#40k-lore-chat

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fallen plaza
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Yipee!

shadow plover
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IDF moment

storm jungle
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LOL

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CHRIST

storm jungle
fallen plaza
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Real

shell mason
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I plead the fifth Mind_Blown

queen laurel
shadow plover
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If I suddenly go quiet it's because the Mossad got to me because of that joke

fallen plaza
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Teehee

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In here before someone apologizes because they keep mixing up the two

queen laurel
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fuck it who is the warhammer character that has the closest mustache to hitler

storm jungle
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LMAO STOP

hallow saddle
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đŸ„±Warhammer the Horus heresy đŸ„±

dusk patrol
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Yes I also dislike popular thing

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Less popular other thing is much cooler and better, frfr.

storm jungle
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The Sloppus Heresy

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🙏

shell mason
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"This luger will send a Christian to hell." - The Emperor of mankind

storm jungle
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worst part is that is accurate

near wasp
shell mason
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yee

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Yk what makes me think

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A Lasgun never jams

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but in the hammer and bolter animated show, it did

storm jungle
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Well yeah its a gun

shell mason
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think about that

storm jungle
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if its inner functions get fucked it wont work

dusk patrol
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They can jam it’s just not common

storm jungle
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^

dusk patrol
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They’re notoriously reliable

storm jungle
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they are basically 40k's AK-47

dusk patrol
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But that doesn’t mean unjammable

shell mason
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So your saying GW lied to me?

dusk patrol
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There’s even rules in the RPG for if you roll bad enough to jam, you roll a 1d10, and only on a 10 does it actually jam

shell mason
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that's crazy

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Crazy cuz that's nerd stuff

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This chat is deader than dead

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so I'll ask this

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Even morty had the look to get people to follow him, what are ya'll thoughts?

dusk patrol
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He kinda saved them so idk

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Primarchs are good at being charismatic when they wanna be

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People look for different leadership qualities in people

shell mason
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Look at pre Big E morty

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he was a pretty cool dude

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well less of a ass hole

storm jungle
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People will follow a leader type person for almost any reason

spring cairn
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anyone would follow someone who's like 8 meters tall

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and giga jacked

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rules of nature

dusk patrol
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This 12 foot tall giant shows up, says he wants to kill the evil sorcerer overlords who kill, rape, and torture your people, and he can actually do it

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And you’re surprised why he was able to win people over?

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He’s notable for still having a functional legion after the heresy, he basically has the eternal loyalty of the Barabans, and that translates into the newer recruits often too

crystal forum
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who thought it was a good idea to make the nurgle guy the reaper incarnate

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i thought nurgle was all about shitty life and all that

arctic talon
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Nurgle is life and death

crystal forum
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i guess

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would have been cool if there was more than 4 chaos gods is all im sayin

dusk patrol
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Would be cool if you got some bitches

arctic talon
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I mean there are(sort of)

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there absolutely are in WHFB and AoS

crystal forum
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not sure about you

dusk patrol
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Your mom is busy unfortunately

crystal forum
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thankfully your dad isn't

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going to a nice restaurant with him

crystal forum
arctic talon
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like just chaos gods?

dusk patrol
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At least 5

arctic talon
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or like gods

crystal forum
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what's the difference

arctic talon
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I mean the chaos gods are chaosy

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they have daemons and stuff

storm jungle
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nothing minus them sometimes taking active part in battles sometimes

arctic talon
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normal gods generally don't have daemons

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in AoS

storm jungle
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Khorne once smashed a sorceror city out of the sky because he thought they were cowards

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lmao

crystal forum
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so those golden guys arent demons

storm jungle
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who?

arctic talon
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yeah

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stormcast are like chaos warriors

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order edition

storm jungle
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Oh lol

crystal forum
storm jungle
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No

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stormcasts got their own units/ranks/champions

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just like any army

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Instead of (mostly) cutting you apart like chaos warriors though

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they instead smash your brains in with hammers

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big difference i know

crystal forum
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that's pretty based

storm jungle
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yeah half their weaponry is blunt weapons because sigmar/warhammer

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they dont acknowledge this much but its pretty brutal lmao

arctic talon
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But for Chaos Gods: The Big 4, Hashut, The Great Horned Rat, Necoho, The Great Gatherer, Devourer of Existence, Ever-Raging Flame

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these ones are the confirmed ones to exist

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the last 3 just have titles because the warcry warbands are too stupid to know more are worshipping minor chaos gods

crystal forum
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god damn 40k chaos is boring compared to this

arctic talon
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Necoho could honestly be removed from the list

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bro is mentioned in like a single story in AoS

crystal forum
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is malal a thing in aos

arctic talon
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Malice prolly exists

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maybe?

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Malal doesn't exist

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Oh also Vashtor

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exists in AoS lol

dusk patrol
arctic talon
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He's the "unknown master of the forge of souls"

crystal forum
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sugmar

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I ABJURE THEE

arctic talon
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Jokes aside for 40k chaos gods we have

arctic talon
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The Big 4, Vashtor(sorta), The Raptor God(whatever the fuck it is), and the rest of the Atheric domain stuff from horus heresy

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I'm not pulling up because I'm lazy

dusk patrol
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This really Marshals the Men

arctic talon
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For normal gods holy shit there's way too many gods in AoS

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I am not naming them all you can google them yourself lol

storm jungle
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it helps that they mostly kept most of the WHF gods to some degree too

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the variety is great

dusk patrol
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Most of them are bitches anyways

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GRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMNNNNNNIIIIIRRRRR

storm jungle
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💀

arctic talon
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I forgot

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are Synessa and Dexcessa minor chaos gods

storm jungle
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Nah

arctic talon
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because of how Slaanesh "birthed" them from Morathis fuck up of the century

dusk patrol
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They’re legal

celest dome
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Just greater daemon

crystal forum
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genuine question, do dwarves run fast

arctic talon
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alright

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just really big greater daemons

arctic talon
celest dome
dusk patrol
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That being said

