40k-lore-chat

[paper haven]

It's a bell curve.
Imperial guard is at both ends

[storm jungle]

[soft thunder]

guard and admech good. astartes stinky

[young pecan]

I like guardsmen but Cadians get too much glazing in every media I've seen them

Show me a Valhallan B)

Love muh guardsmen

[storm jungle]

I tried to put some other regiments in there but valhallans barely got any good art

most of it is black and white lmao

[green loom]

The rest is Cain

I should draw some

[young pecan]

Oh I wasn't even talking about the video dw LOL

[green loom]

Okay yeah next week we're doing figure studies of Guard regis

[crisp heath]

Which is a shame because Valhallans aren't great

All I need to be happy is a creeping barrage and friendly fire

[dusk patrol]

Good heavens would you look at the time

It’s Mordian posting o’clock

[young pecan]

What's the deal with Mordians?

[paper haven]

Savlar Chem Dogs are my favorite

[crisp heath]

Mordians are the worst regiment only because their planet is also called Mordian

[storm jungle]

wow

racist much

[green loom]

Canonically so

[dusk patrol]

It’s a dark day anytime anyone learns the planet isn’t called Mordia

[plush mason]

what?

[paper haven]

Wait, is the planet actually names Mordian?

[storm jungle]

NO

ITS MORDIA

[crisp heath]

Mordians are from Mordian, not Mordia

[storm jungle]

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

[arctic talon]

The planets name is Mordian

it got changed

at some point

[storm jungle]

wait what

[plush mason]

why?

[arctic talon]

for reasons beyond anyones comprehension

[storm jungle]

I GOT MENDELA EFFECTED?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plush mason]

i hate that

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-lol-the-simpsons-marge-lisa-gif-8714260

[shell mason]

that uniform looks very conventional

[dusk patrol]

The live on a shithole hive world with canonically the worst suicide rate in the Imperium, they’re selected from the worst criminals and broken and remade into one of the most disciplined guard forces in the imperium, who won’t retreat unless told to, including when facing down daemons and chaos space marines

[rocky gale]

You also got Mandela effected into thinking it's called a Mendela effect

[dusk patrol]

Hence the Iron Guard part

They’re known for never breaking or retreating unless ordered to

[paper haven]

Idiots stand in block formations and volly fire lasguns

[dusk patrol]

Also they got a lot of cool tanks and shit

[rocky gale]

But if we're talking about the best Guard regiment

[crisp heath]

Mordians thing is that they're super ceremonial and disciplined. They show up in a lot of other guard books so that the main characters can joke about how they'd rather shine their boots than win a war

They also wreck house whenever the author let's them fight

[paper haven]

Techno cossacks

[plush mason]

i am a sucker for red long coats

[rocky gale]

Vostroyan Firstborn remain peak

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-derisively-futurama-harlem-globetrotters-gif-20166982

[paper haven]

Volley firing Lasguns does tend to have an impact.

[rocky gale]

Scintillan Fusiliers are also pretty dope

[queen laurel]

if we're going by favorites mine are the Vitrian Dragoons and the Athonian Tunnel Rats

[dusk patrol]

They don’t always volley fire, that’s mostly an older thing they did

And it was mostly in trench warfare

[paper haven]

Well, trenches are a smart choice

[crisp heath]

Armageddon Ork Hunters are too niche for an army tbh but I'd love them to get a novel series or video game

[queen laurel]

aren't they literally just specialized units

[storm jungle]

Yeah Gate of Bones show they only do it when its in like situations where it makes sense

[plush mason]

why is it so few non cadian style regiments wear armor?

[storm jungle]

mostly for style points

[dusk patrol]

They wear armor

[queen laurel]

also i'm pretty sure under all of that fancy clothing they have armor

[dusk patrol]

It’s under the uniform

[crisp heath]

They're more like feral guard regiments that got left behind, but some were put there intentionally

[young pecan]

That's pretty metal

[queen laurel]

They're still soldiers

[plush mason]

ah i get it

[shell mason]

looks very unconventional

[dusk patrol]

They also have flak hats

[queen laurel]

and not wearing anything in the battlefield to protect you is kind of suicide

[shell mason]

like

[dusk patrol]

The main thing is, they’re disciplined gangers

They get down and dirty when they need to

[paper haven]

Ork hunters are my second favorite guard regiment

[dusk patrol]

It’s a veneer of discipline and order over their brutal backgrounds

[crisp heath]

Ork Hunters basically have an entirely different culture from the regiment they came from, basically their own thing

[dusk patrol]

They’re vicious fighters when it comes to it

They jsut maintain control and order

[paper haven]

Plus, there's plenty of mesh armors that have similar protection to the cadian style flak armor

[shell mason]

ok

[dusk patrol]

Yeah their hats are flak lined and they have flak or carapace under the armor

[queen laurel]

can a Commissar get access to power armor or is it like way too low for their pay grade\

[young pecan]

What's the difference between flak and carapace in lore

[dusk patrol]

There’s a comment in a book about how the Mordians don’t even seem to sweat uunless commanded to because they’re all so clean still despite the heavy fighting

[dusk patrol]

It’s unlikely

[queen laurel]

Carapace it's basically tougher and stronger but it's heavy

[dusk patrol]

But not impossible

[paper haven]

Carapace is tougher

[crisp heath]

Flak armor is Kevlar basically and carapace is sci fi fuck you

[dusk patrol]

Carapace can potentially survive bolt rounds

And shrugs off las weapons easier

Still not perfect but

It’s much better

Also full body generally

[queen laurel]

yeah but the flak is definitely lighter

[dusk patrol]

Yeah often

[young pecan]

What's carapace's weakness?

[dusk patrol]

Carapace varies a lot too

[dusk patrol]

Expensive

[queen laurel]

nothing really it's mostly just yeah expensive

[young pecan]

(Darktide seems to say kitchen knives)

[dusk patrol]

Fully body so it’s hard to carry around I guess

[shell mason]

[dusk patrol]

But for most guard who have it that’s not an issue

Scions train with it as children so it’s like clothes to them

Any guard given it are gonna train a ton and be worth as damn enough for the weight to not be an issue

[queen laurel]

is being a Catachan the peak of human physiology in warhammer

[dusk patrol]

Pretty close

[queen laurel]

Like just human OK who is physically speaking the strongest in physical strength to have ever been seen in warhammer

[dusk patrol]

Harker is basically a mini Ogryn

Catachans have some wild feats of strength and ability

[queen laurel]

yeah it seems that they are basically physically speaking no implants and mechanical stuff attached the physically strongest type of human around

[dusk patrol]

Although Tbf we’re generally seeing the best of them too

[dusk patrol]

They’re quite impressive

Sly Marbo for all he gets memed is actually insane with how effective he is

[storm jungle]

also late Mordian cameo clip I had to post somewhere 😔

[queen laurel]

yeah i feel like when it comes to showing physical ability like strength agility, a Catachan is it

when we are just you know putting it on a human level

They're also tough

[queen laurel]

even without implants some of them can take a hilarious amount of beatings that a normal guy would have died too

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re definitely a significant cut above most normal humans

But most elite guard we see tend to be also

[queen laurel]

yeah but if we're talking about you know showmanship physical strength agility toughness, and are just humans i think there are very few that could beat a catachan

[dusk patrol]

Mordians: “I prefer regiments whose worlds didnt fall to chaos.”

