40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-10983090505089839901

[small grail]

whys second bros nose like squidward

[small grail]

yea

[rocky gale]

I raise your Shunk with a Conk

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-shy-stop-it-im-blushing-blush-embarrassed-gif-10059952

[dusk patrol]

Damn

She conked him

[small grail]

one letter and that sentence is fucked

[dusk patrol]

She bonked him

[small grail]

nope

[spare osprey]

to sniff out good kush?

[small grail]

repalce the n with c

[dusk patrol]

She bocked him

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/popodak-rooster-chicken-happy-walking-gif-1856975041312761014

Bock bock

[opaque coyote]

"EVEN IN DEATH, I'M STILL HOTTER THAN YOU."

prepares flamer

[rose thorn]

Hi dark angel

Where is the dark angel sword ass tattoo?

[gaunt sable]

That is pretty sexy.

[queen laurel]

Bro's hair is fabulous

[gaunt sable]

He can blow my back out.

[raven stone]

Ironically this picture epitomises why I am ok with Marines being male only…

[spare osprey]

No tattoo’s

Only brands

[dusk patrol]

Hot

Get it cause it’s hot like sexy but also you know it’s a brand so it’s hot

[gaunt sable]

Some like it hot.

[gaunt sable]

Why does she have a such a receding hairline?

[rocky gale]

Stress

and also caused by how tight her pony/braid is

[near wasp]

I have long hair and you should always be mindful about how taut your hair is. Long term stress on the follicles leads to hair loss

[rocky gale]

Indeed

[near wasp]

Besides my hair is too beautiful to let fall out

[rocky gale]

It's a common problem in places in England because it became the style to have an incredibly tight ponytail and it's basically destroyed a bunch of hairlines

[near wasp]

I just like having long hair

[rocky gale]

Understandable

[near wasp]

Sadly my hair didn't turn silver like my mom or grandmas.

Would of been very nice

[gaunt sable]

Same.

[gaunt sable]

Same.

My hairs currently at midback

[near wasp]

I grew it out to get closer with the cute girls during highschool. They loved braiding it and such because it was so soft. I took really good care of it then

[rocky gale]

I try to keep mine around my shoulders but I'm overdue a cut

[gaunt sable]

I grew mine out when I moved away to college and my family couldn't dictate my hair length.

[near wasp]

My hair goes to about the bottom of my sternum now

[gaunt sable]

They hate it while admitting I probably have the best hair in the family.
My female relatives have been insanely jealous of how little I need to do to make my hair look better then there's.

[near wasp]

Now days I probably am losing my hair due to the stress of my job

[queen laurel]

I wish my hair didn't grow so quick because apparently barbers i have met had said that my hair is so thick and can bundle up so tough that even electric hair clippers struggle to break them at times

Nowadays my hair isn't so hard but it's still grows way to f****** quick

[gaunt sable]

My hairs extremely thick and grows pretty quickly.

[queen laurel]

You went through that too huh

Sometimes i wish i was just bald

[rose thorn]

I wonder how long until gw writers say that space marines can grow limbs back like starfish

Idk why that was the first thought that came to my head

[storm jungle]

I think theres nothing wrong with being bald as long as its like the appropriate age, when it happens early though man 💀

[outer wave]

A mini marine with a big arm is formed from the discarded limb

[queen laurel]

Considering how your mind this as chaotic as the gloomspite gits i am not surprised with that thought

[rose thorn]

AKDHAHAHAH

[queen laurel]

From where i'm from a young kid being bald is just normal so like i don't even care my hair is annoying sometimes

[rose thorn]

“Somewhere out there, there is an evil space marine with an arm twice his size

[outer wave]

There's a marine with a smaller the average head

A smaller marine with a huge bobble head

What if you vertically bisect a space marine though?

[dusk patrol]

Then you have to be careful or they’ll grow into two marines

[near wasp]

But I want cool augments

[queen laurel]

I'm surprised that a regenerating space marine mutant chapter isn't a thing

[outer wave]

You know, true

[dusk patrol]

It kinda is

Sons of Anteaus

[rose thorn]

Thats why half of the iron warriors is on a council for some reason

[dusk patrol]

Cursed Founding chapter

[rose thorn]

They are doing mitosis

[dusk patrol]

They have abnormally high regeneration

[rose thorn]

Was that the one made with every geneseed?

[dusk patrol]

No

[queen laurel]

Do they regenerate it seems that they are just extra tough

Like i'm talking cut off their arm and it starts growing back

[outer wave]

Honestly a starfish-styled regenerating chapter sounds like a funny idea for CSMs

[dusk patrol]

One appears in a Deathwatch book

Him and an Iron Hand knife fight

[rose thorn]

CSM warband idea, when they regenerate their injuries is replaced with stone

[dusk patrol]

He keeps regenerating the wounds super fast

Idk the extent though

Eventually he gets killed when the Iron Hand lifts him off the ground and shanks him through both hearts

[outer wave]

You know that meme of the guy from Baki the Grappler where he's on a hospital bed and it's edited for the guy to look like a stump? That's what I'm imagining now.

[dusk patrol]

Which kinda fits for their “can’t lose if their feet are in the ground” deal

[near wasp]

Did kurzes back ever Regen?

[rose thorn]

google

ahagehwhhshs

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Primarchs have regenerated from some goofy stuff

Fulgrim got shot in the head

[near wasp]

Apparently not enough

[outer wave]

That one chaos marine that too much of a beating in one fight

[rose thorn]

Survived head shots and back shots damn

[queen laurel]

But they are basically the only chapter that exhibited the trait right?

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[dusk patrol]

Yes they’re a cursed founding chapter

[rose thorn]

Tbh I was just ripping off a warcry warband lmao

[queen laurel]

Shove his ass in a dreadnought

[dusk patrol]

So that was part of their experiment

[outer wave]

Dreadnought suppository

[queen laurel]

Cursed founding chapter it's a funky way of saying that we just want them to be cooler than average

[dusk patrol]

Yeah generally

[queen laurel]

Black Dragons my Beloved

Funny tarkatan space marine

[dusk patrol]

They often have a special deal but it comes with the cost of bad luck

There’s a reason they didn’t experiment like that again

[queen laurel]

Mutant angels aren't going to be well liked

[dusk patrol]

It ain’t called cursed for no reason

[queen laurel]

Black Dragons literally getting antagonized every chance

[dusk patrol]

You think that’s bad

[queen laurel]

Still amazing though that these guys can still be nice to people

[dusk patrol]

The Bad Dragons chapter can’t catch a break

[queen laurel]

Shut your refrigerator shaped jawline

[dusk patrol]

In everyone else’s defense

They do be a little wild

[queen laurel]

