#40k-lore-chat
opaque coyote
leaden pilot
It should be undivided
opaque coyote
"I watch Harem Animes for fun" type of fans
leaden pilot
Well, excluding Tzeentch
opaque coyote
gamers most of the time are the true definition of rage
Honestly the only time I did actually get angry and swear out on somebody is when I played Siege
That game probably has Khornate runes written all over it honestly
queen laurel
Honestly the only time I did actually get angry and swear out on somebody is whe...
League of legends probably is enough to power khorne
opaque coyote
I don't even remember what I said btw
queen laurel
For 10,000 years i bet
leaden pilot
That game probably has Khornate runes written all over it honestly
Any competetive games tbf
opaque coyote
I just remember approximately saying
"WTF are you doing you absolute idiot"
But with a lot more swears
And how braindented he is
I actually still regret it to this day
That guy did not deserve it
Despite being a shit player in terms of skill
languid meadow
Matchmaking putting lobotomites from new Vegas on my team
winter vessel
Matchmaking putting lobotomites from new Vegas on my team
they're all Malcom Holmes
opaque coyote
they're all Malcom Holmes
collects star bottle cap
man runs towards me
panic
The first time I met him. I actually got so startled that I literally shot him in the head
I thought he was a raider
It was on easy as well since I was like 8. So his head immediately turned into chunks
winter vessel
Speaking of New Vegas, I've been on a binge watch recently of Shoddycast's Fallout Lore series. Quite literally took a blow to my heart when I heard the man behind the Storyteller passed away a few days ago from cancer. He was the one that got me into and prepared me for the Fallout Universe
opaque coyote
Speaking of New Vegas, I've been on a binge watch recently of Shoddycast's Fallo...
Rest in peace.
May we finally get that story that was saved
For another day...
The storyteller series is genuinely one of my favorites
I still rewatch it to this day
Although I can tell that they were stretching when they went into FO4 lmao
It was awesome having the actual voice actress for Nora voice her in the series
outer wave
Speaking of New Vegas, I've been on a binge watch recently of Shoddycast's Fallo...
Dunno the guy nor the series, but RIP to him
winter vessel
Although I can tell that they were stretching when they went into FO4 lmao
It was a bit of struggle, but i think they managed to wrap things up nicely at the end. so great they got Courtney Taylor to speak in that
opaque coyote
It was a bit of struggle, but i think they managed to wrap things up nicely at t...
Also the fact that they also got many classic actors as well
They got Wes Johnson
winter vessel
My go-to source for Fallout Lore
seriously. like i'll be cooking myself dinner and people think "is he listening to music?" no. I'm learning about the history of the NCR and Nuka Cola
opaque coyote
AKA the guy who voiced most of the super mutants in FO3 and NC
winter vessel
that was nice.
opaque coyote
It was also cool to see the other parts of the states and wasteland
Also the fact that it included an NPC from FO2 as an old man traveling with the Ranger and Storyteller
Even got a
C A R
We need working cars in FO5
Although I hope that the newest Fallout isn't as disasterous as Starfield
winter vessel
I think it's pretty cool, that they managed to write in a character that in some aspects, not break canon too much, but enough to make his own adventure with various companions.
opaque coyote
I think it's pretty cool, that they managed to write in a character that in some...
Also the Luddites were a cool faction
Basically instead of hording tech like the BoS
Or trying to use it for good like the Followers of the Apocalypse
They're trying to destroy it
languid meadow
Basically instead of hording tech like the BoS
Interesting opinion you have..... Now hand over your laser rifle
opaque coyote
Interesting opinion you have..... Now hand over your laser rifle
A BoS Knight seeing a wastelander child finding a laser pistol on the ground:
winter vessel
man I just want the next fallout game bringing us back to the West coast. because I want to play as these "Born again Hard" Mfs one more time
opaque coyote
man I just want the next fallout game bringing us back to the West coast. becaus...
I mean Shady Sands was apparently nuked
...
Somehow
I hope the TV show is an alternative timeline tbh because that is lame
languid meadow
https://tenor.com/view/fallout-prime-video-bethesda-brotherhood-of-steel-power-a...
Seeing the fall of my fav faction is so depressing
opaque coyote
My favorite part about NV is that the world genuinely feels like it's moving away from the apocalypse
languid meadow
I loved their fo1 and 2 versions
languid meadow
Well fallout has many meanings
winter vessel
I mean Shady Sands was apparently nuked
granted that was a few years before the events of NV. There are still a number of other states like the Boneyard, Los Angeles, the Hub, and Dayglow, (don't know about Maxson) for their government to reestablish itself. Moldaver's group was most likely a splinter faction.
opaque coyote
Honestly if they ever release another Fallout.
Similar to 76, they should have it in the past
opaque coyote
granted that was a few years before the events of NV. There are still a number o...
Wait I thought the show takes place after NV
languid meadow
Humans will never change and seek conflict, unchecked hyper capitalism and over consumption will lead to worse things, you have to let go of the past and move forward
There's a lot
Notice how all of the societies in fallout are mainly based off of pre war civs
They never create anything of their own and are doomed to fail
opaque coyote
Humans will never change and seek conflict, unchecked hyper capitalism and over ...
True.
But part of its themes was simply that.
Humanity rebuilds even after the disaster.
winter vessel
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Idk, friend. Todd Howard's a total bitch who still mewed that he never got an award for Starfield.
opaque coyote
Idk, friend. Todd Howard's a total bitch who still mewed that he never got an aw...
Starfield moment
Also I know it's controversial
But FO1 getting a remake would be nice
If they really want to go back to explosions and all that crap
Keep the story the same. But the gameplay different
languid meadow
I mean I wouldn't mind larian taking a crack at the fallout universe
opaque coyote
And hopefully they don't retcon anythin-
But seriously though. A modern remake of FO1 where it's the traditional fallout gameplay but with the story of the original would be interesting
languid meadow
And hopefully they don't retcon anythin-
Fallout 1 stuff already gets contradicted by fo2 in some regards
Retcons have been a thing in the universe since forever
opaque coyote
Yeah ik
It's just that Bethesda seems to love doing it even when it's arguably not needed
Or just out of sheer laziness at times
winter vessel
I just hate the BOS now out of pure spite for the way Bethesda props em up as the salvation of the wasteland
opaque coyote
The X-01 suits in FO4.
Apparently the reason why they appear is because they were a prototype.
Fine I guess
But then they FUCKING PUT A SUIT OF IT IN NUKA WORLD. SHINING WITH PAINT AS A REWARD.
I honestly think it would've been interesting to have Enclave remnants in the East Coast.
Not the actual enclave
Just enclave remnants
languid meadow
They only did that in 3, in 4 and 76 you see their flaws right in front of you and it shows they're not the best faction for the future of the wasteland
opaque coyote
Like the occasional outpost
languid meadow
They have no will or want to govern
opaque coyote
They only did that in 3, in 4 and 76 you see their flaws right in front of you a...
Fo3's BoS is genuinely interesting to me honestly
I am not joking btw
languid meadow
I love the Lyons, fo1, and 2 brotherhoods so much
opaque coyote
Hell I also like the outcasts despite their severe lack of presence
Wish they done more with it
Fallout NV's brotherhood was interesting as well
In that they're essentially a shell of their former self
The world is advancing without them
And now even a suit of power armor isn't too big of a deal
The NCR has Tactics, it has supply lines, antimaterial rifles, etc.
Sure power armor is definitely 100% a huge advantage. But it doesn't make you all powerful against an actual organized force
languid meadow
People forget that the NCR has prewar shit like trains and railways that work
opaque coyote
And you can either help the BoS get with the times. Or make them become even more conservative and traditional
opaque coyote
People forget that the NCR has prewar shit like trains and railways that work
I also really want to see Legion remnants
winter vessel
They only did that in 3, in 4 and 76 you see their flaws right in front of you a...
