40k-lore-chat

[languid meadow]

we stand for the one true chaos god in this house

the great horned rat

[fallen plaza]

Type without using the italics or bold function in discord for two months

[opaque coyote]

no

[fallen plaza]

I heard using them make you straight

[crisp heath]

If a chaos warband stole Blood Angels geneseed to replenish their numbers, would the chaos marines made with that geneseed still be subject to the black rage?

[opaque coyote]

Also all the CSMs of Slaanesh look fucking horrific and I love them

[crystal forum]

navy has access to a lot of pretty high quality troops compared to astra militarum. Anti boarding parties are trained extensively to the level of any high level regiment if not more.

crewmen are different, it's one of those "it depends" situations where a ship captain could take the time to actually train them in combat or not bother at all. usually they have to fight with whatever equipment they can find like wrenches

[fallen plaza]

They had a not solar auxilia kill team bix not too long ago

[languid meadow]

Navy voidsmen are so cool

[crystal forum]

bridge crew will probably have some pocket weapon

[opaque coyote]

100%, they even have unique weapons

Like they use Rotor Cannons

AKA A FUCKING MINIGUN

[fallen plaza]

Glad you clarified

[fallen plaza]

Now come to the school locker room for your daily wedgie session

[bold rampart]

yo that looks baller

[crystal forum]

this is a navy breacher, they are the dedicated boarding party members

not the standard crewman to be clear

[wraith quartz]

Ok, I was just using the term crewmen lightly given that idk difference who's made to fight for the ship and who's made to run the ship..

[fallen plaza]

Thats fun, using a minigun in basically the loudest place possible in a CQC situation

[opaque coyote]

Jokes on you

My ass is too sweaty.

[languid meadow]

actually that model is a voidsmen at arms which is different from a breacher or at least breachers are a subset of voidsmen at arms

These are navy breachers

[fallen plaza]

Ships are basically just small cities, so theres a community in there that has there needs met, including combat

[crystal forum]

as a crewman you'd have to do whatever you can to stop a boarding party, but yes there's dedicated security crew in most large ships

[fallen plaza]

Changes nothing

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I wonder how many guardsmen are just deaf now.

None of them seem to have hearing protection

[dusk patrol]

Probably but we don’t have examples sadly

[crystal forum]

noted

[crisp heath]

A story where a traitor marine suddenly hulks out on his allies because he thinks it's the Siege of Terra would be dope

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being the one manning the Heavy Bolter without ear protection

If you don't die by the enemies of the Imperium. The tinnitus will kill ya

[fallen plaza]

Zimmer face reveal teehee

[crisp heath]

Seriously the wildest thing about 40k to me is that no one wears hearing protection. It is not heretical to invest in some earplugs.

[crystal forum]

i believe kasrkin helmets have sound dampeners

[languid meadow]

lasguns are probably not that loud, but stubbers and ballistics.... yeah

[opaque coyote]

Hellbrute: "FUCK YEAH TIME TO ATTACK TERRA"

CSM: "bro we're on an agriworld. It's the 41st millennium. It's not terr-"

Hellbrute: "FUCK YOU COWARD. TIME TO KILL FOR THE WARMASTER. RAAAAAH-"

[crisp heath]

The sound of a lasgun varies by author but they generally are pretty loud

[fallen plaza]

Not really, most cadian helms you see have there ears covered

[crisp heath]

They superheat air which is noisy

[crystal forum]

i've seen it mentioned in regards to artillery that crews wear protection but because 40k has so much volume of fire it still wont stop you from becoming deaf

[opaque coyote]

I like to imagine it's the same as the Star wars blaster tbh

[wraith quartz]

Another sidenote: Does the Navy have their own "boarding" methods?

[fallen plaza]

Its totally different

[opaque coyote]

Just louder

[crisp heath]

I like to imagine it as a high pitched scream, but a popping sound seems to be the most popular take

[crystal forum]

boarding is an actual strategy that the navy prepares for and uses, yes

[opaque coyote]

It's just the Guardsman's eardrums exploding

[languid meadow]

lasguns are described to make cracking sounds for a while now at least when dan writes

[wraith quartz]

Ok, ty. Ttyl

[fallen plaza]

They knock on the door and ask nicely

[crystal forum]

alright lads you see that chaos barge right there? we're gonna board it

[opaque coyote]

"Excuse me, Mr. Swarmlord? Can I please be allowed in?"

"Hm. Do you have any food?"

"Yes! Lead."

[crisp heath]

I think if you're trying to board a bioship you've already lost

[opaque coyote]

BLAMBLAMLBLAMBLAMBLA-

[languid meadow]

tell that to space marines whos whole chapter is naval boarding's

[crystal forum]

believe it or not it's actually less suicidal than facing off tyranids on the ground

[crisp heath]

I think only marines have ever made it out of a bioship alive

[crystal forum]

nids are notoriously bad at void combat

[opaque coyote]

Mainly because the Tyranids literally turn the fucking plants against you

And terraform the planet to basically be spawning pits and poisonous air

[crisp heath]

Always bothered me that they're called "marines" but boarding isn't their main thing

[fallen plaza]

Thats why the books call them asstartes now

[spring cairn]

they board planets

[dusk patrol]

It is kinda tbh

[spring cairn]

with drop pods

[crisp heath]

They're called astartes because it can be copyrighted

[dusk patrol]

It’s the same as irl marines

[spring cairn]

yeah when was the last time a us marine boarded an enemy vessel

[dusk patrol]

They’re trained to deploy form the sea, doesn’t mean they always will

[plush mason]

thats the SEAL's job now

[languid meadow]

marines in the nations that use it are used as a spearhead iirc

[spring cairn]

exactly

[opaque coyote]

I mean the SMs are closer to US Marines core where they perform amphibious and expeditionary operations.

Which the SMs 100% do. Hell most chapters have their own ships. Some are entirely fleet based.

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/barbarian-scream-clash-of-clans-death-gif-23931248

[languid meadow]

so like how astartes are used in a lot of scenarios

[opaque coyote]

Pretty much yeah

[languid meadow]

me asf

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure space marine is copyrighted

[spring cairn]

marines when they get shot but it only damaged a non vital area (their brain)

[opaque coyote]

"Don't worry, it only hit my brain. I actually feel calmer now"

-Khornate Berserker

[dusk patrol]

They’re called both

It’s not called Astartes 2 for a reason

[opaque coyote]

Also GW tried to copyright the term space marine

Of course it got denied

[plush mason]

space marines are often used like a mix of force recon and vanguard strike team, they go behind enemy lines and relay info to the main forces and take and hold key points

[opaque coyote]

So they switched to Astartes cause they could copyright that

And they're salty

[crisp heath]

Astra Miliwhat? You're in the guard, son.

