40k-lore-chat

[surreal nest]

NO ROOM FOR ANY MINIATURES

[crystal forum]

paint your fucking baneblade

[surreal nest]

COULDNT EVEN DREAM OF IT

[rose thorn]

play sons so you only have 3 minis lol

[crystal forum]

speaking of which i completely fucked up the primer spray on my land raider

i did not expect large models to be so difficult

[queen laurel]

@rose thorn are you gonna get this when you want to add more things to your gloom spites

[rose thorn]

id otn like this model or the bloodbowl hob goblins

[queen laurel]

he is a hob goblin

[rose thorn]

yeah

[crystal forum]

i really need to buy myself a spray pen

man why is this hobby so hard

[rose thorn]

spray pen?

[crystal forum]

spray thingy

[rose thorn]

air brush?

[crystal forum]

yes

very hard to work with spray can

[hallow plover]

I love brush on primer

[crystal forum]

i started by doing that but having to constantly prevent the primer from pooling is way too tedious for me

[hallow plover]

Which brand did you use? I haven't experienced pooling problems

The stuff shrinks

[crystal forum]

vallejo

[hallow plover]

Weird I use the same

Black color

[crystal forum]

it shrinks but it doesnt want to stay on surfaces

[hallow plover]

Gesso works too

[crystal forum]

like it keeps sliding off

[hallow plover]

On large flat surfaces sometimes

I sometimes put a second coat if I still see grey plastic showing

[crystal forum]

do you thin the primer

[hallow plover]

Nope

[crystal forum]

ooooooh

[hallow plover]

Straight out of the bottle

[crystal forum]

i might be thinning stuff too much

[hallow plover]

I shake it for 2 mins then I drop it in a dry palette

I only pay attention to bubbles forming

Those can ruin the priming

[crystal forum]

yeah bubbles are annoying

votaan killteam has grudge mechanic

i find that funny

[queen laurel]

They're warhammer dwarves

what did you expect

[crystal forum]

tomorrow we get space marines

[crystal forum]

you shoot them and you just piss them off

[small grail]

Gonna make horus come back

I will cause a second heresy

(Jk)

[storm jungle]

If only

[small grail]

Say no more

Im gonna make a second heresy

[storm jungle]

[unique plinth]

This is the best summary/debunking of the Female Custodes controversy I have ever seen ! Really worth watching !!
Credit to Counterpoints40K on YouTube.

[storm jungle]

The lore for female space marines has never made any sense because we are in a universe where everything is pseudo-science with no ties to realistic gene-editing. It simply however should remain because 40k fans are awful and its way too late into the setting to really change in any way and thats fine tbh.

Female custodians are a much better fix to that situation.

but also "men and males deserve their own safe space" is such a weird sentence

[unique plinth]

I uploaded the video 4 min ago, its length is 7 in a half, you cleary didnt even bother to watch it before responding.

[storm jungle]

Im 4 minutes in dingus.

He literally says what i did in the first 2

[celest dome]

That sound more like someone trying to give credit to the 'controversy'

[shadow plover]

rejects the representation argument without even considering that the space marines are the cover book faction with the most presence in everything gw publishes

[celest dome]

Like for most people the Fem Custodes isn't about being Woke, it's just not a problem

[outer wave]

^

[hallow plover]

Can someone give me a tl:dr. I will forget this video exists by the time I come home

[outer wave]

Its a non issue thats been blown way the fuck up

[shadow plover]

also using AI art automatically disregards any argument one could make

[outer wave]

True!!!

[celest dome]

Dude put the 2 sides as Wokehammer vs 'Chudhammer'
nothing really more is needed to known

[storm jungle]

I tried watching it but im kinda losing the plot once he goes into "most wars in real life were 90% waged by men"

[small grail]

Kinda my whole shtick to make warhammer what if lore and its fun gotta say

[shadow plover]

he goes later onto how it is somehow anti white anti men idea

[celest dome]

Same, Custodes and even SM are so far removed from biology that it's meaningless

[storm jungle]

oh

Yeah like this isn't a complex subject.

[shadow plover]

dude's a joke

[storm jungle]

Female Astartes are just not gonna happen because its too set in stone and thats fine, female custodians are just a better replacement of the idea, it also helps that custodians both male and female are pretty much superior to astartes lol

I just hate it when people try to rationalise it

[queen laurel]

Me when the challenge is being conservative about lore and my opponent is a warhammer fan

[storm jungle]

"oh because female recruits dont work"

Well yeah because nonsense lore lol

and custodians are made with "gene-alchemy"

[green loom]

The scarcity of marine recruits is kinda artificial in 40k and a part of the gung ho regressive tradition shit they pull and has little to do with hard men (they literally kidnap children)

[storm jungle]

its all pseudo-science jargon

[storm jungle]

Its weird because he says space marines are for "angry angsty teens" like hes acknowledging your point then goes into this weird male-supremacy nonsense

[celest dome]

Power armour and Marine physiology is built around the masculine fantasy
Dilara, of course you don't have big armoured fantasy
Yours are the cloth armour and sneak of elfs

[outer wave]

Wait how in the hell is femstodes anti-white?

[queen laurel]

People are like what's the point of making them girls if they aren't attractive like what

is that all there is the woman being attractive?

[storm jungle]

I guess he kinda forgot about fallout

or like, the most famous power-armor user in fiction with Samus 💀

[shadow plover]

I honestly lost the plot when he went on with that argument

[green loom]

TBF something being masc coded doesn't actually negate women!

[queen laurel]

People are stupid

[shadow plover]

warhammer is now anti white... because of bloke...

[green loom]

Unless you look at it as masc = man exclusively like I assume that dude does

[storm jungle]

Same. I legit just assumed the video was gonna be

"This argument is stupid, Astartes should just remain as men because the lore is too set in stone and now we finally got a female transhuman dynamic with custodians which everyone can enjoy."

then i realised after 4m its just nonsense

now we just need Eternal to come in and say his one-liner

then the circle is complete

[hallow plover]

I don't know what you were expecting

[outer wave]

Dont worry, I got Eternal

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS

LETS MOVE ON

PLEASE

[storm jungle]

"WHO CARES"

[green loom]

Also wokehammer isn't a thing

Unless you count Inkary's tag

[shadow plover]

I will make it thing if these kinds of videos keep popping up

[green loom]

Chudhammer is an adopted term by the worst people in the community

[queen laurel]

OK fine i will get the Eternal-Argumentinator, but you owe me 50 bucks for this

[storm jungle]

Which she also put up just to be a troll (which is based)

[green loom]

Based

[outer wave]

Anyway is watering a tree ent/tree spirit be considered an insult to them or would they appreciate the extra nutrients?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[celest dome]

Boys and men crave these kinds of stories, they need these stories
Bruh, I never craved to be the big beastly dude that fought like a SM
Like at most one of the normal fighter, those that are stuck in a hopeless place but still show familiarity, that fight for their loved ones
SM are an anti thesis on what I would fantasise on

[storm jungle]

Ents seem pretty nice to me?

