40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

bruh

whiteshields arent children

[arctic talon]

you thought I was joking?

They literally are

whiteshields include children

[fallen plaza]

Epic

[crystal forum]

they're young but not kids

[fallen plaza]

We need them in 30k

[spring cairn]

mmh cool but i want a mini of a child soldier too

[arctic talon]

There are literally kids among whiteshields

[spring cairn]

if there's no mini, no balls gw

no balls

[fallen plaza]

I want child soldiers in milltia dying in droves to a single sicaran punisher

[arctic talon]

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."

[arctic talon]

there's no mini

[crystal forum]

there's that girl from the shitty caida book

[arctic talon]

they're an "upgrade" for conscripts lol

[crystal forum]

she got her own spin off

the model is called the last whiteshield

[arctic talon]

She's still a whiteshield at that time yes

yeah but she's an adult

or like 17

I forgor

[crystal forum]

i think it's modelled after her in the cadian book

[arctic talon]

she isn't one of the literal child white shields

[crystal forum]

god that book sucks

and she sucks in it

i hate her

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-point-you-hey-listen-here-gif-21639329

[arctic talon]

Eavy metal cannot paint faces

more at 7

[crystal forum]

ninka lesk

something like that

why do i remember the name

[fallen plaza]

Nerd

[arctic talon]

here's her art

[fallen plaza]

Why would you remember such a silly thing

[crystal forum]

she literally just runs around doing nothing the whole book

then finds a plane

and leaves cadia

[arctic talon]

like

whiteshields are genuinely some fucked up lore

and GW has just kept them around lol

They said the quiet part out loud

[crystal forum]

in the second cadia book they actually fucking kill the first soldier character we follow and i love it so much lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

because Rath is based

[fallen plaza]

Where the marine gyatt sticker when you need it

[spring cairn]

far away hopefully

[fallen plaza]

There it is

[winter vessel]

There's gotta be at least one homebrew chapter who's geneseed has this kind of genetic mutation

[fallen plaza]

There called the ashen gyatts and there leader is captain tightass

[arctic talon]

Horrid

[spring cairn]

rancid even

[arctic talon]

I sentence you to building 900 points of the new tech thralls

[fallen plaza]

Thanks a lot GW

[arctic talon]

Do you think some of the old world minis are so old

You can use their mould lines as mould line removers

[fallen plaza]

The metal ones maybe

The resin ones will melt from the friction

If we are talking finecast old

[wraith quartz]

Hey

[fallen plaza]

Hey apple

[wraith quartz]

No

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-look-tak-a-look-newspaper-reading-gif-5986427

[wraith quartz]

clears throat
Right, no new topics yet . Tho I'm running a refinement process on the previously explored topics.

[fallen plaza]

clears throat

Ok

[crystal forum]

imagine tech thralls in imperialis

me running 30k valhallans as tech thrall proxies

[fallen plaza]

I dont hate that actually

[crystal forum]

we shall overwhelm them with superior numbers and a lot of faith

[fallen plaza]

Gotta make way for the vostroyans somehow

[wraith quartz]

We talked about Cult Mechanicus a while ago... And throughout the months I caught glimpses of discussion about the cult, so I want to throw my hat in, and ask a few questions myself.

[arctic talon]

Do not insult vallhallans by comparing them with the garbage that is tech thralls smh

Vallhallans can shoot better and hit stuff better

[fallen plaza]

He didnt realize that and im all for it lmao

[crystal forum]

they're both cannon fodder

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

i see it as the same

[arctic talon]

But vallhallans are higher quality cannon fodder

[crystal forum]

slightly

[arctic talon]

The only upside thralls have is the Archmagos prime can get some mostly dead dude to keep going

Lol

[fallen plaza]

Let them die

[arctic talon]

Vallhallans can do stuff like

Independent thinking

And tactics

[fallen plaza]

That way the vostroyans can do the work

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-crash-test-truck-pole-bollard-gif-16834492777045315087

Penitent asking a question

[arctic talon]

💀

[fallen plaza]

clears throat

Real and true

[crystal forum]

valhallans only downside is their name

i am true and honest

norse mythology can suck my

[fallen plaza]

Nothing

Cause you got no BALLS

[crystal forum]

seriously though what is it with fantasy settings and norse stuff

is it because roman era?

[fallen plaza]

Because bare chested men

[arctic talon]

It’s cool

[crystal forum]

im not saying it isn't cool

but why specifically so much norse

[arctic talon]

I’d also like to thank Riot for not using exclusively Norse mythology for their snowy region

[celest dome]

Slave Mythos is under utilised tbh

[crystal forum]

you know what

it's probably just 80's pop culture

[arctic talon]

I think people are uncomfortable using it

For some obvious reasons

[celest dome]

I think it's mostly that people don't really know of it

[arctic talon]

Maybe

[crystal forum]

slav mythos is a bit more modern than norse i believe

[celest dome]

Not sure why they would be uncomfortable tbh

[crystal forum]

it was less cohesive

and honestly it's probably because norse was roman period

and brits LOVE romans

and 80's pop culture had norse mythology reduced to bare chested men with axes and horned helmets

who somehow defeated the great and mighty roman army

[fallen plaza]

I mean yeah

We know

[arctic talon]

giant lightning bear is my favorite God in league of legends

[crystal forum]

because fantasy inspiration is pop culture history

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

and 40k is just fantasy

there i explained it

[arctic talon]

I think this was known

[fallen plaza]

Know i get it

[crystal forum]

you didnt explain it

[spring cairn]

Can't believe they ripped off Ursun smh

[celest dome]

Wait what is Romans period ? Like Roman empire ?

[arctic talon]

Ursun is actually a good person

[fallen plaza]

You want people to get inspiration from stuff beyond pop culture

[crystal forum]

you think pop culture knows the difference?

