40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Yeah definitely

[spring cairn]

you're the iron hand fetishist right ?

I have a question about the iron hands

[dusk patrol]

I would maybe put it differently but sure

[shell mason]

Ew

[spring cairn]

how do they mark different ranks

[shell mason]

as in?

[fallen plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100775690040782919/1284583055419510874/IMG_20240914_190932.jpg?ex=66e728b2&is=66e5d732&hm=3926e9e36ee10a9f9b39b0ff1d1c92c145ce3a5776e8f15d8a56082e24ca9c8e&

[spring cairn]

as in sergeant, captain ect

[shell mason]

oh we posting dogs now

[spring cairn]

on the armor

[shell mason]

bet

[fallen plaza]

This is my friends dog, barney.

[shell mason]

she also sits on the house

[fallen plaza]

Hmm

[dusk patrol]

So kinda lazy but this is what the official stuff is

But

Because of how their clans work and what not these often can be ignored

[fallen plaza]

The short answer is

[spring cairn]

i just wanted to know what color to paint the helmet of my heavy in sm2 thx

[fallen plaza]

Search “iron hands rankings”

[spring cairn]

white it is

[spring cairn]

i did

it's a mess to find

[fallen plaza]

Really?

[dusk patrol]

In general it’s up to you, there’s not much of a real rule and the IH largely have a disdain for established stuff like that

Some clans have no markings at all

No way to distinguish the marines

Some have a lot more ornamented stuff

[shell mason]

she puts all other dogs to shame

[spring cairn]

das cool, i wish the heavy marine had the same head option as assault

[dusk patrol]

This is the IH Deathwatch Heavy I did, arguably a little too ornamented.

But some IH do more some do much less

[spring cairn]

assault's head looks like he'd be an iron hand

but heavy guy talks like one so

[shell mason]

Fun fact Macaroni pizza is a thing

[arctic talon]

boba pizza is a thing

[fallen plaza]

Apparently you can put anything on a flat piece of bread?

Insane

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the heavy feels very IH in his dialogue

Even his name

[arctic talon]

the vanguard sounds unhinged

[dusk patrol]

Straban could be an IH name

[arctic talon]

shove him into any of the incredibly angry chapters

and he fits

[fallen plaza]

God i wish these were models

[spring cairn]

heavy is literally a souless creature

[shell mason]

it's more than that you know this Zimmer

[fallen plaza]

Heresy iron hands were peak iron hands

[shell mason]

Heretical type shit

[arctic talon]

Heavy is so humorless he circles back around to being funny

[dusk patrol]

“Brother Straban how do you maintain such focus in battle?”

“I refrain from unnecessary conversation.”

“Oh th-…oh.”

[spring cairn]

initiate standard morale boost

for the emperor

[shell mason]

Just say what you have to say

[spring cairn]

the magos at the armoury is more humane

[dusk patrol]

Yeah he’s cool

His conversations with Titus are nice

[fallen plaza]

I always found these models insane because of there ambition at the time

You would think these were elite units

[arctic talon]

God

[fallen plaza]

But no, these are officially just regular tactical squads

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld

cooked for those dudes

[dusk patrol]

“Are you experiencing issues with your new reduced rank?”

“No.”

“Interesting, I saw a 96.46% chance it would be an issue.”

Archmagos way to say “Cap”

[fallen plaza]

Let me reiterate, these were tactical squads

[arctic talon]

I know

[spring cairn]

these would be so much better if they had prosthetic legs

[fallen plaza]

Imagine if they cooked this hard for every model

[arctic talon]

Its the MK2 Iron hands Legion tactical squad

ngl

I always felt they fit more as a tactical support squad

since you only get 5 dudes

[dusk patrol]

I would love if we got a high effort Iron Hands sprue for legs and a bunch of stuff besides heads and arms

But I get it

[arctic talon]

but they come with bolters so legion tactical squad it is

[dusk patrol]

Got this guy at least

[arctic talon]

Keep on huffing the Copium brother

we'll get it eventually

[dusk patrol]

Lots of people use Zephon for jump captain too

Pretty easy conversion

[fallen plaza]

Arent you content with your whopping one IH character model?

[dusk patrol]

Technically three

But it’s how it is

I’ll always like more, we might get it we might not

I’m fairly happy with what we got

[spare osprey]

he's very focused, 2 of his emote lines are "Keep vox clear of unnecessary chatter" and "engaging standard moral boost, For the Emperor"

[dusk patrol]

It’s hilarious

[fallen plaza]

I would personally remove the chest to get rid of any signs of mk6

[dusk patrol]

IH use Mk6

It depends on what you want but the main thing to remove is the symbols

Which isn’t too bad

[fallen plaza]

The ones on the legs look tedious

[spare osprey]

zephon is a great mini for a lot of stuff honestly, i swapped his sword out for a thunder hammer

[dusk patrol]

It’s not too bad

[fallen plaza]

Especially since they overlap with the trim

[paper haven]

It's a pretty good way to characterize a person by making his emotes into what is effectively an anti-emote.

[dusk patrol]

Especially since he’s a centerpiece model

[shell mason]

Fuck I can eat alot of food

[fallen plaza]

Ok

[shell mason]

......

I'm gonna regret this later

[fallen plaza]

Ok

[spare osprey]

just gotta smooth it out a bit, the other is a seperate piece from the leg

[dusk patrol]

It helps with IH too they largely don’t ornament a lot

So removing it is enough

[frail rune]

I don't trust my brother on the right (i'm the Lamenter)

[dusk patrol]

You don’t need to add more or much

[fallen plaza]

That lighting just makes that yellow look thinly layered

Like damn, thats nasty looking

[frail rune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare osprey]

found em

[dusk patrol]

Haar and Garrius are also two I could like to convert to IH

Feels like they’d work well

Haar is super easy

[arctic talon]

Haar is mostly scraping some stuff off

Then he works

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Garrius is a lot more work

But you can keep the chest largely

[arctic talon]

Garrius is a nightmare to convert

[queen laurel]

What's the second richest planet in the imperium after holy terra

[fallen plaza]

I would replace garrius with pollux

[queen laurel]

Like the planet who is second only to the prestige of holy terra

[dusk patrol]

Mars probably

Kinda a boring answer but

Macragge is maybe third

[queen laurel]

You mean the second most prestigious planet in the imperium?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

I mean i get it they do make literally everything the imperium uses

[dusk patrol]

Lucius is probably up there too

And Necromunda

Kinda depends on what you’re looking for but those are all good options I’d say

[queen laurel]

I'm mainly looking at status here

[fallen plaza]

You never know what the next book will say, maybe is the forge planet glurpus shittius

[queen laurel]

Like holy terra is basically the end of beyond

For most people

But like what's considered second place by that metric

[fallen plaza]

If the emperor didnt sat on the goldren throne, it wouldnt be as prestigious as it is now

[queen laurel]

Like in terms of status and influence what's the second planet after terra

[arctic talon]

Mars

[dusk patrol]

Probably Mars, Macragge, Baal

[fallen plaza]

Terra was on the decline during the crusades, as it wasnt really that territorially important

