40k-lore-chat

[hallow plover]

Actual misunderstood chad

[green loom]

Loyalist presence on the Planet was more or less reduced to hold outs in a few places and also the caves where they were turning the pylons on

[paper stirrup]

no he sucks and i hate him

[sour hornet]

Was it going to be a pyrrhic defeat before he dropped the fortress?

[green loom]

He did though

[green loom]

Nah

It was pretty decisive

[crystal forum]

nah fuck off he would have lost

[green loom]

But he didn't

[sour hornet]

Goddamn, so Abaddon was just being a fuckhead.

[green loom]

I mean

The black crusade was literally there

And most of the Kasrs were gone

[crystal forum]

it's macguffin vs macguffin. necron tech stopped all chaos and abaddon had his blackstone fortress

[arctic talon]

It would have been an incredibly phyrric victory

[crystal forum]

i really dont like the fall of cadia

the book is good

[green loom]

The fortress was being a prick actually, it's sorta sentient and was actively letting a loyalist strike team get in to cripple it

[arctic talon]

Pretty much all of the heavily corrupted forces

Planet side got taken out

Stuff like plague marines, possesed, daemon engines, more mutated chosen Ect.

[crystal forum]

also literally this whole thing was orchestrated by the deceiver to destroy more blackstone fortresses because 40k is full of mustache twirling villains going "goooood goooood"

[tough haven]

Anyways, enough about child soldiers and their drama

[tough haven]

The shard?

[crystal forum]

the deceiver

[tough haven]

And I love that aesthetic

[tough haven]

As in the ctan?

[arctic talon]

Where is this stated I forgor 💀

[crystal forum]

yes

[crystal forum]

idk i read it on lexicanum and i hate it

[sour hornet]

"sentient"

machine spirit or chaos fuckery?

[green loom]

It's

[tough haven]

Probably ai

[arctic talon]

It’s old ones tech

[paper stirrup]

yeah

[green loom]

It's ancient weird crap

[arctic talon]

Blackstone fortresses are alive

As far as we know

[crystal forum]

deceiver lore is so bad

[tough haven]

Not explicitly stated

I don’t think

But implied

[arctic talon]

what else are fucking spindle drones

[tough haven]

Goofy little guys

[green loom]

Fall goes into detail that the fortresses are a pain in the ass to actually control and the one they brought to cadia was still actively working against them

[arctic talon]

Lol

[tough haven]

Like I said, no one actually says it

But it’s implied

[green loom]

Also how the one he gave to Huron is functionally useless

[gray umbra]

Do imperial guard still use gene troops

[crystal forum]

GW still trying to make C'tan relevant in lore so they can add another tabletop faction one day

[gray umbra]

I guess the kriegers count

[tough haven]

Sometimes I think

[crystal forum]

ask this question better

[arctic talon]

I literally cannot find the deceiver lore on lexicanum Jay

[crystal forum]

what do you mean by gene troops

[tough haven]

I like ctan as an idea they’re just done poorly

[crystal forum]

it's on blackstone fortress page

[sour hornet]

what the fuck are they actually?

[arctic talon]

Brb

[gray umbra]

30k used to have gene enhanced soldiers like the geno chiliad

[tough haven]

What?

[sour hornet]

space station/control ships?

[tough haven]

Giant weapons platforms/space stations/we don’t really know

[crystal forum]

they still exist in certain regiments, just not the big ones and not rules wise

[tough haven]

It’s all of these things and more

[arctic talon]

They can make people immortal

[crystal forum]

the old 100 still have gene fuckery

[arctic talon]

Fun fact

[crystal forum]

and im desperate for old 100 lore

GIVE ME MY REGIMENTS

[fallen plaza]

I think its more fun if you homebrew your own

[green loom]

Didn't they get lore recently

Mostly about them being massacred by stealers/chaos on Terra

[fallen plaza]

That is slightly upsetting

[arctic talon]

MOTHERFUCKER thats from the GOTHIC WAR @crystal forum

[crystal forum]

idk who cares

[arctic talon]

????

Thats not the 13th black crusade

I'm going to throw rocks at you

[tough haven]

Oh no, they got the swarmlord treatment

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

it's the same fucking fortress

[arctic talon]

that literally is

you know what nevermind

[crystal forum]

it's all the deceiver

[arctic talon]

That doesn't mean the fall of cadia occuring

[crystal forum]

all part of his master plan

[arctic talon]

was part of the decivers fucking plan

its just one of the things fucking shards

[crystal forum]

he just wants the fortresses gone

[tough haven]

Have you read infinite and the divine, dude is literally a mustache twirling villain

[crystal forum]

i hate him

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

40k does not need more "im smarter than you and everything i do is part of my plan" villains

[arctic talon]

they didn't get slaughtered, but a lot of them died

slaughter is the wrong word

[tough haven]

Maybe he’s lying about it, it’s very posdible

It’s kinda his thing

[fallen plaza]

Either way i prefer making my own old 100

[arctic talon]

because they got hit with the back to back Khornate invasion

[crystal forum]

i trust this deceiver guy

[arctic talon]

and GSC uprising

lol

[crystal forum]

he sounds reputable

[tough haven]

“No guys I meant to do that, it’s part of my plan”

[gray umbra]

Why do they call him the deceiver

[tough haven]

A liar wouldn’t call themselves a liar

[tough haven]

Cause he tells the truth

In increments

[crystal forum]

"one of us always lies and one of us always tells the truth" type shit

[arctic talon]

because he always lies or tells half truths

lol

[crystal forum]

i hate c'tan lore

they need to leave

[tough haven]

Why?

