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queen laurel
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Like funnily enough Thor's physique and dawn of war is better for strength

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*God of war

dusk patrol
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The funny thing is for WWE Kane was always said to be the strongest dude

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And he was built but like

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He’s built

viral halo
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And now he’s a Republican politician

dusk patrol
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Not sculpted

dusk patrol
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He’s my top 3 wrestlers of all time personally

viral halo
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LMAO

queen laurel
# dusk patrol

Yeah and they find thor funny because he has very similar physique

dusk patrol
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Him, Randy, and Edge or Batista

queen laurel
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Like the drama this physique made is hilarious

viral halo
dusk patrol
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Kurt is probably in my top 5

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Idk it’s hard

raven stone
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I just join a running session, twice per week.

Probably could be doing more but have to fit in housework, miniatures, D&D, maybe other social events...

dusk patrol
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Depends on the day lol

dusk patrol
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Thor isn’t a healthy dude totally

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He’s a god who drinks endlessly and eats a ton

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Hes got the strongman physique mixed with a bad diet of probably drinking too much

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Or that’s the appearance at least

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I haven’t played through 2 yet but I like what I’ve seen and his look is great

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Also a good more unique take to distance him from the Hemsworth Thor

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Which they obviously had to do

queen laurel
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Because they are so used to this representation of thor

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Pretty sure in the original norse mythology it doesn't even have thunder

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It's just an incredibly heavy hammer

dusk patrol
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In the original he’s also just kinda a jokester and dork

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Who sometimes beats people up

queen laurel
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Could be heavier but not familiar with the mythology

dusk patrol
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Norse Mythology gets wild

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Much like Greek mythology a lot of it comes across as some guy being horny and writing fanfic about that

queen laurel
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Loki

rocky gale
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Gotta update that Gaydar, the two of them have been making kissy eyes at each other for a couple episodes now.

queen laurel
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Loki just Loki

dusk patrol
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“What if Zeus banged a lady but he was a swan this time. Oh yeah that’s hot.”

dusk patrol
rocky gale
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Because they all want to kiss

rocky gale
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Damn

rocky gale
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Beat me by a second

dusk patrol
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I hate that I know what mewing is now from this show

queen laurel
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Or something i don't know the ads said it

dusk patrol
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He has the largest dragon bonded to him yeah

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Largest and oldest

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Also he’s a really good fighter and psychopath so

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Fun combo

queen laurel
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A good fighter and literally has the largest and oldest dragon around

dusk patrol
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That’s the idea

rocky gale
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Yep

dusk patrol
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He’s hard carrying his side on that front

rocky gale
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Well

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He kinda did a couple fuck ups

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Rooks Rest sad

dusk patrol
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Fortunately

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The other side also has a really good fighter whose a psychopath

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And has a pretty big dragon too

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Uh I think third

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Third or fourth

rocky gale
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Like 4th or 5th maybe

dusk patrol
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Now at least

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It’s more a skill thing also

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Him and his dragon have fought together way more and for way longer

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Also the blacks have more dragons in general

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The greens are the ones with Vhagar

dusk patrol
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Vhagar also comes from an era of dragon fights

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So she knows how to fuck shit up

rocky gale
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Vermithor, Silverwing and Dreamfyre are all bigger I think, but yea Caraxes and Daemon have the longest bond of any currently living rider and the most real battle experience

dusk patrol
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But her age does hurt her

viral halo
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Daemon has the coolest dragon

dusk patrol
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Yeah

viral halo
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carexes the red wyrm

rocky gale
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Yea Vhagar has got a lot of droopy grandma age going on

dusk patrol
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Also she got fucked up a bit at Rooks rest

viral halo
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I’m getting sick of the daemon harrenhall subplot

rocky gale
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Damn I always mix up the names Caraxes and Syrax

dusk patrol
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It’s kind annoying they don’t bring Dreamfyre up at all

queen laurel
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Are dragons like a rare thing in the house of dragon universe

dusk patrol
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I get Haelena isn’t really cut out for warfare but like

dusk patrol
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There’s not that many

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The events of the show cause them to basically go extinct shortly after until GoT

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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Sam Tarly if he fucked

rocky gale
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Plus at this point the Dragon already went through an extinction level event, so the ones we got are the survivors

dusk patrol
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Yeah

viral halo
dusk patrol
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During the period before the Doom there was thousands or more

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After that very few existed

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And Aegon and Baelerion killed a lot of those

viral halo
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Amazing how in 300 years from dance of dragons to game of thrones there’s not one technical innovation