I mean it's mixing of the two things the imperium loves and eats the most to make an abomination

The angel of the emperors and mutants

On their eyes these are just mutated angels not worth the emperor's blessing

[dusk patrol]

Extra stabby angels

[queen laurel]

And like a literally said they are straight up just tarkatans from mortal kombat

They can even launch their bone spikes

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Dipping the spikes in adamantine is fun too

[queen laurel]

And wolverine too because some of these guys coat their bone blades with Adamantine

These guys are basically what if we took Tarkatans from mk combine with wolverine and make it a super soldier

[dusk patrol]

They’re a very fun concept

https://tenor.com/view/snikt-wolverine-game-clench-gif-26513017

[queen laurel]

I do want to make a Black dragon that is mute but he uses his bone spikes coated with andamantium and a Power Field

But i don't think power field implants for bone spikes are available in the imperium

[dusk patrol]

I had someone almost pick one for a deathwatch game

We were trying to decide what we should count the spikes as for weapons

[queen laurel]

Yes so it's been an idea for my head but i've just been looking for a way to implement his bones to be still throwable after being implanted with Adamantine and powerfield

The power field i just decided to make an explanation he just has specialized gauntlets that allow him to power the blades

It's the part where how do you coat newly regrown bone blades with metal because you just decided to throw your first ones

Do i give replace one of his hearts with a liquid metal pump or what

[dusk patrol]

You could do one he launches and one he has permanently “upgraded”

[queen laurel]

You know what f*** it, he decided to eat some pills that gave him super organic adamantine bones or some shit

[dusk patrol]

Unironically you could just go with the base bones still too

Marine bones are super strong

[queen laurel]

Yeah but i'm planning to run a power field on his claws

[dusk patrol]

Use the natural weapons trait

[queen laurel]

I'm just like making him as a character to write not to play by the way

[dusk patrol]

Where they can’t be destroyed by power fields or disarming

Oh nvm then yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah i would just give him
Organic metal bones and gauntlets that when his bone spikes go through it gives them a power field

Simplest idea in my head and creative enough i supposed

[dusk patrol]

Yeah and they’re a fairly open ended chapter anyways

We don’t have a ton on them beyond the basics

[queen laurel]

Yeah they're also fairly gigantic too

Thanks to the mutations on their bones they grow larger than your average marine

[dense dawn]

WHAT IS YOUR DUTY?

[opaque coyote]

"Everyone continues to fucking laugh at our names for some reason. Yet when we ask, nobody can tell us why."

"Well what is your chapter name."

"Bad Dragons"

an attempt to contain laugher is made by the other space marine

[dense dawn]

Ain't no way that's an actual chapter 💀

[opaque coyote]

You know the worst part is that Color Scheme actually isn't bad honestly

[dusk patrol]

It’s not

But yeah it’s a meme, it does look dope though

[dense dawn]

Oh good

[dusk patrol]

Ngl

[dense dawn]

Imagine naming a chapter "the bad dragons"

[opaque coyote]

I mean honestly you could make a legit color scheme and just call it

"Crimson Dragon"

Or

[dense dawn]

The name is the thing

[opaque coyote]

"Vile Wyverns"

Or something

[dense dawn]

Yeah that's a lot better

[opaque coyote]

Ik

I K

[dense dawn]

Who the fuck came up with the bad dragons legion anyways

[gray umbra]

ah yes

[opaque coyote]

Memers

[dense dawn]

Of cohrse

[dusk patrol]

The joke is the site

[opaque coyote]

It's not an actual chapter

[gray umbra]

bad dragons who are led by chapter master corsehock

[opaque coyote]

Y'know

[dusk patrol]

It’s not real yeah

[opaque coyote]

Unless if you want to make it one

[dense dawn]

What site

[storm jungle]

The sex toy site

[dusk patrol]

They sell weird sex toys

[storm jungle]

do you not know who Bad Dragon is

lol

[dense dawn]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

Ask your mom about it

She’ll know

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah eternal speaking of, what space marine chapters had mutations relating to their growth like the black dragons, because those guys like i said can literally grow to 9 ft

[dusk patrol]

Storm Giants I think

[queen laurel]

Almost the size of a fully grown ogryn

[dusk patrol]

Something like that

[dense dawn]

That's going in the book umgi

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-grudges-total-war-warhammer-dwarfs-dwarf-vengeance-gif-19626646

[dense dawn]

YEAAHEE

[dusk patrol]

Give him the grudging stare

[queen laurel]

Okay another space marine chapter to favorite because they specialized in physical strength

[dense dawn]

That sounds badass

Is that one real?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[dense dawn]

While I know the legions Idk the chapters

[dusk patrol]

Theorized to be a Salamander successor

[dense dawn]

Oooo

What's their gimmick

[gray umbra]

its ok theres like countless chapters

[opaque coyote]

Also they're in the same founding as the Lamenters

The cursed founding

[gray umbra]

and they kind of blend together after a while

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I headcanon them as friends honestly

I can imagine them being allies

Because

[dense dawn]

Yeah bro it's crazy

[gray umbra]

like angels vermillion

[opaque coyote]

A) One has bad luck, the other is cursed/blessed with mutations.

[dense dawn]

Fucking what now

[storm jungle]

Successor Chapters are so good

if you are lucky you will get like

[gray umbra]

its just a blood angels chapter

[storm jungle]

1 sentence of lore

💀

[dense dawn]

[storm jungle]

Gore Golems gang rise up

[languid meadow]

Crimson fists and raptors my beloveds

[storm jungle]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gore_Golems

[dense dawn]

I like the marines malevolent

[opaque coyote]

B) It would also be funny to have the Inquisition be even more sus that the Lamenters are friends with the Black Dragons.

[dusk patrol]

They’re big

And strong

[opaque coyote]

Which would make them hate it even more

[dusk patrol]

That’s their thing

[dense dawn]

Obviously they're salamanders

[dense dawn]

Oh

[opaque coyote]

Since the Lamenters are literally cursed with like

[dense dawn]

Like stronger than your usual green boi?

[opaque coyote]

"Oh we're going to do this well meaning action!"

"THEY FUCKING DISRESPECTED US. THE FUCKING NERDS"

[dusk patrol]

My favorite old Rogue Trader line is about how there’s “vicious rumors” about the Flesh Eaters chapter eating people

[queen laurel]

Such a badass name for a chapter with less lore then a random insect i can find in the kitchen

[dense dawn]

Flesh eaters?
These mfs loyalist?

