40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

ahem akshually

its Mephiston

Mephisto is from Marvel!!!

[fallen plaza]

🤓

[dusk patrol]

That’s how you accidentally admit you actually enjoyed War of the Beast

[shadow plover]

Leagues of Votann lore dropping!

[storm jungle]

We already got one with Lemartes

hes a squat

[dusk patrol]

#40k-lore-chat message

[shadow plover]

It's in a White Dwarf
https://x.com/warhammer/status/1817924070282784984

Warhammer Official (@warhammer) on X

White Dwarf 503 is jam-packed with a four-player battle report, League of Votann lore, and bestial Stormcast Eternals 📖

Take a look inside.https://t.co/SbpdHLhlF2

#WhiteDwarf #WarhammerCommunity

Twitter · Jul 29, 2024, 2:04 PM

[storm jungle]

WHITE DWARF

[viral halo]

Votaan more like WHO CARES

[storm jungle]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[dusk patrol]

So they said they’re doing a article, don’t get your hopes up

It might just be codex rehashing

I hope it’s not

[storm jungle]

We should do an article on how you die from a car bomb

[dusk patrol]

But I wouldn’t get all jazzed up yet

[fallen plaza]

Leagues of zzzz....

[shadow plover]

start reading

[celest dome]

Are some of those supposed to be Chaos ?

[viral halo]

one of my LGS hasn't been able to sell their stock of Lov launch boxes

lol

[shadow plover]

Votann are great

[celest dome]

3 o'clock, 7o'clock specifically

[viral halo]

im seeing what I bought drunk and I am not happy

[dusk patrol]

Some of us can be just ugly and not immediately start sucking off whatever god gives us a wink smh

[storm jungle]

ayo?

[celest dome]

Don't understand, we become like we are because we do what we do, not the other way around

[dusk patrol]

You hurt your wat

[viral halo]

I think to settle any arguments in here we should post pictures of how clean our rooms are

whoever has the most water bottles in their room wins

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[fallen plaza]

I lose

[celest dome]

I might have 2 ? work desk and bedside table

Don't have any on the office desk though

[viral halo]

I'm on 4 water bottles, 2 shaker cups, and 3 empty bottles full of dip spit rn

[dusk patrol]

Here’s my clean room

Do I win?

[fallen plaza]

😒

[viral halo]

Hope it breaks out with Covid 2

[fallen plaza]

No water bottles

Minus -12000

[viral halo]

Bring back Covid btw man, sure it killed my grandparents but I had the best year of gaming in my life

[celest dome]

Using a coaster

[viral halo]

proof that dilara is turkish

[storm jungle]

jksdkjfkjsdfds

[shadow plover]

imagine not just drinking tap water

[storm jungle]

idk what tap water is

is that straight from the metal rod thingy in the kitchen

[shadow plover]

yes

lmao

[storm jungle]

awful

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-tv-show-alan-dirty-brown-water-gif-2994539734963430051

[dusk patrol]

[celest dome]

It's that thing the Spanish do, like dancing

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[viral halo]

Is Dilara a real gooner?!

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

My house is much messier so I can’t really talk.

Not too bad but definitely not orderly

[viral halo]

My gf gets mad at me that I leave my rifle just hanging out in the corner of my room

Wait till she finds the desk .38

[dusk patrol]

Although room tempature water bottles is

[celest dome]

[dusk patrol]

Psychopath behavior

[viral halo]

I want to buy another .38

Oh sorry I mean STUBGUN

[dusk patrol]

What happens if both of them get jammed?

Better buy a third

Back up backup

[viral halo]

Buy 4 and quadruple wield them

Has anyone seen the new wolverine and deadpool yet I heard it's kino?

[dusk patrol]

I have not but I’ve heard it’s good

[viral halo]

RDJ being brought on as MF DOOM is vapid and souless btw

[fallen plaza]

Okay your highness

[shadow plover]

that mostly depends where you are, some countries have pretty much undrinkable tap water and others have the same quality as in your average market water bottle

but that also varies by city a bit

[fallen plaza]

There were a billion better people to do dr doom, yet they decided on rdj

Super hero movies used to have great casting

[viral halo]

Looking for a cash grab

I can't wait for the "Penguin" show

[fallen plaza]

Sometimes I forget RDJ is like, 60

That is a bit upsetting for some reason

[viral halo]

RDJ is prob gonna die soon that dude was a crack/coke/heroin addict his heart is probably like the real iron man one they gotta change the batteries every few years or that mf dies

[shadow plover]

if the US were still a proper country they'd still have ugly actors who look like the Penguin does in The Batman but no

[dusk patrol]

Imo they’re just gonna use him to drum up hype and he won’t be past one movie before they do a Different Doom

[viral halo]

Idk I prefer a handsome man like colin farrell in 10 hours of prosthetics than making more ugly people famous

[dusk patrol]

He’s so expensive to bring on too

[shadow plover]

why

[viral halo]

I like seeing good looking people on my screen

[dusk patrol]

Me, watching House of the Dragon last night, as the writers really expect me to believe these ugly MFers are gonna get a dragon

[viral halo]

How was the new episode?

[fallen plaza]

I like the chance for good actors to shine thank you very much

[dusk patrol]

Pretty good

Thankfully they managed to find a way to waste runtime with another Alicent bathing and contemplating how bad an idea it was for the showrunners to focus on her character when she’s basically a non entity in the books from here on out

It did look nice though

[viral halo]

Yknow what movie I watched yesterday that was just a fuckin fun time

[dusk patrol]

Long legs?

[viral halo]

that cavill WW2 movie that came out a few months ago

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah the uh

[viral halo]

like it was a dogshit movie but it was extremely fun

[dusk patrol]

Ungenttlemenly Warfare

[viral halo]

No I don't watch horror movies

[dusk patrol]

It has Nick Cage in it

It’s a comedy

[viral halo]

I like Nick Cage

[dusk patrol]

Odd movie, definitely disturbing

[viral halo]

We need to bring back epics

I feel like the real last Epic film made was "troy" with cox/pitt/bana

That new napoleon movie was so souless it hurt

[storm jungle]

its like watching space marine trials but quicker

[shadow plover]

If Dune wasn't an Epic I don't know what is

[storm jungle]

Who says it isnt

[shadow plover]

.

[storm jungle]

Bruh Moment

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-troya-menelaus-funny-laugh-gif-6080507

[viral halo]

While Dune is epic It does not get treated the same in my mind as an "epic"

like the genre of "epics"

[storm jungle]

ITS LITERALLY AN EPIC

[viral halo]

Idk like I just feel like I can't compare spartacus/the longest day/troy/waterloo with Dune

Maybe it's cause CGI reduces the scale so much?

