40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

my dick is commnist

[opaque coyote]

For everyone eh

[dusk patrol]

There’s not a lack of tau dissidents

Including within the Tau themselves

[crystal forum]

seize the means ofr production

heheheh

[shell mason]

NOW FARSIGHT

[storm jungle]

Its still not as plenty

every imperial world

has a chaos cult

or a gsc one

[shell mason]

He is a man I fw heavy

[storm jungle]

Tau got em but its not that much since like

[dusk patrol]

That’s an exaggeration but a lot could or do

[storm jungle]

people either dont wanna rebel

or just get found out quickier

because Tau cities arent shitholes

[opaque coyote]

Basically,

Why cure em with years of research and invention for something that won't even work in the later stages...

When you can just fucking kill them.

[storm jungle]

Where brutality exists chaos cults always form to some degree, its more or less inevitable and half the point of the Imperium being self defeating.

[shell mason]

Remember when a Fire warrior literally couldn't get over the way to fight Daemons is by faith

[dusk patrol]

Tau also have a lot less people to keep track of and do a better job big brothering as a result

[storm jungle]

The point is that some cults dont even grow

[dusk patrol]

The Tau are still plenty brutal

[storm jungle]

some do, yada yada

[shell mason]

Unless your part of the Farsight Enclave

[dusk patrol]

They’re also brutal

[shell mason]

But all inclusive

[dusk patrol]

No one is a good guy

They’re not

[shell mason]

Oh please

[opaque coyote]

Also because there are like zero good alternatives

TF are you gonna do?

Go to the Imperium

[shell mason]

LITERALLY NO ONE IN 40K IS A GOOD GUY

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

They still enforce the caste system, the main difference is the Ethereals aren’t in charge

[storm jungle]

The Imperium is still very much more terrible is the thing. Tau are not good either but you also cant usualyl blame people for defecting to them so lol

[dusk patrol]

People really don’t read about the Farsight enclaves, it’s not some nation of freedom

[storm jungle]

its like a society run by Elon Musks

[shell mason]

ALL THERE IS A DEGREE OF EVILNESS

[opaque coyote]

You get actual food

[storm jungle]

Ramen too

no joke lol

[shell mason]

dead ass?

[storm jungle]

Yeah their food-stuff is mostly asian inspired

[opaque coyote]

Yup, this is why the Tau is the best faction

[storm jungle]

like one book describes it and its litrally fucking noodles

but they dont like namedrop it lol

[shell mason]

Oh that's cool af

[opaque coyote]

Also are there any books that talk about like

The daily life of a Gue'vesa

[dusk patrol]

The main downsides are the music and art sucks

[opaque coyote]

or a Tau citizen

[storm jungle]

There is some

but its like... scarce lol

[dusk patrol]

We get a little bit

[storm jungle]

also written by Phil Kelyl

[shell mason]

unlike Eldar

[dusk patrol]

There’s character in uh

I can’t remember which one

[shell mason]

They had it figured out before

yk

[opaque coyote]

I mean it sounds good to the Tau

But the Tau generally have a different hearing range compared to humans

So to humans it just sounds like

farts

and vine thuds

[dusk patrol]

I think even Tau have commented on it

[shell mason]

also

they legs be different

[storm jungle]

my favorite part of tau art lol

[shell mason]

.....

[opaque coyote]

Tau: "Bro guys this shit is fire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZa4rbcqBwo

[shell mason]

Ew witchfinder

[storm jungle]

look at their feet/leg and see how many times artists draw them differently

I was getting reference for a friend once

and god its so annoying

even the fucking minis do it

[shell mason]

Witchfinder

calm down

[dusk patrol]

I think at this point GW has just said they got different hoof types between different people

[storm jungle]

Yes/No basically

[dusk patrol]

To hand wave all the issues

[storm jungle]

again its just inconsistency so its whatever

[shell mason]

makes sense

yk lemme go to incognito mode and look it up

[storm jungle]

[shell mason]

what?

I don't want that shit in my analytics

[opaque coyote]

Imagine if Tau racism was a thing

[dusk patrol]

Why are all the links purple zero?

[storm jungle]

it kinda is

[dusk patrol]

It is

[storm jungle]

again, caste system

[shell mason]

Huh

[storm jungle]

have you looked at their source of inspiration

aka India

lol

[shell mason]

Shut your whore mouth

[dusk patrol]

They’ll literally execute Earth caste who try to defend themselves with weapons

[opaque coyote]

That's more classism if anything

[storm jungle]

Ehhhh

[dusk patrol]

It’s both

[storm jungle]

it varies from region to region

[opaque coyote]

Gaming

[storm jungle]

again people are complex

along with their absurdist views

lol

[opaque coyote]

"Bro you got differently shaped hooves. You fucking degenerate"

railgun blast

[storm jungle]

To be fair

you say that like we dont do that IRL

[dusk patrol]

On the bright side, government mandated booty calls

[opaque coyote]

Yeah fair

Racism is stupid

Humanity be like

"Your skin is slightly different, execution"

[shell mason]

Okay

I see your point witchfinder

[dusk patrol]

Mfw I got sent to the Taulag because I shared the super hidden Water and earth intercaste hand holding porn

[shell mason]

Some tau have hooves

other have feet

[opaque coyote]

If there are any decent ones

[shell mason]

just with less toes

[opaque coyote]

please share me the names so I can

buy it legally

yes

I will

buy it legally

[shell mason]

what

[dusk patrol]

[shell mason]

I was gone for like 2 minutes

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[gaunt sable]

Playing Rogue Trader and we actually get one of the few times we meet a Psyker thats somewhere between Omicron and Kappa on the Assignment.

One that's completely ignorant of their powers and only able to use them unconsciously.

[green loom]

Oooo

[shell mason]

oh my

[outer wave]

So question: if, by pure pure coincidence, you said 'Blood for the Blood God' with no knowledge of chaos nor influence from any cults, are you now a target of corruption by the ruinous powers?

[dusk patrol]

There’s no rule for this

Maybe maybe not

All of us? Probably not cause we’re all dorks

[outer wave]

Damn

[opaque coyote]

To put it simply, no.

