40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

no problem with that

[cobalt matrix]

I'm doing hardest diffs with heavy rn with multimelta on level 7-8

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

I mean

tf you want me to say lol

[cobalt matrix]

multimelta is god tier

[arctic talon]

you shoot and shank em

[gray umbra]

so far i have been a fan of vanguard

[storm jungle]

god my Assault is at lvl6

i should have quit earlier

[spark nebula]

I like the one with the grappling hook

[dusk patrol]

Honestly you don’t need to level a lot of classes to do good if you get a team

It makes it easier and some get a lot better but

[storm jungle]

Yeah i just want to land on one im good at

honestly id go Heavy but he has no melee lol

[cobalt matrix]

my assault is level 8, im struggling to play it rn. The jetpack cd is so fuuuucking long

[storm jungle]

unless your team knows their job you are fucked

[hallow plover]

He has the stomp

[dusk patrol]

You can easily play highest difficulty with like low level dudes if you’re coordinating a bit

[cobalt matrix]

I need to get to the cd nodes but

[spark nebula]

Just grapple
Melta
Chainsword
Execute
Easy

[cobalt matrix]

you need levels lmao

[storm jungle]

I went to play assault after seeing the jetpack in the campaign, then realised the jetpack cooldown is like half an hour lol

[cobalt matrix]

SAME bro holy siht

[hallow plover]

Is there something that decides which team I am on? I've been in heretics every game

[storm jungle]

🫂

[cobalt matrix]

first time I used it i was like, wait wtf is this

[storm jungle]

literally THE only reason i stuck with Assault is the hammer

its legit great but goddamn the jetpack is dogshit

the worst part is its also NOT as mobile as the one Titus uses

[spark nebula]

Tbh I hope we get heretic missions
That might be fun

[storm jungle]

you can barely even get on platforms

[cobalt matrix]

yes bro titus got the premium one 😦

[storm jungle]

waaaa

[cobalt matrix]

mine can't even fly wtf

[hallow plover]

I don't use the jetpack to stomp people; it's trash

just use it to quick dash a corner or close up

[storm jungle]

When i stomp down with the pack i legit cannot tell if it kills anyone

LOL

[spark nebula]

Then again it wouldn't make much sense for so many of the chaos astartes to cooperate

[cobalt matrix]

but then using it as a dash feels sooo terrible because the cd is an hour

[hallow plover]

Might as well play grappling hook guy tho

[spark nebula]

Then again it probably doesn't count
Like how pve marines are only in blue in lore

[storm jungle]

^

hes prob the most fun one

and actually versatile

[cobalt matrix]

exactly, he's 10 times better

and he has melta gun

[storm jungle]

he can also like

absolutely DANCE with bosses

[arctic talon]

It’s a fucked up black legion warband

[storm jungle]

if you can parry properly

[arctic talon]

Is my bet lol

[cobalt matrix]

combat blade is real mobile as well

[arctic talon]

Only place you’ll see a combo like that

[storm jungle]

yep its great

the problem is i suck at melee

LOL

[cobalt matrix]

[hallow plover]

It's ok, everyone sucks at melee

[cobalt matrix]

wait you tryna do melee? Let me give you 3 unparriable attacks real quick

[storm jungle]

the problem is i legit cannot tell if its the game or me

[hallow plover]

are we trash or the melee system is trash? ||or both?||

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[gray umbra]

its both

[cobalt matrix]

oh you came close to me? here a free full serving of a shotgun blast

[storm jungle]

i hate it because its so easy to fix, literally just add back getting HP by killing enemies.

Like i legit got no idea why they removed it

even in SM1 one it wasnt busted

lol

[hallow plover]

Tbh, I just make a backstep and magdump melee simps

[storm jungle]

what if you run out of ammo

[cobalt matrix]

just like a %10 hp back per execution

[storm jungle]

[cobalt matrix]

would be so good

[hallow plover]

A backstep beats their simian brains

[storm jungle]

Or that yeah

like its such a braindead idea

"oh lets make it os it gives back armor"

ah yes armor that gets shredded in 1s

fuck you

lol

[cobalt matrix]

Also, why the actual fuck do we not have i frames during gunshot animation?

it's such a bait

[storm jungle]

Im gonna assume thats on the bug list

its awful

[cobalt matrix]

you see crosshair on enemy, you press button, you lose more armor than you would gain and get chipped on top of it

lol lmao even

[storm jungle]

also another thing i noticed

....does any class have a flamer?

[hallow plover]

Is there a reward for finishing the game on AoD? or am I suffering for nothing?

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

Flamer is campaign only

[storm jungle]

the fuck

[sour hornet]

If I can't understand it, it doesn't matter anyway.

[cobalt matrix]

is mayonnaise a flamer?

[spark nebula]

One hit from the crow tzeench melee unit things takes an entire thing of armor lol

[cobalt matrix]

one other thing

[storm jungle]

the tzaangors? Lmao yeah

[arctic talon]

One tzangillion minis sold

One tzangillion marines killed

[spark nebula]

Instead of an unstoppable powerhouse you feel like a glass cannon

[arctic talon]

Tzaangor sweep

[sour hornet]

Problems beyond our comprehension, do you see the problem with that sentence, how are we supposed to be horrified if we can’t even comprehend you? It’s just fear of the unknown at that point and that shits weak as hell

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cobalt matrix]

why are the little tyranid fuckers dealing an entire armor bar worth of damage if they barely clip you?

why is it not like half armor

[storm jungle]

Because the combat system is designed like shit

lol

you literally need to abuse the parry system

[spark nebula]

Hell it dispels my belief that four rejects couldn't stop a space marine

[hallow plover]

It's lore accurate

[spark nebula]

We'd absolutely bully one

[hallow plover]

the grim darkness of modern gaming

[storm jungle]

A single knife zealot could prob kill Titus

lol lmao

[cobalt matrix]

my brother, my zealot can solo a group of 3 space marines from sm2

the armor feels like paper

[storm jungle]

I love how the moment we recieve heavy damage the tactic is just to dark souls roll-spam

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-elden-ring-dark-souls-gif-25429762

[cobalt matrix]

real af lmao

[sour hornet]

Slaaneshi super torture is terrible because I know exactly how I'm going to suffer and it will be for basically eternity

[storm jungle]

yeah i hope you like having your skin pulled

to be like 5m

[storm jungle]

its hilarious but just fuck off lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah I’m surprised how squishy

[storm jungle]

again i really hope they fix the system

[arctic talon]

You seem

[storm jungle]

its just not fun

[cobalt matrix]

i agree, it is really not fun

[spark nebula]

I think I like fighting the nids more than the cultists

[hallow plover]

That's it, i'm making my marines Raccoon-schemed

if possible

[gray umbra]

i dropped back to normal because i would just get eaten alive by mobs

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^

[spark nebula]

It's much more satisfying to mow down the swarms

[cobalt matrix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/ptr4sk/dark_souls_roll/

[gray umbra]

my veteran has better time with crowd control using a shovel than titus with a power sword lmao

[sour hornet]

Someone edited immortal imperium into Calgars arrival scene and it went so hard

[spark nebula]

But killing the individual heretic soldiers with a single shot from the BP is pretty funny too

