Even if they did have it, it would still be enclosed
#40k-lore-chat
fallen plaza
crystal forum
then why can you put a commander in the leman russ and malcadors
open hatch
that's open top
fallen plaza
Something meant to endure harsh environments doesn't mean you can't have doors gay
And also the commander you can just say is inside the hatch when you don't have it
fallen plaza
Iron harvest looking ahh
fallen plaza
This varent at least looks better than it's second one
crystal forum
yeah fuck the big shield one
"melee unit"
at least enclose the whole fucking cockpit if the pilot is meant to be in the middle of the fight
fallen plaza
Okay
Here's the best argument for to be made enclosed
It probably looks cuter if it is
crystal forum
stumpy little box
i agree
it would be cute
but when it's open i can kinda imagine myself in the gunner seat
fallen plaza
I could probably make one if I wanted to
crystal forum
like imagine being able to run around with a multi las
fallen plaza
But I'm not even done with my regular troops
fallen plaza
probably feels super freeing
It would be if you could turn it
But it's like perma mounted to one direction
fallen plaza
I could see it being fun if your riding it in those las Vegas tank riding shows
crystal forum
i imagine it more like being super far from the enemy and just pummeling them with las fire
literally like a more mobile heavy weapons team
fallen plaza
Which is weird that it isnt
fallen plaza
Let's just say this unit doesn't help with much unless your fighting other solar aux
crystal forum
literally the best combat unit the imperial guard has ever mustered vs 1% of an astartes legion's power:
the fact that they made militia a thing is still so fucking funny to me
a unit that's shittier than 40k guardsmen lore wise
crystal forum
going against astartes chapters that could literally fight wars with numerically superior infantry
crystal forum
Milltia are more like pdfs
exactly they suck ass
fallen plaza
PDFs have the advantage of knowing the planet
So at minimum they can put up a decent fight
crystal forum
astartes have the advantage of BEING ASTARTES
fallen plaza
Vietnam war
crystal forum
vietnam except actively burning civilian
modern tapir
So any lore explanation why the first born space marines are no longer represented as much anymore? Like were they all just replaced by the primaris marines?
fallen plaza
It's a marketing thing
crystal forum
rubicon
fallen plaza
They still exist in lore
crystal forum
they all transfered to primaris
even the ones who hated primaris
like black templars
(so GW could sell more models)
modern tapir
Ah, so irl its a marketing thing. In lore, they're still around, but probably outnumbered by the Primaris now.
fallen plaza
vietnam except actively burning civilian
My point is, astartes will still have a hard time with pdfs
crystal forum
Ah, so irl its a marketing thing. In lore, they're still around, but probably ou...
most chapters just took the new primaris recruits and upgraded themselves to primaris since there's literally only upsides
fallen plaza
Some survived the dark age more intact than others
crystal forum
fun fact some chapters straight up were dead when primaris arrived to replace them
so the new guys just had to assume the position
modern tapir
Cool; but Terminators are still terminators right?
fallen plaza
Primaris can still wear termie armor
modern tapir
Ah, so lorewise, they've also been up'd
crystal forum
no they're the same
modern tapir
Nah, I'm not complaining about first born disappearing. Just wondering where they went.
crystal forum
it's not really elaborated why termies got switched to primaris without any changes
like they're still the same suits
but the models are noticeably bigger
fallen plaza
I kinda wish they had more lore when they release new units
modern tapir
Lol that's what got me curious; if they were still using the same terminator armor or they had to make a new one to fit primaris marines like they had to make a new dreadnought.
crystal forum
and the whole primaris being taller than firstborn is kinda retconned?
fallen plaza
Like the rogal dorn has like no lore
dusk patrol
Lol that's what got me curious; if they were still using the same terminator arm...
They’ve always been able to adjust it
crystal forum
rogal dorn my favorite tank that has no backstory at all
dusk patrol
Primaris sized marines have existed for a long time
Or bigger
Same way they adjust armor to fit all marines
modern tapir
They’ve always been able to adjust it
This is a fair point considering Tyberos the Red Wake
dusk patrol
Tyberos isn’t even that big smh
fallen plaza
rogal dorn my favorite tank that has no backstory at all
And a dinky fake demolisher
crystal forum
like poof suddenly militarum have a heavier leman russ
fallen plaza
Smh
dusk patrol
But sure yeah
fallen plaza
like poof suddenly militarum have a heavier leman russ
They already did it's called the malcador, but they don't talk about it smh
crystal forum
malcador has lore
opaque coyote
Tyberos isn’t even that big smh
Bro literally had to have dreadnought pieces attached to his armor
Which was already bigger than usual, due to it being terminator
dusk patrol
He doesn’t
crystal forum
and a reason to exist lore wise
dusk patrol
He has tactical dreadnought armor
modern tapir
Bro was literally mistaken as a statue.
dusk patrol
Aka, terminator armor
fallen plaza
and a reason to exist lore wise
I'm more talking about updating the lore of it to fit the new militarum
dusk patrol
He’s a head taller than normal marines, he’s not short but he’s not that tall
crystal forum
also im really annoyed that militarum tanks are named after figures
dusk patrol
People vastly overstate his size
crystal forum
it's genuinely annoying
fallen plaza
Aka giving it back it's old engine
crystal forum
but i cannot imagine the leman russ without its current name
fallen plaza
I would like it if they didn't name tanks after primarchs
I want it named after humans
dusk patrol
He’s cool but he gets overwanked a lot
fallen plaza
Like, the masade battle tank
dusk patrol
And he doesn’t really do much in the series he’s in
modern tapir
It probs did have a different name, but ya know.. Mechanicus being Mechanicus.
opaque coyote
it's genuinely annoying
Most modern tanks aren't named after figures anymore.
But since when were Warhammer tanks modern?
fallen plaza
They are modern by release
dusk patrol
Most 40k tanks aren’t named after people either
crystal forum
I would like it if they didn't name tanks after primarchs
what i dont get is why are all the other vehicles named after mythological creatures and suddenly the fucker who made the dorn is like "duh new tank is primarch"
opaque coyote
I guess in the 41st millenium, you somehow backflip into WW2 designs
fallen plaza
Because it's cool
modern tapir
Lol, Leman Russ tank probably had "Light Armor" in its name before it was named Leman Russ.
opaque coyote
Because it's cool
So true!!
dusk patrol
Harping on 40k tank design is always a silly fight
opaque coyote
Ain't actually complaining about it
It is funny though
fallen plaza
Sometimes it can work though
crystal forum
leman russ is peak tank design
dusk patrol
Makes as much sense as anything
fallen plaza
Valdor tank hunter is a cool name
dusk patrol
Russ was responsible for finding the STC
modern tapir
Well, technically just the Space Wolves. Not necessarily Russ himself.
crystal forum
guess what the exterminator does
opaque coyote
Harping on 40k tank design is always a silly fight
Tbf for 40k tanks, yeah I can see some "dead-end" designs returning since well
Modern tanks are made for fighting against other tanks and people.
