40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

No you'll now don a generic picture of a bleached roman statue and say white supremacist things

[queen laurel]

I'm a dumb guy not a legion fan from fallout new vegas

There is a difference

[pine wedge]

true, bulgur is just an honest, organic, freerange, homegrown, common clay of the new west type of dumbass.

I can vouch for that.

[raven stone]

I do believe Ork Fans would be less politically affiliated...if no less trolling and aggressive lol.

like actual Orks

[green loom]

Slight blazing saddles reference?

[fallen plaza]

I associate a lot of ork fans with redditors

[queen laurel]

As an ork fan meeting and actually racist ork fan is very rare compared to the fans of other factions

[storm jungle]

40k is mainly aimed at kids/teens

[pine wedge]

nope

[storm jungle]

so you are entirely correct

[fallen plaza]

The type to say waagh out loud in a game

[queen laurel]

Brother if i was a redditor i was out of this server the moment i stepped here

[storm jungle]

its why i love it when adult fans are like "NOOO I WONT ALLOW MY SETTING TO BE KIDIFIED"

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?si=6RQr0W9dE9pj2bZq

[pine wedge]

oh maybe it is then

I haven't seen that movie but maybe I got the phrase from the internet quoting it

lol

[green loom]

"the common clay of the new west, you know, morons"

[queen laurel]

That's one way to describe how i think in life as a Iron Jaw fan

[pine wedge]

yeah gotta be it.

[green loom]

Me when I welcome a new person into 40k

[raven stone]

me being an adult who does the opposite and wonders exactly how far one can push creating 40k crossovers with kiddy settings

[storm jungle]

Honestly its not that hard lol

Warhammer Adventures kinda proved it

and it has a kid get disintegrated

[green loom]

NOOOO YOU CANT JUST GO AGAINST THE LORE REEEEEEEE

[storm jungle]

dab

[fallen plaza]

Good riddance

[storm jungle]

also one thing adults never fucking understand

Kids love violence

idk why they try to assume like they dont lol

[queen laurel]

Why did you think they loved donald duck when he worshipped hitler

Dumb kid brains love violence like no other

[green loom]

Warhammer fans when you tell them their "deep" and "vast" setting has the consistency of water and the depth of a kiddy pool

You can tell who's even look into books if they treat 40k books as barely serious

Because 90%(being generous) is just generic, dumb action slop

[queen laurel]

Yeah the setting is quite literally made to sell funny plastic crack

[fallen plaza]

And I zone out of the action slop

[green loom]

"WOMEN???? In my TOY SOLDIERS?????"

[fallen plaza]

I hate reading fights in books

[queen laurel]

You remove that and this setting is going to go down faster than a meteorite

[green loom]

Okay but actually like

"it's good as long as it doesn't go against lore"

What fucking lore though

[fallen plaza]

You fight in comics and movies, not books

[green loom]

Book 3 that says X, book 12 that says Y, or book 8 that says Z

[fallen plaza]

Most people that say that mostly quote codexs

[green loom]

Yeah because the purpose built flavour text books are always un-embellished

[queen laurel]

you mean the lore to sell this giant naked man?

[storm jungle]

looks like my dad

[green loom]

Looks like me

[raven stone]

It's funny how they treat 40k story like actual real life history

[pine wedge]

this is why shonen anime is so succesful internationally as well

[raven stone]

It isn't like we can dig stuff up to prove it.

[pine wedge]

my mother forbade me from watching Dragonball Z because it was "so violent" but every fucking kid in the neighbourhood was ALL OVER THAT SHIT

[queen laurel]

Turkish people when i tell them that they look like mega gargants

[pine wedge]

because of the violence

[fallen plaza]

I just prefer they keep a guideline with what they estimablish visually

[pine wedge]

big dudes powering up and kicking the shit out of each other even harder by yelling?

hell yeah dude

[fallen plaza]

1121

That is what to tell any turk

[storm jungle]

idk what that means

lemme dial it up

[rocky gale]

He's hitting you with a Battle of Didgori reference

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

only gori i know is Father Grigori

and that man is a hero in this house

[green loom]

God I love the folks sperging out about female custodes

[storm jungle]

Same, and its still going too

everyone has moved on

lmao

[green loom]

"The SILENT MAJORITY REJECTS this DESECRATION of LORE"

[storm jungle]

said silent majority that is the 95% of the fandom that just plays minis

[pine wedge]

female custodes my beloved

[green loom]

Literally most upvoted post on r/ImaginaryWarhammer

[tough haven]

Yeah but necrons at least can have the tech to maybe deal with them, everyone else is fucked when necrons pull out their pokeball

[queen laurel]

And funny thing at one point i was just waiting at them to notice the woman custodes as they were being mad about the rules

[tough haven]

And even more so if they get out

[queen laurel]

I love the realization that wait the rules are bad but why are there women here

[tough haven]

Almost like you can’t tell under the armor

[storm jungle]

Its not that

the tabletop players legit do not care lol

and they are the main audience

the lore focused front just thinks they" rule" this fandom somehow

[queen laurel]

Yeah they were like man the rules are bad then they noticed the woman and somehow become even more aggressive than the rules being bad

It's like a funny switch up

Like they're being mad about something totally understandable to being mad about something totally unreasonable in a span of a second

[tough haven]

Lol, that’s funny

[crystal forum]

barely having any stake in a community yet getting outraged when stuff happens

[tough haven]

So true

[storm jungle]

To be fair

its basically every fandom

GEORGE LUCAS KILLED MY CHILDHOOD!!!

Meanwhile Dexter Jetster

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-dexter-gif-8378949937194016377

[rocky gale]

Dexter Jettster is literally the best addition to Star Wars

[crystal forum]

definitely up there with jar jar

[green loom]

Primaris literally killed my dog under orders from GW REEEEEE

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[queen laurel]

Can the fan base in this setting for once complain about something totally understandable to complain about

[storm jungle]

no

well okay

Coteaz was one exception

[green loom]

Okay but dilara this new marine is missing exactly one minor detail GW has RUINED SPACE MARINES once again
Fuck Matt Ward(for good measure)

[storm jungle]

The fact that hes still getting death threats/hatemail is crazy

ITS BEEN LIKE 20 FUCKING YEARS

[queen laurel]

and compared to other authors, what he did isn't even the worst right

[rocky gale]

Damn is a swear word?

[storm jungle]

Damn means christianity exists in star wars!!!!!!