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Slayers aren’t slow

arctic talon
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^

crystal forum
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do their units have less movement on tabletop

arctic talon
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they can jump still

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Yes

dusk patrol
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They just tend to leap

arctic talon
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Dwarfs big gimmick on the WHFB tabletop

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is that they're slow as shit

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and reliable

crystal forum
dusk patrol
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Somehow yes

celest dome
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Table top wise and Total War have them be the slowliest marcher and hitter.

arctic talon
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in AoS Cities of Sigmar dwarfs are very durable and slow

dusk patrol
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Slayers are a unique case

arctic talon
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Khadron are fast for dwarfs

dusk patrol
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Most dwarves are wearing a lot of gear

arctic talon
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this is excluding their boats

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their boats are fast as shit and you will regret the horde of angry flying dwarfs descending upon you

dusk patrol
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Ironbreakers armor is too heavy for most races

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Same with their weapons often

crystal forum
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so pro tip for avoiding angry dwarf is running away, got it

storm jungle
arctic talon
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I mean they have guns

storm jungle
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💀

dusk patrol
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Hope he doesn’t have a gun

arctic talon
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Khadron in AoS have laser guns

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lol

crystal forum
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i didnt account for this

dusk patrol
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Their firearms aren’t known for missing

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Some have actual implied aimbot

arctic talon
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There is one thing dwarf firearms are known for, accuracy and reliability

dusk patrol
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Through runes and shit

arctic talon
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If you want a big fucking boomstick go get a human gun

celest dome
spring cairn
arctic talon
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Dwarfs will be selling the same guns their grandpa sold 500 years ago

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Maybe with slightly newer materials

crystal forum
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but they cant ride all the rollercoasters at six flags

arctic talon
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you book

dusk patrol
celest dome
dusk patrol
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Spears

spring cairn
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axe+spear my beloved

arctic talon
spring cairn
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wfb understood that

spring cairn
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yeah but they're on these boring guys

storm jungle
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"boring"

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christ

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lmao

dusk patrol
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It won’t load so I have to assume Dilara posting unrelated stuff

arctic talon
storm jungle
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Undead my beloved

spring cairn
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1 handed halberd

arctic talon
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He's simply built better

storm jungle
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Cities of Sigmar also cant really look like Empire men-at-arms or GW will get mad.

arctic talon
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also the Cities of Sigmar use halberds

storm jungle
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Hence the more forced distinctiveness

arctic talon
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💀

storm jungle
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SHUT THE FUCK UP

arctic talon
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landsknecht drip never dies

spring cairn
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the best thing ever made

arctic talon
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CoS suffer from tabletop syndrome

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lol

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which is wow so much variety in lore

spring cairn
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Cos minis don't have halberds do they ?

arctic talon
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looks at the model range fucks sake

spring cairn
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because yeah sure in lore they have any medieval weapon available am sure

arctic talon
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Yeah not on the minis unfortunately

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they're easy to kitbash on though

spring cairn
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they should've never ditched the landsknetch

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t'was the best thing about fantasy

crystal forum
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but my swords

arctic talon
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unfortunately this was because of GW's new attempt to make everything only be in 1 system

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which is

spring cairn
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empire had sword and shields too

arctic talon
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annoying

dusk patrol
storm jungle
spring cairn
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and they also had the best type of sword in all of history

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the zweihander

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or the flameberge depending on how schizo you are

spring cairn
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can't wait for the mini

outer wave
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Ah yes, the warbly sword

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Wobble sword

arctic talon
storm jungle
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its peak

spring cairn
storm jungle
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Ehhh

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I like the direction still

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they did it since europe-soup is better for WHF, they need a better identity to look different for AOS.

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This is the same company that ditched an entire unit line because star wars was using the same name

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so lol

arctic talon
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tbh its really easy to make kitbashes of like

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that style thankfully

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since its a historical styled mini

spring cairn
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landsknecth in fantasy was unique enough

storm jungle
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I mean

spring cairn
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it's a downgrade to me but it's up to personnal taste

storm jungle
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its done to look different like i said, not much to do about it

arctic talon
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also another design for Cities of Sigmar Freeguilds that don't have minis lol

storm jungle
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Lmao that one love it

arctic talon
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it looks like an unfucked up version of the stuff the Deathrattle skeletons wear

storm jungle
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they also prob thought kids would get confused about settings using the same aesthetic for both its human factions

crystal forum
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wait there's skeletons in aos???

dusk patrol
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Cities of Sigmars current identity is looking like shit

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(This is mostly a joke)

storm jungle
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IM GONNA TURN YOU INTO A FUCKING SKELETON

dusk patrol
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Jay I think at this point it’s harassment and I will be filing a complaint with HR

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No one’s this dumb

arctic talon
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I still really like this art of the Dawnbringer Crusades

dusk patrol
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Yeah that stuffs dope

arctic talon
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horde of angry human, elves and dwarfs

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going to murder chaos and set up a new city

storm jungle
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the fact that everyone is willingly there too is even funnier since theres no slave labor lmao

dusk patrol
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The execution is just, eh doesn’t do it for me

arctic talon
spring cairn
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how are the steampunk dwarfs doing btw

crystal forum
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just the boys working together

storm jungle
arctic talon
storm jungle
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usual stuff

arctic talon
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lore wise

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incredibly rich

storm jungle
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LOL

spring cairn
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i mean lore wise and range wise

arctic talon
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they're prolly one of the most fleshed out 2e armies range wise and lore wise

storm jungle
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They are faring pretty well on both yeah

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they also benefit from like

crystal forum
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spoidy man

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the mets

storm jungle
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Blanche having done the design on some of their range

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before he retired

spring cairn
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good because it's the best thing of AOS

arctic talon
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this guy still goes hard

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Bro is ready to play a game of Crusade in 9e

storm jungle
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The mics on the side complete it

crystal forum
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book man

dusk patrol
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Roll up on the sky dock with my Glock

spring cairn
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i love dwarfs and these guys are 100 levels above the fyreslayers

arctic talon
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also they're the only AoS faction who gets to do drive by shootings

