40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

How the gestalt field works isn’t really that nebulous or unclear

[storm jungle]

I mean it is

its just a handwaved explanation

it doesnt matter, its dumb fantasy stuff

it doesnt need to make sense

[crisp heath]

exactly

thank you

god

[storm jungle]

no problem lmao

hate this debate

[crisp heath]

can i please go play now 😭

[storm jungle]

go ahead

[dusk patrol]

Or course it doesn’t make sense but it has defined rules in the setting

[storm jungle]

It doesnt though

40k has no "rules"

[dusk patrol]

It does, we see how it works

[storm jungle]

authors break them all the time

[queen laurel]

yeah really the only has rules

[storm jungle]

so no

Theres a set guideline, and authors follow it until they wanna try something different.

[queen laurel]

But they can be dependable because you know settings

[dusk patrol]

Yes and once something actually changes that shows that we can act like it’s a thing until then

There’s clear rules and limits to it

[queen laurel]

they're more guidelines than actual hard rules

[storm jungle]

^

as the meme goes

anyway im gonna go play some gaymes

[spring cairn]

video games are bad for your health

[dusk patrol]

Yes and those guidelines make the above conversation clear

[queen laurel]

Lamba you just started playing your 500th Karl franz campaign

you have no right to talk in this

[spring cairn]

No

it's gelt time

[crisp heath]

so just say "that´s just what happens in the lore", it just bothers me on an intellectual level when then we go on to try to explain why it is with the rules of the universe, while it can be very easily shown that the rules would break themselves

[spring cairn]

I love colonizing not china

!

sniff my opiods Miao Ying

[dusk patrol]

Because I’m working with what exists and what’s shown

And nothing that’s been shown, shows that level of reality warping

[crisp heath]

anyone wanna play auric damnation 😭

EU

[queen laurel]

the thing with things like WWWAAAAAAAGGGHH is because no matter how much you wanted to make sense it's never gonna like yes I get where you're coming from why can't you just do this or stuff like that but like that's the thing it's guideline says it can't

[dusk patrol]

This really isn’t complicated

[queen laurel]

It isn't a hard rule but it's a clear defined guideline of what it's limited it can do, I don't like it but as much as I don't want to defend it it's the set guideline

[crisp heath]

gonna play auric maelstrom now, central europe, if anyone wants to play please DM me 😭

[forest orbit]

Auric damnation huh 💀

best of luck

you'll prob have more luck with quickplay though

[spring cairn]

qp auric is fine

[crisp heath]

i have to commend our players though, when i was trying to do the auric survivor achievement, i was losing all day, then i joined a strike team and got it with 5 games in a row!

[forest orbit]

Damn im jealous

💀

one day ill get that penance

[spring cairn]

we have reached the point where it's mostly ppl who know what they doing

left

[crisp heath]

well, that was when i was visiting in north america now that i remember

yeah i wouldnt count on it in EU lol

[forest orbit]

What did the servers mean by this....

[crisp heath]

i mean you could cheat it

if you really wanted to

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s not a hard thing to get, we work inside the examples and rules we’ve seen for stuff until they’re broken and then we correct from there if needed

[crisp heath]

i got it legit and i´m really proud of it ☺️

even if everybody is gonna think i cheated too

[spring cairn]

i got it day 1 without cheating and the hardest part was carrying the dude who left because he's cheating it

[crisp heath]

lool

yeaaaa

let´s see if i get any cheaters this match

so long as they don´t get downed, i gues.....

[queen laurel]

i don't see cheaters in this game much

like i barely encounter them

[dusk patrol]

I can’t remember the last time I saw a blatant one

[crisp heath]

not getting it again lmao

funny

we are talking about leavers who task manager quit if they get downed

so they don´t lose the penance

alright, match is starting

[rose thorn]

Hey is Labor Day a thing in Europe?

[queen laurel]

seems to be the case why ask

[fallen plaza]

And free healthcare too

[outer wave]

Out of context, this looks particularly bad lmao, awesome lil guy though

[rose thorn]

Idk any Europeans who don’t live in a war torn country, or Poland

British

I guess idk if they have labor days

Wait what’s Labor Day celebrating in Europe?

[celest dome]

1st of May ?

[shadow plover]

The international version is May Day aka. International Workers' Day on May 1st

[rose thorn]

Ohhh

I’ve always been told in school Labor Day was a celebration of veterans

[celest dome]

Always funny to think that that day is due to American history, and that unions were murdered in the states

[shadow plover]

well, May Day has a longer history than just a workers' day but it has been joined to that celebration iirc

[tough haven]

Welcome to the US! Doing things and making a big deal about things that other countries just do without a fuss!

We’re effectively a third world country

[celest dome]

Labour day yes.
It being 1st of May not really iirc

[tough haven]

How exactly would an ogryn threaten someone? I feel like it would with very cartoonish violence that could very realistically be done to you

Like squishing someone into a ball

[celest dome]

Towering over, shouting, pushing someone else...

[queen laurel]

a variety of things a big guy would do staring you down

threatening to rip you and eat you

[tough haven]

I’m just thinking of what an ogryn would threaten you with, and who tf would even need a verbal threat

[queen laurel]

to just grabbing your ally and just squishing his skull

[tough haven]

I just imagine an ogryn barely being held back after some gangers insult his boss or his pals

“Can I rip ‘is arms off now sah?”

I fucking love ogryns

I need more Baggit and clodde

[paper haven]

I am certain that anybody who knows what an Ogryn is also knows to behave around them

[queen laurel]

ogryns when not including special characters, are the strongest when it comes to physical strength in the imperium

Just being near them is enough to warrant being quiet should they want to be on the receiving end of being punched

[tough haven]

Some people are fucking stupid though

Or think they’re hot shit

Soon they turn into a hot stain on the wall

[paper haven]

Granted but those problems solve themselves

[queen laurel]

yeah try thinking you're hot shit next to a giant mountain of muscle capable of dragging a 38 ton transport vehicle

[paper haven]

Look, anything that can brawl a space marine in power armor and the result isn't immediately clear deserves at least a little caution

[tough haven]

I’m just trying to write an ogryn for a ttrpg rn so I’m trying to figure out how to do it for certain bits

[tough haven]

The emperor if he made space marines with ogryns as the template

[queen laurel]

just the saying

stare at him menacingly will work most of the time

you're a giant Ogryn

If you're going to negotiate with a human and you want to terrify them you just need to stare at them

[paper haven]

I like to think of them as innocent killing machines

[tough haven]

They’re just my big goobers

[paper haven]

Just a silly guy

[tough haven]

And I’m 100% stealing basing him off of brawler/bodyguard

[tough haven]

Basically his story is he’s working for the local militia/fighting force and they are getting tired of all the problems having an ogryn around causes, so they just dump him off on the party

[paper haven]

It's like releasing a gator into the sewers when it gets too big

[tough haven]

Stump doesn’t care though, so long as he’s got someone to report to, bad people to krump, and maybe some good mates, he’s happy

[tough haven]

The setting is on a world that’s effectively post apocalyptic after some fucked up warp based weaponry went off

[paper haven]

Sounds about right

[tough haven]

So it’s mostly gonna be like mutants and the survivors

Idk what we’re doing yet though

[tough haven]

I’m just trying to come up with a small list of contextual lines in combat like in darktide, mostly so when I need a quick response I have something to go off of instead of just sitting there thinking of what to say line I usually do lol

[rocky gale]

Dunno what Labour day is, it's just an American thing we hear about in tv shows and movies but is never explained

Oh okay I scrolled down through it's May Day

[paper haven]

Labor Day is a holiday to celebrate and recognize blue collar folks and all the things they've achieved in workplace safety.
Like weekends, the eight hour work day, OSHA regulations.

