#40k-lore-chat

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arctic talon
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They prolly get to read

barren prawn
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bruh they worship them as angles

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saying a space marine has a human name is prolly a crim

bold rampart
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no?

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they have names for a reason lmao

arctic talon
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Lol

barren prawn
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i disagree

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and i think ur all wrong

bold rampart
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i dont care

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🖕angymorrow 🖕

arctic talon
leaden pilot
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There are a few named angels irl, and saying their names isn't a blasphemy as far as I know in catholicism, so why should saying an astarte's name be one

bold rampart
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it isnt a crime

leaden pilot
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Yeah, I know

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It'd be weird

bold rampart
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well, 40k is weird

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but yeah

rose thorn
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Relic or combat item?

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Wrong chat-

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Sorry

dusk patrol
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Too late, we saw it

gray umbra
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Maggie stress +5

dusk patrol
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And we’re all judging and laughing

rose thorn
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I meant to post in the DD SEVRERRR

gray umbra
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Meltdown

rose thorn
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Fr

rose thorn
rose thorn
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If you care I got Proxy doll so we win these

barren prawn
paper haven
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Regular people believe space Marines are on par with mythical creatures. The vast majority never even see one, so someone who knows the name of one would be a rarity. More likely held in high regard than punished.

storm jungle
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the books literally have fucking venerated saints, space marine champions and other heroes in churches on specific planets and spread as legends among other stuff within the common people as well as other institutions

barren prawn
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christanity didnt invent the concept of martyrdom and venerating figures

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bruh

storm jungle
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its literally christian imagery lol

barren prawn
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you asked

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ANYHOW

storm jungle
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no

barren prawn
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this isnt the point

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no none of that is my point

storm jungle
barren prawn
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christians dont treat angels like people in warhammer treat angels

storm jungle
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They literally have

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lmao

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"Oh this king of ours is chosen by god himself and is above us and is an angelic figure"

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this has happened

barren prawn
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ma'am have you been to a church?

storm jungle
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Yes

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its literally why im saying this

barren prawn
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i went to an actual catholic school

leaden pilot
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Maybe a little more reverence, but I wouldn't say that someone would get shot after saying a space marines name lmao

storm jungle
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Like, i dont care what the point is

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its christian/catholic inspired

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its the entire aesthetic of the imperium lol

barren prawn
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"gothic architure is christian now"

storm jungle
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and imperial preachers literally treat Marine figures as heroes and angels in most in-universe lore

storm jungle
# barren prawn "gothic architure is christian now"

nature of Villard's sketch reflects Gothic architects' goal to create “testimonials of this high epoch of medieval Christianity” and represent Christianity in physical structures. In the Gothic 12 time period, designers and architects were able to personally contribute to the creation of a Christian style.

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this is like saying

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"Islamic people didnt invent mosques"

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lol

paper haven
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Gothic architecture is Christian though isn- oh you already got that.

forest orbit
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I was gonna say kek

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what even is the argument here

barren prawn
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im getting my religion explained to me

forest orbit
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No you arent

storm jungle
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The fuck lol

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honestly, can the actual space marine fan take over

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im too de-caffeinated to deal with this 💀

paper haven
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I'm also confused as to what the actual argument is here.

forest orbit
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Well aside from the church/christian arguments (even tho the Ecclesiarchy is indeed founded on those aesthetics); Space Marines aren't unknown myths.

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Ortan Cassius is a part of the Ultramarines who are a part of a HUGE empire

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people are very well versed with them and its not unbelievable to know of their existence and heroic figrues

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they literally build statues to these people as said above, and tell of their tales as angelic warriors yada yada

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Id understand the point if it was like some actual obscure information

gray umbra
forest orbit
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Nah its whats said above

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idk why people always ask the same question "How do they know this"

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You are an Inquisitorial kill-team onboard a rogue trader ship

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people gossip

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people talk

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🗣️📢

leaden pilot
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There's probably a large library of religious texts and others

paper haven
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I mentioned my thoughts on that above. Knowing a space marine by name would be pretty rare, but not illegal.

viral halo
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I have arrived where I am needed most

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my minor in college was religious studies

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I shall clear everything up

forest orbit
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oh NOOOO

viral halo
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I have not read a single comment

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What's the issue folks

gray umbra
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bless u siggy

paper haven
forest orbit
viral halo
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Give Sigglesworth the rundown

forest orbit
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and so isnt the Ecclesiarchy

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neither catholic or christian

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idk what that even means but hey

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guy apparently went to a catholic school so

paper haven
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I believe that the contention was around how much 40k religion matched up with Christianity

forest orbit
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It started with "how does the zealot know who this famous ultramarine chaplain is"

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then snowballed to that yeah

viral halo
forest orbit
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but yeah pretty much

viral halo
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Visited the cathedral in cologne in 2014

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was so fucking cool

viral halo
paper haven
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I have heard that since literacy was rare, architecture filled in the void of spreading information.

forest orbit
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Its more that the guys drawing it also very much just nod and go "yeah looks catholic enough"

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it feels like a bit nitpick to me

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im more focused on "how can people hear about this famous person" part of the convo though so lol

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well that and im jewish so staregryn

winter vessel
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when i think gothic, my first thought is that of stone gargoyle statues

forest orbit
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the Batman games taught me what gargoyles were from an early age 🙏

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AND you can hang people from them

dusk patrol
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So just to add to what others have said, virtually every single first founding chapter master and other key figures in the chapter are gonna be known by a lot of these guys, they’re famous individuals who are used in propaganda.

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Cassius in particular has probably written multiple books which someone could read

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And he’s one of the oldest Ultramarines around whose a key political and charismatic figure in one of the most famous chapters

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Also as others said, Morrow apparently being handed it by Cassius himself would be a story the crew would talk about

storm jungle
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^

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The Cadian himself literally says: "Is this another Morrow was everywhere stories?"

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Its like a telephone game but its not like people just not hear rumors or know basic Imperial lore.

