40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

do you think trazyn stole a primarch

[storm jungle]

Hes great but the fandom overblows him like hes some badass when he "denies" Slaanesh when the act itself almost kills him and he doesnt realise the ultimate irony of his existence is he still serves slaanesh by the things he does lol

[opaque coyote]

A better ending

[arctic talon]

I'm not even sure why the clonegrim plotline was even made

[arctic talon]

bros heart literally explodes

lol

[crystal forum]

was it a short story

[storm jungle]

his books are absolutely amazing however

[arctic talon]

no

[opaque coyote]

Like fallen Fulgrim vs Clonegrim would've been a cool juxtaposition

[arctic talon]

it wasn't a short story

[storm jungle]

we dont need more primarchs

[opaque coyote]

Fulgrim meeting his old self essentially

[storm jungle]

they should stay fucking dead

[green loom]

It's not like we don't know that Bile can make primarch clones pretty willy nilly

[arctic talon]

I mean clonegrim was literally falling to chaos

also Biles primarch clones usually are failures as far as we know

he's made like 2 proper ones

the rest were all defective

[rose thorn]

its just silly, like hes not even the first character to do it.

[opaque coyote]

yeah, which is why the idea was for Clonegrim to be killed by snek Fulgrim

[rose thorn]

abbadon does it all the time

[opaque coyote]

Instead of just

[green loom]

Of the like 800 biles one will probably be able to make a few

[opaque coyote]

Trazyn'd

[arctic talon]

Bile is fun because he's evil

[storm jungle]

Yeah but still hes great imo, just the fandom doing its thing

[arctic talon]

Like he's really evil

[rose thorn]

yeah

[arctic talon]

and he doesn't give a shit

he's fun

[opaque coyote]

I like Trazyn, but I did not think Clonegrim needed to be put on ice

[crystal forum]

bile and cawl teamup

[storm jungle]

hes like

Jack Horner

but as a doctor

lol

[arctic talon]

also him talking about his funny eugenics program

aka the "new men"

[green loom]

Keep speaking fact Fo

[arctic talon]

also we got confirmation the new men could have kids

so gj Bile

[storm jungle]

not surprised he went with that title

[rose thorn]

idk the 40k fandom is really bad at reading characters lmao

[storm jungle]

being a old european white dude and all

[arctic talon]

he drags Porter around with him everywhere

[storm jungle]

unfortunately

lmao

[arctic talon]

and she's like

weird

[storm jungle]

Porter is so good

[arctic talon]

she has scales

[storm jungle]

absolute hottie

also can punch space marines to death KEK

[arctic talon]

I'm not sure how that happened

[crystal forum]

most people think the emperor was a good character

[arctic talon]

in the genetic fucking lottery

[rose thorn]

most incels uwu

[rose thorn]

whom?

[arctic talon]

But she's the first "new man" baby

[arctic talon]

A child from two of biles "new men"

[rose thorn]

oh

M PREG

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[arctic talon]

though she isn't a child

no

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the fandom paints him as valiantly going against Slaanesh while in reality it's more like

[arctic talon]

the new men aren't all men

LMAO

Its both genders

[opaque coyote]

"You're not real, you're not real, shut up. You're not rea-"

[arctic talon]

though I wouldn't doubt Bile would try to make that a thing

LOL

[opaque coyote]

"lmao look at this loser falling apart at my presence"

[arctic talon]

Either way Porter is intresting

[rose thorn]

bile M preg is now canon

[green loom]

Both genders can get pregnant??

[arctic talon]

I wish the fight scene between her and primus was written better

but whatever

I don't care

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

She is cool

[opaque coyote]

Mpreg Clonegrim

[arctic talon]

Shut

[rose thorn]

yesss

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

GYAAAAAAAAAAAAATT

[opaque coyote]

That's why Trazyn froze him

[crystal forum]

real lore only in this channel

[rose thorn]

now when is egg laying magnus?

[opaque coyote]

They're both gonna become fathers

[green loom]

Considering how weird and fucked up Primarch physiology I'd list that under "feasible"

[arctic talon]

I wonder if we'll get more lore on the New Men

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

because the last time we got new lore from them was like

[storm jungle]

WHY THE FUCK DID THE MODELLERS GIVE MAGNUS A LITTLE CHICKEN TAIL ABOVE HIS ASS OMG

[arctic talon]

the 9e codex/Genefather

[rose thorn]

HAHAAHHAHA

[arctic talon]

which isn't that old but I want more

[crystal forum]

what about the horn nipples

[arctic talon]

those are part of his armor

[storm jungle]

horn nipples are cool

[arctic talon]

tbf

[opaque coyote]

"||Kakyoin|| MAGNUS DID YOU LAY THIS EGG?" - Emperor circa M31

[green loom]

But his armour is part of him, he's a daemon

[crystal forum]

those horn nipples are structural elements

[storm jungle]

rip bozo

[hallow plover]

The Magnussy is for wolves only

[opaque coyote]

knowing Tzeentch, he probably made them actual nipples just for a laugh

[rose thorn]

Edging Abbadon/Horus
Egg laying Magnus
M Preg fulgrim

whats khrone and bile

[green loom]

There are 2 space wolves inside you

[rose thorn]

imean

fuck

uh

uh

stinky boy

[crystal forum]

i have never seen this message

[rose thorn]

sorry Hadron

[arctic talon]

Can you

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

you set a new record

[green loom]

Flashbang

[arctic talon]

seriously though I'm glad GW just has written bile as not giving a shit about making Chaos Primaris lol

Its so funny

how he does not give a single shit about making Primaris and just thinks about how he can use it to improve his existing project

[opaque coyote]

Tbh Bile usually wants to go higher

[rose thorn]

let me send this to my dwarf loving girlfriends

[arctic talon]

Bile doesn't care about making marines

because they can't have kids

[crystal forum]

we need to simmer this chat down with some solar auxilia chicken walkin

[arctic talon]

or form a proper society

[opaque coyote]

...

