40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Bounty Hunter is great

[rose thorn]

i use to hate grave robebr but now i love her

[rose thorn]

mofo gets paid in candles

[arctic talon]

all she needed was that hairstyle change lol

[storm jungle]

grave robber is a peak WHF/AOS character

honestly the entire cast is

lol

[rose thorn]

i totally didnt accidentally use her as a witch hunter in my aos cmapagin haha

[arctic talon]

Grave Robber Poisoning your abusive husband minigame

still goes crazy lol

[storm jungle]

LOL nice

[arctic talon]

also prolly the third hardest shrine fight in the game lol

Jester's musical note one and the Vestals keeping the fire lit one is worse

[rose thorn]

honeslty i love the jester one

its so hard

[arctic talon]

its really fun

[rose thorn]

so the idea that the jester kept trying over and over again

[storm jungle]

also hold up guys i gotta listen to Town In Chaos for the 1039405th time again

https://youtu.be/Ma-WJUidpRU?t=111

[rose thorn]

thne beat the guy once

||and he fucking dies and holds an eternal undead rivalry with him||

[storm jungle]

lovers even in death

I MEAN frenemies

[arctic talon]

Squiffy Ghast

lol

[storm jungle]

squiffy is up there wit hlike

buboe

as such a fucking bizarre word

[arctic talon]

mfw one of the biggest threats in the game is just a bunch of really fucking angry bandits

the indomitable human will to make the situation worse

[rose thorn]

i imagine jester doesnt even remember the guy

[storm jungle]

its peak reason why i love Low Fantasy™️ sometimes

[rose thorn]

its all one sided

[storm jungle]

he is pretty gay

honk honk

[rose thorn]

fair

honk honk

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

ngl

[rose thorn]

NOOOOOO

[arctic talon]

is darkest dungeon even low fantasy

[storm jungle]

yes

it is imo

[arctic talon]

okay but there's so much fucking magic

still

[dusk patrol]

It’s spooky fantasy

[arctic talon]

I guess its only used for murder

and rituals

so yeah ig low fantasy makes sense

[storm jungle]

Its the kind of thing you could see in AOS/WHF

[rose thorn]

there is only 2 types of magic

[storm jungle]

like just a sideplot on a countryside

[rose thorn]

holy and unholy

canonically

[storm jungle]

also that yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

thats true

[rose thorn]

so its more like, meh

[storm jungle]

yeah it doesnt go too wild

[arctic talon]

actually

what type of Magic is Death lol

[rose thorn]

you can argue the second game is much more mild fantasy

[arctic talon]

as in like

[storm jungle]

like the fucking Crimson Court is straight up Flesh Eaters court shit

[rose thorn]

occult

[rose thorn]

s tier asthetic

[arctic talon]

she doesn't really share anything with the iron crown stuff though

and cultists

She's just really mad at the Flagellant for not dying

[rose thorn]

oh death

[storm jungle]

literally the first ever setting to establish mosquitos as actual bloodsucking vampire stand-ins

[rose thorn]

i thoguth you meant the necromancer

[arctic talon]

no I'm talking about death herself

lol

[rose thorn]

I LOVE HER SO MUCH

IT HURTS

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Her design goes hard

even if its just

[storm jungle]

EY YO

[arctic talon]

fucked up women on fucked up horse

[rose thorn]

aos fuckw with the traditional ideas of fantasy

i mean

dakrest dunegon

sorry

[storm jungle]

AOS has high/low fantasy mixed in

oh whoops

lol

[arctic talon]

She's such a fucking drama queen lol

literally has the wind blow flowers by and summons graves

when she appears lol

[rose thorn]

aos is 'what ever you want fantasy'

[arctic talon]

before she starts running you down

[rose thorn]

its fucking crazy they repesent death with a woman in a wedding dress on a horse

the most lifely symbols

and flowers

[arctic talon]

Shame she only shows up when the Flagellant is in the party

but w/e

[rose thorn]

to be honest

[arctic talon]

she's a fitting "nerf"

lol

[rose thorn]

pure spite and hatred

fits

[arctic talon]

considering flagellent in 2

is arguably way more broken then his iteration in 1

somehow

[rose thorn]

YeA

he should get like

an actual ner

f

but waht ever this is funny

[rose thorn]

'how the fuck is this a odwnside'

if everyone hates him, he gets more toxic

therefore more winning

[arctic talon]

genuinely MORE MORE, Sepesis and Undying all are fucking insane

I have no clue how MORE MORE has not been nerfed lol

[rose thorn]

also his trinkets are so busted

at least last time i played

[arctic talon]

his special inn item is also good

just makes him blight harder

[storm jungle]

the pox hole....

[arctic talon]

blight fleshlight

[rose thorn]

the forbidden

[storm jungle]

NOOOOOOO

[rose thorn]

DOG DAMN IT

you beat me to it

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I'm pretty sure its for his hand

[rose thorn]

i lvoe lvoe lveo run away

[arctic talon]

but still

[rose thorn]

i alwasy run her

but shit she isnt good lmao

[arctic talon]

I find it funnier that he was like

meant to be a bleed character as well

at some point in development

since there's this unused image

[rose thorn]

YEA

honeslty anotehr blight character is always nice

adds a bit of synergy

[arctic talon]

Runaway finally has a friend to spread fire with

which is nice

[rose thorn]

yes

[arctic talon]

Duelists coup de grace being a pistol is also hilarious

[rose thorn]

YE

[arctic talon]

Duelists Strap

[rose thorn]

honestly, there might be a third type of magci with fish magic

but eh

the only proof its different is in 1

[arctic talon]

it looks unholy

in 1 even still imo

it looks very like

Heart of Darkness esque sometimes

[rose thorn]

fair

the uh

i got it mixed upw ith the symbol from

Pelagic Guardian

wait

no

imhaving as torke

maybe it could jut be a water themed subsect

but its the same magic the ancestor did to the boat

man i love depressed fishing village vibes

[tough haven]

it will make me lock skills and I dont want that

[arctic talon]

Just spam toxic at the mountain

Genuinely 0 consequences anymore

[rose thorn]

just run 1 skill lmao

its that simple

(unironically a dd1 strat its great)

[tough haven]