[gray umbra]

They should have introduced him as "Helpful nice guy"

[crystal forum]

supposedly oldest beings in existence

get tricked by skeletons

[arctic talon]

They didn’t get tricked

What

[tough haven]

I don’t think he was like “hey guys it’s me, the deciever”

[crystal forum]

i dont know much c'tan lore

i hate them

[arctic talon]

💀

I’m going to throw you

Smh

[crystal forum]

i just know they suck

[arctic talon]

?????

[crystal forum]

they're literally just assholes

[arctic talon]

Well yes

[fallen plaza]

Custodies failed at there entire existence and yet i dont see a complaint about it

[arctic talon]

That’s the point

[crystal forum]

they have no value

they're just dicks

[arctic talon]

They do have value

They made the Necrons

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-titanfall2-bt-trust-me-trust-gif-20507128

[crystal forum]

by fucking them over

[arctic talon]

Is this not the gif where he misses

[tough haven]

They don’t have one

[arctic talon]

It’s been edited

[tough haven]

On disc

[arctic talon]

To miss

Guh

[crystal forum]

can't wait for GW to bring back old ones

[tough haven]

There were literally two

Gifs

[crystal forum]

new tabletop faction

[tough haven]

This one ended earlier

[crystal forum]

1 unit worth 2000 points

just a small lizard guy

[arctic talon]

That already exists

It’s called the warlord titan

Smh

[crystal forum]

vaporizes people with his eyes

[arctic talon]

Kroak

[tough haven]

Can’t even use that lol

[crystal forum]

yeah but small lizard

[arctic talon]

Except kroak’s only like

500 something?

[crystal forum]

warlord titan more like second mortgage

[arctic talon]

I forgot how many points kroak in AoS is

But he’s quite a bit

Literally stares at you so hard you die

[fallen plaza]

Full sized Warmaster titan when gw

[arctic talon]

Lol

[fallen plaza]

I will totally buy it

Totally

[arctic talon]

3.5k points be upon ye

[crystal forum]

there has to be some rich kid out there who got a warlord titan as his first warhammer mini

you just know it

[arctic talon]

I hope they had fun sawing the sprue gates

[fallen plaza]

There are rich dudes who play adeptus titanicus with full sized titans

[crystal forum]

imagine having only a titan mini and trying to find people to play with

ngl if you bring a titan to a shop people would probably swarm to play you

[fallen plaza]

Well, there are reason the titan community is so close knit lol

[gray umbra]

Theres plenty of dumb stuff in 40k

[arctic talon]

I’ve got to fight against the tau titan before

[gray umbra]

Like perpetuals

[arctic talon]

And the eldar one

And a warhound

[gray umbra]

Like where did they come from

[arctic talon]

Nothing bigger then a warhound though

[fallen plaza]

Warhounds are cool

[arctic talon]

When a mommy and daddy love each other a lot

[crystal forum]

is it fun

[arctic talon]

No

It was a fucking memefest

Lol

[fallen plaza]

Reavers are underrated because no one likes them

[crystal forum]

a fun memefest?

[arctic talon]

In a sense I guess

It’s very novel

[crystal forum]

what was your army

admech?

[arctic talon]

Ye

[crystal forum]

swarm units?

please tell me you had some sort of large tank

i wanna bring a shadowsword to a titan fight and see how that goes

[fallen plaza]

Back then in hh1 valdor tank hunters could table titans

[tough haven]

I wanna bring a garg squiggoth

[crystal forum]

you can shoot a primarch with a death ray and they'd roll armour save

HH best meme

[fallen plaza]

Nowadays?

The valdor is a worse sicaran venator lmao

[tough haven]

I fucking hate and love primarchs on tabletop

[arctic talon]

I had 3 crabs

[crystal forum]

oh i thought you meant the custodes guy

[arctic talon]

so close enough

[tough haven]

You really feel the plot armor

[gray umbra]

Models are dope though

[arctic talon]

Primarchs in heresy are genuinely

don't bring

tier lol

unless your opponet agrees to it

its like bringing 5 fucking contemptors in 3k points

you're a dick

[fallen plaza]

No one in heresy likes primarchs anyways

[gray umbra]

I felt they were always the keep at home and admire on your nerd shrine

[arctic talon]

they're fine in 40k

tbh

[tough haven]

In 40K just bring anti monster

[arctic talon]

in 30k they can stay on the display counter

[fallen plaza]

I said tank hunter

[crystal forum]

bring more tech thralls

MORE

[fallen plaza]

Why

[crystal forum]

TECH THRALLS

[arctic talon]

Drown them in bodies

[fallen plaza]

Why do you like them

[arctic talon]

They're funny

[crystal forum]

wolf convinced me in their meme status

[gray umbra]

Field a jokaero army

Monke beam

[fallen plaza]

I would rather field thanatars

[crystal forum]

they're like conscripts but funnier

[arctic talon]

also its hard to find infantry cheaper then conscritps and they fall into that territory

[fallen plaza]

Can you still field three of them?