[languid meadow]

I mean both names can be used

[crystal forum]

huh apparently space marine is trademarked which is even stricter

[crisp heath]

Trademark is stricter for the company that trademarked it

[languid meadow]

AM can be used as the official name but called the guard by normal people, same with Aeldari and eldar

[plush mason]

i mean, there is now 2 games with the name space marine so makes sense

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think canonically/in universe

Astartes is the high gothic term named after their creator.

While "Space Marine" is just the low gothic term

[crisp heath]

And now that I think on it, where are all the combat engineers

[plush mason]

hell we see that in darktide

[opaque coyote]

Of course they're also called "The Angels of the Emperor" but that's a mouthful and also gets annoying

[crystal forum]

krieg have them

[spring cairn]

you just say "his angels" for short

[opaque coyote]

Away from the fighting.

They're engineers

[dusk patrol]

As far as I’m aware there’s basically no evidence of this

[plush mason]

the vet swaps between calling it the guard and the astra militarim in many lines

[opaque coyote]

They're more valuable fixing shit instead of dying

[crystal forum]

again space marine is trademarked which defeats the point

[dusk patrol]

They don’t even know the trademark or whatever for a lot of these new names when people investigated

[crystal forum]

krieg have combat engineers because they're the siege guys i guess

[opaque coyote]

So TLDR; The Legal System is getting closer and closer to the Imperium's every single day

[crystal forum]

but they're more like tunnel fighters

krieg love digging in general

i cant think of any other regiment combat engineer

[plush mason]

the internation copyrighting and trademarking laws has been a mini version of the administorum for longer than 40k has existed :/

[languid meadow]

I other regiments just take normal guardsmen to do those tasks instead of investing into a permanent sub branch like krieg

[crisp heath]

The darkest timeline: GW is a Japanese company now

[plush mason]

international law has always been a mess and a half

[queen laurel]

That is horrific

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Kriegers also have Lascutters.

Essentially just laser cutters that make a big hole in metal walls. Which makes sense.

Can apparently also be used as a makeshift weapon in a pinch. Short ranged and hefty tho

Would be awesome in Darktide as a Vet exclusive

[crystal forum]

isnt that just a melta gun

[languid meadow]

no

[plush mason]

great as if my brain wasnt rotted enough as is

[opaque coyote]

Nah Meltagun is more expensive

Also doesn't shoot lasers and is lighter

Well doesn't shoot a lasgun laser

[crystal forum]

meltaguns are cheap af

[arctic talon]

Las cutters are even cheaper

They’re really cheap industrial equipment

[languid meadow]

Meltas are a single beams of like super duper plasma

[crystal forum]

hell yes melta discussion has begun

[opaque coyote]

Picture of afforementioned Lascutter

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are basically a superheated hair dryer

[crystal forum]

the melta double slit experiment: is it chemical or laser?

[plush mason]

spicy blowtorch

[crystal forum]

both is the answer

[languid meadow]

I HATE space marines 1 and 2 depiction of meltas so much

[queen laurel]

Perfect for cooking ducklings

[languid meadow]

let me use my beam

[opaque coyote]

Turned them into a shotgun

[languid meadow]

I don't want a shotgun

[crystal forum]

yeah lol anti crowd weapons

[queen laurel]

You mean the super shotgun interpretation?

It seems to be the game standard nowadays

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/elysians-with-lascutters-v0-4mb5pt9a6orc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=0545d21ce60b57ce362c8cd7dae89cf86b92243d

[languid meadow]

no

[crystal forum]

they could have added a shotgun

[queen laurel]

If it's a warhammer shooter game your malta must be crowd control

[arctic talon]

Also this version

[languid meadow]

in rogue trader they have both versions

[arctic talon]

Of the Las cutter

[queen laurel]

Yes

[arctic talon]

From the elysians

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I was thinking that if a Melta was added into Darktide

I was thinking of it basically being a slug shotgun.

Still better close range, but is still reliable at longer ranges

[spring cairn]

you mean melta ?

[dusk patrol]

It’s basically only the wide beam version in RT

[languid meadow]

yeah unlike space marine which has only ONE

[spring cairn]

isn't that a tank buster weapon tho

[queen laurel]

Yes

[queen laurel]

It is

[spring cairn]

cqc tank buster

[queen laurel]

It's a blow torch that apparently imitates a supernova

Reaction inside of it to fire the laser

[dusk patrol]

Also frankly speaking the multimelta is accurate

[spring cairn]

i mean sure you can shoot it at a crowd for great effect

but if you shoot it at armor

[dusk patrol]

That shits just a huge blast

[spring cairn]

it's even better

[crystal forum]

it's a single target weapon

[opaque coyote]

Literally shooting a beam of a supernova at your enemies

Brilliant

[dusk patrol]

Multi meltas punch huge holes in tanks

They’ve always had blast rules too

[languid meadow]

Normal meltas can take out tanks as well

[spring cairn]

yeah

all melta are AT iirc

[arctic talon]

Multi meltas having the tiny ass template

[dusk patrol]

That wasn’t what I talking about

[arctic talon]

Is so funny

[opaque coyote]

It would be funny if someone shot their Melta at a C'Tan shard. And they just ate it. Cause they used to eat star stuff after all

[arctic talon]

But yeah multi meltas have some like

[dusk patrol]

My point is MM have a big area they hit

[arctic talon]

Area of effect

[opaque coyote]

"Mmm delicious meal"

[plush mason]

i think i saw art of a space marine using one to burn a hole into the sarcophagus of a chaos dreadnaught

well more cut the whole left side of it off

[dusk patrol]

It was a multimelta

[opaque coyote]

"Hello, welcome to our cooking show. Today, we will be cooking a disgusting traitor"

[plush mason]

yeah that one

[dusk patrol]

Funny thing is he might be the loyalist

It’s Death Guard vs World Eaters

I think it’s Istvaan III art

[wraith quartz]

Then mag dump them

[crystal forum]

they dont

[fallen plaza]

Its the visions of heresy art

[dusk patrol]

They often have yes

[fallen plaza]

This is old, this was when HH was still a card game

[plush mason]

it still is, just a digital one :P

[spring cairn]

in that art deathguard already has the classic csm powerpack did they always have this

[opaque coyote]

The entirety of Istvaan was secretly Horus and the Emperor doing a Yu-Gi-Oh match

[languid meadow]

the bug power pack

[fallen plaza]

They always had it, anvilus pattern power pack made for voidbattles

Loyalist can use it back then too, but is was rarer

[crystal forum]

cant find blast effect in eradicators for 10th or 9th

[dusk patrol]

I’m talking older rules and for uh

The RPG games

[crystal forum]

also i thought hellblasters had blast effect but i was wrong apparently

only very heavy plasma weapons have blast

[dusk patrol]

They may have had it tbh

But got it removed

Blast can be

Problematic

[crystal forum]

i always imagine plasma as having blast effect

[dusk patrol]

Desolator moment

[dusk patrol]

Iirc it used to be when you overcharged it, it did

[crystal forum]

i can see why they removed that

[arctic talon]

Only cannons

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that was it

[crystal forum]

also melta weapons didnt have special melta rules in 9th, huh

[arctic talon]

No guns did

8th and 9th didn’t have keywords

[crystal forum]

i like the fact that the closer you are to the target the better the melta is

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I like those kinda interactions

https://youtu.be/FaabWzmDprE?si=criifWNubIdMaHg1

This is the world the hair dryer melta users want

[crystal forum]

holy shit you werent kidding it's literally a hairdryer sound effect

[languid meadow]

yes

but no seriously

[dusk patrol]

It’s pretty lame yeah

[spring cairn]

eternal crusade

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[dusk patrol]

I’d be ok with the beam, I largely just want more of like a

Punch

One big blast

[languid meadow]

when I talk about the beam I think of the depiction of it being a single blast with a targeted beam

[dusk patrol]

Very poor choice of name….