[arctic talon]

Volibear is genuinely an asshole lol

[crystal forum]

just vague rome

[arctic talon]

who thinks peopel are "soft"

for having things like

towns

and hearths

[celest dome]

But Norse isn't Roman period

[arctic talon]

and boats

[spring cairn]

Beastman mindset

[arctic talon]

he smashes a fucking dam and floods half the town after saving the town because he thinks they're weak and soft

LOL

[crystal forum]

my whole point is it's just fucking stupid

[arctic talon]

and he tells them to become stronger

[storm jungle]

Go ahead

[crystal forum]

like somehow half of japan was ninjas according to 80's pop culture

[wraith quartz]

Ok

[fallen plaza]

The Japanese didnt help with that too

[arctic talon]

Nippon

[celest dome]

And the other half was Samurai

[arctic talon]

Do not ask GW what they wrote for Nippon's lore in WHFB

LOL

[fallen plaza]

Meanwhile araby

[spring cairn]

The Toyota clan incident

[arctic talon]

Araby and Nippon are so fucking bad lol

[storm jungle]

"the evil sorceror lord jaffar"

[fallen plaza]

Araby is perfedt

[arctic talon]

Araby at least got rewritten

to be

slightly less you know

[winter vessel]

jaffart

[fallen plaza]

I see no problem with it

[arctic talon]

nippon still has the Mighty Toyota clan

lol

[crystal forum]

does he come from affar

[spring cairn]

Toyota clan number 1 peak writing

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Did Araby get the rewrite after Kislev did its first ?

[arctic talon]

they can

they just shouldn't write shit like this lol

[storm jungle]

not on my watch

[arctic talon]

shut up

[storm jungle]

no u

[arctic talon]

smh

[wraith quartz]

The first section of the cult mechanicus; is to properly understand their religion. During the Age of Strife. How do they come into contact with the Omnissaiha

[arctic talon]

League of Legends has good lore

[celest dome]

Nobody should write lore, bunch of nerds

[fallen plaza]

wath

[crystal forum]

tallarn desert raiders being a perfect excuse to mix in arabian musketeers with their awesome jezails but no

[arctic talon]

They didn't the Omnissiah wasn't met according to the Cult Mechanicus until The Great Crusade

[storm jungle]

They basically formed while being isolated on Mars

[arctic talon]

and then they spread

[spring cairn]

i should be the only person in the world allowed to write lore for anything imo

[arctic talon]

during the age of strife

[winter vessel]

the starfish returns from the rock with a question

[storm jungle]

religion of the cult mechanicus came to form during that period ye

[arctic talon]

The Cult mechanicus like

[storm jungle]

before then it was like

"hey tom, fix this fucking generator"

[arctic talon]

had the Omnissiah as a Jesus figure

that would one day come to visit

[wraith quartz]

Oh, interesting

[arctic talon]

Riot managed to make their Mishmash Southeast Asia + East Asia region not racist or violently stupid, GW can do the same I'm sure

[celest dome]

Depend on who you ask.
Biggest answers are the Emperor (official) or the Void Dragon
Most have not met them

[spring cairn]

they didn't make them in the 80's tbh

[arctic talon]

True!

but Cathay's writing back then was like not terrible

[wraith quartz]

So what's the rank structure in terms of worship. At the top of the top, is there a Tech Pope?

[crystal forum]

good thing we evolved past the 80's and fantasy isn't still the same cultural stereotypes

oh wait

[storm jungle]

Fabricator-General is the big shot

[arctic talon]

Fabricator-General of Mars is on top

[spring cairn]

I mean today's cathay is completely fine and cool

[arctic talon]

below him are the Fabricator generals of other forgeworlds

[spring cairn]

so it evolved

[arctic talon]

and then below them are Archmagos's

of various ranks

[storm jungle]

the actual hierarchy of the adeptus mechanicus is uhhh

[arctic talon]

Complex

[storm jungle]

extremely in-depth and complicated

LOL

[arctic talon]

my favorite

lol

[wraith quartz]

[crystal forum]

of course you have a graph

[arctic talon]

the mechanicus is a political clusterfuck

[storm jungle]

i love it

[arctic talon]

its so fun

[celest dome]

I do have my grievances with Cathay

[arctic talon]

And then the fucking structure changes during wartime/war

lol

[crystal forum]

the funniest part is somebody attempted to piece together this shit

[spring cairn]

They're underdeveloped right now but with time it'll get better

[fallen plaza]

Outer circle did a good video on space marine legion logistics, its actually pretty good

[celest dome]

Bot most don't come from 'Not China' and more so about the Warhammer specific parts

[wraith quartz]

Ok, so if you're not from Mars.... How do you join Cult Mechanicus, if possible??

[arctic talon]

You're born into it, you get scouted out

thats it

besides there's other forgeworlds beyond Mars

[storm jungle]

My friend did this over the course of 2 years from every single sourcebook and novel at the time, its largely extremely accurate with only slightly outdated bits

[celest dome]

Nah, they've developed certain parts in ways that I very much dislike

[spring cairn]

like what

[arctic talon]

the only innacurate part is the lack of Skitarii Marshal lol

[spring cairn]

seesm fine to me

[arctic talon]

which

whatever

[storm jungle]

YEP

this was before that

[arctic talon]

they just go between Skitarii Alpha Primus

[fallen plaza]

Smh

[arctic talon]

and the actual tech priest

[storm jungle]

i dont blame him for not updating it

[arctic talon]

lol

[fallen plaza]

Its outdated

[storm jungle]

since like

uh

gestures

lol

[crystal forum]

im honestly surprised somebody can even piece this stuff together as if writers follow any guideline

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus like

rank structure

is very indepth

and well written lol

[storm jungle]

The hierarchy does exist, its more that authors cant ever show it for jack shit.

[arctic talon]

its like the one part thats super consistent

[storm jungle]

its why all you get is Magos Magos Magos Magos

[arctic talon]

Archmagos

Magos

[storm jungle]

^

literally just these two ranks

[arctic talon]

rarely you get something that isn't that

lol

[crystal forum]

so there's actually guidelines for 40k authors??