[storm jungle]

I feel like we should make worms eat you alive tbh

[fallen plaza]

Get your normal pills Mr crazy

[dusk patrol]

My favorite thing is people talking about how “oh this person wasn’t brave or didn’t do this” or whatever as if the point of the books and show is that these mfers don’t understand dragons really and dragons aren’t some hyper logical beings that have a consistent preference or reason for picking people

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah they are literally giant cats

[dusk patrol]

Sea smoke literally jsut went and found a dude

Who ran

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-marvel-rage-antihero-gif-11732259

[dusk patrol]

Did all the wrong things

Didn’t matter

The one dude was a drunk who stepped on her fucking eggs

[storm jungle]

Yeah they very much pick their rider first and foremost. Its how Hugh and Ulf's dragons fit their personalities in a lot of ways.

[dusk patrol]

And then Silverwing was like “yeah sure why not”

[storm jungle]

Ulf's dragon definitely also came off as like very playful ironically lol

so thats why it prob didnt even care an egg got stepped on

[fallen plaza]

Probably shouldn't be seeing this on the off chance I care about the house of dragons

[storm jungle]

Its good and worth a watch

nothing mindblowing but its fun

[raven stone]

KT probably coming within this week

[dusk patrol]

This season has been slow but it’s got some good stuff, this episode was good

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only thing that annoys me is we are getting buildups and the show actually taking its time (minus like some unnecessary stuff) but it always pays off and theres just so many good scenes that it makes up for it.

The fandom is just so impatient and dislike some parts of the show for the exact reason they hated S8

its legit mind boggling

[dusk patrol]

Thank goodness we got another Alicent bathing scene

[summer kraken]

any wrhammer movies?

[dusk patrol]

At least it looked pretty

But ffs

[storm jungle]

They say in the post-episode thing that she was contemplating killing herself apparently.

[raven stone]

I am guessing BA/Agents/KT somehow all release in short order within August.

Maybe the remaining Spyrer suits for Necro as well

[storm jungle]

But okay like... maybe show that? lol

[dusk patrol]

I wish she would

[raven stone]

August is the Far Future month

[storm jungle]

Also likely yeah

[raven stone]

Now that AoS had their party

[dusk patrol]

Hopefully the next seasons will have less filler stuff or whatever, this is probably the slowest part of the book

I totally forgot about the whole using bastards for the riders thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah this was still setups with lots of good scenes sprinkled in-between so i dont mind it as much but i hope it gets more active next time.

[storm jungle]

People were expecting like

it being a black comedy montage

what we got was much more horrific

[dusk patrol]

I liked that they had Rheanyra be actually just evil

[storm jungle]

Its a good reminder yeah

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t help she hasn’t had much to do this season

Still mad we didn’t get fat Rheanyra smh

[storm jungle]

remember when people got mad that Rhaenys killed peasants by busting out the floor of the sept after giving a speech that she doesnt want innocent blood shed?

wow its almost like uh

targaryens dont give a shit in reality

lol

[dusk patrol]

Ngl I’m kinda with them small folk talking about their problems is boring as fuck

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Yes yes I get it you’re starving and youre all dying ok please can we get back to the runway model family feud

[storm jungle]

No the peasant scenes are great shut up

[dusk patrol]

Meanwhile Jace:

I like Hugh

Which probably means he’s gonna become a huge dick

I can’t recall a lot of the details

And I’m trying not to

I remember the uh Sheep Eater thing the one daughter is going after

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

And the one Cannibal dragon but idk if that’s even in the show

There’s a couple wild dragons and they’ve only referenced one

[storm jungle]

Nah its not

[dusk patrol]

So idk

[storm jungle]

Theres a few things they didnt quite do yet so we'll see i guess

highlight was Aemond telling Alicent to uhhhh

return to """domestic""" duties

[dusk patrol]

He’s so sassy

It is funny how they have literally no good candidates for ruler or whatever

Aegon is a dumbass, Rheanyra doesn’t know what she’s doing, Aemond and Daemon are psychopaths, Viserys was a weak ruler with no backbone, Jace has a stupid face

Maybe Rheanys would have been good but I doubt it, who knows though.

[storm jungle]

Im glad our medieval history IRL wasnt this bad

[dusk patrol]

It helps they didn’t have dragons

Or world destroying frost zombies

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Although one thing that bugged me

Dude what the fuck are those scorpion dudes for

Is their only job to yell “Dragon!”

Like I feel like they should when shown them firing a little bit

[storm jungle]

I mean

they basically got one job

to shoot down dragons

its not exactly the most exciting posting

[storm jungle]

If I was directing this episode id have made them fire and miss the ballistas at Ulf and then show the bolts falling to the city and injuring people

[dusk patrol]

I unironically thought he was gonna land by his pub

[storm jungle]

Same but i think the only reason he didnt is he just got his dragon

guy was having the time of his life

[dusk patrol]

Anyways now all I care about is Hugh and Vermithor

Everyone else can die please

[storm jungle]

LOL

Means the showrunners did their job

[dusk patrol]

I love how some of them have these cool fantasy names too like Syrax, Vermithor, Balerion, Vhagar

[storm jungle]

They are named like warhammer characters, its great

[dusk patrol]

And then there’s 🌈Dreamfyre

[storm jungle]

also the whole "we name them after deities because cool"

[storm jungle]

dont forget Sunfyre 🌞

[dusk patrol]

Silverwing

[storm jungle]

TO BE FAIR

They arent bad names

but uh... definitely simple

lol

its like me naming my dragon Blackwing

[dusk patrol]

Iirc Dreamfyre was named by a little girl too

Or something like that

[storm jungle]

checks out

[rose thorn]

JESUS CHRIST THE NEW BA IS SO EDGY

[dusk patrol]

Also people talking about how big Drogon is compared to the much older dragons in this show.

Ignoring he was born to a magic blood magic and fire sacrifice ritual and it flooded magic back into the world

[dusk patrol]

Mfw Death Company is edgy

[storm jungle]

they are a Company of Death it makes sense

[rose thorn]

I’m use to death company just being blood angels in black armor

[storm jungle]

remember that these characters majorily came out from the 90's to the mid 2000's, the Ages of Edge™️ to some of us old timers here

[dusk patrol]

This just in : Astorath the Grim, not a very happy go lucky guy

[storm jungle]

its why they look like they came out of Spawn™️ lol

[dusk patrol]

My brother in Christ

[rose thorn]

Like this is a bit fucking much

[dusk patrol]

Have you read anything about them?