[rose thorn]

hepl whos the nurgle primarch

i keep thing morbius

[opaque coyote]

Thunder Warriors returning let's goooo

[green loom]

Look at these feudal world guardsmen

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

pls

[arctic talon]

very cool

[rose thorn]

love it!!

[opaque coyote]

nice

[arctic talon]

if you want Thunder Warriors AoS is right there/hj

[crystal forum]

thunder warriors getting folded immediately because they fucking suck

[opaque coyote]

I seriously need to geti nto Warhammer Fantasy

[green loom]

Have you guys

[rose thorn]

morbius is not hte primarch of nurgle

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I want to get into 40k Tabletop but there are two reasons why I don't

[rose thorn]

why cant i remmeber

[green loom]

Seen the post

[opaque coyote]

A) I want to be able to buy food

[opaque coyote]

B) I don't have any friends that are interested

[rose thorn]

I sent that already

[green loom]

Oh right lol

[crystal forum]

german, go away

[green loom]

Now I remember

[rose thorn]

@ everyone who paints

[green loom]

SS camo

[rose thorn]

you can use nazi camos but please dont mention it

[crystal forum]

it's not SS i think

it's fall pattern

[rose thorn]

its a balelr paintjob, theguy is just insane

[crystal forum]

insane as in good at painting?

[rose thorn]

insane as in metnally ill

[green loom]

I'm not convinced it's his paintjob

[crystal forum]

so cool

[rose thorn]

as in nazi

[crystal forum]

give this man 50000 twitter followers

[rose thorn]

tbh porbably

[crystal forum]

tbh a lot of people like that camo

[arctic talon]

wrong war, wrong regiment

[crystal forum]

i dont it looks like ass

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

It's apparently called Erbsenmuster

[crystal forum]

all camo looks like ass

[rose thorn]

also, i tell new players krieg are french

[arctic talon]

you are going to get skinned alive

for saying that

not the french thing

[rose thorn]

i suggest we spread the messaeg of french krieg

[arctic talon]

the camo thing

[rose thorn]

i know

[arctic talon]

Krieg are like

French + German + British with an american gas mask

[crystal forum]

i also dont respect people who unironically enjoy military dress codes

mf that's not clothing it's a fucking walking handbag

[opaque coyote]

I mean the "very mean Germans" look stylish.

...

I am going to hell for saying that

But that's why most evil empires use them as inspiration for clothing

Including 40k

[rose thorn]

so

what teh fuck is the eldar armor based off of

instead of old world

[arctic talon]

do you think it hurts if a tiefling stubs their tail against something

wait wrong chat

[rose thorn]

i know the helmets are old world themed but

mild japanese stuff

[opaque coyote]

Probably

Tbh I have my Tiefling Rogue tie her tail around like a belt

[arctic talon]

The japanese stuff is the back banners

primarily

[opaque coyote]

Similar to the Saiyans in DBZ

[crystal forum]

black leather on its own does not look good

[arctic talon]

for their armor it seems very like

[rose thorn]

which to be fair is like the best part of the asthetic

[arctic talon]

kamen rider almost lol

[crystal forum]

dilara i hope you saw that

[arctic talon]

for the chestplate

[rose thorn]

YEa Its wierd, i love love love kamen rider

i am so so so close

to liking them

[arctic talon]

it gives me those like power rangers/kamen rider vibes

[opaque coyote]

I mean the Eldar seem to be much more anime than the Tau

Which makes me wonder why Tau are called weeaboos since they're more Chinese if anythi-

[arctic talon]

Because

Tau are "new"

And 40k "players" hate "new"

[opaque coyote]

Hatred of Community Stereotypes aside

[rose thorn]

but i really dont wanna green stuff a bunch of scarfs

[arctic talon]

People repeat the same fucking jokes

from 20 years ago

[rose thorn]

yeah

[arctic talon]

I bet you some people

are literally younger then Tau

and they complain tau are too new

[opaque coyote]

The Eldar's Mechas (wraith guards and all of that) are based off of Evangelion

[rose thorn]

isnt admech the third newest army??

the 4th?

[arctic talon]

do we count Cult Legions?

if so then its like

[opaque coyote]

The Tau released (according to Google anyways) in October 2006

[arctic talon]

older

lol

way fucking older

[opaque coyote]

Nvm Google is stupid

2001

[rose thorn]

actually being an army

[arctic talon]

tau came out in 1998

[rose thorn]

yeah tau is older than half of the fan base

[opaque coyote]

GOOGLE YOU PIECE OF SHI

[rose thorn]

over half

[opaque coyote]

Oh damn they're older than me

[rose thorn]

demons is the oldest faction in 40k in and out of lore lmao

but thats a stretch

[arctic talon]

Including Cult Legions: Custodes, Death Guard, World Eaters, Leagues of Votann

Excluding Cult Legions: Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cults, Custodes, Leagues of Votann

[opaque coyote]

Space Demons

Gotta love em

Why do Slaanesh Daemons have crab features tho

[arctic talon]

I'm not including Chaos Knights because they were just reskinned imperial knights

[crystal forum]

because they're cancer

[arctic talon]

Oh wait

FUCK

[rose thorn]

OHHH whops i thought you meant the admech cults

[opaque coyote]

I don't think of crabs when I think of extremes on any level

[arctic talon]

HOW DID I FORGET CUSTODES

LMAO

[rose thorn]

literally they didnt have unique models until wardogs

[arctic talon]

There we go

much better

[opaque coyote]

Custodes

So good they get beaten by random Harlequins.

[rose thorn]

wait custodes is new??

[arctic talon]

bruh

they didn't exist until 8e

lol

[rose thorn]

THEY DIDNT

[arctic talon]

they didn't have proper lore

until 8e

[crystal forum]

they were just lore

[arctic talon]

They didn't even have consistent depictions either

[opaque coyote]

And now we got Custodes that are women

[rose thorn]

i thought they wer ealto older lmao

[arctic talon]

I mean

that was planned with the original release wave

but all the face sculpts were guys

[crystal forum]

how dare they change something about the faction that matters the least in 40k

[arctic talon]

this is still the case which is annoying

but Idrc at all

[opaque coyote]

Which is why the Harlequins beat them in the first place.