[rocky gale]

For Veterans we have Armed Forces (Veterans) day in June and Remembrance day in November

[paper haven]

The US celebrates remembrance day but we call it Veterans Day

[crystal forum]

it's also canadian

and a couple other countries

i think

[rocky gale]

It's two separate things for us since Armed Forces day is for active duty soldiers and veterans, while Remembrance day is for those that have died

[crystal forum]

we also have both in canada. it's a commonwealth thing i believe

with the poppy for remembrance day

[rocky gale]

Yea

[paper haven]

The US has Memorial Day, which isn't in November, for those that died specifically and Veterans Day for everyone, including those that died.

[rocky gale]

Does US have the Poppy?

[crystal forum]

as far as i know that's another commonwealth thing

since it originates from a british poem

[paper haven]

I've also heard it called Poppy Day. It's less common in The US because the poppy was a British thing

Regardless, it's the day WW1 ended in all cases

[rocky gale]

Yea November 11th at the 11th hour

[paper haven]

In the US, memorial Day pins are usually the purple heart or the Pow/Mia pins

[rocky gale]

We use the poppy because of WW1 and how poppys started to grow in the fields of France, so it became like a symbol of peace and hope for the future, growing from the tragedy of the past.

[crystal forum]

i thought it came from the poem

[rocky gale]

Well the poem is about the fields

It's all like linked, they were a popular and captivating symbol at the tiem

[tough haven]

What is the mechanicus presence on necromunda?

[rose thorn]

We have those too except that we dont get the day off

Oh we have Memorial Day off

[rocky gale]

I dunno if people normally get those days off here

They might

They might be Bank Holidays

[paper haven]

I take those days off. No idea if it's normal to get them off or not

[rocky gale]

Na they're not public holidays, but on Remembrance day most places will stop and observe the silence at 11 AM

[paper haven]

That's something, at least

[celest dome]

Only through the Technica Guilds and select Technoarcheologist.
They aren't really a major local force atm

[fallen marsh]

Necromunda is rather disconnected from wider WH40k lore

[tough haven]

Really? There’s no like enginseer conclaves or anything to maintain shut?

[queen laurel]

most of the stuff are maintained by the populace

[tough haven]

That sounds heretical

[queen laurel]

necromunda kind of just does its own thing

[queen laurel]

eh they make do

[tough haven]

Touching the sacred machine as a layperson

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they don't give a shit

[tough haven]

What do the technica guilds do?

[queen laurel]

this is Necromunda a place so dangerous a genestealer cult hasn't even reach the final stage of it trying to take over the planet

Xenos trading are common stuff as well

[fallen marsh]

Necromunda is so dangerous that they have their own genestealers that fight with regular genestealers

[queen laurel]

hell the place is so hellish that the unique radiation is starting to mutate the damn things

[fallen marsh]

Yeah. Great minis

[arctic talon]

Tbf someone tried to “cure” the genestealers first

[queen laurel]

why the **** would he think that

[arctic talon]

Idk

He’s dead now

[queen laurel]

No surprise there

[queen laurel]

oh yeah wolfy fishsticks, can you possess chaos knowledge but only use it as like a precaution like knowing khorne and stuff with out going insane?

Like you know the ruinous powers are a thing but you only use that knowledge as a way to figure out or combat them

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

yeah reading daemon slayer i just watched felix mention the name of chaos gods

in his head

[tough haven]

What the fuck does necromunda even produce that makes it valuable to the imperium?

[storm jungle]

Mostly industrial stuff

its capacity is big for it

[queen laurel]

yeah it makes a lot of good stuff

But it doesn't matter because it does its job as a planet so that's why they can get away with so much

[dusk patrol]

Lots of really cool mugs

[celest dome]

That's what the Technica guild is

[dusk patrol]

With neat custom stenciling

[tough haven]

Nevermind necromunda #1

[celest dome]

Weapons, some specialised ones like Plasma, and Regiments of IG, as well as Imperial Fist

[tough haven]

Are skitarii present with the guilds?

[storm jungle]

Nope

Skitarii are forgeworld related

they got no reason to be on the planet

[celest dome]

There could be some Skitarii Bodyguard (Skitarii Provost iirc) if some Admech member was on site

[tough haven]

I thought generally they accompany tech priests wherever they go in many circumstances

[fallen marsh]

There is one reason but lore tries to ignore and handwave it.

Fully working albeit damaged STC that somehow doesn't interest Admech very much.

[storm jungle]

Its fully explained why tho

the STC is literally in the deep core of the Hive, the Van Saar hide it or pay curios techpriests with valuable enough tech that they look the other way.

[storm jungle]

Depends on the techpriest

some may want a skitarii escort, others dont

etc

[tough haven]

Or can provide extra security provided as part of a deal

[storm jungle]

Pretty much, its like how not every celebrity gets a bodyguard escort anywhere

[tough haven]

In fuckin necromunda I’m gonna want some tireless cyborgs guarding me

[queen laurel]

yes maybe they want an modified Ogryn'

but yes it depends some have rather creative ways of having their safety

[fallen marsh]

I wouldn't call that being fully explained. More like GW gave some explanation and ignored that later. Small rumour should be enough for AdMech to scour every nook and crany of the Hive. They waged wars for less.

[storm jungle]

You're vastly overestimating how much the rest of the Imperium cares about Necromunda below The Wall and underestimating just how good Lord Helmwar is at his job of keeping the Imperium out of local affairs. There isn't even the hint that an STC exists on Necromunda because House Van Saar spent centuries filling society with the idea that their tech comes from an enormous cache of archeotech they uncovered. Other Clan Houses even send out expeditions hunting for "The Great Vault of Van Saar."

It very much is fully explained, the necromunda codexes go painfully into every detail on how their society is run and managed below the Imperium's notice, we are talking about a planet filled with the weirdest commodities, theres planets out there that are way worse in comparison.

