40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

because if i do this i'm equipping all my marines with autocannons

please zimmer i need you

[fallen plaza]

What exact kit you getting

[crystal forum]

i already got the mkIII battle force

no rules tho

no anythkng

should i get more units first

i could save up to buy the starter pack

but also the mechanicum pack looks so funny

those fucking robot zombos

and funny tortured robot

and the battle bus

[fallen plaza]

I say weapons, then mech

[crystal forum]

no start pack?

the one with all the mk6

[fallen plaza]

Just use the mk3 you have

Remember the bigger the pile, the straighter you are

Once they are done do the others

[crystal forum]

fuck

ok

thanks

:3

[fallen plaza]

Your welcome

[crystal forum]

ur nice

[fallen plaza]

😁

Thanks

[dusk patrol]

They have a lot of rare weapon like graviton, volkite, and augmetic weapon yes. Graviton weapons in particular are one of their signatures.

[crystal forum]

so i can buy a lot of graviton

[dusk patrol]

For Heresy yes, for 40k idk how well it’s supported table top wise

Heresy there’s some super wacky combos you can do with it

Like Dual Grav pistol Moritats

Which annihilate Dreads and Vehicles

Very good for playing against dorks that dread spam in heresy

Yeah, although generally they’re just attach it to their person

[crystal forum]

no im doing 30k right now

[dusk patrol]

Then yeah

Lots of grav spam

Iirc you can replace any pistol with a grav pistol and some other stuff

Rapier Grav cannons also shred

They’re ideal for bigger targets like vehicles but they kill other stuff fine too

Immortals with them is also pretty good

[opaque coyote]

Are Grav weapons still a thing in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Ik boltgun has Malum use one

[opaque coyote]

Lemme guess they're rare and can barely be made

[dusk patrol]

The above image is a normal Iron Hand tactical with a grav pistol.

[dusk patrol]

Generally

Perks of being a first founding chapter.

And close ties to the Ad Mech.

[opaque coyote]

Fantastic

[crystal forum]

do iron hands like tanks

[dusk patrol]

That is kinda their main thing.

[opaque coyote]

Aren't Iron Hands tactics usually just

[dusk patrol]

Armored Warfare

[crystal forum]

i want to be an iron hand now

[opaque coyote]

"Go forward to enemy, shoot at them til death. No retreat"

[dusk patrol]

They like to do massive coordinated assaults.

[crystal forum]

you had me at tank

[dusk patrol]

They tend to deploy with a huge amount of the chapter at once.

[opaque coyote]

The bad part about being an iron hand tho is that they generally suffer from dysphoria

Like

[dusk patrol]

They can also link up their minds over the noosphere to create perfect fields of fire.

[opaque coyote]

Dysphoria to the point where they replace parts that really don't need to be

[dusk patrol]

Its a mix.

They don't need to but it does make them stronger.

[opaque coyote]

That is true

[dusk patrol]

They don't do it for no reason.

Theres some insane stuff the augmetics do, especially artificer ones made by the Iron Fathers.

[opaque coyote]

But at the same time

If your feet are fine. Do you REALLY need to replace them completely?

Also the fact that they maybe dimming their souls by doing this

[dusk patrol]

Their view is that yes because its better.

They don't care otherwise.

[crystal forum]

dimming soul? doesnt that make you less visible to demons anyways

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that anesthetic is generally rare in the Imperium for no reason

[dusk patrol]

Their one goal is to maximize efficiency with their units and minimize their casualties.

[opaque coyote]

Yes but it also fucks with your mental health

Shockingly enough, taking away parts of your soul is BAD

As for Blanks, again, we have no idea wtf they are

[opaque coyote]

They're the type of mfs to put citizens in fucking storage boxes cause it's more efficient

[dusk patrol]

They're fine with civilian casualties if it is deemed neccsary yes.

[opaque coyote]

"Is that normal... Crying?"

"MY FAMILY. AAAAHHH."

"pfft weak. We don't have emotions."

"Ferrus Manus is dead."

"YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID BIT-"

[dusk patrol]

Like when they liberated Mordian from a Daemonic invasion they landed on key civilian/Iron Guard holdouts they deemed valuable or sufficiently effective to be worth saying, had squads led by Iron Fathers deployed void shields on those spots, then after the shields were up leveled the fuck out of the rest of the planet.

[arctic talon]

tbh they were rare and hard to make even back then

[opaque coyote]

I think my favorite part about their iron hands is their hatred.

Specifically despite how much they hate the enemies of the Imperium.

They also really, really hate themselves

Like that's part of the reason why they replace body parts

[dusk patrol]

They hyper focus on any failures

[opaque coyote]

They want to be stronger. Better.

Because they weren't when their primarch was dead

They weren't strong enough

At least that's what they think

[dusk patrol]

They're one of the few chapters which don't see their primarch as some flawless ideal.

Arguably the only one.

[opaque coyote]

They believe emotion got Ferrus killed

Tbf it kinda was

So they dampen it or remove it

[dusk patrol]

They see him as a very effective leader and soldier who was flawed and blinded by his faults.

He's not the pinnacle, you should seek to be like him and better.

[opaque coyote]

In the end, they are sons

Who miss their father

[dusk patrol]

Eh

Some of them

[opaque coyote]

Okay uhh

They are permanently in the anger stage of grief

[dusk patrol]

in 40k a lot of it isn't relevant and even in 30k it varied.

[opaque coyote]

No wait that's the blood angels

They're just weird

The cool type of weird

[dusk patrol]

They just consider someone to always be striving to be better, and they hyper focus on any failures in combat

And seek to correct them.

[opaque coyote]

They're the kid that cries when they get a 97% instead of 100%

[dusk patrol]

They also run simulations endlessly before combat and landing

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

And if they do execute perfect, then they did their job.

There's no reward for meeting expectations.

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately this focus on perfection

...

Is ironically their flaw

[dusk patrol]

Not really

[opaque coyote]

And it is why Slaanesh got their grubby hands on some of them

SOME

Of them

[dusk patrol]

Their flaw was based on restraining all emotion.

And also Kristos had other issues going on.

[winter vessel]

Ferrus Manus be rolling in the grave like the Olympic Australian dancer if he saw the state of his Iron Hands right now

[dusk patrol]

It was a major power struggle in the chapter.

[dusk patrol]

Eh maybe, he's probably be proud of a lot of what they have done too.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly surprised the Emperor wasn't constantly shaking

And screaming

Even while being dead

[winter vessel]

Bones just combust for no reason

[dusk patrol]

Held off the 10th Black Crusade of the Iron Warriors and Black Legion combined by themselves, repelled a massive traitor armored assault during the 13th in the biggest armored conflict since the heresy, repelled Typhus's warband and more Death Guard.