The writer didn't really know how strong they were.

Honestly the biggest gripe is that they decided to fight the Custodes to literally just send a message. Which is weird.

[arctic talon]

war of the beast

fucking sucks

[crystal forum]

send a message to whom

[arctic talon]

let us ignore it

The Imperium

that Chaos is still the biggest threat

[crystal forum]

the imperium only knows that custodes win

[arctic talon]

War of the beast is a fucking abortion of a novel series

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's the stupid part.

[arctic talon]

and never should have been written in the first place

[crystal forum]

is the beast really that bad?

[arctic talon]

stop talking about anything from it

YES ITS SO BAD

LOL

it is genuinely

some of the worst books I have ever read

[opaque coyote]

I do like it for trying some new ideas.

But in general, yeah it's pretty bad

[rose thorn]

yes

[arctic talon]

new ideas

such as uhhhh

uhhhhh

[green loom]

Aren't there like a ton of heresy era chars still around for like no reason

[opaque coyote]

Like I like it for making the Orks the main threat

For once

[arctic talon]

That isn't new

[green loom]

Yeah Orks get to fuck around all the time

[crystal forum]

you're saying the book that claims armageddon actually is another planet from another location is a bad series

[arctic talon]

I would rather them have just not written it

it genuinely makes everyone in it look terrible

[opaque coyote]

True

[arctic talon]

And then there were like

8 beasts

and then they all died

to deathwatch killteams

[opaque coyote]

It is a very weird and bad book

[rose thorn]

litearlly the orks are used as the main threat in over half of the 40k books

[arctic talon]

and the assasinrum

its not a single book

ITS MULTIPLE FUCKING BOOKS

I READ ALL OF THEM

[opaque coyote]

Usually they're more like a prelude tho

[arctic talon]

THEY ALL SUCK

NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS A REDEEMING QUALITY

okay I got that out of my system

[opaque coyote]

Calm down it's paper

[arctic talon]

its paper that could have been used for something else

smh

[opaque coyote]

Feed it to your local mutant

Basement mutant eats mah trash

[arctic talon]

the only good part is uh uh

[rose thorn]

sadly it will neveer be as bad as

this

[arctic talon]

how they accidently retcon'd multiple things into being found earlier lore wise

[rose thorn]

this is the worst warhamemr content ever made

[arctic talon]

Nick Kyme

its jover

[opaque coyote]

The ridiculous scenario of a second moon suddenly appearing?

[rose thorn]

yea

[crystal forum]

wtf does imprecations mean

[arctic talon]

sure lets go with that

[rose thorn]

i can tell you every single thing wrong witht his book

or i can tell you the biggest thing

wrong with thi sbook

[arctic talon]

One of my friends found the whole human cattle thing hot and I'm concerned about her mental health

[rose thorn]

i mean audiodrama

[crystal forum]

sounds interesting

[arctic talon]

its a nick kyme book so

[opaque coyote]

I don't know anything about Warhammer fantasy and I will most likely be confused.

Go for it.

[arctic talon]

my expectations are already beneath the ground

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Age of Sigmar 🤓 not warhammer fantasy

okay sorry

I had to

[rose thorn]

age of sigmar is one of the best settings ever made

this audiodrama is

so bad

[opaque coyote]

What the fuck is the difference even

[rose thorn]

age of sigmar is good

[opaque coyote]

[rose thorn]

fantasy has R||ape|| as a major plot point

[arctic talon]

Age of Sigmar happens after Warhammer Fantasy fucking explodes

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[rose thorn]

becuase fantasy sucks

[opaque coyote]

Joy

[arctic talon]

its also generally speaking higher fantasy

[rose thorn]

and does nothing good

[arctic talon]

Warhammer Fantasy isn't that bad

smh

[crystal forum]

"soft" reboot

[arctic talon]

don't insult it that much

[opaque coyote]

I like higher fantasy

[rose thorn]

except when its not

[arctic talon]

I think its got some cool stuff in it

[rose thorn]

yeah but all the cool stuff is in aos

[arctic talon]

either way WHFB as a game system

fucking sucked

so it just withered

slowly and then GW blew it up with some really bad books

[arctic talon]

I'm going to beat you to death with a pewter tomb king smh

[opaque coyote]

So the usual?

[arctic talon]

no

[rose thorn]

literally jsut play ossiarch bone reapers

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

[arctic talon]

beacuse when GW blew up cadia the books were good

[rose thorn]

they are so much ebtter

[arctic talon]

No

they're differently themed

I really like Ossiarchs

but the themeing is different

[rose thorn]

then jsut being egypitan stereotypes

[arctic talon]

They literally forgot, about a major character

and they never showed up

💀

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Skarsnik was such a sneaky git

he didn't die

[rose thorn]

i hate bretonnians and i hate tomb kings, the only thing i like in tombkings are in aos

[arctic talon]

or get mentioned

wood elves in WHFB are just Wanderers in AoS

[rose thorn]

beloved beloved old bones

[arctic talon]

most factions in WHFB have like

a vague equivelent or an actual one

[rose thorn]

wanderers are better because htey are deers now

[arctic talon]

Thats only some of them

smh

[opaque coyote]

"I just saw a Chaplain reassure a battle brother about his doubts instead of harvesting his Geneseed and then executing him."

"The chapter has fallen. Thousands must go on a penitent crusade."

[rose thorn]

they retconned it, now its all of them

[arctic talon]

oh

[green loom]

I love how they build up Slaughter Koorland, then do a rug pull and kill him, and then do another rugpul and kill all the dudes that killed him unceremoniously

[arctic talon]

are they all kuronathi now?

intresting

[rose thorn]

it was confirmed in the new cities book

[arctic talon]

huh

[rose thorn]

no those are different

[arctic talon]

Fucks sake

so wanderers are all elves with deer like stuff?