[arctic talon]

they're literally 3ppm

[fallen plaza]

Thanatars

[arctic talon]

You can field 4 thanatars

well

[crystal forum]

literally slave units equipped with scrap guns that can kill battalions

[arctic talon]

technically 7

[fallen plaza]

😁

[arctic talon]

3 of each big gun loadout

since they're 2 dif units

and then one character thanatar

[crystal forum]

i wish conscripts were still a thing

[fallen plaza]

Are they dreadnought level stupid?

[arctic talon]

Uh

no

Robots are less annoying then Dreads

If this was 1.0 you'd literally be satan

[crystal forum]

they look cooler

[arctic talon]

but in 2.0 there's more horrifyng things

[crystal forum]

i wish there was more robot types

in lore there's a shit ton

[arctic talon]

you're like public enemy number 8

or 9

[fallen plaza]

So balanced

Good

[arctic talon]

1 to 10 are mostly fucking dreads and shattered legion builds

yeah you'll be balanced

just tell your opponent

so they don't bring like flamers

because ima be real with you a flamer is not doing shit to a castellax lol

[fallen plaza]

I remember a dude i knew had the weirdest army ive seen

[crystal forum]

do flamers murder tech thralls

[rocky gale]

Video of Geoff Robinson talking about his Warlord Titan just came up on my YouTube feed

Curse you YouTube

[fallen plaza]

A sister of silence army, allied with solar aux, with a knight and mechanicum lord of war

[arctic talon]

What in the actual fuck

[arctic talon]

Flamers do pretty well into thralls

[tough haven]

Super friends go!

[arctic talon]

but thralls have a 5+ FNP lol

[crystal forum]

i feel like flamers are much less useful in 30k

than in 40k

[fallen plaza]

I dont know either

[arctic talon]

they're literally meme tier into Marines

unless you have a souped up flamer

[fallen plaza]

There good against milltia, lmao

[crystal forum]

everything is

[arctic talon]

being good against miltia is like

[fallen plaza]

Then again anything is

[arctic talon]

maximum punching down

[crystal forum]

im happy militia is shit

lore accurate

i want to be crushed by space marines

just be the shitty bad guy for once

[fallen plaza]

Thats stupid

[arctic talon]

its not that bad

you could be solar auxillia

poor solar auxillia paying a premium for an armor save that gets shredded

[crystal forum]

i play for the narrative

[fallen plaza]

Guard fans are literally arguing everywhere on which is shit solar or milltia

Its hilarious

[crystal forum]

solar auxilia being shit is disappointing

but militia is just pure fluff

[fallen plaza]

This hits hard for me as a solar fan

[crystal forum]

there's like 10 of you

[fallen plaza]

And there whopping 2 named characters

[arctic talon]

Solar is prolly shittier

since they lost like

almost all their AP3

so how the fuck do they kill marines properly

(volkites)

the answer is you spam volkites out the ass

[fallen plaza]

What was that suicide roomba again?

[arctic talon]

Oh the cyclops demo vehicle

[tough haven]

HH sounds boring as hell

Like the books

Lore accurate

[arctic talon]

HH isn't boring as a game, the books uh

[crystal forum]

it's narrative based

[arctic talon]

some of the novels are

💀

I'm not going to go beyond that

[fallen plaza]

I heard its funny against dreads

[tough haven]

You don’t need to, I know

[crystal forum]

i like the fluff

[arctic talon]

Cyclops demo vehicles are funny against everything

lol

[crystal forum]

i dont like 10th edition fluff destruction

[arctic talon]

custodes vs cyclops

define fluff destruction

[crystal forum]

no

[arctic talon]

just lack of lore in codexes?

[fallen plaza]

10th ed to me sounds way more genuinely boring compared to hh

[arctic talon]

I want to at least know wtf you're talking about

when you say that 💀

[tough haven]

I exclusively do fluff and narrative armies in 40K

[crystal forum]

no just less gear options and memes

[arctic talon]

Oh

[fallen plaza]

Ive had people describe it to keep as glorified chess with power ups

[crystal forum]

that's literally just it

[tough haven]

I lose every time

But eh

[arctic talon]

Chess would be more balanced

10e is just like

really stripped down 40k

and I think GW has realized its too simple

[crystal forum]

appealing to the competitive crowd

[arctic talon]

No

why the fuck would it appeal to comp players

are you stupid

[crystal forum]

or i guess appealing to new people

[fallen plaza]

They knew it was from the get go

[arctic talon]

comp players like complexity

[gray umbra]

I just like the setting

[arctic talon]

they prolly knew too late

[tough haven]

I do like it being accessible

[arctic talon]

Its like

[tough haven]

Same

[arctic talon]

not even that acessible

is the worst part

because of the fucking 5 page long Rule FAQ

[plush mason]

i have always imaged them going "beep beep" just before they explode

[crystal forum]

less chances of meme metas when there's less stuff for rule makers to deal with

[tough haven]

Well you can’t really make it much more accessible

[fallen plaza]

It's good thing for them though that way they get to sell the solution

[arctic talon]

I'm sure 11e will be more complex

considering GW seems to have wanted to say several things are a mistake already

lol

they just can't because a company would never admit fault

[fallen plaza]

Then for 12ed they'll say now it's more simpler!

[arctic talon]

💀

[fallen plaza]

Then it's too simple

[arctic talon]

like

[fallen plaza]

13th ed, now it's more complex!