This has been a thing for

[rose thorn]

Yeah I know but I just mean the models

[dusk patrol]

Probably longer than you’ve been alive

Even the models

This isn’t new

I will agreed Astorath isn’t my tempo though

He needs a helmet

[rose thorn]

I hate the muscle fiber Phobos armor

But I do appreciate Phobos armor Chaplin

[dusk patrol]

It’s a Dracula reference

[spring cairn]

"no this guy is one of the good guys trust me"

[fallen plaza]

It's very close to the original model

Unlike lemartes which is weewee

[rose thorn]

Oh damn I didn’t know that

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b4/Death_Co_Chaplain.png/revision/latest?cb=20170111184510

[fallen plaza]

I dunno about the pose of the model though

[rose thorn]

This was I was use to for death company

Anyway @ me when we get a new ultra marine character next week

[rose thorn]

Omg it has nipples

[storm jungle]

It was made by a japanese designer lady

the morons at GW put it on like 3-4 blood angels characters

[rocky gale]

Curse you GW

My finances will never recover

[fallen plaza]

I forgot the brutalis existed

Damn that thing is silly

[dusk patrol]

You were the kid at school that told everyone Santa wasn’t real weren’t you?

[fallen plaza]

No but I did fight a lot

[dusk patrol]

I prefer the real Lemartes

I said the real Lemartes

“Perfection”

[fallen plaza]

So true bestie

[rocky gale]

Actually nevermind, those models don’t actually tempt me

[fallen plaza]

This is the best model gw has ever made

[viral halo]

Gag ball and headphones lemartes

[rocky gale]

Not that they’re bad models, I just don’t do Death Company

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1267442706741989437/SmykerPacified.mp4?ex=66a8cd81&is=66a77c01&hm=2e39b50eaea9c09cd5e70cd650a392364c7ab2ddf7b0e4a6419a939ab07bdf6e&

[dusk patrol]

Just listening to his tunes while he rams his Crozicup up your ass

(The black rage is making him do it)

[storm jungle]

bro sharing his sexual fantasies in the chat

mods remove him

[dusk patrol]

They won’t

Discord mods ain’t shit

[fallen plaza]

Fuck yeah

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lazer-cat-pickles-kitty-rage-power-gif-17379603

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

A GW employee just used his mind powers on me, got me to buy a box of scourges

Despicable

[storm jungle]

clearly the work of a rogue intern

[rose thorn]

i really dont like the perma open helmet

beisdes that its fine

[celest dome]

Reading people try to explain why Erda is evil is quite fun tbh

[dusk patrol]

I mean I’d say her heart was in the right place but her complete inability to admit she fucked up hugely when half her sons are daemons and descending on the planet is uh

Well perpetuals are all pretty arrogant

Except Oll

I don’t see her that different from Big E, completely unable to admit she was wrong or that her actions might have fucked stuff up

[raven stone]

Erda probably miscalculated by quite a lot I suspect, alongside the self-centeredness of being a Perpetual.

She probably scattered the Primarchs to reduce the chance of Emps finding all of them

But didn’t want to kill them for her own conscience

And the rest is, well, history.

[dusk patrol]

Her initial reason is understandable but the fact she has no remorse or admits no wrong after she sees what it caused

When the fucking siege of Terra is ramping up around her

[raven stone]

Yea she could have taken a journey across the stars

Or given Angron a better home at any rate.

(Though Angron lore is just…another giant clusterfuck of a mess IMHO)

(So many illogical decisions piling up to justify it)

[storm jungle]

People running circles to explain why traitor primarchs end up being traitors is one of my favorite parts of HH.

No matter how much they can try to justify shit like Morty turning traitor it literally wasnt anything but him being mad at Big E for kill-stealing

Angron is definitely still THE worst but hes a close second for me

[green loom]

Perturabo just needed a hug obviously

[snow fern]

I thought he was just a spiteful little shit

[raven stone]

Angron lore disappoints me a bit more because I feel the degree of illogical thinking spilling all over the lore.

Say you are Emps, right? That little planet that offered their surrender just returned your son and said “oh BTW we made him a mad gladiator, shoved bits in his brain and accidentally lobotomised him for shits and giggles.”

Does it not strike Emps, the same guy who would “send in the Eighth” (TM) to punish disobeying worlds, right, that the planetary body essentially insulted his fucking authority right there?

Like. Screw their surrender, if I was Emps and I saw what they did to my son, I would probably just let him take the legion and tear the world down, no questions asked.

Nobody insults my authority, strategic value of Nuceria to the GC be damned

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one of the biggest showcases of how the Emperor is not a character, hes just a plot device.

You can almost see off-screen the writers telling him to follow the script like its a bad TV show

"Do I have to say this, it makes no sense."

"JUST FUCKING DO IT."

And of course people like i said run circles saying dumb shit like "well hes removed from humanity of course he cant make sensible decisions or not understand what his sons want" pick a lame 💀

I really dont understand why these people just cant accept "because plot" is half the reason for why the Heresy happens

[raven stone]

Some people just refuse to see how badly executed the “because plot” is, even.

Like, if I were to do Angron’s lore, I would say Emps gave him permission to only execute the ruling class.
But then Angron himself went overboard and killed the planet.
You get the same outcome but it makes MUCH more sense.

[storm jungle]

The heresy definitely has well told story points but the main core part of the reasons on why it happened are not one of them.

Magnus is another terrible example where he could have literally done anything else but he just sits and waits to get wiped out then decides to intervene and fight back in the last minute due to other nonsense.

The writer knew the entire scenario is such a clusterfuck they even put a literal shapeshifter demon the Changeling in there to patch this shit up and make it work

[storm jungle]

Also yeah Angron is the worst one

ive seen so many people try ot explain why Big E let Angron's friends die and its just Star Wars theories tier circlejerking

[raven stone]

I am going to guess that amongst those theory, one of them was, somehow

[arctic talon]

Magnus did nothing wrong

as in he did

Nothing

incorrectly

[raven stone]

“Because Emps sensed Angron’s pals were corrupted”

[arctic talon]

The emperor is an asshole, next slide

[raven stone]

There is a reason why White Scars and Alpha Legion are tied as my favourites in HH.
They have enough brains to see Emps is not perfect

[storm jungle]

Thats one part of End and the Death I like, it finally shows you that the Emperor really had not much of a plan and was just speedrunning/yoloing the entire thing

its fucking hilarious

[arctic talon]

FUCK FUCK FUCK

[storm jungle]

Also not having a lot of part in the Heresy

ironic

[storm jungle]

EVERY TIME

Horus is about to kill him

someone fucking steps infront of him

it happens like 3-4 times

[raven stone]

