40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

the metal balls and shit legit traumatize me

just eurgh

[shell mason]

[dusk patrol]

Hear me out

[storm jungle]

WHY ARE YOU IMPLANTING THEM ABOVE YOUR SPINE

[dusk patrol]

Great Balls of Fire

[arctic talon]

how do you feel about the Fullborg conversion thats meant for sex workers

[storm jungle]

no

[shell mason]

I could fw it

[arctic talon]

and no it doesn't normally look like that

[spring cairn]

we should've stopped at cock and balls that glow in the dark but nooooo

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/plug-life-sainsburys-gif-13023336

[arctic talon]

there's a version of Mr Studd meant for women but I forgot the name

and I don't really want to remember either ngl

[storm jungle]

wheres that charles dance gif

from space truckers

where he looks like an Iron Hand marine and activates his glowing DICK

[arctic talon]

what

[spring cairn]

it's not there maybe because he activates his glowing dick

[storm jungle]

damn time to google

hold on

[spring cairn]

mod about to post nsfw in chat

[storm jungle]

https://i.imgur.com/5IrjQAb.gif

also

love the melted cheese makeup

really brings the character together

[spring cairn]

average augments in the guard

[shell mason]

talk about a tin man

[spring cairn]

(officers only)

[shell mason]

huh?

[arctic talon]

oh fun fact there's a Katana in Baldurs Gate 3

its just a +1 longsword

but its funny

[shell mason]

lol

[spring cairn]

katanna....

superiour steel

folded 3 times at least

[spring cairn]

much better than wesrtern stuff can cut thru plate

[arctic talon]

it is a magical katana!

[storm jungle]

damn

[arctic talon]

a +1 Katana

[storm jungle]

i hate it even more

[arctic talon]

LOL

[plush mason]

neverwinter nights had them too

[storm jungle]

im sorry i got total war trauma

[plush mason]

i found it strange ngl

[arctic talon]

Neat

I mean

They’re both major port cities

It’s not too weird

[plush mason]

true

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/springtrap-sturdy-gif-5598742388546306018

[arctic talon]

Cazador in baldurs gate 3 is from faerun Japan

Fun fact

[shell mason]

fnaf in dbd

[snow fern]

Isn't the whole point of Katanas that Japan has crappy iron

[plush mason]

didnt know faerun had a Japan lol

[arctic talon]

Was that the bite of 87

[arctic talon]

Yes

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-fortnite-scream-fortnite-dance-gif-4795167745947838865

[arctic talon]

Toril has a DND Japan and China

Not faerun

[shell mason]

Vegeta when bulma made her ass bigger

[arctic talon]

My bad

[plush mason]

but does it have foxpeople like Pathfinder's

[arctic talon]

Maybe? They have like 0 lore lol

[plush mason]

rip

[spring cairn]

warhammer fantasy syndrome

[plush mason]

Cathey literally only getting major lore after they canned old fantasy

[arctic talon]

I take it back

holy shit they got lore in 4e

what the fuck

[plush mason]

isnt that like the most universally hated one?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[snow fern]

The Pathfinder Kitsune are weird

[arctic talon]

but its still canon

Okay it has "spirit people" which is just WOTC's generic like

can look like almost whatever you want

[snow fern]

Doesn't help our first Kitsune character is like, the least liked companion in WOTR

[arctic talon]

I'm going to say sure it has fox people

but only if your DM lets you

[plush mason]

i know, it just explains why the lore isnt widely known is all

[arctic talon]

and if I'm your DM I'll probably let you

[arctic talon]

4e was weird

it had a ton of good ideas but it felt more like a video game

then a tabletop game

which is incredibly cursed for me to type out

[snow fern]

We need more spears in games, for one of the most used weapons in human history, they go underappreciated

[plush mason]

huh? she is actualy one the most liked, the only complaint is she doesnt have a romance arc

[snow fern]

I think it's mainly tied to the awful dungeon for her character quest

[arctic talon]

spears are cool

[snow fern]

I don't like puzzle dungeons

[plush mason]

yeah people generally dont like puzzle dungeons, still one of the best written companion quests in the game

[arctic talon]

Pathfinder deleted drow

I elected to ignore that because that would ruin the current campaign I am running in pathfinder 2e

lol

[plush mason]

its still funny to me that the number of kitsune in WOTR is ether 2 or 3 if the MC is one

[shell mason]

imagine your putting in numbers with your barb

and then get pwked from across the map

[plush mason]

average barb moment tbh

[arctic talon]

I'm running some weird mix between current pathfinder 2e lore and pathfinder 2e before the WOTC incident

but w/e it doesn't really matter

[plush mason]

what did they do this time?

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about the OGL thing

[plush mason]

oh right

[arctic talon]

which made Paizo remove a lot of stuff

like beholders

and Drow

ect.

[shell mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

I elected to just pick and choose lol

like I have and always will with anything WOTC makes

but I did genuinely really like what Paizo had before the OGL stuff happened

[plush mason]

if they where anything like the beholders in 3/3.5e dnd thats a good thing, DDO has made me hate them with a passion

fucking anti-magic zone and negative level beams

[arctic talon]

They’re a nerfed down version of 3.5e beholders

No negative level beam

Thank god

[plush mason]

oh good

[arctic talon]

I’m not sure why that was a thing

In the first place

[snow fern]

PF2e has a lot less negative level shenanigans

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

to make players suffer ofc

[arctic talon]

PF2e is sane and normal

Well

Relatively sane and normal

[arctic talon]

This is why I force my players to switch between dnd and pathfinder/j

[snow fern]

I mainly play PF1e with stuff from other editions I like, it's fun, but I also make sure to limit save and suck cause it aint fun

[shell mason]

one day

if i get alzheimers

i will forget i have it

AND GET MY MEMORIES BACK

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-manga-gif-17386688786442927012

[arctic talon]

Guh

[shell mason]

LOL

[crisp heath]

Is the swarmlord the strongest single entity in the tyranids force?