Meanwhile in the 41st millennium there are a myriad of different enemies.
And also it's 40k.
Being extreme and futuristically archaic is what it's all about babyyyyy
dusk patrol
Well, technically just the Space Wolves. Not necessarily Russ himself.
Russ led the forces which found it
fallen plaza
It's basically a scifi machine gun rules wise
dusk patrol
Tbf for 40k tanks, yeah I can see some "dead-end" designs returning since well
...
Yeah it’s just a silly conversion, we all know they don’t really make sense design wise
fallen plaza
I though you meant the incinerator
crystal forum
no
fallen plaza
Fuck these names
fallen plaza
😔
opaque coyote
Yeah it’s just a silly conversion, we all know they don’t really make sense desi...
That goes for a lot of weapons.
But if we had to go fully practical then it'd be boring.
Let me shoot my 30 round .75 mini missile launcher in peace.
crystal forum
dont confuse exterminator with executioner or we cant be friends
modern tapir
Lol. You'd need to play something like MOWAS2 modded to even start to get acquainted with the various types. And there'd still be more.
crystal forum
they're clearly very different
fallen plaza
That goes for a lot of weapons.
But if we had to go fully practical then it'd b...
I mean, the macharius and the malcador are the closest we get to practical modern wise, along with the predator
opaque coyote
Also some sci-fi tech like auto targetting systems would probably put things like multi turret back on the menu
crystal forum
alright if we count wacky forge world
fallen plaza
We always do
crystal forum
malcador defender is the best
fallen plaza
Which for some reason I recall mechanicus can now field
opaque coyote
malcador defender is the best
Don't know how the Imperium literally forgot how to maintain one of it's own common tanks and had to replace it with the Leman Russ
opaque coyote
it sucks that's why
fair lma
fallen plaza
So do milltia for that representation
crystal forum
and it came around during vraks
fallen plaza
Don't know how the Imperium literally forgot how to maintain one of it's own com...
No it never did
It was replaced by the russ
crystal forum
since GW had to give vraksians a shitty old tank
opaque coyote
it's great lore wise
I think 1d4chan said this "the Malcador looks like someone at Forge World made a Russ out of silly putty and stretched it."
fallen plaza
The only thing that was lost was the engine it had
crystal forum
and then you get the macarius
which lore wise is a replacement for the baneblade
which is now in solar auxilia?
so i've been told
crystal forum
no it's literally said to be a shittier baneblade
arctic talon
Also some sci-fi tech like auto targetting systems would probably put things lik...
Mechanicus multi turreted stuff is controlled with a servitor brain
fallen plaza
Beats me
crystal forum
i havent seen a macharius in solar auxilia yet
fallen plaza
It doesn't help that the tank is named after someone that doesn't exist yet
crystal forum
prove it
crystal forum
baneblade is stupid
it's literally stated to only have 2 variants during HH
but solar auxilia get shadowsword
STOP RETCONNING FOR IMPERIALIS GW
arctic talon
No
fallen plaza
Even in the old rules they get to use it
arctic talon
Glory to Alan bligh’s legacy
opaque coyote
Although I do wonder how tf do Lasguns have recoil
fallen plaza
All baneblades were used in 30k even back then
arctic talon
The retcons will continue until morale improves
opaque coyote
Gaunt's Ghost say they do
crystal forum
HH rule book itself literally mentions another type of baneblade
fallen plaza
Although I do wonder how tf do Lasguns have recoil
Ask dan
fallen plaza
You should see the hh description of the land raider
arctic talon
Although I do wonder how tf do Lasguns have recoil
I’ve heard theories with no basis lasguns were used for recreational stuff, so the recoil was to get the kick of a real gun
fallen plaza
It mentions it's amphibious
arctic talon
Jokes and theories with 0 evidence aside
We don’t fucking know
Why lasguns have recoils
fallen plaza
Why should we care anyways
fallen plaza
They probably couldn't because Alan died
crystal forum
Although I do wonder how tf do Lasguns have recoil
because they dont shoot lasers fuck off
fallen plaza
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathhammer
The dark angels also have a unit in game that are basically enslaved robots from the dark age
It's a unit, it has rules
crystal forum
no it annoys me
fallen plaza
We dunno what it looks like though
crystal forum
that GW is just pulling in all the 40k shit
retconning all the vraks stuff
and STILL NOT ADDING CHIMERA
fallen plaza
They did though
crystal forum
so they make a fucking leman russ basilisk
fallen plaza
They have a chimera now
crystal forum
They did though
the medusa isnt even a chimera in 30k
opaque coyote
Why lasguns have recoils
I guess because it looks cool
fallen plaza
the medusa isnt even a chimera in 30k
No
crystal forum
They have a chimera now
show it
opaque coyote
Like Darktide tried to have 0 recoil lasguns
fallen plaza
In the rules
opaque coyote
It felt like shit
crystal forum
Look up the trojan
is it in 30k??
fallen plaza
is it in 30k??
For some reason yes
crystal forum
lasguns have recoil if you think that's stupid you need to realize that the concept of a gun you can carry that can fry a hole through a person with a laser would require more battery power than your whole house
so fuck you
opaque coyote
lasguns have recoil if you think that's stupid you need to realize that the conc...
true but still shouldn't have recoilllll~
jkjk
fallen plaza
Explode
crystal forum
dont apply your highschool level physics to 40k
pisses me off when geeks get in my territory
arctic talon
The recon las has like almost no recoil
it has slight recoil and kick still
so it feels good
crystal forum
it shoots projectiles
it very clearly causes knockback on enemies
just imagine it's a bullet
like fuck
it's getting me riled up just
IF IT HAS NO RECOIL WHY DOES IT HAVE IMPACT
crystal forum
i need to explain newton's laws now
fallen plaza
Do you even remember who you were mad at
fallen plaza
Oh okay fair
crystal forum
the year is 40000
imperium is at war on all sides
conservation of inertia no longer exists
fallen plaza
They lost the STC to that
crystal forum
at least one thing is true
if a lasgun were actually that powerful it would genuinely emit a visible light trail since it would ionize all the air on its path to the target
people really dont understand how batshit powerful a laser has to be to tear chunks off humans
fallen plaza
I mean in lore it does mention it is very strong
opaque coyote
people really dont understand how batshit powerful a laser has to be to tear chu...