I mean, I see why it keeps happening, but yes, still funni.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just what you get with so many authors

[raven stone]

IIRC one of the authors was hell bent on making Emps an ass

Which contributes to some of the most logic breaking moments…

[storm jungle]

They all had their own vision of it basically

Abnett on the ending notes of EatD says its up to the readers to decide if Big E is morally ambigious or not

and im like "wat"

[raven stone]

Someone really needs to smack every single BL author of the HH series

And tell them

Morally ambiguous

Does not excuse illogical thinking

[tough haven]

Bro if you are gonna be evil, oh sorry, morally ambiguous, just do it

[tough haven]

Normally I’d disagree with you but emps is supposed to be this god like figure, or at least the pinnacle of humanity

Which would be fine if they showcased the flawed human aspects of him more

But instead they have it both ways

[raven stone]

Yea trying to please everyone was the issue they had I think

And some degree of timidity with retconning stuff as well

The Angron thing is an issue because I know exactly

They just ported the lore from an ancient White Dwarf article

Without changing it one iota.

Despite having the fiat to do so.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a huge failing of ADB imo

It’s completely nonsensical and inconsistent with how he deals with every other primarch

And then they try to make it a “Well his world complied.” Like mfer

He’d burn dozens of worlds for a primarch

Let alone one army and a nation state which he can easily replace

He literally “wasted” months hanging out with other Primarchs to try to win them over

[snow fern]

Oh is it time for our weekly grievance with HH?

Not helping Angron and his fellow gladiators kill their slavers was a real dick move, especially since it would've really not cost E anything like.
"Ima make sure my son hates me for a justifiable reason"

[dusk patrol]

It’s super easy to write a better way to reach the same result too but

Whatever

[storm jungle]

All worth it for Angron to return later and just kill everyone on the planet

The writer was expecting me to feel sympathy while i was laughing like a psychopath at the comedic timing

[snow fern]

Pity for slavers? Those silly English

[outer wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181054538279563325/1267564285656039476/FB_IMG_1722281152768.jpg?ex=66a93ebb&is=66a7ed3b&hm=334ae4ce533dc6bc150481890c99026302d57afeecadbf885795e939e7a36399&

[hallow plover]

Blorbius sounds like a death guard name

[storm jungle]

reminder that we have a Great Unclean One literally named Bubonicus

its not even that out of the realm of possibility

[raven stone]

Sounds like those fans are also immature people with lots of father issues/shitpost

[crystal forum]

I HAVE FINISHED

smh elitewolf can send messages to me but i cant message him

[arctic talon]

Looks great!

[dense dawn]

Plasma revolver?

[hallow plover]

I'm sure they named the planet Iax in Dark Imperium just so they could rename it Pestiliax

[storm jungle]

[hallow plover]

They probably have a Nurglish name department down at GW

[storm jungle]

90% of it is just "pox"

[hallow plover]

Typhus is a fever type

[dense dawn]

Fucking uhhh
Poxfragger

[hallow plover]

Poxmongler the Pustulent

[dense dawn]

The poxtulent one

[storm jungle]

Poxburster

Walking Pox

Poxwalker

Poxer

[arctic talon]

It’s a gamma pistol

[dense dawn]

Poxrizzer

Cancerbloater

[hallow plover]

Mortarion

[dense dawn]

What else

[hallow plover]

PLAGUE TOWER

best thing ever

[dense dawn]

What is it

[hallow plover]

a pile of shit

[dense dawn]

Plagueliacci

[hallow plover]

YES

[crystal forum]

gamma pistol

niche mechanicus gun that's batshit insane

[dense dawn]

Looks sick

Peak of futuristic gothic

[hallow plover]

This bad boy can only contain so many diseases

[dense dawn]

What in the seven hells

Is that literally just a disease spreading tower on wheels

[hallow plover]

in the books theyre just ramshackles wooden structures than can withstand heavy ordnance fire because of sorcery

[wraith quartz]

Yo

[arctic talon]

is that the fucking skaven bell

[wraith quartz]

Who's online rn?

[outer wave]

Do you think Typhus would say pox like it's a swear, like "Erm, what the pox??"

[wraith quartz]

It doesn't look like, there's a topic going on, so I'll have my turn and finally post my anecdote.

[crystal forum]

there's a chaos version?

do you have a pic

[versed ledge]

Poxie Puffs

[green loom]

Test fire on me plz

[crystal forum]

no

you're too valuable

that kinda looks like a radium pistol

@arctic talon wtf is this gun

it looks so cool

[fallen plaza]

You should do a solar auxilia power fist

[crystal forum]

a life sized power fist??

that would be insane to print

[arctic talon]

arc pistol

[crystal forum]

how the fuck do you know all these niche mechanicus guns

[arctic talon]

I PLAY THE FACTION

I MEMORIZE THEM SO I CAN TELL MY OPPONET WHAT IT IS

I have a codex in 10e already

smh

[crystal forum]

i guess i can just do mechanicus guns since they're so wacky that nobody at my job will report me to the police

[arctic talon]

LOL

IRL daemonic scrapcode

[crystal forum]

that's actually evil

[wraith quartz]

.....

Anecdote time
IMPORTANT
This is a big topic discussion that I'll probably keep recurring questions about this topic throughout the week. So as much as you would like to say "Search in the Lexicanum". The topic of this discussion is relatively vast.

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

mods give this man his image rights

[arctic talon]

He will talk more

[fallen plaza]

Don't worry, we wont

[crystal forum]

i will

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-van-darkholme-leather-mask-gif-25822822

That's good for you pal

[crystal forum]

ok buddy

[wraith quartz]

.....

Anecdote time

....

(Clang of metal clashing against rock reverbs against an etched cavern. More clanging joins in a monotonous succession echoing throughout the mineshaft. A crackling of whips moves in vindictive unison as the toils of agony thunders along with it.)

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-gif-20116037

Me when clanging metal

[crystal forum]

it's caveman time

[wraith quartz]

Hush, no talking during anecdote or I'll lose my train of thought (even I can get greatly distracted by outside forces)

[green loom]

Aw man the dragon show killed my guy

[crystal forum]

dragon? WHERE???

[green loom]

On HUBEEOH

[fallen plaza]

Imagine that

Dragons

[green loom]

Anyway rip my man, he may have been a horrid butcher but he still had the cooler sigil

[wraith quartz]

Grunt, Clank Oh hey y'all, didn't see you there. Just almost done with my 120 hr "shift" in the penal mines. (Crack of a whip and aggressive yelling in the background) Yeah it's pretty fun down here once you get used to usual shenanigans that goes on down here.