[arctic talon]

Biotitans

[crisp heath]

To goggle I go

Scoliosis looking ass

Goofy ahh alien

[spring cairn]

very tall bioform

holds it's gun very low due to inherent design

https://tenor.com/view/special-dumb-dummy-gif-7068419121745449264

[plush mason]

that dreadnaught is looking like it is saying "oh hell no"

[arctic talon]

Calgar wants to 1v1 it

[plush mason]

as normal

actually, is a lord of skulls titan level?

[arctic talon]

its bigger then the lord of skulls

its also in universe one of the smaller bio titans

[crisp heath]

And as we all know

The tallest one always wins

It’s in the lore

[plush mason]

i ask because Calgar soloed a lord of skulls ofc

[crisp heath]

Gods bluest soldier

[arctic talon]

I wonder if calgar ever misses his terminator armor

lol

[crisp heath]

Wonder how big the red wake would end up being if he got primaris treatment

[arctic talon]

Taller

[crisp heath]

Real

[plush mason]

idk if he soloed the lord of skulls pre or post limb removal

[crisp heath]

Would no longer fit though doors

(He already didn’t)

[plush mason]

i really hope he did it post, because if he managed to dodge a lord of skull's axe, jump up on its arm, run up its arm, jump on its shoulder and rip its head off in just normal terminator armor that makes it even more anime

[arctic talon]

It’s most likely post

Calgar switched to gravis for easier repairs

But I wonder if he ever decides to just wear the terminator armor

[shell mason]

brother

[wintry scarab]

Howcome titus has a silver skull on his helm instead of a gold one?

[shell mason]

It goes better

like this slaps

[storm jungle]

Artistic choice

silence nerd

[shell mason]

Staregryn unnerves me

[plush mason]

[shell mason]

Fuck you

[hallow plover]

Titus is joining the Silver Skulls chapter in the post credits. That's why.

[storm jungle]

nooOOOO

[crisp heath]

i wish there would be a sororitas DLC for space marine 2 but we´ll probably never get that 😦

i´d pay 50€ for that, unironically

probably even more

[storm jungle]

Well yeah

its a space marine game

[opaque coyote]

No peaches next to sausages

Bad for business

[storm jungle]

Women dont sell its true

Sororitas can have their awful VR game

[crisp heath]

what?

[opaque coyote]

Wait they have a VR game

[storm jungle]

the fact that you two dont know this exists

literally proves my point

LOL

[crisp heath]

no way

[opaque coyote]

That looks like it'd give me sickness

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/Hhvp_t4MSmA

its like 2 years old and already forgotten

[crisp heath]

i like feeling sick. time to get a VR headset

[opaque coyote]

Besides honestly I would much rather prefer a Guardsman game

Or a Roguelike

[storm jungle]

The closest you are getting is this game

nobody is ever gonna make a guardsman FPS

[opaque coyote]

Tbf to make it the proper experience it'll either be multiplay r

[storm jungle]

yeah that is deffo not happening lol

[opaque coyote]

Which is hard to balance, hard to satisfy, and generally hard to make

[crisp heath]

they made a tau fps of all things before, i don´t think it´s that unlikely

[opaque coyote]

Or generally very very hard

[storm jungle]

that game is like 20 years old

and it was experimental

and didnt sell well

[opaque coyote]

The Tau fps fucking sucks tho

[crisp heath]

😦

[opaque coyote]

I love the Tau

[crisp heath]

tfw i´m older than the tau fps

[opaque coyote]

But Fire Warrior sucks

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

i used to like the tau as a child when i first got into warhammer

now they´re weird and i don´t know why i would prefer them over chainsword and bolter wielding power armour

[opaque coyote]

I'm sorry, I know that Tau are canonically weaker than human beings.

But I think they know how to use a gun without shaking like they have severe osteoporosis

Especially since Fire Warriors wear like

Powered Suits

[crisp heath]

isn´t that only because of built-in technology tho

[storm jungle]

Fire Warriors wear normal high-tech armor

its not a powersuit

[opaque coyote]

Yeah fair.

But the weight should at least have them not shake

[arctic talon]

Tau aren't canonically weaker physically

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

For the fire caste

they just have worse hands eye coordination and reaction speed

they're plenty strong in universe

Now on the otherhand air caste are a buch of hollow boned lanky motherfuckers

they absolutely cannot take a punch lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I feel like reaction speed would be important in range

[arctic talon]

apparently it only matters in cqb

with how its done

its weird

[opaque coyote]

But then again they probably have systems

[arctic talon]

Idfk Tau biology specifically

[storm jungle]

better read up on it fucker

[arctic talon]

I know enough Tau lore

[storm jungle]

but dont because uhh RTS budget

[opaque coyote]

"How do you kill daemons?"

"PRAY"

"HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK YOU GUEVESA?"

"HERETIC."