[arctic talon]

PPM and wargear costs being removed have been a constant nightmare

[plush mason]

in some cases it can be literally illegal for them too lol, what a world we live in

[fallen plaza]

Etc etc

[arctic talon]

this is a 6e to 7e reference

lol

[crystal forum]

they try to make the game more accessible to new players but increase prices

[arctic talon]

"7e is simpler then 6e"

it was not

[tough haven]

Fr

[crystal forum]

nice move GW

[arctic talon]

either way

whatever

[crystal forum]

way to understand the market

[arctic talon]

11e will probably be better

[tough haven]

I just want my friends to be able to play lol

[arctic talon]

let me have my fucking copium

[arctic talon]

kid named killteam

[crystal forum]

thanks god for killteam

[arctic talon]

kid named necromunda

[fallen plaza]

*after 20 books and faqs

[arctic talon]

no, from the start

I said let me have my copium

[tough haven]

I don’t like killteam though, I want big ass armies

[arctic talon]

I'm sure 10e will actually resemble something half decent

by the end of it

[crystal forum]

we'll get 11th edition before guard codex

[arctic talon]

oof

[tough haven]

And as much as I like necromundas setting

[arctic talon]

There's rumors that 10e might just end up like 6e

wher GW kills the edition early

lol

[tough haven]

I enjoy 40ks more general setting

[fallen plaza]

They won't learn and why would they

[arctic talon]

before finishing all the codex releases

[rocky gale]

I dunno

[arctic talon]

because they have learned before smh, just sometimes the wrong fucking lessons

[crystal forum]

have you tried imperialis

[rocky gale]

Fan votes suggest that people are enjoying 10th more than they did 9th

[crystal forum]

do people even play imperialis

[tough haven]

I have, didn’t like it

[arctic talon]

I'm glad people are enjoying 10th

but I think 10th is also a clusterfuck rules wise

that needed more time in the oven

[tough haven]

Fr

[fallen plaza]

Bring back armor facings

[crystal forum]

it would have been good if they didn't make the models more fucking expensive despite being like 1 cup of plastic

[arctic talon]

I have only recently started deriving some enjoyment from 10e

[plush mason]

oh so, is there any books where someone just flat out calls a sister of battle a bitch?

[tough haven]

Same

[arctic talon]

prolly

[crystal forum]

like how the fuck is fielding an imperialis army so expensive it's fucking so little plastic

[tough haven]

I play on tts though so cost isn’t an issue

[arctic talon]

lol

[fallen plaza]

Why would you care?

[rocky gale]

I mean atleast you're able to play Psyker heavy factions without getting tabled by Abhor the Witch

[arctic talon]

the psyker system was more intresting pre 10e

but abhor the witch was also a clusterfuck of a rules FAQ

[tough haven]

Now the keyword barely ever comes up

[fallen plaza]

A set of malcadors in imperialis in here can get you space marine 2

[arctic talon]

should have just kept the old psyker system with deny the witch

[crystal forum]

40k removing more and more customization to tanks over editions is big sad to me

[rocky gale]

Oh yea they were stronger, but you also just lost because you opponent took Abhor the Witch and dominated you with VPs for every kill

[fallen plaza]

Play heresy

Simple

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fallen plaza]

Better game

[arctic talon]

like I said abhor the witch was a mistake

[crystal forum]

that's literally what im doing

[arctic talon]

I don't like the setting as much

for heresy lol

so I will not play it in a physical sense

[tough haven]

I hate heresy as a setting

[plush mason]

because Owlcat, in the prolog when you first meet Argenta there is a cutsceen and in it she shoots a heretic just before he finishes saying "someone shoot this bitch"

[crystal forum]

im building my land raider

[spring cairn]

heresy is lame save for the solar auxilia who are peak

[crystal forum]

i will call it fucktrotter the third

it will be mine

[arctic talon]

also thank god GW has gotten rid of like

VP for killing very specific things

[fallen plaza]

What pattern

[arctic talon]

prolly proteus?

[tough haven]

Cull the horde 💀

[crystal forum]

proteus

[fallen plaza]

Epic

Does the Achilles even exist anymore?

[arctic talon]

cull the horde is less very specific and just kill big blob

[crystal forum]

im making it an explorator because why would i make it look like generic raider

[arctic talon]

Yes?

I think?

nvm

they kept the Helios

but not the Achllies

[fallen plaza]

It used to be very op back then

[arctic talon]

thank you forgeworld

LOL

[crystal forum]

also i dont want to paint the inside of the ramp

[fallen plaza]

Do it

[crystal forum]

that looks painful

i still need to buy primer

i just got green stuff and using it for the first time

[fallen plaza]

On the off chance I play sm I'll probably get an mk2b pattern land raider

Either that or an achilles

[crystal forum]

is that a model

[arctic talon]

also I enjoy 10e's mission structure

more then Heresy's

I like the funny deck

there's also some funny flavor

[crystal forum]

people like the spartan

[arctic talon]

Spartan is a fat fuck

[crystal forum]

it's just big raider

[arctic talon]

that doesn't do much

in my experience lol

[crystal forum]

and it's in the starter set for some reason

[arctic talon]

because

its cool

[crystal forum]

people seem to enjoy it

is that resin

[fallen plaza]

The top of it and the sponsons is resin

[crystal forum]

looks too thicc to be plastic

[crystal forum]

i never seen it on the store

[fallen plaza]