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gif-24576101

Me when whip

[wraith quartz]

Met with all sorts of people, while I pay my time for my "Crimes" against the Emperor and his Imperium. Quite some interesting folks down here. Big folks, little folks, lean folks, wide folks, green folks, blue folks, and some eccentric folks (they mug me and steal my stashed rations... ). And they all have such wonderful stories to tell; some were here under some unfortunate circumstances, while others should have deserved a bolter round instead.

But hey, who am I to be blamed? We're all humans in the end. We fight, steal, kill, love, the other kind of "love", and surprisingly have lived long enough to witness this "great new era"

But is this who we are? Who we are meant to be? A grown species of apes scattered across the cosmos lost in a never ending battle of Strife and War?

---

Intermission

---

Sorry I lost the train of thought

Give me a 5 min breather and I'll post my concluding piece of the anecdote and get to the point of the topic.

[arctic talon]

it has been more then 5 minutes

[wraith quartz]

Hold on

cracks knuckles

[azure knoll]

what about topic first?

[wraith quartz]

.....

End of intermission

....

There must be more to know about us, what we've done and what will become of us. If not we would let our vices take the better of us, or Worse become something less than human.

.....

End of Anecdote

....

Topic discussion

....
Ok, the main big topic, (if u haven't figured it out yet), is about humanity as a whole.

My main key points (or questions) is this:
• Humanities history (as a whole)
• Humanity before Strife (Space age)
• Humanities encounter with the warp
• Humanities encounters with other things
• Humanities "vendettas"
• Humanity during the "Golden age"
• Humanity during the "Heresy"
• Humanity after the "Heresy" and so forth
• What has become of humanity and what is it turning into (the mutants)

.....

Before starting the topic discussion, you're more than welcome to take a breather and talk about something else before I start ramblings again.

Also I want to go through each main question individually and not all once. Please

Yea, I know It's a big topic

I'm pretty sure you're annoyed about it

[fallen plaza]

Oh of course your self conscious about it

Just go all out if your willing to go this far, don't have shame

[arctic talon]

we know the tower of babal was real and humanities history followed irl close enough most likely, we don't know a ton about the age of strife

Golden age is also a big ??? generally

beyond humanity wasn't that united at all and they got along with some Xenos species

Humanity most likely ran into Orks and some Necron constructs during the golden age

Humanities psyker potential didn't really awaken until the Age of Strife

They did figure out warp travel though

Humanity and the Eldar generally just left each other alone

[wraith quartz]

For clarification I was thinking of starting Humanities time before the events of the Strife when we were at the space age

[crystal forum]

we know alexander the great existed and he was the emperor

thanks dan abnet

[arctic talon]

we don't know anything about that beyond it followed IRL history

generally speaking

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[arctic talon]

the most fleshed out part of the age of strife is eldar lore lol

which is the leadup to Slaanesh being born and craftworld eldar getting the fuck out

and trying to stop said birth(big surprise it didn't work)

[crystal forum]

age of strife is like even more mysterious than dark age

[arctic talon]

Upside to the Birth of Slaanesh was that it literally blew away all the warpstorms

the birth of slaanesh ironically was very good

for humanity

mostly since it ended the age of strifes horrific warpstorms

we start getting more lore during the post age of strife/great crusade era stuff

[crystal forum]

i thought the birth caused the warp storms

[arctic talon]

no

common misconception

^

[queen laurel]

I feel like a trade deal of constant warp storms for a warp god of excessiveness that encourages pulverized baby powder steroids with the spines of children as supplements isn't really a good trade in my book

[arctic talon]

also humanity awakening their psyker like potentials

enmass

was not good for the warps stability either

[crystal forum]

how did eldar shit cause warp stuff if there wasnt a chaos god feeding on that stuff

[arctic talon]

not all of it was being eaten up, Eldar psykers were kind of going crazy during the buildup to the birth

^

[crystal forum]

if only humanity killed all eldar

[arctic talon]

that would not have prevented Slaanesh's birth realistically speaking

there were other cultures and socities slaanesh was feeding on already

did they reincarnate properly after the war in heaven?

[crystal forum]

humans could control black holes dont fucking tell me they couldn't do something

[arctic talon]

I mean

the eldar could summon gods

Avatars of Khaine might be depicted as jobbers but Khaine himself

was fucking horrifying lol

[queen laurel]

So does that mean that an alpha plus equivalent eldar on the psychic scale can literally just crumple of planet like it's a toy

[arctic talon]

Yes

an alpha plus psyker can already do that

[crystal forum]

sigma

[queen laurel]

Sheesh

[arctic talon]

iota

the psyker classification thing doesn't work properly either for eldar

tbh

[crystal forum]

powerscaling in MY 40k???

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

[queen laurel]

This is inquisition approved power scaling

Therefore questioning at could lead to death so if i were you

[arctic talon]

The fall of the Eldar was kind of a clusterfuck

also the Drukhari lost most of their psyker potential during it

[crystal forum]

so was that entire time period

[arctic talon]

drukhari not being psykers is always fun

[queen laurel]

The main cause of it was i'm pretty sure that mainly the depravity of the eldar because of their boredom right

But are there other things to worry about besides that

[arctic talon]

yeah but I'm talking about the moment slaanesh was born lol

A lot of Eldar who weren't involved hadn't left yet

most of them died horribly

[queen laurel]

Oh wait Dark eldar have less psychic powers than the literal dinosaur riders

[crystal forum]

do you think orks were having fun during the age of strife

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

Yes

On whatever planet they go there is always a constant s*** storm to kick around

[arctic talon]

Drukhari have less psychic powers then the weakest proper human psyker lol

^yeah this also

they still have very bright and tasty souls

[queen laurel]

That's why they don't have psykers but to compensate their tech is a lot more volatile dangerous than normal eldar?

[arctic talon]

Their tech is just better in general

its modified prefall stuff

[queen laurel]

Damn

[arctic talon]

the best stuff isn't usable because it requires a Psyker to use

and the drukhari sure as shit aren't going to give the Craftworld Eldar prefall stuff

[queen laurel]

One time they had this super bomb that can only be activated by a pure eldar right

[arctic talon]

Psyker yes

[queen laurel]

And it required a monumental amount of trolling

[arctic talon]

we don't know if the Speranza was standard tbf

but that gun goes crazy

wait which other ship

Oh

wait I know what you're talking about

yeah

[wraith quartz]

Hold on, there's a lot of information going on at once, and stuff going on outside of humanity....
Let's start at the beginning:

In Humanities "old" history. We relatively hit peak when we reached the THE SPACE AGE.
Given that one quote "all knowledge of past humanity civilization and restoration, blah blah blah blah, is lost to time, blah blah blah blah." What do we know about humanity before they got the rested in their own "Time of Strife".