[dusk patrol]

I would agreed

They’re always mentioned to be borderline abhuman when people who aren’t familiar see them

[paper haven]

Mordians are exactly the types to be snobbish about Cadia

[rocky gale]

I'd forgot the messenger guy was Irish

[dusk patrol]

But yeah Mordians have an extreme pride in their discipline and how they came from being hive scum to a disciplined and ordered fighting force

It’s largely how their world held out too

[crisp heath]

still not aaleep

[wintry scarab]

are sm2 servers shit today for anyone else? I was fine before and today i cant seem to finish a match

[crisp heath]

[plush mason]

go sleep then

[crisp heath]

[crisp heath]

need fent

[plush mason]

[crisp heath]

cool there are animated stickers too

me being fatshark: i will go to sleep early today

[green loom]

You're going to die tomorrow

(the game launches properly)

[plush mason]

come tomrrow the SM2 servers will implode

[plush mason]

the fact Argenta is a hospitaler is still funny to me

[rocky gale]

She's not

She's Pronatus

[plush mason]

arent they part of the hospitaler orders?

[rocky gale]

Nope

Pronatus are dedicated to finding, recovering and protecting relics

[plush mason]

come the 24th i will re-read what she says

[shell mason]

....what branch of the Sob is she part of

[dusk patrol]

Hospitaler

[shell mason]

ok

[crisp heath]

What’s the difference between a hospitaler and a regular doctor?

She can also swing a hammer hard enough to shatter ceremite?

[shell mason]

ones mainly a combat doc, unlike regular doctors

one is also gonna try hard to save your life, you can decide that one

[rocky gale]

A Hospitaler is also a fully trained Sister of Battle

Like they are called a "Non Militant Order" but they are fully militant

[rose thorn]

unrelated but, this chef youtuber was making a turkish cnady and said 'is it worth betraying yoru family over? idk'

and i dont

get the joke

[rocky gale]

Narnia

Edmund betrays his family for Turkish Delight

[rose thorn]

like, the guy who made binding of isaac?

[rocky gale]

What?

[rose thorn]

whos edmund?

[rocky gale]

This is Edmund

[rose thorn]

OHH

[rocky gale]

In the movie the Ice Queen offers him Turkish Delight if he tells her where his family is and he does, not really understanding that the Ice Queen is evil

[rose thorn]

i thoght you meant this guy ;~;

[rocky gale]

So people often try Turkish Delight and say "I wouldn't betray my family for this"

But like Edmund was a starving English child during Rationing in WW2

[young pecan]

A combat medic's got to know combat, after all

Especially when the conventions are a lost media/don't exist for your enemies xd

[rocky gale]

Yea she's rocking up in Power Armour and performing surgery in the middle of battle while shooting enemies with a Bolt Pistol

[crisp heath]

Are the most powerful blanks (if they survive) sent to the assassinorum or the talons of the emperor?

I know they both REALLY want the really strong ones

[young pecan]

I assume blanks are way rarer than psykers, right? Or naw

[arctic talon]

Male ones always end up in the Assassinorum, for female blanks its a toss up as to who nabs them first

[arctic talon]

Yeah they're a lot rarer

[plush mason]

are there female vendicar assassins?

[arctic talon]

Yes

None of the assassins are genderlocked

Callidus tend to be women due to polymorphine working easier

And culexus tend to be male because the sisters of silence nab women

[dusk patrol]

Culexus

[plush mason]

huh?

[dusk patrol]

He means Culexus

[plush mason]

ok

[dusk patrol]

It came to me in a dream

[arctic talon]

I’m dumb

And tired

[plush mason]

what is it with 40k and having so many similar names for organizations/people?

[arctic talon]

Culexus and Callidus aren’t that similar

Beyond both starting with C

[plush mason]

and ending in us

[young pecan]

camongus

[plush mason]

and wtf is the name of the beserker assassins again?

[rose thorn]

How much if warhammer players are compilers

Comp players*

In an argument

[young pecan]

Tabletop warhammer specifically I'm guessing?

At the very least there are tons of people who get minis

So probably not a lot?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

this is so racist

If it sends

[queen laurel]

Oh god

[queen laurel]

Why are non humans included

[crystal forum]

am i supposed to understand what any of that means

[rocky gale]

It's factions from Warhammer Fantasy

Specifically the factions from Warhammer Total War

[crystal forum]

yes

i can see that

[rocky gale]

Then what don't you understand?

Is it the map of Europe?

[storm jungle]

its a map

[young pecan]

Where the lizardmen

[storm jungle]

WAIT

WHY ARE NIGHT GOBLINS FUCKING TURKEY

[rocky gale]

She just noticed

[storm jungle]

fuck you

also making the middle east orks is CRAZY

[crystal forum]

notice crimea is part of ukraine

[storm jungle]

yeah ew

[queen laurel]

leaked image of the secret president of turkey

[rose thorn]

I KNOW

[queen laurel]

like the implications that Turkey belongs to the most devious and cruel goblin to have ever existed is crazy

[storm jungle]

genuinely screaming rn

[torpid narwhal]

damn space marine 2 was awesome and nailed every aspect of the Warhammer world.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[paper haven]

That world map is spicier than I would have thought at first glance

[queen laurel]

ohh damn this is a nice warhammer map of the real world i wonder what faction should i get as a leade-

gets one of the most cruel warlords to have ever existed

[storm jungle]

if the entire world of warhammer is just space marines then sure

otherwise not much else

[torpid narwhal]

did you play it?

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

since like the 6th

[paper haven]

fight!
fight!
Fight!

[torpid narwhal]

its more then just space marines

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

Like the scenery is good for the most part

lol

[outer wave]

The spectacle is one of this game's best aspects

[rocky gale]

Odd they didn't split Albion into the four parts tbh

[storm jungle]

yeah the spectacles are mostly the main drive

its more that it doesnt really do anything new

[crystal forum]

why are you taking this shitpost seriously

[rocky gale]

Like in Warhammer Fantasy Albion is four islands one for Ireland, one for England, one for Wales and one for Scotland.