[green loom]

I love how he frames it entirely as a twitter thing lol

[opaque coyote]

White Emperor Worshipping Men are gonna be replaced by Tall, muscular, sweaty, dark skinned Heretics fr

[storm jungle]

i dont know if they would be offended by you literally feeding them lol

[opaque coyote]

[green loom]

Which to be fair was basically the only place that didn't ban most of these people since they lack basic anti-harrassment rules

[queen laurel]

i'm like the stereotypical guy that likes orks in warhammer but you don't see me complaining about woman

Because an orc doesn't care about someone's gender they just kill

[outer wave]

Well, considering from what I know of the forests in Warhammer fantasy, they seem almost always angry and not keen on people in general

[storm jungle]

OH WARHAMMER

Yeah no it will fucking kill you

[outer wave]

Those sound cool though

[storm jungle]

the trees in warhammer are literally nazis

LMAO

[outer wave]

God damn tree nazis....

[storm jungle]

and Durthu is HITLER

[celest dome]

@unique plinth I'll be honest for the whole channel
This youtuber is an incel as 4:55 show

[queen laurel]

i love the fact that, yeah ents are nice, oh are you talking about warhammer version?, yeah it will ******* kill you in the most violent way you know

[opaque coyote]

Isn't the entire point of the Imperium that it is the worst regime in mankind's history

[storm jungle]

But tree spirits in warhammer essentially hate all forms of life that isnt a tree of some kind

like hilariously so

[green loom]

Don't mention the Dryads

[storm jungle]

they are so racist its goofy

YEP

Dryads are fucked up

they will kill elves and humans

they dont care

dwarves too for extra

[green loom]

It goes on into AoS too

[opaque coyote]

Even animals

[green loom]

Like the one horror story

[outer wave]

The trees really do speak slurs in tree....

[opaque coyote]

Like just regular animals

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

Where some guys are lost in a forest

But they notice something's wrong, since it's so quiet

[storm jungle]

like theres a bretonnian book where a dryad just lures a innocent woman to the edge of the woods using magical glamor just to kill her

[celest dome]

Oh god he is a cop

[green loom]

The sylvaneth killed everything that breathed in the forest

[storm jungle]

yeah woodland spirits are evil af

its great

[outer wave]

The youtuber guy?

[outer wave]

Jesus Christ

[celest dome]

Yes

[outer wave]

Ooof

[opaque coyote]

"Oh hey Dryad how is it going?"

"YOU STUPID [REDACTED] I'M GOING TO TURN YOU INTO FUEL"

Need to read that rulebook EliteWolf gave me fr

[queen laurel]

i don't know what possessed Alarielle to put drycha in a megazord but let me tell you it's definitely working

[green loom]

Oh he's one of those fence sitters

[celest dome]

6:06

[opaque coyote]

Good thing I ain't black

[hallow plover]

I've always prefered to play regular dudes than the powerful ones. More satisfying to surpass the odds than living the power fantasy

[opaque coyote]

Would get shot otherwise

Police moment

[outer wave]

Fuckin' smooth skins walkin' close to my canopy

[queen laurel]

police officers finding out about the black sea

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357590942209015808/1166692418540810240/WERE_COMING_OUT_OF_THE_13th_BLACK_CRUSADE_WITH_THI_15bwowe-1.mp4?ex=66e41afc&is=66e2c97c&hm=e39c6035dfcb88f97b2f65069b502f260554e702abed366979b33afdaa8aa2ec&

[opaque coyote]

BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BA-

[outer wave]

Wargaming GF.....

[hallow plover]

Discord won't load the video 💀

[celest dome]

Survival never really was the question in my fantasies, it's just finding a worthy cause to die for, like I remeber reading Gemmel, and while you follow the protagonist, which is a hero, you still witness the nobless of those that know they'll die, yet still fight for their family, for their homes

[hallow plover]

I'll try tonight on my desktop

[snow fern]

Just being some guy in 40k's got a better vibe

[fallen plaza]

Sort of a related note, we seriously need more sm art of them doing last stands, I am such a sucker for art like that, and some of the most iconic Warhammer art are last stands

[storm jungle]

Some do exist its just not that big in scale ala Crimson Fists

[shadow plover]

normal human BORING me want peculiar

[storm jungle]

trust me because I collect these official artworks like a true autistrooper

[snow fern]

I mean being a psyker is just being a normal person but satan likes you more

[fallen plaza]

Well clearly it's not enough

[hallow plover]

Based

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[fallen plaza]

I remember a friend of mine hated guard because of how much it reminds him of work as a military dude

[snow fern]

That's valid

[green loom]

It's also total ass to draw

[opaque coyote]

Fair honestly

[queen laurel]

I JUST WANT TO BATTER THE LARGEST THING I CAN INTO A GOEY RED PASTE

[hallow plover]

That's understandable

[shadow plover]

ONLY reason I like the guard is because of the tanks they have, I was a tank driver

[storm jungle]

bruh

my guy performing high tier guardcism

wtf

[snow fern]

Do Guard tanks all have tea machines like the british did?

[celest dome]

You see thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTz7EAYLrs&pp=ygUQZHdhcmYgYXJteSBtb3ZpZQ%3D%3D

This is by all amount a hopeless charge, but one worth dying for

[fallen plaza]

There not technically tea machines? Just glorified microwaves

[outer wave]

Its such a good moment in the movie

[celest dome]

This is what's awesome, and what by all account lack for me to the SM

[snow fern]

Emperor blessed us with recaf

[snow fern]

Fuck I love the lotr movies

[hallow plover]

I would get guard models if I ever started playing a new faction. ||for genestealers ||

[snow fern]

DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[queen laurel]

CITIES OF SIGMAR STAND YOUR GROUND

[green loom]

Do you have any documents to leak to the War Thunder forums

[opaque coyote]

YO LISTEN UP HERE'S A STORY

ABOUT A LITTLE GUY THAT LIVES IN A BLUE WORLD

AND ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT AND EVERYTHING HE SEES IS JUST BLUE LIKE HIM INSIDE AND OUTSI-

[fallen plaza]

Maybe I might consider 40k if solar aux get added

[shadow plover]

I used to

[queen laurel]

bro you're insulting jerk

[fallen plaza]

Which is never so I'm betting on it

[queen laurel]

he's not that EVIL

[green loom]

It's not evil smh

[fallen plaza]

Leaking documents is a moral right

[green loom]

You know the age old saying, be gay do crime

[snow fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuR3KW77vM

I don't play War Thunder, but I respect the grind

[fallen plaza]

You shouldnt

[shadow plover]

https://imgur.com/gNUmGlo

I've got this

[storm jungle]

yoooo

[fallen plaza]

Hell yeah

[storm jungle]

warthunder

https://tenor.com/view/friend-war-thunder-war-thunder-war-thunder-friend-gif-25844324

[outer wave]

For a moment I thought they were going to touch tips

[storm jungle]

this gif is gay btw

[storm jungle]

AYO WHAT THE FUCK

[snow fern]

People never stop playing with their toys

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

WHAT

TANKS ARE ALLOWED A LIL TIP TOUCHING

[fallen plaza]

THAT'S FUCKING GAY

[outer wave]

LET THEM BE

[hallow plover]

It's just a friendly poke

[outer wave]

THEY'RE TANKS

[fallen plaza]

AS IN HOMOSEXUAL

[queen laurel]

and?

