40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

I've also been to China and Japan

Taiwan is nice

[shell mason]

I'm just gonna shut up and watch chat unravel

[arctic talon]

My Mothers side grandma does not like my father

[fallen plaza]

Like you always do, which is good

[arctic talon]

I don't think I need to elaborate on why

[crystal forum]

the japanese or the chinese side

[fallen plaza]

Can't blame them

[shell mason]

Go fuck a goat Zimmer

[arctic talon]

Japanese side

[young pecan]

"No way my daughter got colonized"

[fallen plaza]

Oh japanese

Never mind

[crystal forum]

do they like anybody

[arctic talon]

oh she's just racist

[fallen plaza]

Fuck em

[queen laurel]

ah

[arctic talon]

lol

[young pecan]

oh oops

[queen laurel]

japanese are rather yeah

[crystal forum]

big words from the fuckers who got nuked

[arctic talon]

my moms like siblings are all nice though

my grandmother on that side is full of hatred

[fallen plaza]

I have a few choice words about there racism

[arctic talon]

Its surprising

well

not really

but it sure as shit is something to hear

[young pecan]

I feel like white people are absolutely not in #1 spot for amount of racists

[fallen plaza]

I'm more surprised the Chinese side is okay with it

[young pecan]

Is that too far of me to say

[queen laurel]

oh no

[crystal forum]

my filipino friend has to pay for a license just to visit japan like it's so crazy

[winter vessel]

My parents wanted to raise my sibling and I under a less strict family mindset, which is why they moved to the States. they had a more free thinking mindset. We still follow a traditional family household, but our parents had more trust in us to do the right thing

[queen laurel]

It's just that the USA is very big on the Internet that it is usually them

[dusk patrol]

We should have a racism Olympics

[fallen plaza]

White people are in the bottom of that

[arctic talon]

The Taiwanese side is pretty okay with Japanese + aren't racist, except for my granduncle

who is

A ranked professional racist

holy shit

[crystal forum]

what is it with asians hating eachother

[arctic talon]

War

Culture

[dusk patrol]

Well you see

[crystal forum]

oh right

[dusk patrol]

They have some history

[arctic talon]

being close to each other

[sour hornet]

question

is Vulcan black

[fallen plaza]

They have a lot of bad blood

A lot of it very justified

[crystal forum]

[sour hornet]

or black (non-ethnic)

[queen laurel]

asians we're very close and you know very much killed each other every time they landed on each other's territory

[dusk patrol]

Japan in particular still has people alive who participated in stuff like the rape of Nanking

[arctic talon]

he's black(ethnicity wise)

[fallen plaza]

On the Japanese side not as much

[arctic talon]

or he resembles it rather

[fallen plaza]

But maybe I'm just biased

[crystal forum]

wasn't that mostly japan in the past century

[sour hornet]

sick

[arctic talon]

have you not seen what china has been doing recently

[dusk patrol]

Also China hasn’t been the best neighbor to a lot of these people in more recent times either

[queen laurel]

yeah but Asians have been subjected by multiple outside factors that even aren't the Japan

[arctic talon]

I love military drills

a lot of it is also taught

generationally

[queen laurel]

Makes sense why some of them are rather xenophobic

[sour hornet]

I've done some reading

[dusk patrol]

Chinese fishermen are fucking wild

[arctic talon]

I love trawling

[fallen plaza]

This hatred runs deep

[crystal forum]

LETS KILL ALL THE SHARKS

[sour hornet]

Are the salamanders actually based or is there some secret lore codex where they eat babies?

[winter vessel]

ain't that the truth, I have a recent hire at my workplace who said he fled China a year ago.

[dusk patrol]

They’re professional racists

[crystal forum]

japanese fishermen arent better btw

[queen laurel]

oh Dilara is gonna have a fun time seeing this

[young pecan]

I wonder what happened in this event

[queen laurel]

they have a squad dedicated for killing uncooperative people

[dusk patrol]

Not good stuff

[queen laurel]

By burning them with fire

[fallen plaza]

East Asian fishermen are insane

[arctic talon]

they're still Space Marines

but by space marine standards they're great

[young pecan]

Shame 😔

[arctic talon]

I SAW THAT

[sour hornet]

joke?

[crystal forum]

i'm going to revoke your emoji rigjts

[dusk patrol]

No

[shell mason]

Five bucks says she won't

[arctic talon]

there's some writing in uh

the Nick Kyme salamander books

let me find the excerpt

[queen laurel]

yeah uh

[dusk patrol]

They have a huge issue in their chapter of them being super racist to people from certain areas of Nocturne

[young pecan]

Do not say Salamanders are racist

[queen laurel]

avoid him

he is very much

[sour hornet]

define "uncooperative"

[young pecan]

Do not tell me the Salamanders are racist

[shell mason]

ngl

[dusk patrol]

Not all

Just a majority

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1272291183288254555/IMG_3847.png?ex=66c4fd00&is=66c3ab80&hm=08e0077553506e19b1476c39dc3515b1ef0c70e741651d0d988ee0b4b485e0e7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[crystal forum]

all astartes are in some way racist

[shell mason]

think I broke my knuckle

[queen laurel]

riots not agreeing with orders

[fallen plaza]

They are nerd

[sour hornet]

Like are they rule sticklers?

[queen laurel]

You know common sense

[sour hornet]

Oh

[shell mason]

No shit

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[sour hornet]

Fair enough

[young pecan]

RUINED

[crystal forum]

that's ultamarines

[young pecan]

I will pretend I didn't hear this

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1272291183552630996/IMG_3848.png?ex=66c4fd00&is=66c3ab80&hm=b9b26d2131cd63aa8fa25839ddb0cbf9f5f7567bcc74c0cc29fbe5b71a589832&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dusk patrol]

Also a lot of their whole “help civilians” thing isn’t doing it out of altruism

[arctic talon]

its cultural yeah

[crystal forum]

kill all civilians

[shell mason]

Their super human ofc they'll be racist in some way

[dusk patrol]

But because they have a dogmatic obsession with following Vulkans teachings

Even when it makes no sense

[arctic talon]

Some of them really don't want to like help out

[crystal forum]

iron hands know what's up

[arctic talon]

But they'll do it anyways

[dusk patrol]

And they can save more people by not dying for a small town

[arctic talon]

I'm still not sure

[sour hornet]

So the Salamanders being based wholesome guys lands where on the truth/lie scale from 1-10

[arctic talon]

Like

[dusk patrol]

It varies

[sour hornet]

Like a 5

[arctic talon]

it depends yeah

[shell mason]

Shout out to the Marines Malevolent to setting the standard

[young pecan]

What is an Ignean?