[crystal forum]

i'd like it to be just a short beam that does a shit ton of damage in a straight line

[dusk patrol]

I’m happy with this depiction for this game

For other games I could see it being different

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it should be a cone

Starts off as a beam and then widens

[dusk patrol]

That’s basically what we have now

The hair dryer lovers would complain

[opaque coyote]

I am now imagining a C'Tan using a Melta as a hair dryer now

[crystal forum]

dont get why the pyreblaster isn't available to heavy

it's not like it was that OP

[dusk patrol]

They’ve said they’re working on adding it

It’s in the campaign obviously but it’s not meant for real use

[spring cairn]

imma be honest

the fire effects

[crystal forum]

it wasnt even that good on hard

[spring cairn]

kinda look like ass

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s not super well developed yet

[crystal forum]

i wonder if all they're waiting on is to get a gravis model for the flamer

[dusk patrol]

Which is why it’s not a gun yet

[crystal forum]

once again another gravis unit i'd kill to have on tabletop

where's my plasma gravis GW

devs made a whole special backpack that doesnt exist

[languid meadow]

you will get more LTs and you will like it

[spring cairn]

they should add the devastator squad's guns to sm2...

[crystal forum]

autocannon from suppressors

me want

would be a shame if all they add is skins

[languid meadow]

I mean we're getting a volkite weapon in either Nov or December

[dusk patrol]

Unironically yes

Desolator guns

https://tenor.com/view/larper-gigachad-titanfall2-viper-nowhere-to-cope-nowhere-to-seeth-gif-23018171

Let the nerds cope and seethe

I’ll be blasting Nids with automatic rockets

[languid meadow]

there are no chaos missions in space marine 2

[opaque coyote]

This is completely unrelated to anything

But honestly The Master in FO1 is my favorite voice acting performance in a video game

https://youtu.be/RaJ9RI1xDDU?si=6jbKBr983w7kAlid

"But it cannot be. This would mean that all my work has been for (nothing). Everything I've tried to... A FAILURE. It can't be. BE. (be.) be..."

[surreal nest]

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about Chaos but surely this statement from a Space Marine 2 Dev is really stupid right

"There are many lore restrictions preventing us from doing this (For instance: We cannot make a sniper with a World Eater armor)"

Isn't like a stupid reddit meme that every world eater is a crazy melee obsessed fiend?

[tough haven]

I mean, I think they can have pistols

But I think they shun ranged combat unless absolutely necessary, they find it dishonors khorne, maybe one that isn’t apart of a warband

[dusk patrol]

It’s largely an excuse more than being impossible in lore

[surreal nest]

I don't think khorne cares how you kill people im gonna be honest

[tough haven]

But I think the less favored members of khorne followers would use sniper rifles

[dusk patrol]

GW could have told them to keep to the general archetypes or they may have chosen to

Either way

[tough haven]

Like mortals

[snow fern]

So is Chaos side just stuck with their preset armors?

[dusk patrol]

They’re stuck with the legions

[surreal nest]

the worldeaters have tanks and vehicles don't they?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[surreal nest]

I don't see that as any different than using a bolt rifle

[surreal nest]

Makes sense

[dusk patrol]

Theyre gonna add more armor but stick with the theme

[leaden pilot]

I think It's better that way tbh

[snow fern]

There's entire traitor guard legions using guns, Khorne's melee only schtick is old

[dusk patrol]

It’s probably a gameplay decision and a “don’t rock the boat” with lore thing

[tough haven]

Traitor guard though

[surreal nest]

I defo do as well but a space marine 2 dev using reddit memes to base their lore off is crazy to me

[dusk patrol]

They mentioned wanted consistent silhouettes for characters

[winter vessel]

Emperor's Children skin for Vanguard class

[snow fern]

dedicated to khorne, not just the mobein 6th

[tough haven]

I think most marines of khornes are still very melee focus due to the visceral nature of it

I think they used ranged

But as a think to kill people while you are getting closer to hit them with your axe

[languid meadow]

yeah HH era WE used guns but modern world eaters are all either exclusively melee or a hybrid with a pistol

[dusk patrol]

They’re adhering to the general vibe for each ultimately

[surreal nest]

That's major cap

[dusk patrol]

Yes there can be WE snipers and devastators but for a wide appeal game like this they’re not gonna muddy the waters

GW doesn’t want other companies doing that stuff, they prefer to keep it simple

[snow fern]

The Blood Pact even employs psykers, the "Gore Mages"

[tough haven]

Yeah they exist, it’s just rare

[dusk patrol]

If it was a game about chaos marines it might be different

But it’s not so

They’re keeping it simple

[tough haven]

Yeah and they’re cool as hell for it

[dusk patrol]

And likely the devs don’t wanna do it either

For simplicity

[languid meadow]

You can call cap all you like but official depictions of world eaters in both books and models show them like this, the only reason the berserker is using a more ranged weapons in SM2 is because they don't have a dedicated melee class to fit it, as bulwark is taken by death guard.

they're either full melee or a one melee and a sidearm

[surreal nest]

Going entirely off of models is a crazy way to discuss lore

we just established that they use more than pistols and have tanks

also going off of models their codex supports terminators that use combi-bolters

[dusk patrol]

We have more of Devastator World Eaters and artillery guys too as well as zen ones

It’s not a hard lore rule

[winter vessel]

I love the bottom middle riding the bull

[dusk patrol]

It’s GW and likely Saber wanting to keep it simple

GW didn’t let Fatshark do female Ogryns for example despite them existing

Because GW doesn’t want these companies making new stuff like that or whatever largely

[near wasp]

They just didn't want me naming a female ogryn bertha

[dusk patrol]

Whether it’s GW not letting to happen or the company using it as an excuse

[languid meadow]

Im not just basing it off of models tho, official art depicts them being mostly what I described, yes ok there is ranged WE but lets not pretend they're the majority

[dusk patrol]

Either way it’s keeping it simple

[surreal nest]

Nobody said majority we literally just said it's not a lore impossibility

[dusk patrol]

No one ever said they were

[storm jungle]

Its basically just GW being an ass/overprotective.

they do this with Darktide too, its dumb shit

but with Sabre as eternal said i wouldnt be surprised if its also just excuses

[winter vessel]

think they should be more Laxed with their IP?