Like Eternal said, there are no solid rules

But usually those who fall under corruption either verbally made a deal

Or did shit that would cause corruption

If you're just Hab Worker #5412

And you just said it without any awareness or anything

You won't

If you said it while like chopping up a person

100% definitely

It's also why Nobles fall to chaos a lot of the time

Like you also won't be marked for corruption by Slaanesh if you just did a bit of BDSM or whatever

[outer wave]

So, say, a hab worker with schizophrenia just yells out "For the Changer of Ways!" when beginning his shift would not cause him to be targeted by Tzeentch?

[opaque coyote]

Or painted an artwork

[outer wave]

True true

[opaque coyote]

Nah he probably wouldn't

Probably wouldn't even get a minor daemon to notice him

Also, our rejects say shit like "Blood for the Golden Throne" under the stress of combat

And they're "fine"

But tbf part of that is probably gameplay

[outer wave]

True but thats more the insidious nature of cult influence near where they heard those words, yeah?

[opaque coyote]

Regardless though, in terms of modern morality and standards. It'd take a lot to fall under the ruinous powers

[outer wave]

Its not like they randomly plucked up random words that just so happen to sound almost like a certain Ruinous Power phrase

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately though, 40k's sense of morality has gone down the shittier

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[outer wave]

Thats true

[opaque coyote]

Basically they were so bloodthirsty that they invoked Khorne by accident

Probably doesn't help that there were a bunch of chaos shit

The worst part about Chaos is that there's no clear line for where you "fall"

You can literally massacre an entire village

And Khorne wouldn't bat an eye

It all depends on luck, "interest", and knowledge

[outer wave]

You gotta get on Taurox's level for him to look your way I feel, especially if you're just a nobody

[opaque coyote]

I guess that is why it's called Chaos.

Because the proverbial cliff

constantly shifts for each person

If it was just about murdering one guy to get into Khorne's lap

All of the SMs would've already turned

Also for some reason, I'm imagining Angron angrily sitting on Khorne's lap while he tells him a story

Maybe it's because the mf doesn't stand up

[outer wave]

Khorne is a parapeligic

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I thought that maybe the gods do have a ""backstory""

But the backstory is like different?

If that makes any sense

Like all of them are true and all of them are false type of shit

Like Slaanesh is known to have formed from a bunch of eldar murder fuck cults

But also Slaanesh was there even before that technically

Since time in the warp is a mere suggestion

[outer wave]

I prefer if they didnt really have much backstory tbh

They're just bored evil gods that just vibe in the warp

Well aside from Slaanesh

[opaque coyote]

True, but humanity and such always love making backstories for their gods

So I can imagine cults like "creating" a story for why Khorne is there

And it became so popular that it "became" his backstory

But it also isn't since he has always existed

[outer wave]

It would be interesting to hear mythological creation stories from different cults of the same god

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, also, I know that the """good""" aspects of the Chaos Gods are basically bullshit

Like it's just plainly not true

But I wish it was?

[outer wave]

Its still kinda true

[paper haven]

No, but he should seek medical help anyway.

[outer wave]

Its just 40k is full of horrible people, thus chaos is dutifully worse

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's just the bad very much outweighs the good

[outer wave]

Yuh

[radiant lance]

Nurgle is definitely very jolly and familial

[opaque coyote]

I did imagine a manifestation of their "good" parts though

Like a shard of sorts

A random Greater Daemon of Khorne that's honorable. That kind of thing

I like the Chaos Gods to be more multi-facted

Like they're still evil, but they also encompass concepts y'know?

[paper haven]

Warhammer fantasy is a little better at showing the nuance of Chaos. Which is ironic because 40k has a literal galaxy to work with.

[outer wave]

^

Warhammer Fantasy actually has the norscans to worship them like typical gods, and not completely like what we think of them in 40k

Tzeentch is very associated with the winds so they get his blessing for good sailing

Khorne is prayed to for a good hunt

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. I have the idea of manifestations of different aspects of Khorne.

Like I thought of an idea where a shard of Khorne manifests as a tired soldier

[outer wave]

Nurgle is prayed to delay a disease outbreak and Slaanesh is for a celebration after a good hunt

[opaque coyote]

A soldier that just keeps fighting because they know nothing but war

Because sometimes, you HAVE to fight for the things you care about

Even if it's small

Like getting your papers in on time

[paper haven]

I even like how the Norscans view them. The hound, the serpent, ect. Like, they show it's possible to have some nuance there but 40k just doesn't do that. At all.

[opaque coyote]

And I want like a manifestation of that concept?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I find it sad

I was thinking of portraying the Chaos Gods with a bit more nuance

Not making them good

[outer wave]

Well, Im sure some of the books for 40k do that, but seldom

[opaque coyote]

Oh fuck no

But making them more like what they are

Concepts brought to life

[shell mason]

what

[paper haven]

I have seen it in exactly one book.

[outer wave]

Exactly

It exists

[paper haven]

Which, itself was a super weird book since it took place on a demon world and was basically warhammer fantasy in 40k.

[opaque coyote]

what's the book called

that sounds really interesting

[paper haven]

Uhhhhhh, hang on

[opaque coyote]

also would help for my fanfic that takes place on what's essentially a daemonworld

[paper haven]

The book is literally called Daemon world, by Ben Counter.

[shell mason]

https://youtube.com/shorts/htucMSjGaTI?si=L_e9RDCcoGAK5B_Z

if theres one thing I like about 40k

I love the individuals who feed the warp engines

[opaque coyote]

Evil Mechanicus be like

[paper haven]

Diabolical.

[opaque coyote]

"I love respecting human autonomy and their individual needs!"

Also, honestly. Imagine SM armor based on the weirder looking knight armors

Like

Imagine a SM helmet based on the frog helmet

[dusk patrol]

Kinda dumb

Doesn’t look like a frog at all

[paper haven]

Zero situational awareness with that helmet. I love it.

[arctic talon]

pitcher plant lookin ass

[low gazelle]

||So when calgar tells Titus to rise son of guillamen isnt that the voice of the emperor/||

Spoiler for sm2 ^^

[gaunt sable]

I'd argue that intent plays a huge role. A Guardsmen whose fighting on the frontlines isn't going to fall to Chaos just because.
He's gotta like. Actually start LIKING the killing. Get obsessed with it. A canker starts to take hold of the mind because the guy starts enjoying the spilling of blood and wants more for no other reason or purpose but because they just really get off on violence.

And then a voice whispers in his mind to start collecting skulls and shit and gets worse if he actually starts acting on it.