[paper haven]

40k without the spectacle is just... Star wars

[storm jungle]

wow

[rocky gale]

But on the map they only separated England and Ireland

[storm jungle]

Star Wars has spectacles wtf, and i say this as a non-SW fan

[outer wave]

For newcomers, this will be new to them and I think it'll be fun to see more folks come in and then realize there's so much more to it than space marines and heretics

[queen laurel]

ain't no way bro just said star wars ain't a spectacle

[storm jungle]

Ive been a fan for 12 years so im pretty jaded

[paper haven]

I know, I just couldn't think of anything else and wanted to make somebody mad.

[outer wave]

No thats fair

[storm jungle]

Star Trek might have been better

[sacred ginkgo]

No xenos besides the illiterate hive mind

[queen laurel]

also known as stellaris diplomacy simulator

[paper haven]

Yeah but how many Star Trek fans are there- That get angry really easily?

[rose thorn]

say hi to my gf wiki she is stalking the channel

[storm jungle]

A lot.

Star Trek is a pretty big fanbase

and i barely know anything about it

[rose thorn]

i heard

[storm jungle]

aside from Kirk being an exemplar chad

[paper haven]

Well that's fair.

[lone whale]

I just wanted to see shitshow :3

[paper haven]

I'm doing my best

[outer wave]

Kinda weird that the nids were there then suddenly, they're just gone

[storm jungle]

the Helldivers 2 discord is two blocks down

[queen laurel]

i'm going to scream at the top of my lungs HELLO to her

[storm jungle]

OH YEAH

[paper haven]

I don't want to go there right now

[storm jungle]

They just disappear when you go to the final planet

like... no mention at all

lmao

[queen laurel]

it's still burning down?

[paper haven]

Wait, the nid problem just disappears?

[outer wave]

Like was the shadow in the warp that weak by the end?

[outer wave]

I was dipping in and out of Charlie's stream on the game, and Nids stop showing up after a certain point

They dont even try(?) to take down the thousand sons

[torpid narwhal]

devs ruined the game and they ban anyone who complains about it

[storm jungle]

Yeah they disappear essentially.

[paper haven]

But- That doesn't make any sense? Unless the chaos guys wipe them out immediately? Off screen?

[rocky gale]

Can't wait for ||Necron|| DLC

[queen laurel]

this happened in space marine 1 too, where orks didn't become important later but at least they had a boss fight with Grimskull

[outer wave]

I assume this was after an alledged destroying of the hiveship and basically they peeter off after?

I got no clue

[paper haven]

Yeah at least some effort was put into dealing with the ork problem

Are there at least big fights between the nids, imperial guard and chaos?

[outer wave]

I dont even want to play the game, but that'd be fun to see in a TPS

[outer wave]

From what I heard in here, they do

[paper haven]

Ok so there's still hope. Good.

[storm jungle]

So and so.

[young pecan]

Didn't chaos and orks fight in SM1 too? Or am I misremembering

[paper haven]

Yeah.

[storm jungle]

Uhh the orks disappear after the chaos forces roll in

the Warboss gets a cool moment out of it

[paper haven]

It's implied that the chaos forces pretty much wipe out the orks

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/Uox82AiheLI?si=Z9Dp1nEkNvmsW-te

[paper haven]

But you don't really see it, which is a shame

[young pecan]

Oh yeah he like wingman's for you against a big chaos guy if I remember right

YES

I loved that moment

[outer wave]

Then he kisses his chaos marine BF on the lips

[young pecan]

Maybe not for you but

[paper haven]

"YA GOT NEU FRIENDS SPAHCE MARINE!?!?"

[storm jungle]

Grimskull was a homie to the end

[queen laurel]

i am going to kick your nuts so hard that it will twist into a balloon animal

[storm jungle]

"OI, GET OFF MAH SHIP SPESS MAHREEN"

[outer wave]

Damn thats impressive footwork

[queen laurel]

Orks always nail it with their characters on games

[young pecan]

We should get a Yakuza-esque brawler game for 40k

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-shun-akiyama-akiyama-gif-25693074

[outer wave]

Like a Grot series

[queen laurel]

I love that four of these guys are genuinely badass then there's the one with the fuzzy hair and schizophrenia

[crisp heath]

Yeah I got no idea how space marine players keep their armor up

[young pecan]

Focusing the big guys helps disable the small ones around you

Unless you mean chaos, that of which I haven't reached

The three light attack into heavy attack (stomp) on the chainsword helps stagger and usually gets you a gun execute too

[queen laurel]

And to add to this classes also variety of ways to prevent armor loss and keep them topped up

the Bulwark banner for example regenerates armor

[crisp heath]

It’s not even the little guys it’s just swarms of the small nids that rip me apart

3 attacks of the little guys I can’t dodge or block and then my health starts chunking

[scenic bolt]

go for synapse creatures, their death kills the gaunts surrounding it

[young pecan]

The little rat looking tyranids or the hormogaunts?

[crisp heath]

RATS

THE VERMINTIDE

[young pecan]

Ohh you need to use the pyreblaster for them if you are where I think you are

Should be ||on a corpse before you have to start dealing with them ||

[crisp heath]

Ohhh, no the gaunts then

Not rippers

Swarms of 50 gaunts I cleave through most of them and get swarmed and lose all my health

Can’t really safely block or dodge so you just gotta eat it or look silly and dodge roll all over

[young pecan]

Which melee are you using?

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1281431334048239656/Untitled_Project_V13.gif

[crystal forum]

why are some las weapons in 30k called gravis

[crisp heath]

Chainsword

[spare osprey]

basically just means stronger tbh

nothing crazy

gravis auto cannons are a thing too I think

[crisp heath]

Yeah I don’t know something just ain’t clicking

[autumn cypress]

Lady Alice is a rogue trader right?

[gray umbra]

Apparently alice runs brahms finances

[arctic talon]

She's the seneschal of Brahms who is the Rogue Trader

[gray umbra]

And does some smuggling on the side

[crystal forum]

the red hand print looks like somebody was grabbing her boobs lol

[sacred ginkgo]

I wonder what her "Introduce me" would sound like

[arctic talon]

prolly much more flourishy then Abelards

[crystal forum]

abelard, tell them to kiss my boots

[sacred ginkgo]

I feel like there woulf be an incredible amount of sarcasm/acid

[crystal forum]

who's the DLC clothing lady

[sacred ginkgo]

Lady Alice

The Senechal

[crystal forum]

oh her

she sucks i hate her

[sacred ginkgo]

I think she's fun

[arctic talon]

I think she's funny

[sacred ginkgo]

"sleep lightly melk"

[crystal forum]

i wish everybody death except hadron

she's ok

[sacred ginkgo]

...interesting choices

[crystal forum]

they're all too cheerful

[autumn cypress]

They were pretty dismissive and sour at launch

Unfortunately that turned people away, which I understand

[rose thorn]

Hey who knows about how gw works

Me and my partner are talking about if the 40k team gotten worse after AOS

This is her proof

[autumn cypress]

Thats more of a paint diff i think

[rose thorn]