You're more gay than a rainbow colored penguin

[shadow plover]

I can't find the tank dapping video 😔

[fallen plaza]

What does that even mean

[outer wave]

Shes more gay than a rainbow colored penguin exactly what he said

[snow fern]

I think it's about that report of gay penguins adopting orphan chicks or something

the birs are gay zimmer

[queen laurel]

figure it out yourself

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[green loom]

Me looking at the nice and fair GPU prices in my country

[fallen plaza]

I could write a thesis on that statement, it's dripping with symbolism

[opaque coyote]

Only 4302 euros

[green loom]

300 euro card abroad
Over a thousand locally

[shadow plover]

found it

[hallow plover]

Wat. Is the euro market really that fucked?

Thats like 1 gazillion maplebuck

[green loom]

No just the Serbian one

[snow fern]

Damn, I can't believe they still got merge lanes in the desert

[green loom]

50% import taxes on cards plus late-blooming crypto miners lol

[green loom]

Fancy tonks

[fallen plaza]

Didn't know you were a serb

Zased

[queen laurel]

damn what tank you riding

[green loom]

No, I'm worse

[shadow plover]

Leopard 2A6

[green loom]

I'm a

[dusk patrol]

I’ll take 12 of everything

[queen laurel]

gotta admit that looks sick

[shadow plover]

it had it's moments

[fallen plaza]

Unbelievable

[green loom]

It's like a cooler abrams ngl

[dusk patrol]

Bah

[shadow plover]

it is the very much cooler Abrams

[opaque coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033420008694501389/1277649155866492948/attachment.gif

The small tank

[queen laurel]

i have to admit yeah this looks cool

[dusk patrol]

Now this, is a cooler Abrams

[opaque coyote]

That looks cool

[queen laurel]

the **** is this the tank form of megatron

[dusk patrol]

It’s the next generation of Abram’s

Abrams X because of course it’s called that

The future is here bitch

[outer wave]

Was it made by X?

[green loom]

Abrams Twitter????

[outer wave]

Tweeting Abrams....

[opaque coyote]

I mean Twitter can be used against your brain

The next step is to use it as a weapon

[dusk patrol]

It’s also got an electric battery funnily enough to let it run without fuel using solar power

Let’s it be much more efficient and longer lasting

Since most tanks are such gas guzzlers

[opaque coyote]

Hopefully it doesn't have the flaw of the Cybertruck with it's batteries

[dusk patrol]

Also environmentally friendly as it blows apart your living room

[opaque coyote]

But tbf the US Military Industrial Complex probably has

Actual engineers

Instead of Elon Musk

Guiding the development

[shadow plover]

Me and the gang next to a ||simulation ||wrecked Abrams

[fallen plaza]

Beautiful

[opaque coyote]

God imagine if Tesla made Tanks

Jesus christ

[outer wave]

Most broken down tanks we'd get

[fallen plaza]

I prefer not to dwell on musk hate because its so over saturated right now

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[green loom]

Cybertruck trying to cross the road

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-car-explosion-explode-fire-gif-14275311

[dusk patrol]

Cyber truck is stupid, other Tesla cars are honestly great

[opaque coyote]

Tesla cars are competently made.

They have some flaws. But in general they're electric cars

[dusk patrol]

I’d get one in a heart beat if I could afford that, they’re not without issues but so is every car

[green loom]

Pressing the wrong button in the cybertruck

https://tenor.com/view/travis-fran-healy-aiwtdir-all-i-want-to-do-is-rock-explode-gif-27533647

[dusk patrol]

Cyber truck is an example of “why cars don’t look like this”

Why do all modern cars look the same? Cause that’s a really good and safe design

People don’t like dying in car accidents, more at 5

[outer wave]

I just know it has alot of technical issues but I didnt know its chassis had accident-related incidents

[fallen plaza]

I prefer to increase my odds of dying so i can look cool

Not with the cybertruck though

[opaque coyote]

Basically the reason why cars kinda look the same is because it's the safest

[fallen plaza]

Didn’t he just explained that

[opaque coyote]

The Cybertruck has no crunch

If you get into a car crash

Your odds of living are even worse

[dusk patrol]

Yeah old cars used to tank the hit

Which was bad for your body inside

So new cars crumple

[green loom]

iirc quality control is horseshit so you get stuff like the pedal being bad and getting stuck

[dusk patrol]

Anyways it’s like the Delorean

It’s cool but it’s not practical

It’ll be a collectors piece

[outer wave]

Oh okay yeah fair

[fallen plaza]

If i had fuck you money to where i can just have another car just for joyriding

I would get a morgan three wheeler

[dusk patrol]

If I had fuck you money I’d buy one cause it looks cool and maybe drive it a bit for basic stuff

I’ve seen a couple irl they do look cool

But it’s not a real truck

[fallen plaza]

Most trucks nowadays arent real trucks

[outer wave]

It actually doesnt carry much of anything IIRC

[dusk patrol]

Eh plenty do the job people just don’t buy them for that

Also a lot of way too small truck beds

[opaque coyote]

Honestly even if I had fuck off amounts of money

I wouldn't buy it

I would be terrified if it

[fallen plaza]

As stupid as it is

[outer wave]

Im good with my grandma's car

[fallen plaza]

In terms of safety a lot of cool cars i want are a lot less safer

Case in point the morgan three wheeler

[dusk patrol]

I think that’s probably an overreaction, I think there’s been like one death from one and iirc the dude was hugely at fault

But I wouldn’t use it for much beyond like

“This truck looks neat”

Definitely not as a truck

[fallen plaza]

Frankly it has too much of a stigma for me to want to buy it

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but in this reality I have fuck you money

So I don’t care about stigma then

[fallen plaza]

The cybertruck is the 2020 equivalent of the in ear phone

[dusk patrol]

But yeah it’s a dumb car

It’s like getting a Delorean

It’s purely for the cool factor and nothing practical

[opaque coyote]

Honestly if I ever have fuck off amounts of money

I want a copy

Of the Bob Semple Tank

[fallen plaza]

