40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

just loyalist stuff

[surreal nest]

Warhammer games are famous for not cutting corners

[storm jungle]

awkward

[spring cairn]

if they're gonna cut corners

this is the corner to cut tbh

[storm jungle]

lmao wow

but also ye the MP should deffo be an afterthought

[dusk patrol]

I’ll say this is the best press a new 40k game has gotten for these previews lol

[spring cairn]

because we all know the mp will flop

[storm jungle]

the main selling point is more or less PvE

[storm jungle]

yeah this too

its jank and pretty boring

[surreal nest]

I'm confident in it, the WWZ PvP is defo not at all a focus but it's pretty airtight and they took care of it

[dusk patrol]

It might be ok, it looks like it might

Idk

The PvE is my main interest but the mp might be cool too

[spring cairn]

i want big scale battles not 6v6

[storm jungle]

hopefully the mp is not ok so i can sit in my dark room and laugh at my computer like the sad creature i am

[surreal nest]

but Saber Interactive always releases pretty sluggish unpolished janky ass games so

[dusk patrol]

It’s not 6v6 so your in luck

[storm jungle]

yeah its why im trusting nothing

lol

[spring cairn]

it's like 5v5 or 6v6

[storm jungle]

this game is also extremely ambitious

[spring cairn]

no difference

[dusk patrol]

Its like 4v4

[spring cairn]

oh shit it's even worse

[surreal nest]

wwz might be one of my favorite games but it definitely was not at launch or even within the next 2 years....

[storm jungle]

oof

yeah i got no knowledge on WWZ as a game but im not surprised

[dusk patrol]

Tbh saber also didn’t have these kinda builds going before

[surreal nest]

supppper rough launch

[dusk patrol]

I think there will be some issues

[storm jungle]

if this game launches perfectly ill eat my shorts

[dusk patrol]

But based off the early stuff I think mostly it won’t be too bad

[surreal nest]

also them lifting the embargo a month early is pretty swell

[dusk patrol]

Main issues will be network stuff I think

[storm jungle]

also nid swarms burning peoples' PC

i know they got the tech for it and the engine but lmao

[dusk patrol]

Apparently it’s well optimized

[surreal nest]

i honestly think the performance will be pretty good

[surreal nest]

this is me coping btw

[storm jungle]

if my shitty PC can handle it ill also eat my shorts

[spring cairn]

what manufactured controversy will keep the Gamers™️ up at night this time 🤔

[dusk patrol]

Sabers system for hordes is insane tbh

[storm jungle]

its better to except absolutely nothing and be surprised

[dusk patrol]

The part where my foot goes into your butt

[surreal nest]

ngl rn i expect the world

[dusk patrol]

That will be controversial for sure

[plush mason]

maybe they will get a pve mode like they did in sm1 later on

[surreal nest]

i have a month and a half off of work from appendicitis surgery and i just want the game to be great

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nuh-uh-meow-sniff-incorrect-gif-11442321997337963097

[surreal nest]

i will be devastated and bored

[storm jungle]

3 more weeks

[surreal nest]

craziest official sticker ever

cant wait to get genestealers next hotfix

[storm jungle]

I got them approved because its better to embrace this shit than let it fester lmao

[shadow plover]

great plan in the making

[storm jungle]

omg fatshark now talks too much with us i dont want that!

[spring cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MhyYLG2ZiM

[storm jungle]

this person

[spring cairn]

i have not watched this btw

[storm jungle]

is legit unhinged

[queen laurel]

Dilara finally breaking after hearing gene stealers for the one billionth time

[plush mason]

the news article on the publisher site very much implied the MP is gona be the main focus of the future updates, so basic on launch with more and more features added as time goes on

[storm jungle]

She says the water cartel members in the gloriana cutscene are genestealers and got super unique face models when its literally dreg shooter heads

and says they got forehead crests

when like... huh???

LOL

[spring cairn]

I'll assume it's engagement bait

[surreal nest]

famously hive cities do not have violence in them without the presence of genestealers

[storm jungle]

No shes absolutely serious

girl has been doing this for 2 years

i respect the hustle but god damn

[surreal nest]

this is where darktide players get their lore from and this is why i hate them?

[storm jungle]

KEK

[shadow plover]

I think 4DChan or whatever it was called is the worst source for shit lore

[spring cairn]

1d4chan ?

[shadow plover]

yeah that's the one

[plush mason]

fuck i hate that name

[spring cairn]

iirc it's p alright if you don't mind gettting flashed porn

[queen laurel]

well at least now i'm trying my best to get to AOS, i've been not paying attention to warhammer more and more i still like it but

But my God finding book series that are beginner friendly is annoying

[plush mason]

like. 4chan for nerds should not be a site, nor should 4chan or 8chan for that matter

[shadow plover]

it's always referred as the 'better' one when it comes to Grimdank and 1d4chan but it is only barely slightly better

[surreal nest]

had to tell my coworker that orks dont actually go invisible and it mentally prepared me to have that same conversation with my future kids about santa

[dusk patrol]

Actually Hadron is a genestealer

[queen laurel]

of course her fans her a bit cuckoo

[storm jungle]

worst part is this joke has been slowly adapted by GW tbh

[spring cairn]

i remember when i was just getting into fantasy like almost 10 years ago christ, i looked up skaven lore and somehow got to the 1d4chan page rip

[plush mason]

you, servitor room, now

[surreal nest]

I don't even blame them

[queen laurel]

I hate to say it but yeah, orks beginning to bend reality is becoming more and more of a thing

[surreal nest]

meme lore is like 90% of warhammer

[queen laurel]

i am an ork fan and i despise that shit

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[queen laurel]

that's funny the first time but after the 100th time

i want to commit murder so great that the blood god will notice

[storm jungle]

maybe its for the best

[queen laurel]

yeah at least i won't have to correct them that orks can't bend reality for the one billionth time

[surreal nest]

i don't remember what book but I remember some ork weirdboyz forcing an imperial guard ship out of their gellerfield and then they promptly got slaughtered by daemons

that is so much more entertaining than the made up shit

[dusk patrol]

Morrow is obviously a genestealer

See?