[queen laurel]

yeah apparently it is

[storm jungle]

Ward's situation is basically a can of worms

people more or less blame him for largely the faults the studio placed on him as the writer in the codex credits.

[queen laurel]

sheesh

still though some people are too crazy

[storm jungle]

remember

the incident with him is entirely why GW doesnt credit the teams behind making codexes and other game content anymore

[queen laurel]

so the fans took away the reason to read credit

damn

[tough haven]

“Ruined” space marines having more content and support than other factions combined

And therefore the most people to complain

[tough haven]

Meanwhile xenos be like:

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[crystal forum]

can you imagine ork players getting mad that a gargant model is missing a small chunk of metal

[fallen plaza]

I would

[tough haven]

Fr fr

[queen laurel]

Good thing ork customizability basically renders that kind of mistakes irrelevant

[fallen plaza]

Because if there isn't enough metal, it not strong enough

[tough haven]

I wouldn’t even notice

Tbh

I’d be like “oh cool, it’s randomized”

[fallen plaza]

Needs more armor

[tough haven]

Nah just needs more dakka

It’z dead ‘ard already

[rocky gale]

Speaking of, Drukhari recently has the highest winrate in the game with 57%, can't wait to be nerfed into dust.

[queen laurel]

where do you see stuff like win rate stats

[rocky gale]

Auspex Tactics usually does videos quite regularly about it

[queen laurel]

ah him, I searched up the win rate and apparently yes they are horrifying

[rocky gale]

It's an inflated winrate though because their not a faction that are played much, so the people that play them are pretty experienced at playing specifically Drukhari

[queen laurel]

Seems orks aren't doing so well in the meta right now

[shell mason]

what's the ward situation?

[arctic talon]

The sample size is very small

I doubt GW is gona touch them

[tough haven]

SM players are just whiny and entitled from being the poster child

[tough haven]

3% play 67% win rate is horrifying

It is a skewed set of data

They’re datasheets are not good enough to get nerfed, it’s just experience

[rose thorn]

(Based based based)

The pretty boy curse 😭

[tough haven]

I would say maybe all the free disembark and reembark through walls is a little annoying

[queen laurel]

mags what's your favorite faction in each grand alliance

[tough haven]

Like if you’re a non necron faction, what the fuck do you do if a ctan shard gets thrown out, or heavens forbid, breaks free?

Die I guess

[green loom]

You hope you're the protagonist

[young pecan]

The 40k writers are like a divine presence

If you suddenly feel special and fleshed-out, you're good

[rose thorn]

Order: cities or fyreslayers (it’s really big so 2 is fine)
Chaos: S2D/darkoath
Death: flesh eater courts
Destruction: gloomspite

[celest dome]

Gloomspite are nice

[rose thorn]

I have flesh eaters and gloomspite, I plan to either get cities or darkoatj

[rose thorn]

Yeee

For second place

Order: stormcasts or Sylvaneth
Chaos: tzeentch
Death: nighthaunt (which I have)
Destruction: Kruleboyz

(Which I have)

[queen laurel]

That's a nice list

mine are

Order: Fyreslayers
Chaos:blades of khorne
Death: Ossiarch bonereapers
Destructuion: Sons of Behemat, Ogor Mawtribes, Gloomspite gitz, and iron jawz

yeah i basically like the entirety of destruction

[rose thorn]

I am planning to get a kraken eater for my birthday tbh

[queen laurel]

The seconds being Bonesplitterz and Kruleboyz

[queen laurel]

dang that's a nice gift

[rose thorn]

For my self lmao

You can run it in any order or destruction

[queen laurel]

the other mega gargants don't strike your fancy?

[rose thorn]

Actually might get a gate breaker- one of the two

[rose thorn]

They do, I’m just getting it for the mercenary

[queen laurel]

there's only like 4 choices

so it really depends on what you want them to do

[rose thorn]

Kraken
Gate
Beast
War
Brodd (who isn’t merc)

[queen laurel]

Yeah not including big daddy brodd there's only four

[rose thorn]

Kraken can be in order
Gate can be in death
Beast is only destruction (and is trh worst one)
And war can go in chaos

And all can be in destruction

[celest dome]

Kharadron
Gloomspites
Bloodbounds
Nighthaunt

[queen laurel]

yes it works wonders

[queen laurel]

aye nice

[rose thorn]

Based, I’m getting Kharadron soon tbh

I have the magazine

It’s worth for the models but that’s it

[queen laurel]

Beastsmasher is supposed to target monsters but not really everyone brings one

and a good chunk of the factions don't need to use monsters

[tough haven]

So generally speaking it would be folly to let one out or think you can control one and it won’t break free and kill you, correct?

[green loom]

Generally it doesn't matter

Depends on author intent

[tough haven]

Unless your necrons and even then it’s a big risk

Lord inquisitors will see ancient cosmic star gods that the most advanced race struggled to contain even shards of and go “yeah, I can tame it”

[crystal forum]

"my faith will protect me"

his faith did not in fact protect him

[plush mason]

clearly didnt have enough faith: the next lord inquisitor after him

[raven stone]

I mean, if this is in reference to the Rogue Trader game...

Rogue Trader ||IF they chose to assist the Inquisitor||

"Excuse me am I a fucking joke to you!?"

[arctic talon]

Skysplinter is hard carrying the faction tbh and the only the best/most derranged drukhari players are bringing them to tournaments rn

[tough haven]

It is

[tough haven]

If I thought it would genuinely work or if we had a backup plan for if it failed, I might agree with him and so all those deaths weren’t for nothing, but any chance of any extra ctan shards being out in the galaxy is infinitely worse than the benefits of having one tamed

[raven stone]

The weird thing is ||if you do help Calcazar, you do end up containing it…but then the High Lords grow sense/spine (or both) for ONCE, and actually sent an Assassin to deal with him.||

[plush mason]

||clearly shapeshifters have taken over the imperial senate, they actually did something competent/reasonable, no way in hell its the actual high lords giving that order||

||unless they also sent forces to take the shard, then its them||

[rose thorn]

yeah but gate breaker does teh same thing to any enemry for 1d6 less damage

so 4d6 damage

and monsters arent great this edition

monster heroes are fine

but counter picking 400 poitns to off a zombie dragon or a hydra

is pretty bad tbh

except maybe in 3000 point games

and it hink its wrose that its only for destcution

which ahs some of the best monster killing

if like, whos someone with bad monster killing

flesh eaters

or some faction with bad big removal

could take it it would be fine

[tough haven]

Now the one in my ship is different because he’s nice and my friend and I taught him morals

[tough haven]

Yes but for how long?