[queen laurel]

Yeah i'm going to lean in with mars

[dusk patrol]

In terms of fame at least

Everyone would know about Mars, Macragge and Baal

[queen laurel]

It's the home world the mech runts

[dusk patrol]

Fame will vary by sector but those worlds everyone would know

[opaque coyote]

Problem is that it's apparently a shitty place to live

Like

Exceptionally shitty even for 40k

[dusk patrol]

Maybe Fenris too

[arctic talon]

Yeah mcragge was a big like

[dusk patrol]

Kinda hard to say

[arctic talon]

Holy site

[fallen plaza]

Thats not the point of the discussion

[arctic talon]

Baal is inaccurately know as where sanguinus was found

But all of the Baal’s are shitholes so it rarely gets pilgrimages

Usually really rich people who barely spend time on baal secundus lol

[opaque coyote]

True

Again, I'd probably state that Mars is a bit more important and "wealthy" as a result

[dusk patrol]

It’s not common marine homeworlds are places you can go anyways

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitty-cat-cat-gif-8943478768003977184

[opaque coyote]

Purely because it makes all the Imperium's shit.

If Mars didn't exist, nearly every single planet in the Imperium's collection would be screwed

[fallen plaza]

Most of them are shitholes too

I would not wanna go to barbaros when it was still was normal

[hallow saddle]

my mate Shogo voices Straban in the game!!

very kool

[dusk patrol]

That’s sick

He did a great job

[chrome tendon]

I was wondering: Any loyalist can become a traitor/heretic and be accepted by chaos but can someone that was never a loyalist, born in the domains of chaos, be accepted to be a loyalist?

[dusk patrol]

Favorite one of the classes

In a very convoluted and rare case; maybe

If they’re somehow not corrupted

[arctic talon]

On the second one assuming they aren’t heavily corrupted yeah

[fallen plaza]

No chaos worshipper in general has been shown to convert to the imperial truth

[dusk patrol]

They could become a Blackshield in the DW

[dusk patrol]

Some have

It’s very rare though

[arctic talon]

It’s incredibly rare

Chaos juice is too good to give up

[fallen plaza]

I always liked the story idea of an undivided sm chaos warlord that was born into chaos, but is like extremely unfaithful and treats it like a formality

[opaque coyote]

Huron is kinda like that

[fallen plaza]

Misses chaos church, doesnt remember scriptures, so it creats conflict within his ranks

[opaque coyote]

He basically does not care about Chaos itself

[dusk patrol]

He’s a chaos warlord

He’s not different from the rest who claim they’re somehow not in the grip of chaos

[opaque coyote]

True. But he isn't like

Ultra religious word bearer level

[dusk patrol]

That’s very common

Very few are that fanatical

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's equivalent to your addicted friend being like

"I can quit anytime I want!"

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[opaque coyote]

destroys liver even more

[opaque coyote]

Also there are like a lot of instances in religion where people like

Go to a confessional booth

Only for the thing they confess to being extremely mundane

[shell mason]

why do you need a amazon gift card

[opaque coyote]

And the Priest is wondering why they even confessing

I wonder how many times this has happened to the Imperium

[arctic talon]

A lot

Lol

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Except the mundane might be an issue for some priests

[shell mason]

Said what I said

[fallen plaza]

“I bathed twice once in the communal sand bath”

[crisp heath]

“Titus! You killed all the heretics! You really are the warhammer 40000! Now you will be reassigned to another front that needs your help, it’s currently being organized by an inquisitor dealing with a nurgle rebellion.”

[rose thorn]

Man every story with the salamanders interacting with any other chapter is so fucking annoying lmao

[opaque coyote]

"FATHER. I HAVE SINNED GREVIOUSLY."

"What is it you've done my child?"

Prepares bolter behind his back

"I-I ACCIDENTALLY SIPPED SISTER ASHLEY'S CUP OF ORANGE JUICE, THINKING IT WAS MY OWN!"

unloads bolter

"Sister... That's not. Why would you even..."

"I JUST. I JUST FEEL SO BAD."

"Just... Just apologize to her."

"THANK YOU FATHER, YOUR GRACIOUS ADVICE IS TRULY OF THE EMPEROR'S WILL!"

sister walks away

"By the Emperor why am I even here..."

[crisp heath]

Which side?

[opaque coyote]

Okay honestly

That would genuinely be really fucking cool

A SM and Darktide crossover would be awesome

Ngl

I don't care if it's fanficy as fuck.

[fallen plaza]

Not the most fanficy thing in 40k

Cant top yarrick

[onyx remnant]

titus proceeds to be stun locked to infinity by dogs and dies tragically

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think Yarrick avoids being fanficy due to his

Relationship(?)

With Ghaz

Mainly because it is genuinely interesting

[opaque coyote]

I thought that I have seen the extent of the enemies of the Imperium.

The insidious hands of Chaos.

The cunning brutality of the Orks.

The strategic mindlessness of the Tyranids.

But nothing could have prepared me...

"FOR THESE FUCKING TRAPPERS. BROTHERS HELP ME!"

Knife Zealot dies from trying to speed run the level

"FUCK!"

My duty is over. Not by the great enemies of the Imperium. But by a bunch of dogs, Ogyrns, and Poxwalkers ganging up on me while a Trapper watches sensually.

Seriously you'd think they would at least have the courtesy to not stare at me like that. I'm beginning to think they're part of Slaanesh instead.

[shell mason]

huh

[crisp heath]

Honestly bro, tyranids warrior duelists vs ogryns would be fun

Especially with darktide melee system

I don’t think our team could beat a carnifex though lol

[arctic talon]

Nah

We’d win

[gray umbra]

Zealot one shot thunderhammer

Weird question, that ulfric from the deathwatch prologue isnt the same one from rt right

Or is it just coincidental

Generic viking name

[crisp heath]

Bio titan’s when they get hit with a veteran crit build

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-cooked-tony-soprano-red-edge-redemption-gif-9297073813328802514

[crisp heath]

Generic

All space wolves are the same anyway

[gray umbra]

True

[arctic talon]

Just another space wolf named the same thing

[crisp heath]

Man Titus gettting killed by getting eaten by a beast of nurgle is so funny

[onyx remnant]

So, what's the deal with psykers? Yes they are gifted individuals who can tap into the immaterium (and it can tap back into them) and use their will to do whatever cooked stuff they got in mind.

But what exactly sets them apart?

[storm jungle]

They got magic powers and if they lose control they can summon daemons

[arctic talon]

They’re born with stronger souls and an affinity for the warp

They’re technically abhumans

But they can reproduce with normal humans unlike most abhumans

And 2 psykers having a kid doesn’t always make a psyker kid

[onyx remnant]

Soul stuff huh

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Some weak psykers never get found out because their powers are so tiny

It’s barely noticeable

At the lower levels a Psyker night just be unusually lucky

Or aware of things going on

[onyx remnant]

What is exactly a soul in the world of 40K?

[arctic talon]

It’s your soul

As in like

You’re both a being of flesh and warp stuff in 40k

The soul helps make up a chunk of you

[onyx remnant]

Since there are those who are basically nulls with no connection to the warp.