Bald

[queen laurel]

damn like you

[surreal nest]

called it

[dusk patrol]

It’s called a fade smh

Cause my hairline is fading

[rocky gale]

Damn beat me too it

[queen laurel]

To be fair do you blame me for thinking you're bald from far away it looks like you're just a black and white bald space marine

[spring cairn]

mf lost his teeth and now his hairline

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I had to make the joke cause one of you dorks would have said it

[shadow plover]

Widow's peak gang

[dusk patrol]

And thought you were funny

[shadow plover]

but mine's not nearly as far

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-go-on-gif-10367251055574876629

Mfw

[surreal nest]

the day i lose my hairline the earth will be consumed

[spring cairn]

just go bald

[dusk patrol]

I am blessed with very good hair genes irl

[spring cairn]

unless you have that dignified grey hair look when you get the recessing hairline, go bald

[dusk patrol]

My dad is almost 70 without any noticeable loss and my moms side is the same

[surreal nest]

i actually think we need some space marines with mullets

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/K5ZkK4cjcY8?si=24D0w2t0AA0N9m82

[dusk patrol]

No

No I don’t think we do

[surreal nest]

make it chapter specific

[dusk patrol]

No

[spring cairn]

space wolves

[surreal nest]

the ultramarines get mullets

[shadow plover]

Space Rednecks

[spring cairn]

space wolves

[surreal nest]

space wolves are far too stinky and ugly and weird to have a mullet

[shadow plover]

it's a different flavour

[spring cairn]

exactly

[surreal nest]

oh man hes right

[spring cairn]

that's why they deserve mullets

[rocky gale]

Dads side my granda still has a full head of luscious hair, meanwhile mums side my uncle was bald by 21

[surreal nest]

saying somebody deserves a mullet is actually so good it hurts me

im frowning rn

[fallen plaza]

There is, if you look at abbadons model you’ll see some skulls decorated in his model, those skulls are the fools who have mullets and dared to have one in front of abbadon

[shadow plover]

https://fixupx.com/warhammer/status/1822951285647106368?t=dJJr6Irh4DR7gKt0MdTK1A&s=19

Well this all but confirms the new Vespid models

[fallen plaza]

That is fucking cool

[plush mason]

yeah that was far from a subtle teaser lol

[dusk patrol]

You guys are dumb

Obviously Tau are coming to Darktide

[shadow plover]

Ah.. of course!

[dusk patrol]

They found a portal to Segementum Solar

[ruby turtle]

[storm jungle]

Fucking badass

really curious as to how they'll do scions tho ngl

im guessing just more specialists with unique gimmicks since its KT

[shadow plover]

Ye, there was a short teaser for them too

[dusk patrol]

Hippity hoppity the skies are my property

[celest dome]

Oh right we might see more Scions weaponries and tools

[storm jungle]

Yeah the KT gimmick is every unit gets some weirdly specific thing to do

[surreal nest]

Kinda wish they were elsyians but I'd love to see a scion refresh anyhow

[storm jungle]

Elysians would have deffo been better imo

Scion models still look pretty alright

ı guess one is just more obviously popular lol

[dusk patrol]

Elysians if they do them will probably not just be a Killteam tbf

[surreal nest]

i know GW is going to make the vespids so badass at least

[dusk patrol]

I expect we’ll see Catachan updated first but Elysians or Steel Legion I expect might get something

We’ll see though

Drop Sentinels would be fun for Elysians too

[surreal nest]

that would be such an awesome model

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/larper-gigachad-titanfall2-viper-nowhere-to-cope-nowhere-to-seeth-gif-23018171

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah now this makes me think, what's the closest thing to a titan from titanfall in warhammer

You know onboard AI system that has a personality and you could get on and has autopilot

[dusk patrol]

Knights

Duh smh

[shadow plover]

For imperium yeah, Tau battlesuits are probably better contenders over all

[dusk patrol]

Not really for how Titans work

Battle suits are more mobile and flight based

Titans operate basically the same way knights do with a little bit of difference

[queen laurel]

wouldn't a tau suit fit the same class as a Northstar ?

[dusk patrol]

Their pilots even similarly are elite soldiers, Knight Pilots are basically super soldiers in combat due to the imparted memories of the Throne Mechanicum

And the enhancements they can get

[dusk patrol]

North Star is definitely the closest

The biggest Tau battle suits are somewhat similar too

Some at least

Hmm so the rumors were true

[rocky gale]

Was just about to post them

[dusk patrol]

Should have kept the wings

I don’t love the paint jobs also but that’s besides the point

Sanguinor looks great though

[fallen plaza]

Mukaali killteam when GW

[rocky gale]

NGL the Sanguinary Guard are shit

[rocky gale]

Like straight up downgrade from the old models

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they’re shit but they could be better

[fallen plaza]

I kinda wished the other units had the same shin armor as the sanguinor but overall its a good set

[hallow plover]

This thickness...

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the shins

No wings

New helmets aren’t as good imo

[rocky gale]

The tiny wings just look goofy

Like if you're not going to do the big wings, don't give them wings at all

The tiny wings are worse than not having wings

[dusk patrol]

Idk why they’d take the wings

It’s so iconic

It’s like half their deal

You could do the wings and the flaps if you have to, although I don’t care for them either much but

Oh well

Sanguinor is pretty great, wish they had wings

Helmet sculpts could be better

Otherwise I like them.

[rocky gale]

Hey, upside of them looking bad is I'm no longer tempted to buy them, so I save money

[dusk patrol]

Head sculpt is an easy fix at least

[fallen plaza]

this feels like it was designed by someone who hated the look of them, because this reminds me of the dawnbringer cohort situation lol

[dusk patrol]

Wings, much less so

Yeah I don’t get it

They’ve done such a good job with primaris updates mostly

Just keep the original look that worked with a slight new version

A few MX changes

Coteaz and these are weird for the changes

[fallen plaza]

Weird misses on the GW team

[hallow plover]

What's about the dawnbringer?

[fallen plaza]

The dawnbringer cohorts were made because the designer didnt like the sanguinary guard, and so made a new unit type instead

[rocky gale]

Plus it looks like the new Sanguinary guard have no glaives or axes

[hallow plover]

OH them. I thought you were speaking about the dawnbringer thing for AoS 😂. Man they really keep reusing names

[fallen plaza]

This is not the first time that happened, that also probably why the contekars were made kek

[dusk patrol]

I think it was that and they didn’t want to make a new version of a 40k model

[hallow plover]

But yea, those new sculpts are... off

[dusk patrol]

Also no toes

Feet fetish people in shambles rn

[surreal nest]

wingless primaris sang guard is evidence that primaris are demons and hate the emperor we should kill them with bricks

[storm jungle]

not wrong...