I'd believe you, but then its Bethesda, they rushed Obsidian on NV for what could've been the peak of its Series. They'll do whatever they want with it. Hell they could say that the BOS started the Great war because they pretended to form out of Lost Hills, they actually planned it during the Resource wars, a "DONUT'S HOLE WITHIN A DONUT'S HOLE"
opaque coyote
Like the Legion had a good foothold in Denver due to the cyber dogs there
The Legion definitely still can exist
But scattered and warring with each other
Because Caesar probably died
Either due to the tumor or simply due to him being
Fucking old as fuck
winter vessel
"The caesar has marked you for death! and the legion obeys!"
opaque coyote
"oh cool free armor"
opaque coyote
"The caesar has marked you for death! and the legion obeys!"
I like the difference between the NCR and legion assassins tbh
winter vessel
"oh cool free armor"
more stuff for my Jury Rigging perk
opaque coyote
The NCR assassins give you a chance to
At least try to make some kind of amends to the point where they don't kill you
The Legion however?
opaque coyote
"The caesar has marked you for death! and the legion obeys!"
This
They basically just outright fucking attack you lmao
Shows the difference between the two factions very well
One at least tries to give you mercy before beginning to send assassins after you
The other just
Tries to kill you lmao
winter vessel
before the Fuckery that followed with the Fallout TV series, I was satisfied. don't get me wrong, i liked watching it and had a good story, felt like the actors weren't trying to platform themselves. but it was the fallout of the lore regarding a major faction that I love which caused it to be so messy
opaque coyote
before the Fuckery that followed with the Fallout TV series, I was satisfied. do...
Yeah the TV show is good character wise
But they essentially sort of muddied up the lore even further
opaque coyote
Shady sands however
A fucking crater
languid meadow
My only problem is that they moved shady sands to the boneyard
opaque coyote
My only problem is that they moved shady sands to the boneyard
Are you fucking serious
winter vessel
also wth kind of gear was moldaver's faction rocking? Didn't know they had acess to Ops-Core ballistic helmets, you couldn't find any M1 steel pot helmets as props?
opaque coyote
They didn't even get the location right
arctic talon
My only problem is that they moved shady sands to the boneyard
Isn’t that unclear?
It’s mostly since like
languid meadow
By the time SS gets nuked it's no longer the capital of the NCR
arctic talon
We don’t get a walking time
I just assumed
They were at where shady sands was
Not in the boneyard
They just walked for that long
arctic talon
also wth kind of gear was moldaver's faction rocking? Didn't know they had acess...
Considering the NCR seems to have withdrawn from that area they’re prolly using whatever the hell they can get their hands on
Also the prop budget was very low for the show
languid meadow
Also the prop budget was very low for the show
it was all spent on practical power armor and monsters
which is peak
opaque coyote
it was all spent on practical power armor and monsters
I admit the power armor looked damn good
I was like
"This cgi looks really good"
Found out it was practical
winter vessel
The ncr didn’t collapse tbf
my hope right here, there were still other states that AFAIK capable of reorganizing the Republic. It'd be a drag on the logistical aspect but they could still manage.
opaque coyote
Made the wojak face
languid meadow
yeah the mister handy was also practical, so was the gulper
opaque coyote
arctic talon
my hope right here, there were still other states that *AFAIK* capable of reorga...
No like explicitly it didn’t collapse via word of god
They’ve just pulled out of that area
opaque coyote
No like explicitly it didn’t collapse via word of god
All hail Todd Howard
arctic talon
Because they got nuked
opaque coyote
Also apparently Todd Howard was a fan of the original Fallout games
arctic talon
Not surprising?
languid meadow
I mean he brought the franchise from being dead in the water to what it is now
remember
BoS was the last fallout game before 3
opaque coyote
Not surprising?
Wouldn't fucking know judging by FO4's writing quality
But it is why Bethesda actually bought the fallout series from Interplay
winter vessel
They’ve just pulled out of that area
they just poorly explained this change, it's all i'm gonna say and i need to stop before I feel like I'm on a jet high and want to give Todd Howard a california curb stomp
arctic talon
languid meadow
the NCR and the legion were set up to fall from New vegas
opaque coyote
BoS was the last fallout game before 3
Yeah Interplay kinda messed up the series
It was nice having the original creators back for NV
But kinda wish they stayed
winter vessel
It was nice having the original creators back for NV
seeing Marcus again was cool, glad it turned out alright for him after FO2
opaque coyote
seeing Marcus again was cool, glad it turned out alright for him after FO2
Marcus is a cool guy
languid meadow
I mean the NCR is still around if injured and we haven't seen the legion yet
the legion has all of arizona and new mexico
opaque coyote
Also because of him, apparently we now know that Super Mutants can actually reproduce
But in his words
languid meadow
also Colorado iirc
opaque coyote
"It just takes a while for the juices to kick in
Which basically implies that after a period of time. Super Mutants can become fertile again
Of course it probably takes decades
winter vessel
I mean the NCR is still around if injured and we haven't seen the legion yet
most likely warbands at this point for the Legion, if Caesar ain't dead yet from the tumor in his head. Lanius would probably have the most in number due to his battle prowess but lacks the charisma
opaque coyote
So basically Super Mutants just have
A really bad case of erectile dysfunction that lasts for decades
Instead of being completely infertile
So I guess the Master was right all along?
languid meadow
still an L bozo on his part
opaque coyote
Eh probably not. It's still bad to have a species take 50+ years to start to reproduce
winter vessel
but it would be a true beauty if this legend were to appear in the TV Series.
opaque coyote
Since Marcus only mentions it in NV
Which means that he only found this out inbetween FO2 and NV.
And didn't find it out in-between FO1 and FO2
So it took him over a century to find this out
Yeah that's not good for reproduction rates. Especially in the wasteland
languid meadow
It's probably also only the west coast version of FEV that this can happen
winter vessel
but it would be a true beauty if this legend were to appear in the TV Series.
Keith Szarabajka could work it since its been like 10 years lore wise, course it'd be hard with the bandages all over him.
languid meadow
since the eastern version is unstable and horrible
opaque coyote
It's probably also only the west coast version of FEV that this can happen
That's probably also why the original FEV scientists concluded they were sterile.
Because they're not gonna fucking test for decades
opaque coyote
It's probably also only the west coast version of FEV that this can happen
Yeah I think the Master specifically made it so that only "pure" humans like from vaults can do it
And even then there are failure rates
With specific controlled processes to turn someone into a mutant
Meanwhile in FO3
The Mutants basically kidnapped random wastelanders and stuffed them in a room filled with FEV lmao
languid meadow
even from that intelligent mutants can be created but like fawks says they're on a timer until they go insane
opaque coyote
It's probably also only the west coast version of FEV that this can happen
It does make me wonder if the Institute version can.
Because despite it being lame lore wise. It does make me wonder that's why we see so many super mutants. Despite testing being over literally decades ago.
The Institute version of the FEV evolved so that the Mutants can...
Reproduce
languid meadow
No they can't that version completely removes all reproductive organs
opaque coyote
No they can't that version completely removes all reproductive organs
Oh
Damn that's lame
winter vessel
It does make me wonder if the Institute version can.
Because despite it being l...
oh no mercy for the Institute, it was on sight even after meeting Father
languid meadow
it has a higher success rate than the CW version but it's still worse than the west coast version
opaque coyote
it has a higher success rate than the CW version but it's still worse than the w...