Well yeah

[tough haven]

I wonder just how much you can influence the ultimate outcome of your retinue in rogue trader

like just how much I can change their stories

Like can I help pasqual and Ulfar play nice together? they are two of my favorite characters

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they interact a ton

Ulfar generally is pretty chill though

I think he might have some issues with the narrative choices you can make for pascal

[tough haven]

Other way around

and I dont think theres any choice involved besides how you respond and it seems like your choice doesnt matter, they both go "hmph" and pout

Pascal is upset by Ulfar's past actions

I'm not sure how I can circumvent that, if at all

and in the epilogue if you have the two (At least in my playthrough) ||Pascal ends up getting Ulfar killed||

[opaque coyote]

I love how the reason why he's a skeleton in DD2 is literally just because he looked at death

Said "no"

And then came back

Bro what're you going to whip. There's nothing left

[arctic talon]

He literally had death come to kill him, destroyed her manifested form and then came back to life

[arctic talon]

Apparently it feels even better now more then ever

Which is concerning

[tough haven]

Would he be nurglite or slaneeshi?

[queen laurel]

damn yeah that's rough

[rose thorn]

Last edition beast smasher would have been good

[queen laurel]

yeah my favorite is this anyway, the warstomper

[rose thorn]

Yea he can throw people it’s really funny

Also his club is a horde killer

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh

he's overindulgent in pain

he masks it with religion but he loves pain

both inflicting it to others and on himself

[queen laurel]

yeah he's a horde killer, but he can also throw down one-on-one with a monster

[arctic talon]

He's like stereotypical slaaneshi

[queen laurel]

and yes throwing a model is hilariously funny

[arctic talon]

Despite him being very gross looking in 2

he was a lot hotter in 1

[rose thorn]

A tale as old as time

[rose thorn]

Rolling the blessed 6 on a wizard:

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[shell mason]

[queen laurel]

POV you are near the war stomper

[pallid ember]

worship emperor as a god?

what would make you a god? xD

[storm jungle]

Nothing

just that the religious people tied to your kingdom said its your divine right to rule

which is not true lol

[raven stone]

I mean, Emps had super-human abilities, so…there is an objective reason to think he might be a god.

For us normal humans…yea, it all ties down to cultural myths and whatnot.

Or belief, to be honest.

[storm jungle]

Hes only started to become a warp god recently

during the Age of Strife/Unification Wars/30k he was just a very strong psyker.

[raven stone]

And by accident no less, considering humanity worshipping him made it so (or just out of the necessity of…y’know, having a crippled body)

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[raven stone]

True, just saying he is so obscenely powerful in that regard people mistook him for one…looks at Lorgar and co.

[storm jungle]

I mean

people IRL worship the dumbest shit

[raven stone]

And that he objectively had powers to begin with.

[storm jungle]

so its not that much of a surprise

[raven stone]

Though the imagery he chose probably did not help his own case :p

Gold, shining lights and being a fuck huge giant dude…

[storm jungle]

I like how thats such a stupid mistake they later on tried to explain it narratively with Malcador saying "OH NO you see he had to look like a god so people would follow him"

its such a fucking funny thing you could tell the writers tried to explain away

[raven stone]

It is sad that they couldn’t embrace that and drive home further the point that Emps loved humanity but he cannot think human

[storm jungle]

Hes also braindead as much as the writer writing him.

[raven stone]

Which are 2 very entirely different things.

True.

[storm jungle]

if 40k writers wrote Watchemn Ozymandias would somehow outwit a literal walking god.

[raven stone]

Emps fluctuates with how the writer feels about him…somewhat sadly.

I may be semi delusional but I do apply headcanon in defiance of the novels where shit just cannot make sense if we follow the writers word for word.

[storm jungle]

You really dont need headcannon for that stuff.

Bad writing is bad writing.

Also writing semi-omnipotent or super smart characters is not something most authors manage at all.

we rarely see it done well

Its why i gave Watchmen as an example

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-ozymandias-gif-17947946626114212686

[queen laurel]

If writing smart is meaning making a character that his first choices genocide the planet that worship him instead of clearing up the misunderstanding then he did a good job on that part

[storm jungle]

Well it is called warhammer

[queen laurel]

Yeah being smart usually means being rich and underestimating the gargant right outside the city

[dense dawn]

Everybody in warhammer universe is legally obligated to own at least 1 war hammer

[tough haven]

Peacehammer

[celest dome]

Peacemaul

[storm jungle]

an egyptian from Total War: Pharaoh i think

[celest dome]

Nah it's from that previous game

The one that was fantasy-ish

Troy

[storm jungle]

aughhh

[green loom]

@storm jungle ONE PIECE IS REAL

[storm jungle]

AAA

where is this from

its no on warcom yet

[queen laurel]

Finally actually something proving that the novel exists

[green loom]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/06/the-high-kahls-oath-read-an-exclusive-excerpt-from-the-upcoming-leagues-of-votann-novel/

[fallen plaza]

Nurgle dawi

[storm jungle]

Based

[queen laurel]

This singular name is enough to scare elite wolf into submission

The book is probably going to be very ******* painful to watch in the point of view of the featured faction

but the world building will be good as shit

[fallen plaza]

Oh my god

I just noticed his name

[storm jungle]

I expect a lot of

Dying race

Gets ass kicked probably

[queen laurel]

How is Gav in writing personalities

[storm jungle]

Hes great at worldbuilding but kinda bad with everything else.

[queen laurel]

OK so he should be able to capture the lack of emotions of a dwarf

[storm jungle]

yes

[hallow saddle]

I'm really looking forward to it

Dorfs suit Gav I reckon

Also it's Trans-Hyperian Alliance, so that's automatically cool

[hallow saddle]

I should hope not 'cause they're not a dying race!!! They're just an engineered species who mine because thats what they were made to do

If he dips into that, that'd be cool

[storm jungle]

Man heres hoping

votann fans are hungry

[rocky gale]

Yea, my friend who collects Votann quickly went from "I hope Votann don't get any releases this year because I can't afford it right now", to screaming with glee when the book was announced

[storm jungle]

LOL

[rocky gale]

Also I've seen this floating around Reddit but not seen anything about it on Warcom, so it's either a leak or fake

[storm jungle]

Almost likely from the amount of recycled 9th edition art

lmao

[raven stone]

Only Grey Knights is accurate

Since GW themselves outright say they are next year in the Agents reveal article

[fallen plaza]

More books for the book good

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/06/imperial-agents-detachments-enlist-rogue-traders-into-inquisitorial-operations/

Detachment previews are here.