[queen laurel]

armageddon moment

literal vacation spot that is

[storm jungle]

And if you just told your Magos "I want to investigate the planet of Necromunda due to the rumor of an STC" most of the time you will get laughed out his domain and be told to come back to them with actual evidence, and thats to begin with if they even respect your position enough to fill you in on any resources for the endevour itself.

The admech is extremely fractured and even more important STC related knowledge-quests need a ton of politicking/requests among other things to get fully off the ground.

[queen laurel]

Yeah and I bet even if the admechs try to invade necromunda, the natives aren't exactly easy to bring down

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna give the normal Dilara boring answer: “It’s cause they wrote it that way.”

[rose thorn]

The reason I thought up for admech to be on Necromunda is to deal with the vast cast vast amount of counter counterfeiting

[queen laurel]

The damn planet has a literal God sleeping on it

[storm jungle]

Nah.

That excuse applies to everything in lore

And its the most generic and boring answer

[rose thorn]

True

[queen laurel]

why is the emperor such a massive Twatasaurus Rex

[storm jungle]

It’s cause they wrote it that way.

[queen laurel]

see boring

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

The flip flop between emperor dissing and emperor circle jerking is very apparent in HH lmao

[storm jungle]

not even HH tbh, almost the whole fandom

[dusk patrol]

📸

[storm jungle]

I LITERALLY SAID THAT TO YOU LIKE 10 TIMES MYSELF

[dusk patrol]

YES AND I SAID ITS BORING AND LAZY NO SHIT THATS WHY EVERYTHING HAPPENS

[storm jungle]

YEAH BECAUSE THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBJECTS

an STC just not being discovered is a lot different to "why is this super-god person just acting like a 10 year old"

[dusk patrol]

OMG I THOUGHT MAGICLA SPACE MARINES FIGHTING EVIL SLAVER SPACE ELVES WAS REALISTIC

[rose thorn]

How would you make 40k events feel like they matter without destroying the lore

[dusk patrol]

Arks did it imo

[queen laurel]

not making the setting about plastic crack

but that's their main source of income so

[dusk patrol]

They’ve shown they can do good narratives

[rose thorn]

I heard most of ark except the very end was good

[queen laurel]

Yes but because of the constraints of having to sell miniatures they are rather held back on that front

[dusk patrol]

Outside of the Farsight book

Which wasn’t terrible just kinda meh

[queen laurel]

a lot of the stories and not affecting the setting in any major way

[storm jungle]

You mostly cant.

[dusk patrol]

The rest had a lot of cool stuff happen

[storm jungle]

this is a setting with no stakes

just the illusion of one

[queen laurel]

it's always to sell one of these cool looking mech

[rose thorn]

Honestly hel crown being destroyed was pretty baller lore wise

[queen laurel]

i need to get into reading AOS books

but i'm still trying to finish gotrek and felix

[rose thorn]

Okay so, the AOS Gotrek books are really bad for

[queen laurel]

introduction?

absolutely

[rose thorn]

It just gets worse lmao

It’s fun

But basically gortek is just a merry sue

‘I hate my life and everything sucks murder murder murder maybe life is cool’

Next book

‘I hate my life and wanna kill everyone’

[queen laurel]

yeah without felix to hold him back it really doesn't feel fun

like one of the things he's just doing is looking for him

[rose thorn]

Except when he abandoned that

[queen laurel]

yep

but hey

[rose thorn]

His original sidekicks were good

But the new ones are pretty shit

[queen laurel]

if somehow felix is a stormcast i will be not suprised

he was one of the greater souls and heroes of the previous world

[rose thorn]

How did he die again?

[queen laurel]

haven't gotten to that part of the book series so don't know

this thing has like 18 books

[rose thorn]

If he died from the planet exploding then he probably would be refirged

[queen laurel]

and i'm only on the third one

that's not including the sub stories

[rose thorn]

I’m going through cursed city

It’s amaizng

[queen laurel]

besides battle tomes this is the only story i finished

[dusk patrol]

World ended

Iirc he was in some dwarven hold when it did

[queen laurel]

so there is a chance he survived and got reforged

i know it is cheap but i wish he's back

[dusk patrol]

That what Gotrek is hoping

[rose thorn]

Yeah he’s cooked lmao

[queen laurel]

in the 1st place why would he look for felix, besides thinking that he probably misses him more than anything because he was his one true companion

[dusk patrol]

I don’t wanna spoil the newer stuff

[rose thorn]

The only old world souls have been reforged basically have no memory of their everything

[dusk patrol]

It’s just that

[rose thorn]

And are only implied to be people

[dusk patrol]

He wants his friend back, kinda guilty he couldn’t save him

[rose thorn]

Yeha

[queen laurel]

Probably when he finds them he will immediately go to the Tavern have a brawl and get some ale

[rose thorn]

If that was his mission and stuck to it i would like gortek

[queen laurel]

and then go around the realms just bettering it or some stuff

[rose thorn]

But all he does is bitch and complain

[queen laurel]

yeah without to balance his gruff personality

it is not fun to listen to him

I like him don't get me wrong but Felix really brought that you know civilized property in their group

[rose thorn]

‘Your not dwarves you are all pussies!!!’
‘What the fuck is a dwarf-‘

[arctic talon]

have stuff like the campaign/crusade GW has done for 8e to 10e

its just that easy

[tough haven]

Yeah I actually like the vague progression

Enough room for homebrew without being too loose

[arctic talon]

They literally blew up 3/8ths of The Eight in Arks of Omen Farsight

or I guess 1/8th since only one of them died

[tough haven]

Dope

I never actually read the arks stuff cause I’m not paying for it

[arctic talon]

rip Brightsword

suffered a fatal case of missile to the faceitus

[tough haven]

It’s ok they’ll just clone him again

[arctic talon]

isn't it literally a different Tau

for every brightsword

[tough haven]

What were the major happenings of the farsight enclaves arks?

[tough haven]

Probably

Because each one of them has different experiences and stuff

[arctic talon]

They fight off a huge WAAAAGH, an ark of omen shows up and gets in a fight with the Orks. the FSE forces take a chance to bail out and escape, they ask the Tau Empire for help, Aun'va tells Farsight to go kill himself. Farsight goes off to slaughter the Ork Waaagh which has been depleted fighting the Ark

and uh

(insert Pulse Rifle Porn)

anyways the Farsight Enclaves don't die

but Brightsword dies, The AI Dude is severely damaged

[tough haven]

Yay!

[arctic talon]

and one of the other Eight is in a Coma

[tough haven]

Sounds like y’all need to start electing new representatives

Or pulling in more gue’vesa

Do they even do anything outside of the enclaves?