[cobalt matrix]

sm2 experience

[cobalt matrix]

my veteran uses power sword better lol

anyways going deep into another operation. Time to spam roll and abuse parry system

[spark nebula]

I hope we get some weapons from SM2 in Darktide

[arctic talon]

Ngl I’m not sure why

[spark nebula]

Tho the selection is limited

[arctic talon]

They like

Made this game not an absurd power fantasy like the first one

Like yeah it’s a power fantasy

But it’s not nearly as batshit insane lol

[spark nebula]

It's a power fantasy that pulls you back into reality often

[storm jungle]

okay another thing

so im maaking my marine a black templar

i get the pauldron logo right

ı gotta buy another fucking version of it

for my other pauldron

OH MY GOD

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS YSTEM

[spark nebula]

It is pretty annoying since the cosmetic currency is the same as the upgrade currency

[storm jungle]

Yeah its such a dogshit concept

ah well

back to grinding Operations tomorrow i guess

[gray umbra]

so i got that part ||where the dreadnaught throws a fucking statue at that daemon||

[storm jungle]

its amazing

[sour hornet]

What a badass

Wakes up, immediately wants to know if Magnus is here so he can throw hands

[sour hornet]

https://youtu.be/U3DOkBapknw?si=CG-_cvOJoqvpEtxS

[crisp heath]

The tactical marine feels kinda weak ngl

[rose thorn]

Gw i know you don’t wanna call it collectors edition since you are bundling the cards and the book together but

Really

Don’t think this is a good name

But i appreciate gw making it more accessible

You are paying more (for a worse battle cover) but you also get an expensive thing free

[green loom]

Just adding War for Wargamer would've made it nicer lol

[rose thorn]

YEA LMAO

i think they even own the copyright to that word too

honeslty if they called it collectors edition

alot of people would be pissed

because this looks liek dog shit

the cover

[crystal forum]

lol

there's a perk you get as heavy that heals you back damage you've taken if you do damage

i can heal back to full with two multi melta shots

[rose thorn]

did they ever sya the lore for persk

[sour hornet]

Why didn't Titus get his rank back?

[queen laurel]

yeah just call it like Verminlord edition or something

at least make the naming belong to the faction it's supposed to be for

[green loom]

Acheran is already captain, he was a blackshield(not cash money)

[hallow plover]

his old position was given while he was in the deathwatch and there's no other vacant captain slot in the chapter

[sour hornet]

He freeballed a Lord of Change and a chaos sorcerer, and all he got was some leaves? Is that all they could give him?

[winter vessel]

Not everyone gets a shiny medal and a promotion. Unless Acheran dies and someone else takes his place, Titus remains as he is.

[surreal nest]

i think every faction should be getting one of these, so a unique name for every single pack would ultimately be confusing

[sour hornet]

The chaos promotion scheme seems a bit better honestly. The chaos guy got dogwalked by Titus 200 years ago and still kept his powers. Titus literally helps save a planet and gets reprimanded.

That's a little unfair you gotta admit.

[winter vessel]

It’s 40k, since when is anything fair?

Nemo got chaos juiced,

[sour hornet]

Fairest answer I've seen

[winter vessel]

But is still an ant’s worth of power scaling

Compared to the other shit you’ve seen in the Warp and Chaos

Titus, is redeemed in the eyes of many of his chapter, besides Little Bitch Leandros

He also has the honor of being in his Chapter Master’s retinue on a further undisclosed mission. that to me, signifies more importance than some rank.

[surreal nest]

Isn't titus also one of the longest serving ultramarines in history?

[crystal forum]

he's definitely lived and survived far more than the average space marine

[gray umbra]

it feels like leandros knows he was in the wrong but he needs to double down on it

[crystal forum]

if titus were a psyker he'd be a grey knight by now just saying

i wouldn't be surprised if the guy's a low power blank at this point

[paper haven]

Did they ever explain his warp resistance?

[crystal forum]

not yet

but it's pointed out to be abnormal

[sour hornet]

Maybe he just doesn't care?

[crystal forum]

and at the end they just admit that for all the shit he's been through he has more willpower than anybody else

ultramarines dont deserve him

[sour hornet]

they really don't tbf

[plush mason]

they kinda do at the end of the campaign

so cant answer that here without spoiling it

[dusk patrol]

It’s partially his job as a Chaplain to be a hardass like that tbh

[opaque coyote]

I remember originally they actually planned for Titus to actually be a blank

That's why he was able to resist all the warpy shit

But plans probably have changed since then since this was the original plan for SM2

Back when they thought they wouldn't get a sequel in general

So it definitely changed since it's been almost a decade since that was said

Unless if it didn't but idk

It does also explain why Leandros was such a bitch ass. Titus's blank aura probably made Leandros dislike him unconsciously

If we go with the original plan

I wonder what happened to Leandros anyways

I'm so excited to buy SM2

[spark nebula]

Dudes I got fake spoiled

I saw glimpses of thumbnails and their titles
Stuff like ||DREADNAUGHT VS HELDRAKE GAMEPLAY and CALGAR DEATH SCENE||
I just beat the game and I was untrusting of everything until the credits rolled

I got fakespoiled by Tzeentch

JUST
AS
PLANNED

[crystal forum]

a 40k video game actually having impact on lore would be a new one

[dusk patrol]

Idk about a big impact but I’m sure they’ll have Titus feature more

[spark nebula]

The ending was kinda anticlimactic tho imo

[surreal nest]

Do you guys think the Ulfar from the intro mission was the same one from rogue trader or what

[spark nebula]

Everyone was going 'good job Titus' 'way to go brother' 'additional generic Ultramarine compliment, Titus'
So I was incredibly suspicious

[crystal forum]

hopefully just a generic name

cant believe he'd die off screen

man that intro was too cool

seeing all those chapters

[surreal nest]

it makes me sad realizing that we could have just had a fucking deathwatch game

[crystal forum]

yesss

instead of ultrafuckers only

[spark nebula]

I thought Titus' fit in the intro was better than his normal one

[surreal nest]

it would actually make the multiplayer chapter customization canonical too lol

[spark nebula]

I thought he was another character that was about to be killed off

[surreal nest]

instead of just us supposed to being ultranerds

[plush mason]

i want the cape back though, and the hood

[crystal forum]

it's kinda annoying that even though you can switch your colours you're still an ultramarine

[plush mason]

yeah

[crystal forum]

i want the mark 8

armour

[surreal nest]

i like how they tied it within the story but it's a huge miss

[spark nebula]

To be fair my marine has the colors and markings of a Death Guard

[winter vessel]

maybe they'll give an update to change our persona, provided they get enough VAs to speak lines for different chapters

[surreal nest]

I mean i'm ASSUMING the new chapter dlcs MIGHT at least include something like that

Imagine we get a White Scar DLC chapter and you can't even fucking add their tribal markings

I WOULD LOSE IT

[scenic bolt]

they said it's basically the same as what we got for ultramarines just for a different chapter

[surreal nest]

Behold, lame as fuck

[scenic bolt]

cant even put markings on either pauldron like a chapter insignia on right for deathwatch

[surreal nest]

it's funny that every armor set/weapon set is basically ultramarine coded yet there's only 6 "ultramarine dlc sets" lol

they're basically all ultramarines

especially tactical fuck tactical

[scenic bolt]

ultimately those cosmetics packs are just paints and icons, couple weapon recolors, and like a helmet with different doodad stuck on the forehead

[crystal forum]

at least darktide gets continuing support ya know

makes me appreciate that it changes

[surreal nest]

Well i think the "champion pack" might be new armor or something

becausse its distinct from "cosmetic pack"

[winter vessel]

honestly, i kinda like Tactical class

[scenic bolt]

it is but its a full thing equipped as a whole set, no recolors, and cant use the constituent pieces seperately and class restricted

[winter vessel]

second most played, first is Vanguard

[surreal nest]

Lmfao

[scenic bolt]

surely thats worth $10

[surreal nest]

So much for extensive customization when we're just permentely stuck with ultramarine slop

[scenic bolt]

well problem is primaris

all the classic designs are old marines

[surreal nest]

Not surprising

Why couldn't primaris just be a freaking truescale refresh lmfao!