Looks like the Rogue Trader detachment is all about positioning ploys and damage upgrades.

[dusk patrol]

Ugh

Thorpe

Well maybe it’ll be good

Narrator: It wouldn’t

[soft thunder]

this contains small funny man lore, yes?

god I hope there's a Hoxxes being overrun by Tyranids reference

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

the fact they havent already starved to death is impressive

[dusk patrol]

Lots of rocks available

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Same meal as black templar fanbase, based

[plush mason]

lmao

[storm jungle]

Speaking of

I go to the Warhammer twitter post of the book

Top comment is this

Space marine pfp

literal bingo game with these morons at this point lol

[queen laurel]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

i have seen some idiots

But this guy is just really really looking for drama at this point

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-atreides-muad'dib-lisan-al-gaib-dune-part-two-paul-atreides-kys-gif-4908245235630484017

oops

[crystal forum]

premium twitter user

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[outer wave]

At this point, they're really goading people on to actually slapping pronouns more into 40k

[storm jungle]

Me when a techpriest literally doesnt associate with any gender and i get to be mad about it on twitter

[outer wave]

I genuinely wonder why they waste their breath and time on this

[storm jungle]

because bigots will be bigots

no matter how much some people say these people dont matter/dont exist lol

[outer wave]

At the end of the day, they can make their own weird canon and play their own homwbrew games with their friends so it's just

Kinda dumb

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

This guy must have a tough time writing if he doesn't use any pronouns ngl

[plush mason]

that sums up their own mindset, they arent actually thinking and are running off of pure emotion and learned behaviors

[outer wave]

In his world, everyone is a man

[queen laurel]

people will be people unfortunately

[green loom]

You know I wonder why these folks don't lean into a language that's pretty gender neutral then, no real pronouns there

[outer wave]

True

[plush mason]

tbf he is using English which is a very gender neutral language

[celest dome]

Because they would still see it as an attack on their "traditions" (may or may not count traditional gender roles

[green loom]

Gender roles cringe ngl

[plush mason]

its really really sad that hate is one of the longest running traditions in human history

[queen laurel]

what can you do it both has negative and positive options

[plush mason]

the negatives always outweigh the positives

[shell mason]

[queen laurel]

i don't know man watching these two hate each other it was fun

[shell mason]

Hate in general is fun

when no one is getting hurt that is

[plush mason]

sure, but then when it is so ingrained in their families that their grandkids are hating each other for no other reason than thats what they always do it becomes a sad joke

[green loom]

They see these folks not fitting their subjective view of normal and instead of being a sane person they want to kill them????

There's maybe an element of projection/internalized 'phobias and whatnot too

[plush mason]

the problem is we humans are so in love with hate that it almost always overtakes us and becomes a centeral part of our identities

[outer wave]

Attack on their "family values"

[spring cairn]

call the SES Fist of Family Values to the rescue

[plush mason]

lol

[queen laurel]

There are just things you can't get rid of, and trust me you may as well look at the positives than the negatives

[plush mason]

nah, the negatives will always be the bigger and more impactfully part of hate, so better to just laugh at the fools consumed by it and move on

they are simply pathetic and deserve to be left behind

[queen laurel]

i said focus on the positives not the negatives, negatives are majority yes but the positives are source of good fun

[outer wave]

I recall there being a really good Mr Rogers quote on why he's a positive figure and such IIRC, and it goes a bit like "When I was out with my mother as a kid, we saw a house on fire. My mother told me, 'Look for the people helping out'."

Its kinda true tbh

[plush mason]

the negatives are even more fun to laugh at so long as you can avoid making the mistake of empathizing with the fools that have allowed it to rule their lives

[queen laurel]

yes rowlett

it is funny

[crystal forum]

my tip for enjoying life is avoiding twitter

[plush mason]

true

[outer wave]

Or use twitter specifically for art

But then again there's things like Pixiv

[crystal forum]

not if you're an artist and you start comparing yourself to others

[outer wave]

Hah I recall making my account just to put up my art. Bruh, I havent done so in years

[plush mason]

i have such mixed feelings about art on twitter now, on one hand i love to see it still alive and on the other i just know all of it is being scraped into an AI art generator

[outer wave]

Yeah thats an unfortunate truth

Though I know some people have tried implementing anti-AI scraping tech

I dunno how good it is though

[queen laurel]

A lot of them are probably using nightshade or glaze

It's basically a program designed specifically to poison ai art

[plush mason]

that makes me happy

[crystal forum]

i love seeing tiktoks of people who are very inexperienced with 3d art getting millions of views because what they made is kinda cool

[outer wave]

Plus there's some artists that dont have that style AI users like

So they may end up in a incestious relationship with a fellow AI user's art

Which can also poison the well in theory

[crystal forum]

isn't it ironic that AI will never be able to replicate low experience art

because it's so inconsistent

and it has human errors

i hoped the rise of AI slop would make people appreciate how art doesn't have to look "good" to be great but of course my expectations were too high

[fallen plaza]

Im not one for slop, but i’d rather you not jinx yourself if it does get almost impossible to notice

[plush mason]

not in theory AI art using Ai art makes worse quality AI art

its already started happening

[storm jungle]

AI art is extremely noticable most of the time

[outer wave]

^

[fallen plaza]

There are programs to poison libraries for ai

[storm jungle]

also like

even AI art that looks scarily realistic has inconsistencies

like really bad ones lol

[outer wave]

I think AI art has gotten better with the things like hands and hair, but lighting still seems to be an issue

[queen laurel]

Yep this thing became popular

[fallen plaza]

I kinda almost miss the ignorance we had with ai when it first came out, and it wasn’t even that long ago lmao

[crystal forum]

as somebody who does data as my job it's the dumbest idea ever to use data to interpret more data. it's literally like when you put a microphone in front of a speaker, it just keeps going until it hurts

[outer wave]