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on the tabletop lol

crystal forum
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guy's got a pocket sized elephant gun

dusk patrol
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Fyreslayers are just

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Terrible for me

spring cairn
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just not good

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yeah

dusk patrol
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Slayers were cool but not as like

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A whole thing

storm jungle
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nobody likes em

arctic talon
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I think like

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most people don't like them

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I like a few of their minis but

storm jungle
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"most" is being generous

arctic talon
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so many are just bad

spring cairn
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they would be cool if the minis had cocks

storm jungle
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what the FU-

crystal forum
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so true

arctic talon
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I think the big Fyreslayer paint style I like is the like

dusk patrol
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It take what’s cool about slayers and makes them just a normal army

arctic talon
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they're made out of stone

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and stuff one

dusk patrol
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Also girls, icky

arctic talon
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Mfw women exist

spring cairn
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fyreslayer going up the stairs, you hear a thud each steps he takes

dusk patrol
arctic talon
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BEEG gun

storm jungle
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I love their guns so much

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literally all of these are some wack ass shit

dusk patrol
arctic talon
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I sincerely hope they're allowed to keep the drive by shooting rule

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in AoS 4e

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literally one of the funniest fucking things ever

storm jungle
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The balloon-riding grindset wont stop

arctic talon
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Elf and dwarf ranges for cities need some help lol

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They’ve had like 2 new minis ever and both were for side games

storm jungle
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They will get drafted back to WHF hopefully

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they need their playdough minis back

arctic talon
forest orbit
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what was the Aetheric Domains in 30k again i forgor....

storm jungle
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arent they like unnamed unalligned daemons

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Samus from Metroid is one of them

spring cairn
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she really fell off damn

dusk patrol
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Samus is aligned I think actually

storm jungle
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Hes grey

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you know what that means

forest orbit
storm jungle
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I still cant believe they did that time bullshit where Samus' origin point is from Loken's death

forest orbit
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I just kinda lost the plot at that point tbh

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same with uhh the fuck was his name Grammaticus going back in time or some shit to set up the clues for the future

storm jungle
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GOD

forest orbit
storm jungle
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I hate time travel.
I hate time travel.
I hate time travel.
I hate time travel.

arctic talon
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Why are you skull emojing it

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Smh

dusk patrol
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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He got that Scooby Doo live action movie monster in him

storm jungle
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he really does, shitty CGI included

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wow its literally the same thing minus the muscles lmfao

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I hate it

arctic talon
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I am the end and the death

storm jungle
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SHUT UP

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SHUT UP

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AAAAA

wraith quartz
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We have some unfinished business

storm jungle
celest dome
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No deals. Business hours are over 😮

storm jungle
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What answers can we torture you with today

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đŸ«”

celest dome
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Mutually assured torture Guarded

wraith quartz
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First off, recap:
‱ At the beginning of the Space Age, Humanity was getting pretty chill at their peak.
‱ Then the Warp got FUNKY, and ruined everyone's vibes.
‱ Through the destabilization of Society, untold horrors of the cosmos, humanity was barely clinging to existence
‱ Then along came the Emperor. Through Manifest destiny and conquest, he reunited Holy Terra. Began the great Crusade.

shell mason
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Go on

wraith quartz
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So Era wise we should be viewing the Golden Age, rn

storm jungle
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Golden Age/DAOT is earlier

shell mason
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Mhm

wraith quartz
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Hmmm, hmm loregryn

storm jungle
shell mason
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Idk dates

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I only know events in order

wraith quartz
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Ah, ok loregryn

storm jungle
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thats events in order

outer wave
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"Beginning of the Dark Age of Technology."

6000 years later
"Beginning of the Dark Age of Technology."

storm jungle
outer wave
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That makes sense

storm jungle
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Lexi does what it can best to pinpoint stuff in a general area

wraith quartz
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Right, so before the Heresy, what did humanity itself do, to contribute for the Emperor?

shell mason
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Old ones
Pre robo necrons
War/death of Necrons
Meet the Ctan
Robo Necrons
War in heaven
Birth of Korks and Eldar
Necrons sleep

wraith quartz
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Hmm, mmmh loregryn

storm jungle
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they spread forth in crusade fleets, found humans/aliens, if humans complied they integrated them to the Imperium, if they said no they exterminated them.

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Then they become a part of the Imperium and basically do what any imperial world does today

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Rule the planet, give yoru resources to the tithe, send it back to terra, etc

wraith quartz
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So, was the Administratum and the Elyssiarchy established during the Crusade?

shell mason
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Eldar destroy Korks
Korks go to Orks
Eldar become dark Eldar
Birth of Slannesh
Eldar Near extinction
Humanity

storm jungle
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the Ecclesiarchy was established way after the Emperor was put on the throne

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the Administratum was made just before the Great Crusade

wraith quartz
shell mason
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Mass suicide of psykers going into one being called the Emperor
The Emperor lives and manipulates humanity at times

wraith quartz
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So in terms of Hierarchy, with the Emperor at the top. What the chain of command for the Administratum and the Imperium itself?

shell mason
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Humanity goes nearly to extinction

storm jungle
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basically every adepta of the Imperium has some modicum of great power

shell mason
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The Emperor makes himself knows and actively starts leading man

storm jungle
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the Administratum itself though is definitely one of the founding and strongest pillars since they handle every kind of administration stuff in the Imperium

shell mason
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Mhm

storm jungle
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even if their department is a fucking disaster

shell mason
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But then theres more shit

wraith quartz
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Ahh, loregryn

shell mason
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way before the great crusade

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Chaos gods doing fuck shit

wraith quartz
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So who's the "Head" head of the Administratum?

shell mason
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Big E

wraith quartz
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Outside of the Emperor of course

shell mason
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Malcador

storm jungle
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before he uh

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bit the dust

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literally

shell mason
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Sat on that golden seat

storm jungle
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now its just the Head of the Administratum