MONEY!

[scenic bolt]

yea

GW likes their lore purity so no beaky primaris for example

[surreal nest]

i understood all of the primaris backlash after realizing it was a canonical explanation for truescale

[scenic bolt]

GW's eternal problem of how do you sell more marines to marine players

[crystal forum]

being a blackshield must be so fun

going around killing xenos

with buddies from all sorts of chapters

nobody cares about your background

[arctic talon]

Primaris literally have beaky helmets

So

[celest dome]

What lore part would imply that Beakky wouldn't be possible for Primaris

[arctic talon]

Nothing

MK10 is interchangeable like most types of power armor after IV lol

Primaris have been depicted using MK6, 7 and 10 helmets

[dusk patrol]

All MkIII and MkII pieces

[storm jungle]

It was pretty much last minute Titus meatriding.

im glad im not the only one that felt it was a bit wonky lol

I assume they just ran out of time slightly since the budget for the final chapter must have been immense

[queen laurel]

you would think that they would be more suspicious of him after surviving more warp crap for the third time but no ]

but no

they just said, you're a good marine and decided to give him awards or something

[storm jungle]

I mean they kind of are, Gadriel has an entire character "arc" for it

even if its so hilariously done lol

"TITUS YOU ARE SUS"

"Nuh uh"

"Ok nvm sorry brother"

god what a dumb portion of the plot, seriously lol

[queen laurel]

yeah from what I'm seeing I would put space marine 2 storytelling at the same level as space marine one

not the worst but certainly not the best

[opaque coyote]

MkIII helmets genuinely look xool

Like

[storm jungle]

once again,

the customisation options for this game is abysmal lol

[opaque coyote]

Bro why is there only Primaris helmet

[celest dome]

Cause they are Primaris ?

[storm jungle]

because the game is made to advertise Primaris

GW probably didnt allow it

[queen laurel]

isn't Titus also a Primaris now

[celest dome]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

If I want Titus to look like a Thunder Warrior

I should be able to do so

[storm jungle]

Yeah you become one after the intro

[queen laurel]

Yeah they're not even hiding it they're rather quite in your face about the primaris stuff

[celest dome]

I don't think you understand how GW work

[opaque coyote]

BUY NEW MODELS

BUY PLASTIC MODELS

[opaque coyote]

More like I want to have my will forced onto GW but I'm not an Alpha Psyker

[celest dome]

Games are set in the universe, and as such are expected to have things that are cannon to the lore for the most part

[storm jungle]

I mean

primaris do wear firstborn bits

[opaque coyote]

Also because some of the helmets look cool

[storm jungle]

the issue is basically what you see on the store pages is what you will get for this game

[celest dome]

With the Ludo narrative dissonance

[storm jungle]

GW is very asinine with this stuff

[opaque coyote]

GW when the game makers dare to put more than one type of helmet in

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-walter-heisenberg-crawl-space-gif-19584363

[storm jungle]

gotta peddle out the primaris

[opaque coyote]

Do they at least have the MKX Phobos Pattern

Aka

"The MKX on a diet"

[queen laurel]

to this day i will die on the hill that GW should stop interfering too much on games that are using their IP \

i get protecting your setting but really

you would literally go out of your way to confirm that it is OK for this ork discord bot to say this stuff

it's a Discord Bot

[opaque coyote]

In the times where GW didn't care too much about managing their IPs

The games that were made

Kinda sucked

Fire Warrior

Cool idea

The worst fucking gunplay ever put into digital format

But tbf, even when they started caring, the games still sucked

Like I'm pretty sure 95% of 40k games are shovelware

[celest dome]

I would say that they should ease up yes, but they still should be actively managing the game IP.
Like many other IP have had projects that were not doing good to it (LotR )

[opaque coyote]

I think the only ones that actually got popular are

Dawn of War series (except 3)

Rogue Trader

Mechanicus

Darktide

SM1 and SM2

Maybe Battlefleet Gothic

The rest just kinda suck

Especially the mobile slop

[opaque coyote]

I feel like they should loosen the leash yeah

Again the 40k universe can have many cool ideas

Like being able to play as Eldar

[queen laurel]

Yeah I get their protectiveness of their IP but sometimes they are more strict than the imperium when they manage that stuff

like yeah they definitely need to ease up on that department

[opaque coyote]

Seriously being able to play as an Autarch would be like a boomer shooter but on crack.

Similar to Ultrakill

[opaque coyote]

Also I think that playing as a Chaos SM or something would be nice

Like not just a campaign

Like a game entirely focused on Chaos

Being the bad guy

[celest dome]

That's mainly due to Eldar already not being the most popular, and not really fitting most part as the antagonist in games
And the PoV being nearly always Human/Imperial.
You do have to keep in mind that the base concept is presented by the Devs, then GW will give limits and make the deal witht hem

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think the PoV mainly being Imperial sucks

Like yeah the Imperium is cool

But why I can't I play as a Khorne Berserker and massacre my enemies?

[queen laurel]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the only non human faction that got substantial attention for games are like orks

[celest dome]

Cause SM is the most popular faction 🤷

[opaque coyote]

WAAAGGGGHH

[queen laurel]

they even have a pack of three different steam games just for orks

[opaque coyote]

Khorne Berserker SM

Simple

[celest dome]

And the most focused on faction (Black Library)

[queen laurel]

Three plus the new the speed freeks is not a lot of games but it's still attention

[opaque coyote]

Hell you could steal a mechanic from Ultrakill and have blood heal you

[queen laurel]

i don't know a game where it's entirely focused on the Eldar

[celest dome]

Ultrakill didn't invent that sort of mechanic

[opaque coyote]

True

Still would be fun though

Also being Chaos means that you can do actively terrible shit

Well the Imperium also does actively terrible shit

But Chaos can do even more

[lunar gulch]

Nah

If it is done by the imperium

It’s never terrible, it’s for the sake of humanity

[thorn zenith]

by someone important enough, otherwise its just heresy

[raven stone]

40K games, talk of playing as xenos...

...imagine a Fire Warrior remaster.

Or, even crazier.
A cross over sequel for both Space Marine 2 and Fire Warrior, with Titus being dragged off by ||Leandros|| To fight the Tau.
And you get two campaigns, one from each perspective, about the events of a singular narrative ||probably against Chaos once again||

[crisp heath]

last time i suggested a newer tau game, i was BULLIED for how DUMB i am because TAU DONT SELL

so i will now bully you too!!!

very silly idea, and bad!