My argument is space marine syndrome

[queen laurel]

honestly this is just space marine modelling issues

They are rather being a bit more bland than usual

40k team can still make some insane stuff

[arctic talon]

Mortarion came out when AoS was out though 💀

I think 40k's model quality has always been somewhat inconsistent

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

AoS is more consistently good

but there's some stuff in AOS

that imo is fucking hideous lol

[queen laurel]

If we're going by consistent AOS all the way

[arctic talon]

AoS is more consistently good

but there's some minis that I think are ugly as fuck

this is a face mask

this is not Teclis

you are not convincing me this is not a fucking mask

its so goddamn ugly

[queen laurel]

After a tech decided to be a bit more evil I think this is fitting that he is now ugly

[rose thorn]

My favorite part is you can just cover his face lol and pretend it someone’s else or it’s a bit chilly

Also I think it’s just how he was painted

[arctic talon]

no

I've seen it unpainted

its just ugly imo

[rose thorn]

HES SCULPTED IGLY

[arctic talon]

Like

literally just paint it as a mask

and it looks so much fucking better

GW's paint scheme really doesn't help with it imo

but its just not a good face

[rose thorn]

Use a likened green stuff to fill in the cheek muscles

[queen laurel]

what being a bit more evil does to a zogger

[rose thorn]

It would be a good mask

[arctic talon]

either way AoS has pretty consistently good stuff

40k is

usually not as consistent

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah by the way which is more accurate for AOS lore

Lex or wiki

[arctic talon]

uh

idfk

[queen laurel]

you failed me again this time i shall sentence you into buying 500 tzaangors

[rose thorn]

Lex

(I’m friends with Lex ppl)

[queen laurel]

aight that's good

Because warhammer fantasy lex wasn't the best

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha the aos team actually reads the books

And doesn’t base their lore off total war loading screens or racial stereotypes

[queen laurel]

Yeah warhammer fantasy lex just is missing a bit of stuff but other than that it is pretty still consistent

[rose thorn]

The Lex team is great I just forgot to finish the joke ;~

It’s not the Lex team’s fault the lore is fucking old

[queen laurel]

yeah that is true

Like at the end of the day they are still the better Lore keepers because they actually read stuff

and not just copy and paste

[radiant lance]

Tomorrow is space marine 2 day

What hymns should I chant to prepare?

[outer wave]

Lilium

[crystal forum]

people still play that game?

[outer wave]

Which game?

[crystal forum]

SM2

https://youtu.be/-y7Faoa9o4Q?si=nWymC_Xjhh1qwz2h

@fallen plaza have you seen this channel

the production quality is through the roof

and they have so many models it's crazy

[outer wave]

Itd be insane if a game as played as SM2 just dies on release

[crystal forum]

yeye im joking since pre access

[outer wave]

Yuh

[fallen plaza]

Goddamn

[twilit musk]

ROCK AND STONE!!!

[bold rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-dont-talk-close-mouth-grab-lips-mad-family-gif-21732788

[shell mason]

Me when the gunner starts spewing that fuck shit

[crisp heath]

BDSM2 when?

[barren prawn]

soooooo sons of horus dont use kill for the living, kill for the dead anymore right?

its for the warmaster! and LUPERCAL! post heresy and kill is more of a luna wolves thing?

[spare osprey]

Yeah it’s more Luna wolves

[barren prawn]

ill keep using it in game then

[spare osprey]

Respect

Honestly the old Luna wolves was something

[barren prawn]

for me it goes the hardest out of any war cry

[spare osprey]

It’s definitely one of the best

[spare osprey]

Been trying to write a dark angel whose brother is one. Since they shared some recruiting worlds

Just read the first 4 heresy books too

Really cool legion

[small grail]

may the emperor get aiids

[crisp heath]

i think they were described as probably the best legion during the great cwusade

which is probably not determinable, but somehow i like the idea that they were before the fall, and then effectively devolved into the black legion

something tragic about it

[crystal forum]

Luna wolves are described as having more efficiency at killing than the other legions

they took the most direct strategies that actually worked

if i remember correctly, this is exemplified when loken (?) spars with lucius and ends up punching him in the face with his free hand to end the fight

[small grail]

howd loken go out

[crystal forum]

are you asking how he dies?

[small grail]

ye

thas the term

[crystal forum]

very late in the heresy, during the siege of terra

[warm comet]

How does most of Nurgle's army not just decay into uselessness?
Like surely after just a little bit of time, these guys would rot and completely fall apart. Does something stop that?

[crystal forum]

backstabbed

by erebus

[small grail]

damn

[spare osprey]

The rot gives them like unimaginable strength

[small grail]

thas rough

[spare osprey]

And sometimes they do

[crystal forum]

we only learnt this in the recent siege of terra book too

[small grail]

mm wasnt he the main character like technically of the heresy

[spare osprey]

There was a nurgle governor whose ankles broke under his own weight

[crystal forum]

his whole shtick is survival. his minions aren't rotting, they only look that way

[warm comet]

yeah but like I could have crazy strength, but if my whole body turned into slimy, rotten flesh then id surely just collapse into bones

[warm comet]

right, okay

[crystal forum]

the rot itself is the strength

[queen laurel]

their bodies are stuck on a weird of limbo rotting and being alive

[crystal forum]

the worms, the maggots, the flies

[queen laurel]

they can even regenerate

[small grail]

the ability to stibk like a used toilet bowl works wonnders seems like

[queen laurel]

Should they be really blessed

As much as he is the god of rot and disease

He's also a form of twisted life

[crystal forum]

remember it's chaos stuff. they dont follow normal laws of nature

[queen laurel]

Because disease can be alive

[warm comet]

that makes a bit more sense

[small grail]

mainly "love" as nurgle says

[warm comet]

I was just trying to imagine what a nurglite would do if they just fell apart from too much muscle strain lol

[crystal forum]

just of the first books. he disappears after that

[small grail]

nah they just rot but are hella resilient dude

slow yes but tough as shit

[warm comet]

and would a single Death Guard be too much for this game?
I feel like the answer should reasonably be 'yes', but ingame our characters are able to kill thousands of enemies every drop lol

[raven stone]

Also remember Nurgle is ultimately Warp based.

Meaning some of his blessings can defy natural laws of biology or physics.

[crisp heath]

that was erebus

[celest dome]

Power wise no
Narrative wise yes

[crisp heath]

he was sparring wirh

[raven stone]

They appear like rot or diseases we recognize but, being Warp based, is also much more

[crystal forum]

ah

[queen laurel]

take warhammer AOS for example a lord of plagues is literally rotting and his insides are literally falling apart but, since their bodies are basically rotting and are still robust they can shrug off a tremendous amount of pain

And thanks to the magic of the rot God they can literally just regrow those pieces you cut off easy peasy

[crisp heath]

sorry for the ACKSHUALLY i just like to think it's satisfying that it was erebus

[crystal forum]

in books, nurgle minions are usually described as being way too strong for how emaciated and rotted they are

[warm comet]

yeah, I always imagine how hard a plague ogryn would actually be to kill, considering how tough normal ones are

[crystal forum]

like absurdly strong

[raven stone]

It might also be helpful to think of Nurgle's blessings to be more like cancer

I.e. cells that don't know how to die.

