40k-lore-chat

[paper haven]

What's that Eldar? Can't hear your complaining over the sound of a new chaos god being born.

[tough haven]

And other eldar can become evil

[sour hornet]

Okay, what about between the craftworld dudes and the exodites? Do they also fucking hate eachother, or is it a mutual peace.

[storm jungle]

Mutual peace

craftworlds also look after exodites

since exodites dont bother anyone

if they get attacked along with their Maidenworld a nearby craftworld of seperate eldar will always come to their rescue

[paper haven]

What.
About.
The C L O W N S

?

[storm jungle]

same deal

[sour hornet]

If I'm an eldar, but don't want to live on a craftworld, but also aren't space-elf dahmer, what do I do?

[shell mason]

What's that one female dark Eldar champion that asked if you bring me a worthy opponent I'll give you a great reward, then some dude got her a banana boy. And she rewarded him by saying well fighting me would be a great reward before fucking killing him

[storm jungle]

You become an outcast

OR

a corsair

[paper haven]

Comedy

[shell mason]

what was her name

[sour hornet]

Are there like space elf pirate roaming dudes?

[shell mason]

?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[shell mason]

Witchfinder please?

[storm jungle]

you literaly just go and have fun as a pirate

also kill people you dont like

[paper haven]

I mix up corsairs with dark Eldar a lot but they aren't the same, right?

[storm jungle]

Lelith Hesperax

[storm jungle]

Corsairs are a middle point between craftworld/dark eldar

mostly for the IRL player's sakes lol

[gray umbra]

Yrliet my beloved

[shell mason]

Thank you goat

[paper haven]

Pranked

[storm jungle]

they are essentially pirates of any kind you can imagine

some just raid, some raid and be sadistic about it

so... just IRL pirates tbh

[sour hornet]

you're making these guys are sound pretty rad I can't lie

[storm jungle]

If you read Eldar lore its pretty great

[paper haven]

Yo ho

[queen laurel]

Now that i think about it there's only like three species that have prominent pirates

Humans elder and ork

[shell mason]

Was bored as fuck watching majorkill talk about it

[queen laurel]

I don't hear much of necron pirates or Tau pirates

[storm jungle]

oh yeah also

if you meet a cool Inquisitor or Rogue Trader you can also join them as an eldar outcast if they arent a nazi about it

[rocky gale]

Tau Pirates be looting for the greater goodies

[tough haven]

But humanity be like “we could take this chance to kill a chaos god, but I’d rather have another chaos god than xenos running free”

[shell mason]

I see why some blooks don't like the Aussie but he ain't that bad

[storm jungle]

also absolutely gonna wank myself and post my corsair prince artwork

TLDR: Pirates of any species in any setting are badass

also observe the fox

[shell mason]

ew

[paper haven]

Yeah but that god hasn't been born yet.
Humanity still less of a problem for the galaxy

[spring cairn]

pg 13 artwork

[rocky gale]

Very demure

[tough haven]

Rogue trader is my favorite flavor of pirate, or maybe ork freebootas

[queen laurel]

Guy is fancy as hell

[sour hornet]

need

[tough haven]

I’m talking about slaneesh

[queen laurel]

Definitely the dilara vibe

[storm jungle]

Artist doesnt like gore

[crystal forum]

who will win?
-10000 year old space pirate with extremely advanced weaponry

-10000 conscripts with flashlights

[sour hornet]

respectfully ofc

[tough haven]

We had a chance to kill it

[spring cairn]

rolling my eyes rn

[storm jungle]

🤝

[sour hornet]

but pathological need

[spring cairn]

gore would've made it so much better

[tough haven]

And a space marine was like “nah fuck that”

[spring cairn]

would've gone from good to kino

[storm jungle]

@sour hornet Anyway consider this your starting point, from here just go and read the lexi/wikipedia lore on them as you see fit

[sour hornet]

Who is she?

[storm jungle]

Hot gladiatrix dark eldar character

just had a book come out about her but shes a VERY old character

[queen laurel]

I swear to you god do you just have the innate need to give every single character fancy ass coats because like i'm pretty sure one of your rogue traders that has an antimatter gun has a fancy cloak

[tough haven]

Did we talk about farseers? Cause it’s pretty core to why they do random shit

[gray umbra]

She is feet pix the character

[crystal forum]

onlyfancius the second

[storm jungle]

her uh

new model got nerfed

so no more thong

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

good get some armor on

it helps live longer

[crystal forum]

i love a woman who protects herself 😩

[storm jungle]

she doesnt need it

its alright

[sour hornet]

No?

[queen laurel]

is all she wants to do is find a worthy opponent?

[tough haven]

I can cover it so dilara can do other things lol

[spring cairn]

you never need armor until you do

[storm jungle]

Yeah ill be back i gotta eat dinner

[sour hornet]

Eldar psychic thing?

[tough haven]

So farseers are eldar following the path of the seer, to try to divine the future, farseers are the ones really good at it. They look into the warp and the different skeins of fate to see bad things coming and help their species avoid them, and figure out how to best move forward with losing the least amount of eldar lives

Unfortunately there’s a bit of a butterfly effect, so the eldar are known for being pretty wishy washy, like one moment they’ll be helping you fight a chaos threat and then the next they’ll slaughter the entire population of the city you live in so that further down the road they can recover two (2) eldar spirit stones

[sour hornet]

Okay, so I can see how that makes them a slight pariah. But does it actually end up working?

Or do they get screwed repeatedly because of random shit they couldn't see coming?

[tough haven]

Sometimes, fate is unpredictable and isn’t read easily

[crystal forum]

unless you're tzeentch

[tough haven]

Sometimes it works perfectly

Sometimes it is a disaster

[tough haven]

It makes it hard to ally with them

Also they’ll kill people who have a chance of causing harm to them in the future, even though that’s just one possible future

[crystal forum]

good excuse for why tau dont ally with them

[storm jungle]

Its also hard to feel sympathy when the people they do this are basically usually nazis.

[tough haven]

Oh for sure

But the imperials aren’t totally wrong to be like “I don’t trust the eldar”

[storm jungle]

though it deffo gets overused and sometimes done for no reason to actually good people because "random plot twist"

[tough haven]

Eldar would never ally with tau anyways

Too proud

[storm jungle]

They do once in awhile

but its always temporary

[tough haven]

They’ll be like “aw that’s cute, the bugs want to be friends”

[tough haven]

Ths annoys me

[storm jungle]

its teh same with any 40k trope

"lets go on this mcguffin hunt for a book plot"

everyone dies in the end

damn, im shocked

[sour hornet]

The Imperium making the Tau volcano stun-gun escalator comes to mind.

[queen laurel]

me when imperial character has common sense and is actually a good person

[tough haven]

The eldar change their mind a lot, and on a whim

[crystal forum]

i saw a meme this morning of education level of different species with mechanicus being high school level and necron being PHD

it's bad

i hate it

i need to find it again

[tough haven]

It’s my favorite mechanicus example, they can either be super logical or be like “fuck it, let’s throw em in a volcano”

[gray umbra]

"They started treating me like a human being. Must be up to something nefarious"

[tough haven]

Fr

[storm jungle]

Yeah its also no surprise kinda hard to read the future.

Its kind of similiar to that one parallel universe theory scientists IRL made where any single action down to whether you decide to stand up/sit down or grab/not grab some tool creates another possible universe

OR LIKE HOW

DR STRANGE

DID NOT JUST DECAPITATE THANOS WITH A PORTAL

FUCKING MORON

[gray umbra]

Mechanicus are tier 1 helpdesk guys who still operate off superstition

[storm jungle]

they also consider Microsoft Clippy as a abominable intelligence

[tough haven]

And god damn if I don’t find it funny

It’s a cool trope

I don’t see many theological technophiles

[queen laurel]

you know damn well they would have won without this guy

[tough haven]

It’s interesting as hell, and I enjoy playing around with it, but I’d hate them irl

[tough haven]

Hawkeye type ass

[storm jungle]

yeah its when they can literally kill you for disagreeing with them where it gets uh

problematic

[sour hornet]

The Imperium just kills you, 95% of the time.