[rocky gale]

Damn they actually kinda do seem like a blending of the Sanguinary Guard and the Dawnbringer Cohort

No wings and swords and spears instead of Glaives and Axes

[dusk patrol]

GW is obviously just racist against winged people

[storm jungle]

Pretty gay and not in a good way

decapitate these modellers at once

feed them thirstsand

or whatever that evil sand on Baal was

[dusk patrol]

Probably Gary

He probably did the Coteaz model too

[storm jungle]

Thats too much

LOL

Coteaz is legit one of the worst warhammer upgrades/models ive seen in 2 decades

[fallen plaza]

The old plastic daemon prince is pretty close

[storm jungle]

to be fair with that its a product of its time

Coteaz has NO excuse

[rocky gale]

"Hey should the flying Blood Angels have wings?"

"Why would they have wings?"

"I dunno, just a feeling"

[storm jungle]

yeah its just such a weird thing to exclude

its literally their entire fucking thing lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s a very strange choice when every other updates has basically kept the spirit of the old models

[storm jungle]

Its like making guard minis but they dont have lasguns

[rocky gale]

They wear the death mask of Sanguinius, wear armour moulded off the body of Sanguinius and wear wings in honour of Sanguinius

[storm jungle]

we kinda uh

forgot sanguinius had wings

what did GW mean by this...

[dusk patrol]

Mfw

[rocky gale]

Sanguinius's wings were propaganda

[dusk patrol]

On the bright side

[rocky gale]

Bro just walked everywhere

[dusk patrol]

Sanguinor looks dope

[surreal nest]

it's so crazy to see the difference between AoS and 40k model releases

[rocky gale]

Yea Sanguinor is good, but like I was never going to buy him anyway

[dusk patrol]

Literally just updated his shiny golden ass

[rose thorn]

Omg new custodies…

[storm jungle]

They have publicly said in the past AoS has their more experienced modellers onboard

[surreal nest]

age of sigmar team goes hard and i feel honor their old sculpts

[rose thorn]

||/j||

[dusk patrol]

Mag how did you manage to make the worst joke ever

[surreal nest]

Definitely shows

[rocky gale]

The Sang Guard though I was planning on buying, not anymore fam

[dusk patrol]

When we were already talking about it

[surreal nest]

The new Skaven miniatures are probably some of the most detailed and best mass produced minis i've owned

[storm jungle]

Its fucking insane tbh

idk how they do it

[surreal nest]

with love

[storm jungle]

Ushoran is still my favorite because hes a elden ring boss lol

[rose thorn]

Because its blood angels

[dusk patrol]

With plastic and moulds

Dummy

[surreal nest]

yeah its actually a ridiculous model

sons of velmorn gotta be the cool thing ever too

I WISH THEY EXISTED STILL

[rose thorn]

I can tell, most of the sculpts fill amazing to put together

[storm jungle]

Also they got lil dudes on em

someone post that fat ass hamster on that vermin daemon model

[fallen plaza]

Meanwhile 40k: pyreblasters are the best i can do

[storm jungle]

LOL

[surreal nest]

in a perfect world i have a skaven army a saurus army and a soulblight gravelord army

[storm jungle]

if only Sanguinary guard had pigeon daemons with guns on them or something

[rose thorn]

‘I will offer you black stone fortress models’

[queen laurel]

Bro is just that guy

[fallen plaza]

Oh, and this captain titus model too

[storm jungle]

KEK

I mean its an okay model

its just... well its Titus i guess

not even a cool pose

lazy cunts

[dusk patrol]

They’ve knocked it out of the park plenty of times recently tbh, just a couple meh ones recently

[storm jungle]

eh so and so

[queen laurel]

ya mean this

[storm jungle]

40k models are not comparable to most AOS stuff

[rose thorn]

I saw Titus with his helmet on and I literally couldn’t tell what model it was

[dusk patrol]

Debatable

[storm jungle]

I say this as a person that doesnt like AOS much

its not a debate

[rose thorn]

Besides nids I agree

[dusk patrol]

It is

[queen laurel]

yeh it can be rough to identify him with how basic he is if he wears a helmet

[storm jungle]

nah

[storm jungle]

🤝

[surreal nest]

its crazy to me that GW hasn't given the U5 a model kit yet

[dusk patrol]

People aren’t looking for the same things in both

[fallen plaza]

Probably my favorite aos model of all time is the harbinger of decay

[dusk patrol]

And I do love AoS stuff

[fallen plaza]

It looks straight out of an old codex

[storm jungle]

you will get darktide tabletop with generic minis instead

[rose thorn]

I think new nids hold way too much flavor and new ideas it holds up

[storm jungle]

aughhh

[dusk patrol]

But I also don’t want AoS stuff in 40k largely because it’s that setting and it works for that

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/double-backflip-trampoline-mahandzel-gif-1618785483042981671

[fallen plaza]

Also, in general chaos is cooler in aos and fantasy

[dusk patrol]

40k stuff is largely simpler generally

[storm jungle]

nothing can beat basic dark armored evil guys wanting to kill shit

Slaves to Darkness LETS GOOOOO

[surreal nest]

yesss korne warriors look SICK IN AOS

[surreal nest]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[storm jungle]

RAAARGHHH

[queen laurel]

If we're going by favorites definitely Gordrakk fist of gork for me

[dusk patrol]

I’m shocked

[storm jungle]

AoS modellers make every miniature they produce some kind of dark souls boss

so not surprising

lol

[queen laurel]

you don't have to act like an imperial fist

just say you're not surprised and we're good

[fallen plaza]

I liked him without the silly mushroom on top

[storm jungle]

kill him bulgur

[dusk patrol]

I’m flabbergasted

[surreal nest]

I'm assuming AOS is more detailed because 40k is so established and competitive that regardless of the model quality people will need that model for tournaments or some shit right?