[storm jungle]

Shoulda just told em to shoot it

fucking dumbass

[crisp heath]

how can a xenos be a heretic o:

[opaque coyote]

Yeah tbf the space marine also told that

[arctic talon]

Their existance is heresy

[opaque coyote]

Along with praying

[storm jungle]

by being a foreigner

i mean uh

alien

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

whoops

[opaque coyote]

It's weirdly funny to imagine just

Normal immigrant troubles in the Imperium

[storm jungle]

It does happen

[arctic talon]

The mass lynching in question

[storm jungle]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

The fucking Adminstratum employee has to clarify whether they mean the immigrant aliens or actual aliens

[storm jungle]

"your skin is too grey"

Im glad we humans dont have such xenophobic tendencies IRL, imagine that

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

"Holy shit, you have a darker skin color"

[arctic talon]

At least “standard” skin colors aren’t discriminated against heavily in lore

Thanks GW

[crisp heath]

what if a tau told a chaplain he wanted to convert and pray to the emperor

[storm jungle]

he'd die

[crisp heath]

would he be allowed to do it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf if there is one benefit of the Emperor's creed

It's they people don't really care about skin color or sexuality

[crisp heath]

😦

[arctic talon]

Convert by dying

[storm jungle]

Humans are literally nazis in 40k

best to remember that

they got literal death camps lol

[opaque coyote]

Actually even worse arguably

[arctic talon]

The indomitable human will to become actual genocidal psychopaths

[storm jungle]

Imperator T-Rex my beloved

[opaque coyote]

Again 40k was specifically made to be so horrifically grim and dark

It sort of loops back around to being funny

[storm jungle]

its not really looping

its purposeful black comedy

also satire

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

I think my favorite example was when a bunch of Kriegers bombed a hive city

The hive city surrendered

And then they kept fucking bombing them

[arctic talon]

It’s more efficient if we use kids to clean this -the mechanicus

[storm jungle]

sounds like something familiar IRL

[storm jungle]

lmao

[crisp heath]

i´ve heard it was more overtly comedic when it first started out, and the tone shifted only over the years to somewhat serious (if you want to take it seriously you can)

[storm jungle]

GOD

[arctic talon]

The time shifted in 2e so

It’s been a while lol

But 1e and rogue trader was very jokey

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's all fun and games until you realize that 95% of 40k is inspired by real events

[arctic talon]

Do you hate this sticker LOL

[opaque coyote]

And then it becomes not so fun anymore

[storm jungle]

i hate the artist

fucking archon-of-flesh

lmao

[arctic talon]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean Ghazkgull was named after Margaret Thatcher

[storm jungle]

I love how people were like "the writer said it wasnt intentional"

yeah im sure

LOL

[crisp heath]

there´s a planet named birmingham which is described as the worst, most backwater disgusting place in the galaxy 🌝

[opaque coyote]

GW originated in Britain

[arctic talon]

It absolutely was intentional

[opaque coyote]

It was 100% intentional

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

its a lovely planet

[arctic talon]

Even if they don’t want to say it

[arctic talon]

It’s described as backwater and backwards but it’s not disgusting

[opaque coyote]

Also btw, I feel like relieving myself.

Maybe I should go to Thatcher's grave...

[storm jungle]

its the same vein as how Unitology in Dead Space is literally parodying Scientology

but they cant outright say it

because their ass would get sued

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Birmingham is

Funny

It got mentioned in 8e LOL

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/regions-field-birmingham-alabama-barons-gif-10529814

[arctic talon]

With having the grey knights show up and kill a bunch of csm

And that’s it

Birmingham still exists

[opaque coyote]

To be honest.

I know it's weird to say this.

But TTS is kind of a return to form to the early edition's sense of comedy tbh

[storm jungle]

Uh

[opaque coyote]

Nah nvm

[arctic talon]

Not really

[storm jungle]

too late

you're banned

[arctic talon]

It’s a very different style of humor

[opaque coyote]

Oh fu

[storm jungle]

chat get em outta here

[opaque coyote]

No please don't execute me

[opaque coyote]

I'm not a. Heretic

AAAA

[crisp heath]

why.....

[opaque coyote]

I do like the more satire side of 40k in general tho

[arctic talon]

I think it’s funny when the mechanicus turned cadian refugees into servitors

[opaque coyote]

I kinda wish it was less "serious" sometimes

[storm jungle]

but anyway yeah TTS's comedy is more appealing to fandom memes, its genesis was a lot more like uh... extremely shitty mid 2000's 40k humor which has made the original starting episodes age terribly.

You can tell Alfa and his team super matured as the series progressed.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah definitely

I like the later episodes much more

[arctic talon]

It’s got some jokey stuff in it still tbh

[storm jungle]

also this yeah

[opaque coyote]

It's kinda like how DBZ abridged also progressed

[storm jungle]

like uh, black comedy is rampant in 40k and has been forever, you just need to read the material more

[arctic talon]

Black comedy is like

[storm jungle]

Back when peak comedy was just yelling "gay"

[arctic talon]

The bread and butter of modern 40K

[storm jungle]

also this

[arctic talon]

F- I for legal reasons have been discouraged from continuing this joke

[opaque coyote]

Fair I do need to read more.

I have a list of books I wanna read.

Although I think my favorite was Cain casually mention how he uses criminals as target practice

[storm jungle]

Yeah its stuff like that which is great

[arctic talon]

I think my favorite dark humor moment in the recent core rule book

Was an entire group of people being servitorized for hearing a secret code

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Thats the tyrannic war one

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its a custodian transmission they got

[arctic talon]

It’s really funny

[opaque coyote]

Or the Tau being horrified at Servitors.

Which fair.

Also genuine question.

What do you all feel about Servitors.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

I think they’re cool and gross

[tough haven]

Horror

[storm jungle]

they are terrible

[tough haven]

same

[storm jungle]

anyone that actually ""defends"" or tries to justify servitors is a fucking moronic psycho lmao

[tough haven]

Theyre nearly purposeless

[tough haven]

and utterly terrifying

[arctic talon]

They have a purpose

[tough haven]

so most of 40k

[arctic talon]

That doesn’t make them good

[tough haven]

I said nearly

[storm jungle]

Yep

also like the existence of factions like the votann

show theres no need for servitors

lol

[green loom]

We should make them a servitor if they justify it

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Let me get my ice pick out

[crystal forum]

i love servitors

[green loom]

Nah we'll make them one of those fully aware ones

[opaque coyote]

The Servitors were made as an answer to a problem.