Or do they just sit on the defensive

[tough haven]

Not even sure what the arks are lol

Isnt arks like killteams stuff

[queen laurel]

they sit on the defensive

They don't have forces to send out spearheads for new planets

they have numbers to defend themselves but

that's it

[arctic talon]

Arks are a big fuck off modified ship/space hulks that Vashtorr built

They’re basically meant to conquer entire systems on their own as a mobile fortress

Arks of Omen Lore wise was

another chaos victory

which is

honestly getting kind of tiring at this rate lol

because Pariah Nexus's Crusade storyline was also a FUCKING CHAOS VICTORY

Every campaign book involving chaos GW released either was a Chaos victory or just a stalemate

So like at this rate it’s getting kind of tiring and I hope whatever the next campaign book that even involves chaos, chaos doesn’t win lol

[queen laurel]

they keep winning on multiple fronts

at least an AOS while they are active they need to be defensive because they are still losing

some of their numbers

[tough haven]

I just want something that isn’t chaos vs imperium like c’mon

[arctic talon]

I mean we did get those

[tough haven]

They don’t need like new planets, they just need to send some small groups to free imperials/mainline tau like the Underground Railroad

[arctic talon]

Warzone Octarius was nids vs orks

[fallen marsh]

You need to sell those space marines

[tough haven]

Like gimme fuckin uhhhh votaan vs necrons

[fallen marsh]

Thats a random combo

[tough haven]

Or tau vs GSC

[arctic talon]

that combo fucking sucks

[tough haven]

That was the point

[arctic talon]

we had that already

[tough haven]

Yeah but actually good

[arctic talon]

It was good

Chalnath's GSC vs tau thing was good

[tough haven]

Was that the mechanicus x tau GSC?

[arctic talon]

It was Tau VS Imperium -> Tau VS GSC -> Tau vs GSC -> Admech vs GSC

it was a killteam campaign

[tough haven]

Ah I see

We just need more niche mashups

[arctic talon]

I'm going to be honest here

Votann don't fucking exist as a faction yet lol

[tough haven]

Cause chaos vs imperium gets to be done to death but if one other mashup happens more than once people won’t have it

[arctic talon]

I'd rather GW just

not touch them until they get their book

[tough haven]

Yeah so with their lore coming out they should get a matchup

[arctic talon]

[tough haven]

Like after it comes out

[arctic talon]

They show up in Crusade Pariah Nexus

they were relevant in Bheta Decima as well

Votann vs GSC vs Imperium

[tough haven]

I wanna see tau vs necrons

[arctic talon]

also dropped this line "You misunderstand, Human. I am not here to debate. I am not here to compromise. What you see as yours, I am taking for my Kindred. You want to bargain? Tôryk, unholster our means of negotiation."

[arctic talon]

we had that

like twice now

[paper haven]

How would GSC work on a mechanicus planet anyway?

[tough haven]

In real amounts?

[arctic talon]

Yeah?

I mean the second time

[tough haven]

Corrupt the fleshy bots

[arctic talon]

same infection vectors, usually among menials

menials still have kids on forgeworlds

[tough haven]

Cause I remember the one off codex mention of the storm lord being a dick to them

What did we get past this

[arctic talon]

Vior'la sept attempts to uh

attack a Necron tombworld

[paper haven]

Right but they're likely to notice when the menials suddenly stop wanting to saw off their limbs for the machine god

[paper haven]

How'd that pan out?

[arctic talon]

no the menials still do that

just to the 4 armed god

[arctic talon]

idk ask him?

(it did not go well)

[fallen marsh]

Tau nightmare...close combat

[arctic talon]

Vior'la are comically hot headed

[paper haven]

He's just being a little silly

[arctic talon]

its like their defining trait as a Sept

[paper haven]

Right, because his head is on fire?

[arctic talon]

LOL

No like they're known for insane aggression

among the Tau Septs

[arctic talon]

Necron Warriors had worse initiative then fire warriors in 7e 💀

[paper haven]

Of all the factions to be aggressive against, the Necrons are one of the worst

[arctic talon]

they are known to kill first think later

to be fair

[tough haven]

Shit I miss so many cool matchups because I’m not schilling out money for everything that comes out, I don’t even hear about half of this

[arctic talon]

but yeah their reaction to necrons trying to like

encroach on tau territory is

[paper haven]

Actually, how do Necrons fare against Tau range units on the tabletop?

[arctic talon]

KILL THE TOMB WORLD GO GO GO

It didn't go well

[fallen marsh]

Necrons had 2 and Fire Warrior was on 3?

[arctic talon]

but it did get the Necrons to stop encroaching on Tau territory

[arctic talon]

I belive so yeah

[arctic talon]

Fire Warrior shooting quality is marginally worse then necron warrior shooting quality

Tau have the upside of being able to bring a lot more big guns though

Necrons always have to pay the price of having tough to kill units

[paper haven]

It mildly inconvenienced the Necron lord and he decided to go back to sleep so he didn't have to deal with this bs

[arctic talon]

Tau aren't too hard to kill

they got carapace saves but like

No reanimation protocols, no multiwound infantry

very few invuln saves outside of battlesuit commanders and characters

[tough haven]

I would love to see their reaction to the most ancient race with tech that just casually humbles them, with the self repair aspect as well, with how they reacted to a fucking dreadnaught that’s a drop in the bucket comparatively

[tough haven]

Granted KILL THE TOMB WORLD GO GO GO!!! is probably the best tactic, you need mont’ka tactics to behead their leaders quickly and then assault the tomb world while they’re in disarray, cause in a war of attrition against necrons you will lose

[paper haven]

Oh, you guys thought the old cripple in a mech was bad?
Wait til you meet the edgy elves or the guys who transplanted their souls into indestructible bodies

[arctic talon]

They ran into the edgy elves before they ran into the normal ones

Lol

[paper haven]

Unfortunate.

[tough haven]

I mean for “holy shit this guy in this suit is older than our whole civilization part”

[tough haven]

Tactical victory

[paper haven]

Yeah that's what I mean

[arctic talon]

To be fair viorla sept is not known for philosophy

Or uh

Culture

They’re known for war

And violence

[paper haven]

Then why aren't they good at it?

[tough haven]

Mainline tau getting humbled by older more deadly foes is like a drug for me, I need more

[arctic talon]

They are good at it

[tough haven]

Necrons, keep fucking them up

[arctic talon]

They’re just hotheaded dumbasses as well

Lol

[tough haven]

Please

[tough haven]

Farsight is fairly philosophical, but he’s unique

[paper haven]

The krieg could handle the necrons

[arctic talon]

They did not drop into a fully activated tombworld

[tough haven]

FSE just needs to start freeing people and tau through subterfuge to bolster their ranks

[tough haven]

Krieg had plot bs

[paper haven]

Not relevant

[arctic talon]

💀

But I think dropping straight into a fully active tombworld is

Utterly deranged at best

And actively suicidal at worse

[tough haven]

Tau aren’t imperials so they don’t get that, they just get to die horribly as fodder

[arctic talon]

I would like to mention the tau know what Necrons are

[tough haven]

I mean, how else do you stop a necron invasion?