[storm jungle]

and nothing else

[celest dome]

Cathayan Magic system/theory is just garbage association they did instead of revamping it through the lore to make it match

[arctic talon]

there's the dude in the Cawl book

lol

I forgot which one he is

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah, GW said it themselves

[arctic talon]

but he's like

[storm jungle]

every single title on that graph is from an actual canon material

[crystal forum]

you're telling me there's a room somewhere with like graphs and shit showing the forbidden imperial structure

[spring cairn]

I mean they have an actual god at the helm of their faction

[storm jungle]

Xi....

[spring cairn]

no

[arctic talon]

The Cawl Book has like actual diverse ranks 💀

along with

magos magos magos

[celest dome]

Magic still come from Chaos mate

[storm jungle]

GOD

[arctic talon]

Its so funny lol

[storm jungle]

EVERY TIME I SEE "MAGOS" I GET PTSD

[arctic talon]

Haley actually went indepth on ranking

while having

[crystal forum]

genuinely mind shattering to me that somebody at GW keeps track of lore

[storm jungle]

literally do any other rank you uncreative cunts

[arctic talon]

a bunch of fucking Magi

around

LOL

Its so funny

it at least makes sense

[spring cairn]

comes form the realm where chaos resides

[arctic talon]

there's 1 trillion fucking Magi

at that meeting

[wraith quartz]

Now, looking into the beliefs of Cult Mechanicus. They worship the Omnissaiha and every machinery that he would be "embedded" in. What is the exact classification of a "machine spirit"? Is it by just mechanical components, analog, and/or electrical components?

[winter vessel]

Magos: The Gathering

[celest dome]

Come from the Chaos gate

[arctic talon]

They worship a holy trinity of the Machine God, Omnissiah and motive Force

[storm jungle]

Machine spirits are essentially just anything

artillery, lights, generators, doors, etc

[arctic talon]

machine spirits are yeah

everything has a machine spirit

[spring cairn]

that's just the name of the gates it doesn't come from chaos iself

[storm jungle]

anything with some large enough mechanical compartment

[arctic talon]

according to the religon

like a basic light system has a machine spirit

its just small

and easy to appease

the Ordinatus has a machine spirit that thirsts for violence and blood

[crystal forum]

fun reminder that you have more chances of dying in the mars catacombs than most death worlds

[arctic talon]

ect.

[celest dome]

The truth of magic is that it all come from Chaos, even divine one, even the Kislevite one

[storm jungle]

read "catacombs" as "car bombs"

[arctic talon]

Literally an under 1% survival rate in canon

[fallen plaza]

Thats where mr land found his stc!

[arctic talon]

I'm sure there's carbombs down there

[crystal forum]

and that's in the solar system

[arctic talon]

Land literally vanished going down a second time lol

[crystal forum]

literally next to terra

[storm jungle]

"next"

do you know

how far Mars is

lmao

[fallen plaza]

Anyone remember g1 transformers the nation of carbombia?

[crystal forum]

i can see it so it can't be that far

[storm jungle]

YOU CANT SEE IT

AAA-

[spring cairn]

yes it comes from the REALM of chaos but it's not chaos alligned or anything like that

[arctic talon]

Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya

[storm jungle]

A voice actor left the cast over that naming

lmfao

[arctic talon]

💀

god

LOL

[storm jungle]

10,000 CAMELS

GOD

[fallen plaza]

Its brilliant

[crystal forum]

was this made in the 50's

[storm jungle]

a bit later

lol

[wraith quartz]

So this would have a machine spirit?

[arctic talon]

yes

[spring cairn]

now that's pygmie tier

[storm jungle]

any functional machine has a spirit

[arctic talon]

your laptop has a machine spirit

[wraith quartz]

And this one?

[arctic talon]

yes

[winter vessel]

a Keurig Coffee machine

[storm jungle]

yes

all vehicles

[wraith quartz]

This would count too?

[storm jungle]

Any

[arctic talon]

this shit has a machine spirit according to Mechanicus religous doctrine

[storm jungle]

machinery

[crystal forum]

keep in mind that souls exist in 40k and that skews a lot how programs work since they sorta have their own tiny souls

so cars have souls which are machine spirits

[winter vessel]

Something I'd see straight out of the Metro videogames

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/209843216227368962/1276602073839960145/IMG_3981.jpg?ex=66ca1fd4&is=66c8ce54&hm=79d3ed70c269b53559b1c5009b2012f83dab451a6b70d3261f15e6e04c6a2ed5&=&format=webp&width=662&height=662

[crystal forum]

so even though the car isn't alive, it has a soul which yes is weird

[arctic talon]

this thing mas a machine spirit as well

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

Machine spirits also range from not actually a thing

[crystal forum]

if the car was alive it would be termed silica animus

[arctic talon]

to being very real

[fallen plaza]

Holy shit soy marines

[crystal forum]

or AI

[arctic talon]

in the case of like

a fucking Titan

[crystal forum]

and mechanicus would kill it

[arctic talon]

and more advanced vehicles

[crystal forum]

ships have lots of machine spirits

[arctic talon]

the more complex something gets the more "alive" it seems

[storm jungle]

we also dont know what a machine spirit is

since it has 3 answers

and is left in the air for writer purposes

[arctic talon]

^

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

Its left intentionally obfuscated

like the limits of psyker stuff

[crystal forum]

machine spirits can also be corrupted

by chaos

like souls

[storm jungle]

Yeah its either

• Actual spirit
• Leftover AI
• Effects of the Void Dragon beneath Mars

[arctic talon]

Also sometimes its all of the above

lol

[storm jungle]

yep lol

literally interchangable

[crystal forum]

sometimes it feels like it's just a guy talking to a toaster

[arctic talon]

also the Dragon of Mars is fucking weird

it might not even be the void dragon anymore

as of the necron lore rewrite

💀

its just cretura

[crystal forum]

large enemy dragon

[wraith quartz]

So what divides a machine having a machine spirit to "volunteer laborer" (servitors)?