[shell mason]

the situational aware in the helmet would be amazing

[gaunt sable]

Someone doesn't fall to Slaanesh because they enjoy a good glass of spirits and having a wild weekend after a hard week of labor. It's about the excess for excess sake and that excess quickly turning weird, dark and taboo, because deep down their a Dorian Grey who seek stimulus and excess and mindless hedonism no matter the consequences or who it affects and only then do you start having some fucked up Slaaneshi whispers worming their way into your head goading you into doing more and seeing if you do it.

Someone just randomly falling to Chaos doesn't happen outside of like handling a tainted artifact or being in a really in warp fucked area or whatever along those lines.
Otherwise on some level the person's gotta want whatever the dark gods are selling.

.....Either that or their tricked into it.

At least that's how I've always seen it.

Because otherwise your just having people randomly fall to Chaos for experiencing regular human stuff.

[arctic talon]

we don't know

its mean to be ambiguous

anyone saying its absolutely X, Y or Z

is stupid

[low gazelle]

wouldnt that imply that titus is possibly capable off custodes level?

[arctic talon]

no?

what

[low gazelle]

Thatd be so sick

[arctic talon]

where the fuck did that come from

The Emperor can talk to whoever he wants

if we take the gameplay as lore accurate then Titus is fucking insane lol

considering he doesn't' get turned into a fucking pile of goo by a Neurothrope instantly

but I don't take gameplay as lore accurate

because it isn't

literally all the psykers in game are underpowered as shit lol

but thats probably so the game isn't unplayable garbage

[low gazelle]

ohhh ok

I didnt know game wasnt lore accurate

cause yknow named chahracters tend to be

[arctic talon]

I mean

who cares is my honest answer

Its a cool game

but my point is more so its not clear who is talking to Titus

maybe its the emperor, maybe its calgar, maybe its an old memory, maybe its his imagination

its best that way imo

[tough haven]

Chad magos' be like:

[crystal forum]

is titus edible

[crisp heath]

Finally got to play SM2

Gadriel is hot as hell, my first note

My second note, the stun system is really immersion breaking on the tyranids. There's always like 3 tyranid warriors on my screen patiently waiting their turn to be executed

[languid meadow]

I mean everyone is

[crystal forum]

are you

[languid meadow]

No

I'm a figment of your imagination

[crisp heath]

Also I'm pretty sure I saw a Gray Knight wearing something like this once

[crystal forum]

do a flip then

i have a cool imagination

[languid meadow]

I love the grey knight armor

[crisp heath]

Grey Knight terminator has something close to that helmet yeah

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-back-flip-gif-5547677

[crisp heath]

Still pissed that GW used the term "dreadknight" to just refer to a Grey Knight dreadnought when it should've been a wounded space marine interred in an Imperial Knight due to a lack of chapter resources

[rose thorn]

Chat I’m going insane waiting for stormcast release

[crystal forum]

buy more chaos warriors

[rose thorn]

[crystal forum]

i want more HH armour marks in plastic

@dusk patrol are resin armour marks truescale?

i was surprised to find out that my plastic mk3 are truescale

[dusk patrol]

The new ones are

Idk for older

[crystal forum]

like mk4, 5?

i dont want to buy old smoll marines

[arctic talon]

Mk4 and 5 are not

NUscale marines

[crystal forum]

damn

gotta wait 4 years for plastic release then

GIVE ME MORE HH GW

[arctic talon]

no

HH is lame

40k >

[rose thorn]

whats wrong you dont want more tanks you cant use in 40k?

[arctic talon]

no

I just don't like the lore as much

one side is clearly infinitely less deranged

and also the Imperium isn't as horribly evil yet

and there's no Xenos really

[rose thorn]

i hope xenso gets to matter since we are leaving the horus heresy now

[arctic talon]

or any full blown super heavy Chaos stuff until late heresy

[arctic talon]

We aren't

GW is going to keep Heresy in the late Heresy period

for 10,000 years

💀

[rose thorn]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

If you say scouring

its literally just more Loyalist vs traitor stuff

lol

[rose thorn]

the scouring

WHAT

[arctic talon]

???

[rose thorn]

WAHT DO YOU MEAN MORE LOYALISTS VS TRAITOR

WHAT

[arctic talon]

thats

literally what the scouring is

:????

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

there's like no Xenos involvement

are you

[rose thorn]

BUT

[arctic talon]

???

[rose thorn]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERES NO XENOS IN TEH SCOURING

[arctic talon]

there

literally aren't

lore wise they aren't really relevant

during it

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

did you not know that

💀

I guess Orks

[rose thorn]

i didnt beucase most of the HH books are bad

[arctic talon]

vaguely

this isn't HH lore

this is like core rulebook shit

[rose thorn]

what ever early 40k lore

[arctic talon]

bruh

its not early

IT WAS IN THE FUCKING 7e CODEX

💀

[rose thorn]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

I'm going to gnaw your legs off

[rose thorn]

i started at early 8th shush

[arctic talon]

smh

jokes aside I have very little interest in heresy lore wise

[rose thorn]

okay so, HH, the game system, is basing it self off of after the HH, the lore, and isnt going to take advantage of it at all?

[arctic talon]

I mean

it will take advantage of HH

by just

making more marines

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

????

is this weird to you

[rose thorn]

YES

[arctic talon]

Heresy is literally the marine game

[rose thorn]

i know but they could fucking try

to do anything

[arctic talon]

GW literally nerfed almost all the AP3 shooting in the game

to make marines better

lol

[arctic talon]

thats what 40k is for

For xenos

and everything else

[rose thorn]

WE GET NOTHING

[arctic talon]

I enjoy more

thats

literally a lie

[rose thorn]

(gsc fan)

[arctic talon]

but okay

GSC

literally don't exist lore wise in any significant manner during that period

💀

[rose thorn]

yea i know

dont worry

[arctic talon]

GSC also literally got megamind

this edition

smh

[rose thorn]

iwas mainly refering to eldar for scouring

or like

[arctic talon]

Orks

its just eldar or orks lol

[rose thorn]

anything taht woudl take advantage of the biggest faction being split in half in a war

[arctic talon]

Tau are still literally single celled organisms

[arctic talon]

The CWE are literally isolationists aside from Beil'tan

[rose thorn]

can we at least getnew demons?

i beg gw

[arctic talon]

good joke

Ruinstorm

gets the shortest stick

covered in spikes

[rose thorn]

and its the ugliet models to man

[arctic talon]