[arctic talon]

They have an anti soul

More so then no soul

Blanks souls are still in the warp

As found out by a culuxus in the pariah nexus

Since he feels his soul literally separating from his body

Being cut off from your soul in 40k pretty much puts you into a coma

[onyx remnant]

Interesting, interesting.

[arctic talon]

The Necrons somehow got around that via bio transference

Though some Necrons note they’re essentially a “dead” race

[dusk patrol]

Culexus tend to be the most powerful blanks also and have gear to dampen or supercharge their aura

Sisters of Silence similarly can focus and use their blank aura in various ways

Like igniting their blades with white fire which burns away the soul

[young pecan]

Being so nonchalant you have an aura

[winter vessel]

I just tried the eternal war mode for the first time.

[wintry scarab]

Would it be out of place for a ironhand to have their entire arm painted silver?

[gaunt sable]

As good an explanation of Psyker classifications as any.

Most Humans fall into being Rho or Phi on the Scale.

Omicron through Kappa is very low level of Psychic power to the point where the person is probably not even aware of their powers/abilities and most of the time unconscious uses of their abilities can be chocked up to the person being lucky or having a knack or really good instincts/hunches.

[dusk patrol]

Depends

But largely it’s up to you

[gaunt sable]

These levels are the one's that fall through the cracks the most as it's just really difficult to keep track of someone whose gifts are so subtle and weak.

Iota, Theta and Eta are what Imperial Society more or less considers Psykers. It's at these levels that Psykers start showing up on the Imperiums radar or monitoring and acquistion to throw aboard the Black Ships.

Zeta and Episolon are Psykers with strong abilities and their usually the one's that can cause the most damage if left to their own devices and without any training.

[dusk patrol]

The last bit is arguable too since Malcador and Magnus, although that’s obviously a funny one, arguably were Alpha+

[gaunt sable]

Delta and Gamma level Psykers are both extremely rare and very potent Psykers and usually the one's that survive all of their ordeals are usually insanely powerful and this is at the level where most mortal Psykers are still somewhat 'Normal' cognitively.

Beta is the usual upper limit for what the Imperium is comfortable with training. Their insanely rare given not just the usual genetic lottery that goes into Psyker stuff and the usual shit Psykers go through in the Imperium but also they'd need to survive their own powers and not attract daemons since they burn VERY brightly.

[gaunt sable]

Alpha+ has always been kinda handwavey

[dusk patrol]

In general GW seems to try to avoid giving a lot of the major psykers actual labels of their level

[gaunt sable]

Newer lore has anything over Alpha + start getting into negative categories.

So it starts going backwards.

So Alpha+ would give way to Beta+ then Gamma and Delta+

[dusk patrol]

Which is kinda like giving a level for what happens after you get past infinite money

With how relevant it ever is

[gaunt sable]

Beta+ is the theoretical limit an ordinary Human could potentially reach and have something approaching human cognition/sanity. that is somewhat recognizeable.

[wintry scarab]

Not good enough. Needs to be 100% accurate!

[dusk patrol]

It would be

Iron Hands vary a lot in how much they care about having any decoration or none

Some clans are described as having nothing to tell any rank apart

Some have heraldry and tilting shields and other stuff.

[gaunt sable]

Eeeeeeh.
We have examples, admittedly most of those come from Dan Abnett.
Agun Soric is a Beta level Psyker.
Gideon Ravenor was a Delta or weak Gamma and he fought a rogue Psyker, Kinsky who was probably a full Gamma or even a Beta.

[dusk patrol]

I said major psyker characters

The only major one I can think of is I think Voldus is said to be Beta level

[gaunt sable]

Ravenor is a major Psyker character. :V

[dusk patrol]

He’s not

He’s a major character in a good book series, as a whole he’s a minor character

[gaunt sable]

Well....I don't think I'd call any Inquistor a 'Minor' Character.

Shrugs

:p

[dusk patrol]

There’s literally more inquisitors than there are space marines

There’s endless much more minor inquisitors

Ravenor is a good character, he’s not that important of one in 40k as a whole

He doesn’t have a model, doesn’t show up besides some quotes in books besides his series, isn’t even the most important inquisitor in that series or central character.

also his trilogy was the weakest

I liked it, but it’s the weakest of a good series of trilogies

[gaunt sable]

Eisenhorn and especially Ravenor probably has the best depiction of Psyker abilities in the lore.

[forest orbit]

Its just semantics, dont worry about it.

Alpha as you say is literally just "whatever the author wants at the time", its basically bullshit anyway

[crisp heath]

Are there any xenos that have brought into the imperiums fold or is it all only “abhumans”

[forest orbit]

Whenever they get "brought" in its usually enslavement of some kind.

Its basically a fate worse than death and its largely only been ""attempted"" during 30k.

The first rule with aliens is extermination, only smart people tend to just trade or do other things with them underwraps

[crisp heath]

Ah so tau are the only ones who absorb other races then

[forest orbit]

Yeah pretty much, Tau use actual diplomacy, sometimes scummy sometimes honesty but its very much still diplomacy.

[gaunt sable]

Jokaero

[forest orbit]

Jokaero arent really "brought in"

There are about as many wild ones out there

as the wiki says they are just there and chilling

and if you try to wipe em out you get blasted

[crystal forum]

wait is this the same ravenor in eisenhorn

[gaunt sable]

It still counts.

[dusk patrol]

Sounds like semantics

[forest orbit]

I mean its the lore.

Mr "Its not relevant"

[dusk patrol]

They are brought in though, some are

Not all, and it’s not something all inquisitors even agreed on

[forest orbit]

Sounds like semantics

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[forest orbit]

But anyway yeah they arent subjugated

they are very much just "there"

because well, orangutan lol

[gaunt sable]

Basically Aliens aren't ever really brought into the Imperiums fold except in VERY rare circumstances where a Rogue Trader get's like written permission or something.

Or was it some kind of liscense?

[forest orbit]

Yeah i think the question was more living under imperial rule which is uh

[gaunt sable]

It's been ages.

[forest orbit]

Sanctioning ye

but its basically not existant

[gaunt sable]

They wouldn't live under Imperial rule for long.

[forest orbit]

Pretty much lmao

the only solid example we have is it happening

then like literal months later

they are all sucked to death for rejuvenation material

[crystal forum]

most xenos are bent on being evil shits so it's not like they'd want to fit in anyways

[forest orbit]

They arent really

Xenology shows us there are innocent ones still out there

humanity sucks ass

[crystal forum]

it's why i said most

a lot just worship chaos

[gaunt sable]

The Imperium at literal BEST will ignore alien races that are primitive stoneage types that live on some backwater world no one wants.

[crystal forum]

the minor ones

[forest orbit]

No?

Most are literally just chilling

before they usually get wiped out lol

[forest orbit]

And yeah or just deem it as a "waste"

[crystal forum]

that's the ones during the great crusade

[gaunt sable]

And that's mostly out of a sense of.
"It's not worth the resources and manpower to kill those primitive aliens for a planet we don't want."