It's probably gone

[crystal forum]

there's the armoured proteus

that one looks cool

but not worth resin price

[arctic talon]

Achilles is dead

unfortunately

[fallen plaza]

Fuck

I'm not moving to 2.0 it seems

[arctic talon]

its in 2.0

rules wise

just doesn't have a mini

[crystal forum]

love that

militia leman russ having autocannon

[fallen plaza]

How is it rules wise

[crystal forum]

which fucking coaxial autocannon

[arctic talon]

decent iirc

better then the proteus

[fallen plaza]

I was hoping mortars would still rape you this ed

[crystal forum]

sicarans are cool

they look cool

[fallen plaza]

I like them but for one thing

[crystal forum]

autocannon go brrrr

[fallen plaza]

The fenders

I hate the fenders

[crystal forum]

what's a fender

is that a guitar

[fallen plaza]

The things covering the tracks

[crystal forum]

just dont put them

[fallen plaza]

Why is it like that

It's a part of the hull

You have to

[crystal forum]

extend them with plastic

track covers are super easy to kitbash

[fallen plaza]

I'd rather field preds anyways

Because graviton

[crystal forum]

i like the round proteus predators

they look cool

[fallen plaza]

Who doesn't

I know I do

[crystal forum]

also why are rhinos so cheap

compared to all other vehicles

[fallen plaza]

Because they are

Even in 40k there is enough of them to be kinda disposable

The astral claws had a ton of them

And they are also treated as such in game

[crystal forum]

no

i mean price wise

i always mean price when i say cheap

tabletop people be like man this unit is cheap for a 200$ model

[arctic talon]

because its a shitty metal box transport

its somewhat durable

goes fast

[crystal forum]

im not asking rule or lore

im asking why it's like 30$ cheaper than a predator

[fallen plaza]

Because it has no turret

Or sponsons

[crystal forum]

i guess they just price stuff by how popular or heavy they are on tabletop

[fallen plaza]

Adeptus titanicus weapon options are expensive as shit

And they have like less plastic than a rhino lol

So really I dunno what they do to justify that

[crystal forum]

they probably have some really complicated system for pricing

and have meetings about it like every month

[fallen plaza]

"You see that number? Add 3 zeroes to it"

[crystal forum]

i genuinely wonder if they take a loss on some models because they expect people to buy others

[fallen plaza]

What is a loss for them is probably a rip off to most

[crystal forum]

but tbh i also wouldn't be surprised if they really are so greedy that they expect a like 20% profit margin on plastic since they've been getting away with it for so long

[crystal forum]

tbh as much as i think it's dumb they probably do take a lot of losses from doing everything in the UK

but i doubt they do that just to be nice to brits

they probably just do it for some government subsidy reason

[fallen plaza]

Bandai still does it in japan

And they are just as successful as GW if not morr

[crystal forum]

japan has shit working laws so there's also that

and i think companies are heavily incentivized to not outsource labor

[fallen plaza]

Racism does that

[rocky gale]

The Rhino is a pretty plain plastic cube tbh and for 40k it's a reasonably old model

[crystal forum]

more of just a shit work culture tbh

japan never really went through a worker rights phase like the US since it was completely rebuilt after the war

[fallen plaza]

I have a few choice words with Japanese culture and it's attitude towards other races

[rocky gale]

and I dunno if the HH Rhino is a new model, but like the Sororitas Rhino is literally just the old Space Marine Rhino with a Sororitas upgrade sprue thrown in

[fallen plaza]

But I'll keep it for me

[crystal forum]

it's systemic like a lot of things

[fallen plaza]

Apparently even the tracks on the deimos rhino are new

So it's a brand new mold

[rocky gale]

Ohhh

Cool

[crystal forum]

and westerners think being polite means perfect society for some reason

[fallen plaza]

What that means is a lot of passive aggressive-ness most of the time

[crystal forum]

you know what kinda annoys me

when dumb people go to japan to do dumb stuff like videos right

i get it, it's dumb right

but have you seen the amount of people who say that that gives a bad image of westerners to japanese

[fallen plaza]

I hate it too

[crystal forum]

like i'm sorry but if some asshat forms your entire opinion of a foreign country then you might have been predisposed to being bigoted?

very niche thing to rant about

but i see it all the time

no i am not represented by idiots and whoever believes that was racist to begin with

[fallen plaza]

It's a valid thing to be annoyed about

I hate those travel influencers in general

And just influencers

[dusk patrol]

Somehow I doubt most of the many western people who visit Japan are like that

[crystal forum]

what are we supposed to do about it though

[dusk patrol]

You can’t do anything

[crystal forum]

saying they represent us implies we have to do something about it

[dusk patrol]

Don’t be cringe if you visit

[rocky gale]

TBH doesn't everywhere hate tourists?