[arctic talon]

This was a decision they made knowing about necron firepower lol

[paper haven]

A very complicated form of ritual suicide

[tough haven]

You can’t chip away at them

[arctic talon]

The goal was to crack open the planet

With a bomb lol

[tough haven]

I mean that’s fair

[paper haven]

As they deserve

[arctic talon]

It did not work

[tough haven]

Good try

[arctic talon]

It did blow up a huge chunk of the tomb complex

But like it didn’t work as intended

[tough haven]

I wanna see the tau’s reaction to necrons for the first time

[arctic talon]

Bcs they couldn’t get deep enough underground

[arctic talon]

Horror, terror, fear

[fallen marsh]

Not much you can do with activated tombworld other than destroying whole planet

[paper haven]

Under that smug tomb world there was a smaller, even more smug tomb world

[arctic talon]

The usual reactions one while have to literal reanimating metal skeletons

With guns that disintegrate everything

[tough haven]

How do tau not have exterminatus adjacent options for stuff like this

[arctic talon]

They do

The planet was shielded

[tough haven]

Womp Womp

[arctic talon]

They had to do it the old fashioned way

Lol

[paper haven]

The Tau thought fighting the Necrons while they were ready for a fight was a good idea

[tough haven]

Most high stakes game of cs:go ever

[paper haven]

It was not a good idea

[tough haven]

I mean, it was probably their best chance, you can’t just leave them be, and you can’t flee

[arctic talon]

Tbf it was explicitly considered a terrible idea by the other septs

Viorla are just batshit insane

And didn’t care

[fallen marsh]

Did they even knew what they are dealing with?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[tough haven]

Again, what other options do you have?

[arctic talon]

Again vior’la are batshit insane

[arctic talon]

Wait it out

[tough haven]

Fr?

Necrons are the kings of waiting

[fallen marsh]

Ignore from safe distance

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah the Necrons goal was to nab a few planets for resources

[paper haven]

Yeah but they go to sleep eventually

[arctic talon]

For something

The other tau septs pulled back and abandoned the planets

[tough haven]

Eeeby sleeby

[arctic talon]

Viorla doubled down and started going on the offensive

Because they didn’t want to lose their planets

[paper haven]

THEN you rush B, Cyka.

[tough haven]

I love how necrons will wake up, do some shit, then get eepy

[arctic talon]

They’re rightfully there’s

They took them from the imperium of man

And by the greater good they’re going to keep those planets

[tough haven]

Who took them by someone else

[paper haven]

The Eldar, probably

[tough haven]

Like after waking why don’t necrons go “fuck these whipper snappers, I’m gonna vaporize all of them for fun”

[paper haven]

Who took them from the Necrons, we've gone full circle

[tough haven]

Besides plot bc necrons are too strong

Like don’t necrons wanna reclaim their shit

[arctic talon]

Vior’las sept benefit was literally an extra 2” on charges, assaults and you get +1 S if you’re within half range lol

[tough haven]

And/or take back over the galaxy

[arctic talon]

They like being a bunch of angry up close psychos

[tough haven]

Where do y’all find all these cool lore stuff that isn’t done to death

[paper haven]

How do they fare against Orks?

[tough haven]

It’s probably old stuff isn’t it

[arctic talon]

They love fighting orks

Lol

[tough haven]

Usually quite well

[paper haven]

Cool

[tough haven]

They are mortal enemies

[arctic talon]

They make a nice fortified strong point

Out in the open

[tough haven]

Farsight literally wrote the book on killing them

[arctic talon]

And they start shelling it lol

As the orks attack it

Or rocket artillery rather

Rocketing it?

Idfk

[paper haven]

If I recall correctly, Necrons can only be active for a fairly short period of time because of power source usage or whatever

[arctic talon]

It depends

Canopteks usually want to be close to a “grid”

[tough haven]

Also executing leaders

[arctic talon]

Warriors can operate for a while

The key is executing leaders yeah

[tough haven]

That’s a shitty design

[arctic talon]

Warriors lose all cohesion

[arctic talon]

Canopteks need power smh

Aside from the big ones

Those ones don’t need it

[tough haven]

So just keep extending your grid to reclaim your galaxy

[arctic talon]

Yes

[paper haven]

A consequence of having your soul put into an indestructible body, I suppose

[arctic talon]

*mind

Not soul

[tough haven]

So you can keep pushing outwards

[arctic talon]

Those got eated

[tough haven]

Soul got munched

[arctic talon]

But yeah crons generally like

[paper haven]

Mind then

[arctic talon]

Want existing infrastructure

Or set up stuff

When invading

Now granted the first one is really common

[tough haven]

Yeah so go take some planets, make some more tomb worlds

[arctic talon]

But the non Canopteks can function good

[tough haven]

Make more power lines

[arctic talon]

For a long ass time

[paper haven]

They need to expand their power grid to stay active and that is apparently extremely difficult

[arctic talon]

Without refueling

They just become more inefficient

Warriors are also

Dumb as shit

[tough haven]

For the fucking race that breaking the laws of physics are just inconvenient

[arctic talon]

Necron warriors practically speaking only know how to walk forward and shoot

Lol

[paper haven]

And then there's the uh... Flesh wearers

[arctic talon]

And it gets worse if there isn’t a higher ranking cron like

Ordering them around

Immortals can function without a commander

[tough haven]

It’s just lore stuff to prevent necrons from just overtaking everything which would be boring admittedly, but c’mon, at least have them do something

[arctic talon]

But warriors are genuinely near non functional

Lol

Like they’re actually incredibly stupid

[tough haven]

Other than wake up, yell “get off my lawn” then go to sleep

[tough haven]

Not enough ssd space for the mind

[fallen marsh]

That what you get for not upgrading your anti-virus.

[paper haven]

Fair I suppose but imagine a bunch of indestructible insane murder robots just wandering around your planet

[arctic talon]

Tbf

They walk in straight lines once the commanders are gone

You can kill Necrons with lasguns

[paper haven]

Necron OS has lost connection to the network, shutting down

[arctic talon]

You just need a lot

[tough haven]

I thought necrons waking up was a exponential tidal wave as the awake ones wake up more and expand outwards, like a tomb world waking up fully is a “uh oh, systems fucked” scenario, not “oh just wait 24hrs and they’ll tire themselves out”

[paper haven]

It's both

[tough haven]

And you can kill necrons with lasguns again, and again, and again

[paper haven]

Their awake periods can last quite awhile

[tough haven]

Need like plasma or melta to hope to put them down permanently

[paper haven]

But they will eventually go back to bed

[tough haven]

Are new tomb worlds ever built?