[forest orbit]

YEP

[crystal forum]

there's not many peaceful species left in the galaxy

[forest orbit]

I mean they still exist

as per Xenology

which is post-rift

so "not as many" is not really that big of a deal

well that and also people dont wanna read about peaceful aliens

[crystal forum]

2006 book that is out of print

[forest orbit]

NO WAIT I MIXED IT UP

Liber Xenologis

not Xenology

but yeah what i said still applies lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah xenology is largely non canon

[gaunt sable]

The Imperium isn't nearly as massive a galactic power as they like to present themselves.
There are still an absurd number of worlds in the margins of space that will never know the touch of the Imperium or it's heavy hand.

[forest orbit]

yeah not the book im talking about

[dusk patrol]

The liber one is the new one

[forest orbit]

Its largely also cope yeah

both in-universe and out of it lol

[storm jungle]

He's talking about the other book dingus

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drop-gif-23460153

[dusk patrol]

I wish they did more stuff like that

[forest orbit]

It doesnt make money so it doesnt matter in their eyes so

mid 2000's 40k was peak content for misc books

[dusk patrol]

They’re weird about it, like First Founding was amazing and sold out immediately

[crystal forum]

vraks was a misc book series right

[forest orbit]

Ehhhhh no i dont think so

its semi-misc because Forgeworld

but like its also very famous

[dusk patrol]

GW seems to have a big philosophy of not having stuff in stock not being pushed as much as possible

[forest orbit]

well yeah because its space marines

Xenology for example is a lot more creative but its also just an encyclopedia

[dusk patrol]

It’s also just a really well done book

They’re hard to make though

[forest orbit]

Yeah but also space marines

[crystal forum]

at least omnibuses are usually in stock

it's the smaller books that are hard to find

[forest orbit]

those are book-books

you damn nerd

[dusk patrol]

Basically every limited time thing sells out immediately

[forest orbit]

we are talking big fat thick books

i forgot what was the last one we got even

[dusk patrol]

First Founding

[forest orbit]

that explains why i forgot lol

[crystal forum]

dude reading 100 pages in a day burns me out idk how you guys do it

[forest orbit]

yeet

[dusk patrol]

I think at least

[forest orbit]

I just read it on my phone

and uhhh time passes idk

i do it until i fall asleep on my couch

[dusk patrol]

Idk I’ve read since I was a kid

Some days I feel like it more though

I’ve been doing audiobooks more recently

[forest orbit]

It also depends if its physical or not, i cant read ink books because my allergy makes my fingers burn turning pages lol

[dusk patrol]

So I can listen at the gym or work

Oof

[crystal forum]

i cant concentrate on audiobooks unless it has my full attention

then i miss entire chapters

[forest orbit]

Yeah same tho it depends, audio-dramas are easier

with audiobooks i sometimes turn on a game to aimlessly play with no ingame audio clues

that tends to help for me at least

[crystal forum]

i guess i should try with slower books

[dusk patrol]

Audio drama is narrater dependent

[crystal forum]

trying to follow fall of cadia on audio is so hard

[dusk patrol]

But most 40k narrators are good

[forest orbit]

to be fair

that audiobook was so bad

it literally got replaced like

....in a month?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I’ve never seen that happen before

[forest orbit]

which is uh... ive neve rseen that happen before lol

[crystal forum]

no im listening to the good one

[forest orbit]

Yeah that one

[dusk patrol]

I didn’t listen to it but it sounds really bad

[forest orbit]

Literally everyone was complaining

i got a rip from a friend for a single chapter then i realised why lol

fucking irritating as shit

[crystal forum]

i like the narrator but there's so many characters in the book it's hard to follow while doing anything else

[forest orbit]

hey

[crystal forum]

i should try salamanders or something

[forest orbit]

only so many female and marine voices a guy can do

Uhhh you can try i guess

avoid Kyme ones

aka 99% of them

[crystal forum]

weird because the GW store guy told me he loved them

[forest orbit]

Okay see

the point is a employee cant tell you he hates the product

or well he just has no taste

but hey you can buy it and see for yourself, im not your dad

[crystal forum]

nah like he's a salamander fan and stuff

[forest orbit]

oh man

okay that explains it lol

some Sally fans absolutely hate kyme which is the majority but theres ones who like his books because its very much the only things they got

which is fair i guess...

but idk you'd have to put a gun to my head

[crystal forum]

he did recommend me the night lord omnibus which i got

[forest orbit]

yeah see the difference is THAT is peak

even if Night Lords stans can be fucking stupid

[crystal forum]

i need to finish eisenhorn first

so many things to read

[forest orbit]

make a list you dorkass

losing track smh

[leaden pilot]

Goodreads ftw

[forest orbit]

^

a site so useful the authors themselves ask for you to leave reviews so they can read them there

since Black Library provides jackshit

[leaden pilot]

Since I began reading in English earlier this year I've been tracking everything there, and it's nice knowing for an example how many pages you've read in a given month

[forest orbit]

its that videogame counter dopamine

i approve 👍

my phone just shoves me which app i spend the most hours in

and my epub is like 4 hours

lmao

[leaden pilot]

Yup, number go up, brain go happy

[crystal forum]

i used to have so much time to read as a teen lol i probably should start gameifying it

[forest orbit]

Yeah like its hard but you get the hang of it

literally just lie down on your bed and read

open some skyrim ambience in the background or some shit

its cozy

[crystal forum]

see i do it every night but i pass out before reading like 20 pages

[forest orbit]

Yeah i do it mid-day so lol

because I KNOW I will fall asleep otherwise

[leaden pilot]

I've barely read anything the past two years cause of school, but since graduating in may I've read like 21 books lol

[onyx remnant]

I read so much, genuinely if nobody bothers me or I don't have anything to do that day I could catch myself going 8-10 hours with no problems.

[forest orbit]

I am indeed jealous of chronic readers like this lol

[crystal forum]

my brain needs stimulation sadly

[forest orbit]

😔

[leaden pilot]

My trick is reading during the commute to school/gym, that's the one thing I miss from going there by bus instead of driving

[onyx remnant]

Now on the other hand, if I sit my ass down and try to write - it's excruciatingly painful.

[crystal forum]

i WISH i could take the bus

[forest orbit]

yeah welcome to writing lmao

"Man Im gonna write when i get home"

literally does nothing

rip

[onyx remnant]

Slowly getting into it tho.

My goal is to reach 10K a day at least.

[crystal forum]

it's like coding, it looks fun to do but then you realize it's work

[leaden pilot]

If I'm on vacation I average about a book a day
Not having a pc or phone to distract you while reading is a godsend

[forest orbit]

its why i never can sometimes give George Martin shit

people say he hasnt done a book in 10 years

meanwhile i cant fucking open a tab and keep writing on my google doc for 5k words

[crystal forum]

modelling has been taking most of my productive time lately which i wont complain about but i should get on the book grind again

[rocky gale]

Yea, every now and then I'll have bursts of inspiration, but like I've not finished a story in like 10 years

[onyx remnant]

Even with them right next to me it doesn't make a difference, luckily I have no social media that I use - aside from discord so with no notifications or pings there's no distractions.