[dusk patrol]

Some are and they tend to be nicer

But it’s not as simple

[shell mason]

for racism

[arctic talon]

People from one of the "continents" on Nocturne

[dusk patrol]

Slur for a group form a certain part of Nocturne

[fallen plaza]

What a field day for "it depends" Is

[crystal forum]

@sour hornet blame TTS

[queen laurel]

they're effective tho

[young pecan]

Dude LITERAL racism too

[arctic talon]

I'm still not sure

why nick kyme wrote that

ngl

[young pecan]

Different continent from same planet is insane

[dusk patrol]

It’s uh

Interesting

[shell mason]

yerp

[queen laurel]

because he was legally not allowed to write the N word

so he made his own

[sour hornet]

Okay, so compared to most marines they're genuinely nice, but they're still space marines are are thus mega racist to aliens and will beat your ass for disobedience?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fallen plaza]

Ignega

[sour hornet]

Someone told me to watch it for information

[shell mason]

The creation on Mon' Kia is goated

[paper haven]

Not sure racist is the right term for astartes. Speciesist? They don't anything not human

[arctic talon]

read the excerpt I posted

[shell mason]

guardsman?

[dusk patrol]

Rational is the term I like to use

[shell mason]

think about it

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Also yeah some Astartes have some like really big transhumanism superiority stuff going on

[queen laurel]

dude, they think of a lot of mortals as weaklings and nothing more than stupid people that shouldn't be help

[shell mason]

it's kinda why the horus heresy was the horus heresy

[young pecan]

Yeah I'm 100% pretending that Nick guy was just being evil on purpose and I'm disregarding the racism

[crystal forum]

my new paints arrived
i cant wait to drink them

[dusk patrol]

That was a big flaw of the Astral Claws

[fallen plaza]

Cope

[queen laurel]

they're not racist

[fallen plaza]

It's real silly

[crystal forum]

how much acrylic is lethal

[sour hornet]

Okay so is that legit just racist?

Am I reading correctly?

[fallen plaza]

All

[crystal forum]

not even a bit?

[young pecan]

It is cope and that's fine

[paper haven]

True about looking down on unmodified humans.

[arctic talon]

that guy is noted as being a racist asshole in the books but yes, that guy is straight up racist

[fallen plaza]

Don't fucking drink it

[dusk patrol]

Replace “Ignean” with any racial group in the current world

Then read it

[queen laurel]

yes, imagine thinking someone is weak and calling them a racial slur

[sour hornet]

Oka, yup, got it. 💀

[dusk patrol]

It’s all throughout the novel too

That’s just one example

[paper haven]

40k is not a nice setting

[crystal forum]

[queen laurel]

i'm surprise it took words being beaten into your skull for you to get it

[sour hornet]

I want to like them

[arctic talon]

They were hoping for the best

[queen laurel]

it's very upfront

[crystal forum]

based iron hands

[sour hornet]

Also I didn't know the etymology for Ignean. Didn't know he was basically saying a slur.

[paper haven]

It's ok to like the totalitarian fanatic space racists.

[queen laurel]

don't believe most of the things you see in the community trust me

[arctic talon]

The indomitable human will to become actual xenocidal maniacs

[paper haven]

It's all part of the setting. Everything is terrible.

[queen laurel]

they say salamanders are kind they didn't know they were extremely racist

[arctic talon]

tbh Salamanders

by marine standards

are incredibly kind

even by imperial standards they're quite kind

[young pecan]

I like some things being allowed to be good

[sour hornet]

People tell me things, and then I come here and people are like "that is absolutely not true, here's how it's actually way worse"

[outer wave]

They're just not kind to anything not human

[queen laurel]

yes but like they're presented as the squeaky clean image

of a superhuman being kind

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

even though they have a lot of dirt on them

[young pecan]

How are you supposed to be captivated by the bad stuff happening if there's almost nothing good worth caring about the bad stuff for

[arctic talon]

There is good stuff

[fallen plaza]

Watching oculus imperia usually clears things up

[sour hornet]

Okay

[arctic talon]

its mostly on the micro scale though

[outer wave]

Tbf there's just a ton of fanon that tends to muddy the waters

[paper haven]

The salamandaer are straight up lovey-dovey

[arctic talon]

Oculus Imperia and Arbitrator Ian are nice

for like

[young pecan]

That's my point 😭

[sour hornet]

So what about Raven Guard??

[arctic talon]

straight from book stuff

[sour hornet]

They cool?

[queen laurel]

yeah like the Farsight

[arctic talon]

Raven Guard hate slavery

[queen laurel]

they're nice people

[arctic talon]

and they tend to uh disappear governors

[fallen plaza]

I don't like Ian's way of reviewing units though

[sour hornet]

the suspicious gaze I'm giving this statement

[fallen plaza]

It's too neutral

[arctic talon]

Farsight runs a Military Junta

lol

[sour hornet]

Bad governers only?

[queen laurel]

they are practically as of right now the most morally right you can get

[sour hornet]

Or are they basically the CIA?

[fallen plaza]

Like, oh here's this unit I don't wanna say it's bad because of the freedom it will take away from you

[queen laurel]

they disappeared from the mind controls of their ethereals apparently

[arctic talon]

governors they don't like or are heavy handed with slavery

[winter vessel]

bout as close as you can get to a free life and living peacefully with Xenos

[arctic talon]

the Raven Guard know they can't just kill all the slavers in the Imperium

because that would be

the entire imperium

[queen laurel]

yes

[paper haven]

Raven Guard do whatever the hell they want.