You dont need a lot of money for that

People younger than me have restored cars for more

[opaque coyote]

True

But I would need money to test it lmao

Gotta somehow drive to like a field

And drag the thing with me

Or have a place in an empty field

[fallen plaza]

Nothing stops you from daily driving it

[opaque coyote]

[fallen plaza]

If you did though i would gladly laugh at you

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I would expect it

It would also be awesome tbh

Really slow tho

[fallen plaza]

There are cooler things to commission a replica of frankly

I would commission a malcador tank replica

[opaque coyote]

The sheer comedic value of a Bob Semple Tank tho

[fallen plaza]

Maybe use it in events or donate it to a museum

[fallen plaza]

Yeah, like a joke purchase definitely wont set off buyers remorse

I mean sure, you have a lot of money

But i can technically also afford 50 dollar coffee

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's why I'm saying I would do it if I had fuck off amounts of money

[fallen plaza]

I wouldn’t feel good about it though even though i can afford it

[opaque coyote]

If I was a billionaire

Buyers remorse is not a thing

At least for the Bob Semple Tank

[small grail]

I'm a commerce guy so I'm gonna try and see what the imperiums finances are for their atrocious experiments fuck it

I'm not gonna sleep well after this

[dusk patrol]

https://youtu.be/FpL6Fwu0wkw?si=nszb_ECn_HkKiFit

@storm jungle

Should just pin this for any questions on how authority and power works in the Imperium.

I’ve been using it a lot recently to explain why an inquisitor might not have the power to do something even if he technically does

[storm jungle]

Firstly extremely classic choice i approve

Secondly id approve but uh

people are too short-spanned to bother watching

[snow fern]

it's a 2 minute clip 💀

[storm jungle]

exactly 💀

[hallow plover]

Its long

[queen laurel]

You underestimate people's lack of attention

[hallow plover]

Anything longer than 10 seconds is anathema to the doomscroller

[storm jungle]

My favorite thing with this scene in the books is also tyrion acts all high and mighty here but every single big or small slight he did to the people in Kings's Landing also comes back to bite him in the ass

which is even more fitting for an Inquisition-representation

[surreal nest]

this was the craziest thing i have ever read in my life but that is all i want to say

[fallen plaza]

How

[small grail]

It ain't looking good lads

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sols-rng-sol-rayleigh-crying-meme-broken-heart-cooked-gif-9094813680797219987

[rocky gale]

Because Musk isn't hated enough

[outer wave]

I feel like he is almost universally scorned outside of his fanbase

[snow fern]

I always got more hate for Apartheid Clyde

[languid meadow]

he is and for good reason

his cult like fanbase doesn't see anything wrong with what he does or did

[outer wave]

I remember hearing my dad watching a video about some weird alt right shit idk and they mention some Elon hater and go something like "Oh I bet they're just jealous that they dont make as much money as Elon."

And Im like "No?"

I wonder if most of his fans think similarly

[languid meadow]

they do

it's either "they're trying to cancel him!" or "you're just jealous"

[outer wave]

I dont think Im that jealous of a 58 year old man trying to relate to the younger generation to a weird degree while also being a dead beat dad with narcissism issues

[rocky gale]

Like he is genuinely an abhorrent person who is despised by own kids

[gray umbra]

Lots of these people are just billionaires who havent made it yet. Youre just jealous you wont be as wealthy rich or witty as elon musk

[outer wave]

Elon Musk is one of the few people who have left the rat race behind him by being a sigma male

[rose thorn]

the chat is memeing right?

[rocky gale]

I hope

[burnt maple]

Let us return to 40k.

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-hopeless-plague-doctor-gif-13347468273539957889

[rose thorn]

yes

[burnt maple]

FORTY KEY I SAID.

[outer wave]

I absolutely am

I dont like the guy

[rose thorn]

lmao good

[burnt maple]

Who? Captan Acheron from SM2? Yes, he is a useless cunt.

With irish accent no less!

[wintry scarab]

In SM2 they really should have done it so that in matchmaking there is a level limit to playing the ops. I fucking hate joining one and seeing a lvl 3 and 6 on ruthless.

[rose thorn]

welp time to obsess overe age of sigmar

[gray umbra]

Sounds familiar

Just replace ruthless with damnation

[snow fern]

Fresh 30s when they unlock auric maelstrom

[burnt maple]

XD

[snow fern]

https://tenor.com/view/si-va-in-scena-showtime-gif-25817813

[queen laurel]

Hey let me join in on that

[gray umbra]

So whats the deal with malekith

[rocky gale]

It's Scottish

[gray umbra]

Or malerion

Like what is his goal now

[dusk patrol]

He’s Scottish you feckin milk drinker

[outer wave]

Ogre vs Ogor vs Ogryn: who wins?

This is an imporant question

[queen laurel]

Just straight hands?

[dusk patrol]

Your mom that night

[burnt maple]

Well, I never understood a scotsman so maybe that is why I did not recognize accent

[dusk patrol]

Got em

[outer wave]

Guts out

Yep

[outer wave]

😔

[queen laurel]

Ogors

[dusk patrol]

Idk Ogors are pretty damn big

Yeah

Maybe if the Ogryn or Ogre hit his balls

[outer wave]

How much bigger are they in comparison to Ogryns and Ogres?

[queen laurel]

They have the benefits of warhammer fantasy ogres and are a different race from ogryns which are still just humans

[burnt maple]

Ogryns tank bolter shells tho!

[queen laurel]

They're the same size but their connection to their god and you know general marshall prowess

Gets them the edge

[dusk patrol]

Kinda hard to quantify a lot of these things tbh

[queen laurel]

And remember they fight worst things than what warhammer fantasy ogres do in the regular

[rose thorn]

i wnan buy a giant

[dusk patrol]

But I’d say Ogor

[outer wave]

Right right so alot more experience for ogors in comparison to their fantasy cousins

[dusk patrol]

Even if their name is the dumbest

[outer wave]

Their name is really dumb but it wont be as bad as ORRUK

[queen laurel]

You mean a gargant

[rocky gale]

Gargant

Ye

[rose thorn]

yes gargant

i forgot

[queen laurel]

You already have a kraken eater right

[rose thorn]

honeslty gargant is a better name replacement then

[rose thorn]

no

aelf

like, duardin sounds like a dwarf word

[queen laurel]

You said you were planning to get a kraken eater can

[rose thorn]

but aelf to elf?

[outer wave]

Aeyelf

[rose thorn]

yeah

[queen laurel]

There's Fyreslayers

Yes fyre instead of fire

[outer wave]

Not to return but to at least address this: that is true, but are ogryns typically fighting worse things than ogors?