[surreal nest]

I believe it and their full blog post explained it better but this line just validates reddit lore which lowkey annoys me

[dusk patrol]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather the keep doing what they’re doing

[storm jungle]

It restricts a lot of fun stuff from being added to games.

[dusk patrol]

Since it’s fucking working

As opposed to before

Where they didn’t care at all

[storm jungle]

I mean they still dont

lmao

this is a big budget game, its why its so closely watched

[near wasp]

They should just let us customize the blitz and bobs of our traitors

[dusk patrol]

They’ve completely flipped how they deal with stuff like that for games, even mobile ones, in recent years

[near wasp]

I want to put spikes where I want them

[dusk patrol]

And it’s been for the better

[winter vessel]

Tacticus, idk why they even let that be released

[near wasp]

Me on taticus rn

[storm jungle]

But basically yeah them being too protective stops from more unique stuff being added to the game, especially even more basic features, their defenses for them are also very dumb.

With Darktide as a tester im still under NDA but SM2 gives a good showcase of how many stuff they actually stop from being added that would actually be great.

[snow fern]

I'm suprised Doom came out with a skull shooting woodchipper gun before 40k did

[storm jungle]

You really dont know how bad it is until you see what they say "no" to, its peak braindead and incel nonsense.

[storm jungle]

Flipflop creativity does that usually 😔

[languid meadow]

khorne has fallen

billions must use magic

[surreal nest]

and waste the imperium's precious decorations?

[near wasp]

And make khornes throne smaller?

[dusk patrol]

Not how it works

[winter vessel]

yeah, there is room for additional features that can propel its popularity even more, if they didn't hold the leash so hard

[tough haven]

The blood pact is khornate yes but they are also considered largely an anomaly among other cultists

[storm jungle]

Yeah again never think GW is being a "considerate" company thats protecting the lore, its dumb shit and excuses all the wya down.

They will do this and still let shitty games through the net

[dusk patrol]

They don’t care, they want it to be like it is

They do that by keeping a tight leash

[snow fern]

I get they're considered a unique fighting force, but the blood pact even existed without Khorne throwing a tantrum shows a lot a of leeway

[storm jungle]

ı mean

Bloodpact came at a time when traitor guard was literally non-existant

its why they get leeway, we are kinda past that point

[snow fern]

I guess, maybe more than anything I'm annoyed with Khorne's whole gimmick, like I want to like blood and fire and angry demons, but if you've ever played a Skarbrand campaign in TWW3, it's pretty 1 dimensional

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

khorne is just generic Doom daemons

[snow fern]

Like fuck, give them a damn sawed off or something

[storm jungle]

There can be depth but you arent gonna get much

[winter vessel]

vanilla chaos god

[storm jungle]

AoS is a great showcase of how unique you can also get with chaos gods

like the fucking uh

Khorne Furry dudes

who just worship bloodhounds

[dusk patrol]

You don’t have to like it, but when it’s not supposed to have much depth

[storm jungle]

its amazing

[arctic talon]

They’re turning into dogs

Lol

[snow fern]

Well like the tyrannids are pretty 1 note too, but at least they ain't melee only

[storm jungle]

They aren't either.

[dusk patrol]

Khorne isn’t

[storm jungle]

People see all these on the surface.

[arctic talon]

World eaters aren’t melee only

[dusk patrol]

Like mfer

[arctic talon]

In old world

[dusk patrol]

The fucking vanguard

[arctic talon]

Uh

[dusk patrol]

Is the Khorne guy

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

He’s got a gun

They have artillery

They just prefer melee combat generally

[arctic talon]

You have the axe thrower dudes

[tough haven]

It’s just more satisfying

[dusk patrol]

It’s where they do best and are most alive

[arctic talon]

But warriors of chaos were super melee focused

Lol

[storm jungle]

This largely is mostly GW's fault so I get it. Their surface presentation is simple so dumb teenagers and kids get them because "cool red daemon with flaming sword."

They all got depth, some more than others, but they still got stuff to see/be awed by.

[arctic talon]

Same with daemons

Daemons were also super melee focused

[languid meadow]

well besides Chaos dwarf artillery they used

[dusk patrol]

Khorne is also simple as a god because of what it reduces you to

[arctic talon]

They don’t get that

[dusk patrol]

It basically makes people animals

[arctic talon]

That’s for chorfs only in whfb

[tough haven]

Bro has gotta have neck pain

[dusk patrol]

Violent animals

[tough haven]

Aren’t some like really honor bound or has that been done away with

[dusk patrol]

They can choose to be

Some are also like, zen masters

But it’s just another way to get the same goal

[tough haven]

I think they’ve been making chaos more completely unredeemable lately

[storm jungle]

I mean

[near wasp]

Just don't stab people in the back, challenge them to a duel

[storm jungle]

Chaos is unredeemable

[tough haven]

Not that it isn’t unredeemable

[snow fern]

There are chill khornate?

[dusk patrol]

Chaos has always been that in 40k largely and in general

[storm jungle]

Slaves to Darkness™️

[arctic talon]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

It’s not supposed to have good traits

[arctic talon]

At least until they uh

You know

[dusk patrol]

It corrupts

[arctic talon]

Start fighting

[tough haven]

But they don’t gotta make it so blatant, lie to us like you do to the followers

[arctic talon]

World eaters literally have some of the best chaos apothecaries lol

[storm jungle]

40k is a wide setting with the depth of a puddle

dont expect too much from it

[snow fern]

the chaos faction is literally called slaves to darkness

[near wasp]

Ok inquistor

[arctic talon]

Ngl

I wish they weren’t called slaves to darkness lol

The abbreviation blows

[snow fern]

I think Warriors of Chaos is a better name

[near wasp]

You tied you shoes in a different order and now you have feather peaking out from your armpit

[tough haven]

Like chaos is the one faction I literally couldn’t see siding with, I can’t even write characters for it

[near wasp]

Got an issue with the STDs

[tough haven]

Cause I can’t even get into the headspace

[snow fern]

A lot of people who fall to chaos don't intend to

[arctic talon]

STDs suck as an abbreviation

Same with slaves

[near wasp]

Something something space aids

[tough haven]

Like I get that it’s better™️ than the imperium

But like also

I cannot vibe with it

[arctic talon]

Embrace chaos

Become evil

[snow fern]

Chaos is the "devil's offer" they show up at your lowest with an offer to fix everything, make it all better, just to bind your soul in chains

[near wasp]

Already evil try again

[dusk patrol]