[queen laurel]

but as usual it seems that the enclave is falling apart

[sour hornet]

What's the catch

[arctic talon]

but they do try to improve the quality of living

[arctic talon]

they're tiny, they're a military Junta

[queen laurel]

it seems that next time in the lord they are rather falling apart

[arctic talon]

run by a benevolent dictator

[winter vessel]

pretty much one of the smallest factions

[sour hornet]

There is 100% a catch you're not telling me.

[paper haven]

Military Juntas are not nice.

[sour hornet]

I have learned

[arctic talon]

Those are the catches

its a Military Junta

And theres still the usual Tau Empire stuff

of a heavy caste system

[queen laurel]

yeah but compared to the other shit stain of the universe

they are rather

[arctic talon]

and stratified socieety

[queen laurel]

good

[arctic talon]

and its a benevolent dictatorship

also they're tiny

[sour hornet]

Are they racist?

Speciest*

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

not much

[winter vessel]

this is Tau were talkin

[arctic talon]

its mostly internal like castism

for the Farsight enclaves

[queen laurel]

yeah

[fallen plaza]

Everyone is

[arctic talon]

Farsight discourages intercaste stuff still

[queen laurel]

other than that they are mostly well

[paper haven]

Tau actually tend to take in alien races, right?

[arctic talon]

yep

but they're usually like

[sour hornet]

People told me the tau sterilize folks

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they're usually on the bottom of the ladder

in the hierarchy

[arctic talon]

this happens to rebels

not to normal people

[paper haven]

Heavy caste system. Got it.

[arctic talon]

the Tau do also like

displace people

and commit cultural genocide

but the Farsight enclaves doesn't really do that

they're just so tiny and miniscule

that anyone deciding to wipe them out could

[queen laurel]

yeah they don't have a lot of numbers

and only a few planets

[sour hornet]

So the Farsight enclaves are legitimately pretty good?

Apart from size?

[paper haven]

I wouldn't worry about it. The tyrannid are about to tear through Tau territory and then Farsight won't be so tiny in comparison.

[winter vessel]

about as good as you can get in the Grimdark Future of Stupids and Racists

[queen laurel]

compared to the other shit of the universe

[arctic talon]

literally one of the best places a human could live

in 40k

not even a joke

[queen laurel]

Very much

[sour hornet]

How does the Imperium see them? Or are they too insignificant to notice?

[fallen plaza]

Again, don't rely on the fandom

They lie most of the time

Watch the vids

[arctic talon]

They just see them as part of the Tau empire

they aren't aware the farsight enclaves

are a breakaway group

they also don't care about the farsight enclaves because they're like

halfway into the Tau empires territory

[queen laurel]

Yeah and they are rather and they are considered insignificant

[paper haven]

There are bigger problems than the Tau right now

[arctic talon]

yeah the Tau are one of the lowest on the Imperiums Genocide list

[sour hornet]

Tyrannids, Orks, the big warp rift, right?

[paper haven]

Yep.

[winter vessel]

Necrons as well

[sour hornet]

Necrons?

Aren't they sleep?

[arctic talon]

well the ones that are awake

[queen laurel]

they are waking up

[arctic talon]

are setting up giant zones that nullify warp energy

or starting to reclaim their old territory

[fallen plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049121734554566686/1275180971351740567/image.png?ex=66c4f453&is=66c3a2d3&hm=a0e94de6a8da4d521fd515f030dc763eb71b85bf93e51131393394a1b688ad86&

[sour hornet]

Oh god

[fallen plaza]

Vermintide rice cooker

[arctic talon]

That goes fucking hard

I want one

[queen laurel]

shit

[paper haven]

And then there's the Necrons, which I'm hoping will sort of just cancel those other problems out somehow

[queen laurel]

that looks nice

[sour hornet]

So we're basically fucked on all sides

[arctic talon]

the Necrons are also stuck in a civil war

[winter vessel]

dang I legitmately want something like that in my apartment.

[arctic talon]

with each other

[queen laurel]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Yep, the Imperium is a bloated, decaying carcass of an empire that refuses to die

[fallen plaza]

It's an unused asset janfon found

So it's real

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[arctic talon]

as an Eldar Ranger says, "The only thing more arrogant then the Imperium's desire to cling to survival is the Eldar Empire"

[sour hornet]

The other primarch is back right

can't he help

[arctic talon]

Lion and Guilliman are back

[sour hornet]

like, do another crusade

[arctic talon]

its too late

[winter vessel]

too few

[arctic talon]

its like putting a bandaid

[paper haven]

Lion's gonna be maaaaad

[arctic talon]

over a hemorrraging wound

okay

its more like sewing it together

[queen laurel]

Hard Line

[arctic talon]

but the Imperium is bleeding out

the Primarchs only slow it down

[paper haven]

Sure the Primaris and the Primarchs are a huge boon but. Come on.

[arctic talon]

I'm sure corax would be making out with a bolter if he saw the modern imperium

same with Vulkan

actually vulkan probably has already seen the modern imperium

[winter vessel]

I compare it too like a person who has really bad cancer but is constantly going through chemotherapy

[sour hornet]

Guilliman is on the earth side of the rift and the Lion is on the other, right?

[arctic talon]

yeah Lion is in the shittier end of the Imperium

he's busy just murdering stuff with his boys

[sour hornet]

Is that a good thing?

[arctic talon]

uh

It helps make Nihlus less awful?

Lion isn't much of a politican

or thinker of big reforms

he just kills issues

[fallen plaza]

Lion at one point thought his legion was so boring he fell asleep for a long time

[sour hornet]

Like, I know guilliman is like a sage administrator

[arctic talon]

Lion is called a savage in noble clothes

because he doesn't care about civlization

he just wants to KILL

but he's one man

[winter vessel]

and Leman is what I call the noble in savage clothes

[sour hornet]

So him being on that side is what he wants?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lion is

in his zone

running around killing stuff

[winter vessel]

Redeeming his Fallen too

[arctic talon]

yep

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/death-of-stalin-zhukov-zukow-i'm-smiling-but-i-am-really-fucking-furious-i'm-smiling-but-i'm-really-fucking-furious-gif-16654753163379778846

[arctic talon]

or killing them

[arctic talon]

Leman is ironically very good at thinking and actually administrating when he does it

[winter vessel]

Asmodai ain't gonna be too happy is papa is going to get rid of his fun with the fallen

[sour hornet]

Does he like Guilliman? Or is he just content letting him play politician?