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much just modelling department talent imo

[dusk patrol]

It’s got more of the big models for one

[storm jungle]

40k has too many dudes who is just a guy standing on a rock

[fallen plaza]

The model itself is good, but the steed literally outshines the rider lmaoo

[dusk patrol]

It was actually an issue for awhile where they were making too many big set piece models

[storm jungle]

and like

[storm jungle]

a lot less flavor

its why im glad KT exists

otherwise you'd assume 40K is just ceramite-tide

lol

[fallen plaza]

One thing i failed to mentioned probably my least favorite aos model of all time

Archaeon

[storm jungle]

lmaooo noooo

[dusk patrol]

Maybe if you, never paid any attention to any releases ever

[fallen plaza]

It is so bad

[storm jungle]

Archaon deffo could have used a massive evil dragon tbh

[surreal nest]

i really want to play warhammer total war 2 rn and im not winning the innter battle

[storm jungle]

i appreciate the idea behind it but like yeah

[fallen plaza]

I fucking despise that model

[dusk patrol]

Old Stormcast have definitely not aged the best but the newer ones are looking good

[storm jungle]

its hard to miss with Chaos Warriors but Order

[queen laurel]

like i'm supposed to believe that this giant monster he is riding is the warhorse he had

it looks cool but like

[storm jungle]

this is like the forgeworld manta model

you can uh

deffo kill someone with it lol

[queen laurel]

really

Dorghar?

[dusk patrol]

It’s big

[fallen plaza]

I never liked stormcast to begin with so i would prefer they used the old one still for all i care

[dusk patrol]

Actually annoying to deal with on a table

And base

[storm jungle]

its like 30k fulgrim

[fallen plaza]

And this is coming from a guy who likes space marines

[storm jungle]

all those parts are gonna break

[dusk patrol]

Giant wings are always a bitch

[storm jungle]

these mfers never test minis by taking them around and carrying them through stuff

or slamming them into walls

yeet

[fallen plaza]

Another bad one i dont like

[dusk patrol]

40k Fulgrim model is gonna have the exact same issue

When he comes out

[fallen plaza]

The plastic tombking rider from old world

[storm jungle]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

But maybe they’ll give an a wings closed up option

[storm jungle]

Old world

basically playdough

[fallen plaza]

Im talking the new plastic one

The new model they made for it

[dusk patrol]

With kitty cat

[surreal nest]

whoever designed the new cadians just need to get sent to the depths of hell

[storm jungle]

oh right i forgot about that one

[surreal nest]

the arms just fall off every month

[storm jungle]

I hate them so much

[surreal nest]

also fuck the amount of details like ????????????? I NEED 90 OF THESE BRO

[storm jungle]

I really do dislike how much they strayed from the old basic cadian look

[storm jungle]

im not against more detail but like eh

[surreal nest]

they're too much like US doughboys now

[storm jungle]

LOL

[shadow plover]

I prefer the new look by a lot tbh

[storm jungle]

you're not gonna have a look by the time im done with you

[fallen plaza]

If we are talking best chaos 40k models

[dusk patrol]

Not enough detail

Too much detail

[surreal nest]

If i would change anything it's the inability for their limbs to stay connected

[queen laurel]

mechanicus mains be practising renaissance art with Cawl

[fallen plaza]

The old dark apostle

[dusk patrol]

Maybe you guys should detail some bitches

[fallen plaza]

Mwah

[fallen plaza]

This, i fucking hate this model too

[dusk patrol]

Bah

[surreal nest]

sometimes I open up my display cabinet and just see arms and it's like a fucking xenomorph had a run through the town

[storm jungle]

Cawl is great but every single person i know that has the model says painting it is like torture apparently lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s perfect

[shadow plover]

The model looks fucking great but it's a pain to paint

[dusk patrol]

Oh it is

It fucking sucks and it breaks so easily

But it is awesome

[storm jungle]

just like Cawl himself

also shut up bionicphile

your opinion is biased

[surreal nest]

i heard Cawl invented Sub Assemblies

[fallen plaza]

To spin this on a more positive note

[dusk patrol]

Reee

[queen laurel]

Eternal reward when I told him to have a positive opinion on a non human faction

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[fallen plaza]

Probably my favorite chaos model in 40k that isnt from 30k

[storm jungle]

hes not that hateful

[storm jungle]

better be the keeper of secrets

[fallen plaza]

Is the dark apostle

[storm jungle]

DAMN IT

[fallen plaza]

The old one

[storm jungle]

also bart you said that already

GET OUT OF MY CLASS

[dusk patrol]

Mfer when did I say that’s a bad thing

[queen laurel]

i'm kidding i'm kidding

[shadow plover]

Imagine not saying Knight Abominant

[queen laurel]

compared to a lot of imperial fans i've met

you're on a good note

[surreal nest]

i unironically love the scale and general look of the chaos termies they are probably my favorite chaos model

[dusk patrol]

It’s just peoples opinions tend to come with: I like this thing AND THIS THING SUCKS

[rose thorn]

I have him he’s way bigger than I thought lol

[storm jungle]

Damn almost like not everything likes or dislikes something

[fallen plaza]

Its okay, i think people have kitbashed crazier though

[surreal nest]

they're so cute

[dusk patrol]

There’s a difference between not liking something and shitting on it

[storm jungle]

well yeah

some deserve it lol

[dusk patrol]

Or

[queen laurel]

HE I'Z DA BIGGEST IRON JAW SO HE BETTA BE BIG AND TOUGH

[fallen plaza]

Chaos would be infinitely cooler if they didnt have this gay brass trim

[dusk patrol]

You could just not

[storm jungle]

I mean

why do that when its an awful model

[rose thorn]

Pretty sure he is on a 100mm base but i am an American

[shadow plover]

People need to tune down their hate boners, definitely

[surreal nest]

i have painted exactly one chaos marine and because of the trim I just do not want to

[storm jungle]

but

my coteaz...

[queen laurel]

have you painted him yet?