It's a very shit answer tho

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its not a problem

[arctic talon]

You get a cutscene in baldurs gate 3 where you get a uh

[storm jungle]

its supersition

[arctic talon]

Ice pick to your brain

Lobotomy style

[crystal forum]

a good old lobotomy

[arctic talon]

Except it isn’t for a lobotomy

[storm jungle]

I have seen people say "lobotimizing pre-servitor people is humane"

what the fuck

[arctic talon]

It’s to remove the tadpole from your head

[green loom]

Does that kill you

Or do you just lose an eye

[arctic talon]

You take a bunch of damage and volo literally knocks your eye out

You get a debuff for the rest of the day but volo gives you a replacement eye

[tough haven]

I love how imperials be like "We cant have robots or they'll be corrupted by chaos and rise up" and then servitors malfunction or are corrupted to rise against their masters like literally every other warp jump

[opaque coyote]

Tbf we don't know why the Men of Iron rebelled.

So it could've been for a reason originally?

But then quickly went out of control into what we went now.

Since using human beings as fucking computers aren't good.

Honestly I would rather downgrade to the stone age than do that

There is no real justification

[storm jungle]

We also know there was Men of Iron who also helped humans.

its a messy affair

[tough haven]

Almost like they have free will and chose what to do with it

crazy

[green loom]

And probably not as black and white as the imperium displays it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-gif-18047283

[storm jungle]

Also this

[crystal forum]

flashback to dead space 2

[green loom]

Since remember, both sides had horrific world killer shit

[arctic talon]

Idk the ice pick scene is horrifying lol

The fact you keep on getting options to back out from it

Is hilarious

[opaque coyote]

Reminds me of the AI from Cyberpunk.

Basically most of the AI beyond the Blackwall ended up as psychopathic murders but there are actually a bunch of AIs who live in Hong Kong and actively help people

[storm jungle]

nothing tops Dead Space 2's one

[crystal forum]

i couldnt find a gif of the dead space 2 death scene

[arctic talon]

It’s like a DM asking you “are you sure you want to do this”

[storm jungle]

yeah its great

[crystal forum]

where the needle fucking jams into your brain

[arctic talon]

Also you get to see your character without their eye

Lmao

[green loom]

And the example s we've seen of pre imperium dark age humanity are

Nearing drukhari levels

[arctic talon]

Not really?

[storm jungle]

Almost.

[arctic talon]

Unless you’re talking about tech

[storm jungle]

There was rampant genetic expermentation and like WMD spamming

[arctic talon]

Oh that

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think the Men of Iron situation was something similar.

Maybe Chaos had a hand in it.

But I prefer if it was just them being like

"...You know this fucking sucks. Let's kill humans."

[green loom]

I said nearing, Fo made some haemonculous ass shit

[storm jungle]

we should all return to the underhive, and be healthy individuals like this gentleman

[opaque coyote]

Or it could have been an "infinite paperclip" type of situation

[storm jungle]

least insane imperial citizen btw

[opaque coyote]

I shot him in the leg

[arctic talon]

Fo was fucked up

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Love how he fucking bodyswapped off-screen

dumbass subplot

[green loom]

Oh right elite

On the cyberpunk stuff earlier

[storm jungle]

OH CHRIST

[opaque coyote]

Also

I said this fun fact earlier before but I'll say it again.

Apparently due to the fact that Tau have different hearing spectrums.

Tau music to humans sound like complete ass

[arctic talon]

LOL

[green loom]

You thought it was something worse didn't you

[arctic talon]

Good image

[storm jungle]

to be fair

considering the music we have today

maybe they got a point

[arctic talon]

Me when subjective taste

[crisp heath]

KETCHUP on a KEBAB?!

[green loom]

Davut Martinez is too powerful

[opaque coyote]

The Shamawra Wrap ending:

David prepares a Shamawra for Adam Smasher and they become friends.

Rebecca gets surgery and recovers well with only slight brain damage.

Everyone is happy

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5GVlKoszPw

[storm jungle]

Im Turkish ill allow it this once

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[storm jungle]

The true zealot

PROTECTING THE CULTURE

[versed ledge]

I wonder, why can't we have servitors or cyber mastiffs IRL? Some of the things the imperium have would.be nice to have in reality

[arctic talon]

The strongest warrior

[crystal forum]

i put mayonaise on the kebab

[arctic talon]

What

[storm jungle]

Because we are generally sane human beings what the fuck

[versed ledge]

Why

[green loom]

I think there's been some success transplanting rat brains into stuff

[crisp heath]

lmao

[crystal forum]

i like mayonaise

[crisp heath]

yeah why cant we

[arctic talon]

Let’s not talk about the abominations of science that prolly didn’t go over ethical review

Like Elon musks brain frier

[versed ledge]

That's not abominations, that glorious progress!

[storm jungle]

bro legit asked

[arctic talon]

Yes I’m sure

Now hold still

[storm jungle]

"Why cant we make cyber-bio-slaves"

[versed ledge]

We can have wet ware computing soon

[arctic talon]

I need to carve out your brain

[arctic talon]

I fucking hope not

Not without figuring out how to artificially grow a brain

[versed ledge]

If you put it that way....it does sound bad

[crisp heath]

it´s just a problem with lack of technology that´s the only reason not to do it

[crystal forum]

i hope i can become a functionless robot for my technocratic overlords

[arctic talon]

That’s what servitors are

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry if I become a technocratic overlord I won’t lobotomize people

[storm jungle]

who says we already arent tbh

[versed ledge]

You are correct, though the methodology to do so is already present

[crisp heath]

i am NOT correct

[arctic talon]

There’s ethical reasons we don’t FUCKING LOBOTOMIZE PEOPLE

HOLY SHIT

[versed ledge]

The primary issue the brain's remarkable recovery speed for the control implants

[arctic talon]

I’m a goddamn CS student

[opaque coyote]

I am now imagining dialogue.