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i forgot his title

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hold on

shell mason
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I got it

storm jungle
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Master of the Administratum (incumbent: Violeta Roskavler)

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creative title i know

wraith quartz
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Ooh, makes sense then loregryn

shell mason
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don't forget the high lords of terra

wraith quartz
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Right, so with theGreat Crusade underway, uniting Humanity across the Cosmos, bolstering the ever growing Imperium. There was something else brewing in the Shadows

shell mason
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yes

wraith quartz
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A "Heretical" temptation

shell mason
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Yes

wraith quartz
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Right, there's a lot that went down during the HORUS HERESY, so I want to keep it in the view point of humanity (excluding the space marine for that's all whole 'nother discussion for another time). First question: before the events of the "Heresy" kicked off, did humanity itself encounter new threats from the Warp?

celest dome
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They had various face of with Chaos Cultists and even some Daemon. But it was quite rare

shell mason
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Yes and No

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The warp itself is pure emotion nearly

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Before everything kicked off the warp was calm as hell

wraith quartz
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Ahh, uhh loregryn

celest dome
shell mason
wraith quartz
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Hmm loregryn

celest dome
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That doesn't really answers Penitent's question

shell mason
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True

celest dome
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Like saying did we use guns in WW1.
No in the Medieval era we didn't use guns...

shell mason
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But in long short everything was semi lowkey before the heresy

wraith quartz
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It's like a yes or no question, if humanity encountered demons or not when the warp grew more unstable.

shell mason
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When the Heresy kicked off

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it was like pouring gasoline on a small flame

celest dome
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There were daemons world before the Great crusade

wraith quartz
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During the Heresy, humanity was put into a schism between siding with Horus, claiming to be the next ruler of humanity, and remaining loyal to the Emperor.

shell mason
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Mhm

wraith quartz
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Those who sided with Horus had clear enough "grudges' they held to themselves towards the Imperium.

shell mason
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Also know as the Traitors and Loyalists

wraith quartz
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Right

shell mason
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Mhm including Primarchs

crystal forum
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the primarchs were the ones with the grudges and shit. the astartes just followed suit or went against the grain

shell mason
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Astartes where torn between their gene fathers and the Emperor

wraith quartz
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If I remember correctly, The Militarum and the Navy was one whole Military before the Heresy.

crystal forum
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you have the occasional main character astartes who has his reasons but mostly it's the primarchs

tulip brook
crystal forum
shell mason
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the militarum was alot more together before the heresy

crystal forum
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they hardly had any choice

wraith quartz
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Hmm, mmh.

shell mason
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The Heresy was the reason why there's so many divisions in the militarum

crystal forum
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also back then it was called imperial guard but that's a dumb thing

shell mason
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Since it was more compact every primarch had everything

crystal forum
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it's important to remember that chapters back then were entire armies

shell mason
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Giving the war more even ground making it why it took so long

crystal forum
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they had tank detachments and everything

shell mason
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Exactly

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For that question

wraith quartz
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So how much did the Imperium lose, when half of the Guard turned traitor during the "Heresy"

crystal forum
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not much in terms of guardsmen since they're disposable

wraith quartz
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In terms of planetary territory..

crystal forum
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losing astartes chapters to chaos was a much bigger loss

shell mason
crystal forum
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no specific numbers

wraith quartz
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Oh loregryn

shell mason
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some planets even nuking themselves just so it won't turn traitor

wraith quartz
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From what I bluntly know, the war was so bad it was basically on lead into Holy Terra itself.

shell mason
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Yes

crystal forum
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it literally ended on terra

shell mason
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Thanks to dirty perty

storm jungle
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it reached it s climax in this small event called the Siege of Terra

crystal forum
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a slight disturbance

shell mason
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THE END OF THE DEATH

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However it truly ended with Hawkboys death and the fight with horus and the Emperor

wraith quartz
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How were they able to hold them off for that long??

shell mason
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Fight like hell

crystal forum
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dan abnett was writing the book

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they had to wait

shell mason
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Hawkboy literally got beat like a disobedient dog

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Half of his face gone

crystal forum
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you talking about sanguinius?

shell mason
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mhm

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Hanging on like a mask

crystal forum
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hawkboy is corvus tho

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smh

shell mason
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Sanguinius has the wings tho

storm jungle
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the planet itself was literally sliding into the Warp lol

shell mason
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rip Cadia

wraith quartz
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Oh staregryn

crystal forum
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then horus died and suddenly every traitor is killable

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yup just like that

storm jungle
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They were always killable

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they just even started respawning

crystal forum
#

not for the plot

storm jungle
#

which is hilarious

crystal forum
#

also epic yu gi yo battle

wraith quartz
#

I don't know if it is a pure rumor/speculation, but I've heard that a lone guardsmen was able to keep off Horus from the Emperor...

shell mason
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However the most disgusting thing I seen was in the story beside the deamonculaba was the creation of the first noise marine

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the concert itself was....chilling to say the least

storm jungle
#

he instantly got smashed to shit

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he also wasnt a guardsman

crystal forum
#

that guy literally has 3 difference stories

storm jungle
#

Well no

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he has one story

crystal forum
#

olyadus pius or something

storm jungle
#

we are shown its propaganda

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and muddled storytelling

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Oll Persson is his name

shell mason
crystal forum
#

astra militarum coping to the highest degree

crystal forum
#

he actually killed horus

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with a laspistol

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yup

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got a lucky roll

hallow basin
#

god roll on the laspistol, yeah

shell mason
storm jungle
#

rip bozo

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dingus should have aimed for the face

wraith quartz
#

Right long story short:
Horus wanted to be the Big Dog used demons and stuff to bolster his strength. Half of the Imperial Guard went traitor, willing or not. The fight went on and on until the last match was on Holy Terra, with Humanity on the cusp of destruction. Plot reasons, Imperium makes a comeback, Horus takes a fat L, then the Emperor sits forever more on the Golden Throne. Thus ending the "Heresy" and the "brightside" of the Imperium.

