#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
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Asylum literally has you kill thugs half the time

fallen plaza
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Normally

queen laurel
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Don't you just love robbing a store thinking of a little bit of cash only to get electrocuted with punching gloves strong enough to jump start someone's heart

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I swear these are supposedly non-lethal

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But they would kill someone 20 times over in real life

spring cairn
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me running over several people with my batmobile

storm jungle
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no no you arent running them over

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your car shocks them

spring cairn
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non lethal take down

storm jungle
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so they arent dead

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🤓

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lol

spring cairn
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guy flew 30 meters up in the air

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at least he got electrocuted

queen laurel
storm jungle
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UNCONCIOUS

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meanwhile IRL most people die from the shock of like 2 broken limbs

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rip

fallen plaza
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I am not a fan of techo looking cyberpunk shit usually

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But the red hood batman lookin costume in arkham knight was peak

storm jungle
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Arkham knight's design overall is peak

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love the holographic mask and shit

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its great

spring cairn
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gotham's hospital are overcrowded because every bed is taken by a goon in a permanent vegetative state

storm jungle
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I mean

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not wrong

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but its ok Wayne Foundation will pay for their recovery

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aka never

queen laurel
# storm jungle UNCONCIOUS

I love that in arkham knight, he built literal anti tank weaponry into his vehicle but just for safety apparently he added a bean bag launcher for neutralization as if it isn't already loaded with enough weaponry to blow up a small town

storm jungle
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also dont forget

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EVERY TANK

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BEING UNMANNED

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THANKS JASON

queen laurel
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Lmao

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Oh yeah

spring cairn
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They should start making servitors out of all these veggies

queen laurel
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That

storm jungle
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UNMANNED DRONES

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THAT'LL SHOW BATMAN!

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god fuck off with this nonsense lol

queen laurel
storm jungle
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i love how further into the game the milita consider using fucking suicide vests that blow up if the user is incapacitated

spring cairn
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that's a p good idea to kill batman tbh

queen laurel
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Right

storm jungle
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no no not even to kill him

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to quote the guy that is presenting it uh

fallen plaza
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Thats… pretty funny….

storm jungle
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That pacifist crybaby couldnt live with the guilt if this vest killed me

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which like yeah not wrong lmao

queen laurel
storm jungle
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💀

queen laurel
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A bit questionable of a way of thinking i think

storm jungle
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to be fair batman's no kill rule is braindead in general

fallen plaza
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Why cant we have a batman story where he just has an arch where he eventually has to accept that he has to kill people

storm jungle
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This is why red hood and Punisher are superior

spring cairn
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already happened probably

storm jungle
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^

queen laurel
storm jungle
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the same old shit happens

queen laurel
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Joker

storm jungle
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OH NO

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IM GOING CRAZY

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I KILLED SOMEONE

queen laurel
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How the hell did you

storm jungle
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NOW IM LIKE THE JOKER

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wah wah wah

spring cairn
queen laurel
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Escape arkham for the 50th time

storm jungle
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they bring this up in the redhood movie

queen laurel
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I'm surprised they haven't executed him immediately like just shoot him in the head when he entered the compound

storm jungle
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and batman still has no defense against it

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aside from if i kill him ill be just like him

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fucking moron

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lol

fallen plaza
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i got a lopunny batman

spring cairn
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arkham is like a slice of swiss cheese

storm jungle
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so many holes

queen laurel
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Poor guy has to go through every type of tragedy because he is spider-man

fallen plaza
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I read the Japanese version of spiderman

spring cairn
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at some point just put every inmates in an artificial coma chained to their beds like bro

fallen plaza
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It’s genuinely really fucking insane

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I love it

storm jungle
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Japanese spiderman literally just shoots people with an MP40

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I got nothing but respect for that

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also refers to himself as uh

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EMISSARY FROM HELL

fallen plaza
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Genuinely the coolest redition of spiderman

spring cairn
queen laurel
storm jungle
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awful

queen laurel
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That's it that is literally it

storm jungle
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me rolling up on the green goblin with an smg

fallen plaza
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Death

spring cairn
queen laurel
# fallen plaza MHA

Considering how bat s*** insane the fandom is at least that is somehow similar to warhammer so there's that

spring cairn
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nah

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warhammer fandom isn't lusting for minors this much

fallen plaza
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No one dresses up as fulgrim and does tiktok dances

queen laurel
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Somewhere out there someone might be planning to do that

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Just is the way of warhammer fans

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You never really know how they will work

fallen plaza
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But that isnt the majority

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Unlike MHA

queen laurel
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I don't care about majority minority or that stuff they're both bad i'm going to move on

fallen plaza
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There bad yes, but not comparable

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Different poison

queen laurel
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Like i wouldn't enjoy warhammer if i'm one of those people that gives a crap about the fans opinions

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I just ignore them and watch it anyway

fallen plaza
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Here it is again

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Beautiful

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Cant stop watching it

storm jungle
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my homeboy Peter cant catch a break

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or brick i guess

fallen plaza
queen laurel
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Only for his lover to be mad at him for apparently abandoning her

storm jungle
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40k writers trying to be grimdark when peter parker's entire life exists

queen laurel
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Bro if the creator of the universe comes down to me and says that yeah your life sucks but you know you're helping people so that's suffering is worth it

storm jungle
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I love comics ❤️

queen laurel
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I will f****** deck him in the face

storm jungle
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no i dont

fallen plaza
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Slopverse

storm jungle
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Im glad we got non slop material with warhammer

fallen plaza
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True

storm jungle
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anyway who wants to read about a book about a mcguffin where it gets destroyed in the end for the 2049405th time and everyone dies

fallen plaza
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If its good enough for you to read the entire HH series then how bad can it be?