Veteran: "So I got a Grox Meat sandwich the other day, it was a big hotdog. Absolutely delic-"

Zealot: "I'm sorry. Did you say that a Hot Dog was a SANDWICH."

Veteran: "Y-yeah what's wrong with tha-"

Zealot: "HERESY. THE EMPEROR COMPELLS YOU TO DIE!"

fighting ensues with cartoonish dust cloud

Ogyrn: "I'm hungry."

Psyker: "We all are bud, we all are."

[arctic talon]

I should not be the one talking about ETHICS

[arctic talon]

Violence

[crisp heath]

i´m a philosophy student, so allowe me to take over

[storm jungle]

Philosophy is for nerds

get her lads

[arctic talon]

I took 1 year of ethics

[versed ledge]

You serve the mechanicus then, why denounce the prospect for technology?

[crystal forum]

we should chop off the limbs of people who dont need them

[crisp heath]

ahem we don´t lobotomize people into machine servants because it´s bad ok

[arctic talon]

It was a intresting class

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[crystal forum]

give the limbs to those in need

[arctic talon]

It was mostly telling you to not commit atrocities

In the name of progress

[versed ledge]

[arctic talon]

Which was one of the class topics of all time

[crystal forum]

we should recreate the machine of torment from my favorite sci fi story: "dont create the machine of torment"

[opaque coyote]

"But what if

I want to get up on the high shelf

And the guy next to me is tall enough

If he can reach it, then I can turn him into a servitor. Easy!"

-10 Terra year old Tech Priest

[queen laurel]

ah yes immediate Brutalization certainly the lore chat way

[arctic talon]

I literally had to write a paper on why I shouldn’t make something that will get people killed in accidents

[versed ledge]

Tell me more

[arctic talon]

The bar is on the fucking floor lol

[opaque coyote]

Counterpoint

It's funny

And I get their stuff

[arctic talon]

Counterpoint I’m going to create the torment nexus

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

And shove every politician into it

[crystal forum]

we only slowly kill people, that's how we know we're ethical

[arctic talon]

💀

[opaque coyote]

True

[arctic talon]

The torment nexus

[versed ledge]

Another counter point, it's profitable and has a niche market

[arctic talon]

From don’t create the torment nexus

[queen laurel]

counterpoint: just put them in a boxing ring to forcefully kill each other with bare hands

and the winner gets shot in the head

[versed ledge]

What's a torment nexus?

[arctic talon]

Okay jokes aside the ethics class I took in college made me greatly concerned

[opaque coyote]

Joe Biden vs Trump

Who wins

[arctic talon]

Mostly since uh

[green loom]

This talk of lobotomy is making my cat wake up

[crystal forum]

obamna

[arctic talon]

I feel like some of that stuff should be basic morality

[arctic talon]

It’s adorable

[crisp heath]

the good thing about ethics is that it´s actually not even hard to judge moral facts, i mean any child will agree with the proposition "nobody should torture infants for fun", the hard part is just to explain why that is

[queen laurel]

Cute

[crystal forum]

i lost power and now i want to blame my nearest politican for this

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think they ask basic questions so that you should be able to answer them beyond just "it's bad".

More of a thought exercise than actual moral dilemma

But remember that a counter argument a couple of religious people make is

"If you don't have religion, what's stopping you from murdering?"

[arctic talon]

Because people are well adjusted human beings?

[versed ledge]

Yes...unless there is a reason that doesn't concern fun...then I guess that's the realm of moral relativity?

[versed ledge]

We're in a 40k chat group, what's well adjusted?

[crisp heath]

there´s no need to be able to answer the question of why something is bad. it´s enough to take the judgement "this is bad" as a synthetic fact

you can do it if you want though

[crystal forum]

the only thing i learned from my mandatory philosophy classes is that moral philosophy was created by people who love to justify terrible behaviour

[crisp heath]

the good is determined independent of any use

[versed ledge]

Agreed

[crisp heath]

you do the good because it´s good, not because it´s useful

even if it can be useful

[crystal forum]

i hate kant

fuck him

[opaque coyote]

Basically we have done a ton of shit just to say

"don't be an asshole"

"idiot"

[crisp heath]

i want to stop philosophising, but i kant

[opaque coyote]

Also for an answer to the trolley problem

You should flick the lever back and forth so that you can get a 6 kill streak

[versed ledge]

Hit both, see if I truly care

[opaque coyote]

Instead of a measly 5

[versed ledge]

YES

[opaque coyote]

Can't believe people can't solve this

[crisp heath]

ummmm ACKSHUALY the point of the trolley problem essay was not to ask for an answer, but to show that we have meaningful philosophical/ethical intuitions, and that it might be worthwhile to reflect on them

[opaque coyote]

[crisp heath]

little known fact: the trolley problem was invented by a WOMAN

✊

[opaque coyote]

It's kind of like how debates usually aren't about convincing your opponent

It's so that both sides can see different perspectives and adapt the virtues and ideas into your mindset and lifestyle.