storm jungle
#

Thats a very big oversimplification but more or less

wraith quartz
#

Now the Dark Ages. Or the Dark Imperium or whatever they're called...

celest dome
#

Dark Age of Technology/Golden Age

wraith quartz
#

Oh, I was off, sorry about that...

shell mason
wraith quartz
#

So after the "Heresy". How badly fucked up was the Imperium?

storm jungle
#

Extremely more or less

shell mason
storm jungle
#

they split apart all their institutions so rebellion wouldnt be as easy like the Heresy in any of them, the Imperial religion took hold, things got more hectic etc

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also there was the Scouring of the rest of the traitors

wraith quartz
shell mason
#

There's is a story about a AI from earlier came into modern 40k

wraith quartz
shell mason
#

It called humanity senial and nothing like its masters before hand

storm jungle
#

the green section is post heresy

wraith quartz
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But that's another story for later

shell mason
#

Literally said they were on the verge of Ascendence and now to the point of worms

wraith quartz
#

Timeline wise. After the Emperor's initialization to his Life Support. To Big factions came to be. Through his selfless sacrifice for Humanity and theCleansing of the Heretic Traitors, the Emperor Ascended to God-ship. Those who witnessed such Glory worshiped him with dogmatic fanatic-tism, for this new cult shall forever be known as the Elyssiarchy. Remaining ever so loyal to the "*** God Emperor of Mankind***"!!! While most went to revel in his god-hood and beg for repentance. Others formed a new order to vanguard against new threats that will come within and without. Through this secrecy the Inquisition came forth, as the last line of defense for the Imperium.

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......

Right during the Rebirth of the Imperium, what new threats did humanity have to face now?

storm jungle
#

same as usual; Chaos, Aliens, Itself etc

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its all just setup for the 40k we generally know

wraith quartz
#

Huh... Ok. loregryn

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Hold on lemme look at my topic points...

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.....
Ok almost nearing the end of the large topic discussion. Let's talk about new vendettas and what's becoming of humanity (as a whole, and about the mutants)

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.....

So we know that the Imperium is Racially Xenophobic. How did that happen/escalate? Was there a big war with one of the Xenos that wanted to wipe us out?

storm jungle
#

It basically spawned how it has IRL, just rampant propaganda, fear of things they dont understand etc. There was about as many peaceful aliens as much as hostile ones during the Age of Strife, the Emperor just made sure the flames for it soared more and post 30k it reached a boiling point with the formation of the Ecclesiarchy even when the Imperium almost always creates its own problems.

wraith quartz
#

Uh huh loregryn

storm jungle
#

The xenophobia also applies to other humans too essentially since the entire Imperial mentality is "you are with us or against us"

wraith quartz
#

Ooooh loregryn

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Now the Warp. After the Heresy, how much of a consistent threat did the warp and the "creatures" from the Warp come to be?

storm jungle
#

Constant and never-ending

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Humans worship chaos almost on every imperial planet more or less

wraith quartz
#

Oh staregryn

storm jungle
#

Plot twist, the Imperium is kinda terrible and gives birth to these things lol

#

sometimes cults get culled sometimes they dont

#

♻

wraith quartz
storm jungle
#

their competance varies due to it

wraith quartz
#

Yea Sitgryn

#

Right so the "Mutants" how long have been with Humanity? Were they with us since the beginning of were they a new thing to deal with?

arctic talon
#

Mutants were around during the DAOT presumably

wraith quartz
#

Oh loregryn

storm jungle
#

physical deformaties/mutations also exist today too so lol

wraith quartz
#

And they're a result of a human gene mutation?

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Due to hazardous influences

storm jungle
#

its genetic, from the environment itself or warp related

wraith quartz
#

Oh loregryn

storm jungle
#

the firstt two are also the general IRL reasons for it

wraith quartz
#

From what I bluntly understand. We hate "Mutants" for they are dangerous. So how many mutants do we know of, and how many are we "supposedly" ok with?

#

I know Orgryns and Psykers are Mutants...

#

If there's a considerable range...

storm jungle
#

Mutants that are "ok" are labelled as abhumans (abnormal humans) and put to work as auxillaries elsewhere where they dont really get any say in what they do, so more or less just glorified slave soldiers and other things.

wraith quartz
#

Oh

arctic talon
#

Second class citizen

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at best lol

storm jungle
#

Second class is being generous

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lmfao

wraith quartz
#

Kinda of what the "Loner" says mid-mission, "Just so long as you have a use for the Imperium, you won't be too terribly treated." Or something like that.

storm jungle
#

Yeah pretty much

#

if you want the hypocrisies of the Imperium pointed out the Loner is great for that

wraith quartz
#

I picked him because of the funny accent, but yea...

storm jungle
#

💀

wraith quartz
#

....
So do we have a list of known "Abhumans"?

storm jungle
#

Yeah

wraith quartz
#

Outside the Psyskers and Ogryns?

storm jungle
wraith quartz
storm jungle
#

You really need to pick up reading the lexi

wraith quartz
#

When I'm done having discussions of said specific topics. I'll read them as well.

storm jungle
wraith quartz
#

Ok, crash course time: From the mutants that I relatively know and heard of... I want a crash course summary of the relatively popular "Abhumans" and will probably ask some questions about them.

storm jungle
#

Psykers are just people born with magic powers

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Ogryns are people from high gravity worlds that get gigantism

#

Ratlings are just hobbit snipers

wraith quartz
#

Ah loregryn

storm jungle
#

Beastmen are people born with animalistic mutations

#

uhhh who else

#

đŸ—’ïž

rose thorn
#

cat boys

storm jungle
#

no

rose thorn
#

ok

wraith quartz
rose thorn
#

fr tho you forgot navigators

#

my favorite abhumans

storm jungle
#

Incest lore

snow fern
#

Habsburg minmaxing you mean

wraith quartz
# storm jungle Psykers are just people born with magic powers

Psykers are a whole can of Kraevalar (space worms that I made up in my head) so that's a discussion topic I want to look into some other time. All I know is that they've been here since the Space Age, gets powers from the Warp, and Either blows up or become FUNKY (Possessed)

snow fern
#

Being a psyker sounds fun at first, but then you pull out that Walgreens receipt of bad things that happen to psykers and it's like yah

wraith quartz
#

Right so Ogryns

#

They're from high gravity planets that gained a mutation of Gigantism...