Tbh the main reason why the west coast version was successful was specifically because the Master used mostly people from vaults to do it
They were the "cleanest"
languid meadow
the institute was using FEV to make humans immune to radiation but they did it in the worst way possible
opaque coyote
And even then, of course, it still had a failure rate
opaque coyote
the institute was using FEV to make humans immune to radiation but they did it i...
The Institute used FEV first
And then moved into synths
I think they realized
languid meadow
Synths were always a slave race to them
opaque coyote
"Oh shit FEV sucks, move onto robots instead"
opaque coyote
Synths were always a slave race to them
That doesn't make sense to me to be honest
Like I think it would make more sense if synths were made to sort of replace humanity.
languid meadow
and they continued to use FEV until recently then they gave up and just said fuck it we give up on the surface world
opaque coyote
Since they are mentioned to be immune to radiation
languid meadow
they also used super mutants to destabilize the commonwealths government
winter vessel
Like I think it would make more sense if synths were made to sort of replace hum...
i mean they kinda do that with regular wastelanders on a daily basis in the Commonwealth
opaque coyote
i mean they kinda do that with regular wastelanders on a daily basis in the Comm...
Yeah which makes me wonder why doesn't the institute turn themselves into synths
Why didn't Father put himself into a robot body
Like he's dying of cancer anyways, why not go for a synth body
opaque coyote
they also used super mutants to destabilize the commonwealths government
Nah I think they used synths to do thst
winter vessel
Why didn't Father put himself into a robot body
guess not everyone is as smart as they think they are in the Institute. Also the Raliroad was just a means to an end. they'd serve no purpose beyond the end of the Institute
languid meadow
Nah I think they used synths to do thst
they used both
opaque coyote
Lasered them and broke it up
languid meadow
they used synths to destroy the government and then used super mutants to keep them from reorganizing
opaque coyote
guess not everyone is as smart as they think they are in the Institute. Also the...
The Railroad should not have been a main faction
At all
They should've been a side one
opaque coyote
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1285399663348023306/T...
Might as well take a "friend" with you to hell after all
Probably better to die fighting than getting virus bombed anyways
winter vessel
They should've been a side one
yeah. I mean Garvey talks your damn ear off 24/7, but at least the Minutemen had goals beyond the Institute and the overall wellbeing of everyone in the Commonwealth. But the Raliroad? probably dissolve within a month after they freed every synth possible.
opaque coyote
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1285399663348023306/T...
Imagine the Legendary Halo cutscene with Sgt. Johnson but with a Tau and a Cadian
arctic talon
The railroad should have been a general anti slavery organization
Even if it’s even more tongue in cheek
opaque coyote
The railroad should have been a general anti slavery organization
Now that would've been interesting
arctic talon
It would feel like it has a proper reason to exist
opaque coyote
Slavery is a huge problem in the wasteland after all
The Capital Wasteland is proof of that
arctic talon
Have it so they’re focusing on synths because the institute has tech + they’re literally making slaves
winter vessel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1285399663348023306/T...
i swear i've seen this from something, but i can't remember what title it is
opaque coyote
Along with the Pitt
opaque coyote
So having an anti slavery faction makes sense
languid meadow
i swear i've seen this from something, but i can't remember what title it is
dog soldiers
arctic talon
Now you have laser guns to kill raiders and slavers with
opaque coyote
Now you have laser guns to kill raiders and slavers with
Also can I just mention that the institute laser guns kinda suck
winter vessel
they are weaker than the standard
opaque coyote
Gameplay wise yeah
I mean unless if you put them on auto
Since I think they generally have a faster fire rate
But in that case
JUST USE A GATLING LASER
opaque coyote
They’re also just huge
And also one of the stupidest looking designs ever
winter vessel
And take up your entire screen
know what else takes up your entire screen?
opaque coyote
Like it's not even the cool kind of stupid like Cyberpunk 2077's guns
They're just stupid
arctic talon
opaque coyote
Why did they change from the Fallout 3 assault rifle anyways
I mean it was basically a FAL
It looked fine
winter vessel
Ikr. Fuck even the guns you have in the Metro series look better than that overblown piece of trash
arctic talon
The fallout 4 AR was designed as an lmg
languid meadow
know what else takes up your entire screen?
this weapon was supposed to a heavy machine gun but they just got lazy and never finished the actual assault rifle
leaden pilot
know what else takes up your entire screen?
who thought that it was a good idea to mash up ww1 era machineguns, m249 and some unspecified parts and call it an assault rifle
opaque coyote
The fallout 4 AR was designed as an lmg
That is NOT AN LMG
languid meadow
I mean it was basically a FAL
it was a G3
opaque coyote
THAT IS NOT EVEN A GUN
arctic talon
It was meant to be a big gun
opaque coyote
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING AN ORK MADE WHILE HIGH
languid meadow
THAT IS NOT EVEN A GUN
it is actually
languid meadow
it's based off of the lewis gun
opaque coyote
it's based off of the lewis gun
Wasn't that in WW1
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/49685-ww1-trench-warfare-lewis-gif-13316258
That still looks better
languid meadow
Wasn't that in WW1
Yes and?
opaque coyote
Than the Fallout 4 ar
winter vessel
okay honest opinion. do you think the pipe guns make proper sense to use a ranged weapon?
languid meadow
we have WW2 weapons in new vegas and 3
arctic talon
languid meadow
okay honest opinion. do you think the pipe guns make proper sense to use a range...
for raiders or poor farmers yeah
but not like diamond city
arctic talon
okay honest opinion. do you think the pipe guns make proper sense to use a range...
Imo I like pipe guns conceptually
They’re just ugly as shit and weird
Base them on real pipe guns
Please lol
languid meadow
the pip gun remodel mods go hard asf
opaque coyote
we have WW2 weapons in new vegas and 3
I mean that (kinda) makes sense because culture kinda stopped in the 1950's-1960's
winter vessel
but not like diamond city
they call that a city? The retail store i work at is bigger than that stadium
opaque coyote
Although fallout also had like
Modern guns in the old games
And to be honest. Kinda wish we had those but Falloutified
I think the fallout show literally just has a Deagle with stupid shit added to it
Like just have that
The service rifle is based on the AR-10
languid meadow
it also has the OG 10m design from the first game
opaque coyote
Ffs
gray umbra
Fo4 gun design blows
opaque coyote
it also has the OG 10m design from the first game
I wish we got the old laser weapons back.
It was nice seeing the old plasma guns in Fallout NV as the Plasma Caster
languid meadow
opaque coyote
Quite fun to use too
languid meadow
leaden pilot
Fo4 gun design blows
Bethesda gun design mostly blows from what I've seen
winter vessel
i downloaded a mod in FO4 that replaced all vanillla "assault rifles" with the FN FAL. Like I literally deleted any copy of the beluga gun from existence.
languid meadow
the thing is
the show makes it very clear that all of these designs are just different weapons and exist with each other
opaque coyote
Honestly I do genuinely think the Fallout TV creators genuinely like Fallout
And it's lore
languid meadow
I like the laser gun
besides the laser pistol yeah I like the laser weapons in 4
leaden pilot
The laslock is a very cool concept though, I got to admit that
opaque coyote
Despite them kinda trashing it
gray umbra
The laser rcw is 
opaque coyote
besides the laser pistol yeah I like the laser weapons in 4
I like how you can turn the plasma gun into a flamethrower
Unfortunately it also makes the Flamer useless
arctic talon
Give me this in fallout 5
winter vessel
The laser rcw is <:chefskiss:1016159686376034354>
Vaporize em boys! Nyehehehehehe!
opaque coyote
Poor Flamer
winter vessel
Give me this in fallout 5
this one
arctic talon
Anti weezer gun
languid meadow
again the one thing they got wrong is whole nuking thing and shady sands location, but like vault tech starting the war isnt out of the realm of possiblity. Since we SEE the enclave is controlling vault tech and it makes more sense for them to end the world than vault tech.