[rose thorn]

honestly irl militaries do taht shit so its fine

[outer wave]

JUST CALL IT FIRE

[rocky gale]

Aelf sits odd, but Aelves somehow works for me

[rose thorn]

its just elves with an accient

[queen laurel]

I don't even mind saying Orruk now

I just do it to piss off elite wolf

[burnt maple]

True enough.

[dusk patrol]

This is my personal standard for how I want my models to look

[rose thorn]

Ork is a real life town, so orruk is a good name

[fallen plaza]

This kitbash was amazing

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's not the worst

[rose thorn]

shout out to aos for hving the best demon slaeyr model ever

[dusk patrol]

My favorite golden daemon/slayer sword winner ever tbh

[rose thorn]

honestly i didnt even realize ogors was different from ogers

ogurs?

[rocky gale]

Ogres

[rose thorn]

thank you

[queen laurel]

Ogres

ogors is just the literal f****** translation

[rose thorn]

REALLy?

[queen laurel]

We had this entire conversation last time maggie

[rocky gale]

Yea Ogors are also mostly still just reused Ogre models from Fantasy

[rose thorn]

oh

[rose thorn]

YET THEY USE THE METAL MODELS IN OLD WORLD GAE

ME

[queen laurel]

Yeah one of our conversations was how they turned the literal translations into the official name

[rose thorn]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

THIS IS 112 DOLLRS

[rocky gale]

Like if you get the Spearhead, the Ironblaster in it has spears that say Kislev on them

[rose thorn]

Thats pretty funny

[queen laurel]

WHY ARE THEY SELLING MONGOLIANS FOR FUCKING 112 DOLLARS

[rose thorn]

BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE OF LEAD

[outer wave]

THOSE ARE LEAD

?!

[rose thorn]

NO

Thtey are made of metal

[queen laurel]

You could kill someone with the sharp bits on these guys

[rocky gale]

Probably Pewter

[rose thorn]

models use to be made of lead though

omg

it includes paper

to fold into a banner

[queen laurel]

Oh my god i can just imagine accidentally tearing these

[queen laurel]

They look so runty and weak

[rose thorn]

Old world players deserve better, i dont laugh at them for how terrible gw treated their game

[dusk patrol]

Tbh no one’s actually buying those for that much

They’re 3D printing them

[rose thorn]

good

[arctic talon]

The game itself is good

The minis

Uh

[dusk patrol]

Or proxy more likely

[arctic talon]

Well they’re certainly nostalgic

[outer wave]

I wonder if there's better ogre models to 3D print for AoS

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure there’s a few guys with too much money who do but

[queen laurel]

Elite wolf would you rather accept that the name Orruk is good or buy an old world model

[rocky gale]

I imagine Ogors are going to get a range refresh this edition

[rose thorn]

also they are using literal aos models for old world which si funny

[rocky gale]

They really need it

[dusk patrol]

Most people that hardcore and with that much money have a 3D printer

[outer wave]

I REALLY hope so

Their models atm are kinda stinky

[queen laurel]

Yeah also don't forget the gloom spite

[outer wave]

Like they're better than TOW's but they're still not great

[rose thorn]

wait

[queen laurel]

They don't really need it as much but they have a lot of old molds

[rose thorn]

our chaos lord

[arctic talon]

Buy one of the new old world minis

[arctic talon]

Oruuk fucking sucks imo

[rose thorn]

is a champion of chaos?

[rocky gale]

Gloomspite also need it

[outer wave]

Says champion of chaos

[queen laurel]

You son of a Grot

[small grail]

U ain't wrong

[rocky gale]

The Nightgoblin models are old

Real old

[rose thorn]

okay so here ism y argument against it

if they make a new kit

[dusk patrol]

Grot is a good name so he should be happy about that

[rose thorn]

it needs to be as simple as shit

[outer wave]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-ogre-unit-293478 Oh these models look good

GW, make these

[rose thorn]

also us gloomspite players are use ot the simple dinky models

[crystal forum]

they're send copyright strike instead

[crystal forum]

what's the joke

[rose thorn]

i need to stop looking at teh old world store page

[outer wave]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-mercenary-ogres-unit-310111 Ohhhh the knight Ogor looks cool

[rose thorn]

it makes me furious

[crystal forum]

male male plugs exist

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's depressing let me tell

[outer wave]

Yeah Old World doesnt seem to make most happy here

Best to ignore 'em

[queen laurel]

Since my iron jaw metal skull is too thick for that humor i'm just going to ignore it but still screw you

[spring cairn]

stirland marines

[rose thorn]

when they made new good models it was great

literal consistantly really good models

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[arctic talon]

For the hammer and the empire

I forgor

My brain is smooth

Ugh

[crystal forum]

you probably shouldn't use them in most circumstances though

[queen laurel]

That nuln oil is getting into your brain

You should stop drinking man

[arctic talon]

The joke is I’m telling bulgar to plug it into an outlet

[rose thorn]

but yeah uh

[spring cairn]

bro is rocking the Mud Hurricanes color scheme

[queen laurel]

Eat a bag of explosion potions

[rose thorn]

one of my partner's started her daughters of khaine army

so im learning up the lore

[queen laurel]

That her only faction currently she likes

[rose thorn]

she likes ghosts too and some otehr stuff

but tahts what she played the most

in warcry

[queen laurel]

Oh so she will probably get into night haunt

[rocky gale]

Daughters of Khaine were the first faction that got me interested in AoS but I'm not a big fan of the models

[queen laurel]

Didn't they also kind of get shafted last release

[rocky gale]

Then the Flesh Eaters got their refresh so I got them instead

[rose thorn]

my partners are very very gay

[crystal forum]

oh i just learned that idiots do this without knowing what they're doing

[rose thorn]

so thats one of the main selling facotrs

[queen laurel]

You got flesh eater courts?

[rocky gale]

Ye

[queen laurel]

I didn't expect you to be the type for giant monsters

[rose thorn]

so do i!

[rocky gale]

They aren't giant monsters

[rose thorn]

i lvoe FEC

[rocky gale]

They are beautiful noble Knights

[arctic talon]

Daughters of khaine are

Meh to me

[rose thorn]

aos is built like that

you got a few armies you love

and not care about eveyrthing else

[arctic talon]

I am praying for the day someone does a really beautifully converted bretonian army

[queen laurel]

What's your favorite aos faction furry man

[arctic talon]

With like the most foul and disgusting bases

[crystal forum]

huh?

[rose thorn]

lumineth is my guess

[arctic talon]

Sylvaneth, ossriarchs, cities of sugmar

[queen laurel]

I'm not talking to you you demented raccoon

[rose thorn]

damn

[crystal forum]

he is not a furry

[queen laurel]

Okay okay

[queen laurel]

I give people nicknames here

[queen laurel]

So i will give him whatever the f*** i want

And if they don't like it i can change it to something else

[fallen plaza]

Says the man with the orcsona

[rocky gale]

My three AoS factions are

Cities of Sigmar (With Stormcast and DoK allies)
Flesh Eater Courts
Darkoath

[queen laurel]

And?