[opaque coyote]

I have no idea what's going on in this fonger

[rose thorn]

yea

[green loom]

Wait when'd this model come out

[opaque coyote]

What how did that

[rose thorn]

cursed city

[opaque coyote]

Okay

[green loom]

Oh F

[arctic talon]

she's cursed city so she's cursed to never be bought again

[opaque coyote]

*I have no idea what is happening in this conversation

There we go

[green loom]

You'll learn

[arctic talon]

Wanderers are less racist then wood elves

[rose thorn]

in 4 years she will be used as a generic character in cities...

[arctic talon]

by an order of magnitude

I wouldn't mind wanderer representation

[rose thorn]

and sylvaneth are more racist then wood elves!

[green loom]

Bold of you to assume they'll let wanderers exist

[arctic talon]

mfw the 2 wood elf factions go in seperate directions

[arctic talon]

they still do in lore

GW just nuked their rules

[opaque coyote]

And Thalmor ar-

Wait wrong franchise

[green loom]

So do beastmen

[arctic talon]

no beastmen actually got genocided

in lore

LOL

like they straight up got exterminated enmass by Chaos, Skaven and Order

[green loom]

What like after their newer lore?

[rose thorn]

the pheonix elves and wood elves said they will come back, pheonix elves are busy and litearlly all got called back to the amber city

[arctic talon]

in the transition between 3e to 4e yeah

[opaque coyote]

What do the beast men look like

Lemme check actually

[rose thorn]

they will probably come back next ediiton tbh

[arctic talon]

they will

[green loom]

The Amber City is dead isn't it lol

[arctic talon]

goat people

[rose thorn]

no, it just freezes over in amber eveyr few years

[opaque coyote]

Oh they look pretty cool

[green loom]

Like whatsherface destroyed it

[rose thorn]

phenicum?

[arctic talon]

No thats a different one

[rose thorn]

fuck

[arctic talon]

the phonecium is different

[rose thorn]

idk hwo to spell it

yeah thats what i was refering to

wiat

is there 2 cities caleld the amber city?

[arctic talon]

yeah the phoneicum got blown up

[green loom]

It has the amber thing protecting it

Which is what Ms chaos lady bypasses

[arctic talon]

yeah its gone

there were a lot of survivors though

but the city is rubble and ruin

[rose thorn]

the cities book said all the pheonix evles went back there when did it blow up??

[arctic talon]

end of 3e stuff

[green loom]

Who all left to die in battle

[rose thorn]

oh

AHAHAHAHA

wow

[green loom]

Dawnbringers

[arctic talon]

Either way

theres prolly some survivors

we know there were survivors from the city

[rose thorn]

'all pheonix elves return to the city there is an emergency'

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

wood elves are currently just being scouts fo the dawn bringer bth

last time i checked

[arctic talon]

yeah

wanderers are doing what wanderers do

[rose thorn]

yeah

good for the

,

[arctic talon]

I'm still surprised GW nuked like

[rose thorn]

i hope they come back

[arctic talon]

most of the phoenix elves

like lol

[rose thorn]

them and phoenix are main faction sin old world

so all the old world factions must die

ogors are most msot most likely getting a line refresh this edition

since they are still old world models

[arctic talon]

okay but they didn't nuke the wanderers from existence lore wise

they just nuked their rules

[rose thorn]

yeah idk why

also i hope we get new pirate elves tbh

[arctic talon]

The ur-phoenix cult genuinely might be extinct lol

[green loom]

they returned, Abraxia flew over them and blew up the city

Chomped a bit of the ur phoenix

[rose thorn]

good news is

they are pheonixes

[green loom]

Because she's turning into one of them ghouls

[rose thorn]

hahdbabhagasfad

[rose thorn]

too many rads...

[green loom]

I think some Lumineth got away with a bit of it actually

Probably planting the seeds to being them back properly

[arctic talon]

either way

GW hasn't nuked any of the Cities of Sigmar like

subfactions? factions? idfk what to call them

out of existence lore wise ever

I'd assume the Phoenix Temple isn't dead

[rose thorn]

wierd that only dark elves are left in cities

we will probably get reguar evles back sometime

[arctic talon]

tbh

I think they're just all "city elves"

[crystal forum]

wtf is your pfp

i dont get it

EXPLAIN

[arctic talon]

I don't think the dark elves in the Cities are like

actually like Old world dark elves

[rose thorn]

pirate elves are pretty major thing lore wise in cities

and then the executioners riders shard and waht ever what ever

make up a third of the range

and dark aleves covens are really importnat too

there was a city that you can only use dark aelves back in 2.5 cities

[arctic talon]

aren't they also like

really xenophobic lol

tbh more then anything I expect GW to kill the difference between Dark and normal elfs for city elfs

at some point when they update elves for Cities

[rose thorn]

i love the pirates

they are wonderful and are very important in my custom city

also their models dont look like hot ass

[arctic talon]

GW please update the Elf and Dwarf parts of cities

please

[crystal forum]

no

i wont

[arctic talon]

You aren’t GW smh

[crystal forum]

my dad works at GW

[shell mason]

Yo nerds

[arctic talon]

what

[shell mason]

Tell your dad's to send me a veteran kill team set

I'll pay handsomely

[crystal forum]

no

[rose thorn]

the duardin models are the end time ones, they arent bad

but we might get new duardin

considiering old owrld uses the cities models

[rose thorn]

oh yeah alaso about cursed city, its unironically the best way to start soulblight

[arctic talon]

they aren't bad but I want more ngl

[rose thorn]

honeslty they fill every roll they need to besides artillery

you have a few heroes

a few good melee units

a few good ranged units

and some really fun war machines

also i doubtthey are goiny anywhere since their unit of renown

[opaque coyote]

Why haven't we gotten a 40k battlefront style game

It'd be so cool

Imagine summoning a space marine as a champion

[rose thorn]

we did

it was

really abd

[opaque coyote]

Which one

[rose thorn]

eteranl cruasde

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[rose thorn]

it was baaaaaaaaaaad

[opaque coyote]

Why does 40k have like the worst luck in games

I think the only good ones are Darktide and Space Marine

[rose thorn]

and bolt gun

because you eitehr please the fans or you please the gamers

[arctic talon]

GW had a period where they gave the license to whoever

they stopped doing that

[rose thorn]

yea that too

[opaque coyote]

Also the last Xenos POV game was

Fire Warrior I think

[arctic talon]

Speedfreaks

[opaque coyote]

It was a cool idea

Too bad it kinda sucked

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah.