[small grail]

true but remember its warp based so lotta laws are fucked by it

[queen laurel]

getting close to a plague marine would be suicide, but a good chunk of our classes do have the weapons to deal with them, veterans have plasma guns and crak grenades, and psykers can always turn it into molten slag

[raven stone]

It's just...really disgusting, rotting, stinking, putrid cancer.

[small grail]

but still begs the question how much pain are they truly in

[queen laurel]

basically nothing

[crystal forum]

i dont think nurgle worshipers even feel pain

[small grail]

cancer on steroids basically

[queen laurel]

their nerves are stuff like that have definitely been rotted off

they will not feel things that would make them suffer

[small grail]

i mean prior losing themselves

[queen laurel]

pain poison disease you name it

there are very few things that are going to harm them

[crystal forum]

nurgle's blessing is basically being free from mortality

[warm comet]

I was under the idea that even if they could, they sorta perceive painful/uncomfortable things as pleasant

[small grail]

no no i mean befor they become wat they are

wont there be some sorta pain]

[crystal forum]

that's more of a slaanesh thing

[raven stone]

That is more Slaanesh ye

[warm comet]

ah okie

[raven stone]

Obsession with sensations

[crystal forum]

nurgle worshipers just enjoy being stinky

[small grail]

slaaneshs gig

[queen laurel]

nah they basically take the slow suffering of humans and turn it into strength

that naturally occur

Things like torture and stuff like that which are inflicted deliberately

[small grail]

i mean nurgle loves all i guess

[queen laurel]

they don't like that

[small grail]

meant his folllowers

[warm comet]

and are there plague orks? afaik they wouldnt really be bothered to align with a chaos god, but can't you kinda just be zombified into a nurglite against your will?

[hallow plover]

I think there's plague orks in old material

There's even a plague genestealer cult

[raven stone]

Nurgle is a sentiet depression, disease and cancer hybrid tulpa.

All is destined to fail and fall apart, and his followers enjoy this inevitable, ultimate state of failure.

[queen laurel]

yes, most of the time it's them accidentally thinking he's one of the ork gods or getting infected with this disease but they don't like him

the more prominent chaos orks are often Khorne Stormboyz

[warm comet]

LOL

I love orks

[raven stone]

The old Demonhunters Codex basically explained how any races can end up accidentally worshipping Chaos

It is just the setting is human heavy (and Eldar heavy to account for Slaanesh)

[small grail]

there are plague ogryns in the lore?

[raven stone]

Yes

[queen laurel]

yes

[storm jungle]

Plague ogryns have been a part of lore like

since like 2010 lol

[raven stone]

If anything, Darktide gave them a status upgrade to a boss threat

[queen laurel]

yeah ogryns and Plague ogryns unfortunately only really became popular when dark tide rolled around

[storm jungle]

wait not even that, checked the wiki make that 2007 lol

[queen laurel]

WIKI?

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

You betrayed us therefore you will be boiled in the soup

[shadow plover]

well this is flat out wrong, ogryns have been beloved for far longer

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[small grail]

i like their design tho

[storm jungle]

Darktide gave them a much bigger status upgrade

also a ton of more drip

[shadow plover]

for sure but not like there wasn't loads of fans before

[small grail]

kinda confused what the beast of nurgle is

is it like a medusa?

[storm jungle]

Its essentially a massive slug with maggot hair

[chilly palm]

Best achievement of darktide on the wider 40k community is making ogryns more popular

[warm comet]

I never really hear about Slaanesh unless it's like 'look they made this child into a drum kit'

[queen laurel]

I didn't say they weren't well known I just said that, they are basically not well known outside much of the found them until darktide

[storm jungle]

Darktide gave ogryns a much bigger popularity boost yeah

[raven stone]

Technically speaking it is one of the few actual demonic entities we fight.

We are just lucky it is not sentient enough to communicate.

[hallow plover]

Og plague ogryns

[small grail]

what is their differences from orks tho? do they falll close to each other or?

[celest dome]

1st game to have them be a main unit

[chilly palm]

darktide to me is like. the definitive portrayal of ofryns

[storm jungle]

Same

they do a great job

[celest dome]

Like Ogryn and Orks ?

[storm jungle]

Orks got nothing to do with beasts of nurgle

or do you mean ogryns

[queen laurel]

Think of them as giant slugs that can literally melt us just by touching them

giant playful slugs

[warm comet]

i hate this fucking picture

[queen laurel]

that can melt you just by touching

[chilly palm]

Old lore once stated that ogryns sometimes were fighting alongside orcs but that’s gone iirc?

[warm comet]

it's disgusting

[small grail]

ogryns

[celest dome]

Ogryn are stronger than regular Orks

[small grail]

i meant ogryn

[celest dome]

Still there

Orks like Ogryn cause they act somewhat like them

[small grail]

yea thaats what confuses me

[warm comet]

are there many weapons ogryns have in lore which they dont have ingame yet?

[storm jungle]

An ork is a literal alien orc. Its not human.

Ogryns are humans suffering from gigantism on low gravity planets in the Imperium, it what gives them their massive size and they are kept dumb and docile for the Imperium to be used as labor or auxillary forces since they are usful.

[chilly palm]

Still never be orky enough for them..no matter how many gitz you grump

[raven stone]

Ogryns and Orks are very different.

Ogryns are mutated humans from heavy gravity world(s), hence the whole abhuman classification.

Orks are sentient fungi xenos. Angry, battle hungry fungi xenos.

[queen laurel]

nah Ogryns are well known mercenaries even outside the imperium biggest example is Lunk's Ladz

[small grail]

hm suppose the gravity makes em bigger idk

[chilly palm]

And ogryns are STILL cooler

[storm jungle]

[warm comet]

[queen laurel]

It's always funny to say to people that a fully grown ogryn is like very small for a war boss

[raven stone]

Supposedly, GW sci-fi is not the best in accuracy at times 😅

[storm jungle]

yeah in reality its the opposite IRL im sure

where high gravity makes you bigger

[celest dome]

Melee: 2h Axe (dead due to Pickaxes); 2h Hammers; Flails; Spudjacker; Brute Shields
Ranged: Heavy Bolter; Multilaser
Rest basically has to be written to be able to work (Lascannon; GSC Industrial Power Hammer...)