And yet it can be mass produced and is also considered to be
"a flashlight"
opaque coyote
if a lasgun were actually that powerful it would genuinely emit a visible light ...
I mean
it actually does
Some depictions show shooting the lasgun having long streams of light
winter vessel
I feel like that's the only depiction. I've never seen the laser. when fired, become a projectile or bolt, it's a consistent line of heat and energy.
celest dome
IF IT HAS NO RECOIL WHY DOES IT HAVE IMPACT
In fairness, there are recoil-less guns.
And while I don't think the Las weapons have recoil due to the Laser emition, I think it has one due to the electromechanical components.
Same way I don't think the Lasgun has a a direct 'impact', but rather cause plasmification of the matter hit, which is what mimic the impact
dusk patrol
I think they decided they wanted recoil because it felt better and there isn’t really a good reason
opaque coyote
I think they decided they wanted recoil because it felt better and there isn’t r...
Like a lot of things in 40k
"it looks cool"
Also like Darktide showed, weapons without recoil feel like garbage
In all honesty I do imagine that minor recoil is there just so that it doesn't feel just like a laser pointer
Despite the fact that they're up against Necrons so it might as well be
plush mason
I feel like that's the only depiction. I've never seen the laser. when fired, be...
it becomes a bolt because the soldiers let go of the trigger
the recon is most likely using some kind of internal interrupter
plush mason
if a lasgun were actually that powerful it would genuinely emit a visible light ...
you mean invisible right?
opaque coyote
the recon is most likely using some kind of internal interrupter
Nah they just fucking keep squeezing it
plush mason
that would just fire a contentious beam
opaque coyote
that would just fire a contentious beam
Actually that sounds sick
plush mason
yeah
opaque coyote
Ig that would be what a hellgun would do or smth
Anyways yeah true
It probably has a timer or something to separate the beams
Probably to prevent it from uh
Exploding or something
Also is it Hotshot or Hellgun?
plush mason
yeah overheating is likely why the guard is trained to not fire beam
opaque coyote
I usually say Hellgun cause I think it's a cooler name
plush mason
arent they like 2 different versions?
iirc the hotshot is the hellgun's bigger brother
celest dome
Also is it Hotshot or Hellgun?
Hellgun is the old name, they're both the same and Hotshot is the current name
plush mason
is there a las weapon called a volley gun?
opaque coyote
It's the variant inbetween Hotshot Lasgun and a Multilaser
Honestly Multilaser sounds cool as a
opaque coyote
Veteran weapon
opaque coyote
Hellgun is the old name, they're both the same and Hotshot is the current name
Why did they change it
plush mason
celest dome
Honestly Multilaser sounds cool as a
Multilaser are to heavy to be used by a regular human, better picked for Ogryn (same for Lascannon)
ruby turtle
celest dome
Might be difficult to make work. More so if considered a different wrapon than a Longlas
opaque coyote
Multilaser are to heavy to be used by a regular human, better picked for Ogryn (...
Awww
Hmmm
Yeah so obviously Hellgun s/Hotshots for Veteran
Lascutters do sound cool tho
Basically they're supposed to be used for sieges
Y'know opening up bulkhead doors, walls, etc.
But they can actually be used as a short ranged weapon due to them creating a "short ranged laser arc"
celest dome
Lascutters do sound cool tho
I'd guess they would appear as the same 'weapon' as the Multilaser and Lascannon.
Where like the Rumbler/Kickback(/Tughshot) where they have the same model but are different weapons
storm jungle
celest dome
Do you often need to strangle people other than Zimmer and Jay ?
paper haven
Do lasguns shoot only lasers or is there also a projectile. I've seen it mentioned both ways. In the same book.
spring cairn
it's the old beam vs bolt thing
bolts are lame and anyone who says lasguns shoot bolts you can safely consider them braindamaged
paper haven
I figure it's pure lasers. Meaning there would be no recoil.
celest dome
Do lasguns shoot only lasers or is there also a projectile. I've seen it mention...
Lasgun are beam/Laser only
There are weapons that have both Laser and a projectile (Usually some sort of Neddler)
radiant lance
There is recoil on a lasgun!
Very small, but it's there
They shit out a ton of photons and actually have recoil as a result
Like a ton
raven stone
The most typical answer for Lasguns and recoils SHOULD be...
"...it depends on the pattern of the Lasgun"
mic drop
green loom
Stop trying to junk science recoil
It doesn't matter, it either does or doesn't depending on how you/the author would prefer
fallen plaza
@storm jungle lebron james optimus prime
storm jungle
WHAT
queen laurel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283579612695625729/1275026878109061173/...
NO WAY THAT IS A OFFICIAL HASBRO TOY
fallen plaza
yeah just noticed it, one of those third party transformers
Takara isnt third party lol
They are officially licensed
queen laurel
Takara isnt third party lol
i know which is the wild part
why the hell would they call it lebron james version
fallen plaza
Because lebron james
They also had an evangelion recolor
Though im not sure if that one is official
Yup its real
queen laurel
ohh a recolor of the masterpiece optimus prime
fallen plaza
did i ever tell you guys i sleep in hello kitty bed sheets
fallen plaza
hey zimmer how about you tell us about the time you exploded
okay slop warden
storm jungle
okay slop warden
okay 😁slop user
fallen plaza
okay 😁slop user
okay arc#####t
storm jungle
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/sigma-l4d2-nick-gif-27612304
the try hard horde shooter player on his way to go in front of the team and immediately get downed
crystal forum
the try hard horde shooter player on his way to go in front of the team and imme...
an actual left 4 dead player would stay with the group 
i hate when coop games dont punish solo brains enough
cough cough helldivers 2
crystal forum
that's mostly the console and AAA effects
but also the game doesn't really push you to work together
queen laurel
helldivers 2 has the worse teamates ive ever seen
how many times did someone shoot you for apparently doing something bad?
crystal forum
teamates throwing artillery on you and you're the bad person for asking them to use their eyes
fallen plaza
how many times did someone shoot you for apparently doing something bad?