Like they have mobile artillery

[arctic talon]

Become eviler

[tough haven]

It would be better if they thought they were serving some larger better goal, like to replace the imperium with a “better” system which I know some do, but most are like “yeah, we’re gonna torture and exterminate all life”

[snow fern]

Invent the puppy kicker 9000, it only requires the blood of 400 mewling orphans instead of 500 like the last model

[dusk patrol]

Some think they are

[arctic talon]

okay but most of the chaos followers

are literally

the worst of the worst for the tabletop

[dusk patrol]

Like there’s a million motivations

[arctic talon]

chaos is chaotic

[languid meadow]

In WHFB 8th WoC could take Hellcannons which are chorf artillery

[arctic talon]

wait they could

what the fuck

[dusk patrol]

Also there’s often a case of

Starting out trying to do stuff

And becoming corrupted along the way

Khorne especially has people lose themselves

[near wasp]

Ok then I'll use my foresight, you will stub you toe and fall into the arms of a lass who you'll fall in love with go happy for a few years then one day you'll discover her having an affair with the vox caster who in a blind rage you'll kill. Then you'll be forced to dedicate your life to khornes. This reading costs 9990$

[tough haven]

A part of me doesn’t like how unwilling chaos is, it seems like cheap writing, like “oh yeah they don’t get a choice” but CSM gets 8 books on their arc as to why they choose chaos

[languid meadow]

yeah it was added in 7th I believe

[dusk patrol]

It’s both

[languid meadow]

before that WoC had like one ranged unit

[dusk patrol]

Also some of it’s cope on their part

[snow fern]

There's also some like Egramm van Horstmann, who wanted revenge and in the end got told serve or die by Chaos

[tough haven]

True

[dusk patrol]

They’re broken people who have gaslit themselves into thinking they chose this

[tough haven]

But on one hand, chaos tends to be fairly egalitarian and genuinely works by merit

So i guess it gives people a feeling of agency

[opaque coyote]

Bro those fucking adornments on his helmet are bigger than his pauldrons

[dusk patrol]

Like when we see a daemon prince ascend in one book, it’s partially horrifying because he basically experiences identity death

[opaque coyote]

How does this motherfucker even WALK

[dusk patrol]

Hes a big guy

[opaque coyote]

Bro literally has a weight on the sides of his head

[languid meadow]

well he doesn't anymore since he's fucking dead

[tough haven]

But in the other, you can do everything right just like daemon prince jerry over there and then your patron goes Boom chaos spawn because fuck you lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[opaque coyote]

Also I am genuinely unsure on whether the skull is his helmet

His actual skull

Or both

[dusk patrol]

It’s fucked up

[tough haven]

You got the excerpt for that?

[dusk patrol]

No it’s from Fall of Cadia

[tough haven]

Dang

[opaque coyote]

Again, I believe if we ever get a game where it's the POV of a CSM or whatever.

It has to be rogue like

[tough haven]

Actually would be peak

[opaque coyote]

The reason why is simple. It would imitate the blessings that the Chaos Gods would give

[near wasp]

That'd be cool

[tough haven]

But I don’t think it should be CSM

[opaque coyote]

Either it would actually be beneficial

Or total dogshit

[near wasp]

You go through a level committing war crimes and you get blessing based on your actions it'd be awesome

[opaque coyote]

True. Maybe a regular cult?

Whatever the case. I think that blessings by the Gods would be how you get buffs and debuffs.

There should also be a mutation stat

[tough haven]

Actually

I have a plan

[green loom]

Did I just hear "Fuck" in the Tithes episode

[tough haven]

It would be playing a different random chaos cultist each time

[dusk patrol]

Karkin hell

[languid meadow]

This would be too long to Copy and paste but here it is

[tough haven]

Spin the wheel, see if you get a horrible fate

[opaque coyote]

Some blessings should have a chance to give you a mutation. The more powerful it is, the higher the chance of one. There should be a limit to how many mutations you can get.

If you go over the cap, you become a Chaos Spawn and you have to start a new character

[tough haven]

Chaos is something you gotta keep at arms length to benefit the most from

Not sure how you do that though

[near wasp]

So maybe it's a game of managing blessings till the end of the game when you get to ascend

[opaque coyote]

You can do it for a while. But eventually you'll either become a daemon prince, die, or become a Chaos Spawn.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah pretty much

Also I figure that if you complete a run, you can actually summon your previous character as a daemon prince in the next run

Continuity

[near wasp]

Can't wait to summon fartsniffer the constant

[green loom]

This is vibing more and more like clone wars ngl

[near wasp]

(I am a mature adult)

[tough haven]

A semi perma death roguelikes would be peak

Idk how you pitch shit to GW or game companies but we gotta get on this

[opaque coyote]

"ARISE FROM THE WARP. BREAK THE CHAINS OF REALITY AND LET THE GALAXY BURN.

BRING US DOOM!

SEXMASTER69!"

[tough haven]

It’s gotta be like maddeningly difficult though

You gotta get incredibly lucky

Like near impossible completionist achievement

[opaque coyote]

Or have some way to carry over some permanent upgrades by past characters

[near wasp]

Maybe bloodline traits?

[tough haven]

Kill them to take it

They’ll be all mutated and fucked up and you’ll be tasked to kill them as a trial

[opaque coyote]

Actually that would be sick.

You encounter your character as a Chaos spawn

[near wasp]

Do we name this "the great game"

[opaque coyote]

Yessss

[tough haven]

Yes!

No but fr how does someone pitch this concept

[opaque coyote]

"The final boss will be a helmetless SM"

[tough haven]

I don’t know the prices

[opaque coyote]

[tough haven]

Peak

Really make the player feel the cope

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside. I would imagine there would be different endings.

If you have below a certain amount of blessings. You simply become a Chaos Lord

Like Huron Blackheart

If you are at the right amount of blessings and mutations

Daemon Prince

If you have too many blessings when you reach the end.

Chaos Spawn

[storm jungle]

Okay so watched the tithes episode

finally seeing valks make atmospheric entry

[tough haven]

It’s out?

[near wasp]

Could you try to remove blessings by cutting them off

But it'd only give a chance to remove it

[tough haven]

Ok but it should be like a random constantly changing threshold so you don’t know what tf to do

[opaque coyote]

They usually Regen since it's basically a part of you now.

Also some "blessings" include shit like

Literally having your armor fuse to your skin

[winter vessel]

This is the guardsman centric episode right?