Also my character would have no way to know that it works for sure and the risk is too great to chance it

[raven stone]

Yea that’s fair

The ending implies the trap holds for good, but…we will never know.
Though in all honesty, probably not for long if they write an expansion lol.

[tough haven]

And again, there’s no way to guarantee the timeless star god won’t get out eventually, they’re pretty pissed and determined

[tough haven]

Can you just save scum to do both in a run?

Cause I’m curious to see the differences

[raven stone]

Might be better asking that Discord in terms of long term implications.
Short term, obviously, nothing stops you from saving at the point of talking to ||Calcazar||

[tough haven]

Btw can you agree with calcazar and then just turn around and kill him for hurting Pasqual’s feelings?

[tough haven]

I have a save right before I talk to him, is there anything stopping me from reloading it afterwards?

[raven stone]

That…I am not sure about.

[tough haven]

Btw what exactly is the tech blight?

I thought it was warp spawned from one of calcazars experiments

[raven stone]

Hm…I haven’t touched the game in a while so that detail kind of escapes me at the moment.

[tough haven]

Do you know if I can kill him myself on that route?

[raven stone]

No, you either help or you don’t AFAIK.
His fight always comes before the shard one.

[tough haven]

Do you decide what happens with the shard after?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

You can get a few endings from how you taught Nomos about life as well

[dense dawn]

Nobody expects the imperial inquisition

[rose thorn]

I quite like the idea of the agents of the imperium

I’d die for a rogue trader army

Themed*

I’d probably uh, obtain more voidsmen at arms, not the ones in the suit but the one that comes in the roguetrafer box

[dusk patrol]

That’s basically what agents is

You could easily play it as a RT army

[storm jungle]

yeah they are both literally the same format the RT would just have almost less gestapo agent dudes.

helps that their RPG logic has remained the same for years "recruit anyone for your party"

[arctic talon]

Tbh

You could even reflavor the inquisitorial retinue as like

A rogue trader one

[storm jungle]

Yeah all it takes is a paint scheme

lol

[raven stone]

…y’know it just struck me

How GW writing is still a wee bit unbiased and imbalanced.

Why?

[arctic talon]

Because imperial factions sell more books

[raven stone]

Notice how all the loyalist Primarchs have wholesome or sane adoptive families

[arctic talon]

Oh

For that?

Fulgrims family was sane and normal

Same with Perturabo

And magnus

[raven stone]

But the traitor Primarchs all come from “broken” families…
…oh.
Thanks for disproving my late night mad thoughts lol.

The warp nearly got me there.

[arctic talon]

Perturabo’s father genuinely like

Loved him

Fulgrims family seemed normal

Magnus’s father also loved him

[raven stone]

Ah ok, excellent.
But yea would break the mold even better if at least 1 loyalist Primarch actually overcame adoptive their own abusive family background per se.

[arctic talon]

angron, lorgar and Mortarion all got a very short end of a stick

[arctic talon]

Ferrus’s family was nothing while living on Medusa

He ended up okay

[raven stone]

True

[arctic talon]

I don’t think Lion had a family either?

He grew up on his own in the forest

Though Lion ended up a little deranged

[storm jungle]

You're still a bit semi-right because we are suppose to think of loyalist primarchs as heroes when they are basically genocidal warlords lol

its kinda played off as "oh they accept it because its for the greater good/the Imperium will fix itself eventually" but eh.

Even more egregious when its people like Corax whos suppose to hate tyrants

[raven stone]

There is a reason why Khan is my fav loyalist Primarch.

[dusk patrol]

He was as big a monster as them all

Arguably worse

His gripe with the Emperor was how it chained him down, not with the genocide and endless conquering.

He just wanted to be free to endless ride around conquering and shit

[raven stone]

He only agrees with the “kill dangerous stuff” part of Emp’s plans…
Now THAT having been said.
Yes, he has his flaws too. For sure. Like, say, not frigging communicating with people

Ok, I grant that he is still quite self centred in his method of opposition, but at least he was balancing it out with killing Orks (which, come on, I don’t think anyone can oppose that)

[dusk patrol]

His arc going into the siege is him realizing he cares about other things

He’s great but I feel like the community makes him out to be way nicer than he is

He loved all the killing and genocide

[raven stone]

Yea this one is the real weird one, like, it would make a bit more sense if we actually saw him install very different styles of government but we don’t get that.

[dusk patrol]

We have it explained pretty clearly, he figures that it’s better to work within the system than die for nothing fighting it

[storm jungle]

The primarchs are essentially MCU characters

[arctic talon]

Based and warlord pilled

[dusk patrol]

But that never happens obviously

[storm jungle]

down to saying stupid ass one liners

people just love big dudes in bigger armor fighting stuff essentialyl which is fine

[dusk patrol]

A ton of the primarchs had ideals to implement post crusade after the work was done

[storm jungle]

but it has slowly become the sole reason that globe-throts around the setting

you are slowly seeing it fold out rn lol

[dusk patrol]

But that doesn’t happen because obvious reasons

[raven stone]

Given the weirdness that Khan was originally meant to be corrupted by Slaanesh until a last minute switch, I also concede his love of conquest probably has killed a few more races or human societies than is strictly necessary at all.

[dusk patrol]

Eh I ignore that whole “switch” thing

It’s not really clear and it’s dropped as soon as it’s mentioned

[storm jungle]

Its pretty good and fits if it actually happened.

yeet

[dusk patrol]

My point is just that people make the Khan out like he’s some nice dude

He’s not

He’s an asshole who loves mass killing and genocide.

But he is well written and cool

[storm jungle]

They definitely mostly dont

[raven stone]

I mean, one of the Iron Man suits outright rips the design off Terminator Armour lol.
Also the Tartaros pattern looks like something Tony would actually design.

[dusk patrol]

They definitely do

[storm jungle]

nah

its just "HES SO AWESOME"

"OMG HE SAID THE FULGRIM IS GAY JOKE"

[hallow plover]

[storm jungle]

every fan almost looks up to loyalist primarchs as noble heroes

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[dusk patrol]

I’ve had to argue against people saying he’s somehow the bestest most moral primarch because people just read he don’t agreed with Big E and don’t read shit

[raven stone]

I wouldn’t call Khan “nice”, but he certainly had more brains amongst the loyalist bunch.

Now, who wins the award for being made far nicer than actually is?