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(to some extent)

dusk patrol
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It’s a story about how Morrow was part of a big thing and also “met a celebrity” basically like we’d say today

paper haven
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They gossip about Morrow constantly

dusk patrol
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It could be as simple as “Morrow fought with a marine once” and it’s become “Morrow was personally handed that by Cassius himself!”

storm jungle
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Yeah the game actively acknowledges that Morrow's stories are just on-ship memes lol

dusk patrol
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Or maybe he did actually meet Cassius or a Chaplain at least and was given it, fuck if we know

storm jungle
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Yep, he actively encourages these stories too so lol

bold rampart
storm jungle
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LMFAO

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not being able to spell his dumbass name, love that

viral halo
storm jungle
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Im pretty sure the f is silent

dusk patrol
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Also to give an idea of how much celebrity these guys would have, think of how rare it is for a marine to visit a world. Now think of how rare it is for a marine to die on a world and how they probably become a patron saint of the world officially or not by doing so. Now think of a marine leader whose fought in countless campaigns, saved dozens of worlds and billions or more lives, was part of the forest Tyrannic war and was a key figure in figuring out how to fight Tyranids, served in the deathwatch and is now at the highest level in one of the most famous chapters as a figure whose role is largely to be charismatic and inspiring, as well as deal with political issues.

rocky gale
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I thought the G was silent

viral halo
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Lugged huron

dusk patrol
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For hundreds of years

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He’s gonna be a known name

viral halo
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I have lugft and blackheart models, thinking about selling them tbh

dusk patrol
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Think of how many celebrities you know

rocky gale
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So Luft Huron

dusk patrol
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These are their celebrities

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Cassius would be like Robert De Niro or whatever for the Imperium

storm jungle
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Trazyn does something and they think hes a marine

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and build statues and tell stories in his honor

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like... human beings are just like this lol

viral halo
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Do you think Trazyn keeps certain persons in his "goon stasis"

storm jungle
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SHUT THE FUCK UP

dusk patrol
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They’re literally larger than life figures

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And a Chaplain like Cassius even more so

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Their job is to be awe inspiring even to marines

storm jungle
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Yeah and again, people gossip/talk.

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especially Inquisitorial agents onboard a rogue trader vessel lol

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I barely follow any news yet i hear most world events from people I know/talk to daily

dusk patrol
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Especially ex convict inquisitorial agents

storm jungle
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Yeah that too

storm jungle
viral halo
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The New York Jets are going all the way this year

dusk patrol
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Who are part of a warband which probably leans a bit more radical than most

storm jungle
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Yeah and even tho its suppose to be "your character" they pretty much come from very set-in-stone backgrounds and have seen at least a good part of the galaxy to some degree.

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Like Loose Cannon literally has fought CSM, Tau, Orks etc

viral halo
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I'm excited for the new darktide update

dusk patrol
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It’s pretty dope so far

viral halo
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Train map, big news for autistic folks

viral halo
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I've completed space marine 2's content

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I am very satisfied

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pleasured even

storm jungle
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astartesian'd even

viral halo
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Hey, that's OUR word

storm jungle
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"Astartesian" is just peak snob

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I hate it lol

dusk patrol
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I also just noticed the objectives for operations

viral halo
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I'm not gonna like folks

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after playing SM2

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Ultramarines are cool again

storm jungle
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Uhhhh

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debatable

dusk patrol
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“Ameliorate the explosive charges into position.”

viral halo
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I'm painting a kitbashed tyrannic war veteran tomorrow

dusk patrol
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People are just boring contrarians

viral halo
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get @'d

dusk patrol
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If they weren’t the poster boys everyone would jerking them off all the time

storm jungle
viral halo
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LMAO

storm jungle
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Also like

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this is coming from a space marine fan

viral halo
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Can space marines even jork their peanits?

leaden pilot
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I always liked my blueberries
Well, at least after I escaped the "Ultramarines are so lame, Matt Ward ruined everything" hivemind of the fandom

storm jungle
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Ultramarines are very much generic on purpose.

dusk patrol
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I don’t even like them

storm jungle
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its fine to not like them

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but calling them "cool" is like lol

dusk patrol
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But they’re definitely cool

storm jungle
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Well at least you didnt say "great"

dusk patrol
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Arguably their issue is they have too much going on

storm jungle
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isnt that a great idea

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fellow 40k fans

viral halo
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Gamers rise up

leaden pilot
viral halo
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Calling it X feels wrong

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and pretentious

dusk patrol
leaden pilot
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But yeah, blueberries are fun, I painted my first marine as that

viral halo
storm jungle
leaden pilot
storm jungle
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why would you call it X

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are you.... a bot

viral halo
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I'm a sigma male dilara

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a sigma crypto looksmaxer

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using X to spread blackpilled incel ideology

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I'm just typing buzzwords

crystal forum
leaden pilot
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I will deadname this webiste anyways, x is a stupid ass name

viral halo
dusk patrol
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Quite a few yeah

nocturne crest
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Has there ever been the Necron cult in the imperium before?

storm jungle
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Yeah we see one in Dead Men Walking

crisp heath
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Kinda

storm jungle
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humans generally worship anything lol

crisp heath
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In infinite and divine

storm jungle
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we're kinda stupid

crisp heath
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Had a funny encounter

gray umbra
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even demigods are kinda stupid coughlorgarcough

crisp heath
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(Strange, thin green space marines saved human settlers from the ork!)

nocturne crest
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He stole the window as well.

storm jungle
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Also

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Triarch Praetorians are the former bodyguards and agents of the Triarch, the ruling council of the Necrontyr. Now, they are Necron rapid-assault infantry equipped with anti-gravitational packs. As of late M41 they have pledged their loyalty to the newly returned Silent King, and seek to unify the Necrons in the face of the Tyranid threat.[3]

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Triarch Praetorains (TLDR necron guardians of tombs who dont sleep) sometimes settle on planets of primitive races/humans like literally primitive not insult-related and teach people to worship necrons as overlords

hallow plover
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Based

storm jungle
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this part of their lore is never delved into btw

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its just there lol

hallow plover
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Crons are too often played as genocidal bots