[rose thorn]

I haven’t even built him

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think we were talking about any awful models

[queen laurel]

Probably gonna take a while because you are going to need a lot of paint with his size

[dusk patrol]

Coteaz being an exception but whatever

[rose thorn]

Luckily he’s a dragon so they take dry brushing very well

[storm jungle]

smh hypocrite

[fallen plaza]

I think plastic mortarion is also a good candidate for a model i dont like

[queen laurel]

them dragon correctors are fuming right now

[rose thorn]

I love when they sell good old world models and not the metal trash over half the model line is

[dusk patrol]

That’s how it goes sadly

[rose thorn]

THEY ALREADY HAVE OGOR MODELS TWICE AS MANY FOR HALF THE. PRIVE

[dusk patrol]

Got some RuneScape skeletons for the old models they’re so old by now

[rose thorn]

WHY DOES IR HAVE TO BE 100 DOLLARS FOR 5

OLD ASS MODELS

[fallen plaza]

Out of all the models they decide to renew

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-season-gif-18975725

[queen laurel]

I love black orcs but if you're going to sell models that are probably more ancient than Dilara you may as well throw them in the trash

[fallen plaza]

They didnt renew settra

[storm jungle]

they will later

[fallen plaza]

Or any major character

[rose thorn]

ITS BAD FOR NO REASON

[dusk patrol]

Don’t need to be rude

They’re not that old

[surreal nest]

I love those models!!!

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

the armor deffo hides their age

just like old women with makeup

[rose thorn]

Literally please all old world players use aos models

[storm jungle]

TRUE.

LOL

[rose thorn]

These were ard boys for a while tbh

[dusk patrol]

I do love the Black Orc models

[fallen plaza]

These arent even that bad

[storm jungle]

They are okay

could be better

[dusk patrol]

Although they’re not black which feels kinda problematic ngl

[storm jungle]

me when american

[fallen plaza]

We need BLACK orks

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

it's the fact that they have this model line that annoys me

[surreal nest]

the AoS dwarfs are nothing compared to fantasy dwarfs

[queen laurel]

like you can just paint these things full black

And you're set

[storm jungle]

Fantasy dwarfs are alright before kharadron overlords roll in and i forget the normal dawi exist

whoops wrong reply

[fallen plaza]

Aos dwarfs arent even dwarfs

[storm jungle]

I mean they are

[surreal nest]

kharadron are so lame

[queen laurel]

Screenshooted

[dusk patrol]

It annoyed me when I was a kid too tbf, I always thought the black orcs should just be totally black

[fallen plaza]

They are some gay copyrighted name

[rose thorn]

The only exception besides French and the mummy 1999 would be empire, since their entire vibe is much much more German then aos now

[storm jungle]

they literally came from a dwarven god

[surreal nest]

this is heat

[storm jungle]

the umgak doors have no chance

[fallen plaza]

“Duardin”

[queen laurel]

to be fair i think warhammer fantasy is not dumb enough to make a slave species fully black skin

[fallen plaza]

Yeah okay.

[rose thorn]

I love the new dispossessed- duardin- dwarves. They are all great for cities

[queen laurel]

because black orcs origin are

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-really-it-is-what-it-is-gif-22328595

[queen laurel]

well

[storm jungle]

why did GW name the orcs who escaped from slavery black....

[fallen plaza]

Wheres the gobbo hiding!

[queen laurel]

something

[surreal nest]

they can all suck the gas out of my tank

[queen laurel]

do not think about it!

[storm jungle]

AYO WHAT-

[dusk patrol]

Alexa, show me pictures of Warhammer fantasy pygmies

[fallen plaza]

No fun if you dont sing along dawi!

[storm jungle]

god

idk who everthought

[dusk patrol]

Perfection

[storm jungle]

this was a good idea

[rose thorn]

Gonna use this guy as a shaman

[dusk patrol]

I mean

[storm jungle]

she has the crab claw

[dusk patrol]

Isn’t that what he is

[fallen plaza]

We need this in total warhammer NOW

[rose thorn]

We have a conversation every month about this and it’s never less shocking

[queen laurel]

yep

we will never let GW live that down

[dusk patrol]

Somehow it’s even more offensive if you paint them white

[fallen plaza]

Nah, there hobbits now!

[dusk patrol]

Truly impressive

[queen laurel]

probably the guy who also made this

[surreal nest]

ah yes the british company

[fallen plaza]

This is brilliant the fuck you on about

[dusk patrol]

Ah yes

[rose thorn]

Also if thsi isn’t over priced it would be a great way to get cities of sigmar ironweld cannons

[dusk patrol]

The SStormboyz

[rose thorn]

Get a big old base and some barricades

[queen laurel]

You know damn well they are called Stormboyz for a different reason

[fallen plaza]

You could probably make these with a few toy pipes

[rose thorn]

Fun fact they showed the picture with the Nazi symbol in bolt and hammer but removed the Nazi symbol

[dusk patrol]

They’re from an interesting Klan

They have strong opinions on “da Jooze”

[rose thorn]

Let me get-

[queen laurel]

jesus

[dusk patrol]

Which isn’t OJ Simpson

[rose thorn]

Literlaly you could have done anything eight the center and it would have been fine lmao

WHAT IS RHIS

[queen laurel]

HOLY SHIT

[dusk patrol]

I mean it does look good

I won’t lie

[storm jungle]

you should google Orktimus Prime

even better

[dusk patrol]

Wolfenstein Orks

[storm jungle]

lmao

[fallen plaza]

Is this a screenshot you did? Because if so then what are you doing in sigmarxism

[surreal nest]

how do you make an awesome kitbashed model and then do this

[fallen plaza]

Nice pixel art

[surreal nest]

or not kitbashed

idk

[rose thorn]

I googled the thing I was looking for and thsi came up

[surreal nest]

it looks cool but why

[fallen plaza]

Okay good

[storm jungle]

its like those dumb fans who get an aquila tattoo

then ask why people think they are nazis

lol

[rose thorn]

That’s really funny tbh

[fallen plaza]

I found the greatest 40k model of all time

[storm jungle]

no

[queen laurel]

very much so

[storm jungle]

[surreal nest]

dude im looking at the OG post for that gorkanaut thing and somebody said "okay so would you be against a rebel grot having a communist star"

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[fallen plaza]

Womp womp, sorry that you cant see greatness

[storm jungle]

get better material

[rose thorn]

As I was saying

Thsi one

[fallen plaza]

Says the eternal bit stealer

[storm jungle]

yeah that one lmao

[queen laurel]

well the red gobbo for you

[storm jungle]

in the animation they removed the bicep swastika which is funny

[queen laurel]

yes that is an actual model

[storm jungle]

it did get updated

also i guess communist symbolism is less bad than nazi ones

what did GW mean by this

[fallen plaza]