[dusk patrol]

Hey I also didn’t decide to write a beloved book series that needs a conclusion please

[leaden pilot]

I should get on that modelling grind, I've been procrastinating on painting my second space marine for like over a month now lol

[crystal forum]

oh no i procrastinate on that too. i meant 3d modelling

[forest orbit]

the next book is called A dream of spring for a reason 💀

[rocky gale]

That's not even the next book, it's Winds he's writing right now

[dusk patrol]

Last book will be called Cope and Pray

[crystal forum]

im actually procrastinating on my models at this very moment

[leaden pilot]

Oh that type of modelling
Tried to get into that once, but got bored too quickly

[rocky gale]

That's the real worry it's been over a decade without a book and he's got another one to write afterwards

[onyx remnant]

My current project is called [Adrift in the 42nd Millennium™]

Hopefully I don't procrastinate too much on it by lying to myself that I am doing just research instead of putting pen to paper.

[crystal forum]

it's the only type of art that can keep me hooked for hours and hours. goes to show that everybody has their own desires

[leaden pilot]

Well, I need to find a type of art that will do that for me

[crystal forum]

my trick is to do it right after work so i'm still in the work mood

[dusk patrol]

I partially believe this is part of why lol

[crystal forum]

gotta treat it as work or you'll never get stuff done

[onyx remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-ancestor-gif-21405227

[rocky gale]

Na that wouldn't put him off, because like the book story at this point is so different to the show that even if that's his idea for the end, it would be executed completely differently

[onyx remnant]

Aight too much time spent here, back to my empty word document I go.

[crystal forum]

it took me a long time. basically i tried many things like music, drawing, painting, all that stuff until i found the one that i get the least bored while doing

[dusk patrol]

Eh I think there’s gonna be a lot of similarities but the issue with the show wasn’t like

The core idea of the ending

It’s how they did it

[crystal forum]

also my job lets me learn 3d modelling even more on the side so like it's a win win situation

[rocky gale]

Yea, it also felt really coloured by Weiss and Benioff's personal feelings tbh

Like there are a lot of moments that happened because they wanted to do it

[onyx remnant]

I only got until the 24th to do some good work because after that TFW comes out and I'll get hooked on it.

[leaden pilot]

My main issue I think is extreme lack of confidence in what I do in the art department, and fear to do things completely on my own, without a tutorial or sth

[rocky gale]

Like how Edmure gets told to shut up and sit down by Sansa, because Weiss and Benioff had an irrational hatred for Edmure

[dusk patrol]

Like I could see Dany “turning bad” in a similar way

But it’s gonna be more gradual and done better

[rocky gale]

Yea

and the thing is if she does, Book Tyrion will be egging her on

[dusk patrol]

Yeah book Tyrion will probably die laughing as she burns the city

[wintry scarab]

Another question on iron hands. How are they on purity seals? Yay or nay?

[dusk patrol]

Same as before

[rocky gale]

Like Show Tyrion and Book Tyrion are completely different characters, in the same way Show Jon is completely different to Book Jon

[dusk patrol]

Some do some don’t

Up to you

[crystal forum]

wow that's literally the exact opposite of me. i'm so hard headed that i try to do everything on my own without asking for help and end up getting lost. my psych gave me a lot of tricks to help me with my confidence, it's usually stuff like imaging your previous accomplishments to break the cycle of not feeling good enough

[leaden pilot]

But I think I'll try drawing now that I've bought an Ipad for taking notes at university
Just need to buy something like procreate and I could give it a go in my spare time

[rocky gale]

So two of the three main characters leading up to that ending are totally different and I can assume Dany will also progress to that point in a completely different manner

[crystal forum]

also again treat art like a job, you deserve breaks

dont burn out

[leaden pilot]

The most important step for me I think is to actually start doing stuff and finishing them, then starting new drawings, and so on

[leaden pilot]

i probably won't have too much time in uni so that won't really be a problem I guess

[crystal forum]

yeah that's the most important first step

and never feel like what you do isn't enough

[rocky gale]

Plus like we've no idea how the ||Aegon|| plotline will effect Dany, book Euron is a completely different beast so we don't know what he'll do that will effect her. There's just so many thing

[crystal forum]

even the smallest step is a victory

even if you can only draw once a week

@green loom this bitch here knows what i mean

[green loom]

Do with, then without

[dusk patrol]

I think this is largely the problem too

George doesn't know how to wrap all this stuff up because it now all has to intersect.

[rocky gale]

Yea there are a lot of things plotting against Dany in the books that never happened in the show

Honestly he's been in trouble since like the first book

[crystal forum]

there's an odd amount of talented artists who post here

[rocky gale]

He's very prone to writting himself into corners

and then struggling to connect all the bits

Like the whole thing about how all the character are much younger than he intended them to be because his initial plan involved a 5 year timeskip between books, but then later he realised he couldn't do that because of the way it was written it didn't make sense for all the characters to sit and wait for 5 years.

[crystal forum]

do you guys ever just look at your long strands of flowing red hair in the sunlight and realize how beautiful they are

[rocky gale]

Not on a regular basis no, but that's probably because I'm a brunette

[gaunt sable]

@storm jungle
Waves to Dilara

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

is it irish or scottish who have red hair

[rocky gale]

Both can have red hair

[crystal forum]

i think mine comes from my norman ancestors

[gaunt sable]

The big problem with 40k books is that it feels like 90% of them are entirely about the Space Marines.

I demand Psyker novels!

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo i remember when a friend of mine asked for psyker novels

[rocky gale]

I used to have like singular strands of red hair blended in with the brown

[gaunt sable]

I want to see Grim Dark Wizard Schools!

[storm jungle]

and like... all I could provide was Witchtaker

and uhhh

some fucking book from 2010

💀

[rocky gale]

But then the red ones turned grey

[gaunt sable]

Technically the Ravenor novels.

Also Cadian Blood had a PoV character who was a Psyker.

[crystal forum]

dilara

i have something i must confess

[rocky gale]

Witchbringer mentioned

[storm jungle]

yeah if you want psyker stuff you gotta look for sub-characters in books

[storm jungle]

[gaunt sable]

And then a random space marine novel has some of the best fucking Sanctioned Psykers shit kicking the Tau.

[crystal forum]

i only today learned that a witchfinder is not an inquisitor

[gaunt sable]

Eisenhorn was a Psyker.

[storm jungle]

Lmao dude

yeah witchfinder is more just a fancy title

[gaunt sable]

So his novels also count.

[storm jungle]

some Inquisitors refer to them as such but its like w/e

[crystal forum]

wait

[gaunt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/witch-shes-a-witch-point-witches-witchfinder-gif-17759256

[crystal forum]

so it's not an echlesiarchy title

[rocky gale]

Severina Raine's books have a Psyker character that she's "friends" with

[crystal forum]

because it says so in eisenhorn

[storm jungle]

Uh it has multiple uses since its a very generic title

"you find witches, you are a witchfinder"

its not as solid as say, Interrogator

etc

[gaunt sable]

Off the top of my head the novels that have the biggest Psyker stuff going on are Eisenhorn Trilogy and the Ravenor Trilogy.
Also that Witchfinder/bringer novel that was.....Okay. (Though why the fuck was a member of the Ecclessiarchy running that Campus?)
Blades of Damocles has some amazing Psyker characters and scenes.