arctic talon
Also imo
Vault tech didn’t start the war
They had plans to do so
But they got nuked before they got the chance to
winter vessel
i still think its best that we don't know
opaque coyote
But they got nuked before they got the chance to
China be like
"FUCK YOU AMERICANS I'M DOING IT FIRST"
languid meadow
yeah like why would the ghoul and his daughter not get heads up when his wife was a higher up
celest dome
Of all the guns the FN has made, the P90 is really one i dislike
languid meadow
damn
winter vessel
oh yea i forgot this one existed in FO2
languid meadow
Of all the guns the FN has made, the P90 is really one i dislike
we have to kill you now
celest dome
Why?
languid meadow
I will not tolerate P90 slander
gray umbra
Not a fan of top loaders?
arctic talon
What do you guys think squig tastes like
winter vessel
What do you guys think squig tastes like
turkey
leaden pilot
I am very biased, and these games and worlds are very different, but honestly Stalker > Fallout
I never really got into fallout, but I played Stalker a lot few years back
celest dome
Sea mushroom
gray umbra
Portobello mushroom
opaque coyote
What do you guys think squig tastes like
Texture of cooked mushrooms
Taste of steak
gray umbra
Stalker and fallout are like not even comparable
winter vessel
silly me, forgot they're fungi
gray umbra
Other than the radiation
leaden pilot
Texture of cooked mushrooms
Taste of steak
I'd say that the taste of chicken, but I agree with the texture
winter vessel
second favorite post nuclear apocalypse game series i like besides Fallout was Metro
languid meadow
but the best thing the FO show did was make it so all of the different redesigns of weapons exist with each other instead of replacing them, we see the Fo4 10mm and the classic fallout 10mm, we see the Fo4 "assault rifle" be used for what it was supposed to be.
leaden pilot
Stalker and fallout are like not even comparable
Yeah, they're not, I know that
Metro is more comparable, but as much as I liked the books, I didn't really like the first 2 games, haven't gotten around to play Exodus yet
winter vessel
but the best thing the FO show did was make it so all of the different redesigns...
a drastic redesign i viewed was the Combat Armor, yeesh
languid meadow
eh I kind of like the weird exo skeleton it has but like both version can exist
since we see the old combat armor helmet all over the commonwealth
winter vessel
https://www.wildfooduk.com/mushroom-guide/beefsteak-fungus-fistulina-hepatica/
oh this is edible? didn't know that
leaden pilot
not at times, all the times
opaque coyote
Also my favorite piece of Halo media is Sadie's audio logs in Halo 3 ODST
I have no reason to say this
I'm just getting this out there
It's just interesting to see the view of a normal person during the covenant invasion of New Mombasa
Also Jonas is my favorite character lmao
I hope that Fat bastard lived
Or at least killed some covenant before he died lmao
gray umbra
There is one that tastes like chicken
opaque coyote
There is one that tastes like chicken
Apparently human being takes like chicken according to a lot of cannibals
opaque coyote
Also y'know in regular show. There was an episode about an all meat burrito
Somebody actually tried cooking it. Using various different types of meat and game
Including things like steak, chicken, lamb, vension, fucking kangaroo I think
It also ended up tasting like chicken because like
So much meat with different flavors and textures kinda overwhelms your tongue
So maybe the default for meat taste is
Chicken
gray umbra
Well im not trying human meat any time soon
opaque coyote
In Warhammer 40k, apparently Grox tastes similar to steak
Despite Groxes being big reptiles
Alien moment
Although I have to wonder
How do Tau taste like
I wonder if there is like a Slaaneshi CSM focused on cooking
Like they specifically find different Xenos species to try and cook them into food
soft thunder
some people say it tastes more like pork
soft thunder
yes (human)
gray umbra
Does tau taste like salmon
gray umbra
If they did, they probably wouldnt have survived past the stone age dear god
Imagine if your entire race just tasted like a fruit
opaque coyote
Imagine if your entire race just tasted like a fruit
That's probably the only reason why the Kroot allied with them
"Fine I'll join you. As long as you let me eat the dead bodies"
snow fern
Kale smoothies
leaden pilot
mtn dew (tbh i don't know if mtn dew is actually green)
snow fern
it is
opaque coyote
mtn dew (tbh i don't know if mtn dew is actually green)
it is, same shade as the vials as well
leaden pilot
Good to know, never had it
snow fern
it's very sugar, not missing much
opaque coyote
mountain dew tastes like shit
still waiting for nurglings to be added to darktide tbh
snow fern
I mean they were barely in vt2 as rat reskins, I don't know if I want to deal with more anklebiters than what we have
opaque coyote
I mean they were barely in vt2 as rat reskins, I don't know if I want to deal wi...
Oh yeah and also Rotflies
soft thunder
leaden pilot
good
The joy of living in Poland and seeing doritos and mtn dew in shops for the first time after living for like 16 years
opaque coyote
Basically if you defeat a Beast of Nurgle
snow fern
Buy Monster Energy now for a free download code for HALO 3!!!!
opaque coyote
There's a chance that later on in the level, they appear as a rotfly to attack you
leaden pilot
still waiting for nurglings to be added to darktide tbh
Sassy nurgling as a secret on some map
opaque coyote
Sassy nurgling as a secret on some map
they just stand there
sassingly
you take 1 tick of corruption by seeing them
the sass is too much
snow fern
damn more corrosive than a burgle
opaque coyote
only if you see them tho
they act like nurgle totems
giving you plasteel if you shoot them
leaden pilot
they just stand there
"The absolute sass, arrogance and mocking you see radiating from that foul creature makes you sick with the thought that you'll never achieve a form as perfect as theirs without the gifts of Grandfather Nurgle. For each second spent looking at the Sassy Nurgling take 1 corruption damage"
opaque coyote
"The absolute sass, arrogance and mocking you see radiating from that foul creat...
LMAO
peak fiction
leaden pilot
peak fiction
It would work better in some sort of a ttrpg tbh
If I ever run some 40k rpg there will certainly be a sassy nurgling enemy lol
Or a sassy nurgling friendly npc, if it was chaos themed
opaque coyote
Or a sassy nurgling friendly npc, if it was chaos themed
Honestly I want a game where it takes place as a Chaos POV
You're an SM captain who recently defected and turned to chaos
You have to build up your warband and strategically battle against the Corpse Worshippers, the filthy Xenos, and other chaos things
leaden pilot
There is the old Black Crusade RPG iirc
opaque coyote
However the ending will be bad no matter what. It's just that it depends what flavor of bad
You could either fail and die off
Get too many blessings and become a Chaos Spawn
Get too few blessings and become scorned by the chaos gods and died
Betrayed due to too low morale
etc.
I could imagine it being a Rogue Like
Each "warband" basically being another group of SMs that betrayed the Imperium for various reasons that you can choose for bonuses
and nerfs
You basically have to get a perfect run to become a Daemon Prince
languid meadow
besides their odd color the new models look so good
celest dome
I mostly want a self defeating story about a Warband turning to chaos due to the Inquisition hunting them, then due to Warp shenanigan, travel back in time causing the Inquisition to hunt them
And mechanically work like the Wasteland 3/old Fallout game where you have some story still in it
languid meadow
the warp consumes
opaque coyote
I mostly want a self defeating story about a Warband turning to chaos due to the...
Yeah I was thinking of it being a roguelike because the Chaos Gods are fickle with blessings and such
red solar
Hello~! ☺️
I’m new to WH40K(Darktide being my first real interaction with the media) so I thought I’d ask!
What stories/videos/books should I watch/read to get an a good introduction into the story?