[dusk patrol]

That’s really it

[crystal forum]

except the people who profit off of it

[fallen plaza]

In popular spots yes

[crystal forum]

tour bus drivers love tourists

for example

but tourism is kinda bad for everyone else

even though politicians act like it only helps

[fallen plaza]

It helps because money

[crystal forum]

it's like oil and mining. a small area suddenly gains a good economy and larger companies come in

then woops the thing that made the economy disappears

and the small economy crashes

only people who win are the people who came in, sold stuff then ran off

locals just lose since everything is more expensive

[fallen plaza]

TBF if the Eiffel Tower collapsed the ruins would still make profit

Tourism has that benefit if the monument is iconic enough

[crystal forum]

better example would be the olympics

[fallen plaza]

Yeah that's bad

[crystal forum]

i know a ton of frenchies who came here during the olympics because it was hell to live in paris lol

[fallen plaza]

Everyone but the olympic companies have to pay for everything

[crystal forum]

you'd get carded on your own street

i shit you not

[fallen plaza]

Paris is stinky anyway

[crystal forum]

like maybe if we have to declare martial law for a "fun" sports event we should be rethinking our society

[fallen plaza]

Olympics is fun on the tv

[gray umbra]

But think of the billions of dollars it makes that you dont see

[spring cairn]

what 40k ship is this

[fallen plaza]

Dunno

[crystal forum]

doesn't look imperial at all that's for sure

[fallen plaza]

Autocannons

[crystal forum]

not a fan of the backpack guns

[fallen plaza]

They are very funny

But agreed

[spring cairn]

The TEC love big guns

[crystal forum]

also the rotary saw axe

looks funky

[fallen plaza]

It's kinda chunky yeah

[crystal forum]

yet somehow looks more sensical than a chain axe

[fallen plaza]

It's just as silly don't worry

[crystal forum]

chain axes are just dumb looking

[fallen plaza]

Nah

[crystal forum]

like what are you supposed to do with them

[fallen plaza]

They are great

[crystal forum]

are you supposed to hit your enemy or saw through them

[fallen plaza]

What are you talking about

[crystal forum]

so a chain sword

is just a big chainsaw right

makes sense to use it

[fallen plaza]

Yes

[crystal forum]

chain axe is a chainsaw except on a stick

how do you use it

[fallen plaza]

It's the same logic with swords and axes

[crystal forum]

so you chop?

how do you chop with a chain blade

it would just snag on stuff

[fallen plaza]

It's heavier, so it probably hurts more

[crystal forum]

so it's a big mace

that can kinda saw

[fallen plaza]

Yes

[crystal forum]

so you have to push down on something to saw through

with a big stick

so you're not pushing very effectively

[sour hornet]

Maybe it bites?

[fallen plaza]

I guess the idea is that the way the chains are positioned on the axe it's easier to hold it down

Because it's top heavy

[sour hornet]

Whack it hard enough the teeth bite in?

[crystal forum]

feels like a chain sword would just do it better

since large chain

[sour hornet]

I agree, but the idea is there.

[fallen plaza]

It doesn't take much chain to do damage

[sour hornet]

I love chainswords

metal as fuck

[crystal forum]

power weapons more elegant

[sour hornet]

force swords clear easy

[fallen plaza]

Thunderhammers are cool, just wish they were good

I should ping dill to tell her to make it good next time

[sour hornet]

dill

[crystal forum]

are they bad?

[sour hornet]

dill pickle

[crystal forum]

the swing version isn't bad

[sour hornet]

^

[dusk patrol]

Needs more aoe

[fallen plaza]

The attack patterns just suck in general

I hate both

[crystal forum]

i saw a guy really use it effectively by swinging around his screen while using it lol

[fallen plaza]

It's a tide game, if you are good anything can work

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that’s a common strat for these kind of games

[crystal forum]

i know

but he was doing it really far

like 180 degrees

[dusk patrol]

Chivalry had a similar mechanic

[crystal forum]

since the swing is so slow

the first one?

[dusk patrol]

And uh Mordheim

[crystal forum]

chivalry fighting was dogshit

[fallen plaza]

Ugh

[crystal forum]

i hated it

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think any are that amazing but yeah

[fallen plaza]

I could never get used to medieval fighting games

[crystal forum]

literally seeing people turn backward and become invincible

[fallen plaza]

Mordhau is like the fucking warthunder of melee

[dusk patrol]

Lots of eurojank

[crystal forum]

i love using spears tho

i got really good at it

[dusk patrol]

•Mute chat• is basically required

[crystal forum]

jabbing

[dusk patrol]

Although at least its mostly Eastern European slurs I don’t even get

[crystal forum]

wait

i remember

[storm jungle]

so basically IRL medieval combat

sounds about right

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/lywBJ-S4qpY?si=Y6tJBmmkADEXMJJ5

i love this video so much

[dusk patrol]

Tbf the racism and vulgarity did make it feel more real lol

[crystal forum]

trolling competitive players in any game gives me great joy

especially niche games with dog shit mechanics

[dusk patrol]

Can’t imagine medieval knights weren’t saying similar things

[gray umbra]

Have at them booooooooooooys

[fallen plaza]

I don't mind, as long as I am as good as the enemy

Which is never

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002

Europeans talking about the town ten miles away with a slightly different accent:

[crystal forum]

i had a similar experience in a different shitty obscure game's competitive scene

was great

i loved every second of it

[fallen plaza]

French people are very funny when you encounter them in game

Mostly because there language alone writes the jokes

[crystal forum]

i approve

clown language

[fallen plaza]

French people are like if British people were real

[celest dome]

Hey sometime it's the same town but just separated by a river

[storm jungle]

also Europeans when they see a black person

same with Asia and the U.S tbh

https://tenor.com/view/disney-pocahontas-convincing-gif-11046870

[dusk patrol]

That’s why we need aliens

Someone we can all hate together

[outer wave]

Asians when they hear someone talking in a different dialect

[gray umbra]

"Xenos scum" - italian man talking about their hispanic neighbors

[crystal forum]

they love acting like that online but they'd just stare like weirdos IRL and then go rant on twitter about immigration

[dusk patrol]

I had a Rainbow 6 team I used to play with who were French and only two of the four guys spoke English well, and I barely spoke French. It was amusing when I was the last guy and they were trying to do callouts

[celest dome]

We've got worse than those. Something starting with an r.
While yes there are racist for every origin. Good lord are we really easy to be racist against those groups

[outer wave]

Racists against racists?