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You’d think there’d be one musket

queen laurel
dusk patrol
viral halo
dusk patrol
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Once they get big enough

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Ignoring white walkers and gods

viral halo
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When dragons are babies they’re like having cats

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You can just hang out with em

dusk patrol
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GoT has a lot of like

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Unclear entities and creatures

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Dragons are still mysterious but we see what they can do more clearly

viral halo
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GRRM is actually a genius at making magic mysterious

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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And ones like Balerion were capable of destroying the biggest and baddest fort in Westeros by itself

queen laurel
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Like out of all the living creatures in the world of game of thrones

dusk patrol
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But Balerions fire was a special level of powerful too

queen laurel
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It seems that dragons are basically on the top of the food chain

dusk patrol
rocky gale
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Can't be uprooting the delicate fuedal structure with innovation

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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There’s possibly some stuff out there more dangerous but

dusk patrol
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We don’t know much of them

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Just that they exist

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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GRRM likes to keep stuff mysterious

dusk patrol
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Dragons also mostly only respond to those with Vlyarian blood

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And not even for all of them

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How it works is intentionally unclear

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Like we don’t even know how they reproduce really

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And how their genders work

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Why their fire is so powerful and all that

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Why some have more powerful fire

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How their breeds and looks work and all that

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Also there’s weird stuff like riders of black dragons tending to have fertility and sex drive issues

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Which isn’t explained

dusk patrol
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Some of them have much stronger fire

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Balerion is the main example of having absurdly deadly fire which could destroy castles

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His fire was also actually black

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And he was massive

rocky gale
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The stone towers of Harrehall melting like candles under his fire

dusk patrol
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He was the last dragon ever from old Valyria too I believe

viral halo
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Kinda funny how viserys got to ride balerion for like a week

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Took him for one flight around kings landing

dusk patrol
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Yeah he only rode him once iirc

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He was super old by then

rocky gale
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Although something to keep in mind is one of Balerions last riders, Aerea Targaryen flew him back to the Ruins of Valyria and whatever was there fucked him up

dusk patrol
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He was like 200 years old when he died iirc

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I really want them to do an Aegon the Conquerer show ngl

viral halo
dusk patrol
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He’s such an interesting character

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He was an insanely effective conquerer but he was also super withdrawn and comes across as almost autistic socially

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His sisters ran most of the actual ruling stuff

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He has huge issues having kids

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I really like the concept of him

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Also you know

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The Black Dread

rocky gale
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There's a theory that Aegon never actually had any children, they were all secretly bastards

dusk patrol
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Yeah

viral halo
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Them targaryen folk sure do be strange

dusk patrol
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Also he wasn’t even pure Valyrian

viral halo
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I wonder how long they’re gonna drag HOTD out

dusk patrol
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Probably 4-5 seasons it seems

viral halo
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I think the major war kickoff will be the final year of this season

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Cause now we’re still in the seed sowing

dusk patrol
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Yeah

viral halo
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Ppl ain’t ready for what’s to come

dusk patrol
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I think they’ve said they have plans for an Aegon show

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And also a Robert’s Rebellion show eventually feels like an obvious choice

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Dude Rhaegar vs Robert fuck me I want it so bad

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With a proper budget

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The whole Battle of the Trident

rocky gale
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Demon of the Trident time

dusk patrol
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Prime Robert

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Winning a battle after he runs out of a brothel naked

rocky gale
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Rapidly approaching violence

dusk patrol
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Also they could show peak Selmy and Dane

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Show the whole sequence of Selmy rescuing Aerys

rocky gale
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Oh Defiance of Duskendale

dusk patrol
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I can’t recall how far off that is from the Rebellion

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But I don’t think it’s too far

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I really love the chain of events which leads to what happens too, how Robert didn’t really wanna be king he just wanted Lyanna back, how everyone was looking forward to Rhaegar and was just riding out Aerys being crazy until he died and Rhaegar could take over, Rhaegar and Lynna being stupid and eloping without telling anyone and then Ned’s brother threatening the King which chain reactions it all

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Basically how easily it could have just ended with Aerys being a little cooky but dying and then Rhaegar takes over and everyone is happy mostly

rocky gale
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Oh we'd have to see the Tourney of Harrenhall as well

dusk patrol
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But mfers had to be horny bastards

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Look at these two dipshits

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And then poor Elia suffers the worst because of it

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But yeah it’s a great story and even though we mostly know it all I’d love to see it

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Also seeing Robert react to Lynna being dead after he did all that for her thinking she was kidnapped, and now he has to be king when he doesn’t even want that

rocky gale
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But remember, not wanting to be King is what makes a great King

dusk patrol
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I really love Robert’s character of how the war was the best time of his life in many ways while also the worst and he won, but then he not only didn’t get the girl he was doing it all for but he didn’t actually want to rule or be a king.