storm jungle
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also bold of you to assume i read most of that trash

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💀

fallen plaza
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Slobbering

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Caulk

queen laurel
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I swear to god man give the motherfucker a break

fallen plaza
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Speaking of bad comic relationships

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Barbara Gordon

storm jungle
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LOL

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Yeah imma pass on that chief

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i saw enough spine related revolver injuries to last a lifetime

queen laurel
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My guy literally made himself a living paradox so that he wouldn't get erased

storm jungle
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ah yes

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a guy so petty he literally removed a girl from existence and the timestream for rejecting him

shadow plover
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Only good thing to come out of yellow flash is the "IT WAS ME BARRY" meme

storm jungle
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Fuck you

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hes cool

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Eobard remove this guy from existence

shadow plover
storm jungle
shadow plover
storm jungle
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god

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i hate it

queen laurel
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Said the reverse flash

storm jungle
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a true sigma male

spring cairn
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a what male

storm jungle
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you heard me sigma-rite

queen laurel
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Let's be honest

storm jungle
spring cairn
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of course he would, can't let ppl use his trademark like that for free

paper haven
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They gotta pay royalties first

vapid stone
storm jungle
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no

viral halo
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used all my luck

rose thorn
crisp heath
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So I’ve heard a lot about how ultramar could secede from the imperium and still be fully functional but is that true? They’d likely lose out on any mechanicus specialists and their industry would begin to falter wouldn’t it?

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The whole ultramar mini empire

fallen plaza
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They have there own allied forge world along with allied Titan legions

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So it's not unreasonable to say they can't hold there own

winter vessel
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For a time

fallen plaza
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The badab sector held on its own for a long time, and they didn't have 1st founding resources

raven stone
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Most Ultramar worlds are also likely to be "balanced" civilised worlds as well

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Not necessarily hyper specialised to rely on trading with wider Imperium

rocky gale
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Most Secessionists given enough time would be able to sort of their economy and supply issues, the issue comes from the Imperium not giving them that time. So you're dealing with holding off the Imperium while also trying to establish new systems and support networks.

Ultramar is already pretty self contained and organised with those supply and support system already in place, so it would be less of an issue.

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But Holding off the Imperium would still be an issue

raven stone
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With Ultramar, it becomes less a logistical issue and more an intrigue issue

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Since unlike a single planet (looking at you Krieg...), or Badab (which is likely smaller in scale), any attempt to organize will run big risks of discovery.

fallen plaza
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Badab had time on its side if I recall

rocky gale
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Yea Badab was a long affair

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They were setting things up for a long time in advance

raven stone
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Yep, mostly because the Astral Claws were playing chill ball until it turned into a hot war

fallen plaza
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I just love how the books just set up the slow built up of hurons bitterness to the imperium

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It just feels so mwah, perfect

raven stone
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IIRC Badab was also unique in that other nearby Imperial Governors also indirectly screwed Huron over

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And they were actually punished for it

storm jungle
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kudos to a real good writer 🥃

winter vessel
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I forgot the name of the chapter that kinda owed a debt to the Astral Claws since the latter got the former out of a pickle

storm jungle
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Executioners?

fallen plaza
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Forge world lore was peak

arctic talon
dusk patrol
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Lamenters/Mantis Warriors/Executioners

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One of those

storm jungle
fallen plaza
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Did y'all know forge world has its own YouTube channel?

storm jungle
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the moment he died they pretty much gave up

arctic talon
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Bligh honestly was like

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a wrangler

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imo

storm jungle
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100%

fallen plaza
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And it has interviews with bligh

arctic talon
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he kept the FW team like focused on what they were doing

storm jungle
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Yeah i watched em

arctic talon
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some of the new FW books jump around a bit

storm jungle
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legit makes me feel like shit seeing him there lol

arctic talon
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more then normal

storm jungle
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hes like the epitome of a nerd, the good kind

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now forgeworld is like... well lol

fallen plaza
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It's just sad

dusk patrol
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They do good stuff still, just not as consistent

raven stone
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GW got jealous of their own spinoff golden goose, and killed it

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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FW was always gonna merge eventually

storm jungle
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almost every recent HH lore stuff is just trash

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it has no character

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and zero depth

winter vessel
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Was Bligh good in regards to like “power scaling” a certain character or faction

storm jungle
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More or less tbh

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what made Imperial Armor books good is they were super grounded

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the Imperium cannot roll over a single planet just from bureucracy and internal fighting lol

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or loses Taros because they literally cannot feed the invading ground forces due to Tau sabotage/counter attacks

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etc etc

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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theres so much thought put into them, its amazing

storm jungle
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as a person that grew up with FW and the HH black books its not even close

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again they lack character

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i want more than just "Marine goes to fight Evil Marine"

fallen plaza
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I don't miss the typos in those books though

storm jungle
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oh man those

outer wave
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When will we get novels of a romance between a marine and an evil marine though?

storm jungle
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Uhhh

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prob with SM2

outer wave
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LETS GOOOO

storm jungle
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judging from the dialogue

paper haven
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How about "Marine goes to fight evil marine but feels bad about it"?

storm jungle
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perfect for romance

outer wave
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Genuinely a bond thats been almost fractured due to the Heresy would be cool

arctic talon
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does someone have the Forgeworld diorama

fallen plaza
arctic talon
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with the tourists

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LOL

fallen plaza
arctic talon
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I love the tourist at the burning of prospero

storm jungle
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those background people are hard to see, you gotta focus

paper haven
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Is it because of all the fire?

storm jungle
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Mostly, and the debris

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if someone can post it you'd see what zimmer means

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since most FW books used miniature pics with extreme photoshop editing

raven stone
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Wait tourists!?