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the overlord in dead men walking gives them an ultimatum before killing them all

viral halo
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Necrons are a boring enemy

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there I said it

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I don't want to see guardsmen plinking soda cans

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I want meat and gristle-blood and BONE

storm jungle
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you simply CANT handle the meat

paper haven
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Why would Necron want worshipers?

storm jungle
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why did they build pyramids

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they want their ego stroked lol

paper haven
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Ah, fair

storm jungle
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not all necrons are like this obvs but some very much want subjects to rule over among other stuff

hallow plover
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you WILL have more space marines!

rose thorn
paper haven
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Can't wait for primaris chaos marines

rose thorn
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God forbid the 90s gw team actually learns a culture before adding it to their game

arctic talon
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as funny as it would be

paper haven
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Primaris Abaddon.

arctic talon
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and they do exist in lore already anyways

arctic talon
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the only change I'd want is a helmet option

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tbh

paper haven
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Nobody wears helmets

arctic talon
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he's got a rebreather option

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but no full helmet

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pretty easy to jam a termie head on him though

paper haven
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I'm kidding. There will probably be a chaos version of the primaris upgrade instead.

arctic talon
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not really

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those already exist

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Chosen sorta

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there's no need for GW to make Primaris CSM

paper haven
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Then they'll tease an Eldar codex and never deliver

arctic talon
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are you just being annoying/shitposting on purpose today 💀

paper haven
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Obviously.

arctic talon
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lol

rose thorn
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Or 7th

paper haven
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Surprised it took you this long to figure out

rose thorn
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Which ever one it was

paper haven
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I want to say 8th edition

rose thorn
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Some faction literally ever got a codex in 8th but had rules and I can’t remember what it was

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Or was it an 8.5 codex?

arctic talon
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It was an 8.5 codex

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CSM got an 8.5 codex teased

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never got it

rocky gale
paper haven
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Pretty sure it was Eldar.
(Not shitposting, I actually think it was Eldar)

arctic talon
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it wasn't

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unless you count harlequins getting cucked

paper haven
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Sorta

arctic talon
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which I guess you could

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The factions who've gone multiple editions without a codex

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are Drukhari, sisters of battle and Imperial Guard

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I'm not including fucking Squats

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they're not real

paper haven
arctic talon
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biggest gap was sisters of battle

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who went from 3e to 7e without a codex

paper haven
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Imperial guard are already perfect

arctic talon
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and they had only pewter minis

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until late 8e early 9e

languid meadow
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he looks hella weird with it on

hallow plover
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They all do

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like the primarchs with their helms

languid meadow
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I mean

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I knew that

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but unlike the primarchs I don't think I've seen a single person use that alt head piece

opaque coyote
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No idea how the fuck he picks things up with his clawed hands tho

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Seriously imagine him trying to pick up something he dropped

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His right hand is occupied holding shit

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He literally has to call a serf/servitor just so that they can pick it up

crystal forum
# arctic talon

GW trying to use the half face helmet on everything now huh

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are orks next

opaque coyote
storm jungle
paper haven
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Sometimes you can't fix him.

opaque coyote
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Also

paper haven
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Most likely a ripper swarm

opaque coyote
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Apparently kids really are into tyranids

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Tbf they are basically purple six legged dinosaur insects. With guns.

paper haven
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The bugs from starship troopers and the Zerg were favorites of mine as a kid

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Now, as an adult, I'm solidly in my "humanity first" phase.

opaque coyote
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Also IK this is pretty fucking generic

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but

paper haven
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Badly

opaque coyote
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I played Omori

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Sunny's gonna die

paper haven
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  • for the lictor
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Most recent game I played was SM2.

odd palm
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Oh dear, not logi man #24976 from foxhole

unkempt dove
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how do standard space marines even fare against a lictor though on the TT, i reckon the lictor should be stronger

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i was john helldiver, so i'm probably fucked

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but i might take it down with me

outer wave
unkempt dove
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lictors do kinda die like bitches in SM2, but so does everything pretty much

arctic talon
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In lore generally a lictor is more then a match

winter vessel
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They’re the coolest bioforms to me

arctic talon
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Most of the big nids are pretty underpowered

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In Space Marine 2

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So the game isn’t dogshit to play lol

winter vessel
arctic talon
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Like

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Warriors should be way stronger

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  • gang up on you harder
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Zoanthrope and neurothrope are uh

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Neurothrope would just instantly kill us by staring at us

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If it was lore accurate

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Zoanthropes would do way more damage, Ect.

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The goal is to make a fun game. Not something 100% lore accurate

winter vessel
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I mean whenever I do operations I’m reminded of the Ganking experience from FH when I’m forced to take on five warriors at once, so it can give me a run for my money at times

arctic talon
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The way the nids fight ingame as well

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Is meant to give you a chance

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They don’t all rush you at once

scenic bolt
winter vessel
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So satisfying when you got a ton of the little guys in close proximity for them to experience an aneurysm after killing a Warrior Nid

arctic talon
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Mmmm

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Synaptic backlash

outer wave
scenic bolt
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it's funny how inactive they really are for a long period

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and this is on ruthless

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at like the 10s mark

outer wave
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They're weirdly inactive save for a couple of them

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Considering this game, I think it'd be hellish if they all attacked

scenic bolt
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yea thats what people are saying is this patch introduced a more passive mob

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like they will flat out refuse to attack you unless you do something

crystal forum
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time to annihilate some nids while listening to pvz soundtrack

winter vessel
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The plants vs zombies soundtrack?

crystal forum
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yes

winter vessel
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Based

crystal forum
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aaaaand console people hotmicing in my ears with no option for muting

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crossplay, off

unkempt dove
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personally i think the game was kinda boring lol, so maybe turning more of the large forms into epic boss battles or encounters could've done some good

winter vessel
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Think a haruspex would make a good mini boss?

unkempt dove
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though i feel its more of a level/scenario design issue than an enemy one maybe

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it almost plays like a sidescrolling beat them up in a sense, enter mostly empty level, clear the dudes, enter the next screen etc.

scenic bolt
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there's also no real special equivalents or anything to spice things up and keep you on your feet only elite/boss equivalents

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plus you can just outrun most everything so no need to bother

unkempt dove
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i feel like nids probably have enough goin on to just focus a full campaign on them instead of doing the whole chaos thing again, almost feels like the game forgets about the nids too

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and how the chaos forces are able to do anything under the shadow in the warp is a big ???

