Watched it with my family
#40k-lore-chat
rose thorn
paper stirrup
HURT ME PLENTY
fallen plaza
Like you don't need the characters to mention it's a shitfuck pattern assgun everytime to make the nerds come
arctic talon
Sentenced to Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightous on Unfair
tough haven
Have we gotten anything on what the show will even be about?
arctic talon
paper stirrup
uralon sending his little Word Bearer gimps after you
rocky gale
Rogue Trader has the benefit of not using the Pathfinder system
fallen plaza
Have we gotten anything on what the show will even be about?
No
crystal forum
Have we gotten anything on what the show will even be about?
rumors are eisenhorn as far as i can tell but who tf knows
rose thorn
is one of owlcats easier games
I heard the chaos path is harder but I’ve been avoiding spoilers and playing at a snails pace
arctic talon
Rumors are eisenhorn because of an old ass project GW had
thats been dead since 2012
arctic talon
I heard the chaos path is harder but I’ve been avoiding spoilers and playing at ...
its not
paper stirrup
its also just an easier game
unfortunately i suck as crpg building so its actual aids for me
arctic talon
its not as hard as the pathfinder games
tough haven
rumors are eisenhorn as far as i can tell but who tf knows
Please oh gods dont make it another fuckin "Imperium vs chaos where we can paint the imperium as the lesser evil"
its so overdone
crystal forum
thats been dead since 2012
i feel like it's the same project that was revived
tough haven
I swear if its just bolterporn ill scream
arctic talon
imo my tierlist for owlcat difficutly is like
paper stirrup
my only good characters were my vanguard abelard and my assassin idira
the rest of my characters were garbage
fallen plaza
I swear if its just bolterporn ill scream
If it's bolterporn on screen it's fine
On a book though?
crystal forum
Please oh gods dont make it another fuckin "Imperium vs chaos where we can paint...
like i said it will be on amazon so expect it to have to handhold the watchers who have literally never heard of 40k
fallen plaza
Insufferable
tough haven
imo my tierlist for owlcat difficutly is like
I'm gonna play it again once the dlc comes out on max difficulty along with mods that make it harder
arctic talon
Wrath is the hardest
Kingmaker
Rogue Trader
Rogue Trader is the easiest by far
Wrath makes me actively want
paper stirrup
An aos show would have been so much easier to make
40k is way more popular than aos so
tough haven
like i said it will be on amazon so expect it to have to handhold the watchers w...
Thats fine, but please just showcase more of the larger setting than just "muh imperium"
tough haven
like I wanna see xenos shit
paper stirrup
i've only played rogue trader
tough haven
Gimme orks
rose thorn
40k is way more popular than aos so
Actually it’s pretty equal, it’s just 40k fans are louder
fallen plaza
40k is way more popular than aos so
The problem is 40k kinda sucks and fantasy doesn't suck
rose thorn
Yeah
paper stirrup
das what i meant
arctic talon
its 40% of all GW's profits still
paper stirrup
40k makes more dollahs
tough haven
Rogue Trader is the easiest by far
We'll see how rogue trader feels after I remove the between fight healing in a game with few healing options
fallen plaza
If it's a good story it will make money no matrer
paper stirrup
skaven my beloved
arctic talon
rocky gale
TBH I think AoS is a bigger growth market than 40k
rose thorn
AOS has a consistent fan base
paper stirrup
i love all things Diseased and Stinky
arctic talon
i love all things Diseased and Stinky
Pestilns mf'er
rose thorn
Yeha
crystal forum
Actually it’s pretty equal, it’s just 40k fans are louder
straight up cap
arctic talon
AoS is around 35% of GW's profits rn, 40% is 40k
rose thorn
AOS has so much cool fantasy stuff a show could push it
arctic talon
and like the other stuff is like
rose thorn
AoS is around 35% of GW's profits rn, 40% is 40k
Yay!!!
arctic talon
side games and stuff
fallen plaza
Maybe if the storm cast get a steam tank I'll play the game
crystal forum
fantasy is overdone on amazon
rose thorn
How much is paint making?
tough haven
fantasy is overdone on amazon
so true
paper stirrup
they make a surprsing amount from middle earth iirc
crystal forum
it already has so many fantasy shows
rose thorn
Lmao
paper stirrup
yeah
rose thorn
I wanna get into middle earth
fallen plaza
Tolkien estate will never have to work again In there lives smh
paper stirrup
you've never read the hobbit?
arctic talon
Maybe if the storm cast get a steam tank I'll play the game
you get steam tanks in cities of sigmar already
paper stirrup
or lotr?
rose thorn
Nope
paper stirrup
never seen the movies??
rocky gale
I think a lot of the Middle Earth stuff is bought by collectors rather than players
paper stirrup
im genuinely surprised
rose thorn
I want more cities of sigmar ironweld stuff
We probably are tbh
paper stirrup
I think a lot of the Middle Earth stuff is bought by collectors rather than play...
table top too hard me just want paint little men
rocky gale
Pray the second Cities wave is coming
fallen plaza
give me Cogforts
I would like cities more if it wasn't so busy
arctic talon
the pinnacle of Dwarven and Human engineering
crystal forum
Tolkien estate will never have to work again In there lives smh
annoys me but at least it's not a company that owns the IP
rose thorn
the pinnacle of Dwarven and Human engineering
YESSSSSS
I loved it in hammer and bolter
paper stirrup
the pinnacle of Dwarven and Human engineering
arctic talon
shove in an elf gunner and you're cooking
paper stirrup
done
arctic talon
that thing literally blows up on 2's
paper stirrup
uh yeah sorry you hate fun
rocky gale
I would like cities more if it wasn't so busy
I built the Ironweld Great Cannon a couple weeks ago and I didn't put half the scenery stuff on it and it's already so cluttered
paper stirrup
loser
arctic talon
smh
crystal forum
plasma hater
fallen plaza
I built the Ironweld Great Cannon a couple weeks ago and I didn't put half the s...