[gray umbra]

They fight each other over differences in belief lol

[storm jungle]

Hahaha

[crystal forum]

i hate it, thanks

[storm jungle]

what a bunch of morons

glad we arent like that IRL

[tough haven]

I like the more moderate mechanicus

[gray umbra]

[tough haven]

Who are a more tolerant logical

[fallen plaza]

True

[crystal forum]

can we just take the time to appreciate that the person who made this doesn't know the difference between a PHD and a doctorate

[fallen plaza]

Im smater than you

[tough haven]

Also swap deldar and eldar

[sour hornet]

The dark eldar don't have farseers(?) so how did they avoid being wiped out by bullshit?

The webway?

[storm jungle]

that and superior tech

[queen laurel]

yeah because we're worse

[tough haven]

By using bullshit

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar get withered by being the way they are

[queen laurel]

[crystal forum]

also votaan being higher in education than tau when they literally consult a 100000 year old computer for their dtuff

[gray umbra]

Dark eldar are the ones who caused the apocalypse and still havent learned their lesson

[storm jungle]

^

psychics of any kind are outlawed in Commorragh where they reside as well, its like THE only rule everyone abides in the city

[tough haven]

Like literally paying a scientist to revive you and recover your soul, cause they can just do that

[crystal forum]

tau are one of the only races that actually understand its tech

[storm jungle]

yeah because they read manuals

also votann

[crystal forum]

because they created the manual

humanity just found the manual

[sour hornet]

From death?

[tough haven]

Yup

[sour hornet]

Like destiny style?

[tough haven]

Still not sure how they do that

[queen laurel]

and they have become so psychically sensitive Slannesh that warp induced teleportation is one of the greatest ways to torture them

[tough haven]

They grow a new body and recover your soul somehow

[gray umbra]

Anything can be done with enough slave torture

[shadow plover]

I'm a software engineer with a bachelors degree and I very much relate to consulting ancient texts that make zero sense to make sense of someone else's code

[gray umbra]

Somethingsomethingpain

[tough haven]

So as long as you can pay the fleshcrafter, and they don’t betray you, you’re good

[tough haven]

This is why I relate to the Mechanicus

[crystal forum]

it's called string theory and it's currently in the process of being shit on by a large portion of the scientific community for not giving results for 30 years

[storm jungle]

thats GAY

[gray umbra]

The forbidden lands of stackoverflow

[sour hornet]

You relate to the volcano escalator dudes?

[queen laurel]

you do know his name right

[shadow plover]

quite so

and forgotten internal documents

[queen laurel]

it's in his blood

[tough haven]

Me going back and forth through the warp for no other reason but to fuck with marhazai

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus are more relatable in their "ancientness" approach to things, not their uhh "actions"

[fallen plaza]

[gray umbra]

Decrpyting comments written by some guy trying to just get his work done

[tough haven]

In the sense that tech makes no sense sometimes and can be temperamental and sometimes feel like it has its own personality

[sour hornet]

Okay fair.

[storm jungle]

like people call them making that one strider-bot they got run on a treadmill forever dumb, but IRL we got a literal ancient lightbulb we never turn off because we are afraid it will get damaged otherwise

[sour hornet]

I was getting worried for a sec.

[tough haven]

And yeah, they’re in my top 3 factions, what of it?

[queen laurel]

Consulting the ancient reddit STC for knowledge of a problem I have that happened to someone 5 billion years ago

[tough haven]

All the factions I like are awful

[storm jungle]

bro if you think the volcano thing is bad

[tough haven]

That’s what makes them fun

[storm jungle]

theres a lot worse stuff out there

[gray umbra]

I think all the factions are awful lol

[tough haven]

Orks, Mechanicus, and necrons

[storm jungle]

no clearly the humans are the best

[tough haven]

It’s the point

[storm jungle]

now excuse me as i choke on factory fumes

HUERGH

[tough haven]

Ooh, can I join you

[gray umbra]

True the imperium gets stuff done why cant we be like that

[queen laurel]

ORKS KILL AND EAT CHILDREN FOR FUN SO THEY'RE RIGHT

[fallen plaza]

Thats FR##KING GAY

[tough haven]

Smartest “40k isn’t Satire” fan

[tough haven]

At least the imperium shifted their hate outwards

[gray umbra]

I would totally be 1st company captain of my homebrew space marines that isnt like the 9000 other ones out there

[tough haven]

Mostly

Like little racism or sexism or homophobia

[gray umbra]

If only we lived in the 40k setting

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

thank god someone remembers this lol

[crystal forum]

they're super independent thinkers but they also fight exclusively for the imperium 😃

[queen laurel]

If I'm going to become one of my OC's I'm going to be going to my age of sigmar ones

[tough haven]

Worked to death in a factotum go

[sour hornet]

Anyone can be xenophobic. 🗣️🫵🤝

[fallen plaza]

Bug lovers are man lovers

[tough haven]

You probably won’t even get to be in the guard

[gray umbra]

They also have relics up the ass

[tough haven]

Are you being serious?

[sour hornet]

Necrons are the robot guys that are asleep, right.

[crystal forum]

it's lore accurate that they exclusively use dark age tech

[queen laurel]

yes

[gray umbra]

Some say they are descended from the lost 2nd legion

[queen laurel]

the robot boyz

[gray umbra]

Which is why theyre so unique and not like the other chapters

[tough haven]

I do appreciate the “I don’t care who you are! Does your index finger work? Good! Now get on the wall and shoot those fucking carnifexes!”

[tough haven]

Ooh ooh I love talking about my funny robot skeletons

[sour hornet]

Aren't the mechanicus also robots? Or are they like 0.16% flesh somewhere?

[storm jungle]

Most imperial fans assume the Imperium doesn't harbors these feelings humans literally had since the dawn of time.

At large of course they genuinely dont, on a personal/mob level however yeah no it still exists. Like how "no one would be homophobic in the Imperium" when that one warhammer crime book mentions how no one in the planet they are on would care about his brother liking men but if it was somewhere else he'd absolutely get lynched.

[sour hornet]

Hadron has some flesh, but Kayex seems 100% robot.

[crystal forum]

also the met every missing primarch at some point

and the emperor

[tough haven]

They have to keep they’re brain or it’s heresy

[storm jungle]

You need to have flesh to be considered admech, even if its just your brain etc.

You cannot be fully become a robot

thats heresy

[fallen plaza]

Word of the day: it depends. 😁

[tough haven]

If you do it’s abominable intelligence (AI)

[storm jungle]

Kayex's way of talking is mostly from his personality

Hadron is just a cunt

[tough haven]

That’s what I mean

[queen laurel]

there was girl in a tribe that was so good on her job but the man didn't even accept her, but when she became a Titan pilot and she literally was one of the most skilled to have ever lived

[rocky gale]

Kayex is just a typical Welshman tbh

[fallen plaza]

Olesya techpriest

[near wasp]

Don't talk about our beloved like that

[crystal forum]

hadron hates her job

[sour hornet]

Are there mechanicus guys who don't listen to this and chrome out completely?

[tough haven]

Oh yeah one more thing about eldar before I get on necrons

[crystal forum]

yes, cawl

but he has human soul

[tough haven]

“I have been an operative for many years, I have been angry for most of them”

[fallen plaza]

And other radical tech priest that we wont bother to name

[tough haven]

He’s probably got some brain in there

[near wasp]

One of these days I'm just gonna get on dilaras nerves too much and get sent to the dark cells

[shadow berry]

Cawl still has flesh bits... and clones, but he doesn't call them clones and gets away scot free about it.