Do we have record of them capturing new territory come to think of it?

I’ve only ever seen crons wanna just get them off their lawn

[paper haven]

As a whole, most tomb worlds haven't even woken up yet

What we see is the very tip of the iceberg

[tough haven]

Aren’t triarch praetorians going around waking them up to gather them together to conquer?

/silent king?

Silent king and imotekh are bickering about the future of the necron race, like guys, wake up the rest of the boys and then we can figure it out

[paper haven]

Maybe, if the newest edition talks about that stuff

[tough haven]

Critical path fellas

[opaque coyote]

Kinda hard when like half of them are buried under possibly billions of years of rubnle

[tough haven]

We aren’t even at that stage yet

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think that at least a quarter to half the tomb worlds got decayed

Since I think the Necrons were around billions of years ago

[paper haven]

There's a lot of in fighting too

[opaque coyote]

Even with their magical necrodermis and shit I doubt all of the tomb worlds survived

[tough haven]

When do nids and necrons even fight? Don’t they usually just ignore each other

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it would be neat to have like

A high ranking Necron wake up.

But they find that their entire tomb world and retinue die

[opaque coyote]

They view Nids as a threat to life itself.

Which is bad because they want their bodies for themselves

[paper haven]

I think that even decayed tombs can be reconstructed once powered up

[tough haven]

So they seek them out?

[tough haven]

I feel like that’s a book

[opaque coyote]

Also if the Tyranids can adapt to digest rock, wood, and even metal

And even warp stuff

Who's to say they won't eventually adapt to eat Necrodermis

[paper haven]

Thing is, everything the Necrons kill is gone forever

No reclaiming that lost biomass

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's also true

Also unlike most races

They don't need things like food

Or water

The Tyranids can't do things like take over food supplies

Well

The Necrons don't need it

[paper haven]

I'd like to see a book about that

[opaque coyote]

Hell their teleportation looks the exact same as their death. So it's unknown whether they actually die

At least in battle

The Necrons definitely know but the Hivemind won't

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I don't know what is more funny

[opaque coyote]

If the Hivemind itself is confused at the state the Milky Way is in

Or if the Hivemind is like

"Oh another galaxy where the warp is everywhere. God dammit."

[paper haven]

Well there you go

[tough haven]

Now that’s a matchup I wanna see more

[opaque coyote]

Because on one hand. It is infinitely funny to imagine the Hivemind being confused at like

Necrons and Daemons

[old acorn]

Awh, that's a shame. But what about their belief that the color blue is lucky? Is that why ultramarines can pull off such feats?

[opaque coyote]

"Oh look a weird form of bioma-"

"We can't eat it"

"What?"

"We can't eat it."

[tough haven]

Blue is real in lore

[opaque coyote]

"Are you fucking serious right now?"

[paper haven]

"Did you try melting it first?"
"..."
"Define: Grew back"

[tough haven]

It’s just that there is no purple in Ork society, it doesn’t hold any place , so the invisible purple joke is “well, you’ve never seen a purple Ork, have you?” So people assume it makes them invisible

But it’s not actually in the lore

[crisp heath]

Do pyskers have like an actual visible genetic difference to non pyskers (not the super mutated pyskers) or do they look the same antanomicyly

Like the pysker we play as in darktide

[tough haven]

Generally look the same, but the warp can take its toll in many ways

[paper haven]

Yes, it's connected to a gene

[opaque coyote]

"Oh there's tons of green biomass"

Like 50 years later

"WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE THEY SHOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW??"

"WAAAAAGGGGHH"

[tough haven]

But they are similar visually

Many get mutated due to warp exposure

[queen laurel]

it doesn't work on marines but it works on them

ork belief only works with ork

[paper haven]

As I recall, most humans have it in some way as humanity was on its way to evolving into a psychic species. Until Magnus did his oopsie, now we gotta burn thousands of psykers a day

[crisp heath]

Speaking of pyskers

How does prime Magnus compare to eldrad?

[paper haven]

I think the tyrannid eventually win that one, but I'm worried that constantly losing might make Orks remember that they're Krorks and then it's a problem

[crisp heath]

I kinda figured they’d be close to equal under the emperor being another level above them

[old acorn]

This is what I was getting at, fanks

[old acorn]

I am curious what this means

[paper haven]

I like the reasoning behind why the ultramarines are so stupidly successful. It's because they're blue and that's the lucky color

[paper haven]

Modern Orks are stupid because they don't have an opponent that forces them not to be

[crisp heath]

They win because they have bigger numbers then their enemy

Or make better use of the numbers

[old acorn]

Ohhhhhh, so like, being up against Tyrannids might force them to evolve back into Krorks?

[paper haven]

They're also damn near impossible to kill completely.

[crisp heath]

You have the full weight of perfect bureaucracy falling upon you

[old acorn]

Seeing how they're kinda evenly matched when it comes to fighting style and whatnot

[paper haven]

The thing about Orks is that even if you beat them, it's not really a victory because the next generation will be tougher

[crisp heath]

I feel like they could assign one ultramarine to each planet and could fix so many things

[opaque coyote]

I thought of a story where like

An Omega level Blank and Alpha level Psyker are born as twins.

At first the Psyker baby constantly kicked the inside of their mom's tummy cause it was in agony. Only for it to eventually calm down.

Basically due to a mutation. The Psyker and Blank siblings sort of balance themselves out. Whenever they're near each other. They're basically on the level of baseline.

Whenever they're far away from each other. Their respective powers with their cons activate. With the further away they go, the more powerful they get until they reach the max level

[old acorn]

Well that has me wondering, if Orks did happen to become Krorks again, how would they interact with the other factions?

[paper haven]

Look at the war of the beast and ullanor

[opaque coyote]

Basically they have an instinctual tendency to stay together.

Also the Psyker isn't immune to blanks. Just their brother

[arctic talon]

Everyone except for the drukhari, Necrons and eldar die lol

[paper haven]

Both cases you had almost Krorks and it was a problem

[arctic talon]

Also maybe chaos daemons

[paper haven]

For everyone

[arctic talon]

Mfw some massive ork almost chokes the emperor to death

Jokes aside we haven’t actually seen a krork yet

[old acorn]

Oh, so Krorks aren't less warlike due to increased intelligence, they're just much better at it?

[arctic talon]

Aside from the one in the museum

[paper haven]

Krorks had power armor

They used electronic warfare

[arctic talon]

They’re better at negotiating but Orks are designed for war

They’re the perfect war machine

If anything becoming Krork might unlock some generic memory of working with the eldar

And killing crons

[opaque coyote]

Basically the Orks match the technology level of their opponent

[arctic talon]

^

The Orks were designed as a race for war

[opaque coyote]

If they're in a feudal world they will only use muskets and axes

[paper haven]

I think Gazgul is the closest an ork is to being a krork

[old acorn]

Lore be crazy

[arctic talon]

Eldar were changed by the old ones

To become better optimized for war

Far Stronger psychic powers

Modified muscle and bone structure

Ect.