[opaque coyote]

YOU MOTHER FUCKERS-

[dusk patrol]

Liberated Mordian, destroyed a transcendant C'Tan.

[opaque coyote]

"Sons. I am proud of you. For standing strong in this dark time, even without me. For being the bulwark of the Imperium.

But please

Stop cutting your fucking limbs off."

[dusk patrol]

He was aware and acknowledged that the augmetics made them stronger which is why he allowed them

[opaque coyote]

• Ferrus Manus

[dusk patrol]

He didn't think it was good for the long term though after the GC

But the war never ended

[crystal forum]

considering other chapters, iron hands arent that bad

[dusk patrol]

He also encouraged the invividaul thought of the clans and opposition to his own ideals to some extent.

[opaque coyote]

They really aren't

[dusk patrol]

They're extremely decorated and effective

Despite rejecting all accoaldes and monuments to them.

[opaque coyote]

They aren't intentionally assholes.

They just kinda

Are if that makes any sense

[dusk patrol]

They're cold hearted

[opaque coyote]

Mainly due to the fact that some of them literally dull their emotions

[dusk patrol]

They have no issues with shooting through a civilian to kill the hostage taker if its the option with the best likely outcome.

They're also not a monolith

They don't often agreed on how much augmetics are too much or how emotional or what you should be.

[winter vessel]

They sound like my co-worker’s personality

[crystal forum]

yeah they dont have a single chapter master which is crazy

[dusk patrol]

‘My sons,’ said Ferrus, his voice like beaten lead, his demand for absolute perfection in all things like a hand pressing bowed heads towards the ground. ‘You shame me.’

The Iron Hands adored their brutal father, but biddable they were not. They responded to their primarch’s accusation with predictable outcry. It could not last. Their choler was, to his, as a candle flame to a vacuum.

This line

Basically explains their relationship with Ferrus

[opaque coyote]

Basically if a terrorist holds somebody hostage.

The Salamanders may actually TRY to negotiate to them first.

The Malevolent would shoot both several times and piss on their corpses.

And the Iron Hand would likely shoot through the hostage, but aim it just right so that it'll only injure them. But also kill the hostage taker.

[dusk patrol]

Ferrus is doing a big speech on how he's disappionted with them, and they've failed. And their first response is to say "Hey fuck you I'm not the problem."

[winter vessel]

Is there any named member or even someone from a successor chapter who isn’t acting like a calculator? Like they have some degree of empathy for basic human life

[dusk patrol]

A lot of them

This guys whole thing kinda explains why Stronos has been their best leader ever.

And where arguably Ferrus and Meduson failed.

[opaque coyote]

Ferrus is proud of their free thought

Be again, he really wants them to stop cutting off their limbs when it's NOT NEEDED

[dusk patrol]

You can't lead them by trying to change them.

[opaque coyote]

But Ferrus is also flawed as well

[dusk patrol]

They're going to be like they are, and they refuse to change unless they deem it beneficial to do so.

You have to harness those differences between the clans and their memebers and use them as they are.

Stronos has been their leader for 600 years because he's been effective at doing that.

No one else has led the Iron Hands for 600 years.

[opaque coyote]

Local man is actually good at his job

A fucking amazing achievement in the Imperium

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, he genuinely does sound pretty cool

[dusk patrol]

Ferrios has been their Master of the Forge even longer

And he has a similar mindset

Which he passed onto Stronos and others.

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I think the Iron Hands are my favorite because like

Take Super Soldier

Now add EXTRA LIMBS

[crystal forum]

where do iron hands recruit from

[opaque coyote]

They're basically all Adam Smashers tbh

[dusk patrol]

Medusa and its surrounding worlds.

Medusa primarily, despite it having an extremely population.

[opaque coyote]

Wasn't Medusa like

A hellhole or am I wrong

[dusk patrol]

only 500,000 people.

[dusk patrol]

Was and is

[crystal forum]

damn

[opaque coyote]

Why TF do SM chapters keep recruiting in hellholes istg

[dusk patrol]

Cause it works, and its part of their culture.

[crystal forum]

thankfully iron hands arent popular so nids didn't desecrate it yet

[dusk patrol]

It does seem to make viable candidates more likely.

[winter vessel]

would you rather get em a from pleasure world?

[dusk patrol]

Medusa has been attacked more than Ultramar at this point.

[opaque coyote]

I mean my reasoning is that

"If you can survive getting fucked over by dangerous beasts everyday, you can survive the training"

[dusk patrol]

It's extremely close to the Eye of Terror.

[opaque coyote]

Although the Geneseed is the problem since it has a high failure rate

Since it seems to be based more on genetics I think?

Or maybe the gene seed is just picky af

Fucking DIVA smh

[dusk patrol]

Their geneseed is pretty normal levels of working.

[crystal forum]

fuck

[dusk patrol]

A little bit worse than Ultramarines or Dark Angels

[winter vessel]

uh what the hell kind name is below Neutra

[dusk patrol]

But still low rate of failure.

[queen laurel]

what the hell is this

[crystal forum]

oh fuck medusa is right there

next to both halo stars and eye

[dusk patrol]

Good branding.

[crystal forum]

what are halo stars again

they're like fucked up right

[dusk patrol]

Bermuda Triangle in space

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the only planet that WAS closer to the Eye of Terror was Cadia

[dusk patrol]

Galatic edge with a lot of wacky stuff.

[crystal forum]

so bermuda pyramid

[dusk patrol]

There's some closer but the Medusa sector is super close yes.

[arctic talon]

There’s still planets in the cadian gate

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

That didn’t get eaten up by the great rift

[dusk patrol]

There's a lot of planets in that area

Medusa's system has a lot of planets too.

[opaque coyote]

Also apparently there was a Ordos specifically dedicated to guarding the Cadian gate

Idk if they're out of a job

Or if they're in more work than ever

[dusk patrol]

There was a lot of stuff like that.

[arctic talon]

They’re out of a job

Good thing there’s prolly a new Ordo

About the great rift lol

[north canyon]

who are the sire (name) of house (house) people on the vox comms?

[dusk patrol]

Those chapters ringing it were dedicated to defending it too, plus there was like seven fleet based chapters.

[crystal forum]

"what do we do now, john?"
"i guess we just keep fighting"

[arctic talon]

Nobles of atoman houses

Rich people

[winter vessel]

yeah, and they do jack shit, because idk how a recently made ordo can even draw up plans to seal up an ass crack across the galaxy

[opaque coyote]

You know the funniest thing about nobles in the Imperium is that some of them probably aren't bad people.