Well

some of them look very good

unless they stopped selling them

[rose thorn]

i need to try to liek 40k again ive burnt my self on it so hard

[arctic talon]

if you say Ka'bahnda or the brutes are ugly

I am killing you

[arctic talon]

Then you're not going to like Heresy either????????

what sort of logic is this

[rose thorn]

i already dont lmao

i think we are both confused

[arctic talon]

ngl I got into the hobby when people thought the game was literally going to die

lol

so my perspective is pretty happy about everything 💀

and granted it probably was going to get taken out back and executed

[rose thorn]

i am cursed for eveyrthing i liek to be bad lol

[arctic talon]

if GW didn't purge 99% of its upper managment

[arctic talon]

Play killteam

GSC are top tier with 2 dif teams

They're just like the second hardest team to play in the game

for wyrmblade

[rose thorn]

yeah i have a wyrmblade team lol

[arctic talon]

ngl

the last 2 white dwarf teams

were on some meth

Warpcoven and wyrmblade are both

absurdly hard to pilot + complex

lol

[rose thorn]

it was the wrym blade and warp coven right?

oh lmao

[arctic talon]

Wrymblade + brood brothers

are both very strong

[rose thorn]

warpcoven gets to is tzeentch

[arctic talon]

Warpcoven literally lobotomizes

the average person trying to read its rules

Brood bros is just really flexible

[rose thorn]

im having a stroke who were the wyrmblade operators again? it was kelermorph, both snipers

and osmeone else

[arctic talon]

you get 10 bodies + a strong character or 3 extra dudes

or the fucking patriarch

[rose thorn]

ASHSHFGHAHBHB

god brood brothers is so fucking stupid

[arctic talon]

Kelermorph, Sanctus, Locus

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH LOCUS

[arctic talon]

Brood bros get the Primus, magus or patriarch

Primus and Magus are both good

Patriarch is

really really fucking strong

[rose thorn]

you literally only get locus for killteams lmao

[arctic talon]

Is locus that bad

on the tabletop lol

[rose thorn]

IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY LMAO

[queen laurel]

How strong is an average Goliath in necromunda

[arctic talon]

I've literally never seen it

[rose thorn]

hes a melee body guard

[arctic talon]

Oh

oh yeah nvm

thats not great

like ever

[rose thorn]

HUHHHAHHAFH yeah

[arctic talon]

I think the only good melee bodyguard

is like

the ogryn

[rose thorn]

pretyty good, nothing is bad

[arctic talon]

and even then he's meh

And thats mostly since ogryn are batshit insane this edition

[queen laurel]

in terms of physical strength by the way lore wise

[rose thorn]

you get the best gun in terms of damage ot credits

[rose thorn]

space steriods

literally as strong as space marines

[queen laurel]

without armor huh damn

[arctic talon]

I hate this shit

so much

Patriarch

is such

a fucking PAIN

[rose thorn]

my favoirte part

[arctic talon]

steals your plasma gunner

fucking unloads on you

[rose thorn]

the brood brothers, dont have tabeltop rules

the model

models

[arctic talon]

lol

killteam moment

They got hand of the archon'd

[rose thorn]

THEY DID LMAO

literally i fthey gave them rules

[queen laurel]

Is this supposed to be necromunda

[rose thorn]

so many armies would be fine

[arctic talon]

Killteam

[queen laurel]

oh yeah

[arctic talon]

Hand of the archon didnt' get any of its options in 40k

[rose thorn]

the brood change killed so many gsc armies

[arctic talon]

and neither did the Phobos KT

[queen laurel]

i should've guess it was kill team with the color

[arctic talon]

or the uh

[rose thorn]

we gto shot in the foot so hard

[arctic talon]

I forgor

[rose thorn]

they did, it was weapon options

[arctic talon]

No

they don't get the KT options

lol

[rose thorn]

oh?

[queen laurel]

ork gameplan seems to be at least from what I'm seeing shoot them until you get close enough to them that you can pummel them into a bloody red paste

[arctic talon]

you don't get the mini sniper

or the annoying camo cloak

[queen laurel]

in killteam

[arctic talon]

in 40k

orks in killteam are melee focused yeah

lol

[rose thorn]

i swore they did

my bad

[arctic talon]

well

I guess you can count uh

them being allowed to run the helix gauntlet

sorta

because GW stopped selling the monopose infiltartors

lol

For awhile

[rose thorn]

they did?

[arctic talon]

yeah

the multi pose infiltrator team

doesn't come with the gauntlet

[dusk patrol]

Reivers languishing with shit rules for so long is still so weird to me.

[queen laurel]

Do i only need to nab the rule book for kill team because i don't think they have group rules sets

[dusk patrol]

I feel like they're such an easy money maker for GW.

[queen laurel]

For like each squad

[arctic talon]

reivers are literally only good in killteam

[dusk patrol]

They have so much reiver art, they get so much focus.

[queen laurel]

I want to read the lore behind it i suppose

If there is any anyway

[dusk patrol]

I see them everywhere.

[arctic talon]

there's not a ton of lore in the KT rule books

aside from the uh

big ones

imo its not super worth it

[rose thorn]

i think reivers being bad is th emian reason i dont have a 40k army

i men

space marine

not 40k

[arctic talon]

Reivers are so funny in KT

lol

[rose thorn]

[queen laurel]

I guess those weird stories they post in the warhammer community are the best i will get

[rose thorn]

im goign insane lmao

[rose thorn]

crazy that their rules are tied to a box taht doesnt include them

well thats if they are in 3.0 in the 'classified' bullshit section

[arctic talon]

they are

[arctic talon]

meh thats fine for KT imo

[arctic talon]

Blades of khaine also have that

[dusk patrol]

They look so cool

[rose thorn]

fair, except that hte units in quetsions i think already had KT rules

for craft worlds

[arctic talon]

No

[rose thorn]

the banshees?