#

How long have we had 'em for? How long can they live? (without dying in combat)

storm jungle
#

More or less as long as people have inhabited high gravity worlds, they were around in 30k as well.

#

And they live about as much as normal people, they are still humans.

snow fern
#

I imagine they can live as long as any other person with access to whatever magic life extending meds exist in the setting

storm jungle
#

Yeah again they are just human.

#

so not much difference biology wise minus the gigantism

wraith quartz
#

So are naturally (whispers) "Slow".

storm jungle
#

Slow?

wraith quartz
storm jungle
#

You mean they are dumb?

#

they arent naturally born like that

#

they are manipulated to stay dumb by the Imperium

#

its why they act like children

celest dome
#

While it's impossible to fairly qualify the intelligence of Ogryns. It's highly probable that it stem more from them not being taught stuff rather than mental limits

wraith quartz
#

Ok, what about the metal bits that are implanted in their brain?

storm jungle
#

those are boneheads, only they get enhancements

celest dome
#

Bonehead implant don't make them "smart" or even "smarter"

storm jungle
#

Yeah they legit got no idea how a high gravity world would affect a person

#

You'd also become shorter, not bigger

wraith quartz
#

Ok, so in terms of Legends. Who is the most legendary Ogryns known in 40k?

arctic talon
#

Nork Deddog

wraith quartz
#

Hhhhhmmmmm loregryn

#

We'll talk more tomorrow, gtgt work

hallow saddle
#

nork deddog is a true legend of the imperium

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i watched a tabletop tactics game and he finished off the game by headbutting Vashtorr to death

#

very legendary

storm jungle
#

hes THE ogryn of all time

timber falcon
#

I'm a little curious on the ranks of our characters! Like I know there are Inquisitorial Agents but that's not exactly a rank right?

#

Or like a level 30 characters rank

arctic talon
#

We’re agents of the inquisitor

crystal forum
#

yeah we're outside any organized rank system

#

it's whatever system our inquisitor is using

storm jungle
#

Acolyte is in the organized rank system

storm jungle
# timber falcon I'm a little curious on the ranks of our characters! Like I know there are Inqui...

Its kind of a rank, Agent of the Throne/Acolyte is basically what we are at the moment, once you go past Level 30 your reject has the chance to mention that they have taken the Hereticus Oath and have become a proper part of the warband, anyone that doesnt meet the standard/dies in the field tends to be just a normal penal troop at that point. We are still referred to as Rejectsâ„ąïž but its more of a poster line at this point more than anything else.

#

Especially since compared to the launch missions we are at this point undertaking operations that would only be given to trustworthy agents in particular.

timber falcon
#

Thank you so much! I've been having a bit trouble with lore for my character so this helps a lot!

storm jungle
#

No problem 👍

#

People meme that we are "basically homeless people" when thats never been really the case, every reject personality you select minus maybe the zealots/psykers have proper military background and training to some degree

timber falcon
arctic talon
#

At the very least the savant was an enforcer

#

They don’t yell stop resisting when using the shock maul though

#

Real shame

timber falcon
#

I am curious though in the eyes of let's say a regular guardsmen what would the social concept be? Would it be disgust looking down upon a "reject" or would it be more like looking up to a superior?

arctic talon
#

We’d be their superior at level 30

#

Before that an inferior since penal soldier

storm jungle
#

You can take a guess from how the normal ship operatives treat/comment at you when you walk past them.

arctic talon
#

^yeah this

storm jungle
#

One of the operatives on the consoles mention the basic rejects look up to you as inspiration and to keep that image up.

arctic talon
#

They’re nice to you once you hit like

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The 25 to 30 range

storm jungle
#

Yeah before that you may as well be a literal piece of shit under their boot lmao

#

after that they very much became aware of your elite status in the warband, you are still an expendable asset like everyone else on the ship but you proved your worth essentially

timber falcon
storm jungle
#

Its not in your face like most games so you kind of need to dig and listen to chatter of characters to pick pieces up yourself.

#

Its in the same spirit as Vermintide 1 and 2

carmine flame
#

This is off topic but when is the game set? During the plague wars is what I read on the wiki?

carmine flame
#

Interesting, so the dark imperium book line-ish?

arctic talon
#

Yeah around then

storm jungle
#

More or less yeah

arctic talon
#

Maybe a bit before or after

storm jungle
#

We dont really do anything important aside from rescuing this shithole planet.

#

so basically the plot of most 40k novels lol

arctic talon
#

Tertium isn’t a shithole it’s the crown jewel of the Moebian dominion smh my head

carmine flame
#

BUT MA MOEBIAN STEEL

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Lol

storm jungle
#

Yeah its the case with like every single 40k game

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even the upcomign Space Marine 2

#

you are just on two shitty worlds overrun with tyranids

#

nothing important

timber falcon
#

Haha gotcha

arctic talon
#

I wish GW still did campaign books over random shitholes

storm jungle
#

Same but alas

arctic talon
#

I guess they had a few in 8e but meh

#

Psychic awakening

arctic talon
carmine flame
#

has too man


#

I’m really just trying to put together the big picture of the timeline we are in. For the immersion

#

And also every time I run the foundryplex mission the redneck in me is like “ how many damn times do we have to start this machine before we decide it’s broken.”

arctic talon
#

Hadron would prolly kill anyone for saying it’s broken

radiant lance
#

What weighs more a kilogram of Moebian feathers or a kilogram of Moebian steel

carmine flame
dense dawn
versed ledge
#

Honestly rather have a survival horror and extraction shooter where you play as a guardsman or hiver amidst a tyrannid invasion