But every noble is basically taught to do horrific things and treat it as normal

Like if I remember correctly there is a noble Psyker you can recruit in Rogue Trader

From what I heard, she's actually fairly nice

[arctic talon]

It’s the navigator

She’s

Normalish

She just has weird fucked up morals lol

[crystal forum]

she's lovable

[opaque coyote]

Until she asks you politely why you haven't cut off the tongue of the servants

[arctic talon]

She considers poor people people

Unlike a solid chunk of your crew

[crystal forum]

i can fix her

[opaque coyote]

Which for an Imperium Noble is basically "Lawful Good"

[winter vessel]

didn't she say something about some members of the crew being too loud for her and it gives you the option to like, kill em?

[arctic talon]

Cut their tongue out

She asks about it

[opaque coyote]

Also apparently if you tell her

"Dude... The servants need to TALK to do their job."

I think she actually gives her servant a vox

[arctic talon]

Yep

[winter vessel]

good to know she cares

[opaque coyote]

It doesn't fully fix the fact that she...

Cut off their servant's tongue in the first place

But it's a nice gesture

[arctic talon]

Like of your companions the people who consider poor people people are like under half the party

[opaque coyote]

I need to buy Rogue Trader

I really do

It looks so fun

[winter vessel]

i'm just bummed the SOB isn't romanceable.

[opaque coyote]

That's a shame

But eh

There better be a gay option though

[fallen plaza]

No reason it doesn't have it

[opaque coyote]

Lemme check if there is actually

[fallen plaza]

You can sex dark aeldar in the game

My friend did it and it was apparently quite hard

[winter vessel]

I mean you're trying to get some butt with an individual who's faction has a reputation in making living furniture. Marazhai's the kind of guy who tells you when it's coming by the time its already in.

[opaque coyote]

The only option for gay males is the DELDAR

...

[fallen plaza]

Somehow my friend did it, so props to him

[opaque coyote]

Welp

I can fix hi-

[arctic talon]

There is

[arctic talon]

You can

Sort of

[opaque coyote]

Oh wow actually

Juh

[winter vessel]

I still don't understand the appeal for Heinrix when it comes to his romance route

[arctic talon]

don’t become ||his bottom or else|| it becomes a lot harder

[opaque coyote]

There are two for lesbians.

Jae and Yrliet

[arctic talon]

Yirlet isn’t a proper romance

Tbh

It’s more like you’re her bestie lol

[winter vessel]

doesn't she still call you Monkeigh even after you have a good companion level with her?

[arctic talon]

Only when she’s mad but yes

[winter vessel]

"when she's mad" hmmm...i'll give it a pass

[arctic talon]

I think I’d rather Marhazai call me a slur then the pet names he uses when you’re his bottom

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's equivalent to a ex-racist going back to slurs as an old habit

[queen laurel]

she still calls me that every time in battle ya red runt

[arctic talon]

I don’t count the battle lines

They don’t update lol

[queen laurel]

i just wish they did because it's annoying in hearing her say it for the one billionth time

[arctic talon]

I agree

[winter vessel]

I'ev seen so many players fawn over Heinrix

[arctic talon]

They get really repetitive

[arctic talon]

He’s cute

He’s kind of a dork personality wise

I can see why

[opaque coyote]

Lemme see how he looks like

[queen laurel]

yes he is very much convertible into a bottom

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

At least you don’t have to brand him

[opaque coyote]

I mean he looks cute

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah spoiler ig

[opaque coyote]

Too bad he's straight only tho

So disappointing

[arctic talon]

But you get to brand Marhazai

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Or he brands you

Lol

[opaque coyote]

What da fuck

That some type of kink or smth

Wby

[arctic talon]

Yes

But also it’s to mark you as his sub lol

Or the other way around

[opaque coyote]

It's the burning type of mark right

[arctic talon]

Yes

What other kind

[opaque coyote]

Wow Imperium is really into some kinky shit

[arctic talon]

Well

It’s a drukhari thing

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Oh right

Yeah fair

...

[winter vessel]

friend, it's the grimdark future. The only outlet humanity has besides killing is either drugs or fucking

[opaque coyote]

Seriously tho rogue Trader looks fun

[arctic talon]

Marahazi is like

very sweet

by Drukhari standards

[opaque coyote]

So that's why Slaanesh happened

[queen laurel]

trust me it's a good story but some elements of it can get rather repetitive

[arctic talon]

he doesn't even torture you by mutilating you lol

[opaque coyote]

Shocking honestly

Torture is like

Their #1 thing

[queen laurel]

that's like saying he didn't kill a lot by dictator standards

[arctic talon]

He pretty much wants you to be his pet

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[opaque coyote]

...

[queen laurel]

he is still from a race of killers

[arctic talon]

And that happens in one of the romance endings

for him

[opaque coyote]

I mean...

Uh

...

[arctic talon]

LOL

[winter vessel]

actually we chalk it up to the guys who got the build of a vegan

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

He has like a few endings lol

my favorite one is the one where he becomes a Clown

[queen laurel]

To be fair if I have him as a pet I can at least throw in a shard of god in the equation

[arctic talon]

my least favorite one is where he ends up being a tretcherous piece of shit and backstabbing you lol

[winter vessel]

in bed: honk honk

[queen laurel]

And rule my own empire

[arctic talon]

but w/e

[opaque coyote]

There was definitely some Eldar who was like

[arctic talon]

then brand him smh

Do it you coward

[opaque coyote]

Really high and thought it was part of his trip

"damn this party is wild. They even have strobe lig-"

[queen laurel]

how about i punch you to death with my hands

[opaque coyote]

SOUL SUCKED BY SLAANESH

[winter vessel]

I just love the face in this art, it captures the oh shit but you're still too preoccupied having a good time to change your expression

[arctic talon]

Oh the funniest thing is when you end up becoming his dom uh you get to parade around the fact you branded him

in front of his own Kabal

in fact he disapproves if you don't do so

LOL

[opaque coyote]

...you probably walk him like a dog don't you?

[queen laurel]

masochistic fuck

[winter vessel]

sounds like a guy who earned his rite of passage to his Frat group Buddies in College

[arctic talon]

not really lol

but when one of his underlings calls him a bitch he threatens to skin them alive lol

[opaque coyote]

"I know there is something really bad going on. But at the same time, I really want to continue this banging ass tune."