[small grail]

an imperator class titan vs a terracotta sentinel who wud win

from 40k and fatasy

[storm jungle]

I mean

a sentinel is not that big

lol

[chilly palm]

I seriously do hope the portrayal of ogryns cements itself in the community. The idea that ogryns are so stupid that they can’t open a door or forget to breath is so asinine

[warm comet]

I imagine an ogryn could kinda just rip an ork in half if they got their hands on one

[storm jungle]

It mostly already has dont worry

[chilly palm]

Are ogryns stronger than orks on table top?

[storm jungle]

literally half the reason people buy darktide is to play as an ogryn lol

[small grail]

but how are ogryns so strong when they are still human

[queen laurel]

give me fucking knuckle dusters

[storm jungle]

How is a body builder so strong while you're skinny

[warm comet]

YES LOL

[raven stone]

Rank and file Ork Boyz, possible. Not sure about any bigger.

[small grail]

nah a chain axe

[celest dome]

Well that already is featured in some cosmetics

[small grail]

not wrong

[queen laurel]

dude, have you seen how large these guys are

[chilly palm]

Awsome, next plan is for the Writers to make my ogryn stories

[queen laurel]

these guys can clock in 10 feet

[small grail]

ik but dont they have like human strength wudnt they?

[celest dome]

Ogryn rarely get chain lorewise. But there is a Chain cleaver art for them by the artist that worked on Darktide

[chilly palm]

BL make ogryns protagonist and my life is urs

[warm comet]

im always surprised that the Bodyguard Ogryn is not the one with the bonead implant

[storm jungle]

You are literally asking "how can a guy with huge muscles be strong"

[queen laurel]

no, they can drag a 38 ton Chimera around what

what part of human strength is that

[small grail]

i mean sure but an ogryn with a two handed warhammer

[small grail]

didnt know that

fuck

[storm jungle]

bruh

[warm comet]

an ogryn would probably be a deadly warrior with just a very big log

[small grail]

cleared thanks

[queen laurel]

these guys can break a terminator in two by doing a Bane on them

[chilly palm]

And that warhammer?

There’s 40k of them…

[storm jungle]

The human body even IRL is also like extremely adaptable. Look up videos where some guy makes himself obese with fat before working it all off to get extremely muscular.

[chilly palm]

Title drop

[small grail]

dudeeeeeeee

[chilly palm]

Delete the chat witchfinder

It’s over

[small grail]

k

[celest dome]

Hammer is not chain ? Unless you go with the Chaos Chain Hammer, which suck or the older one, which hasn't appeared in ages

[chilly palm]

I finished it for us all

[storm jungle]

yes

[small grail]

no no i just mean a hammer

[celest dome]

Melee: 2h Axe (dead due to Pickaxes); 2h Hammers; Flails; Spudjacker; Brute Shields
Ranged: Heavy Bolter; Multilaser
Rest basically has to be written to be able to work (Lascannon; GSC Industrial Power Hammer...)

[chilly palm]

I like to imagines orcs first fighting ogryns and going “NOW THAT’Z A REAL HUMIE”

[queen laurel]

I mean no offense but like look at this do you think these guys have average human strength

[chilly palm]

Looks like every body builder trying to sneak into the all natty division

While ON the juice

[crystal forum]

ogryns are quite literally superhuman in stength

musclepower alone

[chilly palm]

If ogryns weren’t dumb as rocks they would be superior to baseline humans are more fit to survive the 40k universe

[crystal forum]

put them in power armour and you'd have super strong space marines

if they were smart

[storm jungle]

why do that when you can just send 10340591 penal troops in to clog enemy guns.

[shadow plover]

justice served

[small grail]

how wud they do against space marines lorewise

[storm jungle]

Win/lose situation

extremely "it depends"

[small grail]

like has their been any interations

[storm jungle]

we got canon examples of an ogryn suplexing a chaos terminator and breaking its neck lol

[shadow plover]

mostly on who is the story's protagonist

[storm jungle]

You are basically asking "Can Mike Tyson beat a Silverback Gorilla"

[queen laurel]

they are physically speaking can literally tear a marine out of their armor, in physical strength they basically beat the marines, but the marine is pretty skilled and basically faster so it really depends

[crystal forum]

it wouldn't be an easy fight for the space marine protagonist let's put it that way

[storm jungle]

what Bulgur said

[small grail]

hm

[queen laurel]

bro paid the zoo for a chance to square up to that animal

[storm jungle]

i wish he did just to see him get hospitalized tbh

[chilly palm]

Ok but what if the ogryn took of HIS helmet huh?

[storm jungle]

fucking egomaniac lol

[celest dome]

Honestly Mike Tyson vs Gorilla is mean
What I want to see is Tyson vs a Chimpanzee

[raven stone]

Also depends on Marine rank.

Marines can vary from absolutely hot off the surgical bench, to Veterans with 100 yrs worth of combat experience

[storm jungle]

LOL

the chimpanzee would prob eat his face

[queen laurel]

you just want him killed at that point

[storm jungle]

well yeah its mike tyson

[small grail]

are there different kind of dreaddnoughts? in 40k

[chilly palm]

Bites his ear off

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Yes

[chilly palm]

Imagine

[storm jungle]

lots

[chilly palm]

Full circle

[crystal forum]

have you seen hairless chimps

those things are pure muscle

[storm jungle]

Chimps are literal full-muscle yeah

[small grail]

the one in space marine 2 seemed more agile

[storm jungle]

they can genuinely kill you no-sweat

[storm jungle]

thats a primaris one

[crystal forum]

plus they got a vicious bite

[storm jungle]

those fangs aint for show

[crystal forum]

they can tear off chunks

[small grail]

do they have a full bodied pilot or like the same

[storm jungle]

All the same

functions are just differnet

[queen laurel]

It also doesn't help that these guys are actively malicious and they prolong your suffering as much as they can

they will bite off your fingers tear off your face slowly killing you

[small grail]

what are the penguin walk ones called

[storm jungle]

The what?

they all penguin walk

lol

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dreadnought

Get to reading

[crisp heath]

i think we just have to remember that astartes are much more agile than an ogryn, an ogryn shouldn't be able to grab one very easily. pretty sure it's canon that an astartes could always stay behind even a normal human in a fight if he wanted to, let alone big boy ogryn

!!!!!!

[storm jungle]

Uh it depends again.

you can dodge a gorilla

but the moment it grabs you its game over

kek

[small grail]

oh im so fucked

[storm jungle]

Their functions are super basic, just read the top text on the page and you are set lol

[queen laurel]

yeah, you can dodge it but an ogryn can take a hilarious amount of damage and literally break a marine

[crisp heath]

yeah!!! but i am not faster than a gorilla than an astartes is faster than an ogryn

[crystal forum]

idk how gorillas fight

[storm jungle]

Uh its never violent

[crystal forum]

but i doubt they'd do your average jab and hook

[storm jungle]

they puff their chests and beat on em

[queen laurel]

you would be surprised on how fast an ogryn could go

[storm jungle]

when something attacks them its just downwards slams

[crisp heath]

me neither but i like the fact that they are basically gentle giants who wont attack unless provoked. kinda like hornets!