Uh oh

[queen laurel]

yeah he had two christmas themes

[surreal nest]

Just a guy being a dude

A goblin being a gobbo

[fallen plaza]

The sex appeal of this fellow

[dusk patrol]

I mean tbf I think there’s a big gap between using the German cross and the swastika for stuff, although I also think using any irl symbols for 40k stuff is weird

But aesthetics I don’t really care

Depends on where their heart is but generally you can tell fast with those people

[fallen plaza]

Black templars can get away with it because they are cool

[surreal nest]

yeah i get that but communism has nothing to do with an iron cross at the end of the day

[dusk patrol]

Iron cross is its own thing

[dusk patrol]

He’s making a comparison about pearl clutching about it either way

[surreal nest]

right but its not normal

hes still getting a stone thrown at him by an ogryn

[dusk patrol]

Do you know how comparisons work?

[surreal nest]

curious, you wouldn't wear a swatiska but you'd wear a ushanka batman!

your morals are skewed

something of the sort

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t wear a hammer and sickle or swastika

Since people got genocided on either side of my family by both

[rose thorn]

Mine barely dodged it

[dusk patrol]

I also don’t care if people wanna have WWII German aesthetics or Red Army aesthetics for their dudes if it’s just that

It just depends

Some people are doing it more innocently than others and anytime I’ve encountered it irl it’s always really obvious

Like with the Red Gobbo I’m not gonna judge anyone for liking that whole deal and building their army around his aesthetic

Lots of Ork stuff heavily takes after WWI and WWII German aesthetics on the flip side

Now if you’re someone who has a problem with only one of those and clutches your pearls at the other then uh

Well it’s a very privileged position to be able to have

That being said I personally would avoid doing that for either

[queen laurel]

the problem is there are people who look at the aesthetics just straight up model them to it and if it's a bad one they won't acknowledge it, I get that there are people out there who know and are saying that they just like the design but the fact that there are people who not only take the inspirations but take the bad qualities with it too and magnify it

[dusk patrol]

I agreed

I’ve just met enough who are kinda naive or done mean anything by it

So I try not to judge immediately

Now if it’s a swastika that’s generally you’re either stupid or malicious I won’t pretend otherwise

[queen laurel]

yeah If it's just a straight up symbol that is associated with a lot of bad stuff I am gonna immediately go out of my way to not respect you as a human being

[dusk patrol]

But I know a lot of these guys paint stuff for like bolt action

And a lot of times just kinda re do their stuff for 40k or gravitate towards that

Lots of bolt action to guard guys

Or Orks weirdly

[queen laurel]

yeah with their modern interpretation you don't really see the old World War 2 military stuff besides the blood axe wearing military gear from the imperium but but even then it can basically just be laughed at as bad military cosplay

but the older you go back the more you see the pattern

[green loom]

Why is "they look like stormcast" a criticism for Sagnuinary guard

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s more the other way around anyways

Smh

[green loom]

Like

It's the same design cue, obv they'll look similar lol

[dusk patrol]

My biggest issue is no wings

Helmet could be better

Helmet is easy to fix though

[green loom]

The weapons are real nice

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

I like basically everything else

Wish the infernus pistol was wrist mounted

[green loom]

But they look like stormcast thus bad apparently

[dusk patrol]

Idk

They do I guess and maybe people don’t like that

Which is their opinion but they’ve always been similar

Celestant Prime definitely harkened to the Sanguinor in a lot of ways

[green loom]

Yeah that's what I don't get

It's the same rough idea

So obvs they share a vague aesthetic

But specifically with the new models that's now a problem

[queen laurel]

Yeah isn't there entire stick being angelic like golden figures of a elite armored guard

so of course there's gonna be bound similarities

[storm jungle]

I thought warhammer invented pig pauldrons and people in power armor

[queen laurel]

that's funny now die

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Wrong, they were second

[crystal forum]

the 80's invented big pauldrons

nobody knows why

probably cocaine related

[dusk patrol]

In other news I forgot how much Nelly Furtado and Timbaland slapped and they were playing in my gym last night

So that was dope

[storm jungle]

chat what language is this

[crystal forum]

midwestern

[queen laurel]

Jayian

[crystal forum]

a cursed language

[fallen plaza]

Dill pickles

https://tenor.com/view/woohoo-pickle-dance-gif-5365230

Warden face reveal

[celest dome]

Skin wolves, love them
Still think they should have been a Chaos Monster in VT2

[storm jungle]

they dont exactly add up too much unless they'd have done a plagued version of them but not too far off

[celest dome]

More mobile and jumpy, could also have them transform out of nowhere

[fallen plaza]

Maybe make them the vt2 equivalent of hounds, a shittier version of the gutter runner that can be spammed

I can see difficulty mods having a field day with that idea

An all hound horde

[celest dome]

They are monster infantry, not hound sized

[fallen plaza]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

Bop

[storm jungle]

Beep

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/release-the-hounds-the-simpsons-gif-8991251

[fallen plaza]

I recently tried playing onslaught on vt2 today solo, i lost but man does it hit the spot in terms of difficulty

[celest dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1z3Rnvgxw

[fallen plaza]

Darktide just needs more horde spam

Then it will be perfect

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628

[rose thorn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/12/old-world-almanack-warriors-of-chaos-assemble-for-the-dark-gods/

hw

gw

how are you selling this garbage

[shadow plover]

what do you meaaaan

[queen laurel]

not how why

why are they selling this stuff

is the right answer

[shadow plover]

1. most of these models are dope as balls
2. whole point of the old world is to live off the high of old world nostalgia

[rose thorn]

literally aos has most of these models or updated them its insane

[shadow plover]

yes and?

[rose thorn]

or they are from the rotting corpse of ebasts and chaos

HOWWWWWWWWWW

[celest dome]

Nostalgia

[rose thorn]

WHYYy

[rose thorn]

[queen laurel]

The hell are these

Ogres?