[crystal forum]

land raider already looking fairly large holy shit

[arctic talon]

Lion approves of what Guilliman is doing but he has not met him since waking up

[crystal forum]

why is the land raider so big

[arctic talon]

Its fat

[fallen plaza]

It's about the same size as a normal land raider

[sour hornet]

Okay, could be worse

[crystal forum]

i cant even imagine the spartan

[arctic talon]

Lion thinks the Imperium is a massive shithole

[crystal forum]

is my leman russ too small or something

[arctic talon]

no

[paper haven]

Depends on if Guilliman has forgiven Lion for nuking his home world to catch Konrad.

[arctic talon]

Land raiders are just

really big

lol

its why they were so bad for a while

[sour hornet]

From what I've been told, it is.

[crystal forum]

how big is the spartan

[winter vessel]

My first time knowing Leman I just thought he was just your typical drunk brute. But getting to really know him later on changes my perspective of the Wolf

[fallen plaza]

Also nice grey knights army in the background

[arctic talon]

Yeah the Imperium is a massive shit hole but Lions considering just burning it all down sometimes

[crystal forum]

fuck you i havent painted yet

[paper haven]

All the primarchs would be disgusted with the modern imperium

[arctic talon]

his reaction upon seeing the Ecclisarchy is Man I could just kill everyone in here and get this over with

[sour hornet]

The Lion nuked ultramar(?) to catch Konrad? Did he catch him?

[winter vessel]

they are a new space marine faction...THE UNPAINTED

[arctic talon]

Yeah they caught Konrad

but Lion didn't nuke it

he just uh

dropped drop pods

full of explosives

Guilliman said no orbital bombardment

Lions kind of a prick

[crystal forum]

stop pointing out my pile of shame

[paper haven]

The explosives were nukes

[arctic talon]

I forgor

ngl

[sour hornet]

bit of a dick move

by the Lion

[arctic talon]

Lion is universally kind of an asshole

he's only started mellowing out a bit

[queen laurel]

insane loophole found

[arctic talon]

once he woke up

[sour hornet]

so is he unpopular w/ his brothers?

[winter vessel]

its a step in the right direction

[sour hornet]

bc of his assholery?

[paper haven]

And phosphex? Although that might not be true

[crystal forum]

phosphex is dumb lore

[arctic talon]

Lion is very unpopular

with his brothers

[crystal forum]

random admech having a conscience

[arctic talon]

he's just seen as

[paper haven]

Lion doesn't play nice with others

[arctic talon]

not pleasant

the only primarch more disliked then Lion is Magnus

[winter vessel]

hehe

[fallen plaza]

That's why when the lion left they left there emo phase and no longer wore black

[paper haven]

What about Konrad?

[sour hornet]

Magnus the Red, the psyker guy, right?

[arctic talon]

Konrad was never fucking around

LOL

[sour hornet]

A bit fucked, but understandable

[arctic talon]

like

he just didn't talk with anyone

[paper haven]

Magnus dumb as hell.

[arctic talon]

bro was on his own

around the edges of the galaxy

brutally murdering people

[sour hornet]

Psykers are pretty smart though

[arctic talon]

Magnus was unwise

he was way too smart

[sour hornet]

So a primarch psyker should be Hella smart

[arctic talon]

Magnus was too smart for his own good

lol

[winter vessel]

Angron was just a tragedy

[arctic talon]

He's super intellgent without the wisdom to back it up

Which is probably why he didn't realize he was summoning fucking daemons

[paper haven]

He is very, very smart.
Which means he cannot possibly consider that he might be wrong.
Which means he is often very, very wrong.

[arctic talon]

to help his legion with their research on the warp

[sour hornet]

I mean, what daemon could fuck up a primarch? Aren't primarchs like right below the Emperor?

[arctic talon]

No but like

[winter vessel]

He was smart, but not wise. You can have all the knowledge of the galaxy but still lack wisdom

[arctic talon]

they daemons were corrupting his Legion

[crystal forum]

@fallen plaza do you like my leman russ?

[sour hornet]

They'd fuck a Daemon up no contest?

[arctic talon]

and corrupting him

he didn't realize it

but they were teaching him shit

that was like

not good

[fallen plaza]

How could I hate the Mars pattern russ

[arctic talon]

Magnus didn't realize he was being tricked

[paper haven]

They thought daemons were uh... Like benign warp entities. Nothing but psychic energy with no malice.

[arctic talon]

^

this

[sour hornet]

Oh...

[crystal forum]

it's not just mars pattern it's also gryphonne IV turret with storm bolter

the cannon is

[paper haven]

So they used them. Constantly.

[arctic talon]

Ignoring the fact that the Daemons taught them how to shoot fire that turned people

into like a squirming mass of living flesh

[crystal forum]

quite ridiculous

[arctic talon]

and the daemons would play it off as an "unfortunate side effect"

[crystal forum]

look at that boy

[winter vessel]

geez the size of that barrel

[paper haven]

Big gun

[sour hornet]

Okay, so I'm seeing where it went wrong. But couldn't he ask his dad for help?

[fallen plaza]

He's beautiful

[crystal forum]

this was an actual model

[paper haven]

HAHAHAHA

[crystal forum]

they fucking made this

[sour hornet]

Emperor should be smart enought to help?

[paper haven]

Well, he tried to. Once.

[fallen plaza]

I prefer the stubbier barrel tbh

[arctic talon]

His dad was the one who told him not to talk

With the daemons

[crystal forum]

proper vanquisher

[arctic talon]

Or anything in the warp

Magnus thought he knew better

Then both his dads

[paper haven]

Everyone was telling Magnus to cool it with the daemon shit.

Even the primarchs who liked psykers.