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i suppose additional operations will resolve the whole nid campaign maybe? but like dropping a hive tyrant does not simply stop a splinter fleet

storm jungle
scenic bolt
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peak gaming, can absolutely feel the threat of a carnifex barreling down on you, no other 40k game has ever hit such a high

crystal forum
dusk patrol
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No it’s a bug with the Carnifex that they fixed a little bit

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Idk if fully

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It got stuck on a lot of stuff

opaque coyote
crisp heath
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If I'm not mistaken don't ripper swarms flee from the marines like environmental animals?

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Because clearly a hivemind guided swarm of forearm length bugs with no sense of self preservation and who eat both flesh and metal indiscriminately are going to be scared of big man

thick cedar
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Infected Mobian 21st or whatever

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not looking food

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or good, even

spare osprey
outer wave
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They feel different enough and look unique for these guys

tough haven
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Bro I cant even play SM2 because of the constant stuttering, at minimum settings

winter vessel
# thick cedar

Hah, my Vet dressed in the 21st’s Uniform is gonna have more PTSD putting down her infected buddies.

languid meadow
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did anyone notice that they changed some colours around in SM2

crystal forum
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since when are you british

languid meadow
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I'm an Anglo Canadian I grew up using both the British and American spellings

crystal forum
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respect dropped -50 points

languid meadow
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if it makes you feel better half my family is Inuit

queen laurel
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Jay did you really just ask someone unwarranted if they are british

crystal forum
crystal forum
languid meadow
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also the royal family can suck a fat one

crystal forum
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respect gained +100

languid meadow
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I have a very cursed family

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I need more custodes being animated

low gazelle
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last time i saw u post it. the vid didnt load

opaque coyote
# winter vessel Hah, my Vet dressed in the 21st’s Uniform is gonna have more PTSD putting down h...

The ammo pack ran out long ago. Her teammates were dead, ripped apart by rotting hands until they were nothing but carrion for the corrupted. Their faces permanently distorted into a rictus grin as they feasted on their food. She wasn't sensitive to the warp. If she was, she would've suffered the fate of their Psyker. Emperor have mercy on their soul. However, an unknown part of herself was screaming in fear. Her very soul cringed at the faces of her former comrades. Screams of help echoed throughout her head, but her ears could only pick up deathly moans.

Her gun produced empty clicks instead of lasers. She switched to melee. A whisper in her head told her that she could join the family. She could join her comrades.

All she needed to do was to accept her new Grandfather.

She screamed in response, out of rage, and wanting quiet in her head. She blindly swiped her weapon towards Ricter. She always told herself that she'd repay him for giving her some of his rations. Her gift back was a blade to the mouth.

It was a hopeless fight. Outnumbered thousands to one.

But the Guard was always used to hopeless and meaningless fights. And she promised herself and to her comrades that no matter what.

She will die fighting.

pseudo fox
languid meadow
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infected Moebian 21st

pseudo fox
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Who is moebian 21st?

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I mean who are they?

opaque coyote
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that's them

languid meadow
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no

pseudo fox
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Heretics?

languid meadow
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that's the 8th ( I think )

opaque coyote
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hold on lemme check

languid meadow
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the 21st are from the water world

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and are the loyalist regiment that's helping us

opaque coyote
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we were both wrong

queen laurel
languid meadow
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peak

opaque coyote
queen laurel
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They got infected because of a virus

languid meadow
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if you've seen npc guardsmen at the start of missions those are 21st

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blue and shit

opaque coyote
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...

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honestly would an underwater horror game be good for 40k

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like you're stuck in a underwater base

languid meadow
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yeah they're from the ocean world that is one of the home planet origins

opaque coyote
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well not really

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the 21st are just infected

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nurgle does a little bit of trolling

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but the imperium considers that if you get infected

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you have a lack of faith

languid meadow
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some not all of the 21st have been infected

opaque coyote
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...despite the fact that nurgle can infect tyranids which don't even have enough of a brain to have faith

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But ignore that!

languid meadow
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I think there is 3 loyal regiments now on planet

opaque coyote
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tbf the death guard literally spammed so much viruses and shit that it caused the planet itself to melt

languid meadow
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the 21st, the one dukane is attached too ( I think that one is different? ) and some steel legion ( this is just speculation from ship dialogue )

opaque coyote
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so maybe that's a special case

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also

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hive city management sim when (art by emwattnot)

languid meadow
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I should buy frostpunk 2

opaque coyote
languid meadow
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FP 1 is pretty fun

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great music as well

opaque coyote
# opaque coyote hive city management sim when (art by emwattnot)

artist description for it btw:
"A brief explanation of the completely hypothetical gameplay

Objective:

Keep your dynasty in power WITHOUT running afoul of the almighty Imperial Tithe. The more you build, the bigger the tithe. The bigger the tithe, the more you have to build to meet it. And may The Throne help you if you can't meet what the Imperium's demanding of you.

The ways of achieving this would be as follows:

Expansion of your industrial base, cutting deals with sector merchant guilds, bribery, extortion, framing the other noble families as agents of the ruinous powers, exploiting the populace, conscripting the populace, vassalizing the populace, acquiring tithe exemptions due to astartes recruitment, ecclesiastical tax breaks, creative financial bookeeping to get lower tithe levels etc...

Obstacles to meeting the Tithe:

Rebellion, succession, noble house intrigue, bankruptcy, war, plague, Pirates, Eldar Corsair raids, Inquisitorial requisitions of your resources, finding an abandoned necron tomb, crippling economic punitive sanctions for not meeting the previous tithe, environmental collapse due to over-exploitation and so on...