It doesn't kill people so i don't know why you're so upset on that

[fallen plaza]

Am i upset?

This is news to me

[arctic talon]

I just conceptually like sylvaneth

[queen laurel]

I can't tell you're usually more sarcastic than an eldar trying to be friendly

[arctic talon]

They turn the stereotypical “elf” thing on its head

Also I like fey creatures

[queen laurel]

My favorite aos factions are every single one in destruction

Big f****** surprise there

[rocky gale]

Sylvnneth is what happens when you take the name "Wood Elf" literally

[arctic talon]

They are wood and elf

[fallen plaza]

Im mostly a skaven fan, mainly because they arent just infantry based, and have artillery and big units

[queen laurel]

Iron Jawz are my favorite though no questions

[arctic talon]

And they angry fey creatures

It’s fucking great

[queen laurel]

I thought you go for chaos dwarves

[arctic talon]

The tree is what eats you

[crystal forum]

fantasy 😴🛌

[fallen plaza]

For fantasy chaos dawi and empire yes

[arctic talon]

Rip bozo

[queen laurel]

I like iron jaws for somehow gw made armored orc

The most generic thing a fantasy setting can have pretty f****** interesting

[arctic talon]

No mega armored nobz?

Can’t believe it

[queen laurel]

No because they are the mega armored nobs

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah wolfy how rare is it for a gargant to abandon being destruction aligned and just working for humans for fun

[arctic talon]

Idfk

[queen laurel]

God damn it f*** it we ball

I'm making a new f****** war stomper that works for a f****** city

[dusk patrol]

Mfw even the woods hate the wood elves

[surreal nest]

"too many people hate this certain person, therefore I won't!"

[outer wave]

I doubt very hard

[queen laurel]

Yeah probably be very hard to accomplish but i'm pretty sure they will just follow through

[outer wave]

If an ogor is allowed to do merc work and settle down, I'm sure others can with some extra rulings surrounding them

[queen laurel]

It's a mega gargant

You don't really get to say anything

Against it

[outer wave]

Well, you just have to make the gargant comfy and willing to not just eat and stomp everything around him for fun

[queen laurel]

I mean ogor warhulks are a thing

[outer wave]

Exactly

Those guys settled down for enough time that they managed to get over the brunt of their eternal hunger

[dusk patrol]

Maybe they have snacks he really likes and can’t get anywhere else

[outer wave]

Give him those lil banana candies but bigger

And a big mug of beer

[queen laurel]

Yeah apparently he likes the city slop soup or something

[dusk patrol]

Like unironically that’s a valid enough reason for a Gargant I feel like

[outer wave]

It's a fun and cute reason tbh

[dusk patrol]

“They make this mushroom soup I like a lot”

[queen laurel]

I don't think a gargant which can grow to the size of a mountain will have any cute reasons

A single one could cause a lot of damage in a city

[dusk patrol]

You could have one have a city on its back

[queen laurel]

And now that would make it basically a world titan

Borderline a god at that point

[dusk patrol]

Mortal engines shit

[outer wave]

I mean, a massive giant that could destroy the town effortlessly and with a smile on his mouth not wanting to because the food piques his appetite so he ultimately stays and protects it is kinda cute

[queen laurel]

And one of the writing rules i make for making characters is that if basically if them just existing can cause massive events in the settings i don't follow with them

[dusk patrol]

AoS kinda allows this though with how many realms there are

[queen laurel]

Yeah until he grabs dave the annoying guy for screaming too loud

[dusk patrol]

Like don’t go too far but

[outer wave]

That's valid

[queen laurel]

Yes but if a gargant that is big enough that it can carry an entire city on its back it's basically a world titan that other gargants will flock and follow to like a god

So i will avoid that

[dusk patrol]

Fair

[crystal forum]

have you guys ever realized that there's functionally no difference between a "learned individual" being able to quote works by classical writers and a modern lore nerd knowing all the space marine chapter master's names

[outer wave]

Could make it like

A small part of a town

A part of a town he liked in particular and wanted to carry around with him on his journey to stomp

[dusk patrol]

One gets significantly less bitches

[crystal forum]

which one is that

[dusk patrol]

Undefined

[crystal forum]

both are pretty big turn offs

[queen laurel]

I'm planning to just make him like a special summon for my group

Like he hands them a war horn they can blow to someone him to their location and blow it again to return him back to his lair

But of course he would always ask for payment

[crystal forum]

reading books doesn't make you smart is my hot take

[outer wave]

As any respectable mercenary should

[outer wave]

Pretty true tbh

[crystal forum]

i will say it does develop imagination though

since you're creating your own stuff in your head

[queen laurel]

If being able to read is enough to warrant being called smart then i'm already albert einstein

[paper haven]

Alright. I'm sold on Space Marine 2. It has a moment that replicates those final stand battle pictures that are classic to the setting

[crystal forum]

"40k is just about crusades" type people when they realize that 40k is actually just about last stands

[paper haven]

The crusade is the journey. The glorious last stand is the destination.

[crystal forum]

imperials will literally travel the stars just to hold a line of defence on some random planet

examples:

siege of vraks, started as siege, ended as defence

[dusk patrol]

Yeah cause it looks cool

[crystal forum]

siege of cthonia

istvan III

[snow fern]

a lot of 40k is waiting at line at the walmart, the walmart being hell cause warp travel sucks

[crystal forum]

both istvans actually

siege of terra

cadia in general

[paper haven]

Istvan 5 was a battle that consisted entirely of last stands

[languid meadow]

war for Armageddon 1, 2, and 3

[snow fern]

Istvan 3 is also like famously all about last stands

[crystal forum]

all the times baal got attacked

[rocky gale]

I'm tired of last stands, it's time for a first stand

[paper haven]

Cadia was disappointed the first twelve times because chaos forces ran out of people.

[snow fern]

That's called an assault

[rocky gale]

Hardly a Stand if you're assaulting

[snow fern]

well normally you're standing to shoot

[paper haven]

Imperial Fists assault

[crystal forum]

all the times mcrage got attacked

[celest dome]

Cadian cope

[snow fern]

Dropping a blackstone fortress on cadia sure is the tantrum of all time

[paper haven]

They just deploy bunkers a bit further ahead and defend that point

[celest dome]

Not like it was broken at that time already

[snow fern]

Yah but you can repair broken things, not destroyed ones

[celest dome]

You can't really repair a Black Stone fortress

[paper haven]

I don't even need to respond to that. The results speak for themselves

[crystal forum]

guys dont spoil cadia

[celest dome]

Like you don't understand how it effing work anyway

[paper haven]

Spoiler: Cadia stands

[celest dome]

Everywhere

[snow fern]

sure but it's chaos, warp fuckery solves all issues

[rocky gale]

You're right, Abbadon should have just called a time out and repaired the Blackstone Fortress

[snow fern]

they'll sacrifice 4million slaves to install the chaos spleen of woe and boom working blackstone fortress

[crystal forum]

also after years and years i finally know why GW only focuses on cadians

it's because they're space british

[snow fern]

cause they;re easy models

[paper haven]

What is more valuable? A planet or a Blackstone fortress?