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines casually popping pieces of brain into their mouths:

[gray umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390353081885261824/1286780613302550589/image.png?ex=66ef2755&is=66edd5d5&hm=854a40775899e0975f6b980c82817aec17d52a02219a22f9d51456897451d8ea&

ANGEL <something>

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/pause-blue-emoji-meme-blue-emoji-blue-emoji-eating-sus-gif-26131921

[dense dawn]

I would listen a literal course on how the stomach is directly linked to the brain ngl

[opaque coyote]

Also fun fact about their brain eating

They rarely do it to Xenos because whenever they do relive the memories

They actually y'know RELIVE THEM AS IF THEY ARE THE PERSON

Including their unique senses, their lives

The complications of it all

[dusk patrol]

Very

The funny thing is

[opaque coyote]

And of course. The feelings they get when they die

[dusk patrol]

The Flesh Eaters and Blood Drinkers are basically known to be super chill and respected

[opaque coyote]

This causes a little thing called

SYMPATHY

[dense dawn]

Imagine a space marine starts empathising with a tau

[opaque coyote]

Which of course isn't allowed

Cause Suffer not the Xenos to live

[gray umbra]

and then you get the flesh tearers

who are kinda assholes

[dense dawn]

My bad

[opaque coyote]

Another fun fact.

Dante doesn't actually hate xenos

He still kills them

[dense dawn]

Sympathy

[opaque coyote]

Ofc

[dense dawn]

Who's dante again

[gray umbra]

blood angels guy

[opaque coyote]

The Oldest Blood Angels

I guess after 1000+ years. Even the brainwashing kinda

[dense dawn]

I know the blood drinkers
The flesh eaters sound incredibly chaos for some reason

[opaque coyote]

Loses it's effectiveness

[dense dawn]

Prolly reminds me of some khorne worshipping legion

[gray umbra]

in another universe the blood angels would've been khorne

for sure

[opaque coyote]

Many of the more violent and "disgusting" chapters are often the more chill ones tbh

A constant theme

[dense dawn]

Imagine if things were swapped

Who would Leman Rus worship

[opaque coyote]

Something something""hurr dre don't judge a book by it's cover"

[gray umbra]

blood angels had a very bloody upbringing before sanguinius

[opaque coyote]

There is recent fanart of Leman and Magnus actually switching planets

[gray umbra]

so its not unexpected

[opaque coyote]

With Leman leading the Tsons

And Magnus leading the SW

[dense dawn]

Leman the NERD

[opaque coyote]

The art is actually pretty sick

[dense dawn]

Bro this is too ironic

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine swapped Leman being more like Odin

[dense dawn]

Poetic actually

[opaque coyote]

Yeah lemme share some of the art it actually looks pretty cool

Give me a sec

Leman Russ, Primarch of the Thousand Sons

And Magnus, Primarch of the Space Wolves

[dense dawn]

Wow they went full Egyptian

[dense dawn]

Bro why is this so cool

This looks kinda better wtf

[opaque coyote]

Art by u/Wolfdawgartcorner

[dense dawn]

I'm actually fine with wolf magnus

[opaque coyote]

Wolfdawg usually makes some good shit

[rose thorn]

Wow Fox marines are. A lot cooler then I expected

[opaque coyote]

Of course don't forget Space Wolf Ahriman

[gray umbra]

does he turn the space wolves into dust too

[languid meadow]

I love the wolf helmets only when they're used for their psykers

Ahriman rocks that shit

[gray umbra]

instead of mutations, the rubric fixes the wulfen curse

[dusk patrol]

No worse

It makes them kibble

[gray umbra]

"All is kibble"

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also uh

Necron Samurai

[dense dawn]

So magnus is loyalist this time?

[dense dawn]

A necron samurai??

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Wolfdawg makes some cool shit

[opaque coyote]

I mean who doesn't like some Weeb mixed with Egyptian

To be honest I did have the idea of Ork Samurai tho

Idk it makes sense

Also it would be funny

And also got inspired by this funny fucking video

[dense dawn]

Holding the sword the wrong way

[gray umbra]

samuro

https://tenor.com/view/persona-heroes-of-the-storm-samuro-gif-21229320

[dense dawn]

Oim da biggest wagh daimio

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/Ur6KU_qXhHE?si=TgmDKG6tTXkB0eG3

Idk what would be scarier

Having an Ork do fucking anime level sword moves

Or having an Ork bash people with a body pillow

[gray umbra]

that ork is based

[dense dawn]

The ork degeneracy is crazy

Question

How can custodians move at Anime protagonist speed

When they are much larger than usual marines

[arctic talon]

They’re built better(literally)

Gene alchemy is much more complex and high quality then how marines are made

[dense dawn]

They're just built different got it

[gray umbra]

even space marines are pretty agile

even if they dont look like it

somehow

[leaden pilot]

servomotors are doing the heavy lifting there

probably

[crisp heath]

Nah space marines can move as fast as a car without power armor

In AMERICAN units space marines can go like 35-40 MPH

[paper haven]

America has cars too, you know

[leaden pilot]

well yeah, i just assumed that the original message was about space marines in power armour
cause then they don't really look to agile
outside the armor they look more agile

[paper haven]

But since the armor is wired directly into their nervous system and moves in sync with their body, they are even faster in armor than outside

[crystal forum]

i wouldn't go to that extent

they still suck at stuff like swimming

but the armour doesn't impede them at all

[paper haven]

Well sure but that's because they weigh a literal ton

[gray umbra]

power armor acts as a second skin due to the carapace

[paper haven]

A regular person wearing power armor does look rather ponderous and clunky

A space marine does not

[languid meadow]

wdym a normal person in term armor looks great

[spring cairn]

jesus

[paper haven]

Never said they weren't ballin

Just comparatively clumsy

[spring cairn]

where's the edit of their actual frame drawn on top of the armor

[languid meadow]

I think the inquisitions power armor looks really good

[paper haven]

Shoulders up over their heads

[languid meadow]

the drip

[paper haven]

I know that guy

[languid meadow]

a very jolly fellow

[paper haven]

Always thought he had an open mind

[languid meadow]

I think the ordo malleus use power armor the most but all the ordos do

every time I see a OM inky they always have power armor

[paper haven]

Malleus is grey knights too, right?

[languid meadow]

yea

daemon hunters

[paper haven]

Same. I don't think I have ever seen one not in power armor

[languid meadow]

I mean the human sized power armour inquisitors use is literally called malleus power armor

[gray umbra]

[spare osprey]

You can see her getting in it aswell. Doesn’t do much to help

Honestly that comic run

Is so much of “something”

[wintry scarab]

Are space marine scout minis (the new ons) the same size as normal primaris?