To shorten the question. What did humanity do when they had full control of the navigating of the galaxy, how do they do it, what technological advances did they achieve before becoming lost forever due to the age of Strife.

[crystal forum]

fucking nothing in dark age was standard

it's all wacky one offs

[arctic talon]

They started colonizing planets, terraforming, fabric of reality altering

STCs were invented

[wraith quartz]

Wah?

[arctic talon]

Standard templace constructors

[crystal forum]

it's usually conflicting

[arctic talon]

aka space 3d printer that can make almost anything

[queen laurel]

Basically super advanced 3d printers that can allow you to make a lot of technological stuff

[arctic talon]

And then they made STCs which are standard template constructs

[queen laurel]

You can turn yourself into a t-rex

[arctic talon]

which are like STL files

[wraith quartz]

Oh

[queen laurel]

Or you can ask it to make a tank design specifically to fight in desert worlds and it would make one

[crystal forum]

STC's can be literally everything from a USB drive to a self replicating intelligent machine

[arctic talon]

tbh generally speaking more recent lore takes precedent over older lore

regarding codex stuff

[crystal forum]

i dont think dark age humanity is ever meant to be pieced together

[arctic talon]

I don't think so either

[wraith quartz]

So how did humanity achieve in blunt terms "light travel" or more greater blunt terms "hyper drives"

[arctic talon]

They used warp drives

[queen laurel]

Oh they just have warp drive s

It's still a thing but right now you just need a like a comatose

Psyker

[arctic talon]

same stuff we use now

no

[queen laurel]

To somehow power the shield

[crystal forum]

navigators come from the dark ages

[arctic talon]

those are gellar fields

And gellar fields don't all need a psyker

its just that specific model

we also know there were navigation computers at the time for warp travel

[queen laurel]

Why the hell did they make that model

[arctic talon]

but those fall out of use

[crystal forum]

also im pretty sure the warp was a lot calmer back then

[queen laurel]

If they already have a specific model that didn't require one

[arctic talon]

idfk

reuse, reduce, recycle

[queen laurel]

Enslave command or forced them to obey yeah yeah i get you

[arctic talon]

maybe the planet lacked the proper materials to make a normal gellar shield

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, hmmm.
So basically humanity has encountered the warp before...
Was there any record of experiments on the warp or its first encounters?

[arctic talon]

so the STC spit out that design lol

[queen laurel]

Damn f****** religious nut cases

[arctic talon]

No records on warp experimentation really

first encounters also not really

[crystal forum]

i have one wolf

in a mechanicus book

they use a bomb that uses the warp

[crisp heath]

Got a question about old humanity and ai, what caused the ai to turn on them?

[queen laurel]

What about warp infused the batteries just like the one in space marines

[queen laurel]

I treat them like i treat a person who is annoying to me

[crisp heath]

Like we’re humans terrible and abused them?

[queen laurel]

Not a person at all

Like they literally just are terrible to them

[crystal forum]

nobody knows

we literally know less about men of iron than we do about what roboute's boot smells like

[queen laurel]

Like the votaan have ai's and they would go out of their way to rescue them as kin

[crisp heath]

Based

[queen laurel]

Old humanity on the other hand

Eh

Give or take a few depending on who the person is

[crisp heath]

Me and my robot friend

[wraith quartz]

So was humanity previously a one world government??

[crystal forum]

no

[crisp heath]

Star Wars republic

I don’t actually know if that’s true

Just what I always thought

[crystal forum]

if there was an imperium before the imperium, we have no indication of it

[queen laurel]

Humans aren't the best i admit that

[crystal forum]

shut up ork

[wraith quartz]

Mmm, hmm

[queen laurel]

Your emperor is a psychic vegetable, that caused the death of millions because he wasn't a good father

Billions even

[crystal forum]

you smell like rotten cabbages

[crisp heath]

I think eldar would be cool if they the writers would stop kicking them

[arctic talon]

They’re cool

[fallen plaza]

True

[crisp heath]

Me watching my avatar of khaine get obliterated by a space marine again

[arctic talon]

Stop reading gav thrope books smh

[wraith quartz]

In terms of technological advancements, what were the most noticeable?

[crisp heath]

(It’s the 4th this book)

[wraith quartz]

Outside the STC's

[fallen plaza]

Me when gay thorn

[queen laurel]

That's the best you got snow eater?

[crystal forum]

warp travel

[arctic talon]

What fucking book are you reading

[crisp heath]

Just exaggerating

Cause it’s funny

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

[arctic talon]

I’m going to shove a Shuriken catapult down your throat

[crystal forum]

only good ork is a dead ork

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/leman-russ-tank-dawn-of-war-warhhammer40k-astra-militarum-imperial-guard-gif-22297998

[fallen plaza]

Sodaz : (

[arctic talon]

Blue Las cannon jump scare

[arctic talon]

This one’s on the 40K community 💀

[crystal forum]

it's a plasma cannon in disguise

[arctic talon]

Real

[queen laurel]

Mate it's on the warhammer fans this time

Gw is bad but the fans

[fallen plaza]

I know but still

[queen laurel]

They make GW like angels

[fallen plaza]

Sad he had to leave

[arctic talon]

Its unfortunate he doesn’t make 40K stuff now

But his new stuff is great

[queen laurel]

Yes but his other stuff is good

[fallen plaza]

There's another artist that unfortunately got scared of the dmca

[queen laurel]

And i'm pretty sure gw just said you can make animations as long as you not getting money from them

[fallen plaza]

Even though it didn't target fanart

[crystal forum]

im not scared of the DMCA

[queen laurel]

The fans i think immediately just jumped him without thinking

[arctic talon]

Rip

[fallen plaza]

Ahn Hyoungsup was his name

[arctic talon]

Wait wrong server

[wraith quartz]

If they invented warp drives and encountered the warp before...
Does that mean psykers existed before hand??

[crystal forum]

why tf would the bottom guy be complaining

[arctic talon]

Because it’s a horrifying giant mech

[crystal forum]

knights would fucking demolish in fantasy

[arctic talon]

I don’t think he knows what that is

It’s most likely out of surprise

[crystal forum]

yes

but less so than current imperium

there were multiple psychic awakening

[wraith quartz]

Hmmmm

[arctic talon]

Getting called a cuck in a high fantasy setting goes crazy

[crystal forum]

also one of the emperor's origins stories is a bunch of psykic shamans offed themselves

literally

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

hey at least i said one of

who tf knows where that freak comes from

[arctic talon]

Abnetts edition should have said no

To some of the stuff lol

TEATD is

A bit much sometimes

I’ll drop it here

[crystal forum]

i am NOT reading that brick

[queen laurel]

How do we make the city safe how about lobotomized in people and strapping them on giant robots

[arctic talon]

They’re zombies inside smh

[wraith quartz]

So was there a ||"ShÅdøW GøvëRÑmËnT"|| or something equivalent in the past?