[crystal forum]

i doubt it

cawl just does whatever he wants

[tough haven]

He’s still semi safe though and doesn’t do completely idiot stuff without reason, I love him

[sour hornet]

This dude is sounding a little unhinged?

[crystal forum]

it's never made clear what AI is in 40k anyways. it's some sort of soul thing

[rocky gale]

Cawl's also like not really totally Cawl anymore

[crystal forum]

also the other day i learned that it's called silica animus which is funny

[tough haven]

He just fucks around and finds out like a real scientist

[tough haven]

He’s cawl enough

[sour hornet]

Making clones? Fully robotic? Sounds a tad evil

[rocky gale]

Because whenever he finds someone smart and interesting enough he merges his brain with theirs

[tough haven]

More cawl than anyone else

[near wasp]

Those are simulacrums totally different than clones

[crystal forum]

the imperium are not the good guys

[rocky gale]

Like he's merged his brain with dozens of people at this point

[queen laurel]

You're neat

violently fuses with them

[gray umbra]

Just start talking about how the imperium of man is a good and righteous faction we should emulate

[sour hornet]

Okay that sounds heretical

[tough haven]

Nah he’s a chad, he’s the only tech priest doing real innovation

[fallen plaza]

You should see the 40k universe, i heard people there are pretty evil

[sour hornet]

I mean evil by Imperium standards

[rocky gale]

The best part is his brain isn't big enough to store all the data, so every so often he has to comb through his own memories and delete the unimportant ones

[tough haven]

Oh it definitely is, but he’s good at logically reasoning it out to explain him self, and he does good work, as much as the authorities of the Mechanicus dong like it

[crystal forum]

the only difference between chaos and the imperium is who they worship. both are extremely evil

[sour hornet]

Like making clones willy-nilly sounds heretical

[rocky gale]

Yea Cawl's kinda got a pass on it

Because the Emperor literally looked at him and gave him a "I can do whatever I want" card

[near wasp]

Well you see the imperial creed is the best way to run a government. It's not the lower people's duty to think that's the duty of the higher people with the best most pure genetics

[tough haven]

He’s actually seen the emperor, technically speaking

[shadow berry]

If I remember right, the Cawl personality is still dominant and will absorb lesser minds. His childhood friend is remade over and over just so Cawl has someone to talk to, very human vulnerability that has been exploited before too.

[sour hornet]

The Emperor?

[rocky gale]

Yep

[tough haven]

This is true

[sour hornet]

How fucking old is cawl

[rocky gale]

Cawl has been alive since before the Heresy

[fallen plaza]

Dan abnett character moment

[tough haven]

Very

[crystal forum]

main character type old

[tough haven]

He’s funny though, I like him

[sour hornet]

How tf is he still alive?

[tough haven]

Replacing his parts

Most tech priests are ancient

[sour hornet]

Do mechanicus guys normally live this long?

[near wasp]

He was alive during the heresy

[crystal forum]

he set out to conquer death

[shadow berry]

"Not-clones"

[crystal forum]

not really but some live pretty long

[shadow berry]

Cawl "inferior" haha

[fallen plaza]

Dont put cawl on a 30k table though, or i’ll punch you in the throat

[rocky gale]

He's much more ancient than others, before the return of Guilliman a lot of his work was basically done in secret bidding his time

[crystal forum]

aka he was in lore limbo until GW needed primaris

[rocky gale]

Guilliman gave him a job to do, so he was just quietly doing it for 10k years until Guilliman returned and said "It's time"

[fallen plaza]

Cawl more like caulk

[tough haven]

Look at this guy and I think the question answers itself

He’s a monster

But he’s my monster

I love how he’s actually open minded to an extent

He played chess with a Necron and won

[shadow berry]

Other major tech priests end up really liking the stuff cawl makes and has brought forth. He brings results, therefore they pass on his more ...open secrets.

[tough haven]

He’s also trying to un fuck the galaxy

[sour hornet]

I mean, normal mechanicus guys also look like they've had sexual relations with stacks of metal piping so telling age is a little difficult

[tough haven]

Which most people like

[storm jungle]

theres about as many that hate him

[tough haven]

No but he’s way above and beyond

Actually no

He’s just near the top

[near wasp]

Cawl is also the only tech priest to be able to say "I innovate but I do it right" and be able to back it up

[gray umbra]

Cawl has a super bussy

[crystal forum]

admech are even less cohesive than ecclesiarchy

[rocky gale]

Ye the Emperor looked at him and went "Keep working, even when you feel like you've betrayed me and everything I decreed, keep going"

[dusk patrol]

He’s unique in his age by most ad mech standards

[tough haven]

I think men of iron have “souls” from the one in blackstone fortress

[sour hornet]

Do mechanicus characters even perceived time the same as other mortals? How does he even have a soul? Is he even the same Cawl as the one that lived 10k years ago?

[shadow berry]

a few of those ended up being dark mechanius in disguise and their plan to expose Cawl's heresies didn't work. They were jealous!

[sour hornet]

Don't they worship him anyway?

He is the omnissiah, so that would give Cawl carte-blanche to do whatever he wants.

[tough haven]

Oh btw @sour hornet I forgot, one of my favorite eldar stories is a farseer protecting a random rogue trader from being possessed by daemons cause he’s a powerful psyker and didn’t know it, in exchange for helping them get a relic from within the eye of terror, when in reality they wanted him unposessed to possess him themselves to prevent their death, now he’s a prisoner in his own body! But one eldar lived so it’s cool

[tough haven]

Pretty much

But there’s no record of it

Besides “I said so”

But I think most would believe him

[rocky gale]

Yea, plus it wasn't even technically said to Cawl and only Cawl understands that it was a message to him

[storm jungle]

Thats not how politics work!!!!!

[tough haven]

It was said to a guy he subsumed

[storm jungle]

[sour hornet]

OK so it's schizophrenia

Got it

[storm jungle]

like uh

a super big stage of it

but yes

[crystal forum]

rogue traders only have their rights because they all have a single 20000 year old piece of paper signed by the emperor

[rocky gale]

It's kind of an Assassins Creed moment where the Emperor was talking to someone in the past to give the message to Cawl later

[tough haven]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

Because Cawl would later merge his mind with that person, gain the memory and understand it

While the original person was like "Huh what are you talking about Big E?"

[near wasp]

Big e:don't worry about it

[sour hornet]

.

[shadow berry]

which book/story was that one?

[rocky gale]

Uhhhhhhhh

Dunno

[tough haven]

The great work I think

[sour hornet]

Why couldn't the Emperor just tell him straight up. Is the Emperor just an esoteric wierdo 50% of the time or is it just me?

[tough haven]

One of cawls 3

[rocky gale]

Emperor is a busy man

[crystal forum]

more like 100% of the time yes

[near wasp]

Wait cawl has 3 books I thought it was only great work and gene father?

[crystal forum]

remember the heresy started because he didnt talk to his son

[sour hornet]

I'd fake this and become a RT

[storm jungle]

No he has 2

[tough haven]

He is

[storm jungle]

3rd one is coming out

like uh

we know its coming lol

[near wasp]

Ah

[storm jungle]

just no announcements yet

[crystal forum]

you'd get killed for being poor anyways

[storm jungle]

yeah genefather is literally a setup book

tasking him to go that one necron planet stuck on the event horizon of a black hole

[near wasp]

Next book gonna be crazy

[sour hornet]

Okay, what if I was a noble, could I fake it then?

[rocky gale]

No

[sour hornet]

Just copy his handwriting

[shadow berry]

Horus was a big boy, he should have been able to handle it all.

