘ooo corruptio

[rose thorn]

Probably referring to the nazi bdsm orks

[celest dome]

The what now ?

[opaque coyote]

by 101ho

[rose thorn]

This is 100% fetishy

[opaque coyote]

more referring to that one fic with a bunch of Orks and a Space Marine...

How in the fuck is that a Fetish

[rose thorn]

The hair is perfect condition, the skin, the eyes doing the thing and the mouth is full of god knows what

[celest dome]

Googling Sister of Khorne is mostly fine and not so pin up-y

[opaque coyote]

There is a fucking spike growing out her hair

There are eyeballs on her pauldron

She is gonna kill her past lover not of her free will

The fuck do you mean fetishy

[celest dome]

From.Ted Ardken

[rose thorn]

Yes

[rose thorn]

That’s fair except mid rift and tit spikes

Midriff?

No that’s not the word

[opaque coyote]

There is not even any naked parts showing

sorry wrong reply

[opaque coyote]

this

[rose thorn]

Trust me

[opaque coyote]

If it was fetishy, it'd be much more naked

That I know

I have been on Deviantart since I was 12 (unfortunately)

I fucking know what fetish art looks like

and that isn't it

[celest dome]

Art of the Sister of Chaos don't seem any more pin up-y than what Sister of Battle art I can see

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

It’s an armor crop top

Which some world eaters have

In art lul

[rose thorn]

Lmao fair

[arctic talon]

None of the minis have it because GW are cowards

[rose thorn]

Except uhhh

The first captain

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's supposed to be more about savagery if anything

[arctic talon]

But crop top khornate berserkers exist

[opaque coyote]

Something something

[arctic talon]

Which is funny

[rose thorn]

Kharn

[arctic talon]

Kharn just has no sleeves no?

[rose thorn]

Wait

What

[opaque coyote]

Huge bulging muscles tho

[arctic talon]

Does he have a crop top?

[rose thorn]

Oh my bad

[celest dome]

I think the eightbound have one but it's difficult to see

[opaque coyote]

But like yeah, in general @rose thorn I just think you might be seeing things

[rose thorn]

It is trust me

It’s very gross