Remove the shield lol
arctic talon
and fucking 4's if you overcharge them
rose thorn
What do you think the new stormcast stuff will be?
arctic talon
uhhh
rose thorn
and **fucking 4's** if you overcharge them
WHAT
arctic talon
actually
paper stirrup
if your army isn't half dead from friendly fire you're not doing it right
rose thorn
oh
arctic talon
they're not as stupid in AoS
paper stirrup
i think we are all talking about different thigns im talking abotu total warhmmer 3
arctic talon
please do not tell me you need to roll for scatter dice in your fucking army
on a misfire
Skaven in Total War
are lame
they're way too consistent
lol
rose thorn
please do not tell me you need to roll for scatter dice in your fucking army
You pick a unit with a specific key word to overcharge their weapon
arctic talon
if my skryre guns aren't blowing up semi frequently
then that isn't skryre tech
smh
rose thorn
And on a one it dies
paper stirrup
if my skryre guns aren't blowing up semi frequently
i DON'T WANT THEM
arctic talon
oh
arctic talon
huh
rose thorn
If you over charge it
arctic talon
I haven't played against any of the big skryre guns
in AoS
recently
since like 1e
in fact actually lol
rocky gale
Didn't GW say that Skaven wouldn't get rules in Old World because like "They aren't a thing yet in this time period"
arctic talon
no
rose thorn
in fact actually lol
rocky gale
I thought they did
rocky gale
Hmm
rose thorn
My bad I got it mixed up with 3e’s
fallen plaza
Chorfs are eating nothing though
arctic talon
YES YES KILL THE MAN THING
fallen plaza
Chorf W
crystal forum
rose thorn
And
rose thorn
crystal forum
we desperately need skaven in 40k
arctic talon
no we don't
crystal forum
yes
paper stirrup
yeah we do
arctic talon
they've already been chopped up
crystal forum
i need my comedy
arctic talon
and split across multiple factions
rocky gale
If you want Skaven just buy AoS
rose thorn
So you can max out at 18 attacks
tough haven
we desperately need skaven in 40k
imperium is skaven
arctic talon
the Imperium are literally most Skaven traits
tough haven
along with orks
crystal forum
If you want Skaven just buy AoS
i hate fantasy
arctic talon
Orks occupy the other part
rose thorn
If you want Skaven just buy AoS
That’s literlkay what they officially say too it’s funny
paper stirrup
imperium is skaven
red pill
crystal forum
imperium is skaven
orks
rocky gale
i hate fantasy
Then cope and or seethe
tough haven
along with orks
what I said
arctic talon
its so fucking apparent the Imperium is a Skaven analogue to an extent
crystal forum
Then cope and or seethe
keep getting more models removed from the store nerd
fallen plaza
@rocky gale look how cool tbis is without the shield
arctic talon
It looks better without the shield
rocky gale
Hmm
arctic talon
tbh
rocky gale
I like the shield though
rose thorn
THEY HAVE WHEELS?!
fallen plaza
That's how cluttered it is
crystal forum
no they carry the 4 ton iron cannon on their backs
paper stirrup
when are those new warplock jezzail models coming out
fallen plaza
Can't even see the wheels smh
rose thorn
I like the shield though
Me too
arctic talon
when are those new warplock jezzail models coming out
They're out already technically
for individual purpose
paper stirrup
ugh Stupid
paper stirrup
i want them NOOOOOOW
paper stirrup
individually
rocky gale
Yea the shield is what fits it in with the whole Castelite formation
arctic talon
okay then yeah
rose thorn
did you not know that <:vox:925922732342923275>
I thoight cities don’t use wheel anymore because of cult of wheel
arctic talon
I dunno when the fuck thats happening
rose thorn
arctic talon
I thoight cities don’t use wheel anymore because of cult of wheel
I don't think the Ironweld armories give a shit
fallen plaza
rose thorn
Fair
crystal forum
space marines??
paper stirrup
god i love them
rose thorn
Yeah new skaven are really good n
And they have the most developed rules atm out of all the indexes
fallen plaza
space marines??
Yes
fallen plaza
Ew
crystal forum
mmmh
fallen plaza
Why would I want batteries over gunpowder
rose thorn
god i love them
Fun fact! In warcry this can one shot a lot of models
paper stirrup
And they have the most developed rules atm out of all the indexes
i don't play table top i just think they look cool and i like the idea of a little rat man with an anti material rifle
paper stirrup
Fun fact! In warcry this can one shot a lot of models
so proud
crystal forum
Fun fact! In warcry this can one shot a lot of models
because batteries can double as explosives if you shoot them
wrong ping
tough haven
i don't play table top i just think they look cool and i like the idea of a litt...