Like I said, this game will never likely be made but a man can dream..."

lime stratus
unkempt dove
#

i haven't played frostpunk but from what i heard it does seem to have similar vibes to a potential hive city sim

thick cedar
civic scroll
queen laurel
#

evolving against a disease that is magical isn't really something the tyranids thought of

civic scroll
#

I'm not so sure, I mean haven't they consumed daemons before?

queen laurel
#

daemons are made of energy

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the forms they take that have guts hanging out and stuff that's just for aesthetic

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that's why killing a daemon is hard because they just return to the warp

civic scroll
#

yeah you're right I was just checking it up, I'd just heard 'something' 'somewhere' bout it but clearly that was wrong

pseudo fox
#

Even if i fight for emperor?

queen laurel
#

other than that they mostly avoid them

civic scroll
#

which fleet was that by the way? Tiamat?

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

You're a very knowledge ork

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

I think your too smart to be an ork. I suspect thee.

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

Havn't said a single orky thing, made complete sense the entire time. this is poppycock.

#

btw what would be a really good Ork book to get? Don't think I've read many

queen laurel
sacred ginkgo
civic scroll
#

Tho I imagine an ork would consume both with ease.

civic scroll
opaque coyote
queen laurel
opaque coyote
#

imperium moment

queen laurel
#

by the way these books are the type of books you should just turn off your brain and have fun reading

opaque coyote
queen laurel
#

do not expect any deep narratives with these types of things

civic scroll
#

I expect heedless wanton violence and aggressive semi-coherent efforts to facilitate said violence.

storm prairie
#

son't forget reality bending Orc logic

warm comet
#

What exactly is a mutant lore wise?

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Just like generally any deformed chaos being?

#

Or is it more specific

queen laurel
#

just lots and lots of drugs

#

chaos can also induce mutations but non chaos mutants are a thing

#

as a matter of fact an ogryn is a mutant

storm prairie
#

Are the hapsburg mutants?

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the old timey, pointy jaw ones

sacred ginkgo
#

It also depends on whose calling who a mutant

warm comet
sacred ginkgo
#

Cause an extra toe counts in some places

warm comet
#

Because I suppose darktide is very drugs focussed lol

warm comet
#

Ah cool

#

I wish they had lots of variation in looks

queen laurel
warm comet
#

One of the only things with this game I feel is that the elites tend to look the same a lot of the time

#

I suppose it’s for gameplay reasons, like enemy recognition

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But ‘mutant’ is so broad that it’d be cool to see lots of variation

queen laurel
#

Pumped full of stims combat drugs and muscle growing formulas

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and basically put on enough muscle to give an ogryn a run for his money

warm comet
#

Oh nice! I didn’t think they’d have a figure for it

civic scroll
#

Glorious Drugs

queen laurel
warm comet
#

Yeah I get what you mean

#

That’s like a ‘normal’ one before they get infected

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

if it's just drugs where's the 'mutation' part?

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

That doesnt address my question

queen laurel
civic scroll
#

like if all their strength n everything we see is drugs n stims, where does the mutation play into it?

queen laurel
#

You can mutate a variety of ways on this setting

civic scroll
#

ah, well that is fair

queen laurel
#

Chaos explosion to certain types of energy

civic scroll
#

normal genetic degradation?

queen laurel
#

Being mutilated and rebuilt constantly over and over again and pumped of drugs

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Many things

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As long as you basically don't resemble a human in a shape you're a mutant

civic scroll
#

fair fair, I was just wondering if these mutations added to the strength increase in any of these cases

queen laurel
#

Or exhibit a non human ability

queen laurel
misty vector
#

Theres def mutants too with less prominent or useful mutations in hive cities and slums

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Like having extra eyes on your chest

celest dome
#

While in theory there should be mutants of every shape and form...
Dev wise it's much better to have only 1 model

opaque coyote
#

Literally

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Basically there are many different ways you can become a mutant

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Raging from radiation

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Chaos and warp bullshit

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Simple evolution

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To just

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...

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Being really really unlucky

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Basically yes, Jimmy the Mutant can come from two regular parents

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How? Why?

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No fucking clue

#

But now they'll probably do a 4th trimester abortion

low gazelle
#

Is there a lore reason as to why we cant use tau infantry rifles?

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cause theres got aim assist and dont bblow up randomly

queen laurel
sacred ginkgo
#

Because we would probably get shot

queen laurel
#

And committing heresy can get you killed

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Or tortured

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Or many ways of suffering really

celest dome
sacred ginkgo
#

Unless a very radical inquisitor gave them out

low gazelle
low gazelle
queen laurel
queen laurel
#

Xeno tech is heresy because well it is heresy that's what they said

celest dome
queen laurel
#

Yeah unless you are like a very very high ranking person you will get obliterated if they saw you using one

sacred ginkgo
#

We also have no ammo for them

celest dome
opaque coyote
#

The Imperium isn't reasonable

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Or sane

low gazelle
#

or efficent

opaque coyote
#

If it was, then they wouldn't even be in the situation they're in

low gazelle
#

yeah these are all thinggs im learning

opaque coyote
#

Sussy

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Just ask Fulgrim

opaque coyote
#

However there does exist factions in the Imperium that consider researching Xenos tech

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The Crucible Resolviante is an example of this

misty vector
#

Also because of the tech priests right?

opaque coyote
#

They're a faction within the Mechanicus that researches "Xenos Machine Spirits"

misty vector
#

Since xenos tech is not blessed and maintained by the omnissiah

opaque coyote
low gazelle
#

Ohhhhh you know what

queen laurel
low gazelle
#

a wh40k themed pc

opaque coyote
#

Grab a human corpse

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Shove your PC in there

#

There

low gazelle
opaque coyote
#

Unfortunately no for I am already a Servitor

#

@queen laurel can attest

queen laurel
#

yeah that's the truth

opaque coyote
#

DAoT Humanity was actually pretty advanced

#

Much better than the Tau that's for sure

#

Necrons and Pre-fall Eldar were/are still better though

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Fun fact

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The Craftworld Eldar's tech

#

Is basically the Eldar equivalent to Amish

#

The Drukhari actually still have access to Pre-fall tech

But some can't be used cause they require Psyker power

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And well... they can't exactly use Psyker power without becoming a snack for Slaanesh