[arctic talon]

was that not obvious?

his whole romance is like huge sadomasochist vibes the whole time

[opaque coyote]

Don't Deldar sometimes want to get killed

[queen laurel]

Dilara definitely has taste on certain patterns

[opaque coyote]

Cause they're masochistic like that

[arctic talon]

Uh

[queen laurel]

that's all i'm gonna say

[arctic talon]

death is a bit too far

unless a haemonculi can revive them

in which that case I'm sure some freak would want to experience it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah usually it's a Deldar that has that

Like they know a Haemonculi can bring them back so they're like

[winter vessel]

no. because they still run the inevitable risk of getting Soul Sucky Sucky by She Who Thirsts

[opaque coyote]

"Oh yeah baby, kill me"

[arctic talon]

Marahazi is like

kind of poor lol

as is his kabal

[opaque coyote]

Cause they're so fucking bored

That being in risk of getting your soul sucked is the only way for them to feel something

[winter vessel]

was that his reasoning of being employed again? i forgot in RT

[queen laurel]

I still love the fact that canonically my character using the old FGG lifting chart can literally deck an ogryn on his own

[opaque coyote]

Imagine having a Deldar be begged to be killed by somebody. While the SM just suffers a blue screem for a second.

"I must kill Xenos. But Xenos want to be killed???"

"WHAT KIND OF TRICKERY IS THIS???'

[arctic talon]

he loses favor and gets shoved into a death fight in an arena

thats how he ends up joining you

[winter vessel]

yeah that'll do it in the Drukhari Hierarchy

[arctic talon]

or you kill him

lol

[crystal forum]

my nonbinary twink prince

[arctic talon]

and then you kill his sister

and he essentially becomes defacto leader

but he sticks with you because he has nothing better to do

[opaque coyote]

I'm just imagining your rogue trader just fucking 360's her

[arctic talon]

Its probably

[crystal forum]

more like

[arctic talon]

one of the most brutal fights in the game

[crystal forum]

no

[winter vessel]

nah, crowbar to the shins

[opaque coyote]

How does he actually survive in the ship btw

[crystal forum]

still not as bad as samus

[opaque coyote]

Since yk

[crystal forum]

no wait

aurora

[arctic talon]

I said one of

Aurora is bad

[opaque coyote]

Deldar require torture to stave off slaanesh

Does he just go to the engine area and watch the slaves

[arctic talon]

his victims are the people you kill in the field lol

[crystal forum]

what kind of space marine is called aurora

that's a fucking girl name

[arctic talon]

also there's enough passive suffering

he just hangs out with the poor people for a bit

LOL

[opaque coyote]

cause it's an imperial ship

[arctic talon]

Also

[opaque coyote]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

there is an event

where it gets really bad

and he really needs to start murdering some people while onboard

[winter vessel]

sounds like a cocaine addiction, which tracks with all Dark Eldar essentially

[arctic talon]

and the options are tie him down and lock him in a room until it subsides, give him some prisoners and criminals, just let him hunt the poor people lol

[opaque coyote]

Probably just give him the prisoners

[arctic talon]

it doesn't matter which of the 3 you pick

[opaque coyote]

I mean they're gonna be used like target practice anyways

[arctic talon]

but I opted to use the prisoners and criminals lol

[opaque coyote]

Like a true Imperial (tm)

[arctic talon]

its a stellar bait and switch

you have to be honest here lol

you kill a cult leader

she's obviously Aurora

WRONG

[opaque coyote]

||ignore the consorting with xenos part||

[arctic talon]

I AM AURORA SON OF LORGAR HERALD OF THE FINAL DAWN

[winter vessel]

it's like telling him what he should and should not eat at on a diet. "NO! bad Marazhai, we don't kill my essential crew." tosses prisoner "take this one instead."

[arctic talon]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah you basically just become very close friends with Yrielet right

[arctic talon]

yep

[opaque coyote]

friends with benefits

[queen laurel]

well as close as an elder can be to a human

[opaque coyote]

but yeah

from what i read anyways

[arctic talon]

the most sexual it gets is hugging + meditating naked

[queen laurel]

No she genuinely sticks with you because you're one of the few people that aren't * **** if you're playing the good guy route

[arctic talon]

tbh the Chaos Route is literally terrible for everyone involved but Idira

and like

The Word Bearer companion

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

What

[opaque coyote]

nah there's definitely something going on with the meditating there

[winter vessel]

that's pretty tame as far as i can tell

[opaque coyote]

why tf do you need to meditate naked

[arctic talon]

its a cultural thing

[opaque coyote]

she's lying

100%

[arctic talon]

idk

[opaque coyote]

there is no fucking way that's actually in eldar culture

[arctic talon]

I'd believe it lol

I mean

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

CWE are still kind of like

wild

tame and ascetic by Eldar standards is like

taking enough drugs to kill a human

and drinking enough to cause liver failure

lol

[winter vessel]

they remind me of Corpos in Cyberpunk. They might look like an upstanding and wealthy entrepenur, but in the bedroom, you got 12 kinds of freaky going on in there

[arctic talon]

maybe she is lying, maybe she isn't

I think its sweet

I think Act 3's intro + some companion stuff in act 3 is like

some of the worst writing in the game by far

but w/e the rest of the game is good

[hallow plover]

Idira opens to the voices and becomes lunatic and she becomes a future telling blob of flesh

[arctic talon]

Yeah

could be worse really

[hallow plover]

The only who gets a good ending is you and uralon

[arctic talon]

you could have cracked her open like a slim jim and offered up her soul

yeah thats true

[hallow plover]

And winterscale

[queen laurel]

Cassia i will say it's pretty good

It's the classic princess that didn't know any better story

[arctic talon]

I think I killed him for my chaos play through

💀

[hallow plover]

I gaslighted him to Khorne

[arctic talon]

LOL

[hallow plover]

Doloroso to Nurgle

Kek

[arctic talon]

I do find it funny literally everyone dissaproves

of the halo device

for obvious reasons

[hallow plover]

Man I screwed so many lives in my heretic playthrough

[arctic talon]

doloroso is genuinely pretty unhinged already

he puts up a great act though

[hallow plover]

His fall to Nurgle is great

[arctic talon]

Chaos playthrough is genuinely so evil lol

[hallow plover]

Abelard post game is sad

[arctic talon]

shame it kind of lacks content at times

but w/e

it feels less fleshed out then Owlcats other evil playthroughs

[hallow plover]

He just reunited his whole family to a feast and poisons them all so they can all be together forever

[soft thunder]

Always post this when relevant

[winter vessel]

Croc in the Khorne Gym

[arctic talon]

LOL

I really don’t get how yirlet and marazahi stick with you for a second once you get chaosy

But you can sacrifice them so

[hallow plover]

Yea I let marazhai get slaanesh'd the first warp jump we made

And Yrliet got snacked on at my altar

Deserved tbh

[soft thunder]

Lexicanum cites sources and stays up to date on making sure all statements are cited. More succinct and to the point; cut and dry.