[storm jungle]

a servitor is alive

[spring cairn]

It's just an actual honest to god dragon

[crystal forum]

servitors have brains

servitors are partially human

[celest dome]

Like magic in fantasy has 8 winds, which can be mixed if you "know" how to do it

• Aqshy/Fire->Fire
• Chamon/Metal->Metal
• Azyr/Celestial-Sky->Stone
• Gurr/Beast->Wood
• Ulgu/Shadow->Darkness
• Shyish/Death->Spirit
• Hysh/Light->Light
• Ghyran/Life->Water
  Azyr should have been Water, as it centre also on things like the rains, blizzards and such
  Gurr should have been spirits, as it's shamaning
  Ghyran should have been Wood, as it's much more about the plants than water
  Hysh could be light yes, but also could have taken stone (you know, if you read the lore of it)
  Ulgu shoudln't be darkness, as it's much more about light manipulation than creating darkness
  Shyish should be Darkness cause they have spells about it

[crystal forum]

though most are vat grown

or criminals

[storm jungle]

Nah

thats copium lore

most servitors are lobotimized people

[crystal forum]

it's official

[storm jungle]

its not "most"

[crystal forum]

some

[storm jungle]

its just what people say to excuse their existence

[celest dome]

Criminals in the Imperium can be bloody innocent

[storm jungle]

which is pretty fucked

lmao

[arctic talon]

servitors are a mix of vat grown and criminals

explictly

[storm jungle]

also this yeah

[crystal forum]

nah i think it's just a way to justify the shere amount of servitors

[storm jungle]

a "crime" can just be you stealing a bread to not starve

[arctic talon]

Its literally noted

that prisoners are cheaper

[crystal forum]

but yeah imperium fucked up etc

[storm jungle]

Why would you need to justify it, humans are countless

[arctic talon]

then vat grown

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-burn-watching-apathy-karl-urban-gif-20285124

criminal discourse

just starve and shut up

[arctic talon]

Like Prisoners are much cheaper

lol

[fallen plaza]

God i love that movie

[arctic talon]

the upside to vat grown

is they're more consistent

and you can pre lobotomize them

[fallen plaza]

Isnt caffeine outlawed in judge dredd lmao

[crystal forum]

whatever doesn't matter i know the overall theme of servitors is "fucked up"

[arctic talon]

or they come out pre lobotomized lol

[wraith quartz]

So are servitors used in more complex systems? Like the medicay station or thay archivum place?

[storm jungle]

shut up gayboy

[crystal forum]

ok

[storm jungle]

they are used everywhere

doors

cleaning

driving

[arctic talon]

Cogitators and Servitors are used everywhere

[storm jungle]

shooting

etc

[fallen plaza]

Smh stand up for youself

[arctic talon]

Servitors are useful for like

more advanced stuff

Cogitators are like

computer stuff

[crystal forum]

i'm a switch

[arctic talon]

guh

[storm jungle]

any job you see someone you do on the street a servitor is probably assigned to do it in 40k, down to cleaning a toilet lol

[arctic talon]

this includes police brutality

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[storm jungle]

We love lobotimized labor

[winter vessel]

or opening a door

[fallen plaza]

Police brutality coming up!

[arctic talon]

servitors can be used by enforcers as added muscle

[crystal forum]

that's arbites sector buckarino

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cloaker-gif-3780465210148893928

[crystal forum]

im reading the eisenhorn book

[celest dome]

Do Cogitator have bio stuff in it ?

[storm jungle]

Most dont

more advanced ones sometimes do

[crystal forum]

and i shit you not an arbites says MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN when raiding a house

[arctic talon]

They usually don't, some have some brain tissue

[crystal forum]

like an actual cop

[spring cairn]

now that I think about it, if there's people starving in a hive, just turns them into servitors, save them from dying in shame and grant them eternal service, problem solved

[arctic talon]

free range pre servitors

[wraith quartz]

So why do the priests turn themselves into cyborgs??

[crystal forum]

arbites depicted as space police is so fucking awesome

[arctic talon]

Religous doctrine

[storm jungle]

they come closer to the machine god

[arctic talon]

Arbites are space feds

[crystal forum]

because flesh weak

[spring cairn]

so it's like, free infinite servitors glitch I love the starving !!!

[fallen plaza]

The more flesh you have the smaller the balls

[arctic talon]

Federales

[fallen plaza]

Thats why

[arctic talon]

tbf

[crystal forum]

yes and seeing them doing cop stuff... in 40k... is so fucking weird and funny

[arctic talon]

replacing yourself with synth flesh

is also allowed

just

replace your old weak body

with better flesh and steel

[crystal forum]

i need to get into dredd one day

the movie is so good

i hope the comics are as good

[spring cairn]

it's an interesting universe

[fallen plaza]

I dunno how to keep up with the dredd slop

[crystal forum]

is it slop?

[storm jungle]

you keep up with 30k slop

[crystal forum]

fuck

[storm jungle]

its no different

[storm jungle]

Dredd is one of the most popular characters in media

so yeah

[spring cairn]

might be better slop tbh

[storm jungle]

it eventually turns to slop like most things

[crystal forum]

i thought it was political satire

[storm jungle]

i mean it is

[arctic talon]

It is

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

Along with being slop

It can be both

[fallen plaza]

They had a crossover with xenomorphs

[storm jungle]

40k literally stole the entire concept of Arbiters from it

[crystal forum]

without the satire

[storm jungle]

no its still satire

[arctic talon]

“Nothing will bring me back to life faster then a big bag of Disney cash mate”

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1266487930537508955/image.png?ex=66c9958c&is=66c8440c&hm=6add70a9ac8c3fc783a5ddf57b258cac48194e6dd9902a3d3713c0500c32ec67&

[crystal forum]

doesnt the dredd universe literally have its own trump

[fallen plaza]

The creator of dredd is a weirdo though

[arctic talon]

Deadpool and Wolverine mocking itself is literally one of the best parts of the movie

[spring cairn]

just look at the vibe of arbites and dredd,

[arctic talon]