Silly-funny rat-guys
tough haven
I imagine its like WAAAGH!
fallen plaza
because batteries can double as explosives if you shoot them
So can gunpowder
tough haven
an army rule thats limited time effect
crystal forum
So can gunpowder
gunpowder smells like shit and leaves smoke. nerd
rocky gale
Yea Warcry is AoS Killteam
paper stirrup
ok thx
crystal forum
does warcry have giant cannon
fallen plaza
gunpowder smells like shit and leaves smoke. nerd
First off we are not talking blackpowder, second, batteries smell worse
fallen plaza
Gunpowder
crystal forum
semtex?
fallen plaza
Not blackpowder
crystal forum
smokeless powder?
fallen plaza
Smokeless
crystal forum
ah good so fantasy has 19th century technology
crystal forum
very cool
fallen plaza
The mariamburg landship is a masterpiece
winged jacinth
the old world setting (idk anything about AOS) was like renaissance in the human areas
dwarves and skaven were ahead
fallen plaza
crystal forum
inventing the steam engine to make war machines and not industrializing your nation
peak
winged jacinth
yeah i think the empire had like workhouses and shit
crystal forum
doesn't seem to be using a lot of manufactured goods
winged jacinth
people just dont know whf lore because they only wrote like 2 good series
again what are you talking about
they have whole platoons in identical steel armor
like im not a whf guy but the context clues are there without digging
crystal forum
bruh
winged jacinth
the leonardo daVinci expy got the idea of steam engines from the dwarves anyway
crystal forum
steam cars are pretty cool irl tbh
insane amounts of torque
not a lot of speed though
they were used for farming equipment
fallen plaza
Wood gas is more interesting potential wise in the modern day
Because you can actually convert a regular car to run on wood
storm jungle
guys, make Jay pay his Altdorf window tax
fallen plaza
Your the warden you should enforce that silly
storm jungle
Just like real life medieval groups why do that when i can send my GOONS to do it
rose thorn
Yea Warcry is AoS Killteam
clsoer to old killteams then new*
fallen plaza
Just like real life medieval groups why do that when i can send my GOONS to do i...
Pay me almost as much as your warden salary
rocky gale
clsoer to old killteams then new*
Really?
crystal forum
guys, make Jay pay his Altdorf window tax
do i need to look up what that means
fallen plaza
Yes
rocky gale
I've got two Warcry teams but never played
crystal forum
i looked it up and i still dont get it
crystal forum
please explain to me
storm jungle
please explain to me
Karl Franz raised the window tax in Altfdorf the capital
it was a joke about how medieval monarchs raise the tax for stupid shit
riots ensued
he made horsemen run the peasants over
lmao
crystal forum
what's the window tax
storm jungle
1 sec
fallen plaza
what's the window tax
You are taxed based on how many windows you have
fallen plaza
Because back then glass was much more valuable and a sign of wealth
fallen plaza
Poor's can't do that lol
crystal forum
rich people evading taxes since forever i see
fallen plaza
rich people evading taxes since forever i see
Jay discoveres real life
arctic talon
so like just an open hole in the wall
at least irl
I'm not sure if the window tax was that way in WHF
dusk patrol
Tfw my house gets taxed for an extra windhole cause I get Jay living in it
arctic talon
also in France it got really bad, some of the tax collectors would try to count chimneys as Windows
and other inane shit
crystal forum
oh it happened during the late 1600's to 1700's
arctic talon
yes
dusk patrol
You know it occurs to me maybe monarchy isn’t the best idea
rocky gale
What?
crystal forum
tell the british that
fallen plaza
Nah
dusk patrol
That or a lottocracy
crystal forum
did you know my country has it written in our charter of rights that the monarchy can dissolve our parliament for no provided reason
gray umbra
Dilara gets free darktide cosmetics for being a warden
dusk patrol
<:incest:797378759321321473>
crystal forum
i'm not even british
fallen plaza
Fortunately
rocky gale
fallen plaza
Why would you be British by choice
crystal forum
i wish we went the US route
fallen plaza
I don't get it
paper stirrup
bro who is barry
crystal forum
it's Cyrillic i cant read it
crystal forum
barry
paper stirrup
Order of Barry
fallen plaza
That is hilarious
dusk patrol
But if no one can read it is not offensive
paper stirrup
who tf barry tho
crystal forum
it's barry
dusk patrol
who tf barry tho
storm jungle
It was me Barry
paper stirrup
https://tenor.com/view/barry-hbo-bill-hader-eating-season3-gif-26323228
peak television
arctic talon
waking up extra early to be a hater
dusk patrol
Very good show
fallen plaza
waking up extra early to be a hater
Can relate
paper stirrup
i love you goonhammer where would i be without you
fallen plaza
Better probably
dusk patrol
Ichabod fucking things up for young Barry so he doesn’t have any childhood friends is always amusing
storm jungle
Zoom is the kind of guy to start the Horus Heresy because some random Astartes invasion kills Barry's homeworld somewhere
fallen plaza
I admire his pettyness
dusk patrol
fallen plaza
He is aspirational in that
gray umbra
I will destroy timelines just to troll you for something outside of your control
crystal forum
Zoom is the kind of guy to start the Horus Heresy because some random Astartes i...
is that not a good reason
dusk patrol
For him it is
dusk patrol
Truly beyond obsessed
fallen plaza
Literally me
paper stirrup
Zoom is the kind of guy to start the Horus Heresy because some random Astartes i...
that is a good reason
crystal forum
like if my whole family gets killed because some guy has daddy issues
dusk patrol
And he can’t ever be killed permanently
gray umbra
Hes the ultimate lazy ambitious karen
fallen plaza
Probably wouldn't work on him
storm jungle
remember
fallen plaza
Get like a daemon blade
crystal forum
Probably wouldn't work on him
has it been tried though
crystal forum
i'd win
fallen plaza
Okay maybe I'm not that gay
gray umbra
Hes a real nice guy
storm jungle
LMAO
yeah she says no
and he literally just
fucking grabs her hand
and is like
"die"
shakes her violently
gray umbra
Incel energy
storm jungle
and she disappears
arctic talon
Incel energy
crystal forum
horus makes her bodyguard an astartes just because he had to deal with that lady
dusk patrol
Hell to Pay was a good movie with him in it, also rare case of a speedster making sense
Also everyone fucking dies almost
storm jungle
I respect them a lot for explaining why Zoom didnt kill everyone
even Deadshot mentions it lol
Speedsters in general are so fucking stupid
rocky gale
dusk patrol
Normally they jsut do some lame “Erm we’re both using the speed force so urm we can’t undo everything or blitz the planet apart”
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eoba...