[crystal forum]

rogue traders are unbelievably wealthy

[rocky gale]

Yea RT's could literally just rock up and buy a planet and it wouldn't even hurt their budget

[crystal forum]

couldn't handle the sword thrust in him could he

[near wasp]

Really though that trial of cawl has to be one of my favorite 40k moments

[tough haven]

Me too

[rocky gale]

Also I really should write that Necron story that keeps popping into my head

[tough haven]

He just explains himself well

[shadow berry]

Should have been Sanguinius being warmaster, he could've handled the sword. Sanguinius was the best of them.

[sour hornet]

Would it be easier for me to become apart of said RT ship and steal the writ out from under her?

[crystal forum]

sanguinius would have fabio'd his way to the chaos gods and told them to fuck off

[rocky gale]

No

[tough haven]

Also Cawl has a soul bc it’s tied to more than flesh

[near wasp]

It's be easier to get adopted into the family and usurp the title that way

[dusk patrol]

Stealing a writ is an uh, interesting idea

[shadow berry]

I also want more trazyn and orikan.

[crystal forum]

if you consider going to war with a private army that has more weaponry than the average planetary defence force to be easy, sure

[rocky gale]

It's not exactly pocket sized

[near wasp]

And that's one of the smaller ones

[rocky gale]

Yea you can see it loops around and keeps going along the back

[gray umbra]

The chamber holding the writ is also guarded up the ass

[rocky gale]

Yep

[crystal forum]

keep in mind that rogue traders have thousands of people who's sole purpose is living and dying for them

[crystal forum]

those automated turrets murdering all the cultists

[rocky gale]

Yea the crew of a RT ship usually view the universe as:

God Emperor
Rogue Trader
Everything else

[shadow berry]

You'll also have to face some Dark Eldar trying to make an easy steal of the Emperor's blood on the writ. If it's even a real one. They want their own webway golden throne and need the only psyker around to power it.

[sour hornet]

I have grit and ambitions.

[near wasp]

Let's see how that gets you in an shallow grave

[sour hornet]

I don't think adoption is a legitimate option when they have legions of men and women jostling for the suitors role.

[rocky gale]

Yea I'd like to see your grit and ambition hold up against an Arch-Militant who's somehow duel-wielding Meltaguns

[sour hornet]

An arch what?

[crystal forum]

master crafted meltaguns

[tough haven]

Even servitors have souls

[crystal forum]

that can melt through a baneblade

because RT armies get the best of the best equipment

[gray umbra]

Arch militant is like the rogue traders chief enforcer or something

[sour hornet]

Oh okay thats a big gun.

[gray umbra]

Their best fighter

[crystal forum]

that's just a bolter

[near wasp]

Pissing of an rt is only marginally better than an Inquisitor

[rocky gale]

Arch-Militant, imagine like the best soldier in the entire sector, then taking them and giving them another 10 years of training, 30 years of experience and the best gear in the galaxy

[crystal forum]

i'd say it's worse since a RT will be way pettier than an inquisitor who has stuff to do lol

[sour hornet]

?!?!

[rocky gale]

It's huge

[sour hornet]

Okay, my plan may have not been thought out properly.

[fallen plaza]

It probably depends

[near wasp]

I mean a rt will likely just kill you but an inquisitor will probably have somebody torture you

[fallen plaza]

I say both have very little to do most of the time since no one checks on them

[crystal forum]

murder a commissar instead

much easier

and depending on the regiment you'd probably have support

[storm jungle]

Theres a literal rogue trader in canon who literally won his Warrant from a poker game with a sector lord

never think your ideas are dumb when its 40k

[rocky gale]

Shhh

[crystal forum]

bruh that's dumb

[tough haven]

You can also just get one by knowing the right people

[storm jungle]

^

[tough haven]

The RT in forges of mars forged his but the Mechanicus just doesn’t care

[near wasp]

Or be good enough at espionage to blackmail the right people to get one

[storm jungle]

being a rogue trader is a lot of things yeah

[dusk patrol]

Well that was a bit more than knowing the right people that dude had the high lords ear

[tough haven]

Cause he’s actually good at it

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its still a thing

[dusk patrol]

That was an exceptional case, but yeah

[tough haven]

There’s lots of ways

[storm jungle]

its the galaxy, anything can happen

[crystal forum]

knowing a high lord personally is a bit more than just having good contacts from college

[sour hornet]

We're so back, thank you Dilara! 🗣️🤝🫵

[storm jungle]

a sector lord is different

its not just them that gives the warrants out

[gray umbra]

Sitting at the space dmv for 40 years just to get your pilot license

[storm jungle]

🤝

[dusk patrol]

Generally the main thing is faking it would be easier then just trying to steal one, but winning one officially?

That’s a way to do it. But you’d need proper recognition from the house holdings if you wanted to take over a house.

[storm jungle]

Faking one sounds even harder, with "winning" one you at least got one thats literally legit.

[crystal forum]

again you'd have to also fight your way to the top even if you pretend to have one and people believe you

you need resources to survive as a RT

[storm jungle]

You have to fight your way to the top even if you are a noble

[near wasp]

Faking one would require you to know ever single security seal and stamp and forge it exactly

[storm jungle]

its not different here

[dusk patrol]

There’s also stuff like a governor selling his world to buy favor to become one

[storm jungle]

^

But basically yeah essentially it doesnt matter

this entire universe is built on plot excuses

just come up with a viable one

and not just uh

"i found it in a dumpster"

[crystal forum]

no, eversor assassin upon you dilara

[sour hornet]

So if I was I noble I could do it by fucking over the rest of my family and selling their shit?

[dusk patrol]

I would say don’t make it too complicated

[storm jungle]

Yeah just do it in a way that makes sense

[dusk patrol]

I guess

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends on execution

[sour hornet]

Trust 🤝

[dusk patrol]

Tbh they have lots of origins for houses in the game

[storm jungle]

Yeah this.

like the possibilities are endless

[dusk patrol]

Just use those

[crystal forum]

with the power of imagination

[sour hornet]

40k Rogue Trader? Go figure

[gray umbra]

My dad works at the administratum

[sour hornet]

Let me see if i can get it

[spring cairn]

your dad killed billions

[storm jungle]

its only like 3

and its the usual shit you see in fiction

"family disliked me so i left"

etc

[spring cairn]

(he misspelled a word)

[sour hornet]

immensely relatable

[gray umbra]

He put in VI instead of IV and doomed a planet

[sour hornet]

I'm immersed already

[crystal forum]

woops there goes the 1 billion units of yearly rations

some other world will be very happy though

(they're all sent to a death world)

[gray umbra]

Accidentally sent an ig regiment to a necron tomb world

[crystal forum]

that's not an accident it's a tactical miscalculation

[gray umbra]

The plot of winter assault

[crystal forum]

we will win against the necrons by doing the same strategy for the 10th time

they wont expect it this time

[gray umbra]

They cant vaporize all of us

https://tenor.com/view/action-drama-show-me-your-war-face-yelling-training-gif-3298937

[tough haven]

“Good old orbital bombardment and artillery strike, that never fails”

[crystal forum]

that time valhallans were sent to a desert planet

[tough haven]

@sour hornet I can go into necrons now if you want

[sour hornet]

That would be fitting

[crystal forum]

no go into guard

always enter a guard

[tough haven]

So necrons we’re originally a race called the Necrontyr that because of the sun on the planet they originally came from all have genetic space cancer, and even with their super advanced tech (most advanced in setting) could not fix it. They also really fucking hated the Old Ones, and the other races they made, like eldar and orks, and their war between them was called The War in Heaven (this is the pre setting war dilara talked about), this war really was going poorly for the Necrontyr until they discovered strange energy entities that survived off of literally eating suns, they saw these as the gods of death they worshipped, the C’tan, and figured out how to communicate with them. One of these C’tan, now known as The Deciever, made an offer to the king of the Necrontyr, it would give them the knowledge of how to solve their ailment and defeat their enemies, and the Necrontyr would make them physical bodies and serve them.