#

And also they're more concerned about enslaving people and making them suffer

#

And also drugs

low gazelle
#

on paper shouldnt necrons have conquered bby now?

celest dome
#

Sure, so should Tyr, Orks...

opaque coyote
#

Most of them are asleep

low gazelle
#

fml I still have reading to do

#

I dont have the time 😭

misty vector
#

Iirc the great awakening is happening at the moment but its not fully done yet

low gazelle
#

Ohhh so they went to sleep to waiit out the c tan

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And in the 41st millenium they be tryna make a come back

misty vector
#

I think they were waiting for a moment of weakness in the galaxy to come back

#

I havent read too much on necrons either

opaque coyote
#

Then the Necrontyr existed

#

Their lives sucked

#

Every single one of their races develop super cancer and die in like 40 years

misty vector
#

Because their sun was super irradiated

low gazelle
#

how tf diid humans even managge to get a foothold

opaque coyote
#

And to make things worse, they treated each other like shit as well

misty vector
opaque coyote
#

Basically the peasants lived in dirt huts

#

...when they HAD SPACESHIPS THAT CAN GO FTL

low gazelle
opaque coyote
#

Anyways I'm gonna go and take a shower, will finish my explanation later

low gazelle
#

k

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imma go to bed

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then check when i wake ui[

#

up*

opaque coyote
# low gazelle k

Alright gonna write the summarization then

Basically the Necrontyr fought each other, treated each other like shit, and were generally miserable.

So when they asked the Old Ones for immortality. They basically said

"What the fuck? No."

And then so they started a war. Partially started because the Silent King wanted the Necrontyr to stop fighting each other. And partially because of jealousy.

Unfortunately, as it turns out, fighting beings who literally live in another dimension is hard. So they didn't do shit to the Old Ones.

To oversimplify what happened next, they made a deal with the C'Tan. The C'Tan offered unity, strength, and the ability to not suffer super cancer.

All they had to do was to transform their bodies into metal

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Biotransferrance.

#

Unfortunately as it turns out, the C'Tan didn't mention that they'd also EAT THEIR SOULS.

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Basically, the higher ranking Necrons got to keep their consciousness. With varying degrees the higher ranking they are.

But in general, only the high ranking leaders got their full consciousness. The common soldiers basically are just robots

#

Now the Necrons, the C'Tan waged war against the Old Ones using their new robot army. With the Old Ones creating species as a response.

The most important ones being the Eldar and the Krorks.

#

The C'Tan did manage to murder all the Old Ones. However in the middle of that victory. The Silent King turned upon their C'Tan Masters

#

Shattering most of them into shards and imprisoning them to use as tools

low gazelle
#

How tf diid they beat gods

#

and are any of the old ones alive?

#

I gotta sleep

#

be up soon

opaque coyote
#

However, weakened by the combination of the War in Heaven and defeating their masters. Along with the Eldar and Krorks still existing. They decided to go into their tombs and sleep. Waiting for the days where they can once again take control of the Galaxy.

#

However it turns out sleeping for millions of years can cause issues. And even their hyper advanced has problems being maintained after MILLIONS of years. Along with natural cosmic phenomenon and the Eldar destroying any Tomb Worlds they can find.

#

Which is why most of them are asleep

celest dome
opaque coyote
# low gazelle How tf diid they beat gods

The C'Tan are different from the Chaos Gods and the Old Ones due to being mostly physical. So enough physical force can beat them.

Most of them got shattered into shards and imprisoned in tesseracts.

One did FULLY die...

And in their dying breath, decided to curse the Necrons with a virus that made them worship the dead God. And also began flaying people and wearing their skin.

storm jungle
bold rampart
#

hm, makes sense

storm jungle
#

ikr

bold rampart
#

honestly what a based approach

storm jungle
#

when in doubt, fire at it

bold rampart
#

the 40k special

queen laurel
bold rampart
#

some might call it, exterminatus

celest dome
#

1 is indeed fully dead

crisp heath
#

Get flayed, idiot

bold rampart
#

brought guns to a fight with the divines and actually won 😎

opaque coyote
#

To be THE ONLY ONE immune to the virus

#

So he has to deal with leading a bunch of bloodthirsty skin wearing maniacs

#

While also being the only person who doesn't want to do the shit that they do

celest dome
#

That's not the one that killed the C'tan even

bold matrix
#

In one of the mourningstar voice lines, Morrow seems a little scared of Commissar Dukane. Why? He is a part of an inquisitorial retinue, she can't just execute him, right?

queen laurel
#

He was in armageddon

#

So he is an experienced soldier

#

And if he was in the second and third war of armageddon one of the most respected heroes there was commissar Yarrick

storm jungle
#

It also just makes his job easier, no need to antagonise her over rank and other stuff.

queen laurel
#

and even the first one but i don't think he's was there

storm jungle
#

Second War iirc

queen laurel
#

Old bale eye

small grail
#

i made lore

#

dreadnought lore

#

but just a query

#

do the imperial fists have dreadnoughts?

storm jungle
#

every single space marine chapter can have dreadnaughts

queen laurel
#

yep

small grail
#

ok

storm jungle
small grail
#

who is vulkan he'stan?

small grail
storm jungle
#

Again. READ.

small grail
#

i dont wannnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaa

queen laurel
storm jungle
small grail
#

why

#

its tooooooooooo long

storm jungle
#

that entire page will literally take like 2m to read max and answer all your questions

small grail
#

not the vulkan bit

#

the dreadnought one

storm jungle
#

Its not long at all

#

half of the page is source referencing lol

small grail
paper haven
#

Reading? How could you?