#

But there's only one ship remaining

tough haven
#

and as hadron says, the foundryplex produces like 11% tougher tank plating

#

so its valuable enough to keep fighting for

tough haven
carmine flame
nocturne crest
#

So out of curiosity, but has there ever been any space marine tanks used by The Imperial Guard or Inquistiors?

fallen plaza
#

Malcador tanks used to shared across both factions

#

And most rhinos and landraiders used to be a thing for a lot of PDF forces in the 30th millennium

#

And I think the arbites still use rhinos? And so do the sister of battle

sacred ginkgo
#

Sisters even have unique rhino variants like the Immolator and Exorcist

plush mason
#

which are just rhinos with a twin heavy flamer turret and a missile lancher that is made to look like a church organ respectively

nocturne crest
#

I'm just wondering more about the heavier stuff like Predators or Land Raiders, seeing how some inquisitors have terminator armour.

green loom
#

Land raiders Defo not

fallen plaza
#

Guard use to run land raiders

green loom
#

Predators are a maybe but the Russ and Dorn kinda make them irrelevant

fallen plaza
#

Back in the imperial armor days I think there was a rule for guard to have a relic predator tank

plush mason
#

ngl the rhino is an amazing vehicle design wise, the shear amount of things you can slap on the top front and sides are impressive

green loom
#

That's the chimera for guard lol

#

Like 60% of their vehicles are just chimera variants, and the rest are Russ and Bane blade variants

plush mason
#

which funny enough gives them more options than the space marines when it comes to heavy vehicles

#

hm, is the Dorn as modular as the Russ?

nocturne crest
#

What about vehicle like a leman russ or a hell hound?

plush mason
#

the Russ forms its own base that is used to make up the main tank core

#

the hell hound is a chimera variant

fallen plaza
#

What is the name of the leman Russ varient with the ch0de cannon?

#

Ch0de is censored here lol

plush mason
#

the demolisher, the cannon is a petard mortor made to level structures

fallen plaza
#

No not that

#

Bigger

green loom
fallen plaza
#

Oh

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The bombard

#

Yeah that

plush mason
#

wow i have seen this thing before

fallen plaza
#

I love it

#

Some of my favorite varient

#

Next to the old resin exterminator

#

*incinerator

rose thorn
#

Death watch players are doom posting

#

I highly doubt death watch is going anywhere, there will probably be rules for a deathwatch specific army

shadow plover
#

yeah I'm 100% sure there will be a Deathwatch specific detachment rule in the new book to run a mono Deathwatch army

#

also I don't get why'd you'd be angry/sad about having more fluffy options to run along side your Deathwatch units

queen laurel
#

You are given more options yet you are complaining about the options

shadow plover
#

indeed

storm jungle
#

Inquisitors can use Land Raiders

#

Same with Rhinos, the latter is more common but a Land Raider would need you to have SUPREME clout and influence to acquire one.

celest dome
#

Apart from Custodes stuff, is there anything they can't use ?

storm jungle
#

vehicles especially

fallen plaza
#

Really the only limit is practically and how much can you suck off the magos without gagging

storm jungle
#

the only ones they can acquire for Inquisitorial use are like, Land Raiders, Rhinos and Thunderhawks

green loom
storm jungle
raven stone
#

Sadly going by the promotional photos

#

We are only recovering Rhinos and Chimeras for our dex I think

storm jungle
#

Yeah alas, im strictly speaking from a lore standpoint

rocky gale
#

You'd think they'd allow Land Raiders for the Deathwatch and Grey Knight elements

dusk patrol
#

Game rules don’t apply to lore

#

Mostly

#

Deathwatch and GKs definitely use Land Raiders in lore

rocky gale
#

Yea, they've even had their own versions sold as models

#

Although nowadays in rules pretty sure Deathwatch just use the standard Land Raider, but Grey Knights still have seperate rules for their own unique Land Raiders

nocturne crest
#

Don't the Grey Knights have their own unique weapons?

dusk patrol
#

Mostly yeah

#

Lots of psy and force weapons

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Generally speaking yes

#

All their melee weapons are special force weapons

#

All their bolt shells and gear are blessed and made special to fuck up daemons

#

Since typically normal rounds don’t do much against daemons

#

Especially the ones they’re fighting typically

queen laurel
#

it takes a lot to true death even a weak one

dusk patrol
#

They’re not doing that much, mostly just banishing

#

Sometimes they bind them to something too

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

It’s inconsistent

#

Also true death lesser daemons is pointless

#

Greater daemons and daemon princes are much harder and they don’t really have the means often

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Yeah, it’s notable when weapons do it for a reason

#

It’s rare daemons actually have to be concerned about that

#

But they do bind or keep certain artifacts on Titan which they can’t destroy or don’t want to risk getting away

#

Which is where the Blade of Antwyr and Crowe come in

#

For an extreme case

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

If the opportunity presented itself they might, more likely they’d just try to banish him

#

With those kinda threats that’s all you can do really

#

Same as how they went about trying to deal with Magnus, Mortarion, Angron

#

The good thing with those guys is it takes an absurd effort and amount of power to summon and maintain their forms so they often can’t last long and if you banish them they’re probably not coming back soon

#

Which is also why Angrons whole endless rezzing is a huge fucking problem

#

Normally if you banish him he’s gone for hundreds to thousands of years

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Theoretically there is a cost to it but it’s not clear rn, it probably leaves him open to being attacked by the other gods

queen laurel
#

like it is getting to the point that the three other gods need to team up to knock him down a peg

dusk patrol
#

Mortarions big push into Ultramar for example cost him when Perturabo attacked his Plague Empire after

dusk patrol
#

Nurgle was the peak during the Plague Wars

#

I imagine Slannesh will be there soon once the EC roll around sometime in the next few years