[arctic talon]

Ignoring the fact magnus literally ruined the pro psyker argument at Nikea

💀

[sour hornet]

Did he tell Magnus why not to talk to the warp? Why didn't the Emperor tell him about the chaos gods?

[crystal forum]

@fallen plaza

[sour hornet]

Or did he and Magnus ignored that tidbit?

[winter vessel]

Didn't one of his sons literally blow up into a warp flesh beast because of their ailment during that meeting?

[arctic talon]

Emperor told him not to talk to the warp because there’s ancient malevolent beings in it

[arctic talon]

No, the changling did it

[fallen plaza]

This what I meant

[crystal forum]

conqueror!

[arctic talon]

Magnus brought the changling with him

[crystal forum]

i have that too

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

conqueror is rare

i love it

[fallen plaza]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

As an example of his warp research being a good thing

You can guess how that went

[winter vessel]

Riiight, keep forgetting changelings exist

[arctic talon]

The changling genuinely like

Fucked with so many things

[crystal forum]

also

i can kill somebody with this brick of resin

i love it

[arctic talon]

Like Magnus ignored all the warnings and advice he was given

[arctic talon]

It’s no socknaut

But it’ll do

[sour hornet]

Bruh...

[arctic talon]

The changling killed like

[crystal forum]

the what lmao

[arctic talon]

12 dudes

[paper haven]

"Hey, so Psykers. They weild a lot of power and it seems like there might be some serious consequences for this. Should we ban the use of psychic powers?"
Pro psyker primarchs: "Now, hold on, if we simply restrain ourselves, we can still use them."
Magnus: "You're all idiots, there is nothing wrong with going full bore into daemon stuff and if you disagree it is because you are ignorant and scared."

[arctic talon]

Pewter dreadnought in a sock

Use it to hit someone

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[sour hornet]

Okay, so Magnus basically fucked himself and all his sons over immensely.

[crystal forum]

is there image of this

did somebody use a socknaut as a weapon

what is the origin of this

[sour hornet]

Like, almost completely his own fault.

[winter vessel]

For me at least, i'd chalk fucking up the 1k sons to Ahriman during the Rubric process

[paper haven]

And then Magnus destroyed the webway project, forcing the emperor to stay on the golden throne to prevent another eye of terror from opening up

[sour hornet]

Ahriman is one of Magnus' mates right?

Or do they fucking hate eachother?

[paper haven]

Ahriman is to Magnus what Magnus is to the Emperor. An arrogant son who thinks he knows better.

[winter vessel]

the genes are strong in that aspect

[paper haven]

Kinda funny, really.

[sour hornet]

Oh lord, it's just arrogance all the way down, isn't it?

[winter vessel]

too prideful to admit they are the problem, yes

[sour hornet]

I'm half-expecting to hear Ahriman has an underling that is an arrogant shit.

[paper haven]

Magnus fucked up, then Ahriman super fucked up.

[arctic talon]

No image of it, but it’s a long running meme

One of the greatest and most venerable memes

Of 40K

If you ever have a rules dispute grab your metal dreadnought shove it in a sock and use it to hit someone.

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-magnus-suddenly-daemons-gif-18135024

[crystal forum]

also wait doesnt pewter have lead

[arctic talon]

Yes

Lol

[crystal forum]

what the fuck

[arctic talon]

All 40K minis used to be pewter

[crystal forum]

lead poisoning explains this fanbase

[winter vessel]

metal models of Noughts still exist but aren't made anymore right?

[paper haven]

It really does

[arctic talon]

I’ve seen a metal dread dent a table before when it was dropped

[arctic talon]

I’ve seen a few in person

So I can confirm they’re real

[crystal forum]

is there any model still made of metal

[arctic talon]

Yes

But not pewter

[sour hornet]

Where is Magnus now? Alive?

[crystal forum]

which

[crystal forum]

aluminum?

[arctic talon]

Swooping hawks

[paper haven]

Uhhhh

[arctic talon]

Eldar

[sour hornet]

Or is Ahriman running shit basically?

[crystal forum]

or tin

tin right

[arctic talon]

It’s tin I think?

[crystal forum]

yeah like non toxic solder

just tin

[paper haven]

Would you count being a half physical daemon primarch as being alive?

[arctic talon]

He’s alive

[paper haven]

If so, then yes.

[arctic talon]

Ahriman is busy trying to reverse his fuck up

Of the rubric of Ahriman

Where he turned a majority of the legion into dust

[fallen plaza]

@crystal forum

[paper haven]

Ahriman is basically blacklisted from the legion because he. Well, he turned 90 percent of it into dust.

[fallen plaza]

There was an stl of this awhile

[sour hornet]

How the fuck does one even do that?

[arctic talon]

He found a powerful ritual to stop the flesh curse

[paper haven]

By trying to heeeelp

[winter vessel]

Its funny how full of himself he was at the result of it at first "YEAH I'M AWESOME"

[arctic talon]

He didn’t read the terms and conditions

[crystal forum]

im sexually confused

[fallen plaza]

How

[arctic talon]

Tbf all the sorcerers involved were hyped

They pulled it off

Then they went to go talk with their brothers

[crystal forum]

it looks like a chimera

[arctic talon]

And uh

you know

[paper haven]

They thought it would be great. But then. It wasn't great.

[crystal forum]

but also im not a fan of proxies that look like too much like real vehicles

[sour hornet]

Was it successful? Are they spirit guys, or are they literally fucking dead?

[arctic talon]

They're barely sentient dust constructs who live inside their armor

except for the powerful psykers

[paper haven]

What was it? All non-psychic thousand sons were turned to dust and bound to their armor like semi living machines.

[arctic talon]

who got way stronger from it

[winter vessel]

"let's see how handsome you look" takes off helmet "OH FUCK!"

[arctic talon]

All non psychic and weak psychich thousand sons

got turned to dust instantly

and yeah they're bound to their armor/dreadnought forever

[paper haven]

"All is dust." Is all they can say now.

[arctic talon]

on the otherhand they're immortal

[arctic talon]

they can also groan and nod + shake their head

[winter vessel]

really curious on fighting them when SM2 comes around

[paper haven]

Whoa. Progress!