[thorn zenith]

bruh with how the current 40k community is, the only acceptable thing that tau can be would be low level antagonists

[crisp heath]

sad 😦

[thorn zenith]

they get the most bullying out of everything

[crisp heath]

did they ever release more of that tau series

i think i only watched 3 episodes

[queen laurel]

To be fair the Lore doesn't even do much with them because they don't have the numbers to really get more stuff done

[crisp heath]

and i dont have worhemmer+ so i didnt check again

[queen laurel]

they can punch above their weight but as of right now they are on the defensive

[crisp heath]

that was years ago

[queen laurel]

like the tau can be more interesting but gw is GW what can i say

[thorn zenith]

and even then the community would be slow to catch up because of how tau bullying is entrenched into a lot of groups

[queen laurel]

most of the 40K community aren't the worst but

Most of the time you can't really avoid the angry ones because they scream at the top of their lungs

[raven stone]

They are like overgrown angsty teenagers.
Not unlike the MAHREENS they worship, in all honesty.

[thorn zenith]

i mean i get, most of them are imperium fans, but it does get obnoxious after a while

[crisp heath]

female marines 😎 female custodians 😎

[queen laurel]

not even imperium fans, even other fans of the factions have bad runts within

[thorn zenith]

they go on and on about the imperium and stuff and are borderline incapable of talking about anything else

[crisp heath]

oh, here's something i've been thinking about last week

[storm jungle]

This is pretty much why im generally a fan of every faction to some capacity and choose to stay in the middle lol

[raven stone]

Even the there are Imperium fans and “Imperium fans”
The latter being “not actually in it for fictional faction loyalty and moreso for actual racism, fascism, abusive masculinity dominance worship”

[crisp heath]

which properties do you think a phenomenology of the hive mind would obtain?

[storm jungle]

Which is unfortunately a great vocal majority

[crisp heath]

like, what do you think it's like to be the hive mind?

[queen laurel]

i really wish people are more like me where yes I don't like the faction but I don't go out of my way to say that they're not for everyone and they should just not exist

[storm jungle]

Its a bit hard to tell because its an omniscient conciousness of the entire Tyranid race. It sees out of the eye of every single tyranid in existence.

[queen laurel]

i mean for fucks sake i'm literally an ork fan and all i do is talk about them but i acknowledge that that faction is not for me

[raven stone]

Apparently according to GW the Hivemind is like listening to a bickering group of sisters (Norn Queens). With apologies for the bickering sisters trope.

[crisp heath]

really canon?

[raven stone]

I think I am somewhat at this level for Tau. I would find it stretching my own imagination for them to be truly evil (unless we go the XCOM route), but I do think GW had the right mindset to try to create a faction for the Gundam/Mixed Races Trekkie fans out there.

[thorn zenith]

that actually makes sense, people take the imperium and the surface level notion of human supremacy as being dudebro chadness

[queen laurel]

One strong suit I will give GW is that they try to make a faction for everybody

[crisp heath]

of course it is, it's the problem of other minds to the max. i can't even fully imagine what it is like to be you, despite both of us having the same forms of sensual apprehension determined by the same pure reason. so it's even harder to imagine a mind that has different conditions for the possibility of understanding, such as a hive mind. that being said, i wonder how different it really is to humans. for one, i think we can ascribe intentionality to it (in the philosophical meaning of the term): it has states of mind, it perceives things, it can will things, maybe even has emotions of some sort?

[raven stone]

Ok, maybe not the bickering part. Not sure where I got the impression from. But the Norn Queens are the brain of a given Hive Fleet per se, and Hive Mind is a collection of Norn Queens. Norn Queens are also, a rarity in Tyranids, self-aware beings.

[crisp heath]

just think about a mind seemingly fully empathetic that knows exactly how you feel, and then goes "i'm gonna create the most terrifying creatures for you"

horrifying! horriying! horrifying!

[raven stone]

Well, eye of the beholder and everything.
If you were the Hive Mind/Norn Queen, you would see the Tyranid forms as…natural/beautiful.

[crisp heath]

are we sure there aren't different entities beyond norn queens that control them in turn?

or what if the norn queens supervene on smaller bioforms (i.e. termagaunts etc. collectively determine the change in norn queen minds)

[raven stone]

It won’t surprise me if lore changes in the future but AFAIK right now the biological/synapse hierarchy is Hive Mind>Norn Queens>Synapse Creatures.
The closest to the alternative you mention would be the Genestealer cults.

[crisp heath]

would i? or would they be mere tools?

[raven stone]

Natural and beautiful tools, perhaps.

[bold matrix]

This talk of tyranids reminds me of that one time a group of human just got wholly digested by a bio ship

[thorn zenith]

ZA HANDO to the will of the hivemind

[crisp heath]

i dunno, let's say i find a hive city of ants in my backyard, and then decide to devise little robots equipped with pheromones and forms and sounds etc to most effectively kill all the ants so i can plant my tree there. i dont know if i would find them necessarily beautiful

so maybe the hive mind sees the invasion fleets as some sort of ugly, but necessary tool for whatever its aims are

[raven stone]

I think what you mention is an inherent part of the “alien-ness” of the Tyranids.

Maybe it might even be irrelevant; only ingestion of biomass, and the optimal evolutionary path to obtaining said ingestion, matters.

[crisp heath]

i just hope i never get real answers, because i wanna keep pondering the abyss and come up with even more terrifying answers

[raven stone]

I like how you tick XD.
40k is good for that sort of thing.
How many more terrifying doomsday scenarios can you come up with XD.

(And then you toss in crossovers for even more apocalyptic shenanigans)

As much as I find myself moving away from Marines nowadays for whatever reason, this remaining appeal remains: no matter how over the top the situation gets, they will almost always rise to the occasion.

(…unless you are talking about beyond impossible things like time not working, concepts disappearing, or some such.)

[crisp heath]

honestly, i think knowing 40k from an early age has insulated me against some of the horrors of real life

so i´m glad i found it

who knows what´s yet to come

[raven stone]

I am not sure whether I am insulated or not, but I found it early also.
Is a pretty formative part of my identity…in the fictional sense
(Not in the “I worship Dudebro style Fascism and Masculinity” sense.)

When I first found 40k in my early teens, it was the only setting which postulates “hey, what if things only get worse in the future?”

(For context, when I found out about 40k lore, the city I grew up in knew only 3 things: Star Trek, Star Wars, and Gundam)

[crisp heath]

i think the sororitas taught me early on that femininity can be strong and powerful and noble....

[raven stone]

(All of which have a…somewhat…rosy view of what future life is like)

[crisp heath]

star wars is so incredibly lame

i guess it´s fun too but it´s just toys to me

and i really liked it before i found 40k

[raven stone]

I have said this a lot of times, and will say it again: personally, I will have no beef with anyone that runs a Marines rules list with Sororitas miniatures. (With regards the whole women Marine thing)
Though ofc nowadays the Sororitas list is pretty strong in its own right of course.