But that's like. Fucking it.

[crystal forum]

so your character is an inquisitor?

fuck

[storm jungle]

Oh this isnt a character

i just put the name because it sounded funny at the time

it was during the big purge phase

[gaunt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/maximo-espectacular-dardano-gif-20543542

[storm jungle]

literally

[gaunt sable]

Local Witchfinder

[rocky gale]

She actively hunts Witches in her spare time

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

ye you're more of a kasrkin now

[storm jungle]

had to accept the pfp it was a gift 😭

[storm jungle]

also its akshually WitchBRINGER

extremely creative title i know

[gaunt sable]

It's been ages since I read it. XD

[storm jungle]

bravo Black Library

[gaunt sable]

And it was mediocre.

[storm jungle]

next you'll tell me a novel about the Deathwatch is named Deathwatch

[rocky gale]

You don't get to akshually that, you called it Witchtaker earlier

[crystal forum]

so this munitorum witchfinder is a dan abnet creation?

[gaunt sable]

Like. It definitely wasn't bad.

[storm jungle]

yeah thats warhammer fiction alright lol

[gaunt sable]

Nope.

[crystal forum]

i never heard of them before

[gaunt sable]

Steven Fischer is the author.

[shell mason]

Sup ya'll

[crystal forum]

no im talking about in eisenhorn

[rocky gale]

I enjoyed Witchbringer, thought it was good

[gaunt sable]

It's.....Like. Okay. It's not bad. It's kinda short.

[rocky gale]

Yea

[shell mason]

Good news

[rocky gale]

There's supposedly a sequel in the works

[crystal forum]

eisenhorn is hunted down by a munitorum witchfinder in the second book

[gaunt sable]

It draws a lot from the old TTRPGs a LOT which was nice.

[rocky gale]

The author wants it to be several books

[shell mason]

Was able to get my hands on a sketch book

now I can get back to drawing

LETS GOOOOO

[rocky gale]

He said in a Reddit AMA that he has several books in mind for the character and intends to write them all so long as GW lets him

[storm jungle]

Like i said before dont think about it too much, Witchfinder is such a basic title people come up with that it gets thrown around a lot

[shell mason]

Nah here's a cool title

[gaunt sable]

For every amazing Warhammer novel you get like.

Several by the numbers bolter porn written by a middling author that's the equivalent of fast food of varying quality.
Books that are literally advertisements for the latest batch of plastic crack.
And the occasional crime against literature.

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

and no faction can escape this curse

[shell mason]

Veteran of the first waaaagh

[storm jungle]

NO

[shell mason]

YES

WITCHFINDER

Don't deny me this

[gaunt sable]

Considering the only novels that come out are Imperium focused and of those 90% of them are space marine novels....

[shell mason]

In all seriousness Veteran of the first war would be cool as fuck

[gaunt sable]

What do you mean by, 'No faction escapes this curse'? XD

[rocky gale]

Hey Votann are getting like a singular novel

[storm jungle]

non-space marine novels get this dumbass treatment too

[dusk patrol]

It simueltaneously makes looking books up easy and hard.

[rocky gale]

and Drukhari got a singular novel

[dusk patrol]

Truly, marvelous.

[rocky gale]

Sure it's like 100 pages long, but they got a novel

[storm jungle]

they do it fucking constantly i hate it so much

a novel about Krieg?

[shell mason]

Love my boys of the Lords of Silence

[storm jungle]

lets name it.... Krieg

just fuck off

lmao

[shell mason]

There is some

[dusk patrol]

Can't be like Krieg: ANYTHING ELSE

[gaunt sable]

The last set of Eldar books for example wrapped up in 2011 unless I'm missing something.

[dusk patrol]

Dead Men Walking was cool

[shell mason]

Down amongst the dead men

[dusk patrol]

Do like, Dead Men Tell No Tales or some shit

idk

[gaunt sable]

Black Library is fucking allergic to letting writers explore anything but Space Marines it seems like.

We're lucky to get Guard novels and the occasional Inquistor.

[rocky gale]

This is the most recent Deldar book that came out this year, but like I said it's short

[shell mason]

Down into the fog would be cool krieg book

But that's just me

[rocky gale]

I saw that

[gaunt sable]

Give me fucking novels about Psykers.
Or Arbites Lawmen, Imperial Navy stuff, Stuff about life in the hive cities.

[shell mason]

There is one about nurgle that told you the life of the hive city

[shell mason]

Lies

[gaunt sable]

Not the 50th novel about Captain so and so of the So and So Chapter who grimaces and grunts as he lands killshots on the millionth orc in the thousandth last stand his chapter has done this decade.

As they desperately seek the Macguffin that could destroy the entire sector or reveal his chapters dark secrets or it's their Primarchs old jockstrap the Emperor gave him as a birthday gift or whatever.

And then the novel ends with 75% casualities as the survivors nod at one another and go.
"For the honor of the chapter and for the Emprah." As they destroyed the Macguffin because it was too dangerous to be exist.

[rocky gale]

Damn, are you secretly Dan Abnett?

[gaunt sable]

You know I remember Abnetts Iron Snakes novel as being one of the most unique and interesting space marine novels? Dx

And Abnett wrote that shit.

[rocky gale]

Yooo

Iron Snakes was the first 40k book I ever read

Brothers of the Snake

[gaunt sable]

And then he just started
fucking writing all the horus heresy books and I think my brain started to leak as I struggled to parse out what book fell into what part of the timeline and I had to read next to understand what was going on.

Good Space Marine books exist. But fuck man. BL needs to ease off from it and do something else.

[rocky gale]

Yea, I just never touched HH

Not for me

[gaunt sable]

I started losing track after Flight of the Eisentien.

And stopped shortly after because I'm not buying 50+ books whose reading order is like trying to untangle Christmas lights while drunk.

The first few novels were actually really good I felt.

[opaque coyote]

Bro what if the Horus Heresy was called the Horus Freaky

And instead of all the primarchs fighting each other, they decided to throw a contest to see who gets the most d-

...

ducks

https://tenor.com/view/duck-waddle-gif-12573743802001671415

[onyx remnant]

That's enough discord for today

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cigarette-mari-tachibana-anime-girl-gif-26099292

[crystal forum]

what's your favorite 40k tank

[onyx remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-gif-23184588

[crystal forum]

mine is the leman russ because i lack originality

[rocky gale]

I guess the Castigator

[crystal forum]

interesting choice

blinged up predator

[rocky gale]

Na it's our totally unique vehicle

Exorcist and Immolator are also good

[storm jungle]

love to see it

[storm jungle]

I hate the new glass-panel on the immolator so much

the WW2 bomber gunner thing was great

[rocky gale]

Na

[storm jungle]

shut up

[crystal forum]

it's like they were given a rhino centuries ago and they've been upgrading it ever since

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

it deffo has the bling game won

[rocky gale]

Yea all Sororitas vehicles are just an upgraded Rhino

I fully expect when we get a flyer, it's literally just going to be a Rhino with wings

Or maybe a helicopter blade

[dusk patrol]

Castigator? I hardly knew her!