[arctic talon]

but even if you kill a rubric marine

you can just recover his dust and shove it into a set of fresh armor

[sour hornet]

Did Ahriman do some self-reflecting at this colossal fuck up?

[arctic talon]

Yes

he's very sorry about it

and trying to fix it

[fallen plaza]

Sort of related, but this is my favorite conversion for the chimera lol

[arctic talon]

he also recently got unbanned

from Sotarius

[paper haven]

And then he decided to continue with his collossal fuck up

[sour hornet]

Sarcasm?

[arctic talon]

No like

he actually feels bad about it

and has been trying to fix it

its a big reason why he's allowed back on the Thousand Sons planet again

he's still like not liked at all for obvious reasons

[crystal forum]

turret is too far back

[paper haven]

Oh, they actually let him come back?

[crystal forum]

where does the infantry go

[arctic talon]

barely

he gets watched like a hawk

[fallen plaza]

It's supposed to be just a regular tank

[arctic talon]

and he needs to be accompanied everywhere

[paper haven]

Still though. If it was my buddies who got turned to dust because of him I'd be inclined to shoot on sight.

[sour hornet]

^

[crystal forum]

you can't you're dust

[sour hornet]

I'm wondering why they didn't murder him?

Like the powerful psyker marines?

[winter vessel]

get a vacuum

[paper haven]

Assuming I was not also turned to dust

[arctic talon]

because he's still a powerful psyker

people have tried to kill him

Ahriman is also Tzeentch's Chosen so

Tzeentch is unlikely to let him die forever

even if he does bite it

[paper haven]

In which case I wouldn't be inclined to do anything but I'd still be really really upset about it if I could feel anything.

[arctic talon]

Kharn, Lucius and Typhus

have all come back to life/from near death before

We're not sure what will happen if Ahriman dies/nearly dies

but its a good bet Tzeentch finds ahrimans suffering too entertaining to stop

[sour hornet]

Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle?

[paper haven]

Flesh change. Flesh change. Come on.

[arctic talon]

yep

Kharns been revived at least thrice

Lucius is lucius

Typhus has been revived once

[paper haven]

Kharn's a pretty cool guy.

[sour hornet]

What, is he like a chad?

[arctic talon]

No

[winter vessel]

a douche

[arctic talon]

he uh is cursed to never die

he's also an egotistical asshole + one of the best duelists alive

but he will never die

and he will never get his perfect duel

[paper haven]

He's a theatre kid with a sadomasochistic streak.

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh finds his suffering hilarious

Lucius quite literally wants to die

[crystal forum]

warhammer shorts suck so much ass

[sour hornet]

Isn't that a lot of chaos marines?

[crystal forum]

like oh cool marine who kill nurgle follower the end

[winter vessel]

if he tripped, would the Rock turn into him?

[sour hornet]

They aren't typically well adjusted folk

[paper haven]

Emperor's Children, yeah.

[crystal forum]

DONT SIGMAR REACT ME

[arctic talon]

Lucius is like

unhinged even by like

Emperors children standards

he's so obessesed with the perfect duel

its absurd

[paper haven]

He's lost like three duels.

[winter vessel]

Only badass who managed to do him in without feeling anything was Nykona Sharrowkyn of the Raven Guard

[fallen plaza]

One by loken

[crystal forum]

lucius is plot armour incarnate

literally

he cannot die

[arctic talon]

yeah his curse is

literally plot armor

[sour hornet]

Raven Guard sound based

[arctic talon]

he takes over the body of whoever kills them and then explodes out their body

[paper haven]

There was that one thousand sons duelist who cut his face

[crystal forum]

which is dumb since he's supposed to be the best sword guy

but he needs that crutch

[arctic talon]

Lucius usually doesn't die in duels

its not even a crutch

Lucius's ideal duel ends with him dead

slaanesh will never allow it

[winter vessel]

beneath their emo behavior, they actually give a damn about the common folk, not as much as the Jolly Green Giants of course

[paper haven]

Nykona explicitely didn't feel a thing when he killed him

[arctic talon]

Lucius wants to get the perfect duel that ends in his death

which is impossible

[sour hornet]

Is this used well narratively? Or does he just BS his way through events?

[arctic talon]

Uh

sort of?

[winter vessel]

bit of both

[arctic talon]

Lucius doesn't get much written on him

[crystal forum]

slaanesh the whole god fucking entity revives him

[paper haven]

The guy who made a mine that killed Lucious?

[arctic talon]

yeah that one is

kind of silly

but w/e

seeing how angry Lucius is about that death makes it worth it

[crystal forum]

chaos gods do whatever they want

[sour hornet]

I mean from a narrative standpoint, reviving your strongest soldier who's wish is to die is pretty fucking funny.

[paper haven]

It is fucking embarrassing.

[crystal forum]

except they cant stop MY BOY KALDOR DRAIGO

[arctic talon]

Its used decently in narrative stuff

[crystal forum]

lucius would die to draigo

[arctic talon]

Lucius also has used it to infiltrate places before

[crystal forum]

and draigo would out plot armour him

the battle of the plot armour

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-kaldor-draigo-tts-flames-gif-16083663

[sour hornet]

People compare them to the night haunters, but from what you guys are telling me they could not be further apart.

[crystal forum]

kaldor draigo the marie sue of 40k

[outer wave]

"Ah but the maker of Draigo's sword actually dies and becomes part of Lucius' face armor because he felt pride in his work!!!"

Fuckin' hate that shit

[arctic talon]

lol

that would

probably happen LOL

some poor fucking tech priest

fucking explodes into Lucius

[crystal forum]

you felt PRIDE you DIE

[paper haven]

They both use stealth. That's about where the similarities end.