[arctic talon]

nah

only guardians

had KT rules

[rose thorn]

THE REVIERS ARE SO COOL I LOVE THEM

AAAAAA

[arctic talon]

and the blades of khaine rules

are odd

[rose thorn]

i heard

[queen laurel]

Is this supposed to be like scout marines but way better

[arctic talon]

They're good

just kind of strange

[dusk patrol]

They’re an evolution of that sorta yeah

Scouts primary role is to tech the scouts and also have them fill a combat role

[rose thorn]

They are terrorism marines

[dusk patrol]

The vanguard company is an evolution of that roll for the battle brothers

[rose thorn]

Gulliman was like ‘oh shit we don’t have night lords anymore’

And gave every chapter mini night lords

[dusk patrol]

Reivers are the terror fast attack troops yeah

[queen laurel]

Ah yes terror tactics

[rose thorn]

And then I guess they are like the true night lords and are bad </3

Like father like son

[queen laurel]

It's just really funny to me that they look like scout marines but they do the job of scout marines better

Or you know supposed to

[rose thorn]

Scout marines are,,, are they shotgun guys are sniper guys?

[queen laurel]

They are reconnaissance scouting and of course sometimes assassinating the enemy

[rose thorn]

This art is so stupid I love it

[dusk patrol]

They work with them, full marines always worked with the scouts prior, this just lets them fulfill the role properly

[rose thorn]

I hate to correct you but that’s no treivers in the first picture :3

[dusk patrol]

They very, some use heavy bolters, some snipers, some shotguns whatever

[dusk patrol]

Those are Reivers

[rose thorn]

Those are Hounds of Morkai actually uwu

[dusk patrol]

As I said, Reivers

[rose thorn]

Space wolves are so fucking stupid

[queen laurel]

Well thank goodness at least that inquisition group that likes the imperium to stay what they are and not improve even a little bit are not being given attention

[rose thorn]

I physically can’t read their lore

Without my blood pressure raising

I almost like them tbh lmao

Just for that

[dusk patrol]

I wasn’t sold on them at first but they’ve grown on me

[rose thorn]

Can’t wait to use terrorisim on demons!!!

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day they’re 8 foot tall super soldiers with 3 foot knives

[rose thorn]

True

[dusk patrol]

That’s kinda my favorite part of SM2

Most games if you’re the sniper you’re a weaker dude who can’t hang as much, or the heavy would be bad at melee

Nah, you can still kick a shitton of ass as heavy and sniper and whatever in SM2

Melee isn’t as ideal but you still shred

Yeah that dude maybe be a little under equip to deal with a melee threat compared to the guy with a thunder hammer but at the end of the day he can still rip a tank sized Tyranid limb from limb

Yeah as heavy you may not have a melee weapon but you can still just stomp and club mfers to death

The scrappiness of it is fun

[rose thorn]

I am very curious what direction the game will go

[dusk patrol]

For now rebalance some of the underperforming weapons

Increase enemy density in higher difficulties or add modifiers to do it so people don’t cry

Fix bugs and shit, follow the roadmap

Hopefully add more enemies to Tsons

Their unit variety is a bit low rn

[queen laurel]

they buffed the blunt power weapons how are those doing

you know the hammer and the fist

[dusk patrol]

They only really buffed the fist

Largely they just made it much easier to survive in melee

[queen laurel]

is it good now?

[dusk patrol]

It’s better on bulwark than the assault

On assault fist could probably be better at single target damage

It rn ends up being a worse thunder hammer

Which is amusing because that’s basically what it is on the table top often or has been

Bulwark has very good clear with parries and abilities though so its single target hits work better

[queen laurel]

honestly i will admit bulwark is different he is carrying a storm shield and a pistol on one hand even though lower wise you need to hold them with only one hand because they are so heavy

[dusk patrol]

Marines generally can carry storm shields in one arm fine, they’re heavy but they’re not that bad

[queen laurel]

yeah but holding a weapon and carrying a storm shield?

lore said they can't do that but this guy is doing it fine

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely awkward I’m sure to learn but it’s part of the training

We’ve seen it before

[queen laurel]

which is better for bulwark the parrying weapon type or the extra damage but really can't parry weapon type for power fist

[dusk patrol]

Fencing is basically always better

Powerfist unfortunately doesn’t get one until the purple tier

And one after that so it’s a tougher time leveling

Sword also isn’t bad at all, fist is fine but it could use more of a proper identity

Plasma pistol is also super useful for bulwark for stunning enemies calling for help and burst dps

[queen laurel]

i just want to punch something

so almost always fencing right

[dusk patrol]

I’ve never seen a reason to not take it tbh

[queen laurel]

that's the one where you parry easier

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

It extends the window

[queen laurel]

What's the other one called again the one that just doesn't allow you to parry but makes up for it from hilarious amounts of damage

[dusk patrol]

Block

Unfortunately damage values rn don’t do a lot and parrying is so good that block is basically always terrible

As I said I’d love to see them adjust some melee values and some bolt weapons

[queen laurel]

i mean parrying is very needed so that you can execute the target you parried and save yourself easier

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s a very key thing

[queen laurel]

especially on higher difficulty where

hordes will eat you alive if you don't execute

[dusk patrol]

Block I feel like needs to be removed and changed or the weapons need to be buffed a lot

[dire apex]

Rn it’s basically choose either weapon that keeps you alive but feels like nerfbat or weapon that does some damage but you die

[dusk patrol]

With how damage values work rn it’s not worth it at all

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t change the damage that much

[dire apex]

Choice might as well not exist so block should just be gone

Make the weapons that people will actually use feel good

[dusk patrol]

A lot of times the damage boost doesn’t change breakpoints at all for melee weapons

[dire apex]

Didn’t think so but even if it did it would still be silly

[queen laurel]

how is the optimization of the game by the way for like low end pcs

it seems very appealing but i am waiting for it to cook a little

[dusk patrol]

But yeah some stuff needs to be adjusted

[dire apex]

My frames get cooked on certain parts of certain missions

[dusk patrol]

Not sure but it seems to largely be well done

I have a 2070 super and I can play on medium to high fairly easy

Not without some stuttering sometimes but largely it doesn’t have issues

[dire apex]

First third of inferno and the end of vox populi send my frames into the gutter

[dusk patrol]

You might have to kill the graphics to low but it does run well enough for me

I was surprised by how well it’s done I was pretty worried I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it

[opaque coyote]

He ran along the primary trench, heading south, his powerful legs pounding the muddy duckboards. He was unusually short for a Space Marine. In the militia, there were standard humans – mundanes, some of the brothers called them – who cast as long a shadow as he did. Few cast a shadow as wide, however, for what Voss lacked in height, he more than compensated for in hard, grainy muscle. There was nothing he could do about his height, and not a few of the Chapter’s Apothecaries looked at him askance whenever he passed by. Perhaps it was a kind of unconscious compensation, but Voss had become prone to voluntary sessions of extreme physical training. His muscles swelled beyond their already significant gene-boosted mass. His armour had to be adjusted by the Chapter’s tech-servitors. Then it had to be adjusted again, and again. Finally, he had been told – no, commanded! – to grow no thicker. His strength and power had outstripped those around him, but concerns had arisen about his mobility in the field. So far, these had not been borne out. But nevertheless, with some reluctance, Voss had acceded to the demands of his superiors. He grew no bigger and, from that moment, trained only to maintain what he had.