[arctic talon]

Not a living person

[arctic talon]

Maybe on some worlds

[queen laurel]

Still kill people so what makes the difference

That's like saying the imperium only killed 1/5 of the population not the the entire thing

[arctic talon]

Iron watcher vs a level 3 crit smite

[crystal forum]

the emperor is said to have influenced stuff in the past but let's be honest he was too busy planning what to do when humanity fell in his man cave

[arctic talon]

I refuse to acknowledge them as real tbh

It’s been too fucking long

Then again they got mentioned in 2e so

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, mmm

[arctic talon]

I can’t just say it’s not canon or contradicted

Like rogue trader lore

[queen laurel]

That one is older than some of the rocks around the world

[crystal forum]

shirtless custodes

[arctic talon]

Are we ignoring the like 6 books GW has retconned ever

[queen laurel]

Wasn't there also that sister of battle scene with the Gk that was so horrific it was changed multiple times

[arctic talon]

no

it just got changed in the 6e codex

[crystal forum]

😵‍💫

[arctic talon]

I LOVE TAU FTL LORE

[wraith quartz]

So did we encountered aliens before the Strife or was that all covered up by the ||"ShÅdøW GøvëRÑmËnT"||

[arctic talon]

tau FTL lore getting retcon'd every single fucking edition went crazy

that was never a thing

it was just SoB getting murdered

[queen laurel]

It's very funny to me that orks have the very consistent lore

[arctic talon]

it got retcon'd into the sisters willingly dying

Idfk probably

[queen laurel]

Like somehow they have very consistent stuff

[arctic talon]

Its most likely still canon

[queen laurel]

Even though their entire sctick is not being consistent

[arctic talon]

Ian Watson isn't real

/hj

[queen laurel]

Is this guy worse than Thorpe?

And Nick?

[arctic talon]

Ian watson was

certianly a writer

^

[queen laurel]

Oh

So like five times worse

[arctic talon]

genestealer

REDACTED

TTS doesn't even exagerate

the fucking book

[queen laurel]

Wait was he the one who made that inquisitor experiment with the genestealer?

[arctic talon]

Its pretty much a 1 to 1 summary

[arctic talon]

no

this inquisitor wanted to fuck a callidus assasin who could become a genestealer

and I no longer wish to talk about ian watson

or the imperial fist shit vault

or anything else he wrote

[queen laurel]

Damn i need to make an Ian Watson room

The best way to torture someone

[arctic talon]

I'm going to now bring up the fact they ate it ritualistically or something

that book is also one of the few retcon'd books

fun fact

[wraith quartz]

(clears throat) did humanity encountered aliens before Strife happened?

[arctic talon]

yes

or we became friends with them

[crystal forum]

orks feared them

[wraith quartz]

Won?

[arctic talon]

depends

[queen laurel]

Sheesh it seems that this Ian runt sounds like the worst writer to have ever existed in gw history

[arctic talon]

not non aggression so much as they refused to attack human stuff

[crystal forum]

like imagine how unbalanced it must be for orks to not have fun

[arctic talon]

but might as well be a non aggression pact lol

by Ork standards

[queen laurel]

Very fucked

[arctic talon]

its not a good fight

smh

[crystal forum]

nids would crumble if they were in the galaxy

[queen laurel]

Yeah Orks despise fighting enemies they can't beat in departments

Like Tau more often than not outrage them and literally out tactics them

That's why they absolutely despised them

[arctic talon]

this one is meme lore 🤓

[crystal forum]

alright now you're doing the dumb shit

[arctic talon]

this one is true

I'm going to crawl into your rib cage

[queen laurel]

And it's going to be a canon event me beating your skull open

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146299773964521523/1266413374820974733/SPOILER_AylinMoment.gif

[queen laurel]

Oh you're a Genestealer

Damn i didn't know

[crystal forum]

we're all jeanstealers

[wraith quartz]

If the warp is dangerous, how was Humanity been to travel through it without getting buttfudge

[queen laurel]

Bg3 is great but one of the things i am very confused about is somehow a mortal was able to shag the daughter of a god

[arctic talon]

Aylin is an Assimar tbf

[crystal forum]

warp was supposedly less fucky back then but they still lost ships to it

[arctic talon]

she's a mortal

[queen laurel]

So she's more in line of a demigod right

[crystal forum]

some space hulks date to the dark age

[arctic talon]

she just doesn't have the usual thing of being like a descendent of a descendent of a descendent ect.

[arctic talon]

no, just an Assimar

[wraith quartz]

Aaahh

[arctic talon]

This just means someone had a baby with Selune which is crazier lol

[crystal forum]

USE WORDS

[queen laurel]

But you can play them dnd?

[arctic talon]

Assimar are like Tieflings

yes you can play Assimars in DND

[queen laurel]

Like they are basically magical races

[arctic talon]

Aylin isn't my favorite kind of Assimar either

[queen laurel]

Okay so it's one of those

[crystal forum]

i hate fantasy

[arctic talon]

my favorite one is the type that can fucking explode into a ball of fire

Aylins just a normal can grow wings assimar

[queen laurel]

Dnd is like here's some generic races and here are like wardens of gods

And also robots some s***

[arctic talon]

tbf Assimars generally aren't the direct children of gods

usually just angels and stuff

Aylin is special

also probably why she's immortal, mom doesn't want her to die

[queen laurel]

Look if a party can have an angel, descendants of humans that had relationships with demons, an orc and a dwarf

It's always going to be funny

[arctic talon]

*devils

🤓

[queen laurel]

Potato potato they have red skin they look demonic

[arctic talon]

Demons are a lot more evil in DnD

No

those are devils

Demons in DnD don't have red skin

[queen laurel]

Why bother with that distinction

[arctic talon]

Because you can actually become friends/get along with a devil

a Demon is just going to brutally torture and murder you

[queen laurel]

Isn't their entire thing literally making deals where you are going to get absolutely railroaded

[arctic talon]

Devils still follow the laws of hell

[queen laurel]

So they're like a lawful evil?