At least in a professional debate

If it's political

Good luck

[crystal forum]

i dont like false dichotomies

[crisp heath]

unfortunately 😦 convincing someone of something would presuppose that they are in a state of critical suspension of belief, which hardly any normies ever are, let alone politicians/politically involved people

[opaque coyote]

Basically we are very biased towards ourselves

And it's hard to change

We hate change

So yeah

[crisp heath]

i´m currently residing in the USA, and it´s so much worse here than in europe lol

it´s actually comical

[opaque coyote]

No shit

Although Britain is getting closer

Which is funny since it's America's mother essentially

[crisp heath]

there´s people actually driving around with TRUMP 2024 flags on their pickup trucks, which was hard for me to believe this is a real thing that exists in the world when i was still in germany

[opaque coyote]

Bro my neighbor has a Trump 2024 sign on his fence

[crystal forum]

i support destroying everything

[crisp heath]

shoot him

it´s the american thing to do

[crystal forum]

we must build more nukes

[crisp heath]

why is it always just the trumpoids who do this though, lmao

[opaque coyote]

Nah it was always a thing

It just became prevalent with Trump

Fun fact. New York tried to add taxes to the big soda bottles

Y'know the ones that are usually made for parties

There was a riot

The mayor immediately revoked it

[versed ledge]

Yes, yes it is. But it could be worse

[crisp heath]

are there no taxes on soda bottles though??? then why is a bottle of root beer like at least $3. i get a big bottle of cola for 1.25€ in germany

[arctic talon]

There’s not a specific tax on it in most states

[versed ledge]

It would be pretty funny if we end up having hive city quality of life

[arctic talon]

Some states do have a junk food tax though

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also despite Insulin only costing $1 to produce a vial, it costs close to $200 to buy

[green loom]

Already do

[versed ledge]

That's a wonderful idea

[opaque coyote]

Only in America

[arctic talon]

Though this applies to stuff like chips

And candy

[versed ledge]

It would help with funding issues for local governments

[arctic talon]

Not like

Fried pre processed frozen meals and stuff

[crisp heath]

well i heard the guy from shark tank is selling medicine at non-markup prices now!!!

[green loom]

Fast food?

[crisp heath]

at least.

[arctic talon]

Fast food isn’t usually taxed under this yeah

Fast food is also overpriced as shit

[opaque coyote]

Also it costs money to ride on an ambulance

[crisp heath]

THEN WHY is a frozen pizza $10!!!! the most expensive one i´ve seen in germany was like 3€

for a high quality one

[green loom]

Watching the video where a single McDonald's hashbrown costs more than a pack of 10 from some store

[opaque coyote]

America

🦅

[crisp heath]

and yet everyone here is FAT

[versed ledge]

Yes, about $2000 -$3500 depending on state. I heard private insurance can help cover the cost

[crisp heath]

how can they afford it

[arctic talon]

Idfk

[opaque coyote]

Cause getting healthier meals are more expensive

Not joking btw

It's

It's a problem

[green loom]

At least you have the option, all I have is junk

[crisp heath]

i made two big bowls of salad today for like 7$ max....

[arctic talon]

Also people on food stamps might not be able to like

Buy fresh food

[versed ledge]

And by design too, lower income households are usually the frequent consumers of "junk" foodstuffs

[arctic talon]

Which is pretty grim

[crisp heath]

i guess it´s because we went to aldi. why is a cucumber $2.50 at the giant eagle supermarket

[crystal forum]

i wish my food stores here had half the variety in US stores

[versed ledge]

Our system is both cruel and genius in its diabolical capacity.

[arctic talon]

Go to Chinese/Japanese/Korean grocers if they’re around you’ll get cheaper grocery’s always lol

[versed ledge]

It's almost impressive were it not so tragic

[crisp heath]

oh yeah tbh that´s a ton of fun compared to germany

[arctic talon]

Also in some places

[crystal forum]

everything sucks here i hate it

[arctic talon]

The only place to buy food is dollar stores

And such

[crisp heath]

did you watch "the one percent" doc by jamie jonson (jonson&jonson heir)

[arctic talon]

Which is fucked up

[crisp heath]

it´s really good!

[versed ledge]

Fellow American?

[crystal forum]

no

canadian

[crisp heath]

it´s an inside view.

[opaque coyote]

America in general prizes personal freedom*.

(With limitations).

You have the freedom to eat as much junk food as you want

Smoke as much as you want

[crystal forum]

everything is just more expensive and we get lower wages

[opaque coyote]

Etc.

[versed ledge]

I haven't, but thanks for the recommendation

[versed ledge]

Is it really that bad up north?

[crystal forum]

yes

food is crazy

[crisp heath]

😦

[opaque coyote]

Yeah your housing market is somehow worse than California's

[crystal forum]

and again our wages suck

[opaque coyote]

That is an achievement

[arctic talon]

Have they banned glorious 中國 investors yet

[versed ledge]

Don't worry, it's only the serfs...(Worry a lot)

[crystal forum]

in some places yes

[arctic talon]

Good

[crystal forum]

a bit too late

[arctic talon]

Real estate shouldn’t be invested in

[arctic talon]

Goddamit

[crystal forum]

on the plus side i pay nothing for my meds so that's cool

[versed ledge]

I mean it shouldn't be, but it does make for good profits

[crystal forum]

but hospitals suck ass here

[arctic talon]

Health care

[crystal forum]

yeah it wont cost you an arm and a leg but you'll be waiting for like 6 hours

and having a family doctor is super hard

[opaque coyote]

America has the same

Only you have to pay for it

[crystal forum]

and the government is going towards private healthcare lol

we're becoming more american

we have a little shithead who's a diet trump

and since everybody's tired of trudeau he'll likely get elected

[opaque coyote]

God trump better lose

[arctic talon]

Kid named project 2025

[crisp heath]

at least if trump wins i can go back to germany

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

where the NSDAP 2.0 is on the rise 🥲

[crystal forum]

the US literally becoming a theistic dictatorship is definitely one of the wildest hoi4 campagins

im so glad it's just fiction

[arctic talon]

I will simply beg my Taiwanese relatives for a place to live

[crisp heath]

my plan C is to go to svalbard

[arctic talon]

And then I’ll get blown up by the inevitable 中國 invasion some day

[crystal forum]

if only mainland taiwan could chill a bit

[arctic talon]

💀

[crisp heath]

watch what you say...remember the chinese police stations in canada....