fallen plaza
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Look next to the center pillar to the right

celest dome
raven stone
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Ah 🤣

storm jungle
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Yeah there they are LOL

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war crime targets

rocky gale
raven stone
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I mean, as funny as a fail photoshop this is

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Imagine being an actual tourist on Prospero on that fateful day...

fallen plaza
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I always thought the photo shop dioramas were cute

outer wave
fallen plaza
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I dunno why they decided to format them to be almost invisible

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But still, cute.

raven stone
celest dome
storm jungle
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with waiters that can read your mind to get your order

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😭

outer wave
rocky gale
winter vessel
fallen plaza
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This is rad as fuck

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They never do it as cool as this anymore

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I have one of these as my desktop wallpaper too

rocky gale
raven stone
outer wave
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Who the hell are they

fallen plaza
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Bob alert

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Pledge your alliance to him

outer wave
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Instantly, I would

raven stone
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But is Bob The Emperor 🤣 ?

fallen plaza
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No

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He is god

winter vessel
rocky gale
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The Modern day Romeo and Juliet

winter vessel
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Julio

outer wave
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Juulio and Romeo

winter vessel
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I remember THIS

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fallen plaza
outer wave
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Mewing Cat

fallen plaza
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This cat loves freaking minors?!??!??!?

rocky gale
raven stone
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But all cats love Rei

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So that's pretty par the course

outer wave
raven stone
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See, cats are even willing to help her jumpscare people XD

rocky gale
outer wave
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She saw a cat and fell over

raven stone
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And just like that all the Eva fans come out of the woodwork XD

fallen plaza
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Ew

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What have I done

rocky gale
fallen plaza
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Speaking of eva

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I was a big fan of the girlfriend of steel novels when I was a kid

outer wave
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Oh the spinoff stuff

rocky gale
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There's a spinoff?

outer wave
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Never got into it, just was focused on the main stuff like the original show, EoE, and such

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Yeah there's a few spinoffs in manga and video game form

fallen plaza
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You should though

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They are insane

outer wave
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There's the Raising Projects IIRC, Girlfriend of Steel

fallen plaza
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I forgot the manga spin off

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The only thing I remember about it was that one time Asuka called Shinji a f@ggot

outer wave
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Oof

fallen plaza
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Pretty based though ngl

rocky gale
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Wait so Girlfriend of Steel is literally just a spinoff AU where Shinji gets a girlfriend

fallen plaza
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Girlfriend of steel two is different

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It's where it actually gets insane

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Gfs 1 was still weird though

outer wave
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God the ending to Rebuild does a pretty good conclusion to Gendo's relationship with Shinji

fallen plaza
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Didn't watch it

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But I assume this one is superior to the movie one

outer wave
viral halo
winter vessel
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I remember someone made a comparison of being in a relationship regarding Rei, Asuka, and Mari

fallen plaza
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Because after reading the gfs series I never touched eva again

outer wave
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Hence I stick with the main stuff

rocky gale
outer wave
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I do find it a lil hypocritical that he had that whole message of anti-escapism and anti-otakuism when theres spinoffs liek this

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But I appreciate his attempt regardless

fallen plaza
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Sort of related but I think people who deconstruct his message are a bunch of stuck up morons who have never experienced deep and thoughtful media beyond eva

outer wave
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Deconstruct it how so?

fallen plaza
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As in hack video essayist

outer wave
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Because I remember finding it fun looking through forums and wikis about the symbology of the series, even if ultimately most if not all of it was meaningless

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Ahh

fallen plaza
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Especially all those novel writers in the Reddit forums

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I remember being shocked that asukas mother was alive the entire time until the impact

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Apparently she was just in a coma

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😐

outer wave
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The entire time til second impact?

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She survived Second Impact IIRC but she took her own life after a failed experiment with EVA-02

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I dont recall the exact timeline of when they were doing those experiments though and when the Antarctic expedition happened

fallen plaza
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Nerd shit I don't wanna be reminded of

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Anyways

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I was planning on finally watching a mecha anime

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Which I haven't watched since big o

outer wave
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Dont look into Asuka's backstory in the Rebuilds, its weirder

fallen plaza
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Don't wanna

outer wave
fallen plaza
outer wave
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You watched Escaflowne?

fallen plaza
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Nope

outer wave
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Its unique as its got steampunk/medieval mechs

fallen plaza
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I was hoping to watch dougram

outer wave
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Oh that one from the 80s right?

fallen plaza
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Yeah

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I wanted to watch it but I had one problem

outer wave
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The one that inspired/had designs go into Battletech designs

fallen plaza
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I already want models of them

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But they are expensive

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So if I watch it I'll be more mad I can't get em

outer wave
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Ooof

fallen plaza
outer wave
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Yeah Macross was a bigger influence I think?

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Or not influence but bigger contributer

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But yeah I know of a couple goofier mecha shows like Mobile Fighter G Gundam

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I highly recommend that one

fallen plaza
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I've seen some of there designs

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Was the devil Gundam in that show?

outer wave
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Yes

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The one thats basically Gundam body horror

fallen plaza
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Why isn't that goddamn thing a kit yet

outer wave
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I think Ive seen some custom models for it

fallen plaza
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Normally I'm not an RX guy

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As I think panel lines are for the weak

outer wave
fallen plaza
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But I think this one is really funny

outer wave
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Theres this one of the Colony form

fallen plaza
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Guh

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But yeah ever since I've gotten my guntank I've wanted more kits

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At the moment I'll just collect a few one year war kits and some msv stuff

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My holy grails are the full armor and heavy armor Gundam and the psycommu zakus

outer wave
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It would be fun to get into gunpla but my collection hobbies are already kinda expensive (vinyls and anime DVDs)

fallen plaza
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I see your a proper nerd

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You a Kenny Lauderdale fan?

outer wave
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Not sure who that is so likely no

fallen plaza
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Bummer

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You should watch his stuff

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It might be right up your alley

outer wave
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What does he do?