It’s still slop

But it’s like self aware slop

[spring cairn]

they both have those helmets

[fallen plaza]

He is like, some weird objectivist dude

[crystal forum]

yeah that part is obvious

[arctic talon]

Also arbites were originally like

[storm jungle]

yeah but Dredd came first

[crystal forum]

the shoulder pad and helmet

[spring cairn]

to make their frown visible

[storm jungle]

Arbites are literally entirely Dredd

[arctic talon]

Dredd minis

Lol

[storm jungle]

theres virtually no difference

[crystal forum]

yeah

i mean they look more medieval

because 40k

[spring cairn]

you can paint an arbites in the dredd color scheme and no one will notice it's not the Judge

[crystal forum]

and they REALLY like shotguns

[fallen plaza]

Because police

[wraith quartz]

So do tech priests have religious holidays? (This one is a throwaway question)

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/77176186148499456/1221682373834444923/catdemolyst.gif

[arctic talon]

Sort of

[dusk patrol]

They’ve done some stuff to differentiate them more in recent years but

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s usually maintenance and such

[fallen plaza]

Has anyone ever read trans metropolitan?

I use to read that as a kid

[arctic talon]

Tech priest religious holidays are usually work related still

Fixing stuff

Maintaining equipment

Ect.

[fallen plaza]

Mechanicus gunpla holiday

[arctic talon]

Turn off the forges and stuff, fix it up

Then shove the menials back on the line after it’s over

[spring cairn]

it's getting there

[storm jungle]

they will always be dread parodies, cant get away from it

[fallen plaza]

From judge dredd to misters of battle

[storm jungle]

Im just glad they exist for people thinks police satire is old news.

that acorn cop was the most 40k shit in recent memory

[dusk patrol]

There’s always gonna be similarities but they’ve done some stuff to adjust their look in recent years

[storm jungle]

[fallen plaza]

Its never old

[storm jungle]

Innocent people need to get shot once in awhile for uh

"resisting arrest"

shouldnt have been homeless

[arctic talon]

Are the things on arbites like

Body cams

[arctic talon]

I’m still not sure lol

[dusk patrol]

They have cams yeah

[fallen plaza]

https://youtu.be/GDYJO-1IhN8?si=ODYzq1AsK6iz5GOT

[spring cairn]

Their body cams so they can record their actions and post them on medal on the noosphere

[crystal forum]

im so glad they got models in agents

[arctic talon]

Noosphere is for mechanicus only

[crystal forum]

they even got a whole riot control squad

[arctic talon]

Smh

[spring cairn]

bro idk

[dusk patrol]

Iirc it’s so they can see what the others are seeing and their handlers can too

[arctic talon]

It’s where they post slave beatings

[spring cairn]

the internet equivalent

[crystal forum]

40k liveleak

[arctic talon]

I’m sure some skitarii has like a compilation of beating slaves to death

[spring cairn]

what's the sci fi lingo bs

i assume the non mechanicus have one too

[arctic talon]

Depends on the world

[storm jungle]

noosphere?

[winter vessel]

"Hello Magos Nation, welcome to the stream"

[arctic talon]

I think literally every skitarii character GW has written is unhinged in some manner

Which is great

[crystal forum]

hell yeah

like guardsmen with an undeserved superiority complexe

[dusk patrol]

Noosphere this, noosphere that, you ever knew a girl?

[fallen plaza]

“Thanks for the plasteel donos”

[crystal forum]

"we're only marginally less expendable and more useful than humans and we'll tell you about it"

[winter vessel]

"shoutout to S3rV0_Sambones for the resub!"

[spring cairn]

Free servitor giveaway when we reach the subgoal

[dusk patrol]

“One sec guys this genestealer cultist is trying to stream snipe me.”

“Guys please stop Arbitesing the stream.”

[rocky gale]

Did Dilara always have a shield next to her name?

[winter vessel]

here's the worst part. The Admech streamer uses a Vtuber rig

[fallen plaza]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

all the servitors in chat advertising for low quality plasteel 🙄

[rocky gale]

Huh

[dusk patrol]

“Am I gonna pay my servo mods? Hah, that’s a good joke hisinfinitemercy41”

[rocky gale]

First time noticing it

[crystal forum]

does admech use crypto

remember to buy my omnissiahcoins

[fallen plaza]

“Hey magos, thanks for the streams im your biggest fan, can you react to this squig cooking video?”

[winter vessel]

what would they base their content on? Those unboxing merchandise ones?

[crystal forum]

unboxing archeotech (gone wrong)

exploring the catacombs at 3am

[winter vessel]

Cooking in the kitchen content but its just Biologis shenanigans

[fallen plaza]

How about a magos with just bad political opinions

[crystal forum]

the admech twitter would be worse than the current one

[fallen plaza]

“Bro BRO! The scope was never meant for that fucking rifle! The fucking sacred texts only mention iron sights!”

[crystal forum]

"customer came in asking why i charge this much for lasgun repair"

[tough haven]

“Confirmation: In my hundreds of years of operation, I have encountered many subjects assigned the female gender? Interrogative: How does this relate to the noosphere?”

[wraith quartz]

Ok

[arctic talon]

There’s one in the new Cawl book

[dusk patrol]

“Command Phrase: Commence self-cessation of motor and life support functions.”

[arctic talon]

Bro is an inquisition simp

It’s so 💀

[wraith quartz]

Ok, so in their terms of taboo. Are hereteks and the dark Imperium the same or different?

[arctic talon]

He keeps on digging his hole deeper

[arctic talon]

Herereks and the dark mechanicum are different

The dark/true mechanicum refers to the traitors from the heresy

And their sucessors

[celest dome]

Hereteck are a broader term
You can be a Hereteck without being part of the Dark Mechanicum
Can also be Chaos Hereteck without being part of the other

Xenarites for example would be Hereteks

[wraith quartz]

Ooooh

[crystal forum]

so happy we getting tempestus lore

an excuse for me to learn about them

[wraith quartz]

Also lubricant cult, lol

So, how does a tech priest commune with a machine's "spirit"?