Yeah I miss when everyone was just making silly memes with it

Dall-E my beloved

[plush mason]

between them and the flood of AI art that is also poisoning the well lets hope that can kill this whole industrialized art theft

[outer wave]

Considering a bunch of tech giants had their stocks crash yesterday

Lets hope

[fallen plaza]

I however am partial to text ai

[crystal forum]

problem is it requires a minimum of artistic eye to see this stuff but most people can't even tell how shadows and perspective works

[fallen plaza]

Makes work a little easier kek

[storm jungle]

its not even that, its logical errors

[plush mason]

AI ofc has its uses, just full generative AI art doesnt

[outer wave]

I think AI as a tool for art or writing assistance is cool

[storm jungle]

like a woman having a hat on her head and shes holding another one like shes about to put it on

[crystal forum]

shadows being wonky is a classic one

[storm jungle]

Man I could use one of those writing ones 💀

[plush mason]

same

[fallen plaza]

You know whats funny

[outer wave]

Yeah it'd be actually useful to getting a general idea down

Or just editing

[storm jungle]

god tell me about it

[fallen plaza]

I remember someone saying a lot of scientific papers have the words “as an ai language model…”

[plush mason]

i bet if i had one it would be able to spell and type both better and faster than i do lol :/

[crystal forum]

scientific papers being written by AI is more and more common

[fallen plaza]

If you know where to look there is an alarmingly huge thing

[storm jungle]

MOOD

I really dont mind AI when its text based

because like

who the fuck gives a shit about thesises

lmao

[fallen plaza]

The amount of times ive edited my messages….

[plush mason]

it also doesnt need to steal the works of others to function

[queen laurel]

i used to use chat gpt to generate prompts for me in when i was writing my armies and characters, it had some good results but i just decided to stick in my less than stellar brutal writing style

[storm jungle]

theres also no "art" to writing stuff, the biggest bummer for me in uni was the restriction planted on us for writign essays where the tutors literally told us to write it like we were robots and be straight to the point without any dramatics

and this was WAY before AI was a thing

[queen laurel]

I can't really get very brutal with the results

Like explaining how i wanted to rip someone apart with my character or something

[outer wave]

Agreed, university writing is always very cutthroat and robotic

Also can be pretenscious with word usage

[storm jungle]

^

I fucking hated it.

[outer wave]

I never did well with writing up my lab reports

[crystal forum]

then universities will complain about people cheating

[storm jungle]

Literally plagiarized so much from official sources while carefully editing it to not get caught

[fallen plaza]

Prior to AI i had scribd to help me 😁

[storm jungle]

some of the most unfun shit i had to go through on an academic level

[fallen plaza]

Oh, and quillbot

[storm jungle]

Quillbot is legit goated

[fallen plaza]

I love quillbot

[storm jungle]

actual legend

[plush mason]

ah yes, you must learn to write in this near arcanic foremate that no one in any actual field has used for almost a century at least

[storm jungle]

Its like if Warhammer Wikipedia writing was a sub-category

[queen laurel]

my chat GPT history could put me in jail

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

I just wish lab reports and scientific papers were written less like you were some stuck up cunt

And more just like, I dunno, people?

[plush mason]

see that would require the people writing them to not be stuck up cunts

[storm jungle]

Mood.

[fallen plaza]

I dunno, i like it that way, but maybe that says a lot about me

[crystal forum]

what kind of school did you go to jeez

i used to always put jokes in my lab reports

[fallen plaza]

Im only partially joking of course

[plush mason]

a LOT of people in academia can be very very pretentious

[outer wave]

I had to write formally and all that, I dont think the idea of even joking in those papers came up

My presentations were different however

I could joke and shit and that was fun

[crystal forum]

i fucking HATE presenting

im so bad

[outer wave]

Same

I get really nervous and my throat feels like closing up

But I try and get my points across, sometimes with a pretty awful jokes

I had to talk about the gut microbiome and I covered fecal transplants

[fallen plaza]

Just never make a joke in general in those situations

[outer wave]

So you know how that went

[queen laurel]

make a tragedy joke that would get you banned

Good way to scare people

[fallen plaza]

Twice as unfunny

[queen laurel]

Yes

[fallen plaza]

Like 911 jokes faze people anymore

[outer wave]

Oh no I wasnt edgy

[crystal forum]

i hate stuck up professors with a passion

[outer wave]

Mood

[queen laurel]

How many times has people use that alongside the harambe joke

[crystal forum]

they're so miserable that they wasted most of their life in academia

[queen laurel]

Like those things were sad but like people literally milk the s*** out of the jokes

[fallen plaza]

Rivals the grains of sand

[outer wave]

So I had slides like this that ended up with a slide like

[queen laurel]

hehe

shitty

[fallen plaza]

Im surprised you’ve kept them

[outer wave]

Its on a shared google doc so

[fallen plaza]

Oh fair

Who keeps these lol

[outer wave]

I didnt keep my presentation for plant genetics so yeah fair lmao

God that was my favorite slide to do, the shitty results one and the one before it

I recall almost tempted to write down "200 mL of prepared shit was injected into X man's colon"

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

Yeah I also liked that presentation too

It was about a parasitic plant that runs rampant in Africa

Striga

[storm jungle]

good naming for a plant like that lol

[outer wave]

Yep I really like its name

Wikipedia tells me its also named Witchweed

Its IIRC has a gene that basically causes its seeds to germinate when exposed to smoke or at least had something similar to that gene anyway

[queen laurel]

Dang so that's how i smoke the witch of the woods pack

[outer wave]

No dude, those are just processed witches of the woods

The Witchweed pack hits different

[queen laurel]

You will not lie to me that Is witch weed

[outer wave]

Im sorry bro but this whole time

[queen laurel]

and i will take it

[outer wave]

You've been smoking grounded up witches

Who so happen to have lived in the woods for an extended period of time

[queen laurel]

i'm going to crush you

[outer wave]

😔

Please dont smoke me....

[queen laurel]

Don't worry i will just feed you to a war stomper

[outer wave]

😊

HOORAY!!!!!!!

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-zombie-screw-on-head-gif-5350566376120192130

[outer wave]

God that animation is so cool

Oh shit Speed Freeks is out

[queen laurel]

Yeah i'm already customizing my vehicles

[outer wave]

Hell yeah

How is it btw?