they have stolen my drops
queen laurel
they have stolen my drops
yeah that checks out
fallen plaza
yeah that checks out
and dropped arty
crystal forum
fucking mortar turrets
at least darktide pushes to you literally stay in a group with all the buffs and spawn mechanics
that still doesn't stop idiots from ignoring it
queen laurel
that still doesn't stop idiots from ignoring it
If it's a horde shooter it's inevitable someone will develop the large solo only blame the teammates ego
crystal forum
it shouldn't
mf'ers have the option to play solo but they decide to make random people's experience miserable by not following the simple coop mechanics
gray umbra
I do think coherence is the sort of mechanic that is easily overlooked
Especially for new players
crystal forum
call me stupid but arent elite spawns increased when teamates spread out
gray umbra
Its just monke brain
No logic or reasoning
But yeah, game likes to spawn disablers when people get too cheeki breeki
crystal forum
i noticed that very early on
that when i rushed forward i was being tackled by like 4 mutants on diff 3
gray umbra
If you have an afk at spawn, the game will always spawn a dog to eat them
crystal forum
fun fact left 4 dead 2's director would actively try to slow down your progress
if even the whole team was doing everything perfectly together but progressing too quickly it would reduce the intervals between climax moments
the whole climax and interlude system was so damn good
time to take a breather and time to have full action
gray umbra
L4d is just such a good game
crystal forum
it perfected coop horde shooter gameplay before it was even a fully defined genre
gray umbra
I wonder if we will ever get versus in DT once it full releases in vt2
storm jungle
ı hope not because like these specials were NOT made to be used by players
crystal forum
sang guard release
storm jungle
compared to Special Infected in L4D
crystal forum
ı hope not because like these specials were NOT made to be used by players
time to spam grenades as bomber
gray umbra
I think sang guard were always goldenboys
crystal forum
GRENADE, OUT
queen laurel
ı hope not because like these specials were NOT made to be used by players
Imagine a player finding an exploit and just like throw a grenade from 100 feet away
and just ******* burning everything
gray umbra
being a tox bomber woukd be the shit
queen laurel
yep
storm jungle
being a tox bomber woukd be the shit
bro tox bomber bounce mechanics alone would be lethal if you know basic trajectory like me LOL
crystal forum
block passage with fire + mutant charge into a bomb guy
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
throw people off map
queen laurel
bro tox bomber bounce mechanics alone would be lethal if you know basic trajecto...
the barrel practice will definitely pay off
storm jungle
Tox Bomber is probably one of the most lethal enemies in this game, i love him
crystal forum
reminds me of bridge map in left 4 dead 2
storm jungle
Parish finale?
crystal forum
just charger people off the map
queen laurel
Tox Bomber is probably one of the most lethal enemies in this game, i love him
and somehow you don't get mad at him
storm jungle
just charger people off the map
DUDE
crystal forum
Parish finale?
yeah
queen laurel
yes he is very annoying to deal with because the gas is
storm jungle
the survivors literally say "watch out for chargers here"
queen laurel
Rather dangerous
crystal forum
we do a little trolling
queen laurel
but he's actually a fine enemy
storm jungle
and somehow you don't get mad at him
getting mad at a special enemy for doing its job is peak braindead imo
queen laurel
getting mad at a special enemy for doing its job is peak braindead imo
yep
storm jungle
its entire job is to disable or kill you
queen laurel
pretty much is
dusk patrol
Gotta watch out for his jerkin arm
rocky gale
Next big reveal show
queen laurel
its entire job is to disable or kill you
Ohh yeah do tox gas buff enemies
rocky gale
I imagine this is where we'll get our next Roadmap
crystal forum
Gotta watch out for his jerkin arm
i see we've all watched the same video
dusk patrol
Honestly I haven’t, it was always a joke with my friends and me
rocky gale
Gotta watch out for his jerkin arm
crystal forum
Honestly I haven’t, it was always a joke with my friends and me
left 4 speed
do NOT tell me you havent seen it
it's a classic
gray umbra
Tox bomber makes exe stance even more useless
queen laurel
do NOT tell me you havent seen it
you just had to remind me because the most memorable thing I remember on that is the undead fetus
dusk patrol
left 4 speed
I have not unfortunately
crystal forum
please watch both videos if they're still on youtube
you missed a vital part of my childhood
crystal forum
you just had to remind me because the most memorable thing I remember on that is...
kiddyland
storm jungle
"It has no GAS you MORON"
"Yeah but theres gas cans around for JUST such an occassion!!!"
queen laurel
"Yeah but theres gas cans around for JUST such an occassion!!!"
get chargered
crystal forum
"i wonder why they call this one hard rain"
why do they keep pointing out the massive cannons
they really want us to know that this planet has 1 single gimmick
storm jungle
i have like 4 friends complainin about that same subject lol
crystal forum
"you might have missed this glaring fucking thing in the trailer"
queen laurel
why do they keep pointing out the massive cannons
because they are cool stop complaining ya racoon
rocky gale
Because it's the reason everyone wants the world
crystal forum
GW we didn't miss the cannons we just didn't think they were special in 40k
they're just normal ass 40k background
crystal forum
literally look at any art of imperial fortified cities and you see massive amounts of huge guns
crystal forum
so i guess the cannons are there to shoot other planets or something
rocky gale
Yea but they talk about it in the reveal stream, the world used to be a Hive World before the gun, now it's a Weapon World, where the entire world is dedicated to maintaining and supporting this weapon.
It's mahooosive
crystal forum
also ngl i thought the massive shell was a crucible for iron working
i can't be the only one who thought this
crystal forum
Yea but they talk about it in the reveal stream, the world used to be a Hive Wor...
yes i know i watched it with you
but what does this have to do with the killteam
fallen plaza
Maybe that cannon is teasing a new terrain
rocky gale
It's the focus point of this season of Killteam
fallen plaza
Giant cannon terrain
rocky gale
All the Killteams are fighting on this planet trying to get this big gun
crystal forum
Maybe that cannon is teasing a new terrain
it would literally not fit on the terrain of emperialis
rocky gale
Yea the gun won't be in terrain
rocky gale
They talk about the fights being "Areas around the gun"
crystal forum
im pretty sure you can fit an imperator titan in the barrel
crystal forum
around 3 feet tall on tabletop i believe
raven stone
The name of the gun is...well, not imaginative but still on point.
Massif Ballistus...
crystal forum
it was actually given a size once lol
raven stone
Probably. Or make an extra big Zzap gun.