What he had remained formidable. As he ran to shore up a potential weakness in the southern defences, he carried not one but two portable Hellfire missile launchers, fully loaded, one in either armoured hand.

• Deathwatch

I fucking love the line

"He had been told - no, commanded! -to grow no thicker"

Imagine being the Serf that has to tell this short stack beefcake

"Stop growing muscles please. We literally can't make armor fast enough to fit you"

[shadow plover]

think the writer had a thing for extra bulgy muscles

[opaque coyote]

I mean Steve Parker, the author himself, is 5'8"

But also built like a brick house

So this might be a self insert

Although I have to wonder

What would Voss look like if he crossed the Rubicon and became Primaris

[thick cedar]

What would happen if a psyker dyed their hair white like a sister of battle

[shadow plover]

They'd have white hair

[thick cedar]

i couldve asked that better. What would happen if a sister of battle saw it

[celest dome]

They most likely wouldn't care

[green loom]

They'd have white hair that a sister of battle saw

[celest dome]

As long as you don't try to pass yourself as one at least

[thick cedar]

I thought they wouldve taken offence to it

[green loom]

They don't really have a monopoly on white hair

[celest dome]

They aren't really only with white hair either

Some are with blood red, some without set hair colours

[radiant lance]

Where do they get all the hair dye?

[green loom]

Life finds a way

[celest dome]

Bone powder ?

[small grail]

abbadons only fans is on sale this week boys

[shadow plover]

real shit?

[small grail]

yes

[small grail]

solid investment i will say brother

[shell mason]

Lotara sarrin

totally goated

[small grail]

mhm

[tough haven]

Just watched the third episode of the tithes and holy shit, Ork snipers are real

[storm jungle]

they've been real since their kill-team update

so like 2 years ago now

[shadow plover]

Could've sworn they had one in Dawn of War 2 but seems I was misremembering things

[storm jungle]

yeah it was a big deal when the KT got released since one of their heavy machinegunners had a proper scope and shit

even funnier since their entire design is based on British SAS commandoes lmao

[queen laurel]

what's funnier is that their sniper rifle is belt fed

and has two sights

which means that if he wanted to he could switch this into big shoota mode

[storm jungle]

Yeah its fucking great lmao

looney toons ahh gun

[shadow plover]

man, I've had half of the commando squad as WIP for three years now

parts of the squad had some inspirations from various military groups beyond SAS too

but the beanies and jackets some of them have are very bri'ish

Didn't have many up-to-date pics but this one was my favourite of the ones I painted

[storm jungle]

man that skorpion bolter is cool as hell

[green loom]

I call it the Skorter

Also I'll finally be able to play Darktide at decent FPS in 3 days

[tough haven]

Why’s that?

The new patch made it perform like hot garbage for me

[shadow plover]

for me it definitely raised the performance

[tough haven]

Like am I just doing something wrong?

[green loom]

New computer

[tough haven]

I’m at minimum settings and 5 worker threads

[shadow plover]

the usual suspect is rtx turned on after a patch but you've probably checked that already

[tough haven]

And I meet the minimum reqs

[tough haven]

I’ll check

[shadow plover]

and worker thread count is very subjective based on what processor your system has

[green loom]

Performance has been slowly degrading on my current PC since launch though I can't tell if that's the game doing it or my PC dying slowly

And this means it went from "Barely tolerable" to just not lol

[tough haven]

It used to be 10 and ran fine

[shadow plover]

Lowering doesn't strictly mean better performance

[queen laurel]

That is sick

[shadow plover]

Cheers

[rose thorn]

Average AOS W https://www.warhammer-community.com/_next/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwarcomprod2024productionstorage.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fwhday_mini-oct4-image1.jpg&w=1200&q=100

[queen laurel]

Damn that sorcerer has drip

[rose thorn]

Armored wizards are awesome

[bold rampart]

whats this ugly tyranid mf called

[queen laurel]

oh shit Issue 505 of White Dwarf is ork related

[queen laurel]

a Genestealer Patriarch

[rose thorn]

That’s our blessed 4 Armed Emperor!

[bold rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-dutch-van-der-linde-dutch-rdr-gif-6067654723125371335

[rose thorn]

the 40k crusade rules for armies are in White Dwarfs this edition?!

[plush mason]

fighting one in rogue trader was hella scary

fucking one shot Pascal and Abelard

[gray umbra]

Not the homie abelard

[crystal forum]

ABELARD YOU WILL BE AVENGED

i swear whenever an enemy downs abelard i go into super sayan mode

[rose thorn]

eitehr today or tomororw im gonna blow 100 dolalrs on the warhammr dominion box

the most important thing a poor ocllege student like me should be using he rmoney on

[rose thorn]

(its plasma donation money)

[dusk patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Spacemarine/comments/1fsqncz/upcoming_content_that_i_extracted_from_the_game/

Some datamined cosmetics

White scars, Raven Guard, Salamander and Dark Angel stuff plus the volkite pistol

Not clear if it’s for the next roadmap spot or not, besides the DA and Volkite pistol

[rose thorn]

wait, primaris have volkite pistols?

liek the hh ones?

[raven stone]

Not on tabletop.
But you cannot stop them from giving what fans want, I suppose.

[crystal forum]

wait so you literally sold your blood for warhammer

[raven stone]

(But if they were TRULY lore accurate and brave, all the Volkite Weapons would look a bit too small because they were designed for Firstborn)

[rose thorn]

yes!

[raven stone]

(And Primaris are supposed to be larger than Firstborns, I am told)

[rose thorn]

i will get my evil hunter woman stormacst

[raven stone]

Blood for the plastic crack, Skulls for the throne of paint!