Vulkan

You have a guy, who would gleefully burn Eldar infants without a question

[dusk patrol]

The thing is, people need to stop trying to pick some nicest dude

They’re little bitches who can’t accept the setting

[storm jungle]

They never will, its useless to even bring it up.

[dusk patrol]

Stop trying to find out whose your bestest most moral dude

[raven stone]

And somehow he is Super Nice…and yea, Primarchs are pretty much Demon Princes in Human Skin lol

[hallow plover]

The fans get the facts wrong 80% of the time

[storm jungle]

90% of the 30k/40k fanbase meatrides loyalist primarchs like they are spiderman or something lol

[dusk patrol]

Just pick what’s cool

Anyways

[storm jungle]

no

[raven stone]

Yea Khan isn’t moral, but I do think he genuinely thinks a lot more. Or rather, at minimum, he is at least willing to be critical of the Imperium (even if he continues to genocide for it)

[dusk patrol]

Most of the primarchs had plans post crusade

They just were getting the dirty work done

Some didn’t care at all and just did whatever

[hallow plover]

Can you blackpill me on Guilliman ?

He seemed like a OK guy in Dark IMperium

[dusk patrol]

The Khan had a huge amount of arrogance and idea that he was better than the rest which kinda gets dissected during the heresy

[dusk patrol]

He doesn’t have to be evil to do evil things

Or act evil or whatever

[raven stone]

Guy had a Proto-Inquisition during Heresy era even before it was a thing.

[hallow plover]

Also, Horus sounds like a fucking groomer in Horus Rising

[arctic talon]

Banality of evil

He normalizes it

[hallow plover]

That's an imperium wide woe

[raven stone]

Also, from a loyalist perspective…assuming Terra had fallen when it hasn’t

[arctic talon]

It is but he represents it especially imo

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Also there’s elements of, Guilliman for all his power and skills and abilities can’t make the Imperium better

[raven stone]

Which led to the whole Secundus thing happening.

[arctic talon]

Ultramar is shown as like a “perfect” example

Ignore the servitors, slavery

[storm jungle]

so many fucking morons think hes "improving" the imperium

its maddening

[arctic talon]

Ect.

[storm jungle]

he said himself hes only leading it atm de-facto because he has no other choice

[arctic talon]

Mfw the psychopath running the assasinorum knows the lore better

[storm jungle]

he has openly said he'd rather go full Klark Kent

[hallow plover]

Someone need to make an edit of this

[storm jungle]

and live on a farm somewhere

[hallow plover]

with Horus

[arctic talon]

Guilliman can’t do anything to fix it even if he tried

There’s too much rot already

[hallow plover]

"I've had my eyes on you, Garviel"

[raven stone]

Because so many morons think “if people obeyed Guilliman everything gets fixed”, ignoring the fact that the people executing his orders are also flawed/have self interest etc. etc. (and nevermind constant wars knocking everything out of plan)

[dusk patrol]

It’s an impossible system to fix

[storm jungle]

the Imperium's eventual fate has always been to crumble into warlord states/systems/sectors

idk why people ever think this setting will get wiped out lol

there will ALWAYS be a reason for the factions we know to exist

the primarchs will prob stick around until then and do their own thing with it

[hallow plover]

From what i've gathered he's just done and trying to hold together the shitstorm that is the Imperium by whatever means

And people simps for him

I mean, the fans

[raven stone]

Ya, and that alone means very little time for actual political reforms to fix things.

Or education. Or standards or living.

[hallow plover]

[Insert Guilliman X Yvraine fanfic here]

[arctic talon]

The imperium will always die slowly

[hallow plover]

The coomers wins again!

[arctic talon]

and it will always be almost dead but never truly dead

Guilliman and Yvraine talk to each other like

twice

[hallow plover]

I know

[arctic talon]

Ship Gulliman and Eldrad

[hallow plover]

and they barely tolerate each other

[arctic talon]

they talk more

[hallow plover]

What about the REAL romance

Guilliman X Felix

[arctic talon]

LOL

[raven stone]

You know, I actually think the Imperium (as political entity) will always exist, but the Imperial Creed will actually eventually die out.

When you have so many scattered Feudal bound sectors, it becomes nigh impossible to waste time to make sure everyone is worshipping the exact same way…

[dusk patrol]

Tbf this is more times than most Grimdank users have talked to a girl

[arctic talon]

this is true

[dusk patrol]

She means the setting isn’t gonna end

Obviously the Imperium could be destroyed and everyone wiped out if the setting progressed and they wrote that

[raven stone]

True, but I just like looking at lore hypotheticals… 😅

[dusk patrol]

It’s not happening became that’s the setting and also the timeframe

[arctic talon]

Age of Ligmar

[dusk patrol]

As much as AoS advances stuff

[raven stone]

40k is, by having so many factions, by default going to be an eternal stalemate.

[dusk patrol]

They still got huge fucking realms and areas where it doesn’t matter ultimately still, all the factions can stick around still

[dusk patrol]

That’s kinda the issue Fantasy ran into

It was a set world and they had done a bunch of stories up to the stroke of midnight and couldn’t advance stuff

[arctic talon]

Fantasy felt even more 1 hour from midnight then 40k

somtimes

[raven stone]

Yea, the limited landmass of Fantasy constricts it far more.

Whereas 40k, there is always more of space

In both senses of the word

From a narrative point of view, every faction is powered by Dark Matter

Just shipping out entire sectors and planets out of thin air for everything needed

(Well, thin void)

[dusk patrol]

Yeah 40k and AoS have much more room basically

[storm jungle]

Pretty much because this isnt a setting about lore, its about tabletop.

If they ever split the Imperium they will just ascend the Emperor to godhood and just keep imperial remnants with a ton of loyalist/renegade forces or whatever.

It makes the most sense on how people get to keep their armies while playing the game.

But this is like... almost 20-30 IRL years off

it will happen at some point

[hallow plover]

And Dan Abnett will novelize it

[storm jungle]

Probably lmao

its the same reason I hate the "if the Emperor dies the setting ends"

like... no

the writers will just go "well hes in the Warp now and has become the astronomican" or some shit

this is a setting literally built on excuses lol

again though this is WAY off in the future

[arctic talon]

If the emperor dies the imperium implodes(realistcally)

but that just sounds like

a big opportunity

for $$$

Lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yep

Again this is a setting written around how people can make their toys fight.

After the Old World blew up people thought it was the end times IRL, GW will always find an alternative way and smooth it out.