[crisp heath]

you could now canonically run an all-female custodian army without changing anything 🌞

[raven stone]

Star Wars…it kind of sort of depends how much you dig, but I personally find it weighing too heavily on the Jedi/Sith conflict…and Thrawn.

Like, even if we ignore the Disney movies, those three things were acting as Star Wars life support.

[crisp heath]

the only thing that star wars is better for is, it has a much bigger focus on civilian life

i mean, in 40k there are also planets that have never even heard of aliens and would laugh at the idea

but it isnt fleshed out at all

so i guess if you wanna be in a world where you can go to scifi bars and ride a hovercar yeah i would prefer star wars

[raven stone]

It is an unfortunate truth that BL novels do tend to be heavily biased towards Marines first, military Imperials a distant second, and Chaos in third…then Xenos in collective fourth.

[crisp heath]

the first two chapters or so of Dead Men Walking were kinda neat with the descriptions of the guy wanting to propose to his girlfriend in an eatery...

[raven stone]

I mean, even then, for a “supposedly” forgotten science setting, what tech the Imperium does remember is still very advanced by our standards.

[storm jungle]

To be fair

after watching Andor i legit wouldnt wanna be in star wars either

he literally goes to a fucking worker-deathcamp for just "looking suspicious" lol

[crisp heath]

😦

[bold rampart]

that show was amazing

[storm jungle]

"I can't swim..."

YOU FUCKING WILL BUDDY.

[bold rampart]

😭

[storm jungle]

ONE WAY OUT.

[raven stone]

Star Wars, due to the nature of its being…finds it easier to hide the grimy nature.
At least the Imperium is honest about it, weirdly.

[crisp heath]

yeah i guess i was really mostly thinking of star wars way before even the prequels

[storm jungle]

Oh lol

[crisp heath]

the one displayed in uhhh that MMORPG

i forgot that isn´t even the main setting

[storm jungle]

yeah Star Wars can be fun but like the setting is ironically very cyberpunkian in some aspects.

[queen laurel]

The imperium be torching planets anyway just for you know slight wacky behavior

[storm jungle]

also yeah before Andor most people legit had no idea how bad the Empire actually is.

"Heres the death screams of this alien that will break your mind which we'll make you listen" lol

[crisp heath]

maybe i should find more material on the time i´m thinking about. i think it was the sith wars or something in the old republic

[storm jungle]

they are more scary imo because its almost way closer to reality and what some "governments" would do to people.

[crisp heath]

what was that star wars MMORPG even called.....

[storm jungle]

oh man I know what you mean fuck

uhhhhh

[raven stone]

Old Republic?

[bold rampart]

swtor

[storm jungle]

ONE of those two

[crisp heath]

i miss my online mmorpg boyfriend 😦

[bold rampart]

star wars the old republic

[crisp heath]

yeah

that was cool 🌞

[bold rampart]

love malgus ♥️

[crisp heath]

oh wow it´s still running

[bold rampart]

ye

[storm jungle]

Yep it is

never died

[raven stone]

Truly good MMORPGs never die, they just slowly fade out…(lol)

[bold rampart]

cramming that old ass game with updates

and man the trailers look good

until you see actual gameplay

[crisp heath]

aw if only i still had access to my old account i would probably just install it for nostalgia 😦

[crisp heath]

yeaaaaaaaa...........

[raven stone]

I mean, if they have a “forgot password” button and your email remained unchanged…

[crisp heath]

yeaaaaaa..............

i changed my email like 3 times since i was 14 😦

[raven stone]

Ouch, sad that the account is probably locked out then…

[crisp heath]

maybe i´ll just install it and spend 200€ on coins and bundles and whatever

lol

[storm jungle]

LOL

dont do it!

[bold rampart]

based

[raven stone]

You might even run into your BF…

[bold rampart]

dew it

[storm jungle]

[bold rampart]

FULFIL YOUR DESTINY!

[raven stone]

(And I am saying this as a single guy lol so…yea. If you really miss him, might be worth to see if he is still around.)

[bold rampart]

i love how many options that game has

only if it wasnt so dated

[crisp heath]

i am married now, i just sometimes think of my early exchanges of true emotions and wonder where some of these people are now 🥲

[storm jungle]

man that hurts to read lmao

[bold rampart]

damn, wast expecting this lol

[storm jungle]

classic case of:

"Okay see you later man!"
Last Online 5 years ago

sigh

[queen laurel]

life is such a circus ain't it

[storm jungle]

it really is

I just moved on but i still sometimes just remember those memories

[raven stone]

Ah ok 😅
Yea, MMORPGs are places where the emotions were very real even if you never met…
Reminds me of this group I was in once, long long ago…
Granado Espada…a decade ago I was in a guild.
Then my uni years ended and my time there ended too…

[bold rampart]

never had something like that myself

[storm jungle]

I almost did before realising it and quitting.

closest i had was Minecraft lmao

which i still play sometimes

[crisp heath]

i think i left the game because i wanted to focus on school, and even though i explained it all and didn´t ghost or anything, i still kind of regret it because what was it worth in the end really. i´m getting a PhD now but after that i think i´m done with career and just want to get a decent job where i have as much time as possible to spend with my love and family and friends.

[raven stone]

I knew the group long enough just to know the guild founder died IRL after I stopped logging on (Granado Espada had…impossible…grinds).
I quitted out of necessity and I think the irony is.
Discord servers are now my closest equivalent to a MMORPG group lol.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is entirely a fair thing to do. You cant just revolve your time around a game that requires that much effort constantly, it was the same with me for my architecture courses

Like it is fun memories but you very much snap back to reality and realise that yeah it sucks but its not really a huge loss.

[crisp heath]

that´s true, i think really i regret not getting the skype name or something

and stay friends

with many others too

[storm jungle]

Yeah but life goes on.

[crisp heath]

Sad!

[storm jungle]

True friends last a lifetime

most others dont

[queen laurel]

Mmorpgs nowadays don't have the same kick

[storm jungle]

one of my best friends ive known for 9 years is someone I met on L4D2 free weekend

[queen laurel]

Very rare to find one that gets successful

[bold rampart]

yeah, thats when you realise if theyre worth it

[storm jungle]

^

It sucks in memory but sticking it with folks you know is the best medicine.

its why theres a difference between the two

[raven stone]

Too many paywalls, for sure, for one thing at least.
Even some of the proper classics demand monthly subscription.
Looking at you Final Fantasy

[bold rampart]

losing close friends sucks, but sometimes you gotta move on

[queen laurel]

Yeah and it's annoying to get into the old ones that are supposedly goated

Because you have missed so many years of updates and stuff and mechanics

[raven stone]

I do confess, every now and then I do get a temptation to reinstall Granado Espada at some point…but only to oogle at the gorgeous graphics (…single male syndrome of looking at women toons aside, the graphics are also pretty spanking even for geographical town locations.)

[raven stone]

(And the level ceiling is 140+ or something like that.)

[scenic bolt]

MMOs be pricey and low margins, it’s why they fail all the time

[queen laurel]

Yep

[celest dome]

I started on WoW then switched to GW2 quite rapidly due to subscription

[crisp heath]

never heard of it

looks like a better metin2

[scenic bolt]

Unless Asian MMO where actual pay 2 win is normalized

[raven stone]

South Koreans go as hard on graphic qualities as they do their paywalls lol.