[crystal forum]

you know i just realized how funny it is that 40k rules are only in imperial even in countries where inches are never taught

[tough haven]

This “solution” was Biotransference, a way to transfer their consciousness into bodies made of Necrodermis, a material that repairs itself and can be revived using their technology, granting the Necrons Immortality, and superiority over their enemies. But it was a trick for the C’tan to consume their souls, and to have a race to serve them, the Necrontyr, now known as Necrons, didn’t think of the downsides of this process, they were now cut off from the warp, as they had no souls, and all but the higher echelons of necrons were mindless automata fit to only serve their lords, since only the highest ranking necrons received bodies capable of confusing all of their personality and consciousness

Also the minor issue of their minds not being altered to fit their new bodies, so necrons regularly feel the need to do things like breathe, even though they can’t anymore

[sour hornet]

Well, that's fucking horrifying. Did they at least kill all the old ones?

[tough haven]

They aren’t around anymore

So maybe

[sour hornet]

I see Eldar are Orks are still around, so they lost that fight

[tough haven]

But wait, it gets better (worse)

[crystal forum]

old ones created all the problems

and left

like in fantasy!

[tough haven]

Orks are a devolved version of what was around in the war

[crystal forum]

krorks

[tough haven]

And eldar aren’t doing great

[near wasp]

Well of course what else would it be, anything else would be heresy

[sour hornet]

Why are they devolved? Did something do it as a "fuck you"?

[tough haven]

Nah just over time

[near wasp]

They ran out a good fights

[tough haven]

They used to be a lot smarter and higher tech

[crystal forum]

not explained

[tough haven]

Now they just run on an instinctual level

[crystal forum]

that's the real answer

[tough haven]

Built as a weapon but with no one to wield them

[sour hornet]

A weapon? Like a "drop em here and let em loose" type weapon?

[tough haven]

Like a warrior race

To kill their enemies

[crystal forum]

the type of weapon that never stops fighting

[rocky gale]

Eldar were like artisinally crafted pre war, Korks were quick and dirty because they needed troops, much thought probably wasn't given to their long term stability

[sour hornet]

That is a fucked thing to do to the sapient species you created

[tough haven]

The eldar were kinda that, but mostly were made as an experiment or art piece

[crystal forum]

don't worry orks love it

[tough haven]

They are unironically the happiest and best off race in 40K imo

[rocky gale]

The thought was probably "Hey there's long term instability to these guys, but we can fix that after the war"

[crystal forum]

also old ones maybe created humanity that's not clear

[sour hornet]

They seriously don't care that they're discarded weapons?

[rocky gale]

The Orks?

They don't remember

[crystal forum]

the orks dont care about many things

they just do what they love

[rocky gale]

They're basically a self replicating sentient fungus

[tough haven]

All they know and remember is they was made to fight and win

[rocky gale]

All they need to know about how to fight is built into their genetic code

[celest dome]

I think there is a passage where an Ork remember his genetic memory from.the time of the war in haven and is disgusted that what became Grots used to lead them.

[tough haven]

“Orks always win, cause we’z the bestest! And if we don’t win, then we died fighting, an’ we can always come back for anuvva go, so it don’t count!”

[sour hornet]

So the way they were artificially created means they're literally always having a good time, whether they win or get blown to pieces.

[dusk patrol]

The theory is Eldar were intended to actually be a proper race and inherit the Old Ones empire or at least function more and were shifted to war fighting while the Orks were just made for the war

[sour hornet]

Do they eat? Why are some orks fucking huge and others people size

[dusk patrol]

Either way the result is what we got

[dusk patrol]

Wagghhh energy

[tough haven]

I’ll get to orks after necrons

[rocky gale]

They constantly keep growing througout their lives and the more they win the faster they grow

[crystal forum]

orks get bigger by being better

simple as

[dusk patrol]

They get bigger over time as they fight more

[tough haven]

Short answer is they get stronger the more they fight

[sour hornet]

I mean the eldar are all high-culture, so it fits.

Okay, so the One Ones are gone, so I assume the Necrons killed them.

The deal they made fucked them over like 3000%

They made it with one C'tan who was a fucking cunt

[rocky gale]

It's assumed Necrons killed them while under the control of the C'tan and then broke free and slaughtered the C'tan

[tough haven]

Once they “won” the war in heaven (it was more of a stalemate) they realized their betrayal and their king Szazarekh, the Silent King, led his people in rebellion against their gods, and with their technology and force of will, somehow managed to shatter the Ctan, and shackle them, enslaving them as they once enslaved the necrons. At this point because of all of the large scale conflict, the warp was super hostile and fucked up (it used to be really peaceful) and the galaxy was getting apocalyptic and the necron empire was in bad shape, so they decided to take a millennia long nap in the “Great Sleep” hoping that all the other races would just die out and they could wake up and just claim the galaxy. But things didn’t go as planned, some tombs failed, some were destroyed, over time, things broke, many didn’t wake up, or woke up different than they went to sleep, many had fucked up memories, personalities, or just are insane

[tough haven]

It was all ctan, just that one offered the deal

[sour hornet]

I was going to ask that lol

"were all ctan cunts"

[tough haven]

And woke up to all those races still being around and being even more plentiful

Bad nap for sure

[rocky gale]

They were basically just parastites, until the Deciever convinced thme they were gods and gave them bodies

[crystal forum]

the deceiver

worst character in 40k

[tough haven]

So the few necrons with sentience still

[sour hornet]

yeah honestly he fucking sucks

[tough haven]

Are varying levels of insane or eccentric

And I love them

They’re petty as hell too

[sour hornet]

imagine being a machine and still feeling the need to breathe and blink but being unable

absolute shitbird that guy

[tough haven]

They try to settle old scores, kill rivals, take over territory excetera

[sour hornet]

question

[tough haven]

Cause if they worked together we’d all be fucked

Oh also they’re still waking up

They aren’t all up yet

[sour hornet]

are the tomb worlds concentrated in one area, or are they just fucking everywhere and we just stumble on them by bad luck

[tough haven]

They wake up, see life on their planet, and go “we’re killing you for trespassing”

[tough haven]

Almost everywhere

The necron empire was massive in its heyday

[tough haven]

Sometimes they’re nice enough to say “well give you 24 hours to leave”

Some dumbass digs up a tomb and activates it’s defenses which wakes up the necrons

And lemme tell you how nearly impossible it is to fight them as humans

The only reason people win in media is because of plot reasons cause a faction that wins all the time is boring

[fallen plaza]

@crystal forum

[tough haven]

Oh also most necrons don’t have emotions

[fallen plaza]

Probably my favorite homebrew vehicle

[crystal forum]

-nids are only entering the galaxy
-necrons are only now waking up
-gazgul can come back any moment
-like 4 primarchs teased in limbo
-abaddon
-eldar in general
-tau are starting to expand
-votaan are only now starting to appear

the amount of edging in 40k

[tough haven]

We gotta have everything in flux to sell models

[crystal forum]

looks tau

[fallen plaza]

Guh

How

[crystal forum]

also pink panther reference

inspector clouseau

[fallen plaza]

Its named after the original guy that came up with the idea

[fallen plaza]

He made a plasticard template you could download

[sour hornet]

edgehammer

[fallen plaza]

This was the original design

[crystal forum]

who?