[paper haven]

Orks are straight up a biological weapon designed to fight the necrons

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

My theory is that the Krorks intentionally got nerfed by the old ones

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately they still didn't turn them off

[arctic talon]

We know the eldar and Krorks did fight

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Post war in heaven

[opaque coyote]

Thanks you old asshats

[paper haven]

Old ones didn't live long enough for that

[arctic talon]

Yeah the old ones were mostly dead

When the Krorks and eldar won

[old acorn]

I heard somewhere that if the humans would just allow the Emperor to die, he'd just revive and be back to full strength due to how his powers work

[arctic talon]

There’s some irony that the weapons survived but the creators didn’t

[paper haven]

The Orks are just running on auto pilot. The only reason they aren't Krorks is because the Necrons stopped fighting

[arctic talon]

Unclear if he’s that kind of perpetual also terra would explode

Lol

There’s nothing strong enough nowadays

That could create the Krork again

A really big ork yes

[opaque coyote]

Also there is an interesting detail in one of the Dawn of War games.

When the Orks decided to blow up a tomb full of Oldcrons. They seemed to suddenly become smarter

Which is

[arctic talon]

But not a krork

[opaque coyote]

Interesting

[paper haven]

It's not known and it's a huge risk

[crisp heath]

Tyranids probably could

[opaque coyote]

Like they use dedicated tactics and everything

[arctic talon]

Nids Enmass could

[crisp heath]

If you don’t let them ever stop fighting

[arctic talon]

Octarius orks weren’t near krork territory yet

[crisp heath]

However whoever wins that fight

[arctic talon]

They were getting very strong though

[crisp heath]

Would become a nightmare

[arctic talon]

The splinter fleet in question

[old acorn]

Is there ANY way at all to revive the Emperor? Also how tf did humanity manage to lose every last shred of evidence that the Emperor himself was like "I am not a god, don't worship gods for fuck sake"

[opaque coyote]

The Tyranids canonically won Octarius

So uhh

[arctic talon]

Religious extremism + it’s been 10,000 years

[crisp heath]

Punching air rn

[arctic talon]

[paper haven]

The entire ork tech tree is locked behind a genetic memory

Gazgul got smarter because he was shot in the head

[crisp heath]

I kinda hate how the bugs have everything so stacked in their favor

[arctic talon]

Memes the dna of the soul

[opaque coyote]

Some inquisitors have a theory that unplugging the emperor from his chair will do that.

However, it will 100% cause the solar system to be wiped off the face of the galaxy

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside ork tech is memetic

[opaque coyote]

Also whatever comes from that

[old acorn]

I wonder what would happen if someone found an ancient scroll recounting the actual words of the Emperor refuting the claim that he's a god.

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

Burned

[opaque coyote]

Is probably not the Emperor

[arctic talon]

It’s heresy

[paper haven]

It's implied that the milky way galaxy is the only one left not eaten by tyrannids

[opaque coyote]

Burned

[arctic talon]

The imperium is not logical

Or sane

[old acorn]

BRUH

[arctic talon]

It’s a batshit insane death cult

Lol

[opaque coyote]

The Imperium still uses parchment

[arctic talon]

Parchment is scrap code proof

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Parchment is actually good for long term storage

[arctic talon]

Checkmate cogheads

[paper haven]

Immediately censored, everyone executed

[opaque coyote]

It can last thousands of eyars

[arctic talon]

They use vellum specifically

Which is even better then paper

[opaque coyote]

If that document is lucky tho. It will be taken care of by the Inquisition. And placed in a library where it is never seen by anyone

[arctic talon]

If marines get it as well

[opaque coyote]

Except the Inquistion

[arctic talon]

It won’t be burned

But like

[crisp heath]

Damn

[arctic talon]

Any other imperial organization

[paper haven]

In a story I read, someone found a painting from when humanity was most powerful and he killed himself

[old acorn]

So like, at some point it truly became about power instead of being true to the Emperor

[arctic talon]

Straight to the pyre

[arctic talon]

No they genuinely believe it

Lol

The emperor saying he isn’t a god

Was a test of faith

For true believers

[paper haven]

Because the painting depicted humans in the way only the Emperor should be

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the Imperial Truth was also bullshit.

"Chaos does not exist"

[arctic talon]

The imperium is like

Not logical

[opaque coyote]

THE EYE OF TERROR SCREAMING

[paper haven]

Whoops

[arctic talon]

“I’m not the messiah”

”HE’S THE MESSIAH”

They sort of vibe

[paper haven]

Goge Vandire

[arctic talon]

Real

Though Sebastian Thor on the otherside was also like

[crisp heath]

If it wasn’t for

[arctic talon]

An insane religious dude

[crisp heath]

Fucking

Lorgar

[opaque coyote]

Also when Gulliman said that.

They reasoned that

"Well of course he isn't to Gulliman. He's his son!"

Which to be fair is actually reasonable

[arctic talon]

There’s also Gullimans thought that if the emperor themselves got off the throne

And yelled he’s not a god

Some would try burning him in a pyre lol

[opaque coyote]

To any normal base line human

The Emperor is godlike

[arctic talon]

Also the emperor clearly doesn’t care anymore

[opaque coyote]

Like Uriah in the Last Church literally mistaked him AS ONE

[crisp heath]

To most creatures

[arctic talon]

He’s doing miracles lol

The emperor is like

[crisp heath]

The emperor is godlike

[arctic talon]

Absolutely all in on the “god” idea now

Tbh

Or else he wouldn’t literally be performing miracles

[paper haven]

The fact that the current state religion is the same religion that Lorgar made and then was punished for, ensuring he went to chaos, thus enduring the religion would flourish is just. I love it

[old acorn]

I wanna see what would happen if the Emperor suddenly started giving a shit again

[arctic talon]

Lorgar won

So hard lol

[opaque coyote]

Although we have to wonder

Is it truly still the Emperor. Or was the person he once was gone. Lost in a tide of broken shards and worship

[arctic talon]

No, he’s all aboard the I’m a god train now

[crisp heath]

The emperor could wait for a hive fleet to attack a planet and then send the whole planet into the warp

[arctic talon]

Not like explicitly

[paper haven]

The Word Bearers were right

[arctic talon]

But he sure as shit is like

Helping with that perception

[paper haven]

They won

[opaque coyote]

Too bad they switched sides

So still an L

[arctic talon]

The book of lorgar and lecto divinatus both being 2 of the most common books

In existence

Is funny as shit

[paper haven]

It's like switching sides in the middle of a match into the losing team

[arctic talon]

The word bearers printing press

[crisp heath]

Word bearers kinda deserved better honestly

[arctic talon]

Must go crazy

[opaque coyote]

Burning down Monarchia is what the scholars would call

"A dick move"

[arctic talon]

Like

Do you think those are daemon engine printing presses

Lol

[paper haven]

Probably shouldn't have had Guilliman do it

[crisp heath]

Guilliman did feel bad about it I believe

[arctic talon]

Tbh if anyone else but guilliman or corax did it

[crisp heath]

But he was loyal

[arctic talon]

I’d assume all the civilians were dying

Lol

[crisp heath]

Salamanders?