Or yes, pay to win.

[crisp heath]

gotta keep out the jjokbari

[scenic bolt]

It’s also why Asian mmo ports into western markets fail all the time cause western audiences hate the pay 2 win aspect that makes it financially successful and stable overseas

[crisp heath]

man

did everyone forget about uhh

Eternal Crusade

?

[scenic bolt]

Never

[crisp heath]

if that´s what it was called

lol

i just remembered that

Sad!

[queen laurel]

That oh yeah that is being plan to be revived

[scenic bolt]

Still keep up with my old EC clan

[queen laurel]

A dedicated group of people is remaking the game i think

[raven stone]

I still remember.
They tried to link the lore with the payment model which…as unique as it was..probably not that popular

[bold rampart]

long time damn, my longest was like 8 years. dont talk to him much anymore tho, guess that just how life goes.

[raven stone]

(Basically: free people play Orks or humans, you have to pay to play as Marine, so Marines are as rare as they are in lore)

[scenic bolt]

Funny they fucked up EC but struck a grand slam with dead by daylight

[crisp heath]

i thought it failed mostly because it was just awful in every respect

[raven stone]

Wouldn’t surprise me if that is the case as well.

Y’know Eternal Crusade came out at around the time Sword Art Online being a thing (or at least in the same decade or so)
I had thought about writing a weird fic about a bunch of Japanese teenagers trapped in an Eternal Crusade VR game

[queen laurel]

ah here it is

[raven stone]

lol

[queen laurel]

they're planning to bring it back but i haven't heard anything from it since

[crisp heath]

horrifying! horrifying! horrifying!

[crisp heath]

gonna be hard to beat space marine 2 i figure!

[queen laurel]

The original game is dead and it's being planned to be revived by a loyal community of people i do not think it will beat space marine to anytime soon

Probably going to fall the same case as return of reckoning

[raven stone]

nowadays, even worse: trapped in Darktide VR lol

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately

[crisp heath]

getting trapped through corners by the trapper's trapping trap all day is my worst nightmare

it´s bad enough ingame

[scenic bolt]

For better or worse EC’s combat was pretty close copy to SM1 and while SM1 had a bit of a pvp scene it was never 30k concurrent big

[raven stone]

@crisp heath it fits weirdly enough: just rewrite the basic Sword Art Online premise as “the trapped players have to fight through 100 levels of a Mobian 6th occupied Hive City to quit the game”
And also, remove all the sloppy harem romance BS the original author embarked upon.

[raven stone]

Did we mention the net is electrical

[crisp heath]

put me in it

[crisp heath]

i HATE TRAPPERS! I HATE TRAPPERS! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

THE WORST PART OF THIS GAMEEEEEE

THE ONLY REALLY BAD PARTTTTTTT

[queen laurel]

yeah that is the reason why even Ogryns can't breakthrough the net

[crisp heath]

i think i´m gonna play a round now before i continue writing

[raven stone]

Last night I had a Trapper hiding behind a Mauler

And yes THE NET SHOT GOES THROUGH WITHOUT HIT BLOCKING.

[crisp heath]

if at least i could hear them or something!!!!

but half the time they shoot out of a horde!!!!

and i play chainsword zealot so i can´t hear them over all the PURGIN'

[raven stone]

I find any sort of solid projectile weapons work better for Trappers in Hordes.

Las weapons just get blocked by all the Poxwalker zombies

[wintry scarab]

SM2 Spoiler ||Imperator titan that i just noticed. So fucking cool. Too bad the fucking FOV is so low. Cant even see it all in one shot. :(||

[storm jungle]

[bold rampart]

can see something else in that shot, too bad its so dark.

[shell mason]

I mean it's fucking huge

makes sense

[near wasp]

2 and half hours ;-;

[shell mason]

w
a
t

[near wasp]

till sm2 drops for normal people

[rocky gale]

Really?

[bold rampart]

[rocky gale]

Is it not tomorrow?

[bold rampart]

its 9th

[near wasp]

no because timezones

[bold rampart]

yeh

[near wasp]

im west usa

[rocky gale]

What?

Yea

So in 2 and a half hours it will be the 8th for you

It comes out on the 9th

[near wasp]

no its the 8th now, 651am

comes out for me at 9am

[rocky gale]

I'm so confused

[bold rampart]

what?

[near wasp]

wait that was wrong article

[bold rampart]

thats early unlock

[rocky gale]

9am on the 9th

[near wasp]

yes!

[rocky gale]

Tomorrow

[near wasp]

awwww

[bold rampart]

today is not the 9th

[near wasp]

ive not had caffine today...

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-energy-monster-monster-energy-pipeline-punch-pipeline-punch-energy-drink-gif-25690816

[shell mason]

you live in LA?

[rocky gale]

Huh

No

[shell mason]

or is time just timezone

[rocky gale]

He said he was West Coast, so it's his timezone

[shell mason]

ah

too tired to read

[rocky gale]

I'm in Ireland, so it will be a 5pm release for me

[bold rampart]

this gives me flashbacks 😭

[shell mason]

never drank monster

[bold rampart]

good

[shell mason]

can't relate

only coffee and coco

[bold rampart]

i drank too much of em for no reason

[shell mason]

sound like my roomie

[bold rampart]

influence of a friend

it was bad

[rocky gale]

I just drink em every now and then because they taste good

[shell mason]

I just can't

[bold rampart]

eh, i lost the love for it

the price doesnt help either

[shell mason]

to much of being told no when younger

so good on my ma

[bold rampart]

hmm, lemme buy this overpriced can of poison

[shell mason]

I can drink like reign every now and then

that is kinda good

[rocky gale]

It's no worse than any other drink on the market if you're not an idiot about it

[shell mason]

but besides that coffee

[shell mason]

L

[bold rampart]

i was an idiot about it thats what im saying

[rocky gale]

Bro drinks coffee and thinks he can L me

[bold rampart]

lol

[rocky gale]

Truth is if you're relying on either of them to regularly give you energy or focus you're not doing great.

[near wasp]

I drink white monster

[bold rampart]

i have 1 cup of coffee in the morning thats it

[rocky gale]

I'll have like one can of pipeline punch a week because it tastes nice, that's pretty much it

[bold rampart]

thing is abusing that shit makes you even less energised. if youre just sitting down and not doing anything.

[crisp heath]

monstaaaa

how should i feel

creatures lie here

looking through the win-dow

best ES is hands down Ghost with Sour Warhead Watermeloon flavour

too bad i'm not a permanent US resident

[rocky gale]

Never even heard of that

[crisp heath]

unsurprising if you´re not from the US!

also, Bang Energy has twice the caffeine content of a german MONSTA!

they are DANGEROUS!

it´s such a shame i´m only moving to the US now, they had bang energy drink flavours like champagne or rose wine

now all we get is the basic stuff

[wintry scarab]

SM2 Spoiler! ||Btw, im like 99% sure they arnt in the game but god damn if they are this will be so cool.||

[plush mason]

||the irony of there being a dead necron tomb under an ecclisiarchial burial world is great||

[shell mason]

lmao

[dense dawn]

Hey a cup of Joe hits the spot

[crystal forum]

i drink coffee because it might help for heart disease

the amphetamines i take are what give me energy

[outer wave]

I wish caffiene wasnt so addictive

[hasty coral]

Could an experienced Darktide group lorewise kill a Custodes

[crystal forum]

no

[hasty coral]

Really?