Any advice is appreciated! 🌸
opaque coyote
With some blessings being things like extra strength, psyker power, etc.
While others are literally just
Add tentacle to knee
celest dome
I mostly want it to have story set from Chaos
Rogue like doesn't really let that happen easily
Wasteland 3 Chaos SM
and Tide game where you play as 5 select Chaos chosens
I need both
opaque coyote
Hello~! ☺️
I’m new to WH40K(Darktide being my first real interaction with the m...
For books, I would recommend "For The Emperor!" by Alex Stewart, "Guant's Ghost: Necropolis" by Dan Abnett, and Eisenhorn
also by Dan Abnett
Do not read the Horus Heresy novels
Not because they're bad. But because it would be confusing as fuck for people who don't know shit
red solar
Oh thank you!!
languid meadow
Hello~! ☺️
I’m new to WH40K(Darktide being my first real interaction with the m...
I'll just parrot bricky for this
but welcome to the universe it's pretty great
red solar
Appreciate that as well!
leaden pilot
Hello~! ☺️
I’m new to WH40K(Darktide being my first real interaction with the m...
Also Bricky's videos are a good primer for 40k
Luetin is also good but his videos are a bit more in depth
opaque coyote
Oh thank you!!
As for videos. There's not much in that department. But a fan series I really like is Astartes. It's pretty simple, and a good introduction to how SMs are in ability
opaque coyote
Also Bricky's videos are a good primer for 40k
Luetin is also good but his video...
Bricky's is good if you want just a general overview
Luetin is good for listening while doing something else because they usually last HOURS
leaden pilot
I also kinda like Mr. Bones 40k, he's also good for learning about general lore
leaden pilot
Luetin is good for listening while doing something else because they usually las...
Luetin sleep gang
red solar
Luetin is good for listening while doing something else because they usually las...
I unironically love that type of content 😌
I remember watching like
4 really long videos in a row about an obscure russian game
leaden pilot
Pathologic analysis videos my beloved
red solar
Apologies for getting off topic!
Thank you all for advice!! 🥰
languid meadow
consuming both mandalore and Hbomberguy pathologic videos
crystal forum
left ear hbomber guy right ear mandalore
red solar
hell yeah!
crystal forum
2x speed
red solar
left ear hbomber guy right ear mandalore
The optimal way
leaden pilot
Civvie and Mandalore are my favorite youtubers right now I think
languid meadow
repressing the urge to spend money on the tau/scion kill team box
leaden pilot
Repressing the urge to buy one of the AoS starter boxes
crystal forum
repressing the urge to spend money on the tau/scion kill team box
erm it's not tau
crystal forum
wintry scarab
Does the imperium control the majority of known space?
crystal forum
if by majority you mean at least 50% then yes probably
there's maps every edition
if you wanna check
languid meadow
Those maps make me angry ngl
Like there are 3 trillion planets in our galaxy but the maps shrink the galaxy
crystal forum
you can remove like 95% of those since they're just rocks
dont let astronomers tell you otherwise. space is boring
languid meadow
But planets being inhabitable isn't a factor for the 42M since they can terraform, and plus those rocks prob have a population just for mining
rose thorn
Oh cool slaves to darkness is the most popular faction atm
And the least popular (not squated) faction is kharadon overlords
crystal forum
But planets being inhabitable isn't a factor for the 42M since they can terrafor...
do they contain a main character though 
leaden pilot
And the least popular (not squated) faction is kharadon overlords
Kharadron are one of the factions I consider collecting if I ever get into aos
rose thorn
Kharadron are one of the factions I consider collecting if I ever get into aos
They are so fun, they basically play like Armageddon tbh
leaden pilot
Love me air, anarcho-capitalist dwarf pirates
rose thorn
Love me air, anarcho-capitalist dwarf pirates
Baller vibe
Nighthaunt are the second most popular faction
Because soul wars
Luminth is the third because of Covid
And storm cast dropped to the 4th most popular
leaden pilot
If I ever get into AoS it will be with Kharadron, Stormcast, Skaven or Slaves to Darkness
rose thorn
If I ever get into AoS it will be with Kharadron, Stormcast, Skaven or Slaves to...
all of those are great (and pretty cheap) factions
languid meadow
I like aos but I hate how they turned ikit into just a normal warlock engineer
rose thorn
my favorite faction, which use to be the strongest faction, is now the worst faction
rose thorn
I like aos but I hate how they turned ikit into just a normal warlock engineer
well now his kit is gone and got replaced with a new kit. Tbh they did that with alot of models
leaden pilot
Completely forgot about Flesh-eater Courts, they're also really cool
Also the Ossiarch Bonereapers
rose thorn
im very tempted to start ossiarch
it nips at my soul
but htey are more expensive stormcasts
(with a fun ability)
leaden pilot
AoS has so many cool factions
rose thorn
yessssss
the worst faction (bonesplittaz) got squated, and beasts will return probably next edition
if kruleboyz and iron jaws share a book that means bonesplittaz will comeback too
opaque coyote
"I am Adolf Hitler. Commander of the third Reich. Little known fact: also dope on the mic"
languid meadow
Cinema
leaden pilot
AoS has so many cool factions
Even if the old Warhammer Fantasy appeals to me more, and I think that 40k is generally better, I still gotta admit that
arctic talon
ngl
snow fern
Why is the chart color coded like this?
arctic talon
Why is the chart color coded like this?
hot vs cold
snow fern
Can’t I just put ice cubes in my Disciples of Tzeentch?
rocky gale
Why is the chart color coded like this?
Red means overperforming, white means within acceptable and blue means underperforming
arctic talon
this is expected
snow fern
64% win rate is pretty high yah
languid meadow
this is expected
still doesn't make it any less painful
arctic talon
is not a recipe for victory
also Skaven are weighed down
by a new large playerbase
of shitters bad players
who don't know how to play the army
and they probably overclock their shit everyturn
for skryre
snow fern
Isn’t it just, drown them with garbage and use monsters/war machines?
arctic talon
Depends on the army
if you're running Skryre you use trash to keep them occupied while you gun them down + use some bigger stuff
Moulder is big monster mash or monsters + trash
Verminus is Stormvermin/Trash spam
snow fern
Who the hell are Verminus?
arctic talon
Pestilans is being annoying to kill, trash, and good spellcasting
arctic talon
Who the hell are Verminus?
Verminus are a newer Great Clan
snow fern
Morr dead then?
arctic talon
yeah Morr fucking died
snow fern
Rip
leaden pilot
Queek Headtaker my beloved [*]
arctic talon
and they have good Stormvermin
languid meadow
rest in peace a real one that is mors
snow fern
Are the verminlord units any good?
languid meadow
I just realized I haven't really looked into the other skaven clans in AoS besides Skyre and moulder, did verms inherit mors weird loyalty they had?
snow fern
Nighthaunt is just the billion ghosts faction yah?
arctic talon
also have the gag rule on an unmodified 13 of 2d6
you get to uh
instantly win the game
arctic talon
I just realized I haven't really looked into the other skaven clans in AoS besid...
Yes, Verms Skavenslaves and clan rats get treated less shit
snow fern
Gotta love my screaming bell
languid meadow
Yes, Verms Skavenslaves and clan rats get treated less shit
arctic talon
Nighthaunt is just the billion ghosts faction yah?