[queen laurel]

Fun

[outer wave]

Nice

Hows the F2P?

[queen laurel]

You can get everything only cosmetics need to be paid

[outer wave]

Thats pretty pog

[shell mason]

I'm bored ag

[fallen plaza]

Look below the title wolf

😁

[storm jungle]

shut up lmao

[arctic talon]

I'm aware

This has been known for a while lol

[outer wave]

Hopefully he writes Dwarfs better than Elves

[arctic talon]

Lol

lmao

[storm jungle]

Me a person who read all his WHF dwarf books

💀

[shell mason]

I'm getting gassed soon

[crystal forum]

why is this image poop emoji

[shell mason]

I finna taste some of nurgles garden

[crystal forum]

oh i only just noticed the recent warhammer community post on solar auxilia

i guess solar auxilia do in fact come in different flavors

[shell mason]

brother

what?

[crystal forum]

but they're literally just diet astartes since the only thing that differentiates them is colours

paint a cadian red and call him something else aaa logic

[fallen plaza]

In older lore it wasnt the case

Each solar auxiliary looked different

[tough haven]

I gotta wait till after work to play it

[fallen plaza]

But they gotta dillute it because guh

[tough haven]

Speed freeks that is

[crystal forum]

literally the main reason i prefer militarum is the customization

[fallen plaza]

Rules wise they are very much so

Especially milltia

[arctic talon]

Thats only for some Solar Auxillia groups

smh

[crystal forum]

militia is such a clusterfuck i love them

[arctic talon]

Cults and Miltia is

one of the armies of all time

its not even the best horde army in 30k is the funniest part

[crystal forum]

you want necromunda models in HH? HERE'S A LAND TRAIN

[arctic talon]

there's not a mini for a land train 🤓

you're supposed to make your own

[crystal forum]

i thought it was the necromunda one

it has the same name and everything i think

[arctic talon]

the ridgehauler

isn't the land train

its called a Landtrain but it isn't like the land train

though I'm not sure if that thing survived the transition into 2e for heresy

[crystal forum]

well ok then GW if im supposed to make my own then

[arctic talon]

either way

I think its funny how Cults and militia isn't even the best trash spam horde army

[crystal forum]

it's just such a fun army to build

so much lore fluff

[arctic talon]

it'll make your wallet implode

[storm jungle]

Im gonna rip your spine out

[crystal forum]

it feels made specifically for older players who have a shit ton of extra bits

[storm jungle]

EVERY FUCKING FACTION GETS DIFFERENT COLORING HOMEBREW SHIT

AND SPACE MARINES DIDNT INVENT HEAVY ARMOR

[crystal forum]

when did i say that

[arctic talon]

there's no way in hell any normal person has enough bits

[storm jungle]

also this

[arctic talon]

its like

[storm jungle]

metal slug lookin ahh mini

[crystal forum]

i love this model maker

[storm jungle]

God

i love the bosses in the series

40k as fuck

[crystal forum]

one day i can make proto valhallans

[crystal forum]

if only capcom didnt suck major dick so they could finally stop butchering the series with shitty mobile games

[fallen plaza]

We already have that

[storm jungle]

Alas

[fallen plaza]

We have better actually

Its called vostroyans

[crystal forum]

their vibe is different

i dont like em

[fallen plaza]

Big sexy hats

[crystal forum]

also valhallans never did anything bad for the imperium

so they're just willingly doing mass wave tactics

i love them so much

[fallen plaza]

Anyways

I love the milltia rule option to give units slave collars

That sounds cool as fuck

[arctic talon]

Mechanicum will never be unseated as the stupid horde army in heresy

mostly since holy shit tech thralls and servo automata are so fucking cheap

[crystal forum]

you can also make your militia a bunch of genetic freaks that either suck major ass or are almost astartes depending on a dice roll

[fallen plaza]

Black shields i heard are also very customizable

[arctic talon]

black shields fucking suck to customize

lol

[fallen plaza]

At least, in the previous ed

[arctic talon]

compared to their previous iteration

you don't get an option to just take some auto weapons if you want now

[fallen plaza]

Shattered legions

[arctic talon]

you have to replace everything

[fallen plaza]

[crystal forum]

do HH mechanicum even get better gear than modern mechanicus or is it still the same

[fallen plaza]

No

[arctic talon]

HH mechanicum have even shittier weapons for tech thralls lol

[fallen plaza]

Better in everyway

[arctic talon]

depends

some of the stuff still exists as well

but phosphex is dead

in 40k

same with darkfire and photon weapons

[fallen plaza]

Swag on 30k mech goes hard

[arctic talon]

Stuff like volkite and irrad clensers still get used

[crystal forum]

isnt it neo volkite in 40k

[arctic talon]

we just don't have minis with them in 40k because Citadel and forgeworld have a pissing contest

Neo volkite is Cawl's great value volkite for primaris

lol

[fallen plaza]

Do they still use darkfire cannons in 40k?

[arctic talon]

They get horded by the Ordo Reductor

[fallen plaza]

I always liked how suspiciously aeldari they looked

[arctic talon]

for their own personal use

since they're no longer produced

[fallen plaza]

Typical i guess

[crystal forum]

you know what's kinda funny

[arctic talon]

Ordo Reductor has come up with new and horrifying ways to kill people though

as is expected of them

[fallen plaza]

The reason for phosphex being gone was kinda stupid tbh

[crystal forum]

solar auxilia shouldn't have leman russ vanquishers

[arctic talon]

Phosphex lore is weird

I'm not even sure why GW did it

but w/e

theres literally several phosphex relics as well

lol

[crystal forum]

the vanquisher cannon is a more modern cannon

[plush mason]

have you had a problem with the game just not following your inputs?