The Fandom does not, and when it does it isn't done well.

[hallow plover]

I also like gaslighting Nomos into believing me

What a gullible ai lmao

[opaque coyote]

It's just that she didn't know things like

"cutting off people's tongues is bad"

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also I am gonna ask a random person this because

uhhh

anyways

You think that a Lamenter's Khornate Berserker is possible?

Basically, I want him in a calm rage
Like he doesn't shout

He barely even talks

He's just so pissed off at the world that he literally doesn't even speak

Just occasionally grunts and makes gestures

[arctic talon]

yes

[fallen plaza]

That's like saying can a space marine fall to chaos

Well, duh.

[winter vessel]

GASP "who coulda thunk it?"

[outer wave]

There is a Berzerker in one of the books that is pretty calm and has picked up gardening as a hobby

[opaque coyote]

fair enough lmao

[outer wave]

Issue is that the gardening involves feeding meat to carnivorous plants

[opaque coyote]

But essentially, it's during the years in the warp.

He snapped

Just got so pissed off one day

[winter vessel]

I was imagining a little table sized zen garden, where he uses a tiny rake

[opaque coyote]

could still be the same thing

but occasionally feeding a person

[outer wave]

I still think a Berzerker attempting to quell his rage via meditation and such would be fly as fuck

[arctic talon]

Berzerker surgeons are a thing

they're very good at their jobs

[fallen plaza]

(Edited)

[opaque coyote]

Either that or it was just a lamenter that snapped during the pentient crusade

Just one straw too far for them

[winter vessel]

you think a world eater ever got interred into a Deredeo during the Great Crusade at some point? But he absolutely refuses to use ranged weapons so he just uses his feet to kick the enemy

[opaque coyote]

tbh becoming a dreadnought in a chaos chapter is a fate worse than death

usually they end up turning mad

literally chained down to their beds

I think there was an excerpt where a CSM realized he was about to be interred and literally begged for death

lemme find it actually

Here it is

"No. No! Not the sarcophagus... Khorne damn you, you disloyal curs, just kill me. JUST KILL ME!"

• Khalos the Ravager before getting interred into a Helbrute

[fallen plaza]

World eaters get assigned to reload demolishers

So no reason they can't

[winter vessel]

guess I'm more used to seeing them so melee oriented, but it'd be funny they just don't use Deredeo's arsenal out of spite

[fallen plaza]

And also, I don't think world eaters got the implants during the great crusade

Either that or very late into it, not familiar with the primarch timeline

[tough haven]

Why don’t chaos warband just put a daemon in a helbrute

Or automate it without a daemon

It’s not like they have the imperial edicts to prevent them from doing it

In rogue trader ||Ulfar can be interred in a dreadnaught and has a similar reaction where he begs for death, but the space wolves just laugh at how irrational he’s being||

[paper haven]

The world eater books are my favorites because some of them genuinely are trying to chill out

[opaque coyote]

They do.

Just with the person inside it also

As for why

Idk Chaos people are just

Like that yo

*yk

[paper haven]

Don't the Iron warriors do basically exactly that?

[arctic talon]

every one of the legions does it tbh

The Iron Warriors really like doing it bcs free manpower

[dusk patrol]

Chaos Warband dreads typically eventually become helbrutes

It’s part of why Contemptors are highly valued by CSM, they’re resistant to that for whatever reason

(GW didn’t wanna make a chaos model and so they made that lore)

But its a fluffy lore point

[opaque coyote]

Apparently being stuck awake 24/7 while daemons gnaw at the remnants of your mind and insides isn't a pleasant feeling to experience 24/7

[dusk patrol]

Spending a bunch of time on a chaos ship or in the Eye of Terror corrupts your ass

Who knew

[opaque coyote]

Also this quote kinda terrifies me

Because like

CSMs generally experience a lot

If they start begging for death

Then that means that whatever's gonna happen is gonna be beyond horrific

/painful

I don't feel bad for him. But I do pity him

Because CSMs do know what happens if they die

They basically get their souls absorbed by their chaos god

So fully knowing that at still begging for death is ..

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Being in a loyalist dread is bad enough as it’s described

Sensory deprivation, going from someone whose body can do and experience insane things to nothing, losing your memory, your mind and mental are drained from the weight of years

Helbrutes are way worse

[opaque coyote]

They're basically asleep most of the time to prevent half the experience of the helbrutes

[dusk patrol]

More reason why being an Iron Hand is based, becoming a dread is just dope

Notation: This environment is rich in acceptable targets.

[opaque coyote]

I think there was a excerpt where a Primaris marine gets interred

And genuinely feels fear

[dusk patrol]

That’s cause he’s a bitch

[opaque coyote]

Because the sheer isolation and sensory deprivation is far more terrifying than bullets, blood, and death

He gets over it rather quickly tho

[opaque coyote]

That does look fucking awesome

[dusk patrol]

Now eat eight hateful barrels of firepower

[opaque coyote]

Although it makes me wonder if adding like

Touch sensors to dreadnoughts would actually help them stay more sane

Like being able to feel

[dusk patrol]

They have some sense of touch and feeling

It’s just hollow

[opaque coyote]

"I got 8 fucking barrels, and I will use them all"

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

[dusk patrol]

Actually an absurd amount of hate too considering those are all super auto cannons

[opaque coyote]

Like they can clearly feel it's artificial instead of flesh

Especially since they can probably hear like

Their organs inside their fucking box

[dusk patrol]

It’s not the same basically, they go from super human demigod senses to a machine mimicking those

They can still feel and sense what’s going on and see all around them but it doesn’t feel like anything

It’s just the information being sent to them

They can’t really smell it or feel it

Which is why Iron Hands are more adept at adapting to being dreads, they’re used to and don’t care as much about losing those sensations

[opaque coyote]

Also Custodes Dreadnoughts exist

Which do look really cool

And are closer to like

Being human shaped instead of

"box with gun shoot yes"

[dusk patrol]

They’re very baller

Huge, insane armor even for dreads, more dexterous

Shields

[opaque coyote]

"WEAKLING. SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM THE FLESH AND YOU WILL BE FREE."

-iron hand dreadnought

[opaque coyote]

I fucking love that gigantic cannon and double barrel combo.

Dude got a sniper and double barrel

[dusk patrol]

For awhile they had a dreadnought Iron Captain who led one of their clans but I think he’s since died

[opaque coyote]

Far and short range covered

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Telemom are wild

The others are insane too

But Telemon is the craziest

[opaque coyote]

Custodes are cool in general.