Also
I cannot help but think someone on KT design team watched the trailer for PVKK when they came up with that thing
crystal forum
what's PVKK
oh that game
knowing the time it takes to animate stuff i do believe it was in concept long before that game was revealed
raven stone
Yea that game XD.
And yea, fair. Probably a very odd but lucky coincidence.
crystal forum
large cannons arent a particularly novel concept either
im just confused what the point of it is in 40k
shooting ships?
raven stone
I would say so
Given the Tau dispatch explicitly mentions that is the thing preventing them from sending the fleet in.
crystal forum
kinda ironic that if the planet didn't have that cannon it wouldn't be much of a target for attacks
queen laurel
shoot attack moons?
repurpose their smaller ships to fit into it as ammunition
raven stone
I would assume the planet itself had values beyond the cannon...but then again it is GW writing the lore.
crystal forum
weird to see tau going so guns blazing
you'd expect them to just play the long game and convince the planet's rulers
but the imperium might have a tight grip on the world
raven stone
I think the dispatch did try to justify that by saying the human population is weirdly dogmatic and loyal to IoM
raven stone
Yep
crystal forum
i guess they had to also justify it not being a fortress world since if that were the case it wouldn't need scions for help
it's just a normal hive world with a big cannon
a repeat of the vraks armoury world condition
raven stone
To be fair, even fortress worlds can do with elite assistance, but I get your point.
It also does seem to be the case that there is a non-Tau invasion that is also happening
crystal forum
the ork one right?
raven stone
Yea, they look like the ones with the actual invading force.
crystal forum
i dont remember seeing the cannon shoot in the trailer but it apparently does
so there's definitely some shit going on
raven stone
Yep
Even if it was a fortress world, you would need Scions to guard the Big Gun since the home regiments are busy fighting the Orks
crystal forum
yeah it seems to he a hard target to defend since it has so many areas that keep it logistically going
raven stone
Yep. The bigger the round and mechanisms, the more there are tiny entrances to guard...
viral halo
How is the lore chat today
paper stirrup
is there a reason that grey knights havent shown up yet in the moebian domain yet
crystal forum
is there a reason that grey knights havent shown up yet in the moebian domain ye...
it's too small for them rn
there havent been any major demons appearing
paper stirrup
eh fair enough
the domain is pretty close to the sol system tho so I thought it would be kind of worrying for the ordo malleus
storm jungle
is there a reason that grey knights havent shown up yet in the moebian domain ye...
Grey Knights show up when apocalyptic threats need to be subdued
most of their artworks have them fighting in quite literal hellscapes
Atoma is not a full on daemonic invasion
crystal forum
it takes a lot for inquisitors to call in astartes, let alone grey knights
storm jungle
^
- The grey knights use Prognosticars to gauge and assess threats they do want to deal with, they'd know if things were bad enough to warrant their assistance here
paper stirrup
yeah I don't know a ton about grey knights as they've never really interested me
raven stone
Generally speaking by thr time GK are involved, physics has long disappeared and even our characters will genuinely go insane.
crystal forum
would be very funny to see grey knights fighting pox walkers though lol
paper stirrup
I just know em as "anti-daemon guys"
crystal forum
they'd probably kill captain wolf the millisecond they arrive
queen laurel
get lored you nurgling
crystal forum
and those fucking twins would not stand a chance
storm jungle
yes
paper stirrup
yeah
sour hornet
bruh
raven stone
And conversely, a single "truescale" Demonic threat would be like...we take Corruption tick damage as soon as we touch down on the planet
crystal forum
you're not supposed to know demons exist as a pleb
sour hornet
cadians though?
storm jungle
its related to working with grey knights
queen laurel
do grey knights actually kill people they fight alongside?
yes, but if they are important but to not be trusted they would just do a memory wipe
sour hornet
what abt those guys?
storm jungle
what abt those guys?
depends on the warzone
Any mind exposed to daemonic corruption or things worse like daemon primarchs can get corrupted down the road by chaotic influences, sometimes this is true sometimes its not, in their eyes its "why take the chance"
tough haven
get lored you nurgling
We should fight nurglings, they’re only minor daemons, not out of the question for the admonition to have considering they have hosts
fallen plaza
Cadians aren't real tho
crystal forum
grey knight havent purged many people recently so i guess they kinda mellowed
fallen plaza
Imperial propaganda
raven stone
Only Marines and VIP have thr priviledge of being mind wiped instead.
Also if a Marine chapter happens to stand up for you...you might get away with it.
storm jungle
grey knight havent purged many people recently so i guess they kinda mellowed
They have
tough haven
Any mind exposed to daemonic corruption or things worse like daemon primarchs ca...
Just seems wasteful
sour hornet
^
crystal forum
but they would literally kill entire battalions
storm jungle
Just seems wasteful
thats the Imperium
like
why are you people expecting sense
from literal space nazis
lol
tough haven
thats the Imperium
At least send them in suicide missions or something
crystal forum
they did it so hard that space wolves fought them to calm tf down
tough haven
Or work them to death still
storm jungle
also depends
sour hornet
What if they fight alongside other astartes?
raven stone
Well, the other issue is also that Chaos and Warp corruption is like a mental virus
sour hornet
What if I say no?
fallen plaza
To answer any lore questions in the future
storm jungle
you dont get a choice
fallen plaza
It depends
sour hornet
Kiss my ass, proverbially
queen laurel
What if I say no?
You get violently sliced apart like a butcher slices through meat
storm jungle
Kiss my ass, proverbially
Aight kiss this bolt
tough haven
What if I say no?
“Nuh uh” “Fuck you mean nuh uh” “nuh uh”
crystal forum
What if I say no?
you misunderstand how worthless the average human is in 40k
sour hornet
I mean if the Astartes they fight alongside say no
tough haven
You are chaff for the grinder
tough haven
I mean if the Astartes they fight alongside say no
Doesn’t matter
sour hornet
Not a normal shmuck
queen laurel
I mean if the Astartes they fight alongside say no
They will be forcefully chained and forcefully mind wipe
there are very few space marines that know they exist
storm jungle
^
paper stirrup
victims of imperial propaganda everywhere
queen laurel
one of them being the space wolves
crystal forum
I mean if the Astartes they fight alongside say no
space wolves literally went to war with grey knights
storm jungle
space wolves literally went to war with grey knights
and almost got their homeworld bombed to shit
sour hornet
space wolves literally went to war with grey knights
I like these guys already
tough haven
space wolves literally went to war with grey knights
Months of shame, more like months of peak
sour hornet
Who won the fight though
tough haven
Unfortunately space wolves are boring and one note
fallen plaza
I like these guys already
Space wolves are hella gay tho so unfortunately you can't root for them
storm jungle
Who won the fight though
the Inquisition did
sour hornet
Fick
paper stirrup
Unfortunately space wolves are boring and one note
Le space vikings
raven stone
Wolves are a mixed bag.