[opaque coyote]

I mean Malleus mfs have to deal with Daemons

Gotta have good shit against them

And subtlety is often thrown out the window when dealing with Chaos cults and stuff anyways

[paper haven]

Ironically

[paper haven]

This was the Dark angels comic, yeah?

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[paper haven]

Yeah, doesn't help her much.

[spare osprey]

Might as well have been a 40K comic in general tho, with so many damn factions in it

[paper haven]

Right? I think everything except Orks and tyrannids made an appearance

[spare osprey]

Literally 💀

Like the Necrons and harlequins pop up outta nowhere

[paper haven]

And then they disappear

[spare osprey]

Shorter. Scout marines aren’t really first born or primaris since they don’t have a couple organs yet

Including the primaris ones

[spare osprey]

Mhm

Then I mean

Fuck you

Lord of change

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, but is this the same with models?

[spare osprey]

Ye

[paper haven]

Always been a bit confused by scout marines

Are they small space Marines, physically the same except not implanted with the black carapace?

[spare osprey]

Can see it best with the templars, tho I think the neophytes are a bit bigger than normal scouts

Just a bit shorter than normal marines

[paper haven]

They should probably be wearing helmets

[spare osprey]

They’re in the middle of becoming a space marine

[paper haven]

I know that much, it's just that so many depictions differ on what exactly that means

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[leaden pilot]

I always thought it was space marines without the black carapace

But it could be explained with "it varies chapter to chapter"

[arctic talon]

Shorter, they aren't in PA

[storm jungle]

Not to be confused with Reivers

who are basically scouts

but got power armor and black carapace

[arctic talon]

Reivers are in power armor

[arctic talon]

I

Am

not having a good time mentally today

[storm jungle]

Same.

[spare osprey]

Ok took me a sec to find it

But I recommend going by the Calgar way

Cause it’s the most in depth I’ve seen

[dusk patrol]

The Calgar comic in general is really great too

[storm jungle]

The recruit training part is so fucking funny I love it

kids crawling under barbwire while some wolves maul another child in the background

[dusk patrol]

You do seem to get a kick out of violence against children…..

But yes it’s great

[paper haven]

Wasn't the Calgar comic where Calgar revealed he wasn't actually Calgar?

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

He took the name of another kid

[hallow plover]

at this point Calgar is the real Calgar

[storm jungle]

Well yeah hes not Calgar

but yes

[dusk patrol]

Who was going to be an aspirant

[storm jungle]

Its a bit stupid but like

i get why they did it

Calgar is a boring character

id have tried something similiar if i was in that position lol

[hallow plover]

Are you even Dilara

[dusk patrol]

Yeah basically

He was friends with the son of minor noble family

[paper haven]

I recall being confused by the choice, as it didn't seem to add much. Like, everything he did he still did.
It's just now the name we know him by isn't the one he was born with.
Like, it's a fight club ending without everything that happened to set it up.

[storm jungle]

Well yeah because it doesnt add anything.

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t really matter much it’s more his origins were he came from nothing

[storm jungle]

Hes still boring.

like theres much better Chapter Masters out there

[dusk patrol]

He still made the name what it was, it didn’t matter before then

[paper haven]

My point is that it doesn't matter, so why write that in?

[dusk patrol]

It basically just let him get in the door to even trying

[dusk patrol]

Because it’s just a wrinkle and it added to the place the story took place at

The significance was he had “returned home”

[paper haven]

Seems like lazy writing

[storm jungle]

Well yeah it is

but again they had to add something

this is the CALGAR ORIGIN comic

[dusk patrol]

It works fine in the comic

[storm jungle]

its very experimental

but yeah that, it works

its very much whatever

[dusk patrol]

I’d recommend reading it, it’s very well done

It’s a simple concept but it’s got some good writing

[paper haven]

I never really understood the obsession with origin stories

[dusk patrol]

Lots of dry humor too

[hallow plover]

We need origin comics for every major characters. And more novels. With Primarchs. And phases

[storm jungle]

Some fans like it

its a mostly safe space to explore

etc etc etc

[dusk patrol]

The point of the comic was to introduce people to 40k

Giving Calgar an origin lets them explain 40k more

Because it explains how he grew up and the aspirant process

[paper haven]

Like, you know how it ends. The only value is in the journey but if that journey is boring, then why bother?

[crisp heath]

Are there any good chaos vs chaos things

[hallow plover]

The aspirant process varies with chapters though

[dusk patrol]

They had to make the comic for me than just existing fans

[storm jungle]

That largely depends, like this comic is very much just "Okay" but when its written well it can be really good, its why some origin material in fiction ends up being super praised.

[dusk patrol]

Sure but the general idea is similar

[paper haven]

Talon of Horus talks about how the Black legion was formed

[hallow plover]

Yea

[dusk patrol]

Like yes if I explain the plot it can seem bland but that’s most plots

The writing and characters make it

There’s a lot of great movies and whatever where if you break it down it’s boring

[paper haven]

Characters that do a switcheroo at the end to no real effect

[dusk patrol]

Or if you summarize it

Also idk it might not be for you

I enjoyed it and I’ve generally seen positive responses when I recommend it

[paper haven]

Like: Aha didn't expect that did you?
Not really, no

[storm jungle]

I'd recommend it for the Young Calgar stuff

[dusk patrol]

It’s not meant to be a big twist

[storm jungle]

the modern day timeskip stuff is very boring

just open ComicOnline and give it a look

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

It’s super easy to find online

[storm jungle]

Yeeee just google it

its like 5 issues lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s similar to the Vader comics to me

[storm jungle]

will maybe take 20-30m of your time max

[dusk patrol]

It’s like, the main story is fine but it’s got good dialogue

And some neat concepts

Also surprisingly good humor

[paper haven]

I just hate reading things only for it to wind up being a waste of time. It happens so much with 40k

[dusk patrol]

It’s a very short comic

[crisp heath]

It's cool to see a scout though, scouts get almost no love even though it's arguably the peak "adventure story" phase for a space marine

[storm jungle]

yeah thats fair but this is fun

the visuals help

[dusk patrol]

But ultimately it’s your choice

Idk

[storm jungle]

We need a story like that Vader yandere one with a Chapter Master instead

[dusk patrol]

That shit was wild

[paper haven]

The scout stuff might make it worth it though

[storm jungle]

It was SO fucking great

i respect that they did some shit like that for a callout

lmao

[dusk patrol]

Such a random idea I love it

[storm jungle]

"I can fix you my lord!"

fucking stabs her

[dusk patrol]

I can’t imagine the pitch for that

[storm jungle]

Same, it was 100% done to like mock those kinds of people and I love it

[arctic talon]

she literally dresses like

some irl office lady as well

[arctic talon]

which is even weirder lol

[storm jungle]

PEAK

[paper haven]

Oh the Vader fan girl that stalks him and insists they're in love

[storm jungle]

Yeah that one lmfao

[dusk patrol]

Yea she obesesses over him and thinks hes leaving stuff for her

[paper haven]

That one made me chuckle

[dusk patrol]

And loves her

[dusk patrol]

And then that happens

[storm jungle]

"Who the fuck-"

[dusk patrol]

She has a shrine to him

[paper haven]

His expression is so good

[crisp heath]

Why is she dressed like a soccer mom

[dusk patrol]

Of leftover battle damaged stuff he "left" for her.