[arctic talon]

Endtimes fucking sucked lore wise

[storm jungle]

Better prepare for Round 2

[raven stone]

I am already anticipating the Detachment previews for Agents

[dusk patrol]

I’m interested

[arctic talon]

We already know there's one for each ordo and a generic one

iirc

[raven stone]

Yep

[arctic talon]

The Generic one is objective play focused which is

[raven stone]

Hoping the rules are goood

[arctic talon]

literally never bad

lol

getting buffs while you're doing any objective is always good imo

Its the situational objective stuff that always sucks

[raven stone]

Enhancement previews would be nice.
It would be great if, oh, I don’t know, generic Inquisitors can wear power armour again

(Even if you have to soak up an enhancement for it)

[arctic talon]

sentenced to not having a kit

I'm still annoyed we didn't get a multi part inquisitor

[raven stone]

Same

[arctic talon]

and we got a peeled 1e stormcast

lol

[raven stone]

And the saddest thing is

With the whole Primaris scale up thing going on now

Firstborn scaled Marines are actually perfect for normal human males in power armour now

But nnnnoooooo

[arctic talon]

meh

Coteaz also just has shit proportions

lol

[raven stone]

Coteaz has to be a Big Boy with Big suit

[arctic talon]

Firstborn also fall into weird proportion territory

compared to SoB

or other power armored humans

[raven stone]

In this sense

And only in this

I consider Deathwathc getting an absolute win

No horrendous Primaris scaling (yet)

[arctic talon]

wdym

I think the way primaris look is good

I think the only primaris minis I have an issue with their scaling is Belial

[raven stone]

Oh right sorry, I misread.

[dusk patrol]

Horrendous primaris scaling (not looking like manlets)

[arctic talon]

because my god belial is fucking huge

lol

[dusk patrol]

I do like DW veteran models though

[raven stone]

But eh, if worst comes to worst and GW insists on keeping Inquisitors on Carapace, I might just get a Solar Aux and call it a day.

[arctic talon]

tbh

[raven stone]

Inquisition has access to Good Shit(TM), they should have at least some suits of those void armour gathering dust somewhere…

[arctic talon]

we know they don't mind inquistors in power armor

from a like fluff standpoint at all lol

considering almost whenever one shows up in a story they have it

I think this is just a case of the only mini we have being old as shit and being carapace armor

[dusk patrol]

Just use one of the named rules and a different model

[raven stone]

Yea. If nothing else, I am hoping it being retired means GW expects everyone to start kitbashing…

[arctic talon]

Draxus moment

poor greyfax

I don't think she's ever been good since her release

[dusk patrol]

Hereticus Smereticus

Lamest Ordo always

Diet Malleus

[arctic talon]

Draxus and Coteaz have always overshadowed her lol

rules wise

[rose thorn]

Shout out to gw having to explain that you can still run deathwatch armies

[raven stone]

Agreed, they aren’t even the OG one lol.

[dusk patrol]

Maybe if she spent less time simping

And more time clobbering heretics

[arctic talon]

what being the moderate of the 3 named inqusitors does

The hardcore Puritan and Radical both have better rules smh

[raven stone]

Fandom still reacting like it is the apocalypse lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s big deal for the people who have armies still

Don’t really need people who don’t collect them telling people who do how to feel

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s how it is is but it still sucks

[raven stone]

Ok fair. I only dodged a bullet because I don’t run any Primaris things.

[dusk patrol]

I’m more optimistic than most but people can be rightly upset or annoyed

[storm jungle]

Malleus to Hereticus basically:

https://tenor.com/view/he-does-exactly-what-i-do-but-better-suicide-squad-james-gunn-peacemaker-bloodsport-gif-26579454

[storm jungle]

also deathwatch fans need to stfu tbh

[dusk patrol]

Special Detective vs A-10 Warthog

[storm jungle]

BRUH

💀

[rose thorn]

Space marine is a space marine is a space marine

[storm jungle]

Yeah i really dont care what happens to them either.

I had a deathwatch fanatic friend whos entire reaction was:

"Eh ill live"

lol

[dusk patrol]

That’s my take but I get people being upset or annoyed by it

[rose thorn]

I hope you can run the watch captain as your hq

But that’s it

[storm jungle]

I kinda do but i think my sympathy is less because its reaching ridiculous points

[dusk patrol]

Don’t really need the peanut gallery who it doesn’t affect commenting on it tbh

[rose thorn]

I mean as your general

[storm jungle]

Yeah but bully is funny

[raven stone]

You get Artemis IIRC

[storm jungle]

dealing with braindead deathwatch fans who also spam "xenos scum" 24/7 moment btw

[arctic talon]

tbh

I wonder if the named characters will get a mandatory warlord clause

[dusk patrol]

There’s always gonna be dorks, it doesn’t change my thoughts

[arctic talon]

because if you don't

there's some funny things you can do potentially

[rose thorn]

I don’t think it does

[dusk patrol]

I’ll probably just find a way to run it as a chapter with a Watchmaster leading

[rose thorn]

Because you can run an Inquisitor as a leader

[storm jungle]

the best option clearly

[raven stone]

Oh wait yea Warlord Traits.
Would be nice to have a peek at those too.

[dusk patrol]

One concern I have is because you can run these guys in a lot of armies

They’re not gonna want them to be good

[arctic talon]

we know they're being priced seperately

so

[dusk patrol]

Cause if say a Watchmaster is the best warlord for like four factions

[arctic talon]

worst case scenario curse of 250 point watchmaster outside of agents

[dusk patrol]

But we’ll see

[tough haven]

I’d at least like to see some ebb and flow to show the truly eternal stalemate, sides may gain power or territory but they won’t hold it forever

[raven stone]

I think a lot of it will be buffing Warlord itself. So it doesn’t get too crazy.