[crystal forum]

dont worry they only assassinate chinese dissidents

[arctic talon]

Real and true

[versed ledge]

So on a more fun topic, can we make wet ware computing a reality with brains?

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s possible

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/ycghO-fRh8g?si=zWBWHqNft3ELeSOk

gravis gameplay

it's almost like

[arctic talon]

Gravis goes hard

I do wish we had an option to go hoodless

Or have a reduced sized hood

[plush mason]

yeah its gona be my main for the multiplayer

[arctic talon]

I’m either gona play assault or Phobos

Bcs I’m addicted to fast movement

[crystal forum]

do not question gravis

[arctic talon]

But I want one like the heavy Intercessor kit

[crystal forum]

the heavy intercessors have the hood

[arctic talon]

It’s reduced

Is my point

[crystal forum]

it looks to same

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t cover as much of the helmet

As the one in game

Smh

[crystal forum]

i want the true gravis armour

the heavy ones

[snow fern]

I wanna rock the shield and play the fighter dude guy

[crisp heath]

they actually called the class "heavy" huh

is there a "sniper" too?

or "pyro" with flamer?

[arctic talon]

There’s a sniper

But that’s it

[crisp heath]

wahhaa

[arctic talon]

The rest are tactical, assault, bulwark and vanguard

[crisp heath]

dentist the crentist

[crystal forum]

i'm assuming you arent a space marine tabletop player

because there are a LOT of space marine units

one to fill literally every niche imaginable

[arctic talon]

God

I wish primaris worked on the tabletop like they did in lore

[crisp heath]

i´m assuming you haven´t played team fortress 2

[arctic talon]

They’re just diet aspect warriors rn

[crystal forum]

you get like 4 different kinds of units for the same purpose

man this acid is kicking my ass

[arctic talon]

All the tacticus armor could be consolidated

[crystal forum]

are you implying

[arctic talon]

With it being split into normal/heavy/special weapons

[crystal forum]

that GW should sell less space marines

[arctic talon]

No

[crisp heath]

you´ve ingested LSD and you´re chatting in the darktide lore discord channel?

[arctic talon]

I’m implying they have a way to sell when more

[crystal forum]

yes

[arctic talon]

Bruh

[crisp heath]

that´s such a waste though

go listen to some music

[crystal forum]

i chatted here in the middle of sex

[crisp heath]

lol

[arctic talon]

Why

[crisp heath]

ok well i´ve seen that before

[crystal forum]

bored

[crisp heath]

she would go on about how this guy couldn´t fuck, it was really weird

[arctic talon]

I feel like that’s the last thing I want to do in the middle of that

[arctic talon]

Bruh

That goes crazy

[crystal forum]

you're prob straight smh

[queen laurel]

so at one point I might have been talking to you while you were raw dogging someone

[crisp heath]

sounds like you didn´t take enough acid

[crystal forum]

yes

[queen laurel]

rather horrific image ain't it

[arctic talon]

I’m bi but okay sure

Go off

[crystal forum]

not for you it isn't

[crisp heath]

🌝

any other god-fearin' NORMAL christians in chat???

[crystal forum]

no

[queen laurel]

God fearing

Hah no

[crisp heath]

don´t worry. i kissed a girl before.

[queen laurel]

you will not find that kind of person here

[crystal forum]

HA i got you to give me more elitwolf lore

[queen laurel]

Everyone here will look God straight in the eye and tell them do you want to learn about warhammer 40K

[crisp heath]

40k is bretty cool tbf

[arctic talon]

Idk I don’t like sharing lol

[crystal forum]

i will get the information

and add it to my brain

[outer wave]

Grew up god fearing if that counts

Im not so much nowadays

[crystal forum]

i fear god when i take too much

does that count

[arctic talon]

No

[snow fern]

So I’m not a tabletop person, is Primaris a separate army from Firstborn?

[crystal forum]

no

that would be funny

[snow fern]

Gotcha, it just seems like there’s so many Primaris units

[crystal forum]

firstborn just get shitty rules and rumors are that next edition they wont even get unique rules anymore

[arctic talon]

Firstborn rules are fine

For some things

[crystal forum]

tactical squad sucks

[arctic talon]

Yeah and devestator squads are decent

Predators and land raiders are also decent

[crystal forum]

it's nerf or nothing

[arctic talon]

The land raider is pretty good

Prolly the best it’s been in a while

[plush mason]

damn

[arctic talon]

Which is horrifying

[crystal forum]

why are you all acting surprised i literally said i was doing it

[plush mason]

no, just the fact you where bored during lol

[crystal forum]

i have ADHD i get bored easily

[hexed furnace]

Gang this is some crazy 40k lore

🤯

[plush mason]

its fairly Slannesh pilled

[arctic talon]

Jay hasn’t overdosed yet

[crystal forum]

im probably too lazy to fall to slaanesh

nurgle definitely

[plush mason]

hence why its only fairly Slannesh pilled

[crystal forum]

i want to sneeze on my enemies

[snow fern]

I might like Vashtor, being an arms dealer for chaos might be fun

[plush mason]

ngl i could see him replacing Khorne for me

[snow fern]

The god of the Military Industrial Complex feels 40k

I mean AoS has 5 chaos gods now. So why not

Still not really sure what the great horned rat is a god of but whatever

[arctic talon]

Skaven

The great horned rat kind of just steals

From the other chaos gods

[plush mason]

is he actually a full chaos god in AOS now?

[arctic talon]

He has been for a while

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[arctic talon]

Archeon only recently finally bit the bullet

[snow fern]

He’s got the paranoia of Tzeentch, the plagues of Nurgle, the black hunger which is, basically a Khorne thing, and rats fuck like rabbits so clearly Slannesh

[arctic talon]

And acknowledged it

Warpstone drugs

As well

[snow fern]

Yah, just need hair metal and he steals the whole thing

[arctic talon]

Vashtor also exists in AoS probably

He’s the shadowed figure running the forge of souls

[plush mason]

hm what do the Skaven look like in aos? they still the mutant steampunk rat men they where in fantasy?