[storm jungle]

well no

not all ogryns are "heheo im so nice"

[crisp heath]

i suppose i would

[storm jungle]

as we've seen with Bully theres ones who are assholes too

theres no way an entire sub-species of humans can just have the same personality

[queen laurel]

yeah some are straight up feral too

[crystal forum]

sometimes they're pumped full of chems to make them super aggressive too

[queen laurel]

no more than an animal

[crystal forum]

and ignore pain

[queen laurel]

that will punch your entire upper half

off of your legs

[crystal forum]

a normal human on bath salts is crazy enough

[crisp heath]

lol

[crystal forum]

no feel for pain means you use 100% of your muscles

[crisp heath]

did you knowered the apparent bath salts zombie who ate somebodys face wasnt even on bath salts. in fact, he was completely sober.

funny to me

[storm jungle]

I think that was in Miami

which explains a lot

[crisp heath]

but yeah you're still right about drug psychosis

[crisp heath]

xd

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-vice-drive-moto-vice-city-driving-paggio-canxfx-gif-7738074585567492612

[raven stone]

...why is this the first time I heard of this bath salts zombie...

[crisp heath]

me neither, i thought everyone heard of it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

apparently he was tested only positively for cannabis, but he probably wasnt on it at the time i think. we know that he consumed 5 water bottles and a bible prior to the attack

[raven stone]

...
That is... wow.

And actually, I Google searched bath salts zombie, which...

...is the title of an actual comic/novel

[crisp heath]

i mean, yeah, things happen just like that

i'm now thinking of the guy who sat beside someone in a bus and at some point just started stabbing him in the neck

[crystal forum]

bruh they actually officially renamed vet guardsmen to death korp

i thought it was a mistake

[crisp heath]

he then removed his head, ate parts of it, and then showed it to surrounding police outside the bus

and he wasnt on drugs eithee

currently on the public train so uncomfortable to be reminded of this lol

[crisp heath]

good for some goodnight literature maybe.

[small grail]

how messed up wud be the imperiums finances dude

the amount of science projects they have

jeez

[crystal forum]

i know generic units sucked in killteam but actively removing the idea that you can proxy is pretty petty on GW's part

unless this means they're thinking of adding more guard regiments i guess

since krieg is being phased out next year

[storm jungle]

they also look like generic kriegsmen

so it works fine, pretty uniform'y

[crystal forum]

they used to just be called veteran guardsmen before though

so you could just assume you could play any type of regiment

[storm jungle]

Not anymore.

https://tenor.com/view/ba-sing-se-gif-20976912

Theres no Veteran Kriegsman.

[small grail]

the amount of scince experiments malcador did is jus atrocius

[crystal forum]

what

yes there are

[storm jungle]

watch some media and get the reference you fucking numbskull

[crystal forum]

no

[storm jungle]

yes

[small grail]

may be unrealistic but the finances of the imperium must be in shambles dawg

[raven stone]

On better/worse news.

This could imply different Guard regiments get their own rules for Kill Team

[crystal forum]

ok

[storm jungle]

now stop complaining

Theres no easter bunny

Theres no tooth fairy

and theres no veteran kriegsmen

[small grail]

no santa

[raven stone]

I mean, Cadians, Catachans and Krieg all do slightly different rules in big 40k

[crystal forum]

yeah that's what i said too. but it also means there wont be a generic catch all term which idk if i like or not

i hope this means we might get shit like mordians

[small grail]

in real snse what wud yall estimate the imperiums finances honestly

[crystal forum]

since GW is going to keep pumping out killteams

[small grail]

not askin exact amount just an estimate

[rocky gale]

I will laugh if the big "Krieg Reveal" they've been teasing is just going to be a reboxed version of the Killteam, with an Krieg upgrade sprue for the rest of the army and a single Krieg HQ.

[crystal forum]

LOL

that would be very fucking funny

[rocky gale]

It would fit the effort 40ks been getting recently tbh

Well, it would be more effort than most factions got tbh

[storm jungle]

they dont really have finances

so thats the thing

[crystal forum]

cant forget the codex arriving just before the launch of 11th

that's definitely going to happen

[queen laurel]

the blood of the innocent that is used to power the rotting and rusting machine that is the imperium

[rocky gale]

Na they've got their release for the start of 2025, so they're safe from that atleast

[wintry scarab]

What does this red star shape thing mean? See a lot of marines have it.

[crystal forum]

looks like an iron halo

[storm jungle]

Its basically an aesthetic thing

[crisp heath]

it does but arent they supposed to be super rare even in m35k?

[storm jungle]

a lot of space marine imagery has it

[crystal forum]

not that rare for space marines

uncommon yeah

for normal humans tho super duper rare

like most space marine stuff

heavy class gets one in SM2

which is actually not kosher since i dont believe any non character gravis model gets one on tabletop

[wintry scarab]

Besides its practical use, does an iron halo have any sort of meaning?

[warm comet]

it means you're cool as hell

[crystal forum]

well of course for mechanicus it's the omnissiah and stuff

for imperials i think it does have some sort of significance

there's some artwork of the emperor with a halo looking thing

[crisp heath]

my helldivers 2 destroyer is called Halo of Iron 💯

[small grail]

emperors holy light i guess

[crystal forum]

which of course is stylized after medieval art showing christ figures and saints with halos around their heads

[shadow plover]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Halo

[small grail]

oh how i fucked up

[crisp heath]

all i know is that goge vandire used one and deliberately got shot with one, when the bullet got deflected and because iron haloes are so rare humans dont usually know about it, he convinced the sisters of the emperor that the emperor watches over him with miracles.

[rocky gale]

Think that was a Rosarius

[crystal forum]

yeah i dont think it was iron halo

[wintry scarab]

Oh, so its just a badge of honour

[crisp heath]

oh, there's a difference?

[small grail]

ye

[rocky gale]

Yea, Rosarius' are more common amongst the Sororitas

[crisp heath]

i must atone with self-flagellation, 50 whips to the back

[rocky gale]

But back then they weren't

[small grail]

can guardsmen become primaris?

i know i know that onyl marines can but is it possibvle

[shadow plover]

too old

[wintry scarab]

Space marines can only become space marines because they are picked out as kids

same as halo spartan 2s

[small grail]

meanin?