[fallen plaza]

Clouseaux

[crystal forum]

old school kitbashing vs single button press

[fallen plaza]

I think the original idea was to make the rhino match the aesthetic of the land raider

[crystal forum]

that explains the side hatches

[fallen plaza]

That reminds me of what i originally wanted to show

[plush mason]

i love it

[crystal forum]

ngl i'll probably be mauled for this but resin printing is harder than cutting plasticard

getting it to work and not be poisoned

[fallen plaza]

This is the lengths people had to go to for truescale marines back in the day

[crystal forum]

lmao

[fallen plaza]

In hindsight all of this was absolutely deranged

There were people crazy enough to want true scale rhinos and land raiders too

[crystal forum]

i want truescale vehicles

wait are primaris vehicles truescale

[fallen plaza]

Genuinely insane lmao

[tough haven]

so let’s just start with your average necron warrior, sure it’s mindless on its own and can’t do much without orders, but anytime you shoot it, it won’t do much unless it’s like plasma or melta, and even if it does you better fucking triple tap it, cause they will self repair and just fucking get up again, cause necrodermis repairs itself super fast. And even if you just manage to damage it to non functionality it will transfer its consciousness to the tomb it came from, and it’s body will teleport back there to get rebuilt and reuploaded, sometimes this process fails though, but usually at least the mind is saved, so basically an endless legion keeps coming back to kill you, and there’s tens of thousands of these at any given time. They have no emotion, no fear, they will keep marching until their lord says the foe is dead.

[fallen plaza]

@crystal forum look at that rhino in the middle for comparison

[crystal forum]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/3dcd8c6d-ec2a-447a-83ab-cc4a2173a43d

i just found an image of what a truescale marine would look like

but this doesnt look very accurate

marine arent that big

in lore

[fallen plaza]

It isnt kek

[tough haven]

And each one of these carries a gauss blaster, a weapon that fucking disassembles you at the atomic level, and practically no armor can save you of enough shoot at you

[fallen plaza]

Its absurd

[crystal forum]

apparently it's mostly torso to head size and stuff that it's representing

because yeah marines have weird proportions on tabletop

[fallen plaza]

I see it

Its very uncanny though

I dont like it

[crystal forum]

but i see a lot of people coping that "marines are much bigger than tabletop"

[sour hornet]

So what I'm hearing, is that unless you fucking smite them with artillery it's basically:

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-terminator-skynet-who-me-gif-27520354

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[sour hornet]

Imperium is boned

[fallen plaza]

If people are still genuinely complaining about that in this era im gonna punch them in the nuts

[tough haven]

And keep bombarding them

But wait there’s more

That’s just the most basic one

[sour hornet]

Bro WHAT IS THAT

[tough haven]

Gauss blaster

[rocky gale]

That's like the weakest weapon the Necrons have

[fallen plaza]

Ah the imperiums fine, 100% it’ll live through this fine

[tough haven]

Just have faith in the emperor

[tough haven]

“Faith will be my sh-“

[crystal forum]

im just curious as to what a truescale tank would look like since people dont seem to realize how utterly massive even the little leman russ is

[sour hornet]

I just saw my platoon SGT get his face reduced to lime fanta, I'm fuckin boned.

[fallen plaza]

I mean the image i showed had a predator on it too

Oh and he also made a truescale land raider

[hallow plover]

People cry that guardsmen have shitty armor when most of the weapons in warhammer can wreck even a space marine

[fallen plaza]

Lemme find it

[sour hornet]

It gets worse?

[rocky gale]

Oh yep

They got dudes walking around carrying like doomsday tier weapons

[tough haven]

Then there’s immortals which are slightly higher ranking necrons with minor personality and Independent thought that fire fucking Tesla guns that fire death lightning that chains or bigger gauss guns

[crystal forum]

you cannot convince me that current land raiders arent big enough

[sour hornet]

I mean, guardsmen die to literally everything. I've seen them die to every weapon out there.

[tough haven]

Someone get me images of necron vehicles

[sour hornet]

Their armor is fodder.

[crystal forum]

stop shitting on my guard

[tough haven]

Flak armor can barely take a lasgun

But it ain’t saving you from a gauss flayer

[rocky gale]

Like these are just some of the handheld weaponry they carry around

[tough haven]

That shit kills tanks

[fallen plaza]

Technically they arent? But its stupid to make them bigger at this point, no vehicle in 40k is true scale, the mastodon is a good example of that lol

[tough haven]

Ooh ooh lemme go into deathmarks

[rocky gale]

I do not want to get hit with the Synaptic Disintegrator

[hallow plover]

Necron weaponry is probably the quickest and painless death you can have

[fallen plaza]

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/machinator248/True Scale/TSLR12_zps03744957.jpg

[sour hornet]

Doofenschmirtz sounding gun.

Only you'll die in utter agony

[rocky gale]

Like one of their weapons is just called the "Death Ray"

And a handful of Death Rays could destroy an entire Hive city in less than an hour

[sour hornet]

And these guys are just chilling underground

snoozing

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-eepy-gif-10295980600460052163

[fallen plaza]

Come potion! Lend me vigor!

[rocky gale]

They eepy

[sour hornet]

Are there any necrons w/ an actual personality?

[rocky gale]

It's like everything in 40k, if it simultaniously woke up and unified as a single force it would conquer the Galaxy

[tough haven]

Deathmarks are fucking super assassins with near full personality and independence, They have the synaptic disintegrators that literally disintegrate your neural tissue starting with your brain, you better fucking pray you die to it, if you don’t your a vegetable. And also on top of that, they can fucking teleport into a pocket dimension at will to almost anywhere at will. Necron lords don’t use them that often cause it’s considered dishonorable, cause it’s just too fucking easy

[rocky gale]

Yep

[sour hornet]

Like fully?

[tough haven]

Yeah, lords do

The aristocracy

[rocky gale]

The Nobles and leaders do

[tough haven]

They’re all funny guys

[rocky gale]

and their royal courts etc

[tough haven]

And they all hate every other form of life

[rocky gale]

And they also usually hate every other Necron Dynasty tbh

[tough haven]

They’re literally like “eww, the Vermin are trying to speak”

[tough haven]

Yeah

That too

[fallen plaza]

I reccomend reading infinite and the divine

Experience lore through your own eyes

[rocky gale]

I really should write that Necron story

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/eDw3SGZVMK4?si=bc6J_ZbMrDQ0JQIx

https://youtu.be/DkISLldNm5w?si=2fhtoo3zABD9DG3Z

[sour hornet]

So Necron Lords are the metallic embodiment of a true hater, distilled and made immortal?

[tough haven]

Yeah

Pretty much

[rocky gale]

They do vary though

Each can have their own unique quirks and eccentricities

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/E29IsMK7d7Q?si=F2PrlCgn97YWXfoK

[tough haven]

Zandrekh and Obyron my beloved, my favorite necrons

[crystal forum]

what does truescale even mean anymore like is it supposed to be some arbitrary size that "looks right"?

[fallen plaza]

No more than any other 40k character

[fallen plaza]

Yup

[crystal forum]

because if we're using a 40k geek's understanding of vehicles sizes that's a very bad barometer

APC's are not super spacious lol

[paper haven]

To be fair, those guardsmen were insanely outmatched

[fallen plaza]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1162821226104881202/1173816868788772894/20231113_204848.jpg?ex=66c74fe5&is=66c5fe65&hm=54640d3df68a52e9ecacf689bb48e49fca755edf72cff4bf0ca1c10d342fe048&

This was a print a friend of mine did

This is his definition of “true scale”

[rocky gale]

That is a thicc boi

[fallen plaza]

The termies are fucking obese lol

[rocky gale]

Unbearably rotund

[paper haven]

Look at his stubby lil legs

[rocky gale]

Call him the 1 son, because he ate the other 999

[sour hornet]

I feel for this guy though

His boss was an overbearing cunt

[crystal forum]

@fallen plaza the BTR-60 is clearly not truescale, these soldiers can't stand up in it and dance around

[sour hornet]

Heckle the assassin while he's trying to work. Good idea.