[opaque coyote]

The reason why Emps choose Gulliman is because he wouldn't gain any pleasure out of it

[arctic talon]

They’re not compliant so maybe

[paper haven]

Well, they did evacuate the cities first

[opaque coyote]

They also would refuse

[old acorn]

Another thing I heard, due to the nature of the warp being the collection of all the souls and emotion of the inhabitants of the universe, it's terrible and violent due to the constant war and suffering happening within warhammer 40k. So if that's true, wouldn't chaos be defeated if all the factions just chilled tf out and stopped fighting? (As if that would EVER happen)

[arctic talon]

Chaos is self sustaining now

It’s long past the point

[crisp heath]

Whether Vulcans love for the people or his loyalist to the emperor is stronger

Would be a fun story

[paper haven]

Too late for that, we're in a feedback loop now

[storm jungle]

Its akin to asking if humanity ever stopped killing each other IRL, its basically an impossibility and the chaos gods would just feed off some other kind of emotion.

[tough haven]

It’s reached the point of no return, it’s a feedback loop

[storm jungle]

Its essentially impossible for most sentient beings to not wage war over something.

or cause strife

[arctic talon]

The chaos gods would start feeding off each others actions

Lol

[crisp heath]

Vulcan creating a Hersey to stop his fathers brutal regime

[opaque coyote]

It is thought made literal.

Every thought you make literally fuels it

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Like

You can’t stop it now

The sea of souls is fucked forever

[opaque coyote]

That temptation to kill your boss after he cut your pay?

[crisp heath]

Galaxy ripped in half

[opaque coyote]

Fuels the warp

[arctic talon]

The warp is the screwed up result

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-we-are-in-the-endgame-now-just-saying-gif-24286272

[crisp heath]

Pyskers now reign supreme

[paper haven]

Yeah, even things you don't act on fuel the warp

It's so joever

[arctic talon]

Mfw you think about just laying in bed forever

[storm jungle]

the Emperor is more similiar to Joe than you might thing

[crisp heath]

Weeeel

[opaque coyote]

Also Slaanesh being born basically retroactively fucked up the sea of souls forever

There is no repairing it

[crisp heath]

The necron anti warp field

[storm jungle]

It was always fucked

they just got another playmate

[old acorn]

I'm extremely interested in how the story of 40k could end

[opaque coyote]

In fact, the main plan of the Emperor was literally just fucking off

[arctic talon]

It was fucked by the war in heaven

[arctic talon]

Explicitly the imperium dies

[storm jungle]

it never will

^

[arctic talon]

Whenever it happens

Visions of the future far enough forward always show Terra falling

[opaque coyote]

The last time they tried to end it anyways

It uh

Didn't do so well

[old acorn]

Well yeah, wasn't the whole thing something along the lines of "Either the Imperium dies, or humanity does"?

[storm jungle]

the Imperium's fate is to essentially be split up into warlord states, empires and kingdoms across space.

humanity is never gonna die

[celest dome]

If it does end
It'll end as shittily as possible

[storm jungle]

we need miniatures to sell

[opaque coyote]

cough The End Times cough

[storm jungle]

GW will find loopholes

[paper haven]

The whole setting is that it's a slow, inevitable decline

[arctic talon]

End times reference

[storm jungle]

basically no faction is ever gonna get wiped out

[celest dome]

[storm jungle]

the plot and writers will find ways for them to be stuck around

the setting will just change accordingly with it

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I would like that

It would allow for more variety

[storm jungle]

You dont need to, its basically what it is.

because again remember

the lore does not matter

this is a tabletop game first

[arctic talon]

Miniature company first

[opaque coyote]

Yeah fair the Imperium is stuck together with glue lore wise

[storm jungle]

and when the setting gets nuked where are you gonna give GW money?

[arctic talon]

Tabletop game second

Lore third

Lol

[storm jungle]

^

the Imperium is just gonna be shattered

and that will be that

[crisp heath]

The tau win 40k

[storm jungle]

it will prob be more interesting

[arctic talon]

Wait wrong image

[storm jungle]

but this is like at least 20 or so years off

[crisp heath]

They make the sun nuker the necrons made

[opaque coyote]

I do wish they would give more variety to the Sisters of Battle.

[crisp heath]

And they blow up the galaxy by accident

[scenic bolt]

it's funny with all the sales they do in licensing GW still sees it chiefly as advertising for their miniature sales

[opaque coyote]

Like I am pretty sure the only Imperium faction that has any varied designs

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

like people forget

[opaque coyote]

Is probably the Guard

[storm jungle]

every 40k videogame is to brainwash you to buy minis

[arctic talon]

I mean when minatures stop making up over 80% of their income lol

[opaque coyote]

And

[storm jungle]

same with books

[opaque coyote]

...maybe Chaos?

[arctic talon]

GW will change their mind

[opaque coyote]

Chaos and the Guard

[celest dome]

Right image for the Imperial medical system

[opaque coyote]

Those are basically the only two factions in the Imperium that actually have more than just color scheme variance

[crisp heath]

Does hasbro have anything to do with GW, or is that dnd?

[scenic bolt]

I dont blame them, GW has an actual monopoly in tabletop miniatures, it's fully around 90% of the market in revenue

[arctic talon]

Dnd

[crisp heath]

Ah

[arctic talon]

GW would rather kill itself

Then be owned by a non British company

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also they removed Half Orks

[arctic talon]

Not really

Soeta

Kinda

[opaque coyote]

DnD is not better in any way

[crisp heath]

They removed all half races kinda

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

You can still play them

[arctic talon]

You can just mash any 2 together now

[dusk patrol]

Good

[old acorn]

I have beef with the 40k fans for bitching about the Tau being good guys. I like good guys dammit

[arctic talon]

No more explicit half race option

[opaque coyote]

Yeah again

Immensely re(gard)ed.

That is the only time I will even get close to using that word

[crystal forum]

they arent good guys

[arctic talon]

The imperialist empire that commits cultural genocide is good yes

[dusk patrol]

They’re not

So

[storm jungle]

Tau are not good guys by any means but they are one of the lesser evils in the setting, they are just authoritarian china

[crystal forum]

stop praising the tau damn