[snow fern]

neither, cause the plot always has enough of both

[rocky gale]

Not like destroying Cadia was a massive victory for Chaos

[celest dome]

Elysian
Preatorian Guard...

[crystal forum]

abaddon intended to use the fortress all the way to terra

[snow fern]

just like how eldar are dying out and die in droves during Space Marine books

[celest dome]

Working one
-> Blackstone
Broken one
-> Planet

[crystal forum]

not sellable enough

space british

[celest dome]

Cadian are more WW2 Canadian

Hence the name

[crystal forum]

what

[snow fern]

but really, more armies other than cadians and krieg would be nice

and like the 5 rules catachan has

[crystal forum]

do you know that most of the canadian WW2 kit was straight up the same as the british

[paper haven]

Maybe the real Cadia was the friends we made along the way

[languid meadow]

despite all my rage

[celest dome]

@storm jungle Cadian, who are they based upon
British or Canadian ?

[crystal forum]

creed is literally churchill

like 1:1

[snow fern]

Robert A heinlein was American so they're an american regiment

[storm jungle]

Mostly British

Cadia itself is entirely a reference to Blitzrkieg era London

[celest dome]

Shit

[crystal forum]

how can you even get canadian from their stuff

[storm jungle]

where its all bunkers and stuff prepped incase they ever get invaded in neighborhoods

[celest dome]

Name 🤷

[paper haven]

Their equipment suggests modern western infantry. Their tactics suggest WW1 industrial warfare. They have British accents but that might just be because GW is british

[fallen plaza]

You can still feel the effects today as there food still looks like it came straight from rations

[crystal forum]

it took me a while to get it but they're literally just WW2 british fanfic

like if you know how the british think of WW2 it's cadians

[storm jungle]

Jay it takes you awhile to get a lot of things

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/ioyLptGWKaw?si=qy27pAWCX1unBd76

[crystal forum]

i got it though unlike cactus

[snow fern]

Britain doesn't give itself enough credit for how absurdly op being an island is

[green loom]

#notjustbritish

[fallen plaza]

I got pics of the model

[crystal forum]

if only japan waited a bit so the brits could have fallen 😔

[languid meadow]

Bold of you to assume a British company would acknowledge Canada, Australia or New Zealand

[celest dome]

STFU Jay, I get my shit take of the month
You get the one of the day

[crystal forum]

australia gets to pay the extra GW tax too

[fallen plaza]

Remember to save all the good take passes for me

[celest dome]

You're no better

[crystal forum]

easy to not make mistakes when you don't do anything

[celest dome]

[fallen plaza]

You simply dont get it 😁

[paper haven]

Tell that to Japan

[crystal forum]

japan literally had a tsunami save their asses from the mongols they have NO right

[snow fern]

Japan fought basically a solo war against China, the Soviets and brought the USA into the fight, Japan did itself in

By the time the Soviets took Machuria the writing was on the wall

[celest dome]

Japan picked quite a lot of wrong choices

[crystal forum]

if only a tsunami could have saved them from two nuclear bombs

i'll give them a divine wind alright

[paper haven]

Island nations are dependent on outside resources. Britain won because their Navy was able to keep the Germans from cutting off supply, not because they were an island

[fallen plaza]

If i remember correctly

[celest dome]

They got of lightly considering all what they did

[fallen plaza]

The bombs were not the reason they surrendered

It was because of the battle with the soviets or the chinese

[celest dome]

I think some were still willing to fight it out longer

[snow fern]

Japan basically wasn't even punished for what they did in WW2, it's why east asia still isn't the best of friends with them

[fallen plaza]

I recall the high command wasn’t really phased with the whole nuke thing

[paper haven]

They surrendered because the soviets were about to invade and the bombs gave them an easy out without too much disgrace

[crystal forum]

they were ready to come to the negotiation table but by that point it was their fault for asking for ANYTHING while they were getting their shit pushed in

[snow fern]

more people died from the firebombing of Tokyo than both nukes, fascists famously do not care about human life

[crystal forum]

they had no leverage at all

and by they i mean the government

civilians of course have no say in this and it's tragic

[celest dome]

The really sour thing about Japan and WW2 is how it's taught over there

[paper haven]

To be clear, the generals didn't give a damn. It was the Emperor who stepped in and said enough

[crisp heath]

Man, I’m kinda surprised lamenters weren’t in the space marine 2 game

[arctic talon]

They literally got economically rebuilt by the US lol

[crisp heath]

But they are like all dead now right?

[arctic talon]

No

[crisp heath]

Oh?

[arctic talon]

Lamenters survived their penitent crusade

[fallen plaza]

I have some choice words with japans racism

[crystal forum]

also the scientists conducting horrible human experimentation got off scott free in return for their research

[fallen plaza]

But I prefer not to elaborate on it

[paper haven]

Lamenters are still alive just. You know. Lamenting.

[arctic talon]

The US government finding out the research was useless

[crisp heath]

There is a lot of racism in the eastern part of the world

[celest dome]

In Belgium, where there are 2 community a French speaking one (Latin) and a Dutch/Flemish (Germanic) one there were cases where known Collabo were pardonned on the Flemish side and continued as Politician.
It's the same sort of feel I get from Japan

[crisp heath]

And they don’t hold back either

[arctic talon]

Ah yes giving people frostbite

Gives them frostbite

[snow fern]

well that yes, but their ware crimes also just weren't tried, there was a Nuremburg in Japan, but it punished very few

[crystal forum]

im not sure about that part. it must have been valuable if they did the deal

[arctic talon]

What an incredible discovery

[arctic talon]

They didn’t know the content of the research

[fallen plaza]

I find it particularly aggravating on the japanese front

[arctic talon]

Most of it was worthless

[celest dome]

The deal was made before the research were given

[fallen plaza]

Japan rightwing groups still beat up koreans

[arctic talon]

There were very few meaningful research results

[crystal forum]

they didn't just give prisoners random afflictions. they also tried different radical ways of treatment

[arctic talon]

They did both

And they did a whole lot more this sand is made out of sand crap

[paper haven]

It's almost like ethnostates cause trouble with people not of the same ethnicity.