[storm jungle]

BDSM-ahh name

[dusk patrol]

The Kinkyinator was taken sadly

[storm jungle]

OH YEAH fuck you reminded me

I love how with the update they had years ago

they made the Repentia Mistress into Repentia Superior

hmmm curious

[dusk patrol]

Dominator Mistress would have been a better shift

[green loom]

Literally barely missing anything

[rocky gale]

TBH the Repentia redesign was like one of the only things I didn't like about the Sororitas refresh

[wintry scarab]

Any significance to this symbol? Is it like a specific campaign badge?

[storm jungle]

basically signifying hes an executor

its uhhh not much else i think

classc "skull in dagger means i kill people"

[green loom]

I watched the Ultramarines movie

[storm jungle]

lol

[onyx remnant]

If only Dorn was back instead of the bluey smurf, we'd be winning hand over fist at this point ||no pun intended||

[rocky gale]

Like I completely agree with getting rid of the outright BDSM gear, but they could have kept some of the more stylistic elements of the Repentias design

[storm jungle]

Yeah fetishistic stuff is fine to keep but its only girls in the army

its easier to do with Hedonites when its like both guys and girls being skimpy lol

it looks less coomer

[rocky gale]

I mean more like the veils and skirts , like the new design has some of it but it feels less iconic

[gaunt sable]

How are you supposed to fire at anything? >.>

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

idk tech bullshit go

[green loom]

The Emperor guides your flames, aiming is optional

[rocky gale]

Like the one of the left feels like a punishment, while the one on the right just seems like they forgot their armour

[green loom]

The righteous will be untouched, the sinners shall burn!

[rocky gale]

Like they're just wearing their PE kit

[storm jungle]

My only complaint with the new models was the bodysuits are great but they are bland as shit.

They REALLY should have kept the red robes ontop of them

best of both worlds

[rocky gale]

Yea I want a more covering design that keeps the iconic stylish bits

[gaunt sable]

Boots? Maybe? I dunno it doesn't look bad. Just less red.

[rocky gale]

Also yea

Boots

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

basically it has no highlights

when you are painting these all you get is like...

well just the bodysuit lol

[gaunt sable]

How do you tech bullshit stained glass? :v

[crystal forum]

guys frostpunk 2 is coming in 5 days FYI

[storm jungle]

beats me 😔

[storm jungle]

yooo i love getting frostbite

[rocky gale]

Don't need to aim much with a flame thrower

Just hold down the triggers and burn

[crystal forum]

can't wait to get OIIIIIL

[gaunt sable]

I mean. Their running into an active combat zone without their armor.
That's kind of a punishment that risks grievous to lethal consequences. :v

[rocky gale]

Yea, I guess I'm just missing the like ceremonial feel of it being a punishment

[storm jungle]

yeah just needs the robes

but eh ill live

[gaunt sable]

https://youtu.be/3kwK3m261Mw?si=VN3jpxvblRt9gTTt

Heave Lads! Hi Lads!

[rocky gale]

Because like this is just what we wore in school when we were playing sports

[old acorn]

Some of the dialogue from psykers in Darktide would heavily suggest that the "beloved" that they're constantly yammering about is indeed the Emperor himself, is that right? If so, I find it hilariously ironic.

[rocky gale]

Feels less special

[green loom]

We dunno

There's like 4 possibilities

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

They're imagining it, it's an entity pretending to be emps, it's actually emps or it's just some random entity that we think is the emperor but isn't

[storm jungle]

Most point away from it being a daemon though because whoever the Seer is talking to legit wants to help him/her, the team and the mission itself lol

like even down to when you use the shield ability them saying its a good idea

It DOES sometimes act hostile against the other players but the Seer tells it off lol

[gaunt sable]

Considering the GEOM's consciousness is like in thousands of pieces and all trying to manage shit across the Imperium I can buy one of them is talking to the Psyker

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

its not impossible its a shard of the Emperor either

like we got canon example of Him talking to random ass people in books lol

well "talking" its mostly actual visions but yeah

[old acorn]

I best like the idea that it's the Emperor, very much because it's very funny if that's the case.

[storm jungle]

Yeah it also adds up to all the "positive" aspects it seems to be conveying lol

[gaunt sable]

I mean. The Emperor is a bit of a dick. >.>

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but his brain is also literally shattered so hey 💀

[gaunt sable]

We don't even know if the Psyker is always talking to the same Shard.

One minute he could be talking to one of the more friendly/benevolent aspects

And another he gets one of the more dickish aspects.

[potent karma]

I've completely forgotten how chill Ordo Xenos Inquisitors are in comparison to the rest of the Inquisition. Remember that one Inquisitor that tried to brand Ultramarines Chief Librarian as corrupted?

[storm jungle]

Oh hell no they are NOT chill lmao

they find someone harboring a xenos artifact they'll sometimes raze an entire fucking planet

[gaunt sable]

Well.

I mean.

It depends.

[storm jungle]

[old acorn]

Part of me really wants to see an alternative path of 40k where the Emperor is somehow revived. I just think it would be very interesting to see what would happen.

[storm jungle]

It'll happen at some point dont worry lol

[gaunt sable]

Eisenhorn was a member of the Ordo Xenos

[storm jungle]

Hes more or less slowly becoming a god

[storm jungle]

yeah but thats Abnett being Abnett

where none of the books have anything to do with aliens

💀

[dusk patrol]

Iirc its a Reiver/Vanguard thing

[green loom]

No less corpses that's for certain

Kind of a package deal with brutal visionary tyrants

[old acorn]

So he's slowly becoming a god, and it's very likely that he'll find a way to be reborn or whatever; and it's either canon or widely accepted that the Emperium is going to fall apart at some point.

How likely is it that the Emperor gets up and just goes to reunite all the lost human worlds for a second time lmao

[gaunt sable]

Abnett does seem to go.
"Okay. People actually need to LIVE in this godawful universe. It can't just all be a Grim Derp Theme Park ride for 160 pages where the average citizen is subsisting off starved rats and sewage before going in for his 18 hour shift at the Manufactorum and his 3 hour mass to praise the Emperor before getting spat on by the Priest and for the the Authorities to announce the daily lottery for who gets made into a Servitor and for the Citizen to get home for his three hour nap before his next shift and talk about how good a day it was before the Arbites break down his door to beat him as per custom because we can't let the citizens get too soft by having 'good days' afterall."

Folks like Abnett and Mitchell go.
"Yeah no. Humans have a breaking point and have to live in these places. We need to tone down the grim derp down."

[onyx remnant]

I've always feared that if it's truly brought back to "life" whatever emerges from the throne wouldn't be what first sat on it.