[celest dome]

Nah, the R is for something else

[rose thorn]

Holy shit it’s hard to care about these models

[celest dome]

Most European would probably know it

[crystal forum]

romanians

[outer wave]

No no I mean you said we should be racist against those groups

[rose thorn]

Two of my partner’s are polish, can confirm

[crystal forum]

oh i get it now

[celest dome]

Oh no we shouldn't. But most of us in Europe do slightly have some racist tendencies toward them

[storm jungle]

hot garbage is what they are

[rose thorn]

I wish they made these into those flying custodies guys from HH

Or idk

Man it’s hard because

These are bad but so is the new one

[outer wave]

I see I see

[rose thorn]

https://preview.redd.it/new-blood-angels-sanguinary-guard-and-sanguinor-reveal-v0-6y58e75bh8id1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fd517963616df7188c2cab476932d8a9c033d0e

This hurts to look at

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

stop it

[viral halo]

40k scultping team has been pushing out nothing but ass lately

[storm jungle]

Stormcasts at least look good

[outer wave]

Okay so I'm a pleb: why are these models so bad in your eyes?

[viral halo]

no soul

[outer wave]

Like there's no character to these models is what you're saying?

[viral halo]

yes

[tough haven]

Just seems like a blatant cash grab

Recycling assets

[viral halo]

not even comparing to nostalgia

they just are boring

the new death company too

nothing going on

old ones had so much

[outer wave]

I see I see

[viral halo]

new coteaz too

nothing going for it

[storm jungle]

its the lack of drip in general

they got no character

[arctic talon]

The new sanguinary guard

[fallen plaza]

New coteaz is just bad

[arctic talon]

Also had art

With wings

So I’m not sure what GW is doing lol

[outer wave]

Probably don't feel so inspired as of late?

[arctic talon]

That’s literally false

Bcs killteam exists

And the SoB release was quite good

Even the DA chapter specific stuff was quite high effort

And imo a good chunk of BA stuff looks good

It’s literally just the sanguinary guard

Imo

[fallen plaza]

They just got a kruddy designer

[outer wave]

Gotcha

[storm jungle]

we should execute them and their families imo

👪

[arctic talon]

please don't

The new primaris death company also are just

[storm jungle]

[fallen plaza]

You do it first

[arctic talon]

an upgrade sprue so I'm very w/e on them

since they're probably going to end up with a kit eventually

[storm jungle]

Ok I was already going to

[fallen plaza]

Show pics or no balls

I mean

No.... I dunno

Show pics or your a rotten egg

[winter vessel]

Kinda walked into that one

[storm jungle]

[fallen plaza]

Rotten egg alert

[winter vessel]

It’s Dwegg

[rocky gale]

A single model that they lied about in the reveal video

[storm jungle]

[fallen plaza]

😁

😁

[storm jungle]

Are you feeling okay

[fallen plaza]

I dunno why y'all think it's weird I'm doing 😁

It's a sweet emoji you weirdos

[viral halo]

eternal is sitting on his phone and sending the wrong emojis on his burner account

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

You spam it like constantly

at this point it feels like a mental illness

or you going Joker

anyway im gonna leave before i get the Deniro treatment

https://tenor.com/view/smile-happy-nodding-joker-joaquin-phoenix-gif-15985498

[fallen plaza]

[gray umbra]

[paper stirrup]

oh my coal

absoultely garbage

his bird's model sucks but coteaz himself i like

his pose makes him feel inquisitor-y

[fallen plaza]

Squat primaris

[paper stirrup]

best idea i've ever heard

[arctic talon]

Coteaz's proportions are all off to me

ngl

[fallen plaza]

If you look at his original model then I doubt you will keep that opinion

[paper stirrup]

not sure why they didn't just make this the miniature tho

[arctic talon]

his pose isn't even his issue

tbh

[paper stirrup]

i've seen the old one

[arctic talon]

its just like

how he looks to me

[paper stirrup]

i like both im not saying one is better than the other

[rocky gale]

That's why you're wrong, one is infinitely worse

[paper stirrup]

ok lady whatever

[fallen plaza]

Nerd

[rocky gale]

I am the compass that points to correct opinions

[fallen plaza]

I will tell my compass which is the best model of all time

[paper stirrup]

whatever i like eisenhorn more anyways

[crystal forum]

why is it so angled

[rose thorn]

Honestly I don’t mind him as much as others. I bet it’s intentionally made in a way rhag its easier to make custom inquisitors

[paper stirrup]

tru

[rocky gale]

Shame they squatted Eisenhorn

[arctic talon]

he's got rules in legends ig

[crystal forum]

also can somebody explain to me why models are terrified of using clear stands to represent flying

[fallen plaza]

Compass points to this

[arctic talon]

Because they fucking suck to use

[crystal forum]

why?