[arctic talon]

Then actual research

They didn’t follow the scientific method

The research was mostly worthless

[crystal forum]

interesting

ill have to check it out

[arctic talon]

Unit 731 got away free

Which is absurd

Considering most of their research just amounted to random torture

[crystal forum]

they should never have gotten away with it no matte the value of the research yeah

[paper haven]

And forced incest

[celest dome]

The 'ethnostate' status doesn't really cause those troubles, other countries that for the most part were ethnostate hadn't such problems (Sweden, Norway)

[arctic talon]

I’d be marginally less bitter if there was actual meaningful information from it

Doesn’t make it right

But it makes the pill easier to swallow

But no

[spring cairn]

let's go, ethnostate discussion, my favourite

[dusk patrol]

Unit 731 was largely based on them getting some valuable knowledge from the Nazis stuff so they figured 731 would have similar results

It did not

[arctic talon]

^

They wanted to pull a paper clip

Except lol

Lmao

[spring cairn]

they did aperture science tier experiments

[dusk patrol]

Also in general I feel like you have an obligation to try to use that research to make the deaths of those people worth something at least

[crystal forum]

let us not forget that japan is actively trying to assimilate the okinawan culture into their shitty homogenous identity

[paper haven]

Neither Sweden nor Norway are ethnostates

[celest dome]

Today

But they were for quite a while

Japan technically isn't an ethnostate

[crystal forum]

i HATE when small cultures get erased by active malicious entities

[celest dome]

But it's doing its damnest to be it

[arctic talon]

They weren’t human to unit 731

So like

[crystal forum]

okinawan language is currently listed as endagered

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[paper haven]

You cannot become a citizen of Japan if you aren't japanese

[dusk patrol]

It was just random fucked up stuff

[fallen plaza]

It doesn’t help that japan is still quite hostile to a lot of foreigners

[dusk patrol]

Same thing as the Rape of Nanking

[outer wave]

Unit 731 were the bioweapons research team right?

[arctic talon]

“Research”

[outer wave]

How could they have found anything from that?

[celest dome]

Ainu people are very much repressed still to this day

[dusk patrol]

Just pointless torture and awful shit for no fucking reason

[arctic talon]

But yes

[fallen plaza]

The wiki page on that is vile

[arctic talon]

They were listed as a general medical research thing

[dusk patrol]

They didn’t know it would all be basically useless

[arctic talon]

Not as a biological weapons research group

Turns out

[spring cairn]

guys let's see what happens when you put ppl in a rapidly decompressing chamber

[dusk patrol]

And by then they had pardoned them

[arctic talon]

Giving people disease

[dusk patrol]

Can’t really undo that

[arctic talon]

Gives them disease

[paper haven]

Yep. They mostly just committed horrific torture

[arctic talon]

What a fucking surprise

[outer wave]

I still cant believe that Unit 731 is a controversial topic to bring up in Japanese media

[arctic talon]

Thank you for your wonderful research unit 731

World war 2 is glossed over

In Japanese history by Japan lol

They don’t like to talk about it

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t help some of those guys are still alive I believe

[arctic talon]

They are

[outer wave]

Is the head of that team still around?

[paper haven]

It was like if the Nazis pretended to be doctors and used diseases to kill people.
.... Wait

[dusk patrol]

Idk

[arctic talon]

I doubt they have regrets degloving random peoples bodies

[spring cairn]

most specialists who have reviewed their results have said they were worthless

[celest dome]

They are ? How old are they

[dusk patrol]

Very

It was WWII era so they don’t all be alive much longer

[arctic talon]

Normal WW2 vet age

Nowadays

[outer wave]

Oh no Shiro Ishii is dead

[dusk patrol]

All the world war 2 vets will be dead likely in our lifetimes

[paper haven]

To my knowledge, none of them were actually punished

[celest dome]

Not surprised of it

[spring cairn]

didn't like 1 or 2 take some kind of blame

[arctic talon]

Some of them were early on

But it kind of just

[storm jungle]

Some were mostly just slapped on the wrist lol

[arctic talon]

Stopped happening

Lol

The Japanese government stopped giving a shit

[paper haven]

Some were, sure. But the ones with connections? Nah

[spring cairn]

the us took their research only to realise later they were idiotic iirc

[arctic talon]

The leader of unit 731 was literally participating in the Korean war

[dusk patrol]

You also have the problem of, you need some of these people from the previous regimes to run the next one. If you don’t then you have a situation like Iraq where it destabilizes

[paper haven]

Pretty much nothing useful came from what Unit 732 did

[dusk patrol]

Because everyone was part of Imperial Japan or a Nazi or whatever

[arctic talon]

One useful thing came out

[dusk patrol]

Same thing happened when the Berlin Wall came down

[crystal forum]

so apparently douglas macarthur is solely to blame for the immunity

go figure

[dusk patrol]

Can’t exactly exclude every qualified person who was aligned with other soviets

[arctic talon]

It was the frostbite and disease interaction research lol

So like

[spring cairn]

mf thought he was pulling a paperclip v2

[arctic talon]

[paper haven]

Not really a surprise

[fallen plaza]

Tbf its the same with Germany, they just kinda got tired of capturing former nazis

[storm jungle]

Unit 731 was basically IRL admech 💀

"Lets see what happens when someone swallows acid"

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

"Wow they died"

💀

[arctic talon]

Next

[outer wave]

Bruh

[storm jungle]

god

[celest dome]

Interesting

[spring cairn]

except they didn't even make cool servitors

[arctic talon]

Not even a big exaggeration

On the swallowing acid thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah i wasnt joking LOL

[arctic talon]

They literally performed random vivisections

Oh wow

They die when you pull their organs out

What a surprise

[rocky gale]

Ironic you mention Frostbite because it's like one of the three things in all that they did which was "useful"

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

now we'll have to do it 5 more times to confirm

[outer wave]

If it gives you any comfort, the head Shiro Ishii is dead from throat cancer

Which you know, its cancer

[fallen plaza]

The boys at the lab were just bored okay?

[paper haven]

Force feeding prisoners gasoline and shooting at them with incendiary rounds.
"Oh, they explode. Better do it 200 more times to be sure."

[rocky gale]

Like it was Frostbite experiments, Tuberculosis experiments and Mustard gas experiments. Everything else was completely useless

[storm jungle]

at least with other medical "innovations" its usually mutilating people who are already dead 💀

[paper haven]

I would have preferred death by public hanging

[storm jungle]

or just "Yeah experiment on me when im dead idc wheres my money"

[celest dome]

Linching is a good fate for those

[rocky gale]

But it's also been explained that anything from the research in those three things also could have been achieved from entierely ethical studies

[paper haven]

Not lynching. Execution.

[spring cairn]

this takes time, you can bypass that by a having access to free chinese people

[rocky gale]

Like none of it was necessary

[storm jungle]

awful

[crystal forum]

now this i wasn't aware of: the soviets had their own separate trial for the scientists and leaders they captured