Narrator: But as it would turn out, they very much were not.
dusk patrol
Meanwhile Pym particles hiding in a corner trying not to be noticed
gray umbra
Dc universe babyy
dusk patrol
storm jungle
its the entire reason I made my speedster (a character i designed out of boredom) like an anti-hero.
Her reasoning for not killing everyone instantly is because she just doesnt want to at the moment
lmao
dusk patrol
So she’s stupid
green loom
Does anyone remember the Cancerverse
gray umbra
She can do anything she wants to but is just oppressively lazy
dusk patrol
The lesson is, “don’t do speedsters”
storm jungle
Nah
my reasoning is a lot better than half the shit actual speedsters do tbh
"muh speedforce"
dusk patrol
Or you have the quicksilver version where he can’t turn it off and it’s actually a painful tortuous experience
green loom
The lesson is, “don’t do speedsters”
I will do whomsoever I wish
storm jungle
people also really do not understand how most people would treat superpowers in general if they had them lol
dusk patrol
I will do whomsoever I wish
Barry do be cheeked up
green loom
Also WOW character adopts are expensive
gray umbra
"Muh sandevistan" david martinez 2076
rose thorn
Guy in cursed city is named horusy
storm jungle
Also WOW character adopts are expensive
slop slop slop
rose thorn
I’m going insane
storm jungle
Guy in cursed city is named horusy
you're lying
rose thorn
Nope
storm jungle
green loom
**slop slop slop**
Hey they're pretty and they sell
dusk patrol
"Muh sandevistan" david martinez 2076
crystal forum
DC heroes gaining the power to reshape the universe because they stepped on a radioactive lego piece
dusk patrol
whomp whomp
gray umbra
I fell into a vat of acid and my skin turned green
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-david-martinez-adam-smasher-sandevi...
Why didnt Adam do this to V
oh yeah because hes stupid
dusk patrol
I do think the Sandevistan is mostly a pretty good way to do “speedster” as an idea
dusk patrol
Why didnt Adam do this to V
oh yeah because hes stupid
Iirc if you use one around him he does this now
rose thorn
Oh shit we talking dc lore
storm jungle
Iirc if you use one around him he does this now
YEAH BUT ITS LAMER
dusk patrol
But yes Adam Smasher is pretty stupid
storm jungle
i mean
dusk patrol
He’s also just based as fuck
storm jungle
he is from New York
dusk patrol
He’s not a psychopath
gray umbra
U look like a fuckable piece of meat
dusk patrol
He’s a high functioning psychopath
rose thorn
Why does Gotham have so many cults
dusk patrol
U look like a fuckable piece of meat
UwU
gray umbra
Because batman needs more villains
dusk patrol
Now we know why he’s called Smash her
rose thorn
Does Detroit have cults??
crystal forum
why does gotham suck so much
rose thorn
why does gotham suck so much
Low rent
dusk patrol
It’s because this
storm jungle
why does gotham suck so much
ever since its founding its literally been a cursed city lol
rocky gale
From what I remember Gotham is built on some sort of evil demon rift and it keeps seeping negative energy into the city
rose thorn
That too
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-your...
You really love that gif don't ya
crystal forum
does gotham actually have an origin story
opaque coyote
Also
dusk patrol
why does gotham suck so much
It’s got a lot of bullshit going against it
celest dome
Isn't it built on the Lazarus lake ?
rose thorn
does gotham actually have an origin story
Yes lmao
dusk patrol
You really love that gif don't ya
Yes
gray umbra
From what I remember Gotham is built on some sort of evil demon rift and it keep...
Frfr?
celest dome
Which is a bad idea
dusk patrol
It’s hard to stress how much effort Bruce puts into trying to fix it
And Thomas Wayne did
And how much they were working against
gray umbra
I think red hood had the best idea
crystal forum
why did they keep building up gotham instead of just not building on the evil braingate
rose thorn
does gotham actually have an origin story
Gotham is cursed, also like all of the rich people in Gotham are super corrupt and there is a secret society who also makes things terrible
opaque coyote
does gotham actually have an origin story
Yup.
Literally fucking cursed, built above the Lazarus lake.
celest dome
why did they keep building up gotham instead of just not building on the evil br...
Most people don't know it i think
dusk patrol
Mfw
rose thorn
Ah yes the court of owls
Yeah that’s the main one, but also fuckin uhhhh
opaque coyote
why did they keep building up gotham instead of just not building on the evil br...
They had no idea the lake was even there
crystal forum
Gotham is cursed, also like all of the rich people in Gotham are super corrupt a...
so new york
dusk patrol
Court of Owls are a big reason it’s so shit
gray umbra
Jesus how many secret societies do they have
dusk patrol
Other forces too
dusk patrol
Jesus how many secret societies do they have
At least four that I recall
opaque coyote
so new york
Yeah pretty much, Gotham is based off of New York
opaque coyote
Except with BLIMPS
crystal forum
new york if the corruption was more cartoony
opaque coyote
Oh yeah and also cheap rent
rose thorn
Court, kobra, ra shal ghoul, and one more
opaque coyote
Due to how shitty Gotham is, the rent is actually cheap there
crystal forum
Oh yeah and also cheap rent
i'd live there
opaque coyote
It's why people even live there
gray umbra
Ok so not like ny
dusk patrol
It’s a mix of New York and Chicago
opaque coyote
It’s hard to stress how much effort Bruce puts into trying to fix it
It has been mentioned that Batman actually did decrease regular crime.