[fallen plaza]

Thats the sort of problem you run into with discussions on that yeah

[tough haven]

here’s one of my favorite necron quotes:
“But… our souls, Zahndrekh. The machine… it could give us our souls back. It could give us our bodies. Please, lord, let’s at least take part of it with us, so we can know for sure.’
‘Oh, dear vargard, why do you hold on to such things? You must let the thought of this awful contraption go.’
Zahndrekh put an arm round him in consolation, and continued.
‘Let me pose you this thought, Obyron, in the hope it will bring you ease. What do you think caused you to hold true to me for all this time – despite all the power you might have enjoyed through betrayal – if it were not a soul? What can love, but a being with a soul?
‘Even if we all ceased to be flesh and blood millions of years ago, which of course I don’t believe for a moment,’ – Zahndrekh actually winked – ‘wouldn’t it have suited us better to live in denial of that, as some fools might say I had done? Wouldn’t it be better, Obyron, just to accept our fate, and enjoy immortality for the everlasting life of merry campaigning it has proved to be?’ Obyron stared hard at Zahndrekh, unsure of what he was hearing. ‘You old bastard. You knew all along.’
‘I knew nothing of the sort, old friend. But since you seem to be labouring under some delusion that you’re a soulless machine, I thought I should at least make some attempt to set you straight.’ ”

Excerpt From
Severed
Nate Crowley

[crystal forum]

why is that cataphracti so thicc

[tough haven]

Fr

[sour hornet]

You can't even stand up in a Stryker without popping the hatch.

[fallen plaza]

Thats fummelfingers stuff

[paper haven]

Micromanagement exists in the worst possible timelines for all races

[rocky gale]

Sick Chainsaw man reference

[crystal forum]

please ask guard questions

they are the most interesting and fleshed out 40k faction

[fallen plaza]

Why are solar auxilia so cool and epic and when will they come back

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/4_ZfeH2b3JA?si=_UCFX1tplHtDcmHY

[sour hornet]

I feel for them, especially since they did all that fighting and sacrificing, only to end up in a worse environment than they left.

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/R36beG080K4?si=5KYcsyJzSDwHHPWK

[fallen plaza]

Sa’kan deez nuts amiright

[sour hornet]

With only remnants of their culture and influence, living on in only ancient memories.

[paper haven]

The Necron got fucked over big time

[tough haven]

These show necron arrogance quite well

[tough haven]

That’s why I like em, they’re just making the most of what they have, also zandrekh believes he still lives back when they were flesh and blood, “eating and drinking” and stuff, and Obyron is his faithful guard who keeps him from getting himself killed in his madness

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/N8t_8Kn-ip8?si=AlyTggRIPOYf7cJ9

Forgot to post this one

[paper haven]

Salamanders are great though

[dusk patrol]

New WH+ minis apparently

[raven stone]

Oh so GW is only releasing Inquisitors to WH+ subscribers

What behaviour…

[dusk patrol]

No?

[raven stone]

But…but your post said WH+ minis…?

[green loom]

Oh that Marshal is really good

[raven stone]

I probably inferred the wrong thing :p

[dusk patrol]

They’ve literally just released a new inquisitor model

[green loom]

Well no you're wrong, they just released coteaz and have like 3 other inquisitors

[dusk patrol]

This is just another one for WH+

[crystal forum]

when they get actual lore

[fallen plaza]

He never said WH+ silly

[paper haven]

I would absolutely believe they would hold model releases behind a subscribtion service

[crystal forum]

also warhammer stuff announced to come on prime video??

[dusk patrol]

It’s a special model you get for subscribing for a set amount of time

[fallen plaza]

There are two major solar aux characters, its enough

[crystal forum]

i can actually watch warhammer stuff??

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[fallen plaza]

Where did this trailer come from

[crystal forum]

yes i know i saw the announcement

[paper haven]

Ya boi

[crystal forum]

it was more of a statement

[green loom]

Secret Level

[crystal forum]

although fucking december 10

[dusk patrol]

https://youtu.be/RfYO2wxsYnc?si=St406PMbAusvDF1Q

There’s some other 40k parts too like the start

It’s a series of shorts for different video games

[green loom]

That they okayed it for secret level is probably a good sign for the amazon deal

[dusk patrol]

Comes out in December

[raven stone]

Wait ok so that inquisitor model, I don’t see it on the Community page
Is it truly only WH+, or did they just get an early heads up about a new mini?

[green loom]

It leaked

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know but WH+ has “free” minis they get

[green loom]

They're probably announcing them at Nova

[fallen plaza]

Oh god its from the love death and robots team

[dusk patrol]

This is this years one apparently

[fallen plaza]

I expect mixed results

[green loom]

It's from Blur studio ye

[crystal forum]

oh it's just a shitty short story thing

[dusk patrol]

Ok Jay

[raven stone]

Ah ok I see.
And yea I would be much disappointed if that turned out to be a WH+ only one.

[celest dome]

I quite like them

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I like both

Simple but well done

[green loom]

Same

Wondering about the Titus animation

[crystal forum]

time to check if i can use warhammer+

[green loom]

But it looks soooo good from the snippets we've seen

[rocky gale]

Couple of bald bastards

[crystal forum]

w-wait

i can

access warhammer+

i'm not blocked

[raven stone]

Not for me, It is asking me to subscribe.

[dusk patrol]

That’s what he means

[winter vessel]

I’m surprised Mega Man is seeing the light of day. But hey, at least I can watch a 40k animation without having to get + since I got prime

[raven stone]

Might as well continue with my power armour based conversion then…

[tough haven]

So we’re actually getting the Amazon series?

[dusk patrol]

But yeah it comes out in December and features Titus

[tough haven]

Please let it be interesting

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know for sure yet

[crystal forum]

i can finally watch warhammer slop for the low low price of 60 usd

[dusk patrol]

This is likely a testing ground for how well 40k will do on Prime

[fallen plaza]

Its most likely a multi film deal

[tough haven]

Oh gross space marine focus

[dusk patrol]

[tough haven]

I just want guard and xenos shit

[fallen plaza]

Too bad

[winter vessel]

The animation team is Blur Studios right? They churn out some quality cinematics

[tough haven]

Not the 900th space marine vs chaos

[dusk patrol]

Yeah well GW wants people to watch it so

[dusk patrol]

All of them are yeah

[winter vessel]

Good choice

[dusk patrol]

Which is pretty wild based off their quotes you can look up from super short trailers

Nice to see

[fallen plaza]

I feel like with most of the stories that come out from this are mostly gonna be mid

[tough haven]

Just please don’t make it just space marine, I don’t wanna just see another show about “super soldier that isn’t very human”

[crystal forum]

it only took them 2 years to get access in canada

[tough haven]

Cause fuck the halo show would have been a bad way for new people to get into the franchise

[crystal forum]

GW slowest moving company ever

[tough haven]

I just want this show to be good for people to get into the setting and universe

[fallen plaza]

It took them three total war games to realize fantasy was worth saving

[winter vessel]

The route they’re taking this in reminds me of Love Death and Robots

[sour hornet]

Poor Sister...