[storm jungle]

Her fantasizing Vader killing her annoying superior officer was fucking destroying me

[arctic talon]

Isn't it like

literally some of his skin as well

[storm jungle]

yes

SHE DOES

LMFAO

fucking psycho

[storm jungle]

GOD THE FACE

[dusk patrol]

He

is so done

[storm jungle]

He literally, just woke up

[paper haven]

In the fucking padme outfit

[dusk patrol]

He's not even mad just like

"wat"

[storm jungle]

"who are you???"

man i gotta re-read that now, ill head off

[paper haven]

I'd probably just stab her too

Like, I haven't even had coffee yet lady

I am not dealing with this.

[rocky gale]

Do yous want to hear the controversy over this comic?

[dusk patrol]

Also to be clear this comic was between this one

And this one

Like the comics are all Vader doing wild shit, his origins, very serious and dark.

[paper haven]

Controversy?

[dusk patrol]

And then randomly theres this random lady.

[paper haven]

What like, violence against women is bad or some such?

[dusk patrol]

People felt bad for her and some stupid shit idk.

It was lame whatever it was.

[paper haven]

Cuz, I mean it is but he's a genocidal monster and she's crazy as hell. So.

[dusk patrol]

Also I realize I used a meme page for the top comic just now

[rocky gale]

The original idea for the comic was came up with by another writer, they wrote the comic with a male engineer being a Vader fanboy, the writer was told it was an awful idea and they got rid of them, then they redid the comic with a woman instead.

[dusk patrol]

Eh whatever it’s funnier

Her being in love with him makes it better imo

[rocky gale]

The guy was also in love with him

[paper haven]

Same story just a gender swap?

[crisp heath]

Darth Gaydar

[rocky gale]

Yea

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure if they made it a gay guy people would have been mad cause Vader is killing the gays

[crisp heath]

Didn't he do a genocide

[rocky gale]

Well I dunno if it was explicitly love, but it was someone obsessed with Vader

[paper haven]

So... Is it that killing a gay stalker is bad or are we just not allowed to show gay stalking but if it's a girl then fine?

[dusk patrol]

Idk

People are stuoid

[rocky gale]

The concern apparently was that they didn't want to alienate their male fans by having Vader kill a male fanboy

So he kills a fangirl instead

[dusk patrol]

I know someone had an issue cause “violence against women”

Done by the villain

Whose killed children

[paper haven]

That's... Dumb as hell

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure some dumbass would have been mad about him killing a gay guy

[crisp heath]

I'm just mad that people keep paying to consume star wars stuff

[dusk patrol]

Idc if they’re good

That’s really it, a lot of the recent stuff hasn’t been

[paper haven]

They're in too deep. Sunken cost fallacy is a bitch

[dusk patrol]

But if it’s good I’ll watch it or whatever

I’m haven’t seen much recent SW stuff

[rocky gale]

Andor good

[paper haven]

I will pay money for another kotor game though

Fucking love those games

[dusk patrol]

Well saber is doing the remaster

So you’re in luck in however many years

[rocky gale]

Is the remaster still happening?

[paper haven]

I know about the remaster.

[rocky gale]

I thought that died

[dusk patrol]

It did

Now it’s back

[paper haven]

It's just been years

[rocky gale]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

No ones ever really gone

[paper haven]

And well... Disney

[crisp heath]

The only thing I care about Star Wars is that the ending battle from The Northman is a Star Wars allusion

[paper haven]

What? No way.

[crisp heath]

Except they're naked vikings

Yeah no it's very explicitly the volcano thing except they're naked

[paper haven]

Oh the fight between Anakin and obi wan?

[crisp heath]

I guess if that's who they were

[paper haven]

That's a pretty sick sequence, a good thing to copy from

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mustafar-anakin-obi-wan-gif-26669597

This bit

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Basically one of the best choreographed fights in all of star wars

[crisp heath]

Wouldn't know

[languid meadow]

listen acolyte had a bunch of problems but man the lightsaber fights were pretty good

[crisp heath]

An idea I've been floating around for years is writing a Star Wars fanfic based entirely off what my perception of Star Wars is via osmosis

[paper haven]

That's fair. I only know that because of my interest in fencing and I've seen people discuss it

[paper haven]

That's pretty interesting. Star wars is a cultural touchstone. There are people who know what Vader looks like without ever seeing a single movie

[opaque coyote]

Like even with the obvious CGI

The fight is so well choreographed and dramatic that it's genuinely the best part

Even though the Prequels are flawed

Heavily, heavily flawed

That fight genuinely made me forget the flaws for a moment

To yap poetic for a bit

It basically reminds you what the prequels were meant to be

A tragedy of a fallen hero

The Hero that has enslaved himself to the dark forces. With his confidence and worry as his collar of slavery.

Against his brother, his master, somebody who has tried to take care of him for years

[paper haven]

Yeah, that

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also George Lucas actually wanted to cut some of the fight out and speed it up

[paper haven]

That tracks

[opaque coyote]

But Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor practiced so much and so many times the movements are without any speed up techniques

So he decided to let it stay

[paper haven]

I recently watched episode 1 again and... I did not realize the race coding was that intense god damn

[opaque coyote]

The podracing scene is still cool as fuck

But episode 1 and episode 2 are

uhhhhhhh

eeehhhh

bad

hilariously so at points

but bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLf1JO5bvE

[paper haven]

Padme looks like she's on the verge of panic any time Anakin talks to her

[rocky gale]

Padme taking Anakin to the Royal seduction chamber and wearing her sexiest outfit to tell him that they couldn't bang was a power move.

[paper haven]

I'll say it, there hasn't been a particularly good start wars movie since the 70s

[opaque coyote]

There have been good comics

Actually even Disney made some really good ones

Again, I fucking love the Darth Vader comic series

[paper haven]

The comics are diff

Wait no- ack

[opaque coyote]

Oh and of course the Clone Wars shows. Both versions

[rocky gale]

That is certainly a statement

Like of all the statements, that's one of them

[crisp heath]

Why is there a royal seduction chamber

[paper haven]

The comics are good.