Nighthaunt are ghosts of people Nagash specifically wants to torture
for one reason or another
or he's just feeling like a spiteful prick and turns you into one
They're a very fast glass cannony army
snow fern
So basically everyone considering how much of a petty bitch he is
arctic talon
not everyone
its for his like especially high levels of torture
like if you really got on his shitlist somehow
snow fern
So how did they get the notably high win rate?
snow fern
So there’s no good walls to slow their momentum
arctic talon
they can run + retreat + charge
lol
they can run in, charge you, then pull out
then repeat
snow fern
Gotta love cycle charging
arctic talon
also they're kind of hard to actually fucking hit
being ghosts
and they can revive themselves
leaden pilot
arctic talon
because they are a death army
also they can force the enemy to always fight before them
and teleport
also they're super underpriced across the board
opaque coyote
YES YES WE SHALL FEAST FEAST!
Honestly I get why Skaven aren't in 40k.
Both the Tyranids and the Ork fill the roles they would olay
At the same time though
They would be really funny
There is that shit theory that the Tyranids are running from something more powerful
It would be really fucking funny if that was the Skaven
opaque coyote
mostly orks and humanity
Orks got the "Literally weld scraps together" into tech and the horde part
Humanity got the backstabbing and stupidity part
Both got infighting
Humanity got the raw end of the deal honestly
We should've prayed to the Great Horned Rat King instead of the Emperor
opaque coyote
Skaven got split between Orks, nids, and humanity lol
When did "Grimdark" as a term even get invented anyways
I heard that 40k made the term but I'm not sure
opaque coyote
Also are Warhammer Fantasy Orcs similar to 40k Orks
I mean their lore is probably different
But do they still love fighting
outer wave
They're alot less comedic for one
They are a little silly but overall they're much more serious in terms of how they act
opaque coyote
Can they actually comprehend things like
outer wave
Goblins are a legit sub faction within their ranks rather than small punching bags for the orks
opaque coyote
Peace
arctic talon
What are the main differences
not very humurous, they just like killing people
No
lol
outer wave
Can they actually comprehend things like
No still the usual "Anal about fighting" kind of schtick
opaque coyote
Goblins are a legit sub faction within their ranks rather than small punching ba...
Yeah it makes me think that Orks are essentially Orcs and Skaven fused together
opaque coyote
not very humurous, they just like killing people
Fair enough
I like Orks better though
They're funnier
opaque coyote
Idk maybe the reason why Orks were made was because they were just tired of drawing rats
outer wave
Orcs in WHF actually use their shit for various things
Making moats and making rogue idols
opaque coyote
Lemme guess it has spikes also
Oh
Yeah if I somehow survived the fall into the shit moat I'm fucking killing myself
There is no recovery from that
outer wave
And its orc shit too
Or ogre, depending on who you're dealing with
Both especially suck
opaque coyote
Honestly you either die from the fall/injury
Die from infection
Or die from the lack of proper fucking air
outer wave
They could probably light it and it'd go kaboom
opaque coyote
Wouldn't that also damage their walls
If they're Ogres they probably won't think about that tbh
Orcs probably would just let you die in the shitpit
Especially if it's a moat. Nobody would risk trying to save you
You would just starve to death at best
Covered in shit
Lighting the pit on fire could be a mercy honestly
crystal forum
as much as i hate to think about it
i cant stop wondering about the 2nd and 11th legions 😤
i dont get the idea that people are supposed to homebrew a whole ass primarch
how does that even work
outer wave
That was their original intention apparently
You were to paint and make your own legions and all that, but I guess people found that redundant (they just make their own space marine chapter and whatnot) so they scrapped the idea and wrote a justification on why we dont see them
My source is youtube comments
crystal forum
i saw that a lot too
chapters make sense
primarchs tho
idk how rules were back in the day but that sounds super painful to homebrew
part of me hopes GW does something eventually with the lost legions but chances are low if even dan abnett didn't think it necessary to add to the HH
outer wave
I doubt it
Theyve alraedy given the lost legions an okay justification on why they're not here, and thats more than enough
rose thorn
Magnus is way cooler then I thought he was
yea, he like, was an actual person
and wirtten well
crystal forum
Theyve alraedy given the lost legions an okay justification on why they're not h...
i can imagine it would be easy to make a blackshield army who's origins are a lot more obscure than expected...
also i really like the idea of painting my marines as proto legions
great crusade era marines dont get enough recognition
languid meadow
great crusade armor looks so good
fallen plaza
great crusade era marines dont get enough recognition
Based opinion
As usual
It's s shame a lot of pre primarch color schemes aren't documented a lot
We know some
On the top of my head we know the ultramarines, imperial fist, world eaters, thousand sons, a bit of white scars.
languid meadow
we also know the death guards and sons of horus as well
the dusk raiders armor scheme is so good
winter vessel
I do like their pre-Mortarion Reunion armor colors, and the name in itself is cool
fallen plaza
The heresy in general cooked so hard with the color schemes
storm jungle
i dont get the idea that people are supposed to homebrew a whole ass primarch
Because thats a fan theory.
One of the original 40k studio dudes confirmed that was never the idea, they were simply lost because it was a cheeky historical reference to the actual two lost roman legions.
radiant lance
You can't stop me from dreaming up a female primarch and all female legion
storm jungle
bold rampart
plush mason
One of the original 40k studio dudes confirmed that was never the idea, they wer...
which ones? :P
Rome lost a lot of legions over the years
storm jungle
which ones? :P
I dunno i dont read roman slop
plush mason
lmao fair
wintry scarab
Do we know when the september update thing is coming out for SM2?
plush mason
?
wintry scarab
Space marine 2
scenic bolt
they said september but who knows if they hold to it, they missed majority of their WWZ roadmap deadlines cause the launch was so poor in a technical sense they pushed that stuff back to fix the game first
which if Im not mistaken was also things slated for its first release: new map, FOV slider, private lobbies
spring cairn
still baffled no fov slider on launch
wintry scarab
still baffled no fov slider on launch
There is no news of an FOV slider any time soon btw
storm jungle
Gotta focus on those cosmetic DLCs
wintry scarab
I just hope some mods get approved at least or something.
I mean tbf if youre on console you should kinda be expecting to have a terrible experience with modern games but thats no excuse for pc to not have one.
rocky gale
Hmm
fallen plaza
Not karl franz finally got his own book
rocky gale
and he's fighting Orks
storm jungle
Damn finally lame characters a book
rocky gale
It'll probably be really short like Leliths book
crystal forum
wow they made a book about the horse model
storm jungle
BRUH
rocky gale
Na they specifically mention his horse isn't in it
storm jungle
It'll probably be really short like Leliths book
Unfortunately people wont be as upset due to a lack of gay people 😔
crystal forum
Na they specifically mention his horse isn't in it
this is upsetting
fallen marsh
rocky gale
"Stripped of his armies and separated from his loyal steed Konstantin, Leontus has no intention to merely survive this war. He intends to win it."
No horse 
rocky gale
Yea, it's even a similar sort of style to the Lelith Limited Edition cover
storm jungle
"Stripped of his armies and separated from his loyal steed Konstantin, Leontus h...