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Oh discusses lost media

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I love people that are able to archive things like old games and anime

fallen plaza
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Not just lost media

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Obscure anime

outer wave
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I think his video titles are a bit click baity though

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Did he do a video on Ghost Stories by chance?

opaque coyote
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...

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The English dub is better

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The original anime makes me wanna fucking sleep

outer wave
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It is better but I heard that the story behind it is typically false?

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Like the dubbing director of it would typically pull stunts like that with other shows

opaque coyote
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I think the story generally is

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The publishers didn't give a fuck because it didn't sell

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So when it was given to the dub team they were basically told

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"Do whatever you want"

outer wave
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Yeah I heard that story too

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But I think elements of it arent actually right? Allegedly anyway

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Its been a while since Ive seen that particular video that debunked it

opaque coyote
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Either way

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God damn is the dub beautiful

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Tbh the only other two dubs that I think are better than the original is

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Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood

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And

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Panty and Stocking

outer wave
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There's alot of very good dubs out there

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Like BACCANO and G Gundam dubs are both very good, even if the latter comes from how stilted it is at times

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Space Captain Tylor is also incredible dubbed

opaque coyote
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Gotta watch those I ain't a huge anime watcher

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Like I haven't watched Frieren yet

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Despite really needing to

outer wave
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I watched a good chunk of Frieren before stopping at some point

paper haven
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Panty and stocking has some of the most out of pocket comments I have ever seen

outer wave
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It's very much of its time

opaque coyote
wintry scarab
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Btw, whats the difference between these two?

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opaque coyote
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Also Azumanga Daioh has a pretty good English dub

rocky gale
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Probably cosmetics

paper haven
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Only thing I know about Frieren is that the green haired girl lit the internet on fire

outer wave
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Yeah armpit did that to a bunch of folks

rocky gale
paper haven
outer wave
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I'm wanting to get through Planetes

wintry scarab
# rocky gale

Knowing how much of a loser i am, as soon as i hear that the games good from one person on the 5th ill end up dumping ÂŁ90 on this game.

opaque coyote
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wtf does the season pass do

wintry scarab
fallen plaza
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God I love this thing

dusk patrol
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https://youtu.be/8tYBiihL3UM?si=H_oZdnJZrWaklch_

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I’m gonna make a video called “The tragedy of Majorkills parents and birth control - They choose the wrong path”

rocky gale
# opaque coyote genuine question

It usually includes all the DLC or atleast all the DLC for a limited period, but in this case it's probably going to be for cosmetics

fallen plaza
opaque coyote
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MajorMisinformation

median star
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So assume its some sort of defcon type system but i heard brahms saying that the ship was on "alert level gamma 4" if it is a defcon type system where does the rank of this type of situation scale as if its even a system of that variety or do we know anything about any sort of alert lvls

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Or is it just random nonsense

paper haven
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I hope SM2 will have many mods

arctic talon
arctic talon
paper haven
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Oh. Gross.

raven stone
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Another game falls to the always online curse…

rose thorn
rocky gale
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ÂŁ230 for the collectors edition is nuts

outer wave
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How do people justify paying for that much

rocky gale
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I remember growing up my elder brother worked a couple hours a week at part time job and was able to get the collectors edition for everything

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Nowdays you'd struggle to justify this cost with a fulltime job jesus

outer wave
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I have alot of savings and I wouldnt buy this

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What would I do with a Titus statue? Least with the Persona 5 special edition I got a bag out of it

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Plus it was nowhere near the price of this

rocky gale
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Wait a second

crystal forum
rocky gale
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Why does the standard version cost more in the UK

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Hey

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So the standard version is ÂŁ64.99, which translates to $85.44

crystal forum
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prices will continue to increase until the economy crashes because nobody can buy anything

rocky gale
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It only costs yous ÂŁ45.63

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We're getting upcharged by almost ÂŁ20 for the same thing

leaden pilot
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In Poland it's something like 54,50 usd
Which is surprising considering that game prices here sometimes tend to be higher than in the US

rocky gale
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I just checked on Steam, that chart must be wrong

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We're actually charged ÂŁ54.99

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Which is still a ÂŁ10 markup but sure

crystal forum
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literally everything i buy from GW is upcharged

rocky gale
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Good

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It's also mad that like I could drive an hour down the road and my GW products would suddenly have like a 15% markup

leaden pilot
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Yeah it's wild how much you can save when going to a 3rd party store rather than to GW

rocky gale
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I don't even mean that, I'm in Northern Ireland which means stores get the UK rate, but if I drive across the border into the Republic it gets the EU rate which has a markup on price

leaden pilot
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That's even more crazy

paper haven
paper haven
rocky gale
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As long as I've known

arctic talon
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It’s to get you to buy from LGS’s over them

arctic talon
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The worst one is Australia’s

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Where it’s better to get a someone from somewhere else to buy it for you

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And then ship it over

rocky gale
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Like it's cheaper for me to order from a 3rd party store in England and get them to ship it to me than it is to order one from one in Ireland that's closer

paper haven
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The game was rigged from the start

rose thorn
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UHGG I LOVE GULLIMAN SO MUCH HE IS SO COOL AND AN ACTUAL PERSON

dusk patrol
rocky gale
arctic talon
opaque coyote
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only one incident away from shoving a bolter in his mouth and pulling the trigger

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But at the same time

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He definitely won't do that over one

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or many incidents

storm jungle
rose thorn
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I love him, he lets people disagree, he is a Demi god but he knows he can’t always be right and there will always be factors he can’t control and and and

paper haven
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I used to hate guilliman, but now I kinda like him

rose thorn
#

He thinks like a human being

rocky gale
#

You think Guilliman ever Sister Sages himself to relax?