[languid meadow]

naboo is freaky like that

[rocky gale]

For telling people you can't have sex with them

[opaque coyote]

As for the Disney Sequels.

The first movie was... okay

[paper haven]

For royal rejection. The name is misleading on purpose

[crisp heath]

Do people canonically bang in star wars

[storm jungle]

Yall seen some of Padme's dresses????

[languid meadow]

kylo exists so yeah

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

George Lucas does not strike me as a man who knows where babies come from

[languid meadow]

fucking FREAKY

[rocky gale]

Just to clarify do you just not know when the movies came out or are you claiming that New Hope is the only good Star Wars movie?

[paper haven]

Well, the main hero of the setting is the son of the main villain, so yeah

[rocky gale]

Because New Hope is the only one that came out in the 70s

[storm jungle]

also Strawberry jokes but like

WASNT THERE A FUCKING PAGE ON THE WIKI FOR "SEX" 💀

[opaque coyote]

Again, Finn was an interesting character. And I genuinely believe that if it was better written, he would've been one of the most famous Star Wars side characters tbh

[languid meadow]

My fav part of new star wars is people pretending that disney has added a bunch of things that "make the setting worse" when that stuff has always been there

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Reproduction/Legends

noOOOOOOO

[languid meadow]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

REPRODUCTION

[crisp heath]

I'm also not joking. I never would have imagined the topic would be broached in star wars

[storm jungle]

LOOK ABOVE THEN

[opaque coyote]

Wtf does Jabba the Hut even do with all of those slaves tbh

[storm jungle]

Reproduction was the biological or artificial process in which new organisms were produced from one or more parent organisms. Sex was an activity that could result in procreation. Individuals from different genetically compatible species could potentially conceive a hybrid.

stop THIS

[languid meadow]

glub shitto of sex

[arctic talon]

why is this a page

[opaque coyote]

Like are then even biologically capable enough to even be pleasured?

[rocky gale]

A major plot point is that Anakin wants to bang but isn't allowed to because of the Jedi code

[storm jungle]

Many species in the galaxy produced new offspring through sexual reproduction,[2] the mating of parent organisms with compatible genetic material.[3] Other methods of combining sperm with an ovum could also produce a new life form.[4] In most mammals, the offspring would then gestate in the mother's womb until birth.[5] Some species were capable of producing hybrid offspring with other species, such as Human-Zabrak[6] or Borneck-Etti pairings.[7]

[crisp heath]

I like how this link implies sex is a legend

[paper haven]

I said what I said, but got the titles mixed up

[storm jungle]

I need

a page like this in

in 40k

lmao

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

💀

[opaque coyote]

Legend refers to Pre-Disney canon

[rocky gale]

So you're saying that New Hope is the only good Star Wars movie?

[languid meadow]

needs to be in broken latin and have too many words to describe taking off clothes

[arctic talon]

We are not hearing about the Tau "can you have sex" test

[paper haven]

That's the fanfic section

[arctic talon]

and application forms

[opaque coyote]

Wait they have those

[crisp heath]

This is unironically my utopian fantasy

[opaque coyote]

That

[paper haven]

Yes but that's not what I meant to say.

[opaque coyote]

actually maks a lot of sense

[arctic talon]

your genetics get tested

[rocky gale]

I'm surprised 40k doesn't have anything like the Qun does in terms of reproduction

[arctic talon]

Tau society has eugenics

[opaque coyote]

Ah

Yeah there we go

[rocky gale]

I guess Tau might

[paper haven]

Tau women prefer human men, that's just how it is

[opaque coyote]

There's the 40k I know and love

[arctic talon]

you're either allowed to reproduce or you're not

[rocky gale]

I don't know much about their reproductive lore

[arctic talon]

and then if you want to have kids/be in a family with someone

you have to ask as well

and it'll either get approved or denyed

then you get to have kids/a family lol

[crisp heath]

Oh now I was thinking like a written quiz to get a license to make skin contact with someone

[opaque coyote]

Honestly for a sec I thought it was a like dating thing

But yeah that is

weird

[rocky gale]

Because with the Qun you're allowed to fall in love and marry whoever you want, but you're only allowed to have kids with whoever the government tells you too.

[opaque coyote]

Imagine having to walk to your local government building

[languid meadow]

"you need to disrobe her and behold her IMPERIALIUS DOMES"

[paper haven]

I meant the force strikes back, got the date for a new hope. I'm dumb

[opaque coyote]

"CAN I BANG HER. MY GENES ARE GOOD PROMISe."

[languid meadow]

The Qunari are some of the best parts of dragon age

I hope we see more of them in DA4

[paper haven]

But Tau are the good guys gais

[opaque coyote]

Ik this sounds weird but do Tau allow Gay people?

[arctic talon]

Yes?

but not as a family unit

[opaque coyote]

Do Gay people also need to take the test

Despite y'know

[arctic talon]

for tau(the race)

there's no point in that

you have a family to have kids

in tau society

[paper haven]

They probably can't get married

[rocky gale]

Hopefully we will, Tevinter is the closest we've been to Par Vollen so far, so probably

[arctic talon]

You aren't going to get CIA watercasted

[opaque coyote]

"Dammit, we can't get the tax benefits"

[arctic talon]

and given a "vacation"

[rocky gale]

and Seheron is just off the coast of Tevinter and it's got Qunari

[languid meadow]

god the look of Minrathous looks so good

no wonder dorian fucking hated the south

[arctic talon]

But if you have a "family" in tau society its for having children

Etherals/earth caste run a pretty tight eugenics program

lol

its kind of insane lol

[paper haven]

But otherwise, I imagine it's fine. Unless there is a serious social stigma against same sex couples in the inter-species solar empire

[languid meadow]

you go from magic powered electricity and working infrastructure to just dirt and more dirt

[paper haven]

Which I sort of doubt.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly now I really want to write a fanfic where it's just a Gue'la and a Tau living together as roommates

In a Tau controlled planet

[paper haven]

My Gue Roommate

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure they're heavily segregated

[rocky gale]

One thing I will say about the new Dragon Age is that the picking a starting faction idea is cool, but none of the factions they've shown really interest me all that much.

[languid meadow]

Imagine going from this to fucking fereldan 💀

[paper haven]

There's a new dragon age?

[languid meadow]

yeah next month I think

[rocky gale]

Yea it's coming out like in a couple of weeks

[paper haven]

Hmmm

I hope it's good, I don't want to be disappointed again

[rocky gale]

Again?