[crystal forum]

i cannot understate how important lubrication is in the world of mechanics

if they can worship silicon they can worship lubrication

[dusk patrol]

Your mom worships both

[crystal forum]

indeed

[wraith quartz]

[crystal forum]

hey eternal

[wraith quartz]

^

[crystal forum]

👊 got your nose

[fallen plaza]

They talk

[tough haven]

“Error: command not received, sender’s female biological parental unit is obstructing transmission. Hypothesis: excessive mass”

[wraith quartz]

Like in a "hey pretty mama lemme whisper in yo ear" or a "oh blessed machine spirit what do you need"?

[fallen plaza]

Both

[dusk patrol]

[crystal forum]

they use long, hard, throbbing make connectors

[tough haven]

They communicate either directly with their mind using a mind impulse unit, connect physically through a port, or chant binaric (binary)/lingua technis, or any combination of the three

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the MIU

[crystal forum]

to put in the needy awaiting soaking wet female connectors

[fallen plaza]

It gets bigger when i pull on it.

[dusk patrol]

Mind impulse unit

Basically a augmetic which lets them interface with machines

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[tough haven]

“Detecting increased peripheral blood volume in subject”

[wraith quartz]

So if a machine is malfunctioning or the "spirit" isn't cooperating. How do they fix it?

[tough haven]

“Hypothesis: circulatory malfunction?”

[fallen plaza]

They talk some more

[tough haven]

They entreat it with long complex rituals while they perform other long complex rituals to repair physical ailments

Simply replacing a gear requires a several hour long ritual

[arctic talon]

They were turning people into lubricant

[tough haven]

Maybe half an hour of necessity demands

[wraith quartz]

What if it's internally complex, or an electrical malfunction??

[arctic talon]

it'll take longer

rituals can last from like a few minutes

to a multi day long process

[tough haven]

They’d perform like the fuckin uhh “ritual of conduction” while praising the motive force

[arctic talon]

depending on what you're fixing

and what you're messing with

[wraith quartz]

Would it require the "glowy magic box"? For like data restoration

[tough haven]

Usually the tech priest Is the hardware used

[dusk patrol]

I mean technically people turn themselves into lubricant a lot just in small quantiti- hey where did you get that hammer?

[arctic talon]

LOL

[arctic talon]

it depends

™️

[tough haven]

Sometimes for unruly machine spirits just not cooperating they’ll use technological violence to assert their will

Censure codes and data lashes

[wraith quartz]

So a "percussive" maintenance.

[tough haven]

Usually though they treat the device and machine with reverence though

[arctic talon]

bad machine spirits get the rod

[tough haven]

No like a mental attack

[wraith quartz]

Ok

[tough haven]

They would never strike a holy machine usually

And only if the spirit has forgotten it’s masters

[wraith quartz]

Only lesser individuals would result to such tactics.

In terms of percussive maintenance

[crystal forum]

only if the machine becomes very uncooperative

[tough haven]

You’d probably be shot if an enginseer saw you beating a machine to make it work

[tough haven]

Or like violent

When it’s not supposed to be

[crystal forum]

the thing with admech is they don't do direct methods lol

[wraith quartz]

Ok

[crystal forum]

their whole shtick is they do way too many steps

[arctic talon]

They do redundant steps

because dogma and religion

fucks sake even cawl lol

[crystal forum]

so beating a machine for it to work is not their style

it's too simple lol

[arctic talon]

the rite of percussive maintenance is real

btw

lol

[tough haven]

There would be no point if the omnissiah is not honored

[crystal forum]

probably still involves like 20 steps to appease the machine spirit

[arctic talon]

No

there's one called the "technical knock"

and the other more uh

violent one

which has you pray

[crystal forum]

i stand corrected then

[arctic talon]

before doing it lol

[wraith quartz]

So what I read, about the cult. They have their own language. Is there an alphabet translation display to understand what they say? Also are the symbols on the glowy magic box their language?

[tough haven]

I love how most Mechanicus’ jobs are just to do things that don’t matter to machines that havent worked for millennia

[crystal forum]

bineric

is just binary

[arctic talon]

"With a honeyed whisper and ritual motion, you can awaken sleeping gun-spirits into furious action once more. You may unjam any gun as a Half Action. You must touch the gun in question to enact this rite. You may only perform this rite on one weapon per Round—any more would be disrespectful."

[tough haven]

As a vocal language

[arctic talon]

Binaric Cant

Is both a vocal/digital language

[arctic talon]

The glowy magic box is not their language

[crystal forum]

it's like how not eating pork was a way to prevent diseases back in the day. scripture can literally be common sense passed down through millenia

[arctic talon]

they're just generic imperial runes

[wraith quartz]

Ooooh

[arctic talon]

The Cant mechanicus has a written form

but its unclear wtf it looks like

Generally speaking it sounds odd

[wraith quartz]

Interesting

[arctic talon]

garbled human speech, strange bursts of audio and binary

all of that comes together to make it a "language"

[wraith quartz]

Well I'm still illiterate on that

[crystal forum]

disgusting binary

no hex

[arctic talon]

there's also hex

lol

[crystal forum]

because mechanicus is backwards

[arctic talon]

its a dif dialect

of Cant Mechanicus

lol

there's dialects for this shit

[crystal forum]

based dialect

[wraith quartz]

So what would be considered the most "HOLIEST" of relics to them?

[arctic talon]

an intact or partially intact STC

as in standard template constructor

not a standard template construct

[wraith quartz]

If I remember correctly their blueprints of the past?

[arctic talon]

No

a standard template constructor can make anything

[crystal forum]

intact STC like wolf said

[arctic talon]

you ask it to

[crystal forum]

if an intact STC even exists

[arctic talon]

using resources that are marked for avaiable to it

[crystal forum]

since we have no existing proof

[arctic talon]

its the literal holy grail of the mechanicus

its probably not real

[tough haven]

Isn’t it called like hexamathics or something?