rose thorn
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Idk, I know gulliman is canonically a gamer though

rocky gale
paper haven
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Plus he loves his mom

opaque coyote
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It's actually a pretty good one

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It is a one shot that's a single chapter long so

rose thorn
paper haven
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Angron does that

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Except it does the opposite of help him relax

opaque coyote
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Guilliman is a rare breed among his brothers

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He actually had a decent upbringing

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His Adoptive Mother and Father actually tried to raise him they could.

paper haven
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As far as most human primarchs. I'd say it's Guilliman, the Khan and pre-heresy Lorgar

opaque coyote
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Instead of abusing him, enslaving him, etc.

opaque coyote
paper haven
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Oh and Vulkan

opaque coyote
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The Salamanders are easily the most "human" SM chapter

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They're still not good people because

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They're SMs

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and they wield flamethrowers

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That should give you a clue on what they do to rowdy citizens

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Still though, a Salamander would actually try to evacuate citizens

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Or if it was like a generic terrorist situation where there are hostages

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Try to negotiate first

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Actually if I had to give a comparison...

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If a Salamander encountered a situation where someone held somebody hostage.

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They would try to negotiate.

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If that fails, then they would try to kill the terrorist with as low casualities as possible. And most likely succeed because they're an SM

rose thorn
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Tbh I despise salamanders but that’s a me thing

opaque coyote
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If an Iron Hands was in the same situation. They would just shoot the Terrorist because they're confident in their skills and tech

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With the bullet ricocheting to hit the head of the terrorist and avoiding the civilian

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If a Marine's Malevolent SM was in the situation. They would just

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kill both

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An Ultramarine would skip the negotiating part and try to kill the terrorist as carefully as possible

opaque coyote
#

or is it because of the fanbase

rose thorn
#

and they are unbareable to read

dusk patrol
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Lots of Tau, Sallie, Lamenter players are like this

rose thorn
#

at least lamenters is a meme

leaden pilot
dusk patrol
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It goes for others too, people twist themselves into pretzels to miss the point of the setting

rose thorn
#

THEY ARE TERRIBLE

dusk patrol
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They have some fun stuff

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Like Salamanders being super racist

rose thorn
#

one of the worst hh books

dusk patrol
rose thorn
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better then dark angels

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WHY ARE THEY RACIST AT THE SAME TIME AS BEING LIEK THE MOST MORAL FACTION

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GAH

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im gonan kill the HH writers

storm jungle
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because their idea is stupid

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"We hate tyrants"

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Actively serves tyrants

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they try to explain it but it doesnt work

rose thorn
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ultra marines being the moral faction is fucking fine, it makes sense

dusk patrol
rose thorn
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'whats the point of doing these operations if we dont try to save poeple'

dusk patrol
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Without actually really believing it

storm jungle
#

Basically bad writing, the usual answer

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lol

rose thorn
dusk patrol
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No

rose thorn
#

its so anrgy

storm jungle
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Yes

rose thorn
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im so angry

outer wave
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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No, its dogma

rose thorn
#

Raven guard bieng the 'moral chapter' makes the most sense

storm jungle
#

I READ DARK ANGELS AS RAVEN GUARD

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oh my god the brainrot consumes

rose thorn
#

how did you read raven guard as dark angels??

storm jungle
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i think

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angels = wings

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also my brain is fried from work

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LOL

rose thorn
#

oh

dusk patrol
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Kyme has good ideas in his books he just fucks then up cause he can’t write dialogue or characters for shit

rose thorn
#

raven wing

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I HATE DARK ANGELS AAAAAAAAAA

storm jungle
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yeah that might have been it lmfao

storm jungle
rose thorn
storm jungle
#

very daring Gav thank you

rose thorn
#

i will say

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the book uh

dusk patrol
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I’ve literally never seen a Dark Angel fan enjoy the endless fallen material

rose thorn
#

Luther is one of my favorite warhammer 40k books

leaden pilot
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I like Dark Angels design, but not really the lore
Especially the Deathwing is cool

dusk patrol
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It’s the biggest sticking point in their fanbase is how annoying it is

rose thorn
#

its a wonderful wondeful book

dusk patrol
#

At least now they’re doing something with it

rose thorn
#

and the description of their home planet makes me very very nostalgic for Idaho

dusk patrol
#

But before it was literally every book was “Oh man we’re purging Orks an-ITS THE FALLEN WHAT A SHOCK”

rose thorn
#

dear dear dark angel writers

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if you wanna make about genertional trauma

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please please please, dont make teg generational trauma just about killing some guy

paper haven
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I once read a short story about a guardsman that was a hero like 50 years prior and a Dark Angel showed up to interrogate him about Cypher.

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And then he shot him

storm jungle
opaque coyote
#

Not completely terrible

#

Despite suffering some of the worst luck possible

rose thorn
#

Yeha I don’t disagree

opaque coyote
#

Although the Badab War... yeah that wasn't bad luck

rose thorn
#

I think lamenters is the best way to do that

opaque coyote
#

That's just them being stupid

rose thorn
#

Besides ultra marines

opaque coyote
#

They didn't deserve the 100 year pentient crusade but they deserved some kind of punishment for not realizing it

rose thorn
#

And Raven guard

opaque coyote
#

Like bro the allies around you were growing spikes

opaque coyote
#

Specifically how hard it is to paint

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Why the fuck do they have a Checkerboard

rose thorn
opaque coyote
#

what the fuck

rose thorn
opaque coyote
#

"Yeah my friends are nice! They beat me sometimes but they don't ever kill me!"