[languid meadow]

the only problem I have with it so far is the party limit and the ||darkspawn|| design

[opaque coyote]

I mean other alien species are treated as second class citizens

There is nothing saying that they can't live together tho

[paper haven]

Dragon age 2 killed my love for the series

[rocky gale]

Oh okay

So long we don't got any Inquisition slander

[crisp heath]

Farsight went heavt on the segregation at least

[rocky gale]

Inquisition is golden

[paper haven]

Never even played 3. Just couldn't do it.

[arctic talon]

Oh the magic as the neon is cool as shit lol

[rocky gale]

Oh no, Inquisition slander

[crisp heath]

Farsight literally said "I don't even want you fuckers on the same planet"

[paper haven]

Separate but equal, I'm sure

[languid meadow]

Isn't there one of the last two dwarf thaigs in tevinter

I hope we see that

[rocky gale]

I will say, if you haven't played Inquisition you probably won't understand the new one

2 You can kinda skip, but the game kinda directly carrys over from Inquisition

[languid meadow]

yeah the city looks great in the gameplay as well

[paper haven]

If the new one is good enough, I'll buy number 3 just to understand it better

[languid meadow]

looks 3000x better than the reveal trailer

[rocky gale]

I'm kind of annoyed that we're playing in Tevinter and I don't get the option of being a Magister

[paper haven]

But number 2 broke my heart

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

and

[paper haven]

It took a long time to recover

[languid meadow]

we don't get blood magic

[rocky gale]

Like this is the first game we can't be a Noble

[paper haven]

Uh oh. Already looking not good

[rocky gale]

How am I supposed to sneer at the commoners now

[languid meadow]

Gonna go grey warden my first playthrough

[rocky gale]

I've no clue what faction I'll pick first

[languid meadow]

Holy spelling mistakes batman

[opaque coyote]

Also I wonder how the Tau would deal with say

Conquering a Hive world

[rocky gale]

I might pick Wardens because the other factions I either don't care about or actively dislike

[opaque coyote]

How tf would they manage the downright

Archaic technology and gigantic labyrinthian structure

The Imperium doesn't even manage it. Especially the lower levels

[paper haven]

They would convert and reintegrate the native population into the fucking ground.

[languid meadow]

the only faction I hate is the crows since they've been a pain in my ass for multiple games

[paper haven]

An ullanor level restructuring of the planet

[rocky gale]

Just feels like such a wasted opportunity to not have a Tevinter noble option, it could have had such great party conflict with some of the other characters

[opaque coyote]

Yeah honestly I would imagine they would go around and basically just tell everyone to move out

And anybody who doesn't uh

doesn't

[paper haven]

Look, lower hive gangs are complete savages

[opaque coyote]

They aren't gonna destroy the place but they aren't gonna maintain it either

[languid meadow]

god I hope dorian shows up

I miss him already

[opaque coyote]

yup only like

upper hives honestly

Also would imagine they would execute any nobles that don't jive

[paper haven]

Hive nobility is like European nobility: inbred.

Definitely won't get a permit for marriage

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, probably one of the few times where their eugenic policies actually make sense

Have you seen how some of the nobles look

[paper haven]

I have

[languid meadow]

god I think the average hive resident would make a tau doctor die on the spot

[rocky gale]

I imagine the Tau would treat the Nobles as a challenge like how dog breeders are trying to undo the genetic problems with purebreds

[opaque coyote]

"Okay so you have Trench foot, cold, flu, rabies, HIV, AIDS, several different types of cancers..."

"How are you still alive?'

[languid meadow]

"MY FAITH"

[paper haven]

I appreciate how optimistic the Tau are. It's refreshing.

[rocky gale]

Trying to unravel the genetic gordian incest knot

[languid meadow]

Looking at the Ptolemaic dynasty be like

[crisp heath]

Tau Diplomat: Lord Alexandrius Cruellian, what is in your mouth?
Lord Alexandrius: ... my cousin
Tah Diplomat: * slaps with newspaper *

[languid meadow]

It's so bad

[arctic talon]

Holy

Shits a cube

[rocky gale]

Yea and they're also notable in that they had surprisingly few genetic issues considering how badly they interbred.

[opaque coyote]

Family tree?

Nah

Family ladder

[languid meadow]

I'm too scared to look at the Habsburg tree

[rocky gale]

They did much less incest, but had so much worse effects

[opaque coyote]

Basically the Tau conquering an Imperium world is the definition of

"Damn bitch you live like this?"

[crisp heath]

I like how in Cleopatra IV's generation literally every sibling married the other

Very poetic

Was it consecutive or simultaneous

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact

Charles's portrait was actually beautified

[crisp heath]

Also naming all your daughters Cleopatra and all your sons Ptolemy is a power move

[opaque coyote]

Yes this is the Artist trying to make him

[paper haven]

Fuck, that one got me good job

[opaque coyote]

As good looking but as faithful as possible

[languid meadow]

need to invent time travel just to snap a photo of charles

[opaque coyote]

Apparently Charles body was a fucking disaster according to the autopsy

[languid meadow]

a century of incest will do that to ya

[opaque coyote]

Excerpt from his Autopsy records: "heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."

[paper haven]

For the longest time I thought the Chad face was like, a recoloring of Charles II.

[languid meadow]

lmao

[paper haven]

I was wrong, sadly

[opaque coyote]

How the fuck did this man even live past 1 year of age is beyond me

[crisp heath]

"Astounded Christiandom by continuing to live" is a quote from the time

[paper haven]

His bloodline was pure

[paper haven]

Given that it has become an actual line.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that quote out of context is kinda fire

Literally defying god by living

Unfortunately God probably had the best intentions for Charles lmao

Or maybe the worst by letting him live

[rocky gale]

There's a theory that the Targaryen Dynasty from GoT are based in part off the Ptolymey dynasty with how they regularly married siblings and seemingly only rarely suffered effects from it

[crisp heath]

I like how we posted two horrible families trees and of the two of them, the world's most attractive woman came from the bloodline that's basically an ouroboros and a human pug who can only live to spite the concept of death came from like, 8 people failing to understand how genetics work

[paper haven]

"Imperial nobles continue to astound the Tau understanding of the robust nature of the human genome."

[paper haven]

They made the perfect human, what can we say

[opaque coyote]

I think there are only two fields in which the Imperium are more advanced than the Tau

Medical and Gene research

[languid meadow]

well it's theorized that cleo wasn't super physically attractive and just average, but like her charm and intellect is what made her attractive to men at the time

[paper haven]

Well there was the pyrophilia and mental instability

[rocky gale]

The thing with Incest is it amplifies the negative genetic traits, so if there aren't any of those underlying issues they won't get worse. So the assumption with the Ptolymey dynasty is that they were just very lucky and didn't have any major genetic issues to get worse.