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And he was just dead inside for years while probably knowing or suspecting that Cerseis kids aren’t even his

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And not caring really, because he hates Joffrey because he’s a psychopath

rocky gale
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"People who seek the throne are the least suited for it" mfers when the person who didn't want to be King is an awful King because they don't want to be King

dusk patrol
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And he just lets the Lannisters run all over him and his small council do whatever because he didn’t care

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And unfortunately he was so stubborn that he wasn’t gonna even let Ned or Jon Aryyn talk him into being responsible for the sake of the people

dusk patrol
green loom
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So it'd be part of the setup probably

dusk patrol
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking

green loom
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Following Jamie as a POV char for that would be pretty great

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Actually the Defiance of Duskendale would go pretty hard as an opening scene for season 1

dusk patrol
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Yeah seeing young Jaime would be cool

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Yeah the Defiance is about 5 years prior to the Rebellion

dense dawn
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Or Fulgrim

dusk patrol
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Yes

dense dawn
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I'm on season 3 and the victim mentality on this BITCH is crazy

green loom
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The books are better for her iirc

dusk patrol
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Well

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Idk about better

green loom
storm jungle
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Cersei is a totally normal human being idk what you guys are talking about

green loom
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smilecat x2

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I want to draw more game of thrones stg

storm jungle
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LMAO

green loom
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It's like ideal for some stuff j want to study

dusk patrol
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Book Cersei kinda got me hoping Tywin might adopt me ngl

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But no somehow the book version felt even worse to read about, she does fucked up stuff

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Robert isn’t a good husband for a lot of reasons but she also put basically no effort into fixing that either and she’s the person who raised Joffrey ultimately

storm jungle
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Robert is prob one of the best short-lived characters for that reason

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basically a warrior that is good for nothing else but fighting, and him basically growing fat and not being a good father kickstarted a lot of the wrong shit

thorn zenith
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He pigged out and got pigged out

storm jungle
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LOL

dusk patrol
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GRRM likes putting a lot of different ways things could have gone right

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Like if Selmy doesn’t save Aerys, if Rhaegar and Lynna aren’t horny fucks, if Rhaegar kills Robert, if Lynna doesn’t die, if Brandon doesn’t threaten Rhaegar to Aerys, and so on

storm jungle
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Best part of the series tbh, people making honest or dumbass mistakes all due to impulses.

dusk patrol
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Granted obviously stuff could have still gone wrong if that had happened but yeah

storm jungle
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Yeah its more just these effects making a "speedrun" dilemma where it only hastened it.

dusk patrol
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The events which lead to the War of the Five Kings could easily have been averted

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Also, if Rob hadn’t been a fucking simp for some girl he knocked up jfc Rob I get honor but come on

storm jungle
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Its the same reason I love the Red Wedding, people only focus on the aspect of "omg a lot of main characters die out of nowhere this is so grimdark and tragic!"

When like, after it happens when you take a step back you notice Robb legit fucked up in the worst way possible and also hastened his end, obviously the Freys/Boltons were never trustworthy but all his emotional turmoil basically led to him, his mom, his wife and all his bannermen being slaughtered.

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its some good shit

dusk patrol
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Also Karstag and how he handles that

storm jungle
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YEP many dominoes

dusk patrol
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There’s multiple times he could have still won pretty easily

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Because if he doesn’t lose Karstag then Boltons and Frey probably don’t turn

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It would be suicide for them to

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And he wouldn’t need the Freys anyways technically

storm jungle
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Its one of the more realistic parts i like in the books

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EVERY ally of Robb wants something

rocky gale
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Is it not Karstark?

storm jungle
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and has their own needs, they arent just NPCs

dusk patrol
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Probably

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I can’t remember all the names

rocky gale
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Shame

storm jungle
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yeah there is a lot of Houses under his banner

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the show barely covers most of them since they dont put any effort into their heraldries, drip and such minus a few like the Tully's lol

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which is one part of HotD I immensely like in comparison

storm jungle
rocky gale
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Riverlands get that focus because their whole deal is being fairly divided due to having quite a weak liege

storm jungle
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also their ancestors being named after Muppets

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peak writing, id do the same tbh

rocky gale
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It’s just funny like the Tullys aren’t really that special compared to all the other fancy Lord Paramounts, like their lands are smaller than most of their own vassals

dusk patrol
# storm jungle

“GRRM is one of the best fantasy authors of our time.”