[tough haven]

Are we getting a continuation of episode one or was that it’s conclusion?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[near wasp]

Get me a fillet knife and we'll see how fused it is

[tough haven]

Molecular level

[near wasp]

Who needs skin

[winter vessel]

Awesome

[near wasp]

The demoncilabua people didn't have it

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah if that's a blessing it'd probably be like

Trade off some max HP for extra armor and agility

[green loom]

Immense fanciness

Also again are you getting clone wars vibes from this at all

[storm jungle]

Dude i was gonna say

the kasrkin legit all sound like clones

its super close, might be the voice filter

[green loom]

I think it's the filter in general

And the way some of the vehicles are moving

I wonder if they have any former Disney/Lucasfilms animators on hand

[storm jungle]

Yeah same its giving me a lot of early clone wars vibes

[languid meadow]

Episode was pretty good

[winter vessel]

Gennedy Tartakovsky vibes?

[storm jungle]

the tv show i meant

also

holy shit this looks like Toy Story with these proportions

[languid meadow]

Really enjoyed the commissar and how || the grimness doesn't come from the war on the planet and just the munitorim being a bureaucratic hell hole ||

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/when-society-joker-movie-joaquin-phoenix-gif-25184211

[winter vessel]

Just like my uncle’s experience in the military.

[dusk patrol]

What if, man is the real monster?

[languid meadow]

Hrrmmm society

[winter vessel]

He looks like a grimdark Joe Rogan

[languid meadow]

he does kind of look like that

also the hotshot sound is awesome

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-karl-urban-judge-dredd-i-said-hot-shot-gif-4959681

[storm jungle]

Very good episode to slap people with as usual id say

cant wait for them to go

"HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO THOSE GUARDSMEN, WTF GRIMDERP"

[dusk patrol]

OMG GUYS THIS 40K STORY ENDED SAD

Tbh though it would be nice if they mixed it up a bit with like

One or two nicer endings lol

Subvert expectations

[storm jungle]

Eh I like, though i dont expect much after seeing people being shocked by how Brutus acted as an ultramarine

[storm jungle]

Still cannot top Pariah Nexus

that kid getting shot made me laugh like a psycho for weeks 💀

[dusk patrol]

Yes they can, and they should endeavor to

[storm jungle]

More children death?

[languid meadow]

yes

[storm jungle]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

A whole orphanage

[near wasp]

Yay

[dusk patrol]

Of disabled and cancer stricken kids

[languid meadow]

let child murderdeath loose

(angron)

[storm jungle]

whole chat went Sundowner 😩

[near wasp]

That's just a nurgle cult it's fineeeeee

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/good-old-days-sundowner-sundowner-mgr-mgr-metal-gear-rising-gif-25009322

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/sundowner-metal-gear-hola-metal-mgr-metal-gear-gif-25500978

[languid meadow]

ork mech boys on top again

I love the goofy cap he has on

[storm jungle]

the Kommandos were legit scary tbh

[languid meadow]

I do hope they continue to use this animation style

[storm jungle]

I love how they had to make the one with the fucking cap violently crush someone to death again

💀

[languid meadow]

it's power claw tradition

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1209992971328422038/ezgif-4-426ea296ec.mp4?ex=66ebff84&is=66eaae04&hm=cedd461524fd8cc811e5f793feb34200c7fb25e8d5d78673ba19e3922c720b67&

[languid meadow]

lol

[arctic talon]

Accurate to my killteam games tbh

[storm jungle]

Damn cant believe they copied most customer support messages just like IRL

40k is so satirical its nuts!

[languid meadow]

have you tried turning it off and on again

[storm jungle]

I legit hate how much as people meme that as a reply it sometimes legit works lol

[languid meadow]

had it work for like internet

never anything substantial

[near wasp]

I just like being evil, because I can't irl

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I can barely be evil in most games

[near wasp]

Don't look at how many hours I have in arma 3 or rimworld

[languid meadow]

swtor is like the only exception I make to being evil since it's hilarious

[storm jungle]

yeah this

when its hilarious like in telltale games i also do it

because its mostly dumb, goofy and the choice largely doesnt matter

[winter vessel]

My Sith warrior delivers so much sass with the sarcasm option, lol

[near wasp]

I'm a decent enough human being irl but I don't have to worry about my pesky feelings or reality when I play games.

[languid meadow]

as an inky you can literally say cope to your master when they ask for help

[winter vessel]

I still chuckle at the Darth Baras jokes

[languid meadow]

This shit is peak

[storm jungle]

ME

[near wasp]

Huh oh dilaras upset at me. Guess I have to go get penance by reading another dawn of fire book

[storm jungle]

noooOO DONT DO THAT

[near wasp]

I plan on finishing it.

But maybe a delder book first

[green loom]

Fuck???? In my warhammer???/

[storm jungle]

3 fucks in 1 episode

[near wasp]

Either deldar or gaunts ghosts idk yet still on great work

[viral halo]

Born to shit forced to wipe

[hallow saddle]

watching the new Tithes ep

[green loom]

Yes

[languid meadow]

Jokaero my beloved

[red anvil]

The Imperium suicide squad shouldn’t be able to kill a Demonhost

[snow fern]

daemonhosts vary wildly in power

[storm jungle]

Cope.

🗿

[red anvil]

What’s your favorite?

[sand bloom]

so be accurate to your own fluff and just die to them.

[red anvil]

Ogryn shield

[sand bloom]

but the host doesn't actually die, it vanishes back to the warp.

or somewhere else

[sand bloom]

#40k-lore-chat message

[dusk patrol]

Nemesis

They got some fun lore

War crime chapter

[crystal forum]

crimson fists is the only one in that list that matters

also chapter master pedro

[storm jungle]

Minotaurs, they are like Marines Malevolent but actually got a budget.

[winter vessel]

Crimson Fists, they're nice, but not over the top like the Salamanders, but still show more humanity than the majority of well known chapters. and I also like reading Rynn's World

[spring cairn]

state funded terrorism

[dusk patrol]

Those are the White Minotaurs

You fake fan

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[dusk patrol]

Or the Brazen ones

None are the cool ones though

[storm jungle]

What fucking twat decided to give them the almost literal same scheme

[dusk patrol]

It’s hilarious isn’t it?

There’s no way the Minotaurs don’t give these guys swirlies

And shove them in lockers

[winter vessel]

Minotaurs pull up in their Battle Barge to beat the crap out of their allies with Asterion Moloc playing "Damn!" by YoungBloodZ

[storm jungle]

Like AT LEAST with black scheme/white trim chapters they use actual recognizable iconography

with Minos its all a fucking bull (evne if the main Minos got the best logo)

[green loom]

Of these?

Crimson Fists/Hospitallers(because they're apparently really weird)

[winter vessel]

the CF are weird to you?

[crystal forum]

not to be confused with the minotaurs who will punch your skull in for dissing the high lords of terra

[opaque coyote]

Nah they just sell off some of the lesser shit they steal like it's Skyrim or Fallout

"Okay, we don't need another Thunder Hammer...

I wonder if the Iron Hands will pay for it."

And then they keep the actual good shit

Like relatively non destroyed PA, weapons, etc.