[fallen plaza]

Look at the opening credits

[dusk patrol]

GW wants this first major thing ever to be as successful as it can

[tough haven]

I’d like an anthology series on prime

[dusk patrol]

It’ll probably be mostly action

[winter vessel]

I’ve seen it

[dusk patrol]

It looks similar to Astartes in style

[tough haven]

I don’t mind as long as it’s mostly varied

[dusk patrol]

In order to get xenos and guard or whatever the fuck

You need a way in

[tough haven]

And action is cool, just let us see other perspectives

[sour hornet]

Also, that assassin also killed Danica in a single shot, despite not being a named character

[dusk patrol]

This is a 15 minute short probably

Maybe 20

[tough haven]

Synaptic disintegrators

[sour hornet]

pretty based of him

[dusk patrol]

They’re not gonna show every faction

[tough haven]

And she was at the end of her arc

[dusk patrol]

It’s there to get people interested

[green loom]

And considering the interest already

[dusk patrol]

It’s the same as space marines paying the bills so other factions can get updates

[green loom]

Probably good shit

[dusk patrol]

And it looks fucking gorgeous

[sour hornet]

I trust blur studios.

[crystal forum]

40k geeks really need to understand how utterly confusing the setting is to people who dont know it

[green loom]

Also Blur probably have a particular interest doing space marines considering one of their earlier works

[tough haven]

She realizes she’s a fucking schizo threatening innocent people and atones for it

[dusk patrol]

Frankly speaking starting with a deep dive on some xenos is the worst idea ever, space marines are way more recognizable and marketable

[sour hornet]

As a bungie fan, I am a fan of blur, they're good guys, and did the whole of halo 2 anniversary.

[tough haven]

I want the sheer non sensibility to be portrayed

[winter vessel]

Agreed. Astartes are the poster boys for 40k, despite some dissidents from others. If you want to get into the madness, they are the key

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/_oqr06cHAGw?si=cSVzOn6FVl38YIDX

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-gravemind-monument-to-all-your-sins-flood-cutscene-gif-5367290381707139366

[dusk patrol]

I’d love it if we could get a deep dive of every faction but this is literally the first major thing in a long time by GW like this

[crystal forum]

it's not a hard universe to understand it's just that the average consumer knows about comic book heros and shit but not fantasy stuff

[tough haven]

I agree, I just don’t want it to be just their perspective you know? Like show some scenes from the xenos or whatever they are fighting’s perspective

[dusk patrol]

And it’s probably big deal to prove to Amazon they’re worth investing in

[fallen plaza]

They havent done anything this big since the ultramarines movie kek

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/eliud-gifs-halo-2-odst-halo-2-scdo-gif-7230713895410911306

[winter vessel]

A gambit so to say

[dusk patrol]

It’s a 15 minute short probably

[sour hornet]

Blur are good guys

[dusk patrol]

It’s also blur

[green loom]

Also the average fan is horseshit at explaining and tends to over explain with needless bullshit that doesn't matter

[tough haven]

I mean in the future

[dusk patrol]

They’ll do fine

I’m jsut happy we’re getting 40k content of this quality

[tough haven]

Same

[dusk patrol]

It’s a dream come true to have fucking about animating a long form short like this

[tough haven]

I complain a lot but I’ll probably like it still

[dusk patrol]

That looks like this

[fallen plaza]

Xenos perspective wont help anything if its mid, it’ll just be mind numbing fan service

[crystal forum]

i hope it forces GW to start moving themselves faster than a snail on a treadmill if it brings a ton of people to the setting

[dusk patrol]

Don’t need to start complaining about “But what space marines why no xenos or guard?” Yet

[fallen plaza]

Just do something simple before you go fan service

[sour hornet]

Astartes or Militarum are the best starts

[tough haven]

Oh also @sour hornet there’s a lot more necrons stuff but I got things to do now, look up some videos of the wiki

[winter vessel]

YEAAAHHH that is crisp. Blur Studios does it right

[sour hornet]

Maybe Inquisition to get a mix of both

[crystal forum]

militarum best part

[dusk patrol]

We’re probably not gonna get a xenos focused thing for a long while frankly

[tough haven]

I agree, you gotta start with humanities perspective

[green loom]

I mean I'm probably the least happy about it being marines but it also looks good so I can excuse it

[fallen plaza]

Solar aux short

[tough haven]

True

[fallen plaza]

Lord have mercy am bout to BUST

[crystal forum]

believe it or not but most people in 2024 can relate to being forced to die for obscenely rich planet rulers

40k is perfect for us

[tough haven]

True

[fallen plaza]

I wouldn’t say most but like, a large portion of the audience

[crystal forum]

that's what most means

[winter vessel]

Another thing I’m happy about this series coming in December is Ghost of Tsushima as being one of its episodes, looking forward to that.

[fallen plaza]

At minimum i want this to be decent

[dusk patrol]

Me after watching the trailer

[fallen plaza]

Im not looking for amazing unless its action

[dusk patrol]

The story will probably be pretty basic

It’s a short

[fallen plaza]

Spunk stain

[crystal forum]

it's going to be decent at the minimum

[dusk patrol]

But it’ll look gorgeous

And 40k has always been better with style anyways over substance

[fallen plaza]

Dont let 40k cook with religious themes ever again

[crystal forum]

people cooming over the 10th edition trailer for months

[fallen plaza]

Ive had enough of sindermanns lectures for one book

[winter vessel]

It kinda looks like they just swathed through a glow worm cave

[dusk patrol]

It’s got a nice built in fanbase and it’s pretty easy to market cool guys in power armor hitting stuff with gorgeous visuals

[dusk patrol]

It’s Tzaangor blood

https://youtu.be/gLihxsmI_OU?si=T0waErSc9BwsojOI

You can see it at the start here

[fallen plaza]

The only thing im partially peeved with and thats more of a a GW thing

[winter vessel]

Isn’t Tzaangors the models GW wants people to get but no one likes?

[fallen plaza]

No firstborn rep

[crystal forum]

"AI is just as good as real art"

[tough haven]

I really hope they can get the satire part across so 40K fans aren’t introduced to the larger public as Nazis

Only a minority of us are

And we don’t like them

[crystal forum]

ngl i just like shooting large guns

[fallen plaza]

“War is bad” is like the easiest fucking message you can give to an audience, they’ll get it. Its not hard.

[tough haven]

Same brother

[fallen plaza]

Every big franchise has this one golden rule

[dusk patrol]

There’s probably almost no firstborn Ultramarines left tbh

[fallen plaza]

“You see that cool thing? Dont do it” bam, easy.

[dusk patrol]

With their casualty rates and how willing they’d be to cross over the rubicon

[crystal forum]

what if the cool big guys shooting bolters dont have to be good

[fallen plaza]

[crystal forum]

what if the media i consume is just for entertainment instead of reminding me of the great power struggle that will never affect me

[fallen plaza]

[dusk patrol]

But how does this relate to the socioeconomic struggle and classism we call face in our day to day lives in this political diaspora?

[crystal forum]

my youtube feed is so fucking bad man it's all politics

im so tired

[winter vessel]

Lotta people nowadays prefer to tear apart “entertainment” in the hopes of finding a deeper darker meaning. When it’s just in here to enjoy it

[tough haven]

Like fr

[dusk patrol]

YouTube essayists should all be shot

[tough haven]

40k is satire inherently, but its also largely just to do cool wacky shit for the sake of it

rule of cool holds up the franchise

[fallen plaza]

True

[dusk patrol]

Except the professional Mario cart drama ones

Those are ok

[fallen plaza]

I fucking hate all of them

They are all hacks and they all hide behind semi well edited videos to try and hide there stupidity

[winter vessel]

Obnoxious thumbnails as well

[tough haven]

We should make the mechanicus tau killing factory but for youtube essayists

[crystal forum]

i dont mind them but holy shit is their content low effort

[tough haven]

this is a solution to many problems

[dusk patrol]

Watching them with their stupid shoulder length hair and shitty porn staches

[winter vessel]

Do em like how they create Servitors in that one 40k novel

[dusk patrol]

Or their dumbass avatars

[crystal forum]

i feel called out eternal

[fallen plaza]

For fucking real, they all look the same