bold rampart
#

ikr, dilara pushing such horrid practices onto us

storm jungle
fleet parcel
#

so whos dukane

bold rampart
#

ive recieved multipe death threats and shell send more if i dont start reading warhammer 40k books in the next 24 hours

dusk patrol
#

Good

bold rampart
#

i kinda like it ngl

storm jungle
#

thats kinda it, shes just here to see what we are doing lol

bold rampart
#

i hope she sends more ☺️

dusk patrol
flat zodiac
#

I like how Morrow knows people back chat against him, so he had to warn everyone not do it to Dukane or you won't even see the next sunrise

#

But speaking of Dukane, i love how she wears the new Commissar outfit we've been seing in miniatures and in the tithes

fleet parcel
#

dont we have the hat in the game as a cosmetic?

flat zodiac
#

Aye we do, but the one in the game is the older style of commissar cap i believe

#

The peak of the cap is higher, while that one has a flatter peak

hallow plover
#

I love how Dukane is just ordering around an Inquisitor's assets

flat zodiac
#

I hope we'll get more missions with her as the mission vox command

storm jungle
#

the metal chestplate is a dead giveaway and im autistic af for these things

flat zodiac
#

Severina Raine?

#

Who's that?

flat zodiac
#

OH HER

#

I've seen her a lot when i search up Commissar pictures

storm jungle
#

Yeah you can see touches of her design all over Dukane

flat zodiac
#

So that's her name?

storm jungle
#

Yep

flat zodiac
#

What's her story?

storm jungle
#

even has her own mini

rocky gale
#

Starts in a short story, Captain who leads the unit she's attached to refuses the order to lead his unit into a suicidal attack, so she executes him and takes command

paper haven
#

Who is Dukane, anyway?

rocky gale
#

Then she has her own novel Honourbound, which continues her story with the Antari Rifles as they fight against Chaos

flat zodiac
#

Is she a trigger happy commissar or an actual competent commander?

fleet parcel
rocky gale
#

More ruthless than Gaunt would be, but she's not a nutjob

paper haven
#

Fair

flat zodiac
#

Who's Gaunt?

fleet parcel
#

gaunt deez

paper haven
#

Gaunt from Gaunt's Ghosts

flat zodiac
#

Oh

rocky gale
#

Colonel Commissar Ibram Gaunt

flat zodiac
#

Tanith First?

paper haven
#

Of the Tanith First and Only

flat zodiac
#

Aaaaaah

#

Okay i remember now

rocky gale
#

He's what a lot of people think of when talking about Commissars taking control

#

But he's a bit of a soft touch Commissar at times tbh

flat zodiac
#

I see

#

What about Yarrick, what do you think of that lad

rocky gale
#

Whereas Raine has a scene where she summarily executes a Guardsman for surviving a fight and not having fired a single shot.

queen laurel
flat zodiac
#

Huh.. that's pretty tame in 40k standards

crystal forum
#

you dont see it that often even in penal legions

flat zodiac
#

Eh? Seriously?

#

Im surprised

storm jungle
#

Its mostly because uh

#

suicide bombers are kinda poor taste

#

and too close to real life

#

GW wants to avoid it lol

flat zodiac
#

Oh i see

#

Okay that makes sense

storm jungle
#

The Imperium would absolutely use them

#

but its the same with why you dont usually see guardsmen training child soldiers

flat zodiac
#

Yeah but not at the front page

storm jungle
#

or doing any warcrimes

#

mostly

flat zodiac
#

Bruh

storm jungle
#

Like hanging people from telephone poles etc lol

#

Or shooting up hospitals 💀

hallow plover
#

enters darktide's tutorial's poxburster

rocky gale
# flat zodiac *Yikes*

The rest of his squad got wiped out and he didn't shoot once, so the thought is either he's a coward who can't be trusted to fight and protect his fellow soldiers or he had sympathy for the enemy.

#

Either way BLAM

flat zodiac
#

Darktide's poxburster is basically a zombie so it gets a pass? maybe?

storm jungle
#

I mean its basically a half-dead person

dense dawn
#

Yarrick is a massive badass

storm jungle
#

they just strap bombs to it and tell it to go explode

#

poxwalkers are barely sentient

flat zodiac
storm jungle
#

Its easier said than done.

#

Some people can barely bare firing any weapon

flat zodiac
#

I suppose

storm jungle
#

you get scared when you got a live firearm in your hands and freeze up too depending on the perosn

#

its why "combat high" is also a thing, he just wasnt thinking straight

flat zodiac
#

And that made him pay the price

rocky gale
#

It's like the scene in Saving Private Ryan, where the guy can hear his friends need help but just can't move

flat zodiac
#

Oh Upham

#

Yeah

#

Shit, i didn't even think of that

#

Good point

storm jungle
#

Yeah that scene is fucked up

#

and very believable

flat zodiac
#

You think if that Guardsman that Raine executed was allowed to live, he would finally be able to think straight and kill like Upham eventually did?

storm jungle
#

I mean its hard to say, you can teach anyone to kill someone, it just takes time and effort

#

It works most of the time

flat zodiac
#

Assassin?

storm jungle
#

Its a scion

#

just with decorated/customised armor

flat zodiac
#

Ah, makes sense

#

'Cus the helmet reminds me of an Imperial Assassin unit

#

That one that's basically a living time bomb

storm jungle
#

Yeah the eversor

#

but its just a paintjob

queen laurel
flat zodiac
#

So.. which are better

#

Neophyte Marines or Scions?

dusk patrol
#

But it depends on how far along they are

flat zodiac
#

Oh they're called Scout Marines, my bad

dusk patrol
#

They have better gear and are physically much stronger and better

#

On average scouts are gonna be better, but it depends as always

#

The farther in they get the more organs they have implanted, the bigger they are and the more they’ve learned. Some like the Blood Angels get all the organs immediately too except the carapace.

hallow plover
#

It's a 5 shot brain burst

dusk patrol
#

I bet I could burst your brain with one shot

hallow plover
#

||I wish||

flat zodiac
dusk patrol
#

Also generally they’ll deploy with a full battle brother who also wears the scout armor and keeps them in line

#

The most famous example being Scout Sgt Tellion whose one of the oldest Ultramarines but prefers to stay in his training role

flat zodiac
#

You can just... stay as a neophyte?