I'm actually happy that female Custodes exist

Even though they probably look exactly the same as the male ones since the Emperor did his magical juju when they were babies

So their hormones and development cycle are probably screwed up to the point that they're all the same.

Like at best, the difference is like. Slightly longer hair and no dongus.

But that's no fun

Giant golden female brainwashed space warriors

Yippee

[dusk patrol]

We'll see eventually

[storm jungle]

That would not be the case at all. Custodians are made from arcane genetical science, it has nothing to do with hormonal changes/tweaks, thats space marine jargon which is the cruder transhuman science stuff. GW itself would never either go in such a direction either if it came to a head upgrade sprue because no one wants to play as a ugly brickfaced woman, its why even before the lore revelation people tended to use female stormcast heads for femtodes on several occassions.

[storm jungle]

Custodians are also all mastercrafted and look different, the books sometimes even describe them as greek statueesque/beautiful to a big degree.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so ig that means that the custodes women would basically look fucking gorgeous huh

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[opaque coyote]

Hm

[storm jungle]

Imagine just Kassandra from AC: Odyssey but bigger

https://tenor.com/view/kassandra-assassins-creed-odyssey-ac-odyssey-assassins-creed-gif-25205435

[opaque coyote]

Yippee for muscular women

Although they wear that armor 99.99% of the time

So you probably can even fucking see them

[storm jungle]

I mean it depends

[dusk patrol]

We have zero canon depictions of them currently so we don’t know

[storm jungle]

That doesnt really matter

we got a ton of book descriptions of them looking pretty normal

[opaque coyote]

As normal as a 10 foot tall super human can get anyways

[storm jungle]

like the exact sentence literally goes "He looked gorgeus as hell but he did not care about this, hes a custodian"

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

That doesn’t mean we know what GW is gonna choose to do when they actually depict them

[storm jungle]

Knowing how they do minis, they will

idk why you expect the opposite

they are here to appeal to players

[dusk patrol]

I mean I have some guesses but we don’t know yet

[opaque coyote]

Daemonettes die in the presence.

Not because of any actual anti warp presence or weaponry.

But because their sheer jealousy fucking banishes them instantly

[dusk patrol]

Which is my point

[storm jungle]

They have a good hint of gigantism but thats kind of it, they look pretty normal

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that is indeed

A human face

Hes

[dusk patrol]

More current Valdor art is much more fucked up looking

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I kinda imagined them like this 24/7

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[storm jungle]

Anyway they will just have amazonian features like female stormcast more or less and it will be that. GW head models in general either hit or miss so its not that big of a deal.

[dusk patrol]

I do like that art because his expression is great

[green loom]

Eldar face hours

[opaque coyote]

Because the expression is basically

[green loom]

Also kinda looks like Neave lol

[opaque coyote]

"Are you done?"

[opaque coyote]

"Can I get back to work now?"

[opaque coyote]

I remember seeing a meme comic where a Custodes literally just left his armor outside since nobody could tell if somebody was actually wearing it or not

And he went out to like take a short break

[opaque coyote]

Why TF does Valdor have a very short mohawk

Shave that shit off

[storm jungle]

bad artistic direction mostly

same with his goofy ass cheek-pipes

[dusk patrol]

It’s been his look for a long time

[storm jungle]

But yeah he looks pretty normal in all of these

[opaque coyote]

I actually like how Emps looks in this

Also why TF doesn't Valdor have long luscious hair huh?

If the Emperor built them to be his companions. They should all have long, beautiful locks of hair. Flowing in the wind

[dusk patrol]

Because he has a Mohawk

[opaque coyote]

/j

[dusk patrol]

Custodes basically never have long hair that I can recall

[storm jungle]

aside from Valdor we also have other custodian examples in art too

[dusk patrol]

It’s always short

[storm jungle]

the left guy is literally that gigachad doctor

[opaque coyote]

Probably due to practical reasons since they actually wear helmets

[dusk patrol]

So do marines

It’s just their style

[storm jungle]

Its another case of artistic direction

custodians got like

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-shaun-murphy-the-good-doctor-gif-16641093576353373368

[storm jungle]

a ton of freedom in how they can look appearance wise

[dusk patrol]

They always have short Roman hair cuts basically

Or are bald

[storm jungle]

Me when im a hair designer and my opponent is a 40k astartes barber

🧑‍🦲

[dusk patrol]

It fits into their deal, outwardly it’s hard to tell them apart

They don’t care about standing out to anyone but eachother

[storm jungle]

Idk about "deal", theres not exactly a strict code when it comes to hairstyles among them same with their hobbies.

again its just convenient artistic presentation.

[dusk patrol]

And they can all tell who eachother is without needing markers or whatever

[opaque coyote]

Honestly again

My OC Idea of having a designer fall into Slaanesh purely because there is no choices of hair cuts and clothing for the Imperium would be funny.

"What do you mean I have to cut him bald? Can't they ask for a different hair cut JUST ONE TIME??"

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

It’s a thing that they don’t stand out as different to normies largely

It’s hard to tell them apart

And they’re very ok with that

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again they are all their unique person, some are like automatons but some specialize how they look.

[dusk patrol]

Yes but we’re talking visuals

[storm jungle]

i mean the visuals are "well duh"

its 40k

[dusk patrol]

That’s the symbolism of their deeds and stuff being inside their armor

[opaque coyote]

Yeah apparently they can disguise themselves really well as mutants

[storm jungle]

anything with gigantism tbh

[dusk patrol]

They have tech and shit for that

[storm jungle]

just put on a cloak

[dusk patrol]

Holograms or just actual disguises

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it would be funny to have an Eye of the Emperor pretend to be an Ogyrn

[dusk patrol]

It’s happened

At least for a Blood Games guy

[storm jungle]

Laati you literally said that happened yourself

[opaque coyote]

I might have dementia

[storm jungle]

like, a few days ago

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

I am half Ogyrn pls forgive

... actually do half Ogyrns even exist

Probably not

[dusk patrol]

Not that we’re aware of

[opaque coyote]

...I hope not

[storm jungle]

half-abhumans arent a thing no

[dusk patrol]

Although a Darktide career implies it but

[storm jungle]

never been mentioned

[dusk patrol]

That’s more goofiness of their early options

[storm jungle]

Its not really that tbh

[paper haven]

Why do you ask questions you don't want to know the answer to?

[storm jungle]

its more that the origin system is just

uh, bad

[dusk patrol]

As I said

[storm jungle]

your choices even with human characters can sometimes make no sense

[dusk patrol]

Goofiness of the early options

[storm jungle]

no

[opaque coyote]

Mfw two eye colors are locked behind Cadia

[storm jungle]

also mood

[dusk patrol]

Ogryn stuff isn’t tailored well

[storm jungle]

I mean thats lore accurate in comparison

lol

[dusk patrol]

They got a little fluffy

Just a smidge

[opaque coyote]

Tzeentchian curiosity

[dusk patrol]

As a treat

[opaque coyote]

Yeah ik.