[crystal forum]

it's weird seeing people paying rent and having lives in abnett books after reading other gruesome space marine stuff lol

[storm jungle]

Well yeah theres gotta be some calmer moments lol

then the arbites kick in and kill them

😩

[arctic talon]

18 hour shifts aren't that grimderp

tbh

a human can absolutely fucking survive doing that

they'll just die young lol

[dusk patrol]

Someone’s gotta keep the factory going on the tiramisu planet

[dense dawn]

Does the warhammer fantasy have an emperor of mankind?

[arctic talon]

it has an emperor

but not like

[dusk patrol]

Also a god

[arctic talon]

the way 40k does lol

[dusk patrol]

Not the same person

[dense dawn]

Oh

[arctic talon]

The Emperor in WHFB is just a dude

Karl Franz

[dusk patrol]

Karl Franz

[arctic talon]

Now granted he's very good at his job

[dusk patrol]

He can summon elector counts

And marshal the men

[arctic talon]

and also a much less terrible person

[dense dawn]

And actually has a war hammer I assume

[arctic talon]

yeah

he's got a warhammer

the Warhammer in fact lol

Ghal Maraz

[onyx remnant]

He fought 40K men before getting the Warhammer.

[dense dawn]

This dude as powerful as big E?

[arctic talon]

No

[arctic talon]

he's just a dude

[dense dawn]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

Hes got a big birb though

His armor is also mithril and he's a good fighter

[arctic talon]

Karl Franz is pretty good at fighting, a pretty good strategist

[dense dawn]

Do psyker exists in this?

[arctic talon]

and an excellent statesmen

wizards do

[gaunt sable]

The point is that some BL authors realize that humans actually kinda sorta need to live in the Imperium.
Too many Black Library Authors use their books to try and shock the audience with more and more grim dark. Because the audience is constantly building up a tolerance for gratuitous grimderp.
So their books turn into little theme park rides meant to shock the audience with just how fucked every level of Imperial society is.

[dusk patrol]

Fantasy is, different

[arctic talon]

meh

warhammer crime is better

for showing the 40k universe

[dense dawn]

I'm just getting into vermintide

[arctic talon]

it sells how awful the imperium is

[dense dawn]

Tryna make connections

[arctic talon]

without getting comical

There are no connections but chaos gods and daemons

tbh

[onyx remnant]

Too bad the vermintide world simply got wiped out

[dusk patrol]

Basically theres a lot more a normal dude could do in Fantasy technically

Than in 40k.

[arctic talon]

Orcs in WHFB are also like really boring

and they throw shit at you

as in like literal shit

[dense dawn]

What the hell

[onyx remnant]

My beloved U5 all dead.

[arctic talon]

they might have "lived"

[gaunt sable]

And as they ratchet up the grim dark it increasingly gets to levels of fucking stupidity where it's not even remotely believable that the Imperium doesn't collapse immediately.

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

Technically we don't know

[onyx remnant]

Gone, reduced to atoms.

[arctic talon]

again, read warhammer crime.

imo

its the best show case of the imperium on the average hiveworld

by far

[green loom]

Don't forget the other Warhammer 40000 from the Ultramarines movie

[green loom]

Be gay, do Warhammer crime

[arctic talon]

I forgot that was the fucking mcguffin

it literally was just a fancy thunderhammer

wasn't it

[gaunt sable]

Because the Imperium is increasingly written as being dysfunctional to the point where the cruelty, callousness and Idiocy have to be intentional malice.

[green loom]

The Macguffin is technically the blank codex that's actually a warp portal

[arctic talon]

not really?

its gotten less awful writing wise

imo

[green loom]

The Warhammer is definitely there just for the namesake

[dense dawn]

Everything is so comically bad in 40k

[arctic talon]

fucking Necromunda

[dense dawn]

Everything just blows hard and I love it

[arctic talon]

used to be considered the average hive world

which like

GW stopped doing

because the average lifespan on Munda was like

22 years or some shit

[onyx remnant]

Is Roboute even doing anything about the shitty state in which the administratum and pretty much all other sectors are finding themselves in?

[arctic talon]

He can't do anything

he's tried

[dense dawn]

Didn't he go into like a depresso

[arctic talon]

its really fucking hard when its 1 person

versus thousands of years of institutionlized bullshit

galaxywide

[languid meadow]

anytime writers try to do lifespans they're so comically bad

like ultramar being 30

[dense dawn]

Bro took a look at the state of the imperium and lost all hope

[onyx remnant]

If even the son of the fuckin emperor himself can't change a thing then we're truly fucked.

[green loom]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Vargaunta's average lifespan is like a pretty reasonable 50 something lol

[dense dawn]

Fret not, jaghatai is going to save us

[onyx remnant]

Rogal Dorn would've succeed tho.

[green loom]

Bureaucracy is bad on like, town levels

Imagine the monolithic level of bureaucracy the administratum operates

[dense dawn]

Is there like a non evil group in 40k

[arctic talon]

no

[dense dawn]

What about the tau

[green loom]

Not really unless you write one

[onyx remnant]

Hope you like brainwashing

[arctic talon]

the Tau are a oligarchic hellhole

[green loom]

Better than the imperium
But that's like, a bar on the floor

[arctic talon]

who have a fuck ton of propaganda

and """Re-education""" camps

[dense dawn]

To be fair we have imperium

[arctic talon]

the bar is on the floor

[dense dawn]

Oh...

[green loom]

And they're like 2 cm above it

[onyx remnant]

You know, the least evil of them all are the orks.

Simple as.

[green loom]

Okay maybe a bit higher just on flat quality of life

[green loom]

Orks are actively malicious

[dense dawn]

Nah you're right
They're the only faction with no hatred

[green loom]

And very, very, VERY cruel

[onyx remnant]

They just wanna give a good ol krumping

[dense dawn]

Exactly

[onyx remnant]

Doesn't matter exactly who is at the receiving end.

[arctic talon]

the orks don't hate

[dense dawn]

They do what they like not out of hate or anything they just do

[arctic talon]

but that doesn't make their actions like

not evil

[dense dawn]

I don't thinks orks is evil

[green loom]

They do it because they actively enjoy it

[arctic talon]

^

[dense dawn]

Are there any emperor loving orks I wonder

[onyx remnant]

It's a basic need of theirs, you don't get mad at humies for eating now do you?

[dense dawn]

I wish to stock up on corpse starch

[onyx remnant]

They love him so much they can't wait to fight the 900 feet tall golden humie.

Hopefully they never reach terra and get disappointed.

[rocky gale]

Well if we can't get mad at people for doing what they need to do then we can't judge the Drukhari either

[dense dawn]

No fuck them

Not because of what they do but Becuase they're elves

[rocky gale]

But they need to torture you

[arctic talon]

its not a basic need to torture

the burny dance is not a need

its a want

[dense dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[arctic talon]

orks do it because they find it funny to cover someone in gas and light them on fire

[dense dawn]

Well sometimes it is

[onyx remnant]

Living in the moment

[green loom]

Please stop my funny levels can only get so low

[dense dawn]

They do a bit of trolling

[dense dawn]

Found the pointy ear

[arctic talon]

This is the most overdone joke and it doesn't even apply to Eldar and squats in 40k

its funny if it makes sense

smh

[dense dawn]

Ain't eldar elves tho

[storm jungle]

Get an original joke