[arctic talon]

you can literally dispute your pact if you think a devil broke the law

Devils are Lawful evil to the T

[queen laurel]

Hmm

Okay

[arctic talon]

its a pretty rigid and organized society

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah it was a devil that had a crossbow and can go invisible right

[arctic talon]

there's normal cities and such in hell

[queen laurel]

Or was that one just a demon

[arctic talon]

yeah Yurgir is a devil

[queen laurel]

Ok yes i like him so

I am willing to accept the devil analogy

[arctic talon]

they're an artifically made devil courtesy of Zariel's R&D department lol

mostly since The Blood War is an uphill battle for The Devils who are actively trying to stop the entire world from ending

While Demons are trying to end the entire world + every plane of existance

Devils actually want somewhere to live

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah she strap a literal engine from hell on the chest of karlach

[arctic talon]

putting an infernal engine inside a living being is a facinating concept

Karlach also probably isn't aware of whats happening to the soul coins that go in either lol

[queen laurel]

Is it like incredibly unstable?

[arctic talon]

Either way Zariel is a classic the path to hell is paved with good intentions

[queen laurel]

And can only be handled by very specific machinery

[arctic talon]

Only outside of the 9 hells

which isn't intentional

most infernal engines are only ever designed for operation in hell

[queen laurel]

Well at least i can accidentally bring a hell engine Cannon with me and blow up a town

[arctic talon]

my favorite infernal warmachine is the Demongrinder which is meant to be operated by a Paladin

because they can smite via the attached melee weapon at the back

[queen laurel]

Okay that sounds great

[arctic talon]

here's an example of one

The front is like a lawnmower

but demons go in and gore comes out

[queen laurel]

This looks like the type of shit an ork will make

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

And have a weirdboy operate it

[arctic talon]

infernal war machines look

orky

[queen laurel]

Yeah i saw they look very diesel punk

[arctic talon]

but yeah they burn literal souls to operate lol

as in the souls die a horrifying agonizing death as they're burned to fuel them

this also applies to Karlachs engine

[queen laurel]

Are there ways to run the engine without requiring souls?

[arctic talon]

yeah shove a devil or demon or celestial pr fey inside the engine

alive

its still a soul

but its not the usual form

[queen laurel]

So i'm going to assume most of the infernal engines in the nine hells are run by demons

Because they are at a constant war with each other and they are plenty of materials

[arctic talon]

its a mix of mortal souls and demons yeah

any demons who don't get killed usually get shoved into an infernal engine

because Demons come back infinitely

unless their souls are destroyed

Devils only get that luxary when not in The 9 hells

[queen laurel]

Can you make a mech suit that taps into the weave?

As a power source

[arctic talon]

probably?

would need a powerful magic user to maintain it

[queen laurel]

I'm sure the level 20 artificier can find the workaround

[arctic talon]

lol

Raphael being a cambion is funny

bro is not high on the totem pole at all technically

but he has a massive ego

[queen laurel]

What's the highest rank of devil anyway

[arctic talon]

Archdevils and former archdevils

[queen laurel]

Like zariel huh

[arctic talon]

Zariel is the lowest ranking archdevil but yeah

[queen laurel]

What

[arctic talon]

she's also the newest one considering she replaced Bel

[arctic talon]

yeah, she runs the first layer of hell

which is the least appealing one to run

[queen laurel]

How high is the father of rafael

[arctic talon]

because its in a constant state of war

[queen laurel]

In the arch devil totempole

[arctic talon]

Mephistopheles is one from the top

he rules the 8th layer

[queen laurel]

Shit

Who runs the 9th?

[arctic talon]

Asmodeus

who is a god

[queen laurel]

Damn

And he got the short end of the stick in the family tree

[arctic talon]

not the same way the Dead 3 are gods

he's a capital G god whos important to the fundamental parts of existence after his ascension

[queen laurel]

I can understand why raphael wants that crown

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[queen laurel]

Bro got hounded in life

[arctic talon]

Rapheal would literally get stomped to a paste

if he tried displacing Asmodeus

because he'd instantly incur all 8 archdevils wrath + any former archdevils

and also probably some gods lol

[queen laurel]

I think his father is fine with just us taking some stuff from him

Including his life

[arctic talon]

I would like to mention Raphel lives on a layer of hell with 3 archdevils/former archdevils

[wraith quartz]

Ok so, how did our first "reset" happen? The beginning of the "AGE OF STRIFE"

[arctic talon]

A fuck ton of warpstorms occured

which cut off all space travel

the warp got super unstable

[arctic talon]

he'd be lucky if they decided to just kill him lol, his dad might just decide he wants a new ice sculpture

[queen laurel]

Do demons have a leadership structure?

[wraith quartz]

Also sidenote: not interrupt but we also in a sense perfected Artificial Intelligence right?

[queen laurel]

They sound like just straight up monsters

[arctic talon]

its like ork structure, the biggest, meanest, strongest demon is in charge

[arctic talon]

yep

[queen laurel]

Aight make sense that

They want to kind of burn down existence

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Zariel originally was trying to lead a crusade into the Abyss when she was still an Angel

[wraith quartz]

Was there anything interesting about them or were they just really smart programs?

[arctic talon]

she got tricked and ended up in the middle of the fucking blood war which she was not ready for, and turns out she really really really likes killing people

[arctic talon]

Fully sapient and sentient

[wraith quartz]

Sapient

[arctic talon]

They were alive

[queen laurel]

You can try to convince her right but

The rolls

Are uh

[arctic talon]

In descent to avernus you can in fact convince Zariel to redeem herself

now granted its almost impossible

but you can try

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

and also that fight is a mess

her sheet is heavily nerfed lol

[queen laurel]

Almost impossible

[arctic talon]

since its scaled to level 13

[wraith quartz]

I'm pretty sure sentient means conscience/alive

[arctic talon]

they posses an ability to be like humans

self reflect and the such

[wraith quartz]

Oooh

[queen laurel]

Sapient

[wraith quartz]

I know now

[arctic talon]

also you get to cheat in that fight as well

since you get to use her old sword against her

in canon she wasn't redeemed as is obvious in Baldurs Gate 3

[queen laurel]

I mean i would take my chances because we are fighting an arch devil

Even if she is the weakest one

[arctic talon]

running Zariel "as intended" is really funny

[wraith quartz]

So like humans built other physical forms for them or did they kept in monitor stands? (Like a kiosk for example)

[arctic talon]

because the fight is clearly scaled for absurdly high level players

but her fight in descent to avernus is managable

[queen laurel]

Level 20 players?

[arctic talon]

she doesn't get reinforcments, she doesn't get help from Bel, she doesn't get to dump a fresh horde of devils on you everyturn

[arctic talon]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Oh boy

I can imagine

A boss designed to fight level 20 players

Horrific sound that is