[rocky gale]

GW flying stands suck

[arctic talon]

they're brittle, break easily

don't glue well

[paper stirrup]

eisenhorn 54mm is peak

[crystal forum]

what if they made them better

[arctic talon]

Flying stands suck pretty universally for Wargames

imo

[rose thorn]

Wait really?

[arctic talon]

he's not on the webstore anymore

[rose thorn]

Isn’t he a newer model

[paper stirrup]

not sure why they gave him chemo tho

[arctic talon]

and he was a black library celebration mini

[rocky gale]

They moved his rules to legends and his model is gone from the store

[arctic talon]

He's resin + black library celebration mini

GW is trying to purge all Finecast

[fallen plaza]

Best compromise would be a tiny Gundam flying stand

[arctic talon]

I agree

[arctic talon]

huh

I stand corrected

either way his rules are legends now

so meh

[paper stirrup]

yeah its been temporarily out of stock for like a year

[arctic talon]

good for casual games

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

He was in stock a while ago

[rocky gale]

Huh

[arctic talon]

like 2 months ago

[crystal forum]

why tf is the most recognizable inquisitor in legends

[rocky gale]

He's available in the UK

[arctic talon]

I would know since a friend bought him

[arctic talon]

he didn't have a mini

[paper stirrup]

people actually play the tabletop??

[rose thorn]

Shame his books are terrible

[arctic talon]

• when he finally got one it was a finecast celebration mini

[paper stirrup]

i just like the littlemen

[crystal forum]

eisenhorn?

[arctic talon]

you're going to get shot to death for saying that

[paper stirrup]

kill this guy with hammers

[rose thorn]

They are terrible

[fallen plaza]

I feel very contrarian today

[crystal forum]

so he'll be celebration mini from now on

[crystal forum]

how come

[arctic talon]

I mean he always was

[fallen plaza]

So I wanna read or to confirm its bad

[arctic talon]

a celebration mini

[rose thorn]

Xenos was a horrible read

Fuckin

[arctic talon]

now he's a celebration mini with legends rules

[rose thorn]

What was that book

After

[crystal forum]

you'd think he would appear more prominently with agents

[arctic talon]

;sh

[crystal forum]

explain why

do your highschool basics

formulate answer

[fallen plaza]

My favorite inquisitor model is the one with the flame pistol and sword

[paper stirrup]

i can't read unfortunately 💔

[fallen plaza]

For obvious reasons

[rose thorn]

Bad pacing, bad characters, so many fucking troupes it hurts my soul, there is nothing worth reading about it

[crystal forum]

he'll probably get a made to print when the amazon series comes out

[rose thorn]

Is the show even gonna be about him?

[crystal forum]

i thought that was why people loved those books, they're the most 40k to ever 40k

[paper stirrup]

there's gonna be a40k show???

[paper stirrup]

hey its the guy from vermintide

[rose thorn]

No they are just bad. It’s boomer hammer to the max

[fallen plaza]

Hector Helfyre

[crystal forum]

sounds like surface level 40k to me

[rose thorn]

It’s like

A really bad James Bond rip off

He gets with a girl then basically gets her killed, then talks about how cool he is for like

200 pages

[crystal forum]

lead by henry cavill

[paper stirrup]

holy peak

[rose thorn]

Thays like all of his books

[rocky gale]

My advice would be don't research anything about the show

[crystal forum]

might get cancelled at any time so dont get too hyped

it's not even fully announced yet

[rocky gale]

It's just a cesspit of grifters making "rumour" videos and being toxic

[arctic talon]

we don't know

[crystal forum]

yeah and that

after custodes

[arctic talon]

The show has like

0 info

lol

[rose thorn]

Hope not

[arctic talon]

beyond

its happening

and there are plans

[fallen plaza]

It's GWs fucking fault they announced it too early

[crystal forum]

we just know it's been approved tbh

[rose thorn]

Tbh I’d make it about a rogue trader but that’s just me

If I had to make the show

[crystal forum]

there's many things to make it about

[paper stirrup]

im willing to bet it will be either an RT or an inquisitor

they're like

[fallen plaza]

They literally announced it before there was a written agreement

[paper stirrup]

as main character as 40k gets

[rocky gale]

Yea it's been approved to like begin work on preproduction of formulating an idea for a show

[crystal forum]

that's abnet for ya imo

[arctic talon]

Make the main character some poor soul press ganged into the inqusition

[paper stirrup]

speaking of which why does rogue trader the game have the worst boss fights like

ever

[arctic talon]

wich one

[crystal forum]

it will have to be watchable by complete normies

[arctic talon]

there's like

[crystal forum]

so dont expect it to be super in depth

[arctic talon]

multiple bossfights that are arguably "the worst boss fights ever"

[paper stirrup]

ALL OF THEM.

[arctic talon]

and none of them are Owlcats most awful bossfights

lol

[paper stirrup]

ALL OF THEM SUCK.

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Owlcat if anything

were fucking cowards

in Rogue Trader

GIVE ME HARDER BATTLES

[fallen plaza]

Avatar has decent lore, and it's a classic

[arctic talon]

RAAAAAAAAAH

[rose thorn]

The fallout show is amazing

[paper stirrup]

the defiler fight made me want to jump in front of a train

[crystal forum]

because as much as i enjoy that game the difficulty pacing is asinine

[arctic talon]

the 4 way incubi clusterfuck is not enough