[rose thorn]

let me send their aos model

[queen laurel]

human orcs

[celest dome]

Chaos ogre

And Ogre Mutant

[queen laurel]

bro

what the hell

[rose thorn]

here is what replaced them

[celest dome]

(with 2 heads)

[queen laurel]

Chaos minotaurs now that looks nice

[rose thorn]

i do like these bth

i might get these for soulblight

might

[queen laurel]

yeah these look nice

[rose thorn]

also demon princes... and a spawn

[storm jungle]

its just Nostalgia

like...

[shadow plover]

that spawn is a classic

[storm jungle]

i dont hate on Fantasy much

but Old World fans are so desperate

its pretty half the reason for liking these minis

most of them are terrible

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they're so desperate they might actually manifest the chaos God of desperation

[shell ivy]

i really think if you want a themed demon prince for 40k, should just get one of the AoS monogod greater demons

[rose thorn]

they deserve better than this 😭

[storm jungle]

Im a huge WHF fan so i kinda get it but like its pathetic after awhile

[storm jungle]

Not wrong tbh

tho the current daemon prince model is great imo

[shell ivy]

yeah it really is, love how they give different head options too

[rose thorn]

(Btw, if you want a good chaos lord model, sorcerer, and champion model for the price of the current chaos lord. Get the slaves to darkness underworlds box.)

idk waht ill use the 4th guy for maybe another chaos champion

[shadow plover]

the slambo reference is the best one out of this bunch

[rose thorn]

yee

sorry i mean hero of chaos

[shadow plover]

but I don't really vibe with the chaos warriors released a few years ago, but the kits they released last year are fucking good

the Chaos Chosen kit is perfection

[rose thorn]

yea the old old models were way too unifrom tbh, the new ones feel great

i love the legionnaries tbh

and dark oath

[rose thorn]

if you run this as 2 heroes and a lord and sorcerer, you have over 500 points of models in 2 regiments.

for thr same price as 1 hero

i love underworlds

[crisp heath]

Is sanctic pysker an actual thing in 40k lore or is it made up by the rogue trader game?

[surreal nest]

whole heartedly the dwarfen ones are so good

[rose thorn]

its prettyimportant to the lore

[rose thorn]

agreed, except the really old ones msot of them are good (thats alot of them are in aos)

[surreal nest]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/21/adepticon-preview-the-dwarfen-mountain-holds/

all these models r amazing imo

[crisp heath]

Are they related to the grey knight powers?

[rose thorn]

all greyknights are psykers

all it means really is they are poeple the imperium allowed ot be psykers

[fallen plaza]

Holy shit its bardin!

[surreal nest]

GIve him 15 dollars i love you bardin

[rose thorn]

they look ike they were in teh microwave...

oh thats jsut the paintjob i think

[rose thorn]

HYGFSAHI GFVYUHI

AHAHAH

[surreal nest]

i need a full image of this or i tweak out

[fallen plaza]

These are old edgar skomorowski sculpts

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/double-backflip-trampoline-mahandzel-gif-1618785483042981671

[rose thorn]

i have no clue waht that means

[fallen plaza]

Same guy that did perturabo and lorgar sculpts

[rose thorn]

ohhh

[fallen plaza]

And the entire solar auxilia range

[rose thorn]

new or old?

[fallen plaza]

Old

[rose thorn]

ah

[fallen plaza]

This was his first work in forge world i think

Or was it the chaos dwarves

[rose thorn]

'i sure do hope my favorite part of cities, dark elves, gets an udpate in old world!'

[surreal nest]

Is there a solid way to find out the name of the Sculptors for our favorite kits? I never even thought about looking

[rose thorn]

i have no clue, i know some are credited in some battletombs

if that helps

[shadow plover]

https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314916-forgeworld-who-sculpted-what-collection/
this is a small collection of FW sculptors and their work

I think lexicanum had a list somewhere too

[fallen plaza]

I had a search all over from an old blogsite to find credits for them, im glad theres a resource for this, thank you

Its a shame a lot of them dont have a social media presence

Besides edgar

[shadow plover]

I follow a couple on insta but can't recall their names

[fallen plaza]

Darren parrwood, one of the sculptors has an instagram but its just pictues of trees lmao

https://www.instagram.com/darenparrwood/

[shadow plover]

I also follow a few current sculptors like Latham

[fallen plaza]

Edgar actually sold one of solar aux files as an stl

But for some reason made it time limited for a month before it went poof

[rocky gale]

Spot the difference

[outer wave]

God the coolness between the two franchises is stark

[storm jungle]

im sure the blood angels fans will get to scouring these in no time

[rocky gale]

And they confirmed in the Article that the Sanguinary guard are going to come in boxes of 3

So it's not as if you're even getting a good number of models in the box

[fallen plaza]

3 models

3

Okay

[rocky gale]

Yea, same number as the AoS model beside it

[storm jungle]

WAIT

3?

WHAT

[rocky gale]

"All three sanguinary guard"

[fallen plaza]

Welp guys, i told you, pyreblaster was peak, it was only gonna get worse from here

[storm jungle]

Im screaming

lmao

[rocky gale]

Literal clownshow

[storm jungle]

Until next week for the reveals i guess kiddos

[fallen plaza]

Maybe when 30k gets another release you 40k guys can eat good again

[rocky gale]

They made Dante and then just gave up on the BA I guess

[storm jungle]

Cant complain

i barely even care about most SM minis

tho Sanguinary guard getting this violated is vile

lol

[queen laurel]

If your reaction is that imagine the people who dedicate time into building the army

[storm jungle]

KEK

Honestly makes it even funnier

[queen laurel]

They could probably go in a fist fight with an iron jaw and come out on top how mad they can get

[fallen plaza]

I mean its bad enough to get second hand shock from it

[storm jungle]

then again i do enjoy human misery

[rocky gale]

looks at all my Blood Angels

[storm jungle]

oh

uhhh

[queen laurel]

shit

[fallen plaza]

This underwhelming model clearly embodies the spirit of the legion

[queen laurel]

BOLT LADZ

[queen laurel]

is this supposed to be mark 3 armor

[fallen plaza]

Allegedly yes

[queen laurel]

I'm not even gonna lie to you this straight up looks like the type of power armor I will make in fallout

that's how mundane it is

[fallen plaza]

Well the space marine armor exist in f4

[spring cairn]

not crusty enough !

bring back the torsos with 2 hands and 2 feet attached

[fallen plaza]