WAIT I THOUGHT YOU WERE MEMEING
wow they really specify that 
rocky gale
Yea he's not got all his fancy stuff, it's about him being in an escape pod and landing on a Ork occupied world
fallen plaza
There gonna make a spinoff book that features just his horse
“Lord Solar: an affair with a steed”
rocky gale
It's even got the same sideways writing on the back as the Lelith book had
storm jungle
Yeah im not expecting much
rocky gale
Obviously the same designer
fallen plaza
That one looks better though
rocky gale
Which one?
fallen plaza
The lelith one
rocky gale
Na
storm jungle
sloppa
fallen plaza
Yeah but
rocky gale
The Lelith one looks like what an AI image generator would give you if you typed in "Lelith Queen of Knives"
fallen plaza
It has an epic happy onion as a signature
rocky gale
It's Lelith and it's knives
rocky gale
It's like "Hey this Sauron guy is Lord of the Rings, so maybe the cover should be him surrounded by like a bunch of rings"
"and also he should be made out of rings"
shadow plover
Yeah the Lelith cover has no sauce
Leontus one is a bit better, back cover is awful
rocky gale
Yea the random sideways writing in a Bold font with shiny lettering doesn't fit the tone of the covers at all
Like stylistically I'm not a fan of the designs, but if you're going for the blank front without title or writing on it, keep that same theme for the back as well
Only have writing on the Spine
storm jungle
the horse inclusion is still killing me on that cover, its so funny
queen laurel
the horse inclusion is still killing me on that cover, its so funny
yeah what is he a Bretonnian?
queen laurel
its more that it looks goofy formatting wise here lol
yeah it could have definitely looked better
green loom
the horse inclusion is still killing me on that cover, its so funny
Neigh
plush mason
the horse inclusion is still killing me on that cover, its so funny
i heard there is a joke fan theory that the horse is the actual lord solar and the dude is just a servitor
crystal forum
nobody would give a shit about this character if the mini wasn't so necessary to play guard on tabletop btw
just had to put that clear
crystal forum
i personally really dont like the lord solar model it doesn't fit with any guard army
especially not with cadians
fallen plaza
Same
crystal forum
it feels like it should be in 30k or something
ruby turtle
shadow plover
the new episode was pretty neat
green loom
Is the episode out
dusk patrol
nobody would give a shit about this character if the mini wasn't so necessary to...
I know for a fact plenty of people like him
green loom
did prefer the second one
Can you give me a rundown
dusk patrol
Like he doesn’t work for all guard army concepts but I don’t really see an issue with that
He’s kinda meant to stand apart
The horse thing is a little silly but it’s also 40k so whatever
Hardly the silliest thing out there
sour hornet
I will literally sacrifice orphans for GW to give a spotlight to a guard unit that isn't fuckin' C*dians.
No Kr*eg either.
ruby turtle
queen laurel
did prefer the second one
are the orks fun or serious kind?
shadow plover
serious but not that prevalent
small grail
how do orks grow @queen laurel
dusk patrol
They’re basically vignettes
queen laurel
The Orks aren’t in it
i meant the third one
small grail
like what feeds em
dusk patrol
I thought you guys were talking about the second episode
queen laurel
how do orks grow <@783504501561753651>
Fighting and getting respect from other orks
crystal forum
Like he doesn’t work for all guard army concepts but I don’t really see an issue...
he doesnt work for most. im complaining about the fact that he's literally required to buy if you want to play guard and actually win 
green loom
like what feeds em
Food
queen laurel
They grow naturally but fighting and getting respect from their group accelerates the process
small grail
Fighting and getting respect from other orks
meant from fungi onwards
dusk patrol
he doesnt work for most. im complaining about the fact that he's literally requi...
Just kitbash him to your dudes
fallen plaza
he doesnt work for most. im complaining about the fact that he's literally requi...
Might as well proxy his model with someone else
queen laurel
meant from fungi onwards
You mean life cycle?
green loom
They can eat squigs, and sometimes the gretchin/grots
small grail
You mean life cycle?
ye
small grail
@crystal forum i have something to send you
queen laurel
clans biology
sour hornet
i personally really dont like the lord solar model it doesn't fit with any guard...
They really gotta make a guard unit that is totally fucking clapped out in gold. Give us a guard unit that doesn't look like they just got done fighting in Donbass.
small grail
can u accept the friend request
small grail
clans biology
ah
green loom
Accept my enemy request
crystal forum
can u accept the friend request
sure
crystal forum
Accept my enemy request
already have
green loom
queen laurel
ah
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Orkoid_physiology this has some outdated info like them having gills but should still hold up
crystal forum
They really gotta make a guard unit that is totally fucking clapped out in gold....
you can do that. i want to make a old 100 inspired army that looks like it hangs around custodes too much
crystal forum
preferably play 30k militia if you want some wonky playstyle
gene army let's goooo
spring cairn
that's the same ork from the kill team trailer isn't it
queen laurel
that's the same ork from the kill team trailer isn't it
this one?
spring cairn
yeah
gaunt sable
Still irritated by the lack of a lot of cool Psyker Lore.
Is it so much to follow a coven of Sanctioned Psykers in the Guard or working with some Imperial Organization? XD
It's so hard writing anything substantive for them when there's so little.
queen laurel
Still irritated by the lack of a lot of cool Psyker Lore.
Is it so much to foll...
To be honest they can literally imitate a lot of powers in fictions
So just go for it
crystal forum
eisenhorn is psyker
queen laurel
there's a ton of psyker characters
yeah but all of them kind of just go with
Lightning bolt lightning bolt firestorm firestorm
None of them use how varied and cool psychic powers can actually be
crystal forum
i havent read any books with very powerful psykers as protagonists
speaking of which in the eisenhorn books, malleus specifically, there's a moment where the psyker power scale is WAY off
a bunch of alpha+ psykers are let loose in a parade crowd and they feel about as powerful as any slightly strong psykers
like brother an alpha+ should be able to destroy a whole hive spire with their minds
fallen plaza
Explodes hivecity with mind
near wasp
You guys think Dante still gets service studs cause now he's got like 30 of them
crystal forum
i also wondered that
i've never seen more than like 4 studs
and what about dreadnoughts
gaunt sable
you mean like powerful psykers?
Books specifically revolving around Psyker characters (That aren't Chapter Librarians or Inquisitors.)
There's precious little information what life is like for the day to day life of Psykers. Like what is their time in the scholastia psykana like?
Or stuff about Guard Psykers.
At best we get glimpses.
leaden pilot
You guys think Dante still gets service studs cause now he's got like 30 of them
armored forehead lmao
gaunt sable
But there are precious few PoV characters or books specifically dealing with them. So it's very difficult.
sour hornet
Still irritated by the lack of a lot of cool Psyker Lore.
Is it so much to foll...
It's literally the opposite, psykers are super easy to write.
crystal forum
yeah very little information about characters who are psykers first and foremost instead of it being a secondary thing
gaunt sable
None of them use how varied and cool psychic powers can actually be
Ravenor does a fantastic job of showing what Psykers can do.
Ravenors duel with Kinsky while both are astral projecting is one of the highlights of the first novel.
sour hornet
I have several I have written extensive backstories for that I use for campaigns.
gaunt sable
eisenhorn is psyker
I specifically cited, 'Psykers that aren't Inquisitors.' xD
Inquistors who happen to be Psykers are a vanishingly small minority and they don't have to deal with any substantive negative stigma.
sour hornet
Honourbound is pretty good for seeing what life is like as a Primaris Psyker.
near wasp
I specifically cited, 'Psykers that aren't Inquisitors.' xD
Inquistors who happe...
They don't have to deal with any of the negative stigma because inquisitors are already feared worse than psykers
gaunt sable
*Honourbound* is pretty good for seeing what life is like as a Primaris Psyker.
Never read it. But Swords of Damocles despite being centered on the Ultramarines has probably one of the best guard depictions of Psykers I've read.
sour hornet
One of the POV characters is a guard primaris psyker.
She has it very rough. Debriefed intensively after every battle, her guard comrades make the sign of the witch at her, scorn her help after she saves their lives.
She's treated like a very dangerous, caged animal. Let loose at her foes, strictly locked and monitored otherwise, and never trusted by anyone.
gaunt sable
That is unusual compared to several other novels we see like Witchbringer.
Especially in regards to a Primaris Psyker.
tough haven
*Explodes hivecity with mind*
“My fuckin’ hive city”
tough haven
She's treated like a very dangerous, caged animal. Let loose at her foes, strict...
Crazy how people behave as monsters when you treat them like one
sour hornet
That is unusual compared to several other novels we see like Witchbringer.