Still kinda sucks tho

[dusk patrol]

Also you have the very hard choice of picking what color prison gear to start with

[paper haven]

Cadian eyes are because of warp corruption yeah? Aren't other planets close enough for people to get that too?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its unique to them

[dusk patrol]

From being so close to the eye yeah

[opaque coyote]

"Oh wow, orange jumpsuit or blue jumpsuit"

[storm jungle]

tho "realistically" speaking since its all proximity based other planets near it would get this treatment too

but uhhh

w edont talk about that

its Cadia unique trust me

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbh at least have them have like some type of large brand or marking on them

[dusk patrol]

Probably happens for most planets in that system but we don’t know

[opaque coyote]

Like for the "misplaced faith" one.

There's just a large sign on them that says

[dusk patrol]

Not really relevant anymore anyways

[opaque coyote]

HERETIC

[paper haven]

Cadians need their OCs to have special eyes I get it

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

literally entire reason why its only Cadia

lmao

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a flavor thing

[storm jungle]

a gay flavor thing

but its fine

[dusk patrol]

It also is a cool way to immediately identity where a soldier is from

[opaque coyote]

Cadia X Blackstone Fortress

They kissed

[storm jungle]

more like one slammed their dick so hard into the planet she exploded but yes

[dusk patrol]

Kinda hot ngl

[storm jungle]

Its how Iron Hands have sex

[paper haven]

More like Cadia rejected the Blackstone fortress and it went all yandere.

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands have sex?

[opaque coyote]

Also it is funny that one of the insults that Catachan troopers make is just calling them "Cadian"

[storm jungle]

when its required of them

https://imgur.com/5IrjQAb

[dusk patrol]

He’s obviously gonna blast that harlot with his plasma cannon

[paper haven]

Are we allowed to talk about space marine sex?

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀

[storm jungle]

aughhhh kill me

[dusk patrol]

Located in a convenient location

[opaque coyote]

... that's suspiciously white colored

[dusk patrol]

Largely no they don’t

That’s the end

There we’re done

[paper haven]

Because it definitely does happen

[queen laurel]

lucky for you we can talk about worse things here

[opaque coyote]

Primarchs can bang but they mostly don't care

Except Fulgrim but even he didn't care too much

[dusk patrol]

Lukas is the only case ignoring chaos that it might have

And he’s probably trolling

All we know is marines mostly have no sex drive

Or attraction

[paper haven]

Lukas being one example that springs to mind, yeah

[queen laurel]

aren't they also sterile as a fail safe

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know if they’re sterile or if they can even get it up and GW thank god doesn’t talk about it

[opaque coyote]

The only love they have

Is the feeling of murdering the HERETIC, MUTANT, AND XENOS BABY

[dusk patrol]

Seems likely they are sterile

But we don’t know

[opaque coyote]

In fact, Marines are usually so Xenophobic, that even ones that fall into Chaos still take every chance to murder Xenos

They just really hate Xenos

[dusk patrol]

Ventris briefly laments both ever being able to have a family or settle down, but he doesn’t express attraction or desire like that.

[paper haven]

I've heard it suggested that the Geneseed process straight up replaces how they reproduce but that was a fan thing I think

[dusk patrol]

For primarchs we also don’t know, Fulgrim and Russ were probably the main ones I’d guess did ever if anyone did

Maybe Khan

But we don’t hear about it

[opaque coyote]

Or if they even can

[dusk patrol]

Because once again

[storm jungle]

Realistically speaking and ignoring any "um akhsually" Space Marines are very much virgins mentally, if one actually was enamoured with you enough you'd have needed to spend time with a Marine thats from a Chapter with more noble qualities like an Ultramarine or possibly a Blood Angel higherup etc and it would have to be over a long period of time, unless you're their serf its virtually kinda impossible for anything like that to bloom.

A regular Marine especially would not really manage it, it would need to be an Astartes higher in the foodchain so to speak like an sergeant/leutenant. And even when you were doing the act you'd also need to explain to them the "process" so to speak due to their indoctrination and lack of romantical pangs.

[dusk patrol]

GW isn’t dumb as fuck

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't stop the fandom tho

[paper haven]

I sort of love that heresy era traitor marines are very much still "Humanity first, religion is cringe"

[dusk patrol]

Also because GW doesn’t wanna deal with the potential implications of it for much worse marines

[opaque coyote]

Unless if they're word bearers

[dusk patrol]

They’re not

At all

Talos is an exception

[opaque coyote]

They're mostly selfish tbh

[dusk patrol]

And he’s a dumbfuck

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason after warhammer fantasy black library books barely mention sex/SA in anything

because man the fantasy books are horny

the first Gotrek book has Felix fuck like 3 women off screen

[paper haven]

Night lords, iron warriors, black legion.

[dusk patrol]

It’s just uncomfortable and frankly if they did it should be happening a lot if they’re as bad as all that

[green loom]

Does he bang the vampire

[opaque coyote]

With the exception of one particular author.

But he also used to be a fetish author, and his work was decanonized.

[dusk patrol]

It’s better to keep it cartoony

Just skin people alive

[paper haven]

All explicitly hate the chaos gods and aliens

[storm jungle]

yeah like uh

[queen laurel]

One of the first major villains was a chaos lady that was a victim of The R-word

[storm jungle]

in fantasy theres bare mentions of Norscans sexually assaulting people

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

would they do it? Absolutely

but like

we dont need to read that

they mention it sometimes like ONCE in an entire book

and thats enough

[queen laurel]

yeah we can just say that it's a background tragedy

[storm jungle]

Chaos Marines would also be the same vein

[dusk patrol]

It’s a escapist setting we don’t need to make it uncomfortable

[green loom]

I think a Yrilet style romance could work for the odd marine

[paper haven]

I know that the setting is dark and grim but there's really no need for all that

[queen laurel]

you mean just very close opposite sex friends?

[opaque coyote]

And even then it's only for ECs.

The rest don't care also.

They prefer killing people, infecting people, or shooting people with lightning

[dusk patrol]

That being said I seriously doubt at no point did a Fenrsian woman at least try to seduce Russ, same for Khan on Chogoris. Others idk.

[storm jungle]

Its also how our societal brain is programmed as a society.

We dont mind wanton violence/gore but sexual stuff hits closer to our core. Its why censorship in media takes this subject pretty seriously.