[storm jungle]

Most greater daemons can barely kill a custodes

lol

[hasty coral]

Even with feats like fighting a beast of nurgle amongst a group of like hundreds of other combatants?

[storm jungle]

A beast of nurgle is like

a semi-elite daemon

its not much

[crystal forum]

killing space chaos marines would be a maybe thing

custodes is adding like 5 levels above that

[outer wave]

I know its 40k and it all matters on who's writing the thing, but really?

[crystal forum]

4 shmucks killing a custodes would be from a bad writer tbh

[outer wave]

Very true

[hasty coral]

Don’t they still get oneshot by a single hit from a bloodthirster?

[crystal forum]

are you sure you're not thinking of astartes?

[storm jungle]

Im talking multiple obviously whoops

[hasty coral]

What they have armor that can wistand a blow from a greater demon?

[plush mason]

tbf its not that far fetched, the emperor was able to contend with and cheat the 4 dark gods, the custodies have a direct genetic link to him so a greater daemon should be in their power level

[hasty coral]

Do they? Aren’t they the exception to that rule?

Hence why female custodes are technically possible

[plush mason]

huh?

[crystal forum]

custodes are written to be the most elite imperial units

they are straight up built different

[hasty coral]

I thought custodes were individuals specially chosen

Not the same “gene stock” stuff

[plush mason]

each one is geneticly modified from birth using the dna of the emperor himself

[hasty coral]

How in the fuck does that work

[crystal forum]

space magic

[outer wave]

Dark Age of Technology/Emperor Tech

[plush mason]

the nobles of Terra send their new borns to be chosen

[hasty coral]

Yeah bro just stick my dna in the newborn

WOW that sounds wrong

💀

[crisp heath]

i keep wondering how there can still be custodes or astartes geneseed left after 10 thousand years

[plush mason]

we know like nothing about how they are made sadly

[hasty coral]

Regardless THAT explains it then

I forgot they were part ish emperor

Like outside of that I don’t know how they would survive a strike from a greater demon of Khrone or something

[plush mason]

yeah they are basically mini primarchs

[crystal forum]

they also have the best armour of the imperium

[plush mason]

^

[hasty coral]

That makes more sense then

Yeah I wouldn’t say they beat custodes then

[plush mason]

auroium or whatever is like super adamantium iirc

[crisp heath]

also, how come the custodes and most primarchs aren't psychically adept if they are made with emperor genes

[storm jungle]

Auramite.

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

Because custodes have never stopped recruiting.

this is something their codex clears up, they arent in finite number just simply hard to make and take long

[plush mason]

dont they also have a massively high failure rate for their aspirates?

[crisp heath]

if they are made with emperor DNA and presumably no new emperor DNA can be acquired, there should be a finite number of custodes that can be created. same for astartes if geneseeds come from the primarch or are otherwise irreplaceable

[crystal forum]

im sure girlyman can give some more seed

[crisp heath]

and maybe it makes sense with the custodes, because there are few of them and they havent fought much, but how can there still be space wolf successors if leman russ can´t give more geneseed

[plush mason]

well they have the emperor's body so getting his dna is likely easy for them

[storm jungle]

They aren't made with the Emperor's DNA, they are genetically crafted to perfection through a special clad of geneticists and other kind of mega-surgeons or whatever.

its literally referred to as "gene-alchemy"

[plush mason]

and for the space marine geneseed, each space marine makes mroe of it

[storm jungle]

its so pristine it needs to be applied to them as they are literal babies

[crisp heath]

REALLY

[plush mason]

yes

they have a progenitor gland in their collarbone that makes new geneseed

[crisp heath]

so astartes reproduce asexually with some external artificial help

[plush mason]

basically

[crisp heath]

like

like amoeba

[plush mason]

the progenitor gland is what the space marine apothecaries recover with that giant drill on their arm

[outer wave]

Damn imagine they had Emperor DNA though

[plush mason]

the grey knights are rumored too

[storm jungle]

the only ones that have the Emperor's DNA is the grey knights

which as Henrietta has said super fucking dumb

and makes no sense

lol

but they are the mary sue chapter

so it adds up

[outer wave]

Why cant they just

Make a clone of the Emperor

[plush mason]

oh i thought they where my mistake

[storm jungle]

because heresy idk

[crisp heath]

i like grey knights so i approve 🌞

[outer wave]

They're dumb

I know its the Imperium

[storm jungle]

Yeah the custodians are made through genetic engineering at its peak level.

[outer wave]

But they're dumb

[storm jungle]

their creation process is also not detailed

aside from

reciever needs to be a baby

gene-alchemy

thats it

its why them havign chicks also makes sense

genetic editing got nothing to do with gender

[plush mason]

fucking imperial household and its OCD for secrets

[crisp heath]

cause obviously we wouldn´t get it cause we're not smart enough like the emperor

i do still wonder how custodes replace their number if it's been said they were all handcrafted by the EMPEROR

[plush mason]

do we even know what the people that do the gene-alchemy look like?

[crisp heath]

so who handcrafts them now?

[fallen plaza]

I dont think its ever been explained

So i guess the custodians do some of that in house

[plush mason]

i assume its similar to the artisan houses, they have gene-alchemists that do most of the work

[storm jungle]

^

[crisp heath]

custodians are cool so i accept any explanation

[storm jungle]

what Nameless said

again thats the explanation we get as i said before

Gene-alchemy

Taken as babies

Done my omega-giga-skilled-surgeons

its sci-fi nonsense

dont read too much into it

[plush mason]

"dont read too much into it" is the standard for anything involving the imperial household i have found

[storm jungle]

pretty much

Even their wargear is mantained by special clades of artisans that are only relegated to the custodes.

like its simply explained and it doesnt matter,

they are the bodyguards of the fucking emperor

they can get and do what they want

[fallen plaza]

Custodians actually activates there windows so they still remember how to make there own

[plush mason]

we don even know what the hell auramite is or how the artisans make it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just handwaved

like the books sometimes mention these passingly

but it isnt much to go off of

for example how the custodians actually paint auramite as an explanation in the rulebook of how you can color your custodians however you want, etc

and they explain the process as being painstaking and done with molecular scanners etc

[plush mason]

and now im imagining a custodian painted a symbol on their shoulder 0.00001 micron too far to the left and being ashamed of it/bullied for it by the rest of the company

[storm jungle]

Yea the codex actively says its very hard to paint auramite from its natural gold color, which is pretty funny.

[fallen plaza]

That would make them too interesting, one custodian would just be like “hey you messed up” and the other custodian would be like “ok” and fixes it

[plush mason]

sadly true

[storm jungle]

They can harbor that kind of personality.

So that isnt too far off

[plush mason]

custodians busting each other's chops like we see in SM2 is a nice idea

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do that already. It just varies since some custodians are literal brick walls while others actively make jokes/are jolly etc.

also having hobbies like doing yoga lol

[plush mason]

so they have more things in common with the space marines than just being super humans

[storm jungle]

Ehhh

i wouldnt go that far

Custodians got room to be more human, and some are like that.