I'm getting the passage where she's being debriefed, it's pretty rough for our girl.
sour hornet
I'm getting the passage where she's being debriefed, it's pretty rough for our g...
Raine’s first duty on the return to the Antari muster grounds is always the same: to debrief Lydia Zane.
The debrief takes place at the far end of the Antari medical block, in a small room that smells of counterseptic and cold steel. The room’s walls are whitewashed flakboard, like the rest of the block, but there are no cots or stretchers, just two chairs and a table with drawers, all heavy-duty steel, and all bolted to the floor. Raine takes her own seat, then unlocks and opens the drawer and takes out Zane’s file. It is a thick binder full of loose sheaves, wrapped in cord. Hundreds of battles, captured in ink.
The chair that sits opposite Raine is tarnished from oxidisation. It has inbuilt restraints for the wrists, and a locking collar studded with sedative injectors that are slaved to a button under Raine’s side of the desk. A cautionary measure. Raine cannot hear the wounded or the dying from this room. There are deliberately empty rooms left between the debriefing suite and the wards, to ensure that anything said during debrief is not overheard. To ensure that there is distance between the psyker and the wounded, in case anything should go wrong.
Another cautionary measure.
This time, it is Andren Fel who escorts Zane into the room, and the psyker practically falls into her seat when he lets go of her. One of the aides has to hold Zane’s head up while the other bolts the restraint collar around her neck. The only time Raine has seen her look worse was after Drast. After she lost her eyes, saving those of her kin that she could. The aides move silently around them, connecting cables and activating the psy-reader on the table. It starts to scratch out a pattern with jagged movements of its auto-quill. One of the aides draws a vial of Zane’s blood. If it hurts her, she says nothing. She doesn’t even flinch. Then the aides bow low and retreat, still without speaking a word. Fel goes too, though he doesn’t look happy about it. Raine knows that the process makes him uneasy. That despite all of his training, he is still Antari, and still filled with dread at the thought of a psyker, even one that is bound and monitored like Lydia Zane.
After almost two years of serving alongside them, and seeing all of the things that Zane has done, there’s a part of Raine that can understand his dread.
Raine clicks the vox-thief live and opens Zane’s file.
‘Post-mission debrief,’ Raine says, turning to a new page. ‘Operation one hundred and seventy-five. The retaking of the Forge Primary on Laxus Secundus.’
She writes it into the file too. It isn’t strictly necessary with the vox-thief recording every word, but the file is Raine’s choice. It’s the act of taking notes. The unequivocal black and white of ink on page. One of the few things in life that are quite so clear-cut.
‘Name and rank,’ Raine says.
Zane coughs. The breath she takes afterwards is as if she’s come up from underwater.
‘Lydia Zane,’ she says. ‘Primaris psyker. Graded Epsilon. Eleventh Antari Rifles.’
‘How long have you served the Rifles?’ Raine asks. It’s a question she knows the answer to, and that’s the point.
‘Fourteen years,’ Zane says. ‘From the moment they would let me, I chose to serve.’
Raine takes her notes. The psy-reader pushes out parchment.
‘You always wanted to serve?’ Raine asks.
Zane coughs again. The psy-reader’s auto-quill trembles.
‘There are few other choices, for a witch,’ Zane says.
Raine stops writing and looks up at Zane. ‘I thought that you loathed that word.’
Zane’s pale cheeks colour, and she frowns. ‘I do,’ she says, bitterly. ‘There is no dignity in it.’ ‘
Then why use it?’
Zane draws her broken fingernails along the arms of the chair. ‘Today has been a test,’ she says, haltingly. ‘I misspoke. That is all.’
Raine makes a note of the psyker’s words. She can feel Zane’s false eyes on her, and on the words she writes into the file.
‘And if you were to choose?’ Raine asks. ‘If there were an option other than service, what would you do?’
It is not one of her usual questions, but that in itself is usual. It is protocol to pressurise Zane. You cannot test the strength of something by pushing gently.
‘There is no choice,’ Zane says.
‘Pretend there is.’
Zane scowls. A fat drop of blood falls from her nose into her lap.
‘I am caged,’ she says. ‘Bound. Tempered, by what they did to me. I do not pretend. I cannot.’
Lightning crackles across Zane’s scalp, and the psy-reader spikes.
‘They cut deep, and built walls,’ she slurs. ‘Iron bands to bind me on the inside. Collar to bind me on the outside. It is what you do to an animal that you expect to bite or thrash. Bind it. Watch it, always. Shoot it when you need to.’
gaunt sable
Checks
Some of her treatment probably stems from the fact that the Antari are superstitious as fuck.
sour hornet
The psy-reader is close to the red line. Zane is rattling and twitching as much as the needle. As with every duty Raine has, it is a choice she has to make.
Trigger the collar.
Shoot the psyker.
Keep pushing.
Her pistol is on the table. The emergency trigger for the collar is under the desk. Raine makes the choice, and she reaches for neither.
‘I won’t shoot you,’ Raine says.
Zane smiles, though it is more like a snarl. The psy-reader dips again. ‘Not today,’ she says.
gaunt sable
But that kind of debrief is unusual given that Lydia is a Primary Psyker. Getting to that position generally means your brains pretty bulletproof to corruption.
gaunt sable
And there put in such a high degree of trust that they command the Regiments other Psykers.
radiant lance
Shooting a psyker is just standard protocol
It's like playing vermintide 2 and purposely shooting the elf for being an elf
sour hornet
They are pretty tough, but by no means are bulletproof to corruption.
sour hornet
And there put in such a high degree of trust that they command the Regiments oth...
Granted respect and responsibilities, not trust.
rocky gale
In Witchbringer we don't see the character interact with a Commissar, in fact I don't recall them mentioning if the Regiment has a Commissar, so we can assume that something similar would happen in it if there was one present.
gaunt sable
They are pretty tough, but by no means are bulletproof to corruption.
No one is.
But the point is that Primaris Psykers generally have proven capable of being 'Safe' and generally get a shit load of Augmetics meant to make them even more safe and mentally bulletproof.
gaunt sable
In Witchbringer we don't see the character interact with a Commissar, in fact I ...
The Regiments previous Primary Psyker seemed well respected and trusted.
plush mason
Granted respect and responsibilities, not trust.
never trust, hate and distrust of the witch is a core part of the imperium, psykers are a necessary evil and only barely tolerated
gaunt sable
never trust, hate and distrust of the witch is a core part of the imperium, psyk...
And yet. Psyker Inquistors exist and given the responsibility of the big shit that can wreck planets.
sour hornet
No one is.
But the point is that Primaris Psykers generally have proven capable...
Make them more stable, yes. There isn't 'making someone mentally bulletproof' that doesn't involve them joining the Grey Knights. Mortal Psykers are inherently suseptible to corruption. It will always be there, waiting for you to drop your guard, Primaris Psyker or not.
plush mason
And yet. Psyker Inquistors exist and given the responsibility of the big shit th...
no one trusts inquisitors ether, they are feared
sour hornet
Psychic Inquisitors themselves have been possessed, corrupted, and fallen to chaos.
gaunt sable
no one trusts inquisitors ether, they are feared
You misunderstood what 'Trust' meant in that context.
rocky gale
The Regiments previous Primary Psyker seemed well respected and trusted.
But again there's no mention of a Commissar being with the Regiment, whereas Raine is a Commissar, it's likely she just has a higher standard of scrutiny than the average officer would
dusk patrol
No one is.
But the point is that Primaris Psykers generally have proven capable...
They’re still dangerous
gaunt sable
The Imperium and the Inquisition as an institution places a great degree of trust in many Psykers by elevating them to the ranks of Interrogators and Inquistors.