dusk patrol
#

He’s not a neophyte

flat zodiac
#

I mean

#

Scout Marine

dusk patrol
#

He’s a full marine in scout armor

flat zodiac
#

Sorry

dusk patrol
#

But yeah senior marines will often wear scout armor and lead the scouts

#

Largely to ensure they stay safe enough and also to teach them

#

They’re also typically deployed with a large group of the full battle brothers so they’re not alone and have support if needed

flat zodiac
#

Now im imagining a grizzled war veteran of 300 years old helping the rookie Marines get started

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Sometimes

queen laurel
#

give him a giant knife and a sniper rifle and tell them to kill this guy

dusk patrol
#

Depends, but they often have overwatch sniper roles and obviously scouting and recon

dusk patrol
flat zodiac
#

Jesus

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
#

Reivers and Infiltrators also will do that kinda thing

#

They’re all part of the Vanguard group

#

Reivers are more fast attack/terror troops while Infiltrators as you’d imagine are there to sneak behind lines and fuck with stuff

flat zodiac
#

God, i love that as Warhammer 40k becomes more modern so too does it's depiction of the Imperium's equipment

#

Becoming more detailed than how blocky it used to be

dusk patrol
#

The Vanguard and Sniper from SM2 both take different things from the vanguard company

rocky gale
dusk patrol
#

Worth noting too the Infiltrators and Reivers are generally the same marines just using different equipment for different missions

hallow plover
#

Where does Kayex comes from? I don't remember seeing him before.

#

Secrets of the machine god patch?

green loom
#

He's the ship's tech priest

#

So Brahms' crew

#

He came in Traitor's Curse

hallow plover
#

Was he in game before?

#

Which one was that?

green loom
#

Carnival

#

Hangs out with Hadron in the obscura den mission I think

hallow plover
#

He sounds like he's spent time in a obscura den KEKW_ogryn

#

He's great

#

Admech truly are the best

outer wave
#

I just realized the irony of when Kayex is basically cursing the Moebian 6th by saying he hopes their souls corrode and shit

#

That's already going to happen under Nurgle anyway

dusk patrol
#

Looking forward to when they’re gonna add the chapter symbols to the right side so it’s easier to do more chapters but

#

I’m pretty happy with it still

raven stone
#

Is this mod, or actually in game?

dusk patrol
#

It’s the game

crystal forum
raven stone
queen laurel
#

what is the shield bulwark uses again

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Yeah it’s got a shield generator built in

#

Can take a lot of punishment, there’s one case of a marine surviving a Riptides missile barrage barely because of his shield

#

It shorts it out but he does survive

queen laurel
#

it must be the most durable type of infantry shield the imperium can use then?

dusk patrol
#

He was also in terminator armor tbf and he got launched and was out of the fight for a bit

dusk patrol
#

Marines and Inquisitors are the primary users

queen laurel
# dusk patrol They’re very rare relics yeah

Are they one of those imperium things where only a few people can have them because they are no longer made or it's just that making them takes a lot of time because it's a long held secret

dusk patrol
#

Combat shields are much more common

#

Basically smaller versions with slightly lesser power fields

dusk patrol
#

Chaplains and space marine captains are the primary beneficiaries of those, which kinda goes into how rare it is.

queen laurel
#

when he just has one of his inventory for some reason

dusk patrol
#

If a RT had a marine under his retinue for whatever reason he would be a very good choice for that yeah

#

Especially since most people can’t even properly wield them

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

They’re super heavy and the field breaking isn’t a fun experience if you’re not strong enough or armored enough

dusk patrol
#

There is smaller versions made too but they’re still super unwieldy and heavy

queen laurel
#

because having gretchen's popping out of the ship isn't fun

dusk patrol
#

Uh in game it’s how your Ork is generating grots

#

Or Gretchin or whatever it is

#

Also there’s rules for your Ork having a small tribe potentially too

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Huge benefits in fact to having more and more Orks

queen laurel
#

coming off the ork

dusk patrol
#

Generally we just assume there’s not enough of it

#

Or maybe the RT has the area cleaned

crisp heath
#

Plastic wrap your ork

#

Ziplork

dusk patrol
#

Idk if there’s a set point where spores become an issue but it is how they explain the Gretchin materializing basically

#

When you get more of the perk or some of yours die

queen laurel
#

Taking the drug when he is going on an expedition with the group but let his spore do the usual thing they do when he's on ship

dusk patrol
#

Yeah that could work

#

I ended up doing his with my Mekboy also eventually.

raven stone
#

I actually genuinely thought Orks only spread spores on death

dusk patrol
#

Rigged a gun on top my dude and had a Gretchin shooting

queen laurel
dusk patrol
crystal forum
#

has there ever been some gruesome story of a human having ork spores land on them and then an ork exploding out of their body

dusk patrol
#

They’re always giving them off

queen laurel
#

yeah the death is just an explosion of spores

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But narratively I don't want my work to accidentally just spawn savage orks in the planet so

queen laurel
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let's just say he developed a drug that stops him from spawning spores for a limited amount of time

raven stone
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In general I’d assume one Ork and a few Gretchin aren’t giving off enough to matter

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imagine the human fusing into the ork body and having to suffer through being part of an ork for the remainder of their short pathetic life whatthefuck_heresy

queen laurel
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Generally we just handwaved it for obvious reasons

queen laurel
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And so he developed the drug to stop himself from just accidentally spawning an entire army

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even if it's no fun

raven stone
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Yeah that definitely works

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My Mekboy was in the engine room and I ended up doing all these wacky modifications to the ship and engines, and teleporter.

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I also eventually got a personal teleporter

queen laurel
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For tech heresy

dusk patrol
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I was the tech priest basically

crystal forum
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ork tech priest is so cursed yet awesome

queen laurel
tough haven
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So is there actually a 40K show coming ever from Amazon?

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Our backstory reason was the RT needed something fixed and was pretty desperate and then it worked surprisingly well so the relationship stuck