In fact, most of the major crime are by supervillains
Which isn't good. But in general, crime in Gotham has actually gone down
dusk patrol
A lot of the older looking architecture references Chicago a lot
opaque coyote
So Batman's crusade does actually have a tangible effect
dusk patrol
But it’s not a 1:1 obviously for either
crystal forum
good thing systemic problems can be fixed by vigilante rich people. thanks neoliberalism!
dusk patrol
So Batman's crusade does actually have a tangible effect
Yeah
opaque coyote
A lot of the older looking architecture references Chicago a lot
Oh yeah also don't forget the urban decay of detroit
dusk patrol
The Arkham series shows the progress better
rose thorn
good thing systemic problems can be fixed by vigilante rich people. thanks neoli...
Batman handles like 10% of the problems tbh
opaque coyote
good thing systemic problems can be fixed by vigilante rich people. thanks neoli...
The funniest thing is that Bruce Wayne also does plenty.
Charity, buying into infrastructure, etc.
It's just that the system is literally so shit that just being "Bruce Wayne" won't do anything
So he has to break the rules, as Batman
gray umbra
I remember red hood put a bullet through penguins eye and then surprisesurprise hes still alive
rocky gale
and the whole "Batman beats up poor people rather than actually helping" ignores that like he also does a shit ton of work trying to fix social issues and as Bruce Wayne funds orphanages, schools, hospitals, clinics and even universities all free of charge.
crystal forum
would be incredibly tone deaf if he single handedly removed all crime tbh
rose thorn
Ye builds entire districts and communities to help less income families
He also hires ex cons
opaque coyote
would be incredibly tone deaf if he single handedly removed all crime tbh
Crime still does happen and ofc there's the supervillains
But it has lessened
Honestly it's more the system's fault since Batman simply just gives them up
Because he knows that the Court needs to decide
Of course, the court decides instead of putting them in an actual prison
Or death row
Or life
Instead, they get put in Arkham
rose thorn
If this dissolves to the Batman killing argument I’m gonna scream
crystal forum
the joker would be put on a war tribunal irl lol
rocky gale
Maybe Bane was right, just nuke the city
gray umbra
Whats the batman killing argument
dusk patrol
Yeah it’s part of the universe you have to hand wave a bit
crystal forum
gotta keep it black and white
dusk patrol
Whats the batman killing argument
Largely he’s concerned about himself going too far
It’s not totally logical
But he doesn’t want to cross that line because he thinks he won’t stop
rose thorn
Also it kinda betrays his morals
dusk patrol
He’s aware he’s a bit insane or not totally right in the head
gray umbra
Oh i mean he has plans to take out the entire justice league if he needed to
rose thorn
He fights crime so people wouldn’t have to suffer how he did
rose thorn
Oh i mean he has plans to take out the entire justice league if he needed to
I have no clue why every time they write that it becomes worse and worse
crystal forum
joker isn't really a person anyways he's more like a representation of chaos
gray umbra
Its because hes kind of a meme
rose thorn
But when it was first written they were all non lethal
crystal forum
you cant get rid of him
i see it that way at least
i need to read those joker books that my teacher recommended me
gray umbra
In a setting filled with superhumans dc likes to play up the "hes human but the most dangerous person" to keep him relevant
crystal forum
better than power levels
opaque coyote
Yeah it’s part of the universe you have to hand wave a bit
There is an interesting progression for the original 30's Batman.
He originally used guns and killed criminals
But actually stopped due to him realizing that isn't really solving much.
rose thorn
Anyway yeha Batman killing basically makes him no better than a madman killing anyone who breaks the law
Like a cop
dusk patrol
Edgy
crystal forum
conrad kurze approves
gray umbra
Well cops sometimes do it to people who dodnt break any laws 😉
crystal forum
it's okay they're allowed to do it dont worry
gray umbra
Protect and swerve
rose thorn
Shout out to lock up
crystal forum
not constitutionally obligated to protect nor serve
opaque coyote
Of course out of universe, this is due to comic book getting mandates
But in universe it's just Batman realizing that it doesn't help, and that it doesn't honor his parents properly
dusk patrol
He’s also not supposed to be totally logical about it
crystal forum
idk why people expect in depth social commentary from comic books
gray umbra
Because punching people in the face needs meaning
opaque coyote
Well cops sometimes do it to people who dodnt break any laws 😉
Cops fighting the Joker:
dusk patrol
Cause people want their silly junk food entertainment to be super deep
rose thorn
idk why people expect in depth social commentary from comic books
All art can have social commentary or meaning
opaque coyote
crystal forum
Cause people want their silly junk food entertainment to be super deep
yet not think too much on how they contribute to the problem because that might make them unhappy
crystal forum
just the barest hint of commentary
dusk patrol
Batman comcis talking about how guns and killing people is bad while making Red Hood the coolest anti hero ever
gray umbra
Backflip 360 noscope with dual glocks
rose thorn
Batman comcis talking about how guns and killing people is bad while making Red ...
To be fair he was a villian but he was so baller they made him anti hero
Same thing happened to magneto
opaque coyote
Well cops sometimes do it to people who dodnt break any laws 😉
Cops when they're fighting Batman are strangely much more competent than fighting the Joker.
Just
Saying
dusk patrol
Magneto hasn’t been an anti hero much
rose thorn
Anyway yeah watchmen good
rose thorn
Magneto hasn’t been an anti hero much
He was for a bit apparently but I haven’t read xmen in forever
dusk patrol
Sometimes but he’s much more a villain in most of his appearances
arctic talon
Magneto flips between being a hero and villain depending on the stuff he’s in
opaque coyote
Magneto flips between being a hero and villain depending on the stuff he’s in
Magneto be like
"I have been traumatized by the Holocaust and it's consequences."