[dusk patrol]

Absolute worst case

I just play them as a chapter

[rose thorn]

Run navigator as your general

[dusk patrol]

I am looking forward to agents

[storm jungle]

Thats always gonna happen tho

[dusk patrol]

And the inevitable new GKs Termies

[storm jungle]

i was just saying whats gonna basically happen to the Imperials

everyone else will practically remain the same

[rose thorn]

I’m sad imperium is getting another army

[tough haven]

“Xenos scum” mfers when my xenos friends throw all the human slurs we have at them

[rose thorn]

But at least this one is cool

[raven stone]

I am actually half tempted to find a Bretonnian Grail Lady as a Navigator stand in…

[storm jungle]

same boat as this yeah

the Inquisition needed a comeback after they got sidelined

and for once its not space marines again

[dusk patrol]

Well

[storm jungle]

Deathwatch are like 1 part of it

[rose thorn]

Sorts

[storm jungle]

so no

[dusk patrol]

Grey Knights

[arctic talon]

Grey knights

[storm jungle]

man

forgot that existed

LOL

[arctic talon]

give me your skin

[dusk patrol]

Fake 40k fan

[arctic talon]

you've lost ordo malleus skin permissions

[storm jungle]

also i wasnt aware Grey Knights/Deathwatch got released as "new" armies

[dusk patrol]

Name 47 Ordos

[arctic talon]

[raven stone]

Just run Ordo Hereticus or RT detachment

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-throw-briefcase-jetski-gif-15758520

[raven stone]

If you are allergic to Marines

[dusk patrol]

You don’t even have to

It’s not like you’re required to bring marines

It’s an option

[raven stone]

True

[arctic talon]

Jokaero

new monkey sculpt

[dusk patrol]

I’m probably gonna do Xenos with DW, Scions, and Arbites, maybe a RT instead

[tough haven]

No I mean I wanna see like for example, tau take a ton of sectors for a time, but then like necrons push them out in a huge counteroffensive because they breathed on a tomb world, but then the uh eldar fuck with the necrons to complete one of their random mguffin quests for mysterious reasons, I just want each faction to have hayday time in lore and get to see different large scale matchups over time

Obviously nothing gets destroyed

[dusk patrol]

Well I got bad news for you

[tough haven]

But all factions get promoted to sell their models in new and interesting ways

[dusk patrol]

You need that for stuff to happen

[rose thorn]

I wonder how you run non agents models on an agents army

They said there was a rule

[raven stone]

Build an Agent army, but you swap detachment based on who you are facing and the battlefield

[rose thorn]

But I forgot what it was

[arctic talon]

there's a requisition system

[tough haven]

And everyone gets to keep their factions

[arctic talon]

but they didn't elaborate

beyond that

[rose thorn]

Damn

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah the status quo will be the same, the Imperium at large would still have loyalist elements but i can see GW introducing renegade elements because humans will be humans lol otherwise its just gonna be warlord stuff

[arctic talon]

I'd assume its an X% of army

can be this

[dusk patrol]

Anyways Necrons have gotten a bunch of stuff recently with the Pariah Nexus

[storm jungle]

the Emperor will still be around, warp travel will remain the same, yada yada

[arctic talon]

or you can bring X points of Y

[storm jungle]

"recently"

💀

[arctic talon]

they just got something like

last release cycle

💀

[dusk patrol]

I mean it’s the latest campaign book

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah but it sucks

[dusk patrol]

How?

[storm jungle]

literally just necrons not being able to do anything because Imotekh is a moron

lol

because otherwise again

necrons will kill everyone

[dusk patrol]

They’re both fighting eachother

[arctic talon]

I mean they do stuff lol

[tough haven]

Not super large scale stuff, seems like a simple way to boost sales on less bought stuff by giving them time in the sun, by also bolstering enemy factions of the “main ones” by being like “grr, your enemy is on top rn, kill them”

[dusk patrol]

That’s how it works

[arctic talon]

I thought it was decent

[storm jungle]

And Imperials just get to jab from the bottom because reasons.

lol

[dusk patrol]

They get fucked up worse

[rose thorn]

If this is true, brood brothers died for nothing

[storm jungle]

at least Orktarius ended up with nids winning i guess

[dusk patrol]

No one won

[arctic talon]

I mean

[storm jungle]

Some guardsmen/marines getting gauss'd is not really "fucked up"

[dusk patrol]

The Imperium didn’t definitely

[arctic talon]

no one won Crusade pariah nexus

lol

[tough haven]

I actually like this, it should be this for other factions more frequently

[arctic talon]

actually thats a lie

Chaos won

LOL

VASHTOR SWEEP BABY

[dusk patrol]

They literally destroyed worlds

[rose thorn]

Average GSC w

[storm jungle]

wow

[tough haven]

I love their petty rivalries though, it’s so fun

[storm jungle]

destorying worlds in 40k

groundbreaking

💀

[arctic talon]

I mean what were you expecting

[hallow plover]

Worlds dont matter

[dusk patrol]

Ok so what should they have done?

[arctic talon]

genuinely

its a campaign book lol

[storm jungle]

Something more than just fucking infighting again, its the same shit every time lol

[arctic talon]

nothing super lore shattering happens in them generally

[rose thorn]

Omg- guys remember when that whole world blew up!!! Omg 40k is so dark

[hallow plover]

They'll just shit out as many as needed for incoming plots

[storm jungle]

mood tbh

[dusk patrol]

Like shit happened, big conflict

[storm jungle]

pretty much this yeah, idk why expecting some good writing once in awhile is a bad thing.

[arctic talon]

Crusade Pariah Nexus is more fun looking at it as a dark comedy

tbh

[storm jungle]

Well yeah lol

[dusk patrol]

Sorry if they didn’t blow up the galaxy I guess?

[storm jungle]

its just a bit meh

[arctic talon]

mostly because of how shit everything goes

[dusk patrol]

It’s also not over

[arctic talon]

for everyone involved

lol

[storm jungle]

Not talking about the galaxy dingus

[hallow plover]

The only worlds that "matter" are Terra and the pebbles that used to be called Cadia

[arctic talon]

you're right Imotekh should be put in the cuck chair

[storm jungle]

damn

harsh

[dusk patrol]

They’ve set up Imotekh and Szarekh being opposed for awhile and we finally got to see it and why

[arctic talon]

yeah

[tough haven]

Not like leviathan was much different, besides shitting on the poster children blue boys

[dusk patrol]

And how they’re playing against one another

[storm jungle]

I know 💀

[storm jungle]

to be fair

leviathan was literally nothing

[arctic talon]

Crusade Leviathan had like

[dusk patrol]

Cawl and the Ad Mech are borderline in the background

[arctic talon]

one intresting thing in it ever

lol

[tough haven]

Is it shown in the animations?

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

no

lmao

[dusk patrol]

It’s in the campaign book

[storm jungle]

Pariah Nexus just has generic ass imperial protags

[arctic talon]

Szeras is a 🤓

[storm jungle]

who all, uh shocker

die

[tough haven]

Aw damn, that’s why I don’t know

[storm jungle]

the child getting shot was funny tho

[tough haven]

Cause I’m not buying that shit

[arctic talon]

All of Pariah Nexus's more intresting lore

has been in campaign books

and like

[hallow plover]

As it should be

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

stuff lol

[storm jungle]

🤝

[dusk patrol]

Pariah Nexus the show was whatever

[arctic talon]

We learned about how blanks got effected by the Funny field

[tough haven]

What are the campaign books called?