They had to be monsters at Prospero, to do good at Armageddon.
sour hornet
Fuck
crystal forum
it was more like a pyrrhic victory
storm jungle
by the climax of the war Fenris was surrounded
tough haven
But they’re one of the ones I kinda find interesting
queen laurel
I like these guys already
They are space marines but worst of all they are stereotypical Viking furry space marines
storm jungle
and the people the Wolves rescued spread daemonic corruption to the planets they escaped
sour hornet
What the fuck is that
tough haven
Le space vikings
Like bro, there’s more to Norse society than “WOLVES WOLVES WOLVES” they just make me sad
tough haven
What the fuck is that
Space wolf
queen laurel
What the fuck is that
a space wolf where the added mutation genes in his gene seed caused him to turn into a werewolf
sour hornet
and agreed to a truce
Isn't that a neutral outcome? Does the Inquisition normally agree to truces?
queen laurel
also known as yes a Wulfen
raven stone
so the Inquisition and GK were right
I mean, did the lore ever clarified whether it caused even more Extermantus...ses, or just "Oh now Cults are everywhere"?
sour hornet
a space wolf where the added mutation genes in his gene seed caused him to turn ...
That seems...
tough haven
Isn't that a neutral outcome? Does the Inquisition normally agree to truces?
They do when you’re useful than dead
Or controllable
crystal forum
Isn't that a neutral outcome? Does the Inquisition normally agree to truces?
they normally expunge entire astartes chapters from existence
sour hornet
Heretical???
fallen plaza
More like gay
tough haven
Heretical???
Emperor did it
crystal forum
space wolves got off easy because plot armour
paper stirrup
space wolves got a pass bc they make gw money lol
storm jungle
I mean, did the lore ever clarified whether it caused even more Extermantus...se...
it was established the Wolves were wrong
people just never talk about it
sour hornet
What casualties did the Inquisition take if they agreed to a truce?
tough haven
It’s the chapters “unique great shame” that every chapter has
tough haven
What casualties did the Inquisition take if they agreed to a truce?
It’s more a pr thing
paper stirrup
I think grimnar killed a few gk
queen laurel
That seems...
nah some chapters have gene seed that have specialized properties to give them more edge it's normal thing but not really appreciated
For example the black dragons which basically makes them into tarkatan space marines
gray umbra
I dont like the wulfen curse
sour hornet
Emperor did it
This guy hates aliens but turns his sons into giant mutated wolf monsters?
crystal forum
it was established the Wolves were wrong
eh it's never clear whether plebs become chaos cultists because they realize how shit the imperium is during chaos invasions or because it's some weird disease of the mind. i prefer the logic route
sour hornet
Why did he do that???
fallen plaza
It's complicated
paper stirrup
nah some chapters have gene seed that have specialized properties to give them m...
werent they declared excommunicae tratoris?
tough haven
This guy hates aliens but turns his sons into giant mutated wolf monsters?
Because the genetic material makes them stronger ig
queen laurel
This guy hates aliens but turns his sons into giant mutated wolf monsters?
This is the same guy that thought to stop people from worshipping him instead of talking to them bombing them is the right way to do it
fallen plaza
Why did he do that???
It's better you watch oculus imperia for a better explanation
His stuff is good
storm jungle
eh it's never clear whether plebs become chaos cultists because they realize how...
it literally says they did
queen laurel
i am not kidding he destroyed planets for that shit
crystal forum
it literally says they did
okay but i dont like it
storm jungle
okay but i dont like it
SHUT UP NERD
sour hornet
This is the same guy that thought to stop people from worshipping him instead of...
What???
gray umbra
I thought a lot of the defects were from the primarchs being warp creations
storm jungle
sour hornet
What in the fuck
tough haven
I thought a lot of the defects were from the primarchs being warp creations
Probably also true
sour hornet
Wouldn't that just make more heretics???
queen laurel
What???
yeah uh his son wanted to worship the emperor as a God and you know instead of lecturing his son, he decided to destroy his work in front of him by blowing up the planets he made to worship his father
crystal forum
SHUT UP NERD
why do astartes get to go through their whole character arcs to chaos but humans have to have this disease that FORCES them to be chaos oriented
queen laurel
trust me this guy is rather not a good one
paper stirrup
Wouldn't that just make more heretics???
Yes! it did in fact do that
raven stone
people just never talk about it
Ah ok. I mean ultimately I would measure it by outcome (I.e. for the setting, a few extra planets developing Chaos Cults is not THAT big of a deal, compared to extra planets being blown up because of taking jn Armaggedon refugees) but it is still nice to know GW actually remembered to write the ending note for that.
paper stirrup
a lot more
gray umbra
Emperor is a bad dad
sour hornet
**START READING THE LORE OR WE ARE GONNA PUSH YOU TO A VAT OF MELTED PLASTIC**
I got into this universe through Imperial Knights I'm SORRY 😭
tough haven
yeah uh his son wanted to worship the emperor as a God and you know instead of l...
What a dumb guy thinks a smart guy looks like
tough haven
I got into this universe through Imperial Knights I'm SORRY 😭
Don’t listen to dilara
crystal forum
knights are a very weird introduction to 40k
queen laurel
I got into this universe through Imperial Knights I'm SORRY 😭
If you have time to understand elden ring lore and lick Miquella's feet you have time to read warhammer
tough haven
That’s one I don’t usually hear
gray umbra
Lorgar was galactically embarrassed by his dad in public
queen laurel
So read you bleed build spamming piece of shit
fallen plaza
He wasn't any better let's not pretend he was
paper stirrup
If you have time to understand elden ring lore and lick Miquella's feet you have...
??
sour hornet
knights are a very weird introduction to 40k
I am a gigantic mech fan
crystal forum
I am a gigantic mech fan
why not titans
sour hornet
I saw them and visibly pogged
crystal forum
also ew anime
fallen plaza
I am a gigantic mech fan
You come from gundam
sour hornet
I come from battletech
fallen plaza
Oh
gray umbra
Titans are gundams no cap
paper stirrup
my intro was dark angels
tough haven
I come from battletech
Have you seen titans?