[arctic talon]

also

battlefleet gothic armada 2

Nids and Necrons have a campaign

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I need to try out battle fleet gothic

[arctic talon]

its

weird

[opaque coyote]

Ironically I think the best thing about Fire Warrior was the book about it.

[arctic talon]

the AI also really sucks at playing Eldar and Nids

[opaque coyote]

Mainly because the protagonist is basically just being

"WHY AM I STILL ALIVE??"

"HOLY SHIT IS THAT A GIANT GUVESA? WHY DOES HE HAVE SPIKES?"

"WHY DO I HEAR LAUGHING AND BANGING ON A THRONE???"

Also despite being Khorne's plaything for a bit

Kai actually got a rare thing in 40k

A good ending

[arctic talon]

doesn't he literally end up

in a mental asylum

[crystal forum]

bruh they still do

[arctic talon]

the mobile trash we get now is much better

then it used to be

[crystal forum]

i genuinely dont get why anybody games on their phone

[rose thorn]

plants vs zombies heroes is amazing

[opaque coyote]

Ambiguous.

There is a reference to him in Dark Crusade with a similarly named unit, but the discrepancy in dates proves otherwise.

But then again, being in a mental asylum is better than

A lot of fates in 40k

[arctic talon]

Tbf

By Tau standards it kind of sucks

But like meh

Could be worse

Could be sent to a re-education camp

[opaque coyote]

Since the dev commentary said that the Kais in dark crusade is supposed to be a direct reference to the one in Fire Warrior.

I'm just gonna say he is

Because HC

But yeah canonically, mental asylum

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Maybe he got better

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Then again aren't Tau shorter lived than

Even regular people

[arctic talon]

Maybe he got shoved in cryosleep

[opaque coyote]

True

[arctic talon]

Generally yeah

It’s why puretides students excluding farsight are still alive

They get kept on ice

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Tau kinda suck biology wise.

[arctic talon]

I mean

They got good eyes and endurance

Not great in terms of hand eye coordination though

[opaque coyote]

True

But their reaction time is slower than an average humans

[arctic talon]

And it’s not like they’re physically weak either

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I think that’s a thing people forget about tau they suck at melee because of reaction and like

[opaque coyote]

They can certainly kill a guardsman in melee.

And their gear is generally better

[arctic talon]

Hand eye coordination

If you get punched in the face by a fire warrior

That shit is going to hurt

[opaque coyote]

Like people forget that the fire warriors basically wear mini PA

It's not as good as the Space Marines or even SoB stuff but it's certainly much better than Flak

[arctic talon]

I know it’s powered but isn’t it more similar to powered carapace

Sorta like what some lower ranking tech priests and what skitarii wear

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true

I would argue the Lasgun is better than the Pulse Rifle

Not in terms of actual effectiveness

[arctic talon]

Logistics

[opaque coyote]

Yup

It's Gulliman's dream

You can literally just make a fire and put a couple of magazines above it

And wow look, it's recharged

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if for the DAoT, the Lasgun was basically equivalent to a hunting rifle

[arctic talon]

It prolly was

[opaque coyote]

Like they gave their colonists equivalent to a hunting rifle because they didn't need to give them actual military gear

But then as Slaanesh appeared, AI went crazy, yadayadayada

[crystal forum]

lasgun isn't even high tech by 40k standards so definitely

[opaque coyote]

The Lasgun became the main weapon

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[crystal forum]

i'd be surprised if humans fought... at all during the dark age

[arctic talon]

Lasguns are very effective

[opaque coyote]

They probably did

[crystal forum]

like they could have just let men of iron do all the work

[arctic talon]

Against the stuff you have to like

Shoot generally lol

[crystal forum]

or any sort of remote robots

[arctic talon]

On the otherhand it sucks against stuff like

Literally anything else

[opaque coyote]

It's just that the enemies are fucking Eldritch abominations

Hell, in Darktide, the Lasgun is very effective

[arctic talon]

Shit like poxwalkers and other humans are the intended target

[opaque coyote]

Since we mainly fight random cultists

[crystal forum]

lasgun is intended to be used in large masses anyways

[opaque coyote]

Like I said. Hunting rifle

You use it to shoot deer

Not shoot a bear

[arctic talon]

Las weaponry stops being as effective into carapace

But you can kill the guy inside anyways

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

The good old a thousand lasguns quote

[crystal forum]

everything astra militarum related except for specialist stuff is for large scale

it's not space marine stuff

[arctic talon]

A legionary who does not fear a lasgun has not charged at thousands

[opaque coyote]

Also I think Plasma guns are stronger than Pulse?

It's just far more dangerous

[arctic talon]

I’m paraphrasing

[arctic talon]

They are

The tau equivalent to plasma is ion for unstable incredibly high power weaponry

[opaque coyote]

Even then it's safer

[arctic talon]

While tau plasma weapons are treated more like autocannons

Because the tau aren’t based and didn’t make overcharging a feature on plasma

[opaque coyote]

I wish Volkite weapons appeared more.

IK they are really rare

But I gotta admit, they are very, very cool

[crystal forum]

if i dont risk the chance of exploding when shooting a gun then why bother

[arctic talon]

Volkite aren’t super rare for the mechanicus

They’re just rare

[opaque coyote]

Mechanicus moment

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus only

No imperials allowed

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

If we ever get a skitarii or whatever class

Might as well add Volkite

I mean if we get thunder hammers, power swords, bolters.