[storm jungle]

It felt like an expensive super late commercial

[storm jungle]

Crusade: Pariah Nexus

[arctic talon]

Well they're OOP aside from Crusade: Pariah nexus

[tough haven]

I’m going to “obtain them”

[storm jungle]

the uhhh

[arctic talon]

warzone nephilim

I think?

[storm jungle]

thats white dwarf innit

[rose thorn]

what's everyone's thoughts on hel crown getitngd estoryed

[dusk patrol]

White Dwarf stuff started it mostly

[storm jungle]

hel crown?

[arctic talon]

And also like

white dwarfs

[hallow plover]

Is white dwarf canon?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

yes

unfortunately

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

it has plot relevant stuff in it

[arctic talon]

me when important lore

in white dwarf

[storm jungle]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Innit

[arctic talon]

(I am going to kill myself)

[hallow plover]

Archaon getting mogged by stones

[arctic talon]

expected it ngl

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes it’s really dope lore too which is frustrating

[storm jungle]

Crusade: Tyrannic War
Crusade: Pariah Nexus

[rose thorn]

yeah skaven molly rocked the stormcast box

[arctic talon]

Overlord declaring an duel of honor between himself and the Imperiums warlord

[storm jungle]

also new art that isnt recycled jumpscare

[arctic talon]

Imperials just shoot him all

[rose thorn]

(tbh the stormcast half wasnt very good)

[arctic talon]

Necrons annihilate the planet in response because they're angry

Funny ass lore excerpt ngl

[tough haven]

Ah damn, I think I’ll have to buy these from official channels

[storm jungle]

Uh i think you can find some PDFs

google just incase

[dusk patrol]

fans always vote for the “lololol what if these guys won” option

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

The stormcast side sucks

compared to the Skaven one

not even like a question lol

[dusk patrol]

But thankfully GW doesn’t make the conflicts matter much anymore for this stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeah because constant stalemates are fucking boring lol

also kinda

they sometimes do where one side gets entirely annihilated

[arctic talon]

just having played some spearhead games

[rose thorn]

the stormcast half had almsot no synergy, and was the counter pick chamber lmao

[arctic talon]

it feels like an uphill battle with the stormcast side

lol

[storm jungle]

average stormchad moment

[arctic talon]

I am fighting for my fucking life

against those goddamn jezzails

[rose thorn]

it really needed to come with an atrillery or osmething

[arctic talon]

Stormcast side genuinely has no big hitters

skaven side is like

[dusk patrol]

Reminds me of these online card games where they have faction fights and the options for one side were clearly far and away better

[arctic talon]

70% big hitters lol

[dusk patrol]

Makes you go “hmmm I wonder who they want to win”

[rose thorn]

idk how they play tested it

[arctic talon]

Hearthstone refrence

[arctic talon]

They didn't lol

[rose thorn]

fair

[dusk patrol]

They didn’t care probably tbh

[arctic talon]

^

Its like leviathan

[dusk patrol]

GW really doesn’t care much about these events

It’ll mean nothing

[rose thorn]

that measn the stormcast hafl will be cheap on ebay!

[dusk patrol]

They tried to make them big and it turns out

[arctic talon]

where the Marine CP is much less coherent then the Nid CP

[dusk patrol]

Random games aren’t a good way to write a narrative

[arctic talon]

which is impressive

since both sides are pretty fucking incoherent lol

[rose thorn]

to be honest helcrown has appeared in books

and was mildly important

(mildly)

[arctic talon]

Its appeared only in soulbound no?

[dusk patrol]

So now they just do a little fun thing with a mostly unimportant location

[arctic talon]

I haven't read it in other books

[rose thorn]

it appeared off hand in a few books

[arctic talon]

Guh

[rose thorn]

like

[arctic talon]

guess I'm dumb

[rose thorn]

ltierally jstu saying the name

i think it was mentioned in the new callis and toll book?

but literally jsut mentions nothing big

besides soul boudn

[arctic talon]

I wouldn't call that mildly important personally

[tough haven]

Damn, can’t find any they aren’t just the rules

[dusk patrol]

Currently watching the US destroy the lame Pasta People in Beach Volleyball

[storm jungle]

damn it

[arctic talon]

but it had more lore then Ograhm or whatever

[rose thorn]

its better then 40k's random planet on the edge of the galaxy number 542

[tough haven]

You’d think it’d be easy to find

[arctic talon]

Also Crusade Leviathan randomly dropped the lore that White Templars aren't Dorns kids

lol

[rose thorn]

they arenet?

[storm jungle]

It is when the material is a bit older

[dusk patrol]

Hey it had lore. They had a Warhammer community article the day before the launch.

[storm jungle]

half the shit i got is pirated lol

[arctic talon]

I think the most intresting is the Breathern Moon giant fucking Tyranid flesh abomination

[tough haven]

And my ass is not gonna buy it just for the fluff

[storm jungle]

Cant wait for that to get destroyed later

[arctic talon]

A discovery was made when they did gene seed testing

lol

[rose thorn]

oh wow

[arctic talon]

since the Phalanx was orbiting their homeworld

and they needed to do some testing for stability issues

turns out its not Dorns lol

[rose thorn]

smh gw when is my chapter getting a lore update

[tough haven]

I get most of my stuff from mothtrove, but it doesn’t have it

[rose thorn]

(my chapter is homebrew)

[dusk patrol]

My favorite part of the Leviathan book was some random shield captain killing the Swarmlord in an excerpt offscreen. Felt so offhand and disrespectful.

[arctic talon]

Iron Angels 💀

I have not heard good things about the Leviathan book

ngl

[dusk patrol]

It’s ok, it’s not bad

[arctic talon]

I see

[tough haven]

Anna’s archive only has the kill teams

[dusk patrol]

It’s not much but Nid stuff is always pretty basic

[storm jungle]

Its alright for lore

its just basic and goes nowhere

[arctic talon]

I think reading Indomitus was like

[rose thorn]

swarmlord, icon of khaine (or what ever its calle din 40k), drukhari

[arctic talon]

my biggest fucking mistake

[storm jungle]

"heroic imperials stand against the alien tide" shit

usual stuff

[tough haven]

Anyone here actually have the crusade books?