My intro was orks and admech
Still my favs
paper stirrup
admech is my fav
fallen plaza
I come from battletech
If you want cool battle tech kits search dougram
gray umbra
Intro was DoW
fallen plaza
There stuff is cool
tough haven
My favorite stupid smart person
paper stirrup
admech and iron warriors
gray umbra
And i was instantly enamored by the "BATTLE BRUTHA"
queen laurel
Intro was DoW
same here, that Gorgutz outline was burned into my head
gray umbra
I also thought sindri was cool as fuck as villain
sour hornet
Have you seen titans?
Yes, but from my understanding titan pilots are inherently doomed to become ghosts in the machine, which is decidedly not cash money if you want a family. Or walking.
tough haven
Yes, but from my understanding titan pilots are inherently doomed to become ghos...
It’s just that you join the helm, an echo of you at least
crystal forum
Yes, but from my understanding titan pilots are inherently doomed to become ghos...
it's cozier than being in the guard
tough haven
You get to be independent as a knight
sour hornet
yeah uh his son wanted to worship the emperor as a God and you know instead of l...
The Emperor seems decidedly like a terrible father, but excellent warcrime enabler?
tough haven
Accurate
crystal forum
he's barely a person
storm jungle
The Emperor seems decidedly like a terrible father, but excellent warcrime enabl...
NOW you are getting it
crystal forum
more like a cartoonishly evil character
fallen plaza
Which is a problem I have
queen laurel
The Emperor seems decidedly like a terrible father, but excellent warcrime enabl...
nail on the head
fallen plaza
Mainly his consistency
tough haven
Yes, but from my understanding titan pilots are inherently doomed to become ghos...
Titans can’t not be seperate, it’s like a drug they can’t get enough of, even as it drives them mad and burns out your mind, cause hooking yourself up to a god like engine is not smart
sour hornet
he's barely a person
Was he ever one? He seems like he was born with omniscience from how people talk about him?
tough haven
Was he ever one? He seems like he was born with omniscience from how people talk...
He’s 13 shamans in a trench coat
Not making this up
crystal forum
Mainly his consistency
if only abnett wrote a guideline for other writers since he's the lore messiah apparently
fallen plaza
if only abnett wrote a guideline for other writers since he's the lore messiah a...
He isn't perfect let's be real
He was responsible for the ultramarines movie
sour hornet
Or actually lore?
tough haven
https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-1...
I don’t remember if that got retconned though
crystal forum
Was he ever one? He seems like he was born with omniscience from how people talk...
we never get a story directly from his perspective and tons of writers had their way with him so he comes off as a psychopath who thinks he's better than everyone
queen laurel
Was he ever one? He seems like he was born with omniscience from how people talk...
he never understood how to be human because he was born as a demigod with superpowers
paper stirrup
if only i knew how to read...
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-1...
that's very old lore but that used to be the case
tough haven
Mostly it’s a mystery
queen laurel
as of now he was basically just like born in the world or something
and like he was alexander the great
or
any other type of ******* history figure i don't ******* know
tough haven
if only i knew how to read...
It’s okay sweet brute, you do other things well 🙂
crystal forum
I don’t remember if that got retconned though
one of the possible origins. no retcons in 40k, only confusion
sour hornet
any other type of ******* history figure i don't ******* know
How fucking old is he?
tough haven
one of the possible origins. no retcons in 40k, only confusion
I kinda love it
queen laurel
How fucking old is he?
he practically can't biologically age
crystal forum
How fucking old is he?
he was born somewhere BC
paper stirrup
ok hadron sorry
queen laurel
so uh
paper stirrup
he's freaking dead
queen laurel
he was very ******* old
gray umbra
BC
sour hornet
we never get a story directly from his perspective and tons of writers had their...
I mean apparently he bombed a populace for worshipping him? So not inaccurate?
crystal forum
and by born i'm being generous since he's barely fucking human
tough haven
one of the possible origins. no retcons in 40k, only confusion
It makes you feel like a imperial citizen in a universe where history is still kept by written text and oral tradition across a fucking galaxy, no one knows what to expect l
crystal forum
I mean apparently he bombed a populace for worshipping him? So not inaccurate?
he had his son attack his other son for doing witchcraft
very normal behavior
this happened multiple times btw
sour hornet
Sons biologically or via metaphysical mitosis?
tough haven
Sons biologically or via metaphysical mitosis?
Both kinda
gray umbra
Somethingsomethingdealwiththechaosgods
tough haven
More like in vitro
sour hornet
Hard to imagine this guy having a girl
tough haven
With a touch of eldritch magic
hallow plover
he had his son attack his other son for doing witchcraft
Who doesn't have their sons fight to death?
queen laurel
Sons biologically or via metaphysical mitosis?
warp based
crystal forum
Hard to imagine this guy having a girl
we wouldn't have the horus heresy if they had a mom
hallow plover
Just makes them stronger
tough haven
Hard to imagine this guy having a girl
It’s like bioengineered
gray umbra
I vaguely recall he had a deal with chaos and then walked out of it because he was a dick
tough haven
I vaguely recall he had a deal with chaos and then walked out of it because he w...
Based
gray umbra
Then the primarchs got scattered
tough haven
Should have written the contract better
sour hornet
Who did they come from though, an actual woman? Or literally the goddamn warp?
hallow plover
Erda?
gray umbra
Test tube
sour hornet
Which is correct?
tough haven
Who did they come from though, an actual woman? Or literally the goddamn warp?
Literally bioengineered and his dna, and sometimes he added extra spice like space wolves
Added some wolf dna and shit
fallen plaza
Ex problems caused all of 40k
hallow plover
What part did Erda play besides the scattering thing
crystal forum
Who did they come from though, an actual woman? Or literally the goddamn warp?
dark age science mumbo jumbo and chaos stuff
tough haven
Which is correct?
It’s the test tube one
paper stirrup
hey guy what do U reccomend getting for Ur first model to paint i don't wnna get ultramarines...
tough haven
hey guy what do U reccomend getting for Ur first model to paint i don't wnna get...