[winter vessel]

the "more than friends but less than lovers" trope?

[green loom]

Just very close platonically

[dusk patrol]

Fulgrim obviously had political marriages

[queen laurel]

yeah that works

[opaque coyote]

Friends with benefits

[paper haven]

The benefits include having a friend wearing power armor

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like there’s no sex in the books either too but they’re not describing gratuitous sex scenes either

[green loom]

I do wonder how a marine would express love proper

[storm jungle]

yeah even in Fantasy the sex doesnt go much beyond like

"And they started having sex and she screamed louder than the seagulls"

[dusk patrol]

Some cringe shit like Argel Tal

Being a dorky simp

[opaque coyote]

Either like a 5th grader or incredibly blint

[paper haven]

At least, they shouldn't describe gratuitous sex scenes

[green loom]

I don't think they'd even know how to start lol

[opaque coyote]

*blunt

No in-between

[storm jungle]

nah even in Fantasy they dont do that

its mostly like uh

very loose mentions of nakedness

[queen laurel]

"Her moaning so loud it rivals the bellow of a Gargant"

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

Also if you think Ian Watson was fetishy I mean
Look at some Blanche art

[dusk patrol]

Tfw there’s no scenes of Gotrek and Felix double teaming some maiden they saved smh

[opaque coyote]

They just walk up to their crush

"please allow me to copulate with you as a ritual to profess our intimate relationship"

That's probably how a SM would confess love

[storm jungle]

Gotrek has no time for that shit

Felix tho eyo

[opaque coyote]

They would also do it in the most

Dead inside tone ever

[dusk patrol]

Gotrek is still too sad about his wife or whatever

[green loom]

I don't think they'd honour anything like that

[opaque coyote]

Just completely flat

[storm jungle]

i do love the earlier books trope of every girl they rescue he has sex with then they just die afterwards to some random NPC enemy attack lol

[queen laurel]

This man has unconscious Rizz to even Rizz up an undead lady

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true. It's probably an asexual relationship

[paper haven]

I am curious about space marine neurology though, because they straight up don't have the same emotions as humans. I recall that the iron hands were incapable of processing grief, for example.

[opaque coyote]

Let me try again

[dusk patrol]

It’s called Gotrek and Felix not Gotrek and Felix and some floozie

[opaque coyote]

ahem

[dusk patrol]

They’re capable of it

[green loom]

I don't think processing is the same as not feeling

[queen laurel]

like Gotrek just accepts this guy to make any manling woman to fall in love with him

[dusk patrol]

It’s just primarch deaths have a psychic ripple effect across their legions

[storm jungle]

It depends from Chapter to Chapter, some are stunted while others are very emotional about it.

[paper haven]

That's why I said processing. They felt it but couldn't deal with it so they sorta went insane

[opaque coyote]

Space Marine walks up to crush

"I have an adequate amount of romantic feeling for you. Please accept my confession."

With the most flat tone ever

[dusk patrol]

When Ferrus died there was literally a visible ripple of the Iron Hands recoiling from the backlash and then going berserk

[paper haven]

In regards to ferris Manus dying, I mean

[green loom]

Nah they wouldn't know what Romantic means

Crap now I'm getting ideas

[opaque coyote]

They searched it up in the dictionary

They probably know the concept of romance at least

Unless if they're like

A black templar

[winter vessel]

I just noticed, the Deredeo Dreadnought looks like if a Contemptor was under a Hydraulic presser and got smooshed slightly.

[opaque coyote]

God forbid you become the wife/husband of a Black Templar and accidentally get a wart

"Agh my allergies are acting up agai-"

[paper haven]

"Human female, I have developed a curious desire to be close to you and express my inner thoughts in ways that would be inappropriate in most situations. Do you feel the same?"

[opaque coyote]

"MUTANT."

BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM

[dusk patrol]

There’s also a lore bit where a Selenar witch notes that the IH geneseed has a dangerous amount of a hormone designed to increase toughness, but it makes it so there’s a greater chance of psychological issues when the person finally does break from too much trauma.

[paper haven]

But like, at max volume because why not

[opaque coyote]

I'm also imagining them giving their crush a flower.

But since they

A) Are overly strong

B) Have no idea what exactly to do since they have 0 conventions.

They bring like an entire plot of land with flowers on it

[dusk patrol]

The legions and different roles and tinkered with differently

[storm jungle]

dorito dreadnaught my beloved

also its mostly because its based on a way goofier older model

[dusk patrol]

Iron Warriors had a higher pain tolerance then even marines normally have

This was so they could put up with Perturabo

[storm jungle]

goofy ahh robot

[winter vessel]

I'd imagine, What if a World eater got interred into a Deredeo? would he just not use the guns out of spite? he'll just run up to the enemy and kick em.

[dusk patrol]

The pose doesn’t help them, I’ve seen some reposed and it works so much better

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

he'd absolutely use the guns

[dusk patrol]

World Eaters use guns

Ffs

[storm jungle]

world eaters are content as long as people die

[opaque coyote]

Probably why they didn't collectively become insane during the Siege of Terra.

Their mental fortitude was built by dealing with Perturabo

[dusk patrol]

World eaters had fucking artillery

[paper haven]

I know the main difference between space Marines and thunder warriors is how their brains work. The human mind simply cannot handle the crazy cocktails of drugs that would be in their systems, so space Marines are rewired and then their memories sort of put back on top so they sort of feel like they're a human.

[opaque coyote]

World Eaters are also extremely educated and artistic.

Problem is that the nails just interrupt that at times

[dusk patrol]

Thunder Warriors had issues of stability more so

But also yes marines starting young helped

[winter vessel]

I'm well aware of that, I'm just acting like a shitter because its late and i'm in the mood. cool your flames, Hades.

[dusk patrol]

Thunder Warriors were from the more insane Terran warriors at the time

[opaque coyote]

Basically

Random bouts of madness

Refusing to follow orders

Getting cancer randomly for literally 0 reason

They were basically just a temporary tool the Emperor made until he could make Astartes

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna kick your ass so hard it’s gonna need two drachmas to get across the River Styx

[paper haven]

World eaters would have been pretty chill but then Angron happened and it just went downhill from there

[opaque coyote]

I think it is mentioned that Thunder Warriors were stronger than SMs but I'm not sure?

[dusk patrol]

Their bodies just broke down fast

[storm jungle]

yeah they were

[dusk patrol]

They were always a first option

[storm jungle]

they were just also unstable

[dusk patrol]

They were stronger and generally better in melee

Marines are better as a team and smarter though

[opaque coyote]

Either way, generally it's hard to control somebody who has voices in their head and is dying of cancer.