Might as well go one step fuether

[arctic talon]

Skitarii archetype would be funny

Though might have a lot of overlap with vet

Might be better to go with a low level priest

[opaque coyote]

Honestly there are two things I want

1. A space marine game where you play as an Iron Hand. Maybe DLC.

2. Being able to play as Chaos in a game

That isn't an rts

Khornate moment

[arctic talon]

You can play as chaos in SM2

In multiplayer

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah

Can't wait for SM2

The original was fun

I hope it doesn't fuck up my computer

It already struggles a bit running darktide

[plush mason]

a little over a month left

[arctic talon]

Darktide tbf

Is kind of a heavy game performance wise

[opaque coyote]

Also I want Rotor Cannons for Ogyrns

Don't tell me this wouldn't be cool

It's a fucking minigun

Actually since it's only used by voidsmen. Maybe it should be for the Veteran since that's the closest thing?

Eh whatever

[crystal forum]

autocannons my beloved

[shell barn]

So like. It could be the one gun that Bardin uses in Vermintide? That’s the vibe I get at least

[dusk patrol]

It’s a voidsman weapon now

Not used much in the guard or what not since the heresy era

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[dusk patrol]

Also probably too complex and fragile for a Ogryn

Compared to heavy bolters and the like

[opaque coyote]

True.

Again, maybe it should be for the Guardsman

[opaque coyote]

Also, Heavy Bolters are basically used as General Machine Guns. Used in the Guard

So why are they treated rougher compared to like

Astartes Bolters which apparently are venerated

[dusk patrol]

Wouldn’t be shocked if some could, voidsmen tend to get better gear is the main thing

[queen laurel]

but ogryns in darktide are smarter than average like it woundn't suprise me if they can use it

[dusk patrol]

Ogryns in Darktide are basically gameplay mechanics being real

[opaque coyote]

I mean

Our hub is a Rogue Trader's spaceship.

Maybe they do have some rotor cannons lying around

Also a Minigun is just

Awesome

[dusk patrol]

Maybe, I’d expect a heavy bolter or autocannon first for Ogryn

Rotor cannon idk, maybe one day but it’s a very uncommon weapon and there’s still plenty to add

That voidsmen squad is the only case I can think of it showing up besides the heresy in recent lore

[queen laurel]

yeah and we have the stubber another heavy rapid firing weapon is annoying

[opaque coyote]

Auto cannon sounds plausible for sure

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[opaque coyote]

Also might as well add some weird uncommon weapons in.

Rather than Lasgun Variant #2842

For gameplay mainly

I'm not expecting Grav or Volkite tho

[dusk patrol]

Maybe but there’s a lot more actually common weapons which GW remembers and would care about first

[opaque coyote]

Meltagun moment

[dusk patrol]

I’d expect grav or volkite before a rotor cannon

[opaque coyote]

Remember when the Mechanicus vox trailer came out for Darktide

And everybody was hyped for it being a Meltagun

[dusk patrol]

If we ever get a Ad Mech character grav is extremely likely I think

[opaque coyote]

Only for Obese Shark to be like

"Guys it's a plasma gun calm down"

[dusk patrol]

Melta idk we’ll see

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the problem is how exactly to add one. Since yk, even the skitariis are generally higher than rejects sre

[dusk patrol]

It’s one of those guns which is kinda hard to find a place

[dusk patrol]

It’s not that hard

It’s less goofy than all the psykers we have running around

[queen laurel]

Give ogryn a stub cannon to have them a pistol

[dusk patrol]

Very powerful combat psykers no less

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough.

I did think about a Gun Servitor class, but there wouldn't be any fun dialogue

[queen laurel]

It's a very easy gun to make because it's on the stub category

[dusk patrol]

That would be fun

[queen laurel]

And it's a revolver which is not that hard to reload

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being some random cultist and then suddenly seeing some gigantic ogyrn wielding it like a pistol

[queen laurel]

It is quite literally a big iron on his hip

[opaque coyote]

Imagine it being a break open "revolver"

Ogyrn just jams the bullets in

Slams it back

Starts shooting

[dusk patrol]

The main issue would be how it is different from the current breech shotgun

[opaque coyote]

Actually

Idea

Laslock

[queen laurel]

wouldn't a stub cannon fall in this handgun category

[opaque coyote]

Ah yes

Ogyrn Revolver meta

I just realized the skin potential for Darktide.

Imagine if Drach'nyen was a Power Sword skin. That would piss off a lot of people

[celest dome]

Ogtyn has a datamined Rumbler variant that just fire a slug. So I think that will be the closest to a Revolver for the Pgryn

[fallen plaza]

I dunno that seems redundant to me

The kickback already kinda fills that role

[celest dome]

It's a variant

So it's not like it's more work for animator and modellers.

[fallen plaza]

Im more talking about its role

[celest dome]

What role does the Gorgonun Stubber fill that the Achlys doesn't

[dusk patrol]

Well it used to be higher damage per shot but meta shifts happen

[celest dome]

Thing remain that saying that it's redundant is kinda dumb, are the various shotgun redundant to each other

[storm jungle]

Thats because this playerbase cannot understand anything regarding weapons and how they function or compliment each other.

or how some weapons are "bad" because they just dont insta-kill something

[dusk patrol]

Also this game mostly isn't really that hard and things which are suboptimal can still work fine.

Just like Vermintide.

There's a difference between builds which feel good and work well and the most optimal OP bestest combo ever.

Some weapons and variants have definitely been left in the cold a bit but mostly they've made it so most are viable or decent

[opaque coyote]

Why Lasgun no kill mauler instantly

Lasgun bad

[opaque coyote]

The Bolter is fun

Really wish the iron sights didn't fucking suck.

No wonder the Marines just use their helmets as a targeting system and hipfire

[dusk patrol]

Unforuntately this isn't Call of Duty

So sights are impossible

[opaque coyote]

Seriously that response was bs

[dusk patrol]

Pretty great example of why the CM team was hilariously bad at launch.

[opaque coyote]

IDC if Hadron soils her robes with oil and screams at me for tech heresy

Let me attach a red dot sight on my bolter.