Orks
sour hornet
Okay so they're his sons, so that makes astartes his grandsons? And custodes are?
paper stirrup
Who did they come from though, an actual woman? Or literally the goddamn warp?
uhhh test tube chaos woman yeah ?
gray umbra
Kill team models looked kind of dope
crystal forum
hey guy what do U reccomend getting for Ur first model to paint i don't wnna get...
good thing astartes models come unpainted so you can do any chapter
tough haven
hey guy what do U reccomend getting for Ur first model to paint i don't wnna get...
Cause fucking up just adds to the flare
paper stirrup
true tho
green loom
hey guy what do U reccomend getting for Ur first model to paint i don't wnna get...
What factions do you like
crystal forum
Okay so they're his sons, so that makes astartes his grandsons? And custodes are...
custodes are his bodyguards and caretakers
astartes are the primarch's sons
except if you're angron
he doesnt pay child support
gray umbra
Its primarchs > custodes > astartes i think
sour hornet
Why do random ass dudes guard him and not someone w/ a vested interest?
tough haven
Anyways, enough space marine lore, it’s boring
gray umbra
Astartes are just mass produced soldiers
tough haven
Why do random ass dudes guard him and not someone w/ a vested interest?
They literally cannot betray him
paper stirrup
What factions do you like
admech, death guard, iron warriors r my top 3 in that order
tough haven
Like meticulously master crafted immortals
green loom
admech, death guard, iron warriors r my top 3 in that order
Probably do death g uard then
gray umbra
Custodes have a lot more investment in them than space marines do
crystal forum
Why do random ass dudes guard him and not someone w/ a vested interest?
because these random dudes are generically engineered to be super super soldiers who are 100% loyal to him. astartes were created to conquer the galaxy
he didn't create primarchs for fun
tough haven
Custodes guard the house
paper stirrup
i mean i don't really dislike any factions except for eldar and tau, just don't dig their vibe
gray umbra
You dont like penis helmets?
tough haven
Custodes guard the house
Until after he got put in the funny chair, then his son told them to get off their ass
paper stirrup
i do not like penis helmets
crystal forum
eldar hater
paper stirrup
Custodes guard the house
thye do a bunch of other weird stuff too
paper stirrup
like those ones that go out and guard people that r supposed to be important eventually
rocky gale
For Custodes they take the best kids from the Nobles on Terra and give them artisanal crafted DNA enhancements to supercharge them and raise them to be completely loyal
tough haven
They’re gonna be weird
paper stirrup
all the talons of the emporer r weird
crystal forum
also yes do not confuse custodes with astartes, they are created completely differently
sour hornet
because these random dudes are generically engineered to be super super soldiers...
So Custodes are a fair bit stronger, like between primarchs and astartes, who are they closer to in strength?
gray umbra
For Custodes they take the best kids from the Nobles on Terra and give them arti...
Best sons* 😉
green loom
Marines
crystal forum
So Custodes are a fair bit stronger, like between primarchs and astartes, who ar...
closer to primarchs
gray umbra
Not as good as primarchs but better than marines for sure
crystal forum
Primarchs still pretty casually butcher them
they're not on par. still closer
green loom
No
crystal forum
custodes can easily murder astartes
sour hornet
They've been around for 10K years, guarding the palace and doing esoteric shit, why? Why aren't they proactively fucking daemons up and shit.
crystal forum
whatever custodes are somewhere between primarch and astartes
tough haven
They've been around for 10K years, guarding the palace and doing esoteric shit, ...
Because daddy didn’t say so
sour hornet
How many of these guys are there?
tough haven
Actually maybe they do
crystal forum
They've been around for 10K years, guarding the palace and doing esoteric shit, ...
they are, since recently
tough haven
Like 200
sour hornet
200?!
green loom
How many of these guys are there?
Right now give or take 6000 or so
paper stirrup
How many of these guys are there?
custodes?
10000
they are called the emporer's 10000
crystal forum
obviously not exactly 10k
rocky gale
Yea there are never more than 10k of them
crystal forum
but it's their nickname
paper stirrup
well yeah doi but around there
green loom
A good chunk of them died during the Sack of Lion's Gate and the whole Shadow Throne shitshow
gray umbra
It should be warhammer 42000 now
sour hornet
they are, since recently
Recently? So until now, they've been just fucking around on earth?
tough haven
Anyways, besides space marines, what other lore you wanna learn about? Space marines are kinda a lot of randomly nuanced lore other factions don’t get
tough haven
Recently? So until now, they've been just fucking around on earth?
Yeah pretty much
One of the primarchs told them to do shit
crystal forum
Recently? So until now, they've been just fucking around on earth?
they werent on tabletop so they were ignored
that's the real reason
green loom
The lore reason is probably just shame/lack of orders
green loom
They've always done spy stuff
sour hornet
Like could custodes (theoretically) have ran Abbadon's fade at Cadia?
rocky gale
No
crystal forum
custodes were at cadia
tough haven
Like could custodes (theoretically) have ran Abbadon's fade at Cadia?
No cause plot armor
sour hornet
Like why aren't they headhunting chaos forces?
crystal forum
i think
green loom
Like could custodes (theoretically) have ran Abbadon's fade at Cadia?
Abaddon can pretty casually kill them, and they'd also be outnumbered by a few million
gray umbra
Because gw deemed the plot must move on
crystal forum
but that was a whole black crusade
rocky gale
Custodes can't really do much against a Blackstone Fortress falling ontop of them tbh
crystal forum
it was a LOT of chaos
crystal forum
literally the eye of terror yes
paper stirrup
i HAAAAATE abaddon
green loom
custodes were at cadia
There was one that Trazyn threw out, Abaddon chopped off his head with little effort
crystal forum
also apparently since custodes are written to win every battle they go to in imperial records cadia was considered an imperial victory
sour hornet
Custodes can't really do much against a Blackstone Fortress falling ontop of the...
Was that always the plan?
Or did the plan fuck up so badly he got mad?
tough haven
Was that always the plan?
No he threw a shitfit
After literally everything conspired to fuck with the plan
green loom
No he threw a shitfit
You should probably read Fall of Cadia 
crystal forum
i will make you
sour hornet
There was one that Trazyn threw out, Abaddon chopped off his head with little ef...
That is a bit wild.
gray umbra
Cadia stands
tough haven
i will make you
Hot
crystal forum
yes
green loom
Cadia was gone, the Blackstone fortress was too annoying to control and got crippled, so he cut his losses and tossed it at Cadia once the pylons turned on
paper stirrup
look at this idiot
fallen plaza
I wanna see them in solar pattern armor
tough haven
I might have oversimplified lol
paper stirrup
i hope robot gorillaman rips his face off