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Like that type of shit

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Like they're so used to abuse that they think that it's just ordinary

#

Which is... even sadder if you think about it

rose thorn
#

Also, thinking about it if you are suspicious your Allies are being weird

#

You are in the middle of a war

opaque coyote
rose thorn
#

You can’t really in the position in to fight both sides of the war

rose thorn
rose thorn
rose thorn
opaque coyote
#

only for a Dark Angel to hunt him down and find him

leaden pilot
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I remember some comic with that premise

rose thorn
opaque coyote
#

He actually decides to spare him, and the Fallen rejoins the Dark Angels

opaque coyote
#

but the Dark Angel's efforts to cover it up just makes it worse

rose thorn
storm jungle
rose thorn
#

If you had a gun to your head and told to make 2k points of one

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What would it be

leaden pilot
#

It was just a picture, not a comic

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opaque coyote
#

many people commented their own stories for it

storm jungle
opaque coyote
#

it was awesome

rose thorn
#

Fair

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Wait, white scars are a better ‘moral chapter’ then salamanders

#

GAH I hate salamanders

opaque coyote
#

Or Salamanders but

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fire

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fire

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more fire

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what's that?

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Fire

dusk patrol
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There’s a short story of a Ultramarine terminator who crash landed on a primitive world and had amnesia, and he just farms for a while with a village before a Carnifex shows up and he remembers some things, puts his armor back on and dies killing it.

opaque coyote
#

Maybe Black Templars because ||I'm racist||

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Seriously tho the Black Templars are just fucking insane

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Like SM's are not stable

#

but Black Templars make most SM chapters look like Superman I swear

dusk patrol
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Tbh largely they’re shown mixed

rose thorn
#

libators are my favorite

dusk patrol
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Of all chapters they probably very the most

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Because each crusade can be so drastically different

rocky gale
#

Oh Mag I don't know if I'd said but Libators are one of the customisation options in Space Marine 2

dusk patrol
#

It’s basically separate chapters under one banner

opaque coyote
#

While others are just

rose thorn
#

REALLY

opaque coyote
#

"THIS GUY HAS A DIFFERENT EYE COLOR"

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"KILL THEM!"

#

BLAM

rose thorn
#

wOoOoo

#

I’m in love with my custom chapter but I’m really happy to see that

rocky gale
#

Hmmmm

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Oh they're in the Ultramarine DLC

rose thorn
#

In one?

#

Yeha I think so

dusk patrol
#

Yeah they got a bunch of the more famous UM successors

rocky gale
#

No in the new one

rose thorn
#

Uhh

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Ohh*

dusk patrol
#

Mortifactor Reiver would be fun

rocky gale
opaque coyote
#

Since the UM used to be the most

#

violent chapter

rose thorn
#

Love those bastards

opaque coyote
#

before Guilliman took over and made them

#

not murdery

dusk patrol
rose thorn
#

“NOTICE ME GOD”
bleeds people out on an instruction manual

rocky gale
#

Also Scythes of the Emperor

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Such a cool colour scheme

dusk patrol
#

But also

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Successors don’t need to have much connection to their progenitor

#

Especially those with “normal” geneseed

opaque coyote
dusk patrol
#

All primarchs did

paper haven
dusk patrol
#

The point is more successors culture matters more

#

Than their geneseed

#

Mostly at least

#

Some geneseeds definitely have more of an effect obviously

#

But even within that there’s a lot of variance

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Mortifactors being Ultramarines who aren’t even that far from Ultramar is always the best example of this

rocky gale
#

Damn Iron Snakes are Ultramarines

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I dunno what geneseed I thought they were

dusk patrol
#

So are Spears of the Emperor

rocky gale
#

Goes hard

Iron_Snakes_Clint_Langley.webp
dusk patrol
rocky gale
#

Brothers of the Snake was my first 40k novel

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Back in 2007...

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Nobody say "That's the year I was born" or I'm hurling myself out a window

rose thorn
#

I love love love the emperor's spear their book was so fucking good

raven stone
rocky gale
#

Don't like it

opaque coyote
raven stone
#

Fair. I actually like the Alpha Legion despite my loyalist leanings.

rocky gale
#

Then again I've no clue about Alpha Legion, I'm just tired of their memes

raven stone
opaque coyote
#

To be honest my current theory is that one of the brothers (no idea who) is still alive. But sort of controlling the Alpha Legion in the background.

#

Both Traitor, Loyalists, and the technicolor inbetween

#

Emphasis on sort of

#

They're working towards a goal

#

...

rocky gale
#

Yea the whole sneaky double dealy double agent double trouble double double toil and trouble thing, is just so loathsome to me.

opaque coyote
#

We have no idea what that goal is

raven stone
#

Which is somewhat close to Iron Snakes.

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Oh, and also, not treating normal humans as absolute shit.

opaque coyote
rocky gale
#

Hm then yea that checks out

#

Iron Snakes are pretty chill

#

and..

opaque coyote
#

I guess because they don't want to like

rocky gale
#

Wait

opaque coyote
#

Have people reveal their secrets out of spite

raven stone
#

They even attend diplomatic functions IIRC in one of their stories.

opaque coyote
#

Having the abused Serf suddenly fuck up your plans because they're pissed is bad

rocky gale
#

One of the final moments of Brothers of the Snake is when a Human asks them to take their helmets off so she can see their faces and she then tells Priad "You all look the same" and he says like "Not to me"

raven stone
#

Yep.

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They might have the same appearance meme going on in their Chapter (Yes I know meme overload is a thing but in context of lore it is another similarity)

rocky gale
#

Hey maybe there's something to that then and it's not bad since it's like the positive aspects of Alpha Legion without the memey subterfuge stuff

raven stone
#

Pretty much. At least some Alpha Legion would probably have seen the bigger picture and just go “hang on things are getting out of hand”

#

During HH

opaque coyote
#

I like their designs

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Their secretive stuff

#

I also hate their secretive stuff

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It's weird

#

Also the fact that they don't treat baselines like shit.