Thats the joke

[queen laurel]

yes

[spring cairn]

this armor looks like dogshit yes was it in today's reveal

it almost look like someone photoshopped it

[rocky gale]

I was so busy seething over the Blood Angels I didn't even notice that they announced the Old World Chaos reveals and gave them no new models

[fallen plaza]

Old world w

[raven stone]

GW is going out of its way to disappoint everyone even moreso

Somehow

[fallen plaza]

I dont think they have outdone themselves in anyway

Its just the normal blunders they do

So its not a big deal

[rose thorn]

who do you htinkt he new killteams will be/

i heard vesps and agents but im nto sure

[rocky gale]

Jump Scions vs Vespids

Pretty much confirmed with the two videos

[rose thorn]

oh YAY I LOVE VESPIDSSSSS

<3333 vespidssssss

i would paint them like wasps

[queen laurel]

does that mean that this can be replaced

[rocky gale]

https://youtu.be/OaB45hpW6GA
https://youtu.be/rN1j_nuE8Fw

[rose thorn]

yes dear god

i love bugs

ar ewe about to get a tau vespid army!! /j

[queen laurel]

well more auxiliaries are good

[rose thorn]

if its not a replacement unit, we will get more vespids in the future

if it is a replacement, oh well

nice models

[rocky gale]

I think Vespids will be a replacement, but the Scions will just be a new unit

[rose thorn]

future as in like, next edition

[fallen plaza]

As cynical i can be, i do think there is a lot of love when making killteam

[outer wave]

Where we droppin' lads?

[rose thorn]

jump pack guard has always been a missing niche

[rose thorn]

its jsut th emodel makers going ham its always fun

the worst one is the tau pathfinders, which isnt even that bad

[queen laurel]

ork kill team are some of the crispiest models I have seen

[opaque coyote]

I love how one of the models has a rifle as big as itself but with a scope attached to it

I'm guessing the Ork loaded it with fucking anti tank rounds or something

[queen laurel]

It's a sniper

that has a belt fed sniper rifle

[raven stone]

Missed opportunity to have a backwards telescopic sight...

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he definitely ain't actually sniping

[spring cairn]

full auto belt fed sniper, it's not about will he hits his target it's about when will he eventually hit his target

[hallow plover]

Kunnin'

[opaque coyote]

Somebody made a full auto .50 BMG AK

So I am imagining that

But beltfed

[queen laurel]

these are kommandos they're pretty sneaky and smart

so they're not gonna install it wrong

[spring cairn]

smart (for an ork)

[opaque coyote]

Kommandos are literally just the equivalent of Ork Hipsters

[spring cairn]

like fast (for a dwarf) trait in tww

[opaque coyote]

"UNLIKE YOUZ GITZ

I CAN USE A SCOPE!!!"

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN1j_nuE8Fw&ab_channel=Warhammer

[queen laurel]

They're very good at sneaking around

[green loom]

Bug

[queen laurel]

you're late you black and red tin can

to the chambers you go

[opaque coyote]

Vespid maybe

[green loom]

Not maybe

[opaque coyote]

Is

Yes

Sitgyrn

[arctic talon]

mfw he's actually a half decent shot on the tabletop

[opaque coyote]

He just uses dakka until the problem goes away

[nocturne crest]

Is there any examples of Chaos / Traitor inquisitors?

I know there is one who joined the t'au, but how about Choas.

[rocky gale]

Like Inquisitors falling to Chaos?

Yea

Inquisitor Quixos for example

But that's a kinda complicated one

Or Inquisitor Ramius Stele

[green loom]

TLDR they're a thing

Part of the radical slippery slope

[rocky gale]

Quixos got Corrupted by Chaos and then tried to use the powers of Chaos to destroy the Eye of Terror to stop Chaos, but in the process did a lot of Heretical shit, plus like it's not really clear if his plan would have even worked or just made things worse

Ramius fell under the influence of a Tzeentch Daemon and attempted to corrupt the entire Blood Angel Chapter

But ye, they're a thing

[opaque coyote]

Basically fuck with Chaos, and Chaos ends up fucking with you

The radical inquisitors know this to some except

Usually they have backup plans or apprentices

Usually both

So that if they ever get corrupted, they'll get a bullet in-between their eyes fast

Of course there are some Radicals that are just

Stupid

[crystal forum]

unless you're abaddon and you fuck chaos so hard that it becomes submissive to you

there's at least one type of every imperial unit that has a chaos version. even commissars

the only exceptions are custodes and maybe some others who are hard coded as never being able to defect

[rocky gale]

All fear the Chaos Jokaero

[crystal forum]

but i'm willing to bet if dan abnett wanted to write about a chaos custodes GW would let him

[opaque coyote]

Even then the four secretly are fucking Abaddon

That's also why he does multiple crusades

He can't make too much progress at once because if he does, one of the four WILL fuck him over

The Great Game must continue

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think that Chaos Custodes are a bit too far.

But some more free thinking ones will be neat.

I'm honestly surprised one hasn't left out of depression

Like they had one job, protect the Emperor, and they failed.

Until Gulliman came back, they were basically depressed

[crystal forum]

some are older than astartes lol

weird that they never gain the ability to think freely

[opaque coyote]

Exactly

You could say they haven't cause the Emperor

But now he's

Kinda

Uh

Indisposed

[crystal forum]

maybe his psychic presence kept them in check

[opaque coyote]

I doubt the Emperor ever intended to let the Custodes last as long tbh

He wouldn't kill them off tbf. But once the webway was finished he would 100% stop making them

[crystal forum]

i'm sure surrounding himself with super super human immortal golden warriors kept his ego filled

the idea that the emperor needed bodyguards is already pretty laughable

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being created to serve the emperor only to find out that the one you're supposed to be loyal to is basically in a Coma

[crystal forum]

he just wanted his own paramilitary who are 100% loyal to him

sounds a bit like another historical figure

[opaque coyote]

Nah but he definitely wanted to relax without some dumbass trying to stab him

"Ugh not another assassin"

[crystal forum]

he'd just kill them

he's the emperor

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. But it's like swatting away flies

Boring, takes too long, annoying

Better get some flytraps

(Custodes)

[crystal forum]

why not just use astartes

i think he just wanted to feel important by making custodes even more superhuman