[opaque coyote]

TTS Kaldor Draigo is my favorite lmao

[arctic talon]

The night lords hate fighting fair

[crystal forum]

gay PRIDE more like gay DEATH

[arctic talon]

the Raven Guard uh

The Raven Guard like sneaking around

[winter vessel]

well night lords practically run a business using the skin of their victims, the other does not. THAT's considered on e of the primary differences. Basic similarity is just their combat habits being stealth

[arctic talon]

and then going really fucking loud lol

[opaque coyote]

"Man I'm so happy I finally got my HRT. Heard about a guy named lucius tho-AAAAAAAAHHH"

[paper haven]

The night lords will seriously run away from any fight they aren't guaranteed to win

[opaque coyote]

explodes

[crystal forum]

slaanesh does a little trolling

[arctic talon]

the night lords also have a rule

to literally run away from a losing fight

and shoot backwards while running

[outer wave]

They should kill Lucius using HRT

[opaque coyote]

Night Lords moment

[winter vessel]

"TEAM NIGHT LORDS' IS BLASTING OFF AGAIN!"

[arctic talon]

also their other rule in heresy

is literally kicking while the enemy is down lol

[crystal forum]

night lords the shitty version of raven guard

[arctic talon]

as in when you outnumber them

[sour hornet]

these guys are space marines? ostensibly loyal at one point?

[arctic talon]

Yep!

[sour hornet]

were they always asswipes?

[arctic talon]

they were always sadistic cowards yes

well

"cowards"

they're smart

[paper haven]

Even loyalist Night Lords were sadistic cowards

[arctic talon]

heh

is what they claim

they've grown more of a spine

since falling to Chaos

ironically

[sour hornet]

The Emperor himself sanctioned this bullshit?

[arctic talon]

No

LOL

he didn't know

wtf the Night Lords were up to

[paper haven]

But they kinda had a point, what with how they didn't really destroy infrastrusture and actually killed less people overall

[arctic talon]

he knew Konrad was like skinning babies and stuff

but he didn't know the entire Legion was doing that for compliance

[sour hornet]

?!?!?!??!

Fucking WHAT

[paper haven]

Oh the Emperor definitely knew.

[arctic talon]

Konrad didn't skin babies

He skinned children

but close enough

[paper haven]

He said go ahead.

[dusky scroll]

How is Necromunda still breathable?
Like, afaik there are megafactories constantly oozing CO2 and toxic fumes for the past 10K years. And there are no flora to be absorbing that.

[sour hornet]

Bro why the fuck

[queen laurel]

ohh that obviously makes the blow less painful

[arctic talon]

There's a ton of equipment used to purify it

[arctic talon]

Because turns out it gets people to surrender

and it works

[outer wave]

He saw those kids stealing bread and knew they'd had to die

[paper haven]

To keep planets loyal.

[dusky scroll]

who runs them?

[winter vessel]

I feel like he did it for shits and giggles. "Hey Malcador yk what would be funny?" "lets make these guys clinically insane and murderous" "you got it Big E!"

[sour hornet]

I'm

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus, smaller guilds, ect.

Okay to be fair

[sour hornet]

I'm starting to fucking hate the Emperor

[arctic talon]

the average night lords legionary isn't that way

because of like

geneseed

[paper haven]

See, a planet rebels against the imperium.

[sour hornet]

He seems like a colossal dick

[queen laurel]

good because it can get worse

[winter vessel]

join the club, we got jackets

[arctic talon]

they're that way because of culture + nostromo

[paper haven]

The Night Lords go in.

[arctic talon]

The Night Lords were noted as being

very effective at achiving compliance

very few losses

very little ammo spent

[paper haven]

They torture a city to death and record it, then show it to the rest of the planet. That planet surrenders immediately.

[arctic talon]

and very little infastructure and people killed

just don't ask what happened to the people killed

[winter vessel]

Having watched Alien Romulus, Nostromo and Nostramo are messing me up with their names

[arctic talon]

lol

"I helped conquer a thousand worlds. Did anyone ever call me Skaros the Worldtaker? No."

"I killed dozens of loyalists captains. Did anyone ever call me Skaros the Champion? No!"

“But you skin a few babies”

Quote from Skaros the Infantflayer

(this isn't an actual quote but its pretty accurate)

[sour hornet]

Maybe sanctioning colossal, child-skinning jerkwads is why people don't like the Imperium.

Maybe?

[arctic talon]

just a slight chance

its one of many

[winter vessel]

don't forget them having captured a fleet, hover it above the planet thinking they won. then proceed to pull a dump truck disposing the trash move by throwing the dead crew mates into the cheering crowds

[paper haven]

The planet was already trying to surrender by the time it was over.

[queen laurel]

There is also a concentration camps blowing up planets skinning someone alive to make a point, and if they feel like it they can just kind of send you to the void and get eaten alive, experimentation on the populace and lack of care

[sour hornet]

Did these guys fall to chaos? What God do they serve?

[arctic talon]

this was after they fell to chaos wasn't it

they fell to chaos

they're undivided

they're also the second most fractured legion

[paper haven]

Too bad the NIght Lords weren't ready to accept that surrender

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah and if they think you have a mutation they will "cure" it

[arctic talon]

and a lot of them ended up part of the Raptor cult

which means

they're technically not undivided

they're worshiping some weird fucking up creature

and it gifts them mutations

[paper haven]

Raptor cults are weird

[arctic talon]

mmmmm warptalons

[winter vessel]

art for the Raptors goes heard ngl

[paper haven]

My favorite night lords moment is when they pranked the salamanders

[arctic talon]

Raptor Cults honestly fit into like

[sour hornet]

Pranked?

[arctic talon]

the night lords so well

they cause terror, cause horrific bodily harm, like to take living prisoners for brutal sacrifices

the last part is new

[sour hornet]

Their primarch died and caused this, right?

[arctic talon]

but the first two boy those are night lord specials

[arctic talon]

They were already breaking apart, Curze hated his sons

but his death sure as shit accelerated it

[sour hornet]

They were just like him though?

[winter vessel]

and yet Bricky thinks the Carhcharodons are the most edge lord like Astartes, when the one Astartes faction he loves are edge lords to the 10th degree

[paper haven]

Planet goes rogue, Salamanders go in. Get ready to attack a city. The city doesn't shoot at them. There's no guards. They find the entire population skinned and piled up in the city center.
Turns out Night Lords just snuck past the Salamanders the night before.