[rose thorn]

ilu griffith- i mean fulgrim but you cant choke lava to death

[storm jungle]

Not me

[rose thorn]

nope

[storm jungle]

that one was just wild tbh

[raven stone]

The lore I will have for my Agents force is…it is, quite literally, an Inquisitor that gets sick of being brutal police agent, so he signs up with a Rogue Trader (with the pretence of “monitoring” them) that is actually a PMC that runs around fighting minor skirmishes that the Imperium bureaucracy fails to mobilize to care about.

[arctic talon]

jobbers: Swarmlord, Avatar of Khaine, Space Marine SGT. in terminator armor, Adeptus Mechanicus, Sisters of Battle, Celestine(poor celestine lol), Exodites

I can't think of anyone else

[dusk patrol]

You made your inquisitor a cop?

[arctic talon]

Celestine is the Imperiums #1 jobber

she's immortal so

time to die

[rose thorn]

honestly, you COULD, get palatine enforcers and run them as a planatery defense force in agents

[raven stone]

No, but Inquisition job is pretty much state sec secret police…

[arctic talon]

Though the Mechanicus and Sisters of Battle

stopped being jobbers after they got codexes

[raven stone]

It is a tempting conversion

[rose thorn]

they are the same abase size

[dusk patrol]

The real worst jobber in the setting

[arctic talon]

lol

[dusk patrol]

Is the Imperator Titan

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

and palatine enforcers and space cops have the sam equipment

[dusk patrol]

There’s nothing else that hasn’t gotten to win

Once

[arctic talon]

Imperator Titans literally die like

in every apperance

[rose thorn]

not even a conversion tbh

[arctic talon]

excluding Dies Irae

[rose thorn]

its just a box

[arctic talon]

they don't fucking count

[dusk patrol]

And he exists to die later

[arctic talon]

Palanite enforcers are in flak armor akshully 🤓

[rose thorn]

fuck you die die die die

[arctic talon]

Dies Irae dies in the first book they show up in

lol

[rose thorn]

they have special flak armor

that makes htem have a 4+

[dusk patrol]

It is in the name I guess

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/design-eyes-special-eyes-special-gif-8137439

[raven stone]

But the most insane conversion

Is to have you Rogue Trader outfit her own PMC

[rose thorn]

literally how cna you NOT run her as am inquistior

[raven stone]

With Solar Aux armour.

[dusk patrol]

But yes Palantine enforcers would be a good choice

[rose thorn]

she is perfect

[arctic talon]

Police brutality dog

[rocky gale]

Unfortunately she’s resin

[rose thorn]

police brutality gun

[rose thorn]

yeah but so is all of necromunda's characters

at least none of their full kits are

[rocky gale]

I know

[rose thorn]

like

full gangs

[arctic talon]

Resin isn't that bad

tbh]

[rocky gale]

FW resin is

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld just has really shit QC

for some reason

[rose thorn]

cyber mastiffs are apparently an optional unit too

i mean

model

wtf did the dog do

[raven stone]

Still waiting for a Spyrer release

To hijack as a Rogue Trader

(Not the Orrus sadly)

[arctic talon]

the dog is cannon fodder just like in killteam

next question

[rose thorn]

why did gw break the necormunda section again

[arctic talon]

idk

their new website sucks lol

the dog is kind of useful in killteam

[rocky gale]

The new paint section kills me everytime

[arctic talon]

because of the bite attack but like

who gives a shit

[rocky gale]

The old one was so good

[arctic talon]

you use send it in to go die

lol

you do not expect the poor dog to survive at all

dogs in Warhammer have kind of always just been cannon fodder

[storm jungle]

not much different from war dogs IRL tbh

💀

[dusk patrol]

Or dogs in most of the world being real

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I cannot think of a single dog in any interation of killteam or warhammer 40k thats been useful beyond go in and die

[storm jungle]

lore accurate i guess???

[arctic talon]

this is excluding shit like fleshhounds

those things are not dogs

💀

[storm jungle]

they are you meanie

[dusk patrol]

Just wait until we get the titan Killteam

[arctic talon]

On the otherhand if by some miracle the Arbite dog survives a round of combat with a marine

it can bite onto the marines arm

and constantly cause damage

[dusk patrol]

The Warhound will have revenge

[arctic talon]

until the dog dies lol

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

heres all teh weapons in the basic paltaines kit

[storm jungle]

the average U.S police armory, based

[rose thorn]

PFf

[dusk patrol]

Only 2 stub guns with flight lights is amusing for some reason

[rose thorn]

i ahve no clue why one kit is made into 3 different squads

[rose thorn]

for guys without helmets i guess?

[dusk patrol]

Just an aesthetic thing also I think

[rose thorn]

honestly i guess its just the vibe of hcoice tbh

[dusk patrol]

Can I pet that daawwwwwggg

[arctic talon]

Sure

let me just turn on the bodycam

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/pitbull-owner-get-outofthe-car-dog-animal-gif-11871504

[rocky gale]

In AoS half the Cities Warcy team is dogs

[storm jungle]

I love those fucking things

they are so cute

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

LOOK AT THEM

[dusk patrol]

Also, benefit is when they die in combat, good eating that night

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[rose thorn]

<3333

[arctic talon]

They're adorable

[rocky gale]

Goodest of boys

[dusk patrol]

ITS WHAT MR SNUGGLES WOULD HAVE WANTED

[rose thorn]

the main guy has an ability where every dog does a shit laod of damage too

[rose thorn]

thats if you get it before eveyr animal in a 3 mile radius smells th eblood in ghur

[rose thorn]

LOVE HIMMMMM

[storm jungle]

homie fights a literal god and sics his dog on it

[rose thorn]

Spoilers: ||so sad he is dead||

[storm jungle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rose thorn]

||yea, unless hes not dead suddenly lol||

[plush mason]

dude used a literally starter club to kill a god, talk about a G

[rose thorn]

||but there is a rare random encounter where you fight a ghoul and a dog||

[storm jungle]

Bruh that is fucked up

lmao

[rose thorn]

yea

[storm jungle]

could b e worse i guess 💀

[rose thorn]

let me double check tho

[arctic talon]

I love houndmaster

[rose thorn]

||ITS WORST THE DOG IS NAMED||

[arctic talon]

I think its just a reference

but also

could be Antiquarian lmao

[storm jungle]

Bountyhunter also takes the cake

About to take his life to fight a chaos god

[arctic talon]

I think its funny how much more evil they made her look

[storm jungle]

All he says is "Hm."

[arctic talon]

just by changing her hairstyle

in DD2