[soft thunder]

So just watched the first 2 Tithes, are those marines in both firstborn or primaris? The armor looks like firstborn, but the helmet look primaris. Maybe I'm uninformed.

[storm jungle]

all primaris

some use firstborn equipment

[arctic talon]

Prolly primaris

[viral halo]

Firstborn? Never heard of them

[arctic talon]

They’re using a mix of primaris and firstborn gear

For the guys in the second episode

[viral halo]

Your children will grow up in a primaris only world

They will ask why the chaos marines are shorter than primaris

[arctic talon]

First episode Brutus has a narthicum

[soft thunder]

So are primaris not taller than firstborn marine in lore?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are

but its like 1-2 inches lol

[arctic talon]

A little bit

It varies marine to marine

But if a firstborn gets turned to a primaris he’ll be taller

[soft thunder]

also, are firstborn just getting rubricked en masse?

[arctic talon]

No?

The rubric process only happens to thousand sons

[viral halo]

I think they meant rubicon

[arctic talon]

Oh

No

[viral halo]

It's voluntary

[soft thunder]

or uh crossing the rubicon or w/e it is

[arctic talon]

Crossing the rubicon isn’t done unless it needs to happen generally

[viral halo]

I need to see more primaris with firstborn gear

Mk X helmet sucks

[storm jungle]

Better get used to it bitchboy

BUY THEM ALL WITH YOUR COINS

[snow fern]

So are they sidelining firstborn forever?

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

basically the plan is

Phase them out completely both in the lore and IRL because primaris are the new deal

Keep more discontent fans happy by including some kits like Veterans with firstborn parts

lol

[snow fern]

So when's primaris 2 then?

[storm jungle]

Never happening.

Primaris' entire idea was upscaling marines to be their truer self, everything else was just a safe rebranding, people complained yet still buy em in droves; thus it was the smart investment.

[arctic talon]

I mean lore wise there’s no point in making more firstborn

Primaris are an objective improvement

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

It’s what the emperor would have done with marines originally

If the primarchs didn’t get kidnapped

[snow fern]

I guess the question is why primaris were written into the setting originally?

[storm jungle]

What i said

resizing

and rebranding

[arctic talon]

To sell new plastic

[storm jungle]

^

You gotta give GW credit like, they really did all in their power to phase out Firstborn as effectively as possible lol.

[arctic talon]

Imo they didn’t need to

But like meh

[storm jungle]

Yeah agreed

but again it worked

unfortunately

[arctic talon]

The cats out of the bag now

The new scale for marines is much better

[storm jungle]

Yeah and like i said people buy em in thousands.

[snow fern]

There like a summary somewhere to read about the differences between the 2?

[storm jungle]

Lexicanum

hold on

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primaris_Space_Marines

just go down to Biology

its basically that + equipment and thats literally it

[arctic talon]

Tbh the equipment of primaris is like

Super interchangeable with firstborn

And lore primaris don’t operate like tabletop ones

Thank fucking god

[snow fern]

big boys v2

ty for the link

[storm jungle]

But yeah as we said literally it lol

they tried to patch everything else with lore but what you came to conclusion-wise yourself is the gist of it

[arctic talon]

Thank you chaos

[outer wave]

The fate of a human slave that a Word Bearer found had potential for something greater

[wintry scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuKLyTgKV0 1:05 Based and red pilled marine on the left.

[storm jungle]

This is the loife, noffin betah

[crystal forum]

i am being reduced to a shrivelled husk by my desire to finish my model for october

[hallow plover]

I believe in you. (What model?)

I need to prime and paint my defiler but there are gaps and I have no motivation nor time

[crystal forum]

god NO

i need to phrase my words better

i meant 3d modelling

but i ALSO have to do minis

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1270805804949180517/1286096900394582038/image.png?ex=66ecaa93&is=66eb5913&hm=613abe0fe77b3d1bd4ac6a19380d348cdf21a3af982848757eb3cfee6b13a38b&

me and zimmer working on something together

weirdest server teamup

[green loom]

I should turn these into a series NGL

[crystal forum]

this is art tide now

[green loom]

Smarftide

[viral halo]

@dusk patrol did you watch the talk tuah podcast

[green loom]

Oh god

[outer wave]

"Mummy, I poo pooed on the Valkryie again."

[dusk patrol]

I have not

I’m saving it for when I meet the love of my life

You can only watch Talk Tuah with a girl for the first time once

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but do you think vehicles like the land raider and rhino will get an updated model or be removed from SM faction.

[arctic talon]

Updated

GW has kept them alive through the vehicle changes

Furthermore csm still need them

And GW loves dual purpose kits

An updated rhino chasis will come eventually

[crystal forum]

i really dont like repulsors

but i also dont enjoy assembling and painting tracks

why is oculus imperia so good

only lore channel i can even listen to

[crisp heath]

I like iysander and koda

Silly creatures

[near wasp]

im kinda glad i came into the hobby after primaris already existed so i never had to deal with this drama, all i know is primaris

[near wasp]

that are good, very easy to listen too while playing games

[soft thunder]

So has chaos gotten any scale update or model range changes in lore or retail models, like in response to all the primaris stuff or are they all firstborn 100%?

[thick cedar]

Apparently there needs to be up to 3 Guardsman per Psyker in a squad

so are we just straight up going "screw the rules, I have green hair" down in Atoma?

[crystal forum]

what

you are aware this isn't the astra militarum right

[opaque coyote]

We're rejects

We are basically cannon fodder

FOR THE FUCKING CANNON FODDER

[thick cedar]

I thought it was just a universal rule

[crystal forum]

says who

[thick cedar]

idunno

[opaque coyote]

Nope

[thick cedar]

just assumed it because of how the imperium is so sus of psykers

[fallen plaza]

https://youtu.be/jKSCrxh6OYY?si=wGPMUt1DwQyXwobv

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the reason why 3 guardsmen are always near sanctioned Psykers is so that if the Psyker accidentally slips up

And gets possessed by a Daemon

The Guardsmen could kill them before the Daemon fully takes their body

[soft thunder]

Are the Tertium SM statues primaris?

[dusk patrol]

Looks like it

Mk X looks like

[opaque coyote]

The artists having to spend 50 years to rechisel new SM statues

[arctic talon]

Yes, the current csm are Numarine scale

Which is used by all modern GW minis

GW’s new modified heroic scale

Is neat

[crystal forum]

im so in love with pre primarch legions

it's like they show what space marines could have been

volkite weaponry instead of bolters

just so weird

it's like a whole different setting

and you can fanfic literally anything about it since there's barely any lore

[opaque coyote]

Honestly kinda hope that Volkite kinda returns somewhat

Cause Volkite is just a cool idea

I mean they essentially have portable heat rays from War of the Worlds

What's not to love?

https://tenor.com/view/alien-attack-war-of-the-worlds-martians-gif-16120619

[languid meadow]

I mean it kind of is?

just rare as fuck and expensive to make

[arctic talon]

They were using bolters by the time the great crusade was off

[languid meadow]

or they can't even make it anymore

[arctic talon]

The mechanicum did some number crunching and realized it wasn’t possible

Not economically

To make that much volkite

[arctic talon]

Expensive, high maintenance

[crystal forum]

im still talking very very early

[arctic talon]

Like unification wars?