[fallen plaza]

I remember this when the necromancer first was revealed

[sour hornet]

[arctic talon]

Curze claimed he was doing it for "Justice" and "rightousness"

[queen laurel]

he let the assassin kill him right

[arctic talon]

and "clensing the galaxy of filth"

the night lords uh

they were doing it for fun

[sour hornet]

Great, I fucking hate him even more.

[winter vessel]

yeah, for vindication of his actions

[arctic talon]

Curze was also like

batshit insane by the way

he saw the future constantly

[paper haven]

Konrad had a twisted sense of justice. His sons were just psychopaths

[arctic talon]

post heresy the whole cultural thing of the night lords

is just inhereted

[paper haven]

With the possible exception of a few notable Night Lords.

[arctic talon]

pre and during heresy it was absolutely like

because of the recruitment base

[sour hornet]

Wait, the primarchs are his sons. So does that mean that Konrad gets a part of himself from the Emperor?

[paper haven]

The instant Konrad left his home planet they went right back to being murderous psychopaths

[winter vessel]

I like Malcharion

[fallen plaza]

I think it would be better if anyone can link him a pirate copy of the night Lords books

[sour hornet]

Like Curze being a murdering fuckwad is partly genetic?

[arctic talon]

maybe? unclear

[fallen plaza]

Like it's way more interesting to learn in the books

[paper haven]

Yep. Possibly the inherent sense of justice and some psychic ability

[arctic talon]

Oh his future sight

was absolutely from the Emperor

sanguinus also got these

but they coped very differently

LOL

[paper haven]

Plus, the Emperor also blinded Konrad when they first met. Which was definitely on purpose.

[arctic talon]

Bro was a walking flashbang

[paper haven]

Prank him, Big E.

[winter vessel]

didn't even use his psychic powers, just threw a Flashbang he kept when he was living in the 21st century, lol

[fallen plaza]

East Europeans when they see something bright, happy, and cheery

[paper haven]

I do sort of love that the Night Lords are eastern European coded.

[sour hornet]

Sanguinius was the angel twink w/ wings right? He got the exact same future sight as Konrad?

[paper haven]

Except Konrad only saw bad futures.

[sour hornet]

Nuture issue?

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[paper haven]

Absolutely.

[arctic talon]

Konrad also

Ran towards his fate

Sanguinus tried avoiding it for as long as possible

[winter vessel]

idk know about the twink aspect, I refer that to ol Fulgrim. But yes, he got the future sight as well, but saw the beneficial outcomes.

[arctic talon]

Konrad would actively do shit so like

His visions would remain true

[paper haven]

He was convinced that his fate was inevitable, so did everything to ensure it happened.

[sour hornet]

They're both dead from what I understand, so go figure.

[arctic talon]

Yeeep

[paper haven]

Yeah but konrad was killed by like. A human

[arctic talon]

Calling a Callidus assassin a human is inaccurate tbf

They’re augmented to the gills

[paper haven]

True but.

Come on

[arctic talon]

But he did let her kill him

There was no way

She could kill him

Realistically

[paper haven]

Meanwhile Sanguinius got killed by Horus himself

[winter vessel]

me knowing about the Calldius assassin, Mother Gullet: yeah that sounds about right

[sour hornet]

Did Curze get screwed with his vision? Or did they both have the same ability, except Curze wanted to see the worst future.

[arctic talon]

Curze wanted to see the worst future always tbh

[fallen plaza]

Guh spoilers!!!! 1! 1! 1! 1!

[arctic talon]

And he made sure it would happen

[paper haven]

Right, sorry. Spoiler warning: Horus betrays the emperor.

[winter vessel]

Le Gasp

[crisp heath]

i was abt to read the horus heresy thats kinda fucked up man

[paper haven]

I know. It sounds impossible.

[paper haven]

Not Horus, right? But yeah. He does a heresy.

[sour hornet]

I know ofc know major events, but a ton of this is new to me.

[winter vessel]

Horus is a bad guy??????

[sour hornet]

It's a lot more nuanced than I ever thought

[paper haven]

A horus heresy. If you will.

[arctic talon]

They’re messing around

[fallen plaza]

This is a bit

[arctic talon]

[winter vessel]

we do a little funny here and there

[fallen plaza]

Wrong

[paper haven]

I actually really do love how the Horus Heresy books portray the pre heresy legions

[fallen plaza]

We are very serious

[sour hornet]

Conrad slipping by the Salamanders to skin a whole city is fucking new to me, yes 😭

[fallen plaza]

Serious nerds only

[paper haven]

Later that same book, Vulkan burns a child to death

[sour hornet]

The worst part is that it really is solely for the laughs

[sour hornet]

[winter vessel]

man went clothes shopping for skin like going to a JC Penny

[fallen plaza]

Can we just link him the book intead of showing him the highlights

[arctic talon]

I don’t have it

💀

[winter vessel]

IW would say something like that

[paper haven]

Konrad does nothing that entire book except fuck with Vulkan for giggles.

[fallen plaza]

Link him the moth trove

[winter vessel]

the only pdf book copy I have is Rynn's world

[sour hornet]

Does he actually wear skin, or are you all fucking with me?

[arctic talon]

Ignore that

Sorry

[arctic talon]

Yes

The nightlords wear skin

[paper haven]

Yes he actually wears skin

[arctic talon]

A lot of it

In fact

[paper haven]

Usually a cape

Sometimes. Not a cape.

[sour hornet]

A primarch sized cape of human skin

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c8/KonradCurzeCrusade.png/revision/latest?cb=20231018075603

[winter vessel]

Night Lord goes to his closet of skin "Hmm what do I feel like wearing today?"

[paper haven]

He stitched it together himself.

[sour hornet]

what the fuck Emperor

[arctic talon]

This is my favorite skin piece

On nightlords art

[winter vessel]

this is what new moms see as their "little bundle of joy" after giving birth

[paper haven]

I'm pretty damn sure a Night Lord has infiltrated a person's house wearing the face of one of their loved ones over their helmet and playing recordings of their voice.

[sour hornet]

how does it keep getting worse

[sour hornet]

Why is this an emoji you have