[fallen plaza]

Its so theres a lore accurate way to be an asshole back in 1.0

[arctic talon]

LOL

the mechanicum player bringing less minis then a custodes player

[fallen plaza]

Custodies

[arctic talon]

vs the mechanicum player bringing over 600 minis

[queen laurel]

nah it's ok for me

[crystal forum]

horus getting shot by 600 laslocks

[arctic talon]

takes like

[crystal forum]

where's your gods now

[arctic talon]

2 wounds total

because Primarchs are "fair" and "balanced"

[fallen plaza]

Fuck taking primarchs anyways

[arctic talon]

I'm exagerating but I think over 2k points worth of tech thralls shooting at Horus wouldn't do shit

[crystal forum]

it's lore accurate that a primarch can kill a warlord titan with a sword

[arctic talon]

Primarchs are fucking miserable

on the tabletop

I don't care if its the shittiest one you're bringing

I just don't want to play against them

[dusk patrol]

It needs a big game and it revolves around them

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s very hard to make fun

I’ve seen a couple games and it takes too long

[arctic talon]

mfw I see 2 guys with primarchs on the table and they're just in the middle of the board fighting each other

because they don't want to actually use primarchs

[tough haven]

Fr

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/action-figure-fight-iron-man-hulk-toy-gif-17133003

[arctic talon]

either way I fear the psycopath who brings a pure mechanicum horde army

mostly since

What the fuck is wrong with you

[dusk patrol]

If he’s painted it leave now

[tough haven]

Btw anyone know how to find voice lines in darktide source?

[dusk patrol]

You don’t know what he’s capable of

[arctic talon]

mfw I see 600 tech thralls and thats only 1800 points

[fallen plaza]

Ive heard horror stories of iron warrior players bringing a whole army of tyrant siege termies

[arctic talon]

ngl as long as you tell your opponent and they agree to it

it'll be fine

[tough haven]

I do that with me admech, im running my 120 skitarii list

Can’t do more than that sadly

[storm jungle]

lore accurate

[arctic talon]

skitarii are high quality units

Tech thralls are literal disposable trash

that are worth less then the weapons and cybernetics they use

mfw they have the same BS as Orks

[fallen plaza]

Trust me, using my imperial fist army with the fury of the ancient rite of war is totally lore accurate

[arctic talon]

worse WS then anything else in the game

terrible initiative

[arctic talon]

me when I see a fully optimized Broken Legions dread list

[fallen plaza]

Man, i dunno why, but i love the look of the achilles alpha

A landraider with a mortar is just, mwah.

[arctic talon]

It looks cool as hell

[crystal forum]

@arctic talon did you get the martian civil war book thing

[fallen plaza]

I love low res wiki images

Fuck you fandom for not being able to copy images

[crystal forum]

legit one of the worst websites on the internet

[errant yacht]

A dumb thought, but how effective would it be for the most battle-hardened Imperial officers to impersonate Space Marines? Definitely wouldn't work against Chaos Space Marines themselves for obvious reasons, and looking like a Space Marine would bolster Ork morale, but when faced against every other enemy of man, I feel like a sufficiently skilled warrior wearing an armored Space Marine cosplay would be a much-welcomed boost in guardsman morale

[crystal forum]

where would they get the power armour

[errant yacht]

Wouldn't be real power armor, but a weapons-grade cosplay

[fallen plaza]

It depends on whatever regiment and how often they see space marines to form an image of one

[crystal forum]

i feel like somebody would get pissed off at the idea of somebody pretending to be an emperor's angel

[fallen plaza]

Depends

[arctic talon]

I was going to but it went out of stock when I was trying to buy it

[errant yacht]

A thought that came to my mind when discovering how in Mobile Suit Gundam, some Federation forces actually do disguise their GMs as Gundams to bolster the morale of lower ranking soldiers

[fallen plaza]

My favorite word in this chat

[rocky gale]

Yea, it'd be like pretending to be Jesus to try and cheer up some Crusaders

[crystal forum]

is it a limited edition??

[arctic talon]

no

[crystal forum]

bruh

[arctic talon]

they just ran out of stock on the preorder lol

[fallen plaza]

With GW, everything is limited edition

You might even get a free unreleased model with your kit

[arctic talon]

god

that was so funny lol

the guy painted it and everything and then GW just replying with the Eavy Metal painted Dante

was fucking hilarious

[errant yacht]

You'd think even as rare as they are, the Ecchlesiarchy would have stained glass murals and painted tapestries of Space Marines with varying degrees of accuracy.

[fallen plaza]

This wasnt even the first fucking time lmao

[arctic talon]

It wasn't, but this is the first time someone fully assembled + painted it and GW social media replied with the Eavy Metal mini lmao

[fallen plaza]

This is one of the dumb things about GW i hope never changes

[arctic talon]

I'm glad GW is so much less uh

prickly? I guess compared to pre 8e GW

[fallen plaza]

Anal is the right word

[fallen plaza]

Probably

[arctic talon]

we know there's statues and paintings and stuff

[crystal forum]

i dont really get where this idea that nobody knows what an astartes even looks like came from

feels like one of those space marine player assumptions

[celest dome]

Probably from people learning that lots of worlds never have a SM set foot on it

[crystal forum]

it's like saying nobody in the imperium knows what the emperor looks like just because they havent seen him in person

[fallen plaza]

I mean, everyone knows what jesus looks like, in terms of the current artistic interpretation

But we dont know exactly what he looks like

[crystal forum]

it's all up to interpretation sure but the general idea is there

big guys in power armour

[fallen plaza]

I dunno how you cant see how it can be misinterpreted over a millennia

[errant yacht]

I mean, if the statues in Necromunda: Hired Gun and this game are of any indication, artistic renditions of the Astartes are accurate enough for people to cosplay them in-universe. Am wondering how effective a weaponized cosplay would be as a morale boost

[fallen plaza]

Shouting sounds easier tbh

[crystal forum]

the way it's phrased by a lot of people i hear talking about this is that a pleb would not even recognize a space marine if he was standing right in front of them

like it's fairly obvious when you're looking at a superhuman

[fallen plaza]

A superhuman yes, but not a space marine

[errant yacht]

Shouting is easier sure, but seeing a silhouette of what appears to be a Space Marine doming some knife-ears, greyskins, or nids would probably encourage the grunts to fight harder than just shouting.

[crystal forum]

does the bolter not give it away?

im pretty sure i've seen bolters directly mentionned in imperial prayers

[fallen plaza]

I dunno

It probably depends ™

[errant yacht]

I've yet to see a prayer where the keywords "boltgun" and "bolter" are directly mentioned. I'm pretty sure the Litany of the Lasgun could apply to just about any weapon since the prayer itself makes no mention of that word.