[celest dome]

That response was taken out of context

[storm jungle]

It really wasnt lol, Hedge just didnt really use the right wording for it

also like, she wasnt really wrong either

[celest dome]

It's not 'this is not CoD thus we're not doing attachement

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

It wasn't the only example around that time of pretty bad PR ability tbh so either way.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it was more like

"We're not doing a full on system so that you can transform your bolter into a bullpup carbine"

[storm jungle]

Again not really.

[opaque coyote]

I have an awful idea

Sawed off Bolter

It just fucking explodes in your hands

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

I'm not gonna get into the weeds over this especially on this discord but there was clear examples imo of some very poor CM communication and snarkiness which isn't good for anyone, Helldivers 2 had a similar issue recently with it.

Which hey, you can do that, but there's consequences which come with communicating like that.

[storm jungle]

Im very much gonna get into it because knowing Hedge as much as I have since Vermintide 2 she really didnt deserve that kind of treatment considering shes not some secret sneering asshole people think she is

[dusk patrol]

I like a lot of the CMs, doesn't mean there wasn't some issues which were addressed.

[opaque coyote]

If there is one thing I do truly appreciate about Darktide

It's the gore system.

I saw a mauler attack me with his skull exposed.

It was actually kind of terrifying

[storm jungle]

She definitely could have worded her statements better but the mocking of it has definitely been just a dead horse at this point.

[storm jungle]

also the HD2 fandom deserved it tbh

[dusk patrol]

I don't think she is, I also think that you have to be very careful as a CM and not give reponses like that because of that.

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Basically attachement would be great, but they are so unequal.
Like some weapon benefit from it, but other...

[storm jungle]

Well yeah your job is to be a human shield

[dusk patrol]

You're a PR robot and that's the best way to do it imo.

[storm jungle]

its why you tell your playerbase non-answers

[opaque coyote]

Tbf, Warhammer is the best at beating dead horses so badly

It becomes a skeleton

[dusk patrol]

Especially when stuff is kinda rough

[opaque coyote]

The fandom is like the Imperium

Stagnant, barely improving, archaic, and decaying and growing at the same time.

[dusk patrol]

I don't think they're bad people or anything but PR training and canned reponses exist for a reason, a lot of times no communication is better than being snarky or giving people ammo.

[storm jungle]

Well they do that too.

And people still complain

[celest dome]

No crafting -> still accurate as the question was pertaining to whether or not our character would be able to manufacture weapons (lore stand point)

[opaque coyote]

Basically

It's better to act like an NPC than to actually give them a piece of your mind.

Because usually they will bulgeon you with it

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[dusk patrol]

People will always complain, it was definitely the wrong choice to respond that way back then especially for the company. There's a reason FS and Arrowhead both have changed how they do stuff like that since.

[storm jungle]

Helldivers 2 has shown your game could be great and yoru fanbase will still turn against you.

its the same thing anywhere and everywhere

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I still have no idea how HD2 runs even worse than Darktide on my computer

[storm jungle]

because they dont fix the game

they just slap updates and updates

it becomes extremely unstable

[dusk patrol]

Helldivers 2 devs also have made some very dumb choices with the game imo, which doesn't warrant the responses it does but they've shot themselves in the foot for sure with how they support the game.

[opaque coyote]

So basically

"why games should actually optimize"

[storm jungle]

The problem with the game is essentially they blew their load way too early.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why you cant say anything about this game anywhere lol

[dusk patrol]

The game was never gonna maintain its crazy numbers but I know my interest definitely wanned when they kept balancing stuff so goofy.

[storm jungle]

"no its good you just suck"

People ridiculed their dumb response to it too

[dusk patrol]

Its gotten better but it took a long time.

[storm jungle]

"your guns get nerfed so you rely on stratagems more"

[dusk patrol]

As they should tbh

It was some really dumb responses.

[storm jungle]

they say this like people use any of the other stratagems that arent meta anyway

[celest dome]

@storm jungle Isn't Hedge a dude ?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I just hope the Itemization update is gonna be good considering the current system reminds me of Genshin's artifact system.

Which is also hell, but at least it has methods to make it easier

[storm jungle]

oh right whoops mixed it with strawhat

[dusk patrol]

Well also when you have like 6 bile titans and your strategem can half kill one and its on a 4 minute cooldown.

[opaque coyote]

I shouldn't be able to compare a paid game's system to a F2P gacha game

[storm jungle]

if it helps we as the testers are making clear everything we hate/like about it

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

A lot has been fixed

[opaque coyote]

Thank you mate

[celest dome]

Aqshy, Catfish, Strawhat are women
Hedge and Quickpaw are dude iirc (Not sure for QP

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

But yeah it was a rough launch and they paid for it with their fanbase which they probably could have kept more of.

[storm jungle]

Its not just me but yeah, its essentially down to how fatshark is gonna take the feedback and implement it. ıf not this is gonna be another Winds of Magic disaster

As for the weapon mods Its pretty obvious weapon modification was gonna be a thing since theres an entire system for it in place, but it probably got scrapped last minute for some reason or another, I wouldnt exactly be surprised if GW was behind it tbh

[dusk patrol]

Considering how much was clearly scrapped

I'm more inclined to think it just didn't work and they had to scale back stuff.

Like the entire skill tree thing.

Which they added later.

[storm jungle]

The skill tree thing was implemented but rushed and incomplete.

the weapon mod thing is very much seemingly done.

it seems to have just been entirely removed.

[opaque coyote]

GW seeing people having fun:

[dusk patrol]

Cause GW has always been pretty gung ho for attachments and shit for guns.

[storm jungle]

I mean kind of

theres a reason 95% of tabletop weapons dont have attachments

darktide has also invented a lot of new ones

everything in this game also goes through them first

[dusk patrol]

And in stuff like the RPGs and other games we've had a lot of examples.

[storm jungle]

yeah but theres a difference between that and a very highly detailed in your face model

[dusk patrol]

It seems much more likely to me the system wasn't gonna be done so its been put on the backburner

Maybe to come back but who knows

The skill trees and crafting matter a lot more.

[storm jungle]

Its hard to tell since it can be either, im under NDA so unfortunately i cant tell much

[dusk patrol]

And they didn't have those anywhere near done at launch.