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

They always gang up on the strongest

#

Likely there’s gonna be a cost for his big push with Angron and the WEs

#

Similar to how Nurgle had one

#

Plus you got Vashtorr doing whatever the hell he’s working on in the Pariah Nexus

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Yeah but they do it WÌŽÍ†Ì”ĂŻÌŽÍ„Ì€â€ ÌŽÌÌh̔̄́ ÌžÌ‚Ì•ÂąÌ”Ì‘ÌœÂ”Ì·ÌŠr̛̎͆§̶̂̆ĂȘÌ¶Í†Í€ĂÌŽÍƒÌ ̔̍̈†̷̈́ĂȘx†

storm jungle
queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Khorne isn’t the strongest, he just sometimes is

#

It changes

#

They’ve all been strongest and gotten knocked down a peg and the cycle continues

rocky gale
#

There's even a mechanic for it in the Warhammer TW 3, where which god is on top regularly changes giving different buffs to the chaos factions

celest dome
#

In fantasy it was mostly Tzeentch and Nurgle

queen laurel
#

Ok good

#

In warhammer it's corn right

dusk patrol
#

Whichever one we see varies by the timeline

queen laurel
#

Because the scale of war is just literally everywhere

#

Well currently anyway

dusk patrol
#

It is currently I think

#

It was Nurgle after the rift

#

It’s shifting a lot more rapidly these days

celest dome
#

40k ? Don't think they've currently been ranked, last to make some noise was Khorne

celest dome
rocky gale
#

The four are the big four because they're all present everywhere

queen laurel
#

hmm i see

storm jungle
#

everyone else lines up on different spots depending on the mood of the galaxy

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

pretty much

misty vector
#

So khorne gets power from more battles and nurgle from more disease, but how do tzeentch and slaanesh get stronger?

celest dome
#

Change

storm jungle
#

Tzeentch gets stronger from hopes/dreams/thoughts and enjoy scrushing them

#

like uh

#

most bosses IRL

#

Slaanesh is just want, excess, joy, etc

celest dome
#

And excess

storm jungle
#

They are all tied to basic human emotions you go through in a daily basis

celest dome
#

So too many war feed Slaanesh

dusk patrol
#

Slannesh steals from everyone

#

It’s just an endless cycle of one rising and then the other three kicking them down

storm jungle
#

The codex answers this question too for any smartasses out there on reddit.

queen laurel
queen laurel
#

I can hear them crawling on the damn walls again

storm jungle
#

such meta commentary

#

bravo vince

#

wait wrong franchise whoops

fallen plaza
storm jungle
#

good thing they cant mostly read it

dusk patrol
queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

It would subvert expectations

storm jungle
#

Lmao

storm jungle
#

speaking of lemme visit r/40klore real quick

#

i need entertainment

queen laurel
fallen plaza
storm jungle
#

Like... holy fuck dude what do you think

#

I think the worst one i saw was uh, iirc:

#

"What do Inquisitor's pilots pilot?"

#

your mom's car

#

what else

fallen plaza
#

😐

storm jungle
#

And the replies are just the most aimless stuff listing shit that doesnt matter instead of just saying a fucking valkyrie lol

dusk patrol
#

The real response is to tell the person to stop being so fucking lazy and look it up

storm jungle
#

^

dusk patrol
#

Most of this shit is a Google away

storm jungle
#

I hate how when you tell them this they just downvote you

queen laurel
storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Correct response: Do you still love your mom after she drank heavily and did hard drugs while she was pregnant with you?

storm jungle
#

LMAO CHRIST

fallen plaza
dusk patrol
#

Because that’s the only explanation I can think of for those lazy ass questions

#

That or it’s bots I guess

storm jungle
#

No its people.

#

They are legit this stupid.

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

The mods are also fucking useless and only just ban posts for new book spoilers and do jackshit otherwise.

celest dome
storm jungle
#

I maen

#

we do

#

people just dont wanna read it

celest dome
#

We should do it more staregryn

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

I wish we had a bot which slapped someone’s nuts whenever they asked a broad and non specific question

storm jungle
#

God id get that if it wasnt so hard to program

#

we did it for people who wouldnt shut the fuck up about "lasgun recoil"

#

so it gave you an emote react every time you said it

#

like a mark of dunce

queen laurel
fallen plaza
#

Do it everytime someone says whens the next rotation

queen laurel
#

the warhammer related questions are about to be ******* hilarious

storm jungle
#

Like just

#

can you motherfuckers stop

queen laurel
#

even i know they don't have kids

storm jungle
#

these are definitely not the worst btw, just obnoxious. Ive seen so many much worse ones.

#

There were posts with like 0 Upvotes 1029 comments of "Why do people worship the Chaos Gods when the Emperor exists"

queen laurel
storm jungle
fallen plaza
#

Probably something gay

storm jungle
#

Stop coming out the closet IN THE LORE CHAT

fallen plaza
#

Already did, i just like saying it because its funny

rich sail
#

why would you worship anything BUT the chaos gods
death to the false emperor

storm jungle
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based, based

celest dome
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Sister of Battle picture
Full on chaosites

storm jungle
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makes sense...

green loom
green loom
gray umbra
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Why would anyone play a faction that isnt space marines

fallen plaza
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Theres other factions?

tough haven
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That’s my canon rogue trader

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They’d accept the emperor in certain aspects, focusing less on punishing his charges and instead on protecting or guiding them

tough haven
storm jungle
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Yeah hes joking

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people like that do exist though

queen laurel
celest dome
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Some people still are dumbfounded by FS not doing SM so yes, they exist Guarded

queen laurel
queen laurel
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so sick of it

fallen plaza
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These are the same nerds that think darktide will die once sm2 comes out

celest dome
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Think, or hope

gray umbra
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Yeah some reddit pieces are doomer "fs u gotta fix ur game now if you want to compete with sm2"

fallen plaza
storm jungle
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The game looks great but at its core its too simple, its only main selling point is the scenery/spectacles + Space Marines

queen laurel
gray umbra
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Im gonna play the shit out of the pvp at least