Most likely because they know that if you treat your servants well. They won't ruin your plans or betray you ever further

raven stone
#

Yea, I think it is hard for fiction writers to write balanced subterfuge.
Like, it shouldn’t be useless, but it also shouldn’t be super-power levels.

opaque coyote
raven stone
#

And yes, them being nice to normal humans is more out of pragmatism, instead of inherent goodness. But in 40k every little mercy counts I suppose…

opaque coyote
#

You have to actually give out enough hints so that it makes sense when it's revealed

#

But at the same time you can't give out too much to ruin the mystery

#

And you can't just have it pop out of nowhere with no build up

#

And unfortunately the Alpha Legion is a victim of that

#

This mf's 100% an alpha legion spy smh

raven stone
opaque coyote
#

I do like the idea that

#

Not even the alpha legion knows what they are doing

#

Or if they are

#

Chaos

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Renegade

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Or Loyal even

paper haven
#

The Alpha Legion is my favorite meme.

#

This is a lie

raven stone
#

Yes, a war of secrets does inevitably mean an organisation will devolve into distrusting itself out of actual necessity.

opaque coyote
#

I find it funny that it could genuinely be that

#

There is no actual plan

#

There is no true all compassing secret

#

They're just so embroiled in their own secrets that they have no idea if they're fighting or not

paper haven
#

I think they have a bunch of Alpha Legion space marines on Terra in stasis with implanted memories to have them be on literally any side depending on how they are woken up

raven stone
#

How zen.

raven stone
#

(So Radical Loyalist, I.e. “use warp to destroy Chaos”)

opaque coyote
paper haven
#

Cyrene?

opaque coyote
#

Honestly my personal theory is that they're Renegade

#

Not Chaos

#

Not Loyalist either

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Just "Pro-Humanity"

#

They're a traitor faction that doesn't support chaos nor the imperium

paper haven
#

I'm of the theory that they're full on loyalist. But like more to the vision of the Emperor than to the actual Imperium.

raven stone
# paper haven Cyrene?

HH book character. TLDR someone who is…weird on their outlook due to association with HH era Word Bearer (and yes to explain in full involves a lot of spoilers lol)

paper haven
#

The Blessed lady?

#

She showed up again?

raven stone
#

I personally just see the Alpha Legion as truly fractured by this point, except every warband/Chapter/cell believes themselves to be following Alpharius’ intended actions (somehow)

paper haven
#

Also I seriously doubt either Alpharius or Omegon are actually dead.

opaque coyote
#

I honestly want a cabal of villains for a fanfic that "encompass" each of the four.

A Khorne Berserker Lamenters

A Slaaneshi Cultist Woman

And for Tzeentch. Somebody who's Alpha Legion.

paper haven
#

No Nurgle?

raven stone
opaque coyote
winter vessel
opaque coyote
#

I was thinking of a baseline to balance the scale

#

Just some guy who managed to get enough of Nurgle's blessings to be powerful

paper haven
opaque coyote
#

GETS DISINTEGRATED BY SAINTLY POWER

paper haven
#

A bunch of the time they're like the Peanut Gallery, just observing things and shaking their heads in disappoinntment.

opaque coyote
# paper haven No Nurgle?

Actually I now have an idea

A traitor Ordos Hospitaler.

Basically just someone who was sick of all the suffering

#

The cruelty of people and of life. How you can die by getting a miniscule thing inside your body

#

So instead she embraces it

paper haven
opaque coyote
#

A doctor turned into the thing she was going against

#

Because the only "cure" to suffering.

Is to embrace it

paper haven
#

A poet, (Khornate)

A dancer (Slaanesh)

A scribe (Tzeentch)

A Gardener (Nurgle)

Each are basically normal humans who embody the less overtly evil aspects of each power

opaque coyote
#

As for the Slaaneshi one.

They would be

In a weird relationship.

Similar to Argel Tal and Raum tbh

paper haven
#

Argel Tal and raum were best friends tho

opaque coyote
#

Exactly

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It's weird because usually a Daemon would want to overtake the host

#

And vice versa

#

But the Slaaneshi villain just has...

A daemon living her in her mind like a roommate

paper haven
#

He truly was the ideal of the Word Bearers vision of a possessed space marine.

opaque coyote
#

Maybe I should make her asexual for shits and giggles

raven stone
#

I think technically speaking that isn’t an exception.
Raum knew she had the upper hand anyways.

opaque coyote
paper haven
#

Raum was a girl?

opaque coyote
raven stone
#

Like, a demon deciding to not take over you is a mercy on their part.
Twice so if you cannot actually get it to go away, and it can prevent you from acting against it (even if it doesn’t smother your conscious mind or body completely)

paper haven
#

Raum also stated that if they fought each other it would mean that both would eventually die and that wasn't ideal

opaque coyote
#

Well

#

As pleasant as a daemon can be

raven stone
#

(And it worked because Lorgar was as naive as Magnus)

paper haven
raven stone
#

is whomped by fanboys of 2 legions

opaque coyote
#

Nah Tsons fans would agree with you there

#

Magnus is a 20 in INT

#

But 1 in Wisdom

dusk patrol
#

Also Argel Tal and Raum were together for like

#

A few years

paper haven
#

You ever see that meme with Jimmy neutron?

opaque coyote
#

Thank you but I don't need it

dusk patrol
#

We’ve seen daemons fake stuff for centuries

opaque coyote
# dusk patrol A few years

Yeah fair

Still though I did genuinely feel sad when Argel Tal called for Raum when Raum got killed by Erebus