[shadow plover]

to become a space marine you need to start as a kid

[small grail]

really? thas wild

[rocky gale]

Initiates are usually kids or teens

Ye

[small grail]

dont they get like physically remade

[crystal forum]

that's custodes

[rocky gale]

No they get enhanced and implanted as they grow naturally

[crisp heath]

honestly, i never understood why 30 year olds couldnt become astartes, considering the fact that many astartes are selected at the end or late puberty (cf. blood angels, space wolves)

[shadow plover]

something something space science, geneseed won't stick unless you're young enough

[crisp heath]

to me they should all be babbies like the custodes, and even then i would say the process should begin with the embryonic statw

[crystal forum]

needs to be grimdark

so kids being transformed into monsters etc etc

[wintry scarab]

I mean taking kids and making them into super soldier evil dudes is way cooler than having just normal guys be super soldiers.

[crisp heath]

could still be grimdark!!! kriegers are vat-grown. but yeah i guess abducting pubescent kids is more grimdaek

[crystal forum]

that's not fully confirmed

the vat grown part

[crisp heath]

ok

100 whips to the back

[wintry scarab]

Having kreig be vat grown, imo just makes them less cool. Takes away so much of their character if they are basically programmed to be the way they are.

[crystal forum]

it's funny because this random little valhallan book is the only one i found that mentions how their home planet can maintain such numbers

women aren't normally allowed on the front line because they uh serve their purpose

but that's specifically valhallans

non fertile women are allowed though

one of the characters is one of those

[shadow plover]

that doesn't sound right given how Ciaphas Cain has a full platoon of women soldiers

[crystal forum]

could be lore inconsistency

[wintry scarab]

Do ravenguard have squad number markings?

[crystal forum]

but that's what the book says

it's brought up because one of the characters is a depressed girl lol

she doesn't think she's good enough to be a soldier

tbh i dont like how valhallans are depicted in the cain books

[storm jungle]

Dont really take the way anything is done in the Cain books as lore.

the writer himself has said the lore around the books should not be taken seriously

since its more of a comedy series than anything more upfront

[crystal forum]

ah ok

[storm jungle]

I'd go find the tweet but well

you know, twitter lol

i think it was someone also asking the same thing to them in a comment thread, dont super remember the context

[crisp heath]

do you mean X?

[storm jungle]

SHUT UP AAA-

[crisp heath]

!!!!!!!

[leaden pilot]

seems like they have it on their knee

[crystal forum]

women not being soldiers specifically because of birth rate issues is grimdark as fuck imo

i just dont wanna sound like those bozos who act like women cadians is dumb because reasons

when you're facing off an ork i dont think it matters if you're a man or a woman lol you're still getting your skull caved in

[storm jungle]

It is but 40k tends to ignore sexist themes most of the time.

Its kinda hypocritical but they explore it in other adeptas usually, the Guard just has anyone in it since more bodies for the meat grinder theme yada yada

[crystal forum]

yeah i'm ok with the setting doing that

we can be very grateful that adding women to most factions isn't controversial

god forbid you add one to a faction that even remotely resemble astartes though

[crisp heath]

i've heard that when the sororitas were introduced as a faction, neckbeards had the same reaction to it as to the custodes thing now lol

[gray umbra]

Probably true

People were flipping out because chairon was black iirc

[crystal forum]

that's funny considering how most 40k nerds treat sororitas as fan service

[green loom]

Apparently since there are already women in the setting, we don't need any more
But we always need more men

[crystal forum]

average chud logic

[crisp heath]

clearly what we need is an enby faction

[green loom]

Real preach

[green loom]

They just really really like men

[fleet parcel]

so whats with the cherubs in sm2, ive never seen them before in any form of 40k media

[paper haven]

Space marine 2 yeeeeeeah boy

[dusk patrol]

They’re a super common thing

[fleet parcel]

really

[dusk patrol]

They’ve been around since basically the start

[fleet parcel]

what are they called

pls dont say cherub

[paper haven]

They're called cherubs I'm pretty sure

[fleet parcel]

[crystal forum]

they are

dont ask how they're made

[paper haven]

Same way as every other servitor is made

[fleet parcel]

so grab a baby and modify it i suppose

[crystal forum]

notice their skin is usually in better condition than servitors

[dusk patrol]

They’re generally vat grown from the owner

More recent lore has moved away from using actual babies for awhile

[crystal forum]

i just assume they're animatronic

[fleet parcel]

isnt animatronic or any form of ai illegal?

[dusk patrol]

They’re still servitors it’s just grown from the person who owns them generally

Which idk if that’s better or worse

It’s a clone baby kinda basically

[dusk patrol]

No

[paper haven]

I figured they lobotomized babies.

[dusk patrol]

AI is

[crystal forum]

basic machine intelligence isnt

[fleet parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-the-baddies-bad-not-funny-police-gif-15976877

[dusk patrol]

In older lore they did and possibly still do but it hasn’t been mentioned in regards to them in a long time

[fleet parcel]

i guess even 40k draws the line somewhere

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-not-a-bad-boy-i-am-trying-to-catch-a-bad-boy-if-anything-i-am-a-good-boy-captain-ray-holt-andre-braugher-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-16300533

[dusk patrol]

On another discord someone was looking for any source or implication on them using babies still and it’s all from quite old sources without any new sources mentioning it

[fleet parcel]

the end justify the means type shit

[opaque coyote]

I honestly think Cherubs are the most disturbing

And yet the coolest shit ever

Because like

[dusk patrol]

They’re very creepy either way

[fleet parcel]

as someone who never noticed them, in sm2 i was like, since where did 40k have cupid

[crystal forum]

they appear much stronger than average babies so my headcannon was always animatronic

[opaque coyote]

It's an inversion with like

Cherubs singing as angels fall down from the sky.

Except the angels are Space Marines looking to murder your entire race

[crystal forum]

seems simpler than growing a baby and modifying it

[opaque coyote]

They probably skin them tbh

[fleet parcel]

for tech priest this is nothing i assume

[opaque coyote]

Skin them

Place the skin on an animatronic frame

Jobs done

[fleet parcel]

just your saturday night activity

[opaque coyote]

Move onto the next one

"Why do people turn to chaos????"

[crystal forum]

you dont see them for average imperials though. cherubs are usually for special people

[paper haven]

I agree that lobotomized babies pretending to be angels matches pretty well with human super soldiers dropping from low orbit to murder everything

[crystal forum]

so i doubt it's some simple process

at least is has to be harder than a servo skull

[opaque coyote]

Either that or the reason why they're only for special people is BECAUSE they are fragile

[crystal forum]

they also hold a special aesthetic purpose of course

imperials love this type of shit

[opaque coyote]

Like

"This took Tech Priest #921 like 3 hours to make. We aren't just gonna let some random Hiver throw rocks at it."

[fleet parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-ogryn-rock-gif-10374488513425509350

[opaque coyote]

YEET

[paper haven]

Bonk

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I always thought Ogyrns should have like

A spear

Like they throw spears

[crystal forum]

hadron preparing the equipment for your mission and sighing while she grabs a handful of rocks for the ogryn

[opaque coyote]

It's not like a fancy spear either