[crystal forum]

isn't that a mechanicus thing?

im talking about generic ecclesiarchy prayers

[errant yacht]

Litany of the Lasgun is provided by the Departmento Munitorum

[crystal forum]

what is it about

i have never heard of it

[fallen plaza]

Lasguns

[crystal forum]

the maintenance?

why would a guardsman pray about a lasgun

[fallen plaza]

For the machine spirit

[crystal forum]

then it's a mechanicus prayer in origin

[fallen plaza]

Like astartes do also bless bolters

[crystal forum]

the only form of text every guardsman gets is the uplifting primer

[errant yacht]

Firing the weapon.

Bringer of death, speak your name
For you are my life, and the foe's death

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Litany of the Lasgun would also apply to plasma, melta, ballistic, or even bolt weapons due to the prayer's language

[crystal forum]

aaaand of course the source of this litany is a cadian book

wait nvm fifteen hours by mitchel scanlon

this book is so old that it still says imperial guard instead of astra militarum

[fallen plaza]

Rule 4 bro, no slurs, say c#dian

[crystal forum]

mb man

[errant yacht]

I'm not exactly in any hurry to get the 2020 edition.

Did they finally address the possibility of looting non-Chaos corpses in that edition?

[crystal forum]

with how the uplifting primer is preferred as toilet paper i doubt many guardsmen use these litanies in battle

[arctic talon]

As we all know

Orks are weak and stupid

You can easily kill one by bayoneting it

Tau pulse weapons are inferior to glorious imperial lasguns

[errant yacht]

[arctic talon]

Drukhari are cowardly(this one is kind of true) and have weak pathetic weapons that don’t kill you

The drukhari section of that book is funny in that it’s half truths rather then straight up lying

[crystal forum]

im surprised they even tell guardsmen what drukhari are

[arctic talon]

They get called even more pathetic then normal eldar

Which I guess is true in a sense lol

[crystal forum]

so true

john, shoot this elf with the executioner

let's make slaanesh happy for once

[arctic talon]

Eldar have hollow bones and are slower then humans

I think that book will genuinely get you killed if you read the on xenos portions

[crystal forum]

i honestly wouldn't even question the hollow bones one

[arctic talon]

Well we know they have normal bones lol

[crystal forum]

would explain how they're so fast and agile

[crystal forum]

birds have hollow bones

[arctic talon]

They just have like a really weird musculature structure

[crystal forum]

it's why you can break bird bones so easily

[arctic talon]

I think the Ork portion is def my favorite though

Tbh

[crystal forum]

what does it say

[errant yacht]

@arctic talon This the 2020 edition we're talking about? Want to know if Part the Fourth Section III has been revised

My book dates its Copyright as Games Workshop Limited 2012

[arctic talon]

I don’t know which version I pirated ngl

[crystal forum]

squat orks

[crystal forum]

i love how they straight up lie instead of actually telling them how to defeat orks

LOL

holy shit your arm will break

and he will bite your face off

this is like going into hand to hand combat with a gorilla

[crystal forum]

i do like how the book seems designed like an actual army manual

this is what they actually look like

[queen laurel]

Like the funny thing about this is that you can literally see structurally speaking that the orks are like multiple times larger

[arctic talon]

It’s really fun

[crystal forum]

fun fact you can download the US army's instruction book on bayonet combat

for free!

[errant yacht]

I wouldn't be surprised if Yarrik's rise to fame is him doing all this shit and getting away with it

[arctic talon]

The Pentagon sells their improvised explosives manual

Not the modern one

But like still

[errant yacht]

But your book refers to the Guard as Astra Militarum?

[crystal forum]

those images look very old

[arctic talon]

I don't remember

I can check

brb

[tough haven]

I know but they’re the cheapest ones you can get in admech

[errant yacht]

It's being scalped to hell and back...

[crystal forum]

find an online copy

[arctic talon]

Its Imperial Guard

but astra militarum does get mentioned as well

its not the Damocles gulf version

[errant yacht]

Yeahno, I think that version of the book is lost media

[errant yacht]

"Oi, I didn't know i'z gettin a free tan!"

[queen laurel]

Bro

This thing is like the height of an ogryn

The f*** they mean shoot the face

[crystal forum]

if you manage to shoot a rampaging warboss's face you both deserve to become a sharpshooter and have accolades on your grave for when he finds out which umie slapped him

what is the most powerful handgun a human can shoot?

[storm jungle]

Theres a million different marks of guns

its kinda hard to pin down lol

[crystal forum]

isn't there some clear stupidly powerful one?

or at least some archeotech bullshit one that's insane

like a gamma pistol can penetrate a whole bunker so that one is up there

also depending on how you want to define a 40k laser, the gamma pistol is probably the highest energy lasgun humanity can produce

gamma radiation's frequency band only has a minimum, no maximum

[outer wave]

@queen laurel God Im so damn shit at this game

But its pretty fun

[queen laurel]

Just drive like a lunatic

It will work out most of the time

And pick the vehicle you want

That really appeals to your style

[crystal forum]

gamma radiation's frequency range starts at 30 petahertz

that's 3x10^19

[spring cairn]

peta can't help themselves but dabble in everything they even have their own frequency unit

so annoying fr

[crystal forum]

wait im calculating rn

[fallen plaza]

Graviton guns

[crystal forum]

cooking if you will

[spring cairn]

then stop reading chat and focus

it's your conscious decision to read i'm not talking

or just use the in operating system calculator like a normal human being

[crystal forum]

i cant hear myself with all this ruckus

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/cymbals-blazing-cymbal-cymbalblazing-blazin-gif-12851625

[outer wave]

Im doing that, they're still kicking my ass, especially in Konvoy

[queen laurel]

What vehicle do you use

[crystal forum]

i forgot what to do after converting frequency to energy

[outer wave]

Mixing stuff up, using the teleporting one a bit, the mega grot tanks, etc

[queen laurel]

The teleporting one?