#

For once, he should've listened to the Daemon in his shoulder

paper haven
#

Raum was a better person than Erebus

opaque coyote
#

Like the Daemon and the Host are so shitty that their flaws actually bounce off each other in a weird way

#

Like the Host's backstory is that she turned to Slaanesh because she was tired of making the same Gothic fashion

#

And wanted other options

#

Yes that's it

#

That's her entire reason for voluntarily turning to chaos

#

She wanted to make extra fashion choices

raven stone
#

Depends on what you mean by “shitty demon”
If by that you mean a demon that is bad at its job…

#

Then yea, I could see a comedy working.

opaque coyote
#

Actually that would be fucking funny

paper haven
#

Magnus

#

No thanks

raven stone
# opaque coyote Actually that would be fucking funny

It would probably make the purist fanboy throw up but imagine this in anime style with a cute protagonist no less (with a demon in her ofc).

“…I want to make dresses other than gothic style!”
“Have you tried skinning humans? To make a lab coat? I have seen someone else do it is pretty swell!”
“Lady WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!?”
“I don’t know, I am a demonette from the warp, isn’t it absolutely normal for coats to be made from human skin?”

opaque coyote
#

"Actually that could complement the blue very well"

paper haven
#

Classic Daemon misunderstanding of whaty a leather coat is

opaque coyote
#

Or something

#

She has zero moral fiber

plush mason
#

so random question, you think the tech priests ever get in a ship of Theseus situation?

#

they replace so much of themselves they ask "am i still me?"

storm jungle
#

Yes they absolutely do.

#

Humans are complex beings and admech are no different, they are pretty much still what we are at the end of the day no matter how much they deny it.

plush mason
#

yeah, stoic and robotic in public, once the doors close its just pure anxiety

crisp heath
#

How do space marine Chaplins and grey knights compare in psychic capabilities?

#

Does the average grey knight just blow (non mephestan) chaplins out the water?

rocky gale
#

You mean Librarians?

crisp heath
#

Probably

#

The ones that shoot lightning

rocky gale
#

Yea Librarians are Psykers

#

Chaplains are these guys

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plush mason
crisp heath
#

I would not speak to this man about my problems

#

He looks like he eats children

rocky gale
#

It depends

#

The average Grey Knight is probably more trained in resisting Daemons than the standard Librarian, but they aren't necessarily more powerful

#

Grey Knights also have their own Librarians and those are definitely stronger than your average unnamed Space Marine Librarian though

plush mason
#

grey knight librarians = psykers x2

storm jungle
#

GK in general are basically "im you but better"

dusk patrol
#

I have a skull on my face and your mental well being in mind

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plush mason
dusk patrol
#

Tbf, they’re generally quite good at galvanizing people.

viral halo
#

galvanize this

dusk patrol
#

I’m gonna galvanize my foot into your ass

plush mason
#

do all chaplains have a refractor field generator?

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
plush mason
#

so they are even tankier than their brothers

dusk patrol
#

Not always depicted or remembered by authors but they’re supposed to.

dusk patrol
#

Also technically if we wanna be anal, which we do, the rosarius would be a conversion field

plush mason
#

so it is fully possible that while they are helping one of their brothers that is having doubts or what not that the SM in question just snaps and like tries to hit the chaplain only for the field to stop the blow and the chaplain is just standing there like "really brother?"

dusk patrol
#

Not a refractor field

#

Refractor fields disperse the energy across the field, conversion fields convert it into harmless light

plush mason
#

ok

dusk patrol
#

Marines do use refractor fields though, but conversion tends to be better and generally what captains and chaplains have

crystal forum
#

omg

#

if a gorgon terminator gets shot by a big enough hit

#

it blinds everybody next to it

fallen plaza
#

That's there lore yes

crystal forum
#

because of the force field converts the energy to light

#

that's pretty funny

#

fighting alongside your terminator lads and the unmatched power of the sun blinds you

fallen plaza
#

I would not want that in a video game

bold matrix
#

When Emperors Children codex releases, GW please I beg you make the noise marines models look good

#

It is all I desire

crisp heath
bold matrix
#

i dont care if this was meant to be ironic

crisp heath
#

not entirely sure what a codex even is to be honest

#

t. been into warhammer since dawn of war 2 was released

bold matrix
#

i dont play 40k but when the new codex releases they also release new models

#

so I just want noise marines

#

I dont even care about emps children, just noise marines

crisp heath
rocky gale
#

Codex is a combination of lore and rules

bold matrix
crisp heath
#

why hasn´t there been an emperors children codex if theyve been there since the beginning?

crisp heath
rocky gale
#

They’ve had codex’s in the past but recently they paired down a lot of the codex’s with new editions

shadow plover
#

Codex implies a dedicated army for that faction, EC have just been a part of Chaos Space Marines thus far

rocky gale
#

So they got absorbed into generic Chaos Space Marines

bold matrix
#

like night lords or iron warriros (best legions) dont have their own rulebooks either

#

they just use CSM rules

rocky gale
#

But with 10th EC are confirmed to be getting a codex again

#

Like Tempestus Scions had their own codex in 7th or 8th can’t remember which, but now they’re just part of the Guard codex

bold matrix
#

or inquisition had its codex back in like 4th edition

rocky gale
#

GW are always inflating and deflating who gets a codex and who gets absorbed into another

storm jungle
#

chaos in specifics basically only get codexes from chaos marines who are devoted to a god as well.

#

So World Eaters for Khorne, Thousand Sons for Tzeentch and Death Guard for Nurgle etc.

#

anyone else largely doesnt matter

bold matrix
storm jungle
celest dome
storm jungle
bold matrix
#

bad opinion