[crystal forum]

i dont know how i should feel about the fact that i dont get money for blood in my country

[rose thorn]

i need to get my vulture ready for orktober :3

i lvoe kruleboyz

[celest dome]

We can't get money from any donation, we do get some food

[crystal forum]

i tried giving some of my O- life juice but got denied for being gay lol

[raven stone]

Most blood donations give you a snack for…refuelling your own blood, from what I understand

[raven stone]

…wut.
The city I gave blood in probably wouldn’t care if you were…

[rose thorn]

did you try to donate on amilitary base??

[celest dome]

Think my country has stopped the no gay rule, can't give rn due to tattoo I think

[rose thorn]

also 0- isnt every useful tbh, its the rarest but uh, not great

[crystal forum]

wdym it's the one that can be given to all

AB+ is useless

O- is universal donor

[rose thorn]

0- can donate to only negatives?

also for plasma its the opposite

AB+ plasma si teh univeral plasma donor

0- is the unvieral plasma gainer

[raven stone]

I have O+
So…All the Pluses can take my blood.
I can receive anything O.

[rose thorn]

idk hwo it worked i suck at micro biology

[crystal forum]

no that's positive

negative can give to positive and negative

positive can only give to positive

[queen laurel]

blood for the blood god i suppose

[raven stone]

Isn’t there a type of blood so rare the people kind of have to donate to their own backup?

[crystal forum]

that goes into stuff that's beyond the normal negative positive thing afaik

since of course biology is complicated

[raven stone]

True

[dusk patrol]

They do

Neo volkite which is what we’re getting

[raven stone]

…huh

[dusk patrol]

Its currently only a pistol for lieutenants on the table top

[raven stone]

Ah ok

Fair enough then.

[dusk patrol]

It’s rules are pretty lame compared to the heresy version but that’s the pistol we’re getting for SM2

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure that’s also a law in my country as well and even if it wasn’t all donations are done in Churches so they’d probably enforce it anyway

[gloomy citrus]

Cawl's toy.

Because the Mechanicus can't stop losing the blueprints for good shit.

[dusk patrol]

Tbh they might have the blueprints it’s just volkire is super expensive to make

Neo-volkite was an attempt to make a cheaper version

[opaque coyote]

I just fucking realized that Sulla's excerpts are basically Sandy Mitchell taking the piss off of the average 40k books. It's literally a meta joke

Because a lot of the combat logs for the faction codexes. Along with some of the older 40k books

Read exactly like Sulla's writing

That makes her segments

Infinitely funnier

I think one of my favorite parts is when Amberley describes Sulla's writing as a

"Vicious attack on the defenseless gothic language"

[dusk patrol]

Can’t really blame Cain tbh

“Commissar in my defense, she looks like that.”

“Hmmm…your defense is noted.”

[opaque coyote]

Is that Sulla or another character I am unaware of

[dusk patrol]

Cain when he remembers what he wrote in those memoirs Amberly is going through

[opaque coyote]

Cause she actually looks a bit horse faced

[dusk patrol]

It’s Amberly

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I don't remember character descriptions and I basically only remember how Cain and Jurgen looks

Mainly because they actually appear in cover art

Front and centerish

[dusk patrol]

Amberly mostly gets her ass described tbf

[opaque coyote]

The Tau think that the Greater Good is some nebulous xenos philosophy

When in fact the true greater good is that ass

[dusk patrol]

It was for Cain at least

The catty comments from Vail are always amusing after Cain describes a girl he had a fling with

[opaque coyote]

Vail being salty at a certain tech priest and where her one of her mechandrites was

Even while trying to be as professional as possible too

[opaque coyote]

Also in For the Emperor, there is a bit where the Ordos Xenos was genuinely confused at the Tau Rebels quietly putting their guns down for the Tau

But meanwhile they shout, riot, and scream for the Imperium authorities

Now this is actually due to Mind Control in the book

Because

Tau

But I think it would've been a bit more grimdark

But also funny

That the Imperium just genuinely don't understand how to deescalate the situation other than being a dick and firing at the protestors

Like they just cannot comprehend actually using proper de-escalation tactics

"What do you mean 'Talk the protestors down and negotiate'? Just fucking shoot them!"

[outer wave]

I will forever hate the Ethereal mind control shit

Its such a tacked on idea to make a faction "grimdark"

[opaque coyote]

I mean the Tau have always been a bit dark ever since their inception.

But I still genuinely think that they should've just been like...

The straight man.

Cause they are, but the Ethernal mind control and death camps kinda ruin it a bit.

Like I get that's the appeal of the setting, and I don't actually mind it that much

[raven stone]

I would say it’s GW being bad at writing.
Like, I can actually buy the idea of “true” T’au being biologically more susceptible to Ethereal influence due to the way the species is evolved or structured.

As for the rest? GW writers themselves remind us that T’au rely on gunboat diplomacy
Asking you to join them or be pulverised by heavy firepower is not exactly a nice choice

They are only marginally nicer than the Imperium, in that they welcome all species.

[dusk patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/vtov46/the_tau_were_never_genuinely_good_or_noblebright/

The mind control has always been a thing

[opaque coyote]

But I think it would've been way more interesting if the Tau didn't have mind control. Keep the caste system and the death camps

But make it so that the Tau are just an alliance.

[dusk patrol]

It’s more implied than outright

But the Tau have always been Grimdark and evil

[outer wave]

Thats the thing I would like: a "fish out of water" faction thats basically are the only ones with some semblance of reason while in a galaxy full of unreasonable factions. They are still dark (they dont treat auxillaries and defectors from the Imperium that well as an example) but them being more 'reasonable' is a fun contrast.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I am aware.

I'm just thinking it would've been more interesting without it

[dusk patrol]

I can understand that although I don’t agreed I’m just pointing out they weren’t “made evil” later like many like to say

They were always evil

[raven stone]

Also also, admittedly, the kind of “evil” T’au are good at don’t make for good action stories or war games.

Tau are the sort that will sell addictive substances to a local population to get them all hooked, then increase trade missions, then increase protection for said trade missions and then - whoops - you have just unknowingly surrendered all power to them.

I mean, Opium Wars are a thing.

[dusk patrol]

They’re still better than most alternatives but they’ve never been “noblebright” or whatever

[opaque coyote]

Also there is a fanfic called Brighthammer

It basically makes the 40k universe a utopia

But the funniest thing is that the Tau are literally the exact same, and they're treated as the bad guys

[dusk patrol]

That is fairly amusing

I kinda hate the whole term noblebright anyways

[opaque coyote]

I mean "noblebright" is literally just

"Not completely shit"

Or just

"optimistic"

[outer wave]

I dont like that term either

[raven stone]

TBF GW did try to walk back by being extra vague-in-denial about whether the Vespid Helmets were control devices or not.