[storm jungle]

just never forget GW still has its fingers deep in this game's ass

like ridiculously so

lol

[dusk patrol]

Just being real, maybe they're the source of the issues but FS doesn't have a good track record with releasing finished games recently, I love their stuff but theres a very likely and simple explanation, and thats just they didn't finish it in time.

[celest dome]

Recently

[dusk patrol]

Same as VT2 where it took a year for the game to be really good.

[storm jungle]

I mean you can be real, but ive seen a lot of things in the background as a tester so its not just fatshark's fault as much as people like to think it is.

[dusk patrol]

I say that cause VT1 released pretty good.

[storm jungle]

🤐

[dusk patrol]

VT2 though was....

Something

[celest dome]

VT1 had similar problems at launch

[storm jungle]

its very clearly they got some stupid people in the studio that rushes these games out half baked

[dusk patrol]

It wasn't perfect but DT and VT2 were much worse at launch.

Regardless its a classic formula at this stage.

[storm jungle]

the fact that darktide still kept a good amount of players just through its gameplay on launch before the skill-tree update says a lot ngl

[dusk patrol]

Love their games, they're not gonna be really good until a year later.

[storm jungle]

most games would just instantly die ala Payday 3

[dusk patrol]

They have good bones and a good system.

[opaque coyote]

Fatshark releasing a complete game on launch challenge (impossible)

[dusk patrol]

They need to let them cook longer but whatever.

[storm jungle]

also like Darktide is still the best 40k game ive played

SM2 will prob come close but we'll see

[dusk patrol]

Not exactly the highest bar to clear.

But I do love it.

[opaque coyote]

It's fun to slice heretics

It's fun to watch them fucking explode into red paste

[storm jungle]

Well it semi-is a bit

[opaque coyote]

It feels good

[storm jungle]

Dawn of War moment

[opaque coyote]

It is good

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

SM2 will hopefully give us more narrative driven big games.

We'll see.

I'd say Rogue Trader is probably my favorite currently.

[opaque coyote]

Welcome to the Dawn of War tutorial. By listening to me and reading the text that appears in this message box, you will learn how to play a skirmish g-

[dusk patrol]

Darktide closely behind.

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Rogue Trader also had serious launch issues

And still does

[storm jungle]

with rogue trader i cant blame it too much because theres SO MUCH SHIT in the game to accoutn for.

[opaque coyote]

Rogue Trader is on my wishlist

I wish to play it. It looks fun

[storm jungle]

its great

[dusk patrol]

Its what I expect from Owlcat, idk if I'd say its acceptable with how unplayable the end could be at launch.

[storm jungle]

if you cant bother with learning the game just play it for the plot

[dusk patrol]

But its much better now.

[storm jungle]

Honestly i had the same thing i did with CP2077

Everyone was saying it was bguged to hell

but i just finished it with no issues

lol

im legit cursed

[shadow plover]

40 hours in and still at the fucking space station

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

I had a couple different game ending bugs which were super annoying.

[shadow plover]

Haven't played in months

[opaque coyote]

Cyberpunk 2077 is really fun now.

The shit you can do

[dusk patrol]

Also some bugs which fucked up story moments.

Cyberpunk is great yeah

RT I'm waiting to replay until both dlcs are out.

[queen laurel]

It helps that the developers on the game didn't give up on it

[dusk patrol]

that's kinda the bare minimum for me though.

[shadow plover]

I've tried Cyberpunk three times now and I just can't keep myself interested in it. The gameplay isn't engaging enough and the story does nothing for me

[dusk patrol]

Like yeah, finish the game you're asking people to pay for.

[opaque coyote]

I honestly think the launch wouldn't have been that bad

...if they didn't release it on PS4 and Xbox One

[storm jungle]

Rogue trader is also like

[dusk patrol]

The start is rough for me.

[storm jungle]

"DUDE THIS GAME IS SO BUGGED IM FUCKING DONE"

"But wait we are at Footfall!"

I turn around just as the soundtrack drops that beat

https://youtu.be/AFQa9ts-H-E?t=43

[dusk patrol]

Takes awhile for me to like it.

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

I wish there was a "skip Jackie" button

[opaque coyote]

It helps that Edgerunners was a good anime that managed to bring a good chunk of people back

[shadow plover]

I'm way beyond Jackie stuff by now but still pretty bored

[dusk patrol]

That was definitely a big thing for them

[opaque coyote]

A bit too fast paced for me

[storm jungle]

unlike the chunks of Rebecca

eyooooo

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-youre-ruining-our-moment-here-smash-gif-26854687

[opaque coyote]

"I'm Adam smasher and it's smashing time"

• A very real quote trust me

[dusk patrol]

Never gets old

[shadow plover]

Like the last mission I did was with the truck lesbian who had me shoot down that one airship

[storm jungle]

"NONE LEAVE THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE"

[dusk patrol]

He prefers show don't tell.

[storm jungle]

Panam is best nam

[shadow plover]

Yes

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-panam-palmer-campfire-sitting-around-the-fire-sit-gif-24904617

[dusk patrol]

Trust me

[storm jungle]

dont "yes" me punk

[dusk patrol]

She aint a lesbian.

[storm jungle]

you will respect her

[dusk patrol]

[queen laurel]

the fact that the grav gear was supposed to be for him

thank goodness it got broken

[shadow plover]

Never disrespected her what the hell

[storm jungle]

I felt like you did

mods kill this guy

get him

[shadow plover]

Soon I will disrespect you

[storm jungle]

AAA-

[dusk patrol]

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[queen laurel]

i'm going to pick up your models and throw them in a bucket of paint

[shadow plover]

Mean

[storm jungle]

also i think my favorite part with this game

when the characters turn you down for romance

you legit feel second hand embarrassment

lol

idk how they managed that i legit wanted to crawl into a hole

[shadow plover]

Second hand embarrassment is awful, how is that your favourite part

[storm jungle]

I MEANT AS IN ITS DONE WELL

its not even like Baldurs Gate where its just