[arctic talon]

but by god do Trillions die for it

[tough haven]

I vaguely remember from forges of mars

[arctic talon]

I think?

I'm not sure

[fallen plaza]

500 cigarettes

[crystal forum]

mechanicus assumes humanity had 1 single repository of knowledge and idk why the community takes their word for it

[arctic talon]

We know standard template constructors are a thing

and they can make nearly anything

there's just no known intact ones

[crystal forum]

like if an "intact" STC existed they prob would have found one by now

[tough haven]

The construct that they fight is so old, it wasn’t around when hex was invented so they speak it as for it fi not overhear

[arctic talon]

most likely

But that won't stop the mechanicus lol

again

[crystal forum]

most likely STC's were just all local shit imo

[arctic talon]

They are

[crystal forum]

since we know humanity wasn't very united

[arctic talon]

but they can still like

print shit out

The mechanicus only recovers fragments or the constructs of them

[crystal forum]

and wanna hear my headcannon wolf

[arctic talon]

never an intact constructor

lets hear it

Either way The Mechanicus are honestly delusional for thinking there might be a fully intact constructor

[crystal forum]

so rhinos and land raiders were supposedly available to most colonists back in the day

[arctic talon]

but its cool

[tough haven]

My favorite RT moment is the primitive adept you can find speaks to machines using a drum to speak primative binharic and it actually works

[crystal forum]

and the old lore for them states that they were made pretty early on in humanity's history

[tough haven]

Might be enough partially intact ones though to piece it together (they’ll never figure it out)

[crystal forum]

my theory is that since humanity was a lot more united during early dark age they could make most STC's have land raider and stuff in them

[arctic talon]

I c I c

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

but the more time went on the more it became fragmented

and different worlds made their own STC's

it's just a way to unite land raider tech being not that advanced with STC's

it's very early dark age tech which is cannonical

[tough haven]

STCs we’re tools to quickly adapt tools for the world being colonized

It’s not intended for long term use or habitation

[crystal forum]

it makes more sense to me that the more common imperial STC tech is from an early dark age

and the more esoteric shit comes from later when humanity was super divided and off doing weird experiments

[tough haven]

So cawl is correct in saying that the ancients didn’t just blindly follow STCs for their more advanced tech needs

[arctic talon]

them being used long term makes sense

for basic shit tbf

[tough haven]

Well yeah

[arctic talon]

Like ask the STC for a concrete formula

and it'll puke one out

[tough haven]

But not like to build a utopia

[arctic talon]

basic plastics, ect.

obviously

[tough haven]

Just to quickly conquer and establish footholds on colonization targets

[crystal forum]

i dont think of them as like some sort of GECK tool from fallout

[tough haven]

With available resources

[crystal forum]

actually no they were GECK's

[tough haven]

It’s like the fabricator from Subnautica

Uses data from the environment to come up with recipes for basic needs

[crystal forum]

but yeah the idea that some single repository of knowledge existed is just nonsensical

unless a whole world was giant computer

which would be cool ngl

[arctic talon]

yeah the mechanicus are deranged for thinking its a thing

but its funny

[crystal forum]

votaan STC's are probably more AI than STC

which can think of new stuff

same as that necromunda gang

[arctic talon]

Tbf

the Van Saar STC is explictly an Standard template constructor

thats incredibly fucked up

so it just spits out whatever the fuck it wants

[crystal forum]

arent ancestor cores as well?

just very slow

[arctic talon]

Ancestor Cores are unclear what they are but they do share a lot of elements with constructors

[crystal forum]

yeah like an AI just garbling its prompts

[arctic talon]

Van Saar STC output: 3 piles of scrap metal, 1000 las guns, and a random metal statue/j

[crystal forum]

1000 vortex grenades which require you to sing a love song to activate

[tough haven]

What’s your guy’s favorite lines in DT when a character goes down?

[crystal forum]

1 steve coin (pure liquid helium)

so is the new killteam planet the same one as the last one with the krieg vs orks

[arctic talon]

It’s the same as the notivitates vs pathfinders one

The ork vs krieg planet got eaten

[crystal forum]

lol

so it's not explained why everything around the hive with the massive cannon is annihilated right

and in the ork story he says it looks more like the structures were downed by concussive blasts instead of any dakka

They scramble through more ruined structures, most of which look to have been brought down by shock waves, or maybe even earthquakes, rather than any kind of dakka.

so doesn't this imply that the cannon destroys the surrounding habs whenever it fires?

that's pretty metal

[rose thorn]

I KNOW WHY I DONT LIKE THE VESPIDS

THEY ARE ORANGE

omg they would look amazing in blue or green or something

yellow

YELLOW

YESSS

[dusk patrol]

Then

[crystal forum]

yeah in the reveal video the guy says he'd paint his yellow lol

[dusk patrol]

Fucking paint them that way

[storm jungle]

this is their official art showcase

they can still look ugly lol

[dusk patrol]

Also @crystal forum

Was going through art station yesterday and found this

[dusk patrol]

Then go into photoshop and change the gradients smh

[storm jungle]

Gonna paint your Iron Hands yellow smh

[dusk patrol]

Jokes on you they’d still look baller

[crystal forum]

pintle bolter firing by itself

superior iron hand technology

[dusk patrol]

They do have a system where the marines are more plugged into their vehicles and more automated so one marine can drive a vehicle effectively

Also miiiiggghhhhhtttt have some autonomy to their vehicles and armor

It’s just the machine spirit don’t worry

[crystal forum]

btw do iron hands just not get many recruits or do they get a lot and so many die that barely make it into the ranks

[dusk patrol]

Stop trying to check under the hood

Basically how it’s explained is, it’s very lethal to be a Iron Hand early in your service

But as you live longer they tend to die much less

They lean very top heavy with ancient marines

[crystal forum]

is that because of experience or augments

[dusk patrol]

Both, but the augmetics play a big part

Scouts are straight up sent on missions most chapters would only use full marines for