Also GRRM:

storm jungle
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SHUT.

storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
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also this

dusk patrol
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Does anyone else have the Blackfish?

storm jungle
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Blackfish Supreme

dusk patrol
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Nope

rocky gale
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They don’t own a great city and their keep isn’t the most impressive in the Riverlands, they’re basically just the guy that was standing closest to Aegon when he got to the Riverlands

storm jungle
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well yeah thats the realistic bit again

storm jungle
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you dont really get these things through the stuff you mentioned half the time

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its a matter of time, place and many other things

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its what makes IRL history stuff also interesting

rocky gale
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Yea it’s just long standing tradition of competence and not being a dick

celest dome
dusk patrol
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I mean I think he is

green loom
storm jungle
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Hes one of the best fantasy authors.

dusk patrol
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I also think Tolkien is a great author with some goofy stuff too

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Any prolific author is gonna have some silly stuff or whatever

storm jungle
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As much as people wave away ASOIAF for having so much grimdark aspects they really got no idea how good the plot, characters and the world itself is.

dusk patrol
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Well yeah because War of the Roses was written really well

storm jungle
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its like looking at 40k and going "its just people killing each other i dont care about it or want to get into it"

dusk patrol
green loom
celest dome
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He is a great author sure, but hardly the best I'd say

dusk patrol
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I said one of the best fantasy authors of our time

storm jungle
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^

dusk patrol
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Which I think isn’t that controversial of a take

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Tolkien isn’t “of our time” to be clear

storm jungle
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Tolkien definitely sits on the high chair but theres lots of good authors beneath him, especially through influence.

rocky gale
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A friend of mine refused to get into it because she read parts of it and was like “but I hate Tyrion, he seems so evil” yea he’s supposed to.

storm jungle
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also saying this to the guy whos been treated as a freak all his life lol

celest dome
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I dislike ASOIAF, but I loved a couple of his short stories, like The Ice Dragon short

dusk patrol
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He should have tried not being born ugly

green loom
dusk patrol
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Look at Peter Dinklage, his Tyrion is handsome and he’s much happier

queen laurel
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Fuckin golden order piece of shit

green loom
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Mans just wanted to play with his languages

rocky gale
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Tyrions whole thing is deep down he is actually quite a horrible person, but he still regularly does the right thing (even if it’s sometimes for the wrong reasons) and despite doing the right thing he still gets shit on for it anyway.

dusk patrol
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Tbh I think it’s just like his siblings, his dad fucked him up bad

storm jungle
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I definitely understand when people dont like GoT but calling it bad fiction is usually what irks me. But I also understand why since the grimdark appeal is one of its big drawing points and what made it a big sensation

dusk patrol
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And it all goes downhill from there

storm jungle
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it also made me notice how good Warhammer is at censoring horrible shit

dusk patrol
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A lot of things probably change if Joanna doesn’t die in childbirth

storm jungle
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Also yeah Tyrion killing his mom is the biggest catalyst

green loom
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"40k is so grimdark" mfkrs when you bring up the lukewarm shock value plot thread instead of the horrible misery the average person calls life

storm jungle
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it made Tywin bitter

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it made Cersei hate Tyrion even more

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etc etc

rocky gale
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Just reminded me I need to watch alt shift x’s video on “The real Jon Snow”

queen laurel
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Tywin had hatred for his dad for basically taking whores into their house to replace his mom who died too

rocky gale
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Yea love him and Glidus, just haven’t got round to that vid yet

queen laurel
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Because the tv series after a few seasons in you begin to want to pull your hair out apparently

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Which made him hate Tyrion for going to brothels

storm jungle
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like George wrote so many threads he has quite literally binded himself in them lol

storm jungle
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he admitted as much himself

dusk patrol
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Yeah

storm jungle
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Yeah thats one issue with like

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treating every character realistically

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all their wants/needs entangle each other

queen laurel
green loom
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Very much enjoying the pretty soldiers all the different houses have

storm jungle
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this isnt a problem with warhammer where like almost every character is a cartoon or one dimensional

queen laurel
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There's no way it can be worse than than the show

storm jungle
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like Horus just wants to kill the Emperor and is being kinda manipulated, thats it

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meanwhile you can write an entire essay on Littlefinger

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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^

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Unless you appreciate that sort of writing it can get super complex

dusk patrol
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It wouldn’t all translate well

storm jungle
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