Oh no that's not teleporting

That's invisibility

You can still get hit

[opaque coyote]

y'know the worst part about this is if they told them to do that for more "standard" enemies

Then it would've actually been somewhat useful

Like it would be somewhat useful against like

A regular Chaos Cultist

[arctic talon]

its great advice for fighting a human

lol

Its horrible advice for an Ork boy

[crystal forum]

astra militarum fights shitty humans all the time it's just too boring to write about

[opaque coyote]

Not a FUCKING ORK OR ABOVE

[opaque coyote]

bro imagine trying to do that on a necron warrior

[crystal forum]

are necrons actually good at melee?

[arctic talon]

Uh

they're really physically strong

but slow as shit

so not really

[outer wave]

Yeah I realized its not technically you getting teleported or whatever

[opaque coyote]

Either way it'd be equivalent to a baby trying to budge their dad's arms

[arctic talon]

Necrons when initiative was still a thing had the worst initiative values in the game

[crystal forum]

funny thing is those shitty necron units use bayonets too

[arctic talon]

Except for stuff like Lychguards

[queen laurel]

The lightning gun has a 90° left aim keep that in mind and make sure you stay far away from fighting

[opaque coyote]

But the dad also has a gun that can vaporize you in an instant

[arctic talon]

and lords and stuff

they had decent initiative

[queen laurel]

You're a long range hit and run specialist in that thing

[arctic talon]

equal to guardsmen for lychguards iirc

[queen laurel]

Keep that in mind

[outer wave]

Yeah its basically a frontal weapon and its good really only for jousts

[crystal forum]

if we're comparing strong units then astra militarum can bring out an ogryn or a castellan

[queen laurel]

Make sure to play the long range heat and run play style with this thing

[arctic talon]

Overlords had Salamnder initiative values

aka marine but slower

[queen laurel]

It will give you the most success

[opaque coyote]

If I remember correctly, Ogyrns are actually stronger than Space Marines

They're just dumb as bricks

[queen laurel]

Yes they are

[crystal forum]

they are

[arctic talon]

Ogryns are def stronger then a normal marine

they can uh

[crystal forum]

funny enough for how rare ogryns are in lore we talk about them a lot here

[arctic talon]

drag chimera's

tbh

[queen laurel]

They can move a 38 ton chimera

[arctic talon]

they're cool

[queen laurel]

And bane snap the back of a terminator

[opaque coyote]

Gotta love them

[queen laurel]

One even killed a terminator by suplexing it

[crystal forum]

good thing they're part of humanity so we get actual lore with them

[outer wave]

Yup yup

[opaque coyote]

Like the one Ogyrn that's literally a psyker.

And can actually do things like

properly read and write

[queen laurel]

To be honest ogrins can be just like in dark tide

[opaque coyote]

Emperor save those poor motherfuckers...

[queen laurel]

But the way they are indoctrinated tends to keep them at a bare minimum intelligence level

You only really need the bear essentials for a brutish soldier

[opaque coyote]

BONE moment

[crystal forum]

eh he's an oddity in lore

or she i think

[arctic talon]

Cassia is dead

yeah she is an oddity

[queen laurel]

Oh no the dumbest one is the bone head

Brawler

[arctic talon]

tbf

[queen laurel]

The other two bodyguard and the bully

[arctic talon]

his implant is malfunctoning

its cooking his brain

[queen laurel]

Their naturally smart

[queen laurel]

Yeah yet he is somehow smarter than an average warhammer fan let that sink in

[opaque coyote]

"So I asks meself, what would Colonel Stracker do? Easy I says, ed' probably yell at me for bloody standin' about and not smashin' things with me mates. So that's what I did. They even gave me this ere shiny medal when I was through."
— Specialist Nift, Bone'ead 1st class, speaking candidly about his promotion

[queen laurel]

Lovable logs they are

[crystal forum]

alright so calculating how much power a gamma pistol needs is harder than i remembered

there isn't much information on how much gamma radiation is required to carve a hole through concrete

since i dont think that level of power has been produced in history

[opaque coyote]

More specifically, I think doing that is kind of impractical

But it's 40k

So yk

[crystal forum]

that's what gamma pistols do

they're ridiculous

[opaque coyote]

Microwave your enemies

...I wonder how Ork tastes like

[crystal forum]

that's not what gamma radiation does

[arctic talon]

the mechanicus try not to invent new ways to murder someone challenge(impossible)

[opaque coyote]

Probably like mushrooms

[crystal forum]

gamma radiation is well above microwave radiation

it can penetrate concrete

it's usually created by nuclear bombs on earth

or large stellar events

[opaque coyote]

Yeah they microwave people.

They're just a bit overcooked sometimes...

[crystal forum]

it's uh

more like turning people into slag

[opaque coyote]

Delicious

Only a minor amount of DNA scrambled

[storm jungle]

bro thinks hes Bruce Banner 💀

[crystal forum]

ok im doing this differently

so gamma pistols are said to penetrate concrete bunkers in their short lore blurb

it takes around 2500 to 3000 newtons to break concrete

so the force exerted by a given number of photons is
F=hfN/c

[plush mason]

https://x.com/shinobi602/status/1820840160717631520?s=46 lower than i was expecting

Shinobi602 (@shinobi602) on X

Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 | Official PC Specs

#Warhammer40K #SpaceMarine2

Twitter · Aug 6, 2024, 3:11 PM

[green loom]

We've known it's shockingly low for a minute

[crystal forum]

it would take 3.77x10^25 photons on the lowest end of the gamma band to break concrete

that amount of gamma photons is equal to

using the formula E=nhf

749.5 terajoules

[celest dome]

While looking at the GW online store I had those 2 pictures next to each other.
And now I want a Centaur Admech/Skitarii

[crystal forum]

let's just assume for some reason that the gamma pistol takes 1 full second to penetrate concrete

that's the same amount of joules but in watts

1 nuclear power plant in the US can produce around 1 gigawatts

it would take 759481 nuclear power plants to power a gamma pistol

that's all i care enough about to calculate

just goes to show how everybody talks about lasgun recoil but nobody talks about lasgun magazines

classic dumb geek going

[barren prawn]

is there a lore reason why everything from Vraks SUCKS?

[green loom]

All the good stuff got used up or stolen by the Death Korps

[barren prawn]

time to spend 4 weeks reading about the siege of vraks to figure out why they cant make good weapons