Very sink or swim

And you’re still put into the crucible after becoming a full marine

But eventually your odds flip and you’re much less likely to die, they note that they often go full campaigns without any actual casualties

Or fatalities I guess

Just injuries which they can repair and replace

[crystal forum]

but they also dont fight fights they arent sure they can win right

[dusk patrol]

Oldest example who isn’t a dread being almost 1200 years old

[crystal forum]

holy shit

[dusk patrol]

They choose their battles carefully and typically won’t take risky fights where they might lose a lot for no gain

They basically weigh the costs and benefits

If it’s a world without much value they probably won’t, but they almost might ignore a Forgeworlds calls for aid if they deem it not worth the potential cost

Or if it’s too pivotal then they’ll run simulations on how many marines and what not they might lose and see if it’s worth it

Worth noting the clans don’t agreed always on what’s of value and what’s not so they won’t always agreed on deployments

They also actively discourage people asking them for aid so no one asks unless they really need it

They also have to weigh how undermanned they’ll leave Medusa

[crystal forum]

if only blood angels did that last one

[dusk patrol]

Blood Angels tbf had to deal with an insanely large Nid fleet

But they’ve lost almost their entire chapter for lamer reasons in the past

Which is how Dante became chapter master actually

He was Captain of Logistics and Supplies when they lost every single other captain and their chapter master on a space hulk, so he was promoted by default

And it’s worked out since then, but prior to being CM he wasn’t seen as exceptional, beyond achieving captain rank it didn’t seem likely he’d become CM

[crystal forum]

if i had a nickel every time an important 40k character was promoted to an important position because they were the only one left alive to fulfill it

[dusk patrol]

I do enjoy how largely he was unexceptional before becoming CM

[arctic talon]

The most exceptional thing he did was not drinking blood lol

Which made him get called a weirdo

[crystal forum]

lol custodes kill team only has 2 units in it

18 wounds each

jesus fucking christ

[dusk patrol]

I thought it was 3

[arctic talon]

It’s 4 dudes

Iirc

[crystal forum]

sounds like pain to play

[arctic talon]

Since it’s 2 fireteams

[crystal forum]

just 3 guys

[arctic talon]

They’re odd

You can bulk up with sisters

[dusk patrol]

Bad for objective stuff

[arctic talon]

Absurdly lethal in melee

Tbh

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

For both custodes and sisters of silence

I think statistically custodes 1 melee fight kill any operative

Unless you roll absurdly hot

[dusk patrol]

Just wait until we get the knight Killteam

[arctic talon]

Can’t do any objectives

Can only kill

[crystal forum]

also i can use my heavy intercessors in kill team

which is nice

i doubt they're good but still

[arctic talon]

They’re not great

I’d just proxy them as the intercession team personally

[crystal forum]

so you're supposed to like upgrade your killteam every time you win?

[dusk patrol]

It’s up to you

Some people like to add tallies and stuff

[arctic talon]

That’s for the narrative mode but you get stuff in it

[crystal forum]

i only need to find killteam people now

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but do all Blood Angels successors have Sanguinary Guard or other unique units ran by them?

[green loom]

Ye

[rose thorn]

I wanna try to convert a blood angel into a soul light grave lord

[dusk patrol]

Almost all I think

[rose thorn]

Rip off the wings, replace the shoulders and head and bam

And the axe head

[storm jungle]

it is a bit chonky but could work

🤔

[rose thorn]

There are chunky soulblgihts to be fair

Like the wolf

[storm jungle]

OH right lol

[rose thorn]

A buff as shit soulblight would be baller

I’ve been trying to find nice ideas for kitbashproxies for all the named soulblight characters (not counting the underworlds ones)

[nocturne crest]

Another odd question, but if you could each of the founding chapters their own unique unit, any ideas what you would pick?

[rose thorn]

Mine has a ‘custom’ unit lore wise, my chapter works for the Ordo Astra and the inquisitor’s body guards each are from a different planet that had to be exterminatused for being too dangerous

‘Oh yeha the core of this planet is a ancient monster, grab their best warrior and bomb it’

OH

I MISREAD FHAY SORRY

[nocturne crest]

Hey, that's okay!

[rose thorn]

Holy shit I might be dyslexic

[rose thorn]

HH shows all of the founding chapter’s unique units

Some more so then others

[nocturne crest]

I should have refined the question a bit more.

[rose thorn]

It’s good

[nocturne crest]

Basically, in 40k, what unit could you see each of the founding chapters having to make them unique to that chapter.

Giving the rest of the chapters their own unique units like Death Company or Wulfen.

[dusk patrol]

Helfathers or a proper Iron Father kit for IHs

[rose thorn]

I want Raven gaurd to get a shadow masters killteam or something

[dusk patrol]

That or a unique vehicle or dread model

[rose thorn]

I love Raven gaurd lore it’s so dog shit edgy

[dusk patrol]

Moritats for RG would be cool

[nocturne crest]

That Land Raider that can carry a dread would be cool for the Iron hands.

[rose thorn]

I want ultra marines to get like, sudo hq unit? Hard to explain, but something to explain but a unit of councilors that act similar to an HQ

‘Pick one of the following effects for units within 8 inches of this unit

tactical positioning: +1 to armor saves if unit didn’t move

Ect ect ect

White scars need an elite biker unit obviously

[nocturne crest]

Maybe something like a motorcycle chariot.

[rose thorn]

I love that but there is no way they can make that work in 40k

We need a fucking CAPTIAN ON BIKE. GW

GE

GW

[nocturne crest]

Two bikes pulling a dreadnaught on wheels along?

Just say the white scars found their own STC and were the first to try it.

[rose thorn]

Maybe like, a super 4 wheeler what ever it’s called

[dusk patrol]

White scars hate dreads

[dusk patrol]

[rose thorn]

Maybe, captain on bike and like, a bike unit of the company heroes

And a bike ancient

[nocturne crest]

Captain on a jet bike?

[dusk patrol]

DA already did that