"...anyways time to commit genoci-"
crystal forum
he's literally a holocaust survivor so it's kinda hard to make him a straight villain
gray umbra
He flips from wanting mutants to stop being abused to being a metahuman supremacist, sometimes a little bit if both
dusk patrol
Suicide Squad is another example of flip flopping whose the villain and anti hero a lot
dusk patrol
he's literally a holocaust survivor so it's kinda hard to make him a straight vi...
Not really
He wants genocide
crystal forum
people just want to see gory action
dusk patrol
He’s tragic
arctic talon
Magneto being a genocidal and being tragic does not make him morally grey
dusk patrol
But he’s still very much a villain
arctic talon
He’s evil, but you can see the logic behind is actions
dusk patrol
A sad backstory does not an anti hero make
You have to have guns and do cool backflips for that
opaque coyote
Magneto being a genocidal and being tragic does not make him morally grey
Something something
Metaphor for how traumatized people sometimes lash out and inflict the same pain as their trauma
Something something
crystal forum
you're right there
arctic talon
Something something
Metaphor for how traumatized people sometimes lash out and ...
The cycle of violence or something
crystal forum
the punisher, somehow beloved as a hero
arctic talon
Punisher isn’t a hero
crystal forum
the irony of cops having punisher logos on their cars
dusk patrol
No one every talks about the bicycle of violence
opaque coyote
Punisher isn’t a hero
He outright acknowledges himself as a shithead
arctic talon
He’s a villain/anti hero at best
opaque coyote
He does respect Spiderman though
arctic talon
He just kills evil people instead of just morally bad people when he’s an anti hero
crystal forum
He’s a villain/anti hero at best
yet people love him as a hero
people think he's right
dusk patrol
He enjoys killing people
crystal forum
it's so fucked up
dusk patrol
He’s aware he’s kinda fucked up
rose thorn
i cant rememebr what villian, but his plan was to genetically modify everyone to become super heroes agaisnt their wills
opaque coyote
Thank god somebody appreciates him
Even if it's a... Person who shoots criminals that doesn't even do anything life threatening
rose thorn
and then have like a perfect society
opaque coyote
Yeah Spiderman really needs a break
Dude seriously needs something permanent to stick
crystal forum
i cant rememebr what villian, but his plan was to genetically modify everyone to...
is it xmen
opaque coyote
Something good
gray umbra
Is it jujutsu kaisen
rose thorn
its marvel
arctic talon
Is it jujutsu kaisen
Taking back shots for the plan
rose thorn
i think a spiderman villian
rose thorn
Is it jujutsu kaisen
that too
crystal forum
the first xmen movie has magneto trying to turn everybody into mutants
was it first
im not sure
crazy how long ago xmen movies started
way before MCU was a thing
opaque coyote
i cant rememebr what villian, but his plan was to genetically modify everyone to...
I mean is it like
Turning everybody into a mutant
Or just giving everyone powers
quaint girder
power = mutant
opaque coyote
Because the former depends on the fucking genetic lottery
And the latter is just awesome
rose thorn
yeah i watched the first xmen movie forever ago
arctic talon
Also like in universe I don’t even get how random people differentiate the 2
rose thorn
thats probaly what im thinking of
crystal forum
Also like in universe I don’t even get how random people differentiate the 2
surface level social commentary
arctic talon
opaque coyote
Also like in universe I don’t even get how random people differentiate the 2
Simple
One can potentially backfire and become shitty
The other can't
arctic talon
Simple
One can potentially backfire and become shitty
The other can't
That’s not how that works
💀
opaque coyote
It does for Marvel
crystal forum
mutants only have like gimmick powers right
arctic talon
No
crystal forum
yes
arctic talon
Not really
crystal forum
they do one thing
rose thorn
trying to google who iw as thinking of an
dusk patrol
They vary wildly
rose thorn
this is the funniest image ever
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/jasontodd-redhood-style-mma-gif-13312272
People talking about how some criminals deserve redemption
Me a Punisher fan:
rose thorn
HASHSGHDSGKJ
opaque coyote
Jokes aside though
Never understood why in the X-Men movie, Storm was like
"WE DON'T NEED THE CURE"
yeah of course YOU don't need the cure.
But what about those mfs that literally have see through skin
dusk patrol
Omega level ones like Magneto and Iceman are almost limitless
opaque coyote
Or look like they've crawled out of a sewer
storm jungle
Jokes aside though
Never understood why in the X-Men movie, Storm was like
"WE...
It was more the point that it would be forced on them at some point which isnt wrong.
dusk patrol
While others are lame little gimmicks
rose thorn
People talking about how some criminals deserve redemption
Me a Punisher fan:
i love his super power is just he is a sociopath
storm jungle
same
opaque coyote
It was more the point that it would be forced on them at some point which isnt w...
True
But it is good for like
Those who are unlucky
arctic talon
It was more the point that it would be forced on them at some point which isnt w...
Really shouldn’t have said that with Rogue in the room 💀
storm jungle
Punisher is a hero in my book
arctic talon
LOL
dusk patrol
Yeah the tone deaf thing was telling the girl who can’t touch people without almost or outright killing them that she didn’t need a cure
While Storm has the most kickass powers ever with no downsides
opaque coyote
anyway remember that time he disemboweled some jewel thie-
I know people make fun of Batman for beating up some random loiter.
But people forget that the punisher would actually do that
crystal forum
punisher would break his legs
rose thorn
boy i sure do hope that poeple dont mistake his parody and use him as an image for a far right political symbol ha ha
dusk patrol
He cares about killing people who do what he sees as wrong
He doesn’t care about petty crime like loitering or jaywalking
storm jungle
and jokes aside Frank only kills people who mostly deserve it.