[rocky gale]

It's unsure if that's related to the Incest of due to ancient blood rituals

[paper haven]

Oh we're talking about Cleopatra?
Yeah, people specifically said that her charm and wit out did her physical appearance

Reading between the lines a bit: she was either average looking or kind of ugly

[opaque coyote]

Cleo probably looked

Okay

At least for the time

Beauty standards have actually heightened throughout the years

So what would be average in her age

Probably would be fuck ugly for us honestly

[paper haven]

We would look very odd to them

[rocky gale]

Because we don't start to really see the effects of Targaryen madness or pyromania until after they lose the Dragons, with it being implied that Ancient Targs made a blood ritual that bound themselves to the Dragons and in doing so sacraficed part of themselves, so with the dragons now being extinct some Targs are literally missing part of their soul and succumb to madness without the Dragons.

[paper haven]

In fairness, I never read the books so I'll have to defer to your expertise. I sort of just thought a Targaryen fucked a dragon somewhere and it's been the world's problem ever since

[rocky gale]

It's a lot of alluded imagery and shit

[crisp heath]

Several of the notable Targaryen arson incidents were pretty explicitly attempts to hatch dragon eggs

It's definitely a dragon thing

[paper haven]

They could also be mentally unstable. Those two aren't mutually exclusive

[crisp heath]

Oh no they're fucking nuts

[languid meadow]

do you think it's a Targaryen thing or like a Valyrian thing

when it comes to dragon obsession

[rocky gale]

Yea, plus it's implied that the Targaryens themselves are part Dragon, because when their babies are stillborn or born prematurely they come out scaled with wings and spikes. So there's a theory that they have those features in the womb, but lose them as they develop and are eventually born.

Probably High Valyrian in general

Well the Dragonriders

[crisp heath]

I mean Targaryens are literal descendants of dragons, that was part of their blood magic

They did sacrifices to make humans mate with dragons

[paper haven]

So I was sort of right? Neat

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know if thats true

[rocky gale]

Valyrions and Celtigar for example are High Valyrian Houses who aren't descended from Dragon Riders in Valyria so they didn't have Dragon Blood "originally"

[dusk patrol]

But we know they did something

[crisp heath]

The Valyrians were all obsessed with dragons, but I think the Targaryens are the only ones who are likely literal descendants of them

[rocky gale]

They now arguably do due to intermarrying with Targaryen though

[dusk patrol]

Targaryen’s are descendants of dragon riders yeah

We don’t know a ton about Old Valyria

[rocky gale]

Yea we've never had a POV of Valyria like that

[paper haven]

Because the writer won't finish the god-damned books

[rocky gale]

So all the information we have is through the lens of historians generations later

[dusk patrol]

Balerion is the only “character” who ever saw it

As it was

[rocky gale]

Even if he does finish the main books the Doom of Valyria was hundreds of years before the events so probably wouldn't be covered much

Might even be a 1000 years

[crisp heath]

Anyway Ser Pounce remains Azor Ahai in my heart

[rocky gale]

I dunno

[paper haven]

I still remember how quickly GoT went from being a cultural touchstone to a disappointment so powerful it caused the Star Wars sequel trilogy to shift

[rocky gale]

One second, let me get you a totally accurate ASOIAF theory

Indeed

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't be shocked if when Martin dies and his notes are released there's just a long section where Euron Greyjoy explains everything about Valyria and never says how he knows this

[opaque coyote]

I have a pet theory despite never watching or reading GoT

The show ending is actually him testing how he wants to end the novels

[rocky gale]

Na

[crisp heath]

He actually seems pretty happy with the ending, sadly

[rocky gale]

Popular theory among people who haven't read the books, but it doesn't really align

[paper haven]

I want him to copy the show for the ending

[rocky gale]

We've talked about it before but even if that is the idea for the ending, the books are already so different that it would still be different

[paper haven]

I know they went in very different directions but not how different those directions are

[crisp heath]

I'm a Dany simp though. She's just such a scumbag, I love her.

[dusk patrol]

The show ending isn't inherently bad

Its how they did it

[rocky gale]

Yea it's the execution

[dusk patrol]

The core concept isn't bad though.

[rocky gale]

They just fucked up the ending with the execution

[languid meadow]

huh kind of reminds me of another piece of media

(AOT)

[dusk patrol]

My theory is Dany is gonna go on and lose a bunch of people fighting the Long Night like in the show, and that will drive her mad when she comes back and Aegon is the one everyone wants.

[paper haven]

I get the lesson, I can see the build up to it but just

[languid meadow]

the ending wasn't bad it was just how the manga handled it

[paper haven]

The execution was so bad

[rocky gale]

Yea, Young Griff will likely have a massive impact on Dany

[languid meadow]

I love you bronn

[rocky gale]

and he wasn't in the show

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-bronn-got-occhiata-glance-gif-8598774

[rocky gale]

Sooooo

They couldn't do it

[dusk patrol]

Also whats his name is gonna warg a dragon.

Cause why the fuck wouldn't you do that.

[paper haven]

Warg?

[crisp heath]

You might not be able to

[rocky gale]

Taking over it's mind and controlling it

[dusk patrol]

Mind control

[crisp heath]

Dragons are very high level magic

[dusk patrol]

Works on animals

[paper haven]

Oh right

[crisp heath]

And very intelligent

[paper haven]

The cripple

[crisp heath]

They're animals, but not normal animals

[dusk patrol]

Who cares its cool and he's the chosen one bullshit

[rocky gale]

You're not supposed to be able to Warg a human either, soooo

[dusk patrol]

He's warged people anyways iirc.

[paper haven]

Remember that time he traumatized and mind broke an innocent man so that he would sacrifice himself years later?

[dusk patrol]

I mean tbf he didn't mean to.

[rocky gale]

Yea he Wargs Hodor in the books as well and the books also touch on how horrifying it is

[paper haven]

Oh that makes it fine, then

[crisp heath]

Bran deserved everything that happened to him. I will not take questions.

[dusk patrol]

I mean no but it wasn't exactly something he had a choice over.

[rocky gale]

Like Hodor hates everytime he does it and Brann can feel that he wants him to stop, but he keeps doing it anyway

[dusk patrol]

Its not even close to the top 100 worst things someone does in those books.

[paper haven]

That's an active choice

[dusk patrol]

It hasn't happened in the books.

In the show its different.

[crisp heath]

I mainly upset the next book isn't coming out anytime soon purely because I'm pretty sure Euron is going to do Valyrian blood magic, which would be dope

[dusk patrol]

Also, the point of Brann in the books is he's kinda at a crossroads of abusing his power and losing himself to it.

Especially because he can't walk.

[crisp heath]

They should throw him out another window