That, along side less mind control mentions, is about as close as we can get to mind control being removed.

[dusk patrol]

I know what it means

It’s just a dumb term imo

[outer wave]

Honestly make them a bit like the covenant: an alliance, but not all the members in the alliance are treated that well or even equally

I guess they're already that lmao

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day all auxiliaries are subservient and would have been forced at gunpoint

[raven stone]

They could even make the T’au a bit like ADVENT from X-Com.
(…and yes I am aware of the irony that both their highest ranking members are called Ethereals)

[outer wave]

I dont know Xcom that well lmao

[raven stone]

Again, GW being bad at writing. They constantly fail to stress that T’au are operating on gunboat diplomacy, only they are not picky about what you look like

[dusk patrol]

I don’t really think so

People don’t read this stuff

[raven stone]

Fair enough lol.

[dusk patrol]

It’s the same as salamanders doing a lot of fucked up stuff but no one reads so they ignore it

[raven stone]

Ok, true, the other part of the problem.

Fandom being wilfully blind.

[dusk patrol]

Or Lamenters being dumbass traitors to the imperium who constantly make dumbass choices

[raven stone]

(Even I am aware of my own blind spots to the Imperium in general every now and and then)

Although, in somewhat fairness to the Lamenters.
The writers actually know what genuine bad luck is.
I have, from other franchises, seen writers use bad luck as the sole justification for poor character choices

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, half the situations the Lamenters are in aren't their fault or ironically the issue of the Imperium.

[dusk patrol]

Eh a lot are

[opaque coyote]

And the other half is genuine dumbass choices

[dusk patrol]

They choose the worst fucking battles and allies

[opaque coyote]

Like the Badab war is on them

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely some bad luck

[raven stone]

Badab war is very much an “Honour before Reason” choice for Lamenters.

[dusk patrol]

But people also don’t read their stuff either

They’re so fucking stupid in Badab

[raven stone]

Badab war is just one giant idiot plot, unfortunately

[dusk patrol]

It’s insane they didn’t get destroyed completely

[raven stone]

On everyone’s part.

Like, even the final cordon was an utter failure, in a sense.

[opaque coyote]

I mean their first battle, their allies literally just left them over a stupid superstition that they didn't know that even mattered

And what was meant to be an ordinary battle

Turned into a shit show because HALF THEIR FORCES LITERALLY LEFT OVER SOMETHING STUPID

Oh yeah of course

And their Geneseed that was meant to be immune to the flaws of their parent chapter. Y'know black rage and all that.

Turns out it fucking wasn't

Honestly their bad luck isn't constant catastrophes

It's more like

You know how you have a bad day. Like you forget your keys, it rains despite the forecast saying it was a sunny day

That type of shit?

Unfortunately even small problems for SMs are huge. And it just fucking compounds

They not only have bad luck, but are also honorable to a literal fault

[rose thorn]

Is displate just doing fan art now too?

[gray umbra]

Exclusive slop

[rose thorn]

This looks like dog shit

[languid meadow]

They've always done fan art

[dusk patrol]

Some of this pretty good some of it I don’t care for

[languid meadow]

Some of the best things on that site are fan art

[dusk patrol]

Not paying for that anyways but hey

If people wanna buy it

[slate geode]

Does 40k have like the equivilant of Skavern? i wanna fight more types of enemies in Darktide

[versed ledge]

Hey, everyone

[crisp heath]

Tyranids

[versed ledge]

Rember

[dusk patrol]

Not directly

[crisp heath]

But actually no

[versed ledge]

Who truly loves you

[dusk patrol]

But there’s plenty of other horde factions

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[versed ledge]

Orks and the guard

[dusk patrol]

Orks, other chaos, Nids, Genestealers

[versed ledge]

Can't keep the grinder going if the grinder is either jammed or molded

[versed ledge]

What, just spreading the star children's message of "love, laugh, eat"

[raven stone]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[dusk patrol]

If FS ever decides to genestealer cult is an obvious addition that can be done but until then, if it’ll ever happen, we have what we have

[gray umbra]

Ork me fatshark

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-fire-shoot-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-gif-3432291

[queen laurel]

Man they just have way too many similar things on the base game to be neat

[dusk patrol]

That’s largely why I think it would work better

It’s a lot of just reskinning enemies and adding some new elites and stuff

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's probably just going to feel rather repetitive

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t be against Orks or whatever that’s for sure

[versed ledge]

Never change grim dark fans, never change

[dusk patrol]

For it and SM2

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-punch-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-lamenter-ork-spacemarine-gif-19069763

Give me this as an execution

[queen laurel]

They work better on their own on their own game but not as enemies on a tide game

[dusk patrol]

I think they’d work fine tbh it’s just a lot of effort

You can’t reuse much for assets and it’s very different animations

[queen laurel]

Space marine they definitely work

On darktide not a chance

[dusk patrol]

Space marine would let you get a lot more creative

Give a Mekboy and killa can mini boss

[queen laurel]

I mean on the first game they did it a second go around wouldn't hurt

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Even though nurgle daemons are canonically tough, they look like things you can hack apart with shovels

That won't fly with orks

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day these are games

[arctic talon]

You could prolly beat a Gretchen to death with a shovel

Lol

[dusk patrol]

3 Marines shouldn’t be fighting dozens and dozens of Nid warriors and rubrics and lictors and helbrutes and whatever

[arctic talon]

The space sharks book making Tyberos look cool as shit 1v3ing 3 nid warriors

[dusk patrol]

Four inquisition agents shouldn’t be taking on dozens of Ogryns and daemon hosts and chaos spawn and so on

[queen laurel]

Yeah but boy now charging your direction?

That thing is going to tear you a new one

[dusk patrol]

With Orks they’d just have to make it a fairly minor waggghh

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like even savage orks can make a steam powered titan

[dusk patrol]

Guardsmen fight Orks a lot and win, including in melee

[dusk patrol]

Some can

It’s not common

[queen laurel]

They are going to make a lot of nerfing

[dusk patrol]

Most Orks aren’t the ones we see being super dangerous

They’re super variable

We’re always seeing the biggest and the baddest normally