Pimps, Drug dealers, killers, etc. He doesnt care about petty crime that much unless its like some kids literally robbing an old man's convenience store or whatever.
crystal forum
shoutout to the post apocalyptic story where the punisher kills the last remaining humans on earth because they're all the rich fucks who caused the problems
storm jungle
shoutout to the post apocalyptic story where the punisher kills the last remaini...
BASED
gray umbra
I remember watching under the red hood and jason said something like "rapists and murderers deserve to die" and i was like "wait why is he the bad guy"
dusk patrol
He’ll stop it but he probably wont kill them unless they’re threatening violence
storm jungle
I remember watching under the red hood and jason said something like "rapists an...
Red Hood is basically lite-Punisher but just as awesome
hes completely right
lol
opaque coyote
He cares about killing people who do what he sees as wrong
I think it depends on the writer?
But usually, he kills murderers, pimps, etc.
Basically people who actually did do wrong.
storm jungle
Yeah this
Punisher is dumb when he kills people for petty stuff, that doesnt fit Frank imo
rose thorn
and jokes aside Frank only kills people who mostly deserve it.
Pimps, Drug deal...
i love how he is jsut, immune to ghost rider
crystal forum
like i'd do that shit irl i dont care if it kills off humanity lol
storm jungle
Batman meatriders when they write an essay on how killing a rapist will make Bruce just like them
dusk patrol
i love how he is jsut, immune to ghost rider
which is dumb as fuck since that’s not how the penance stare works but whatever
It doesn’t care if you don’t feel guilt
arctic talon
Isn’t it more Batman is afraid he’d enjoy killing people lol
rose thorn
Batman meatriders when they write an essay on how killing a rapist will make Bru...
burn
storm jungle
also that yeah, you cannot sidestep the Penance Stare lol
it literally is unavoidable and just
storm jungle
yep
arctic talon
His super power is being a psychopath
dusk patrol
It would destroy him with all hes done
opaque coyote
i love how he is jsut, immune to ghost rider
"DO YOU NOT FEEL THE PENANCE STARE. THE PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE KILLED SCREAMING OUT?"
"meh"
"WHA- WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN MEH?"
"they deserved it lmao, anyways eat lead MF"
Frank fires at Ghost Rider to no effect
"JESUS CHRIST... I'M GONNA GO FOR A DRINK"
"fuck u lmao"
rose thorn
i have no clue why the writers keep thinking batman would become a murderer psycopath
arctic talon
Idk
storm jungle
His super power is being a psychopath
again
storm jungle
Also another thing is like people forget Frank does not see himself as a good guy or a hero, just an enforcer whos out to wage war on people he deems that deserve it
crystal forum
does punisher actually have a superpower or is he just good at shooting
dusk patrol
He has concerns of his own mental state and what he would do
rose thorn
literally when batman held a gun he had a metnal breakdown and quit being batman 
storm jungle
when those cops look up to him he says if they want a hero they should idolize Captain America etc
dusk patrol
does punisher actually have a superpower or is he just good at shooting
He’s just good at shooting
arctic talon
does punisher actually have a superpower or is he just good at shooting
He’s good at killing people
opaque coyote
Because he’s not really mentally well as a baseline
He watched his family get murdered by a shootout. He 100% isn't mentally well
rose thorn
if batman kills someone he would porbably just take his own life tbh
storm jungle
does punisher actually have a superpower or is he just good at shooting
Hes a super skilled Marine, which isnt that bad when you are killing literal street scum
dusk patrol
He watched his family get murdered by a shootout. He 100% isn't mentally well
I mean he’s aware that his obsession with being Batman isn’t really healthy and it’s held him back from being happy
crystal forum
when those cops look up to him he says if they want a hero they should idolize C...
i can literally post images of IRL police cars with punisher skulls on them. the complete lack of awareness is terrifying
dusk patrol
And he has concerns of what he would do if he started killing
storm jungle
i can literally post images of IRL police cars with punisher skulls on them. the...
thats what my passage was referring to yeah, that comic was made in response to those morons
opaque coyote
if batman kills someone he would porbably just take his own life tbh
Honestly, ironically I think Superman's dream in Injustice is what would happen.
Once he snaps and kills somebody. He'd probably just turn himself in.
I think it depends on who he kills
arctic talon
injustice
crystal forum
it's frankly scary
rose thorn
>injustice <:thinkcide:806015873566769202>
yeah lol
dusk patrol
Punisher Max is one of the best runs smh
opaque coyote
>injustice <:thinkcide:806015873566769202>
Sshhh take that gun out of your mouth
arctic talon
Sshhh take that gun out of your mouth
No, I got forced to play the first one for a local
dusk patrol
I don’t even like Ennis but it’s a rare case of him being editorialized properly
It’s one of the only times I’ve really liked his work
rose thorn
Honestly, ironically I think Superman's dream in Injustice is what would happen....
honestly the super man murder argument is even worse then the batman murder argument
dusk patrol
The Superman one is pretty silly
crystal forum
trying to kill superman of all fucking people
dusk patrol
Assuming he has the same upbringing
crystal forum
like the most pure person on earth
opaque coyote
honestly the super man murder argument is even worse then the batman murder argu...
Injustice Superman is different from regular supes
Like that is one thing that they establish
opaque coyote
From the beginning
dusk patrol
But yes Injustice Supes has issues
rose thorn
The only time the superman murder plot worked was in a comic series i didn tlike
dusk patrol
The problem is how well they go into those
crystal forum
people like zack snyder think good superman is overdone when it stands out so much from all the modern jaded superheros
rose thorn
so im not gonna credit it
storm jungle
I don’t even like Ennis but it’s a rare case of him being editorialized properly
Amazing writing from Ennis, such great comics
crystal forum
he's just good
let him be good
some people are straight up just good
and have morals
dusk patrol
I didn’t say it was perfect.
storm jungle
LMFAO
crystal forum
💀
storm jungle
Okay im being mean but like man this "dialogue"
dusk patrol
It’s still Ennis at the end of the day
rose thorn
this is the ultimate case of men writing girls lmao
opaque coyote
Also evil Superman is sooo
Unless if they actually have that evil Superman develop into... Well Superman.