[opaque coyote]

Like "Just when they were off of Terra" level?

[arctic talon]

Or conquest of Sol

[languid meadow]

I think first tryannic war vets, stern guard, certain parts of the dark angels, and some other high tier groups get access to them

[crystal forum]

like right after unification

[arctic talon]

Volkites are mostly used by the mechanicus now

And rarely some marines and other rich people use them

[arctic talon]

So conquest of Sol

[crystal forum]

you know actually what fucks with me? how short the great crusades were

[arctic talon]

Then yeah they were using a mix of volkite and bolters primarily

[crystal forum]

the great crusade barely lasted 1 millenia right

[languid meadow]

300 ish years iirc

[crystal forum]

wait like 300 years

yeah

that's so short

[languid meadow]

the HH was like 20?

[queen laurel]

i love the fact that warhammer is one of the settings where you can say that 300 years is pretty short

[languid meadow]

nvm

it was 9

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[queen laurel]

but for an average fictional setting that's like pretty fucking long

[crystal forum]

my life is a lie

[languid meadow]

yeah the horus heresy was 9 years long

[crystal forum]

this is actually upsetting

[queen laurel]

Don't you like 30K why didn't you know how long the heresy lasted

[crystal forum]

the horus heresy lasted a year longer than barack obama was president

[languid meadow]

I mean the HH only being 9 years is a bit dumb but like

any longer and it would've been a little dumb

[crystal forum]

eisenhorn books literally skip 100 years

that's the 40k time scale im familiar with

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/timeywimey-dr-who-david-tennant-gif-7863239

[crystal forum]

i guess i need to rethink the HH

[celest dome]

So apparently that woke comment from the Saber ceo was made by an imposter

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/pL4TnhdNTN

[fallen plaza]

9 years is fine

It's just 40k has rotted our sense of time

Like irl a lot of battles that last more than a decade are usually pretty boring

The current longest battle ever recorded is 700 years

[crystal forum]

that was the longest war

[fallen plaza]

781 years to be exact

[crystal forum]

finding an answer on longest battle is hard

the battle of the atlantic does NOT count like wtf

[rose thorn]

All these videos of dnd YouTubers describing Warhammer (mostly 40k) lore physically causes pain to pulse through my whole body

It’s not that new people are being encouraged to check it out it’s that this hot garbage content doenst know the lore and are piggy backing off a video game

I swear to god if I hear another 20 something dnd tiktoker say grim dark again

I think I will snap

[queen laurel]

game is popular you should check out the setting

Great more people that don't know about the lore accidentally not knowing any better

[rose thorn]

“So, you are telling me, warhammer is a grim dark setting where master chiefs are your basic soldiers and fight demons and aliens?”

This is the same level as irl grim dark slime

[queen laurel]

Yeah and then because of this people will come into the setting thinking they know anything but they're actually just surface level meme heads

[rose thorn]

Reddit needs to be destroyed

[opaque coyote]

grimdark

darkening in grim

yes

[queen laurel]

it's an unfortunate hilarious cycle

[sour hornet]

I loved Viper so much in TF2 that I bought the skin pack so I could cosplay his titan in multi-player.

[opaque coyote]

but if we get actual fans from it then i'm good

[sour hornet]

That is all.

[queen laurel]

yes a double edged sword really

[rose thorn]

“Did you know the good guys of 40k are communists???”

[opaque coyote]

Problem is that both edges are powered

[queen laurel]

yes

[fallen plaza]

It only takes a little bullying to harden them to real fans

[opaque coyote]

THEY HAVE A CASTE SYSTEM THEY ARE NOT COMMUNISTS IF I HEAR THAT ONE MORE TIME I WILL DISINTEGRATE THEM WITH A FUCKING RAILGU-

i mean

[queen laurel]

don't even get me started on the things

Did you know that orks have the power of imagination and can bend reality with belief?

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-gif-22246775

yes

[queen laurel]

for fucks sakes

[rose thorn]

[queen laurel]

it's been years

[rose thorn]

THEY BARELY FUCKING CAN ITS BULLSHIT AAAAA

[fallen plaza]

The emperor is actually fueled by the orks believing in him

[opaque coyote]

A good way to kinda explain it is that Orks don't really have reality bending

[fallen plaza]

[opaque coyote]

It's more like

[rose thorn]

The alpha legion are good guys???

[opaque coyote]

Reality Lubricant

[queen laurel]

it makes you really go RAAAAAAAAARRRGH

[queen laurel]

yeah it's basically reality duct tape that holds things together

[opaque coyote]

WAAAGGGHHH

[fallen plaza]

Ferrus manus gets no BITCHES and no HEAD

[rose thorn]

Also like, (I don’t watch doctor who I’m just basing this off YouTube shorts) doctor who is an arguably darker setting

Don’t ask me for proof

I can’t provide any

[queen laurel]

Do not even get into that specifics because warhammer fans will absolutely hound on you how this is the most OP setting or some shit

[sour hornet]

I mean, there are a lot of settings darker than 40k. It's nature as a TT setting means that none of the factions are going to get wiped out completely.

[fallen plaza]

Only tourist say that

[opaque coyote]

Don't know shit about Dr. who

It is 100% more OP than 40k but like

[fallen plaza]

The overpowered thing at least

[opaque coyote]

Eh

British man go in phone

Phone space time wiblly wobbly

Laugh

British man die

He now new man

Clap

[rose thorn]

[fallen plaza]

A Brit being the most powerful being in the universe? Unrealistic

[rose thorn]

Ilu genestelaer cults :3

Thanks for being the worst faction, Ilu so much

[sour hornet]

They say that "humanity is at risk of being destroyed at any moment" but you straight up know it's just not going to happen.

[opaque coyote]

40k and Dr Who are dark settings

That are literally made by British people

[queen laurel]

i unfortunately think they are the Beastmen of 40k

[rose thorn]

Except we get updates

[fallen plaza]

They aren't that bad

[opaque coyote]

I mean if humanity didn't get destroyed in the Age of Strife

Probably won't get destroyed now

Life will fucking suck a lot tho

Like even more than in the Imperium somehow

[queen laurel]

compared to other factions though? they are basically the beastmen for 40k it seems, they are just respected more

[opaque coyote]

Well not really somehow. We get details of how Terra was like pre unification

It was a...

[rose thorn]

The better comparison would be like,

[opaque coyote]

Not so fun place

[rose thorn]

Gloomspite maybe?

[queen laurel]

true

it's not for everyone but people who like it