[snow fern]

Skaven are basically the same

[arctic talon]

Same but even more mutant abominations and horrific tech

[plush mason]

nice

[arctic talon]

They also went unupdated for like

Several editions

[plush mason]

welp, i guess the nighthaunts are out of the top spot for me lol

[arctic talon]

https://plasticcraic.blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/image-71.png?w=1000

They got updated recently

Behold

[tough haven]

Oh gods no

Nobody that meets all of those things

[arctic talon]

Smh do you not like the new rat ogres

[plush mason]

they look good to me

like, i dont have 2000+ usd to actually play the TT so i just base my favorite factions off of looks and what ever lore i can learn

[arctic talon]

Yeah that makes sense lmao

Though AoS is like

Infinitely cheaper then any other GW Wargame

I love how much more grotesque the new rat ogres are

[plush mason]

i also dont have hobbyshop near by, closest one is like 2 hours away

i also cant paint for shit lol

[arctic talon]

Oof

I do find it weird how skryre esque the new rat ogres are

It feels odd

But whatever who cares

Rat ogres with one shot flamethrowers

[plush mason]

basically a mini stormfiend

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

"You are being judged. Your sins, your virtues. They will all be used against you.

Any questions?"

"...do you wanna talk about Warhammer 40k?"

"Sent to hell."

[arctic talon]

But the skaven suddenly launching an all out attack via teleporting multiple giant cities is hilarious

[opaque coyote]

Knowing the skaven, half the cities probably teleported into like

Sewers of something

[arctic talon]

Most of them missed the places they were supposed to end up inside

[opaque coyote]

I played Vermintide 2 so I at least know what Skaven are

[arctic talon]

But like

It doesn’t matter

Because millions of angry rats

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Making people die die

Is not an exact science

[arctic talon]

Skaven get a whole lot scarier when there’s thousands of them

And not just like 5

[opaque coyote]

"Just saw a rat kin keep-hold the end of his bargain-pact.

The skaven have down-fallen.

Millions must die-die!"

[opaque coyote]

Are there any good starter books for AoS

[plush mason]

just typical skaven things

[opaque coyote]

Staregyrn

Implores you to share

[plush mason]

the skaven in fantasy literally blew up the moon

[opaque coyote]

How

Did they have a death beam and miss

[snow fern]

The skaven can burrow through dimensions in AoS, this is funny because they ended up burrowing into an ocean of death, and the entire tunnel was now full of zombies and ocean

[arctic talon]

They blew up the moon because another skaven clan moved it

[opaque coyote]

H u h ?

[snow fern]

The moon was made of Warpstone and Ikit wanted it

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Depends, what faction

[opaque coyote]

HUH???

[snow fern]

Ikit Claw is uh, a little silly

[opaque coyote]

I don't really know any lmao

[snow fern]

May not technically be dead in AoS either

[opaque coyote]

I know Chaos exists in AoS

[arctic talon]

One moment

I will

[opaque coyote]

I know Sigmar is actually not an asshole unlike the Emperor

Who is

[snow fern]

Sigmar is pretty chill all things considered

[plush mason]

warpstone is magic crack that makes the skaven better in every way, and Ikit really really wanted a hit

[snow fern]

Yah Morsleib is evil

[plush mason]

it was a green moon with a literal face lol

[snow fern]

Like literally a glowing green moon with a skull lol

[arctic talon]

I would recomend reading one of the AoS core rule books

but I can do you one better @opaque coyote one moment

[opaque coyote]

So basically the fucking

Majora's mask moon but green

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

Evil moon

[opaque coyote]

Nice

[snow fern]

Or Mannimarco if you’re familiar with tes lore

[arctic talon]

do you think some people in AoS believe the mortal realms are Round

[snow fern]

Fantasy Halloween is when Morsleib is closest to the world, and it sucks

[opaque coyote]

That green moon is smiling

[plush mason]

yes

[snow fern]

I’m not gonna pretend to know how to spell fake German

[opaque coyote]

Very omniouslt

It's a shit eating grin

[snow fern]

Geheimneschnat

[opaque coyote]

Thank god it exploded

[snow fern]

Or something

[opaque coyote]

I think I would've done the same tbh

Shit grinning moons are not cool

[plush mason]

well the skaven blew it up to snort it

[opaque coyote]

Stop smiling you fucking satellite

[opaque coyote]

Awesome

Did they manage to get enough warp dust

[snow fern]

And then the lizardmen blew it up further so id didnt destroy the planet

[opaque coyote]

Crack

Etc.

[snow fern]

The end times was a mess

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I heard about it and people usually say it was

Sbot

Shit

[plush mason]

Brenntonia found out their goddess was fake lol

[snow fern]

Tbf I think the connection was implied for a while from what I’ve heard

I mean, they grail knights were still blessed, but by an elf and not their lady

[arctic talon]

that was always implied tbf

But Endtimes still fucking sucked lol

[plush mason]

didnt they kinda just, give up after that or something?

[arctic talon]

sort of

some of them did

others kept on going

we know Haven in canon actually managed to work

[plush mason]

it did the elves real real dirty

[arctic talon]

since the survivors ended up in AoS

[arctic talon]

Maliketh was right all along

hell

[snow fern]

I can’t believe they actually wrote the elves the way they did

[arctic talon]

they literally forgot about Skarsnik

[snow fern]

Or the dwarves

They fucking forgot about skarsnik

From the greens

[arctic talon]

yeah

I'm messing up names

LOL

he survived I guess