I think Justice League Gods and Monsters is honestly a good example.
Where General Zod's son is Superman.
Even then he's more morally grey than outright evil
crystal forum
god damn witch that's balsy to post even as a mod
dusk patrol
this is the ultimate case of men writing girls lmao
Tbf he writes men like that too
storm jungle
I love talking with my galpals and all we talk about is how we wanna jump on someones dick
opaque coyote
And in the end of the movie, they actually have him go towards becoming Superman
dusk patrol
Ennis is Ennis
rose thorn
Unless if they actually have that evil Superman develop into... Well Superman.
...
oh yeah i really liekd gods and mosnters lmao
tahts when they did the murder plots well
but
THEY ARENT THE SAME PEOPLE AHAHAHAH
its great
batman is man bat
dusk patrol
I mostly feel bad for Cavill for never getting to play vaguely happy or charismatic Superman except for a few rare cases
storm jungle
^
rose thorn
wonder woman is, fuckin, whats her name
crystal forum
zack snyder sucks ass
storm jungle
I mostly feel bad for Cavill for never getting to play vaguely happy or charisma...
its a legit shame because id have loved to see the new superman we are getting played by him, Cavill would make a great friendly neighborhood supes and it sucks
arctic talon
I pirated rebel moon and I felt like I wasted money
opaque coyote
wonder woman is, fuckin, whats her name
Gods and Monsters somehow made me actually sort of felt bad for Darkseid.
Somehow.
crystal forum
also the overwatch movie is dog shit
opaque coyote
SOMEHOW.
arctic talon
There’s an Overwatch movie what
dusk patrol
New Superman looks promising but we’ll see
crystal forum
sorry i mean watchmen
opaque coyote
Not completely
Again it's Darkseid
dusk patrol
Idk how much I trust Gunn for that tone
opaque coyote
But I was genuinely shocked at him getting jumped lmao
storm jungle
Gunn is absolutely the goat
he cannot fuck this up
he made peacemaker work, and guardians
rose thorn
Gods and Monsters somehow made me actually sort of felt bad for Darkseid.
Someh...
INSANE that they only made a batman/superman/wonderwoman murder plot acutally wokr is when its not the same characters its great
rocky gale
I wonder if Ennis wanted to write about Northern Ireland or if they hired him to get someone to write about Northern Ireland
crystal forum
he made **peacemaker** work, and guardians
let's be honest john cena made peacemaker work
dusk patrol
So I’m curious if he can match the Superman tone right
storm jungle
I wonder if Ennis wanted to write about Northern Ireland or if they hired him to...
he grew up during the Troubles, he hates the IRA it was just shitty monarchy bootlicking commentary
storm jungle
let's be honest john cena made peacemaker work
Gunn's script is the base on which Cena made it work imo
opaque coyote
let's be honest john cena made peacemaker work
The Rock
storm jungle
NO
opaque coyote
No wait that's a different name
dusk patrol
How
opaque coyote
Fuck
crystal forum
black adam is dog shit
opaque coyote
arctic talon
dusk patrol
You can’t see John Cena?!
gray umbra
When do you think they will try to cast kevin hart as deadshot
rocky gale
The usage of Westys is funny though
arctic talon
John Cena is actually good at acting
dusk patrol
storm jungle
When do you think they will try to cast kevin hart as deadshot
SHUT UP
arctic talon
The rock plays the rock
rocky gale
Damn West Brits
dusk patrol
The Rock can act
crystal forum
I JUST DON'T WATCH WRESTLING THAT MUCH OKAY
it's ok they're just completely different people it's easy to confuse them
arctic talon
Can he?
opaque coyote
it's ok they're just completely different people it's easy to confuse them
SHIT UP JAY
UR G A Y
AAAAA-
Anyways
storm jungle
also I respect Cena and Bautista because they take any ridicule their character takes with stride in the movies and also dont have a little dick syndrome and allow themselves to get beaten up.
Its like how Danny Trejo looks like the most badass dude in existence but has a rule where if hes playing some villain/gang member in a movie he has to die to show kids crime never pays since he was in actual gang violence and did time for it back in the day
absolute class acts imo
crystal forum
it's funny because WWE fighters are actors lol
arctic talon
also I respect Cena and Bautista because they take any ridicule their character ...
Trejo getting decapitated in Breaking Bad moment
storm jungle
Trejo getting decapitated in Breaking Bad moment
YEP
crystal forum
it's physical acting
crystal forum
people shouldn't bash it just because it's not actual fighting
opaque coyote
Unfortunately actual wrestling doesn't allow you to smack somebody with a chair
Which is tragic
opaque coyote
people shouldn't bash it just because it's not actual fighting
It's entertainment
Are you gonna judge anime for not showing realistic fighting
dusk patrol
There’s a reason every single WWE wrestler to actor nails the fight scenes
crystal forum
anyways i watched the new lottery movie with john cena with my dad yesterday and it sucked ass i dont recommend
opaque coyote
ARE YOU GONNA JUDGE DBZ
BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T SHOOT KI BEAMS IRL
gray umbra
Yes, all animes should be realistic like berserk 
dusk patrol
Batista on the train is still the best James Bond fight sequence I think
Despite the movies issues
crystal forum
which movie
dusk patrol
Spectre
storm jungle
"nostalgia"