[bold rampart]

that female custodian lady was cool

[storm jungle]

Marines are just meat-tanks where some think they are usually more but thats mostly not the case.

[storm jungle]

the internet having a meltdown over it was a nice bonus

[bold rampart]

yeah lol

[storm jungle]

even when i ignore it, they shove it in my face

[bold rampart]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A WOMAN DOING HERE

[storm jungle]

also saying she looks too ugly

like...

[fallen plaza]

Woman alert

[storm jungle]

shes a 9ft tall woman

[fallen plaza]

Extermination

[bold rampart]

i didnt see her face

[storm jungle]

yeet

[storm jungle]

[bold rampart]

nvm i think i did

she wasnt bad looking like, who cares

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/reari-dog-barking-koreaboomina-bblmina-gif-24010279

[plush mason]

it depends heavily on the chapter of space marine in question i guess, space wolves and blood angels being the 2 i can think of as the most "human" acting

[storm jungle]

yeah the issue is most chapters we know arent cultured lol

the Blood Angels and some others are like in the big minority

[viral halo]

Space wolves used to fuck in the ian watson days

[fallen plaza]

We dont talk about him

[plush mason]

^

[viral halo]

Did he do something bad outside of early lore writing

[fallen plaza]

But sidenote the tts podcast of that book is probably some of the best early eps in the series

[plush mason]

its my only direct exposure to Ian Watson's work, and i know i dont want any more thanks to it lol

[crystal forum]

space marines fucking is good lore

give them something to do

[plush mason]

space wolves party when not out fighting

because vikings

[bold rampart]

sm2 needs some sex scenes

spice things up

[outer wave]

Sex with the squad, sex with the Ksons

Sex with the guard

[plush mason]

speaking of, i kinda wish someone took Bricky's tweet about the sex scenes seriously, oh how funny that would have been

[outer wave]

God I wish

We need more space marines like these guys

[bold rampart]

secret sex dlc in sm2's season pass

[rose thorn]

Every space marine book is like this if you try hard enough, alternatively blood angels are just this

[outer wave]

But I want more explicit space marine sex/romance

[rose thorn]

Uh, I think that actually happens in a book but idk which one

[plush mason]

canonically artists with a tendency to obsess over their looks

[outer wave]

I wouldnt read it, I would just think its incredibly funny

[outer wave]

Deadass?

[rose thorn]

Yes

It’s like

Very minor

[bold rampart]

yeah like, were totally not into it. we just find it funny....

[outer wave]

Hahaha

[plush mason]

i mean, i just want "that" crowd to rage over it so i can laugh

[gray umbra]

Wdym this is a typical sparring session

[outer wave]

Ultramarine sparring

[rose thorn]

check Reddit
psychosis rants about gw ruining 40k with woke

Whoops

[plush mason]

imagine not sparring nude like their greek/roman inspirations, weaklings

[rose thorn]

OMFG Erebus andkharn

They literally were gay loves

That’s who I was thinking of

[bold rampart]

true, good for bonding

[outer wave]

Which sub?

[rose thorn]

Wiat nor Erebus

My bad

Fuckin

[rose thorn]

Main

[outer wave]

Oh r/Warhammer?

Oof

[plush mason]

not surprising

[rose thorn]

ARGEL TAL

ARGEL TAL AND KHARN ARE GAY LOVERS

[plush mason]

reddit subs tend to be grease traps for the internet

[rose thorn]

ITS LITERALLY CANON

That’s who I was thinking of

[outer wave]

I see I see

[plush mason]

thats why Erebus killed him to push Kharn over the edge and into Khorne worship

[rose thorn]

It’s one of the many reasons kharn is on a 24/7 murder depression spree

[rose thorn]

Yes

It’s amaizng

I need to read the first heretic again

[plush mason]

"get up"

have they ever run into each other since? Kharne and Erebus that is

[dusk patrol]

You guys talking about Reddit brain rot then going into some goofy ship of Kharn and Erebus is

Amusing

[plush mason]

nah Kharn and Argel Tal

[dusk patrol]

Either

[bold rampart]

titus and leandros

[plush mason]

i want that ship to happen just for the salt farming potential

[outer wave]

How would that work though

One of them is a raging lunatic for the most part

[rose thorn]

uh, Argel Tal is dead dead

Oh erebus

my bad

i think word bearers and WE are on a KOS basis

[plush mason]

like, does Kharn even remember Erebus or Tal for that matter?

well i guess he would when the nails arent biting him

[rose thorn]

yea lmao

[hasty coral]

Psychic powers are connected to the soul

[storm jungle]

Watts was basically a weird esoteric fetish writer, some people find the stuff in his books "gross" but its like pretty childish for the most part minus actually gross stuff like the imperial fists scat rituals.

[hasty coral]

Genes alone don’t necessarily mean anything particularly war winning will come out of it

Nor that it will even function

[storm jungle]

Ah see

your first mistake is thinking any logic applies to these concepts

[plush mason]

the um, detailed sex scene in Draco was the bit that broke me

[storm jungle]

a lot more goofy shit has been done with cloning/souls in particular

[storm jungle]

KEK

[hasty coral]

I keep hearing about this

HOW detailed?

As sfw as you can describe

[plush mason]

the assassin had a spider tattoo on her groin

thats about as detailed as i can get while staying SFW

[crystal forum]

lame

[twilit musk]

im with gay Jay on this one

[bold rampart]

of course you are

[outer wave]

Damn go all in

Give us the tea

[hasty coral]

What did Gay Jay do 😭

[storm jungle]

Honestly theres nothing to keep sfw

its literally just fetishistic

[dusk patrol]

Spidussy

[storm jungle]

the imperial fists scat ritual is a lot worse

and it doesnt help

[hasty coral]

The WHAT

[storm jungle]

that the I.F rituals

[plush mason]

agreed

[storm jungle]

have not been expanded

[hasty coral]

Ok no you are trolling

[storm jungle]

since Watson

[storm jungle]

Why the fuck would i be trolling

google it

[dusk patrol]

It’s just poop stuff cause Watson is a child

[hasty coral]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I GOOGLE SCAT RITUAL

[storm jungle]

He was mostly taking example from actual weird medieval monk rituals lol

again people just dont read

also its either this or the Fists branding each other on the ass

[dusk patrol]

I’ve read it, it’s just weird fetish stuff

[hasty coral]

My sci fi gigachad space warriors are eating shit

I don’t want to read

[storm jungle]

damn, you mean to tell me a fetish writer put fetish material in his book?

[plush mason]

she isnt, Watson also said the fist have tramp stamps on their asses that serve as genetic markers for the individual space marine

[outer wave]

Wait this is a first for me too

[hasty coral]

Is he fired?

He has to be right

[storm jungle]

Again google it, its pretty out there

[storm jungle]

He wasnt fired

[outer wave]

What the fuck, why the IF shittin'

[storm jungle]

he just wrote the books and left

[dusk patrol]

If the poop eater eats poop I’m still gonna make fun of him for eating poop

[storm jungle]

warhammer wasnt exactly his main job

[dusk patrol]

Idc if it’s his style

[storm jungle]

i mean its the Imperial Fists, its on brand

[plush mason]

GW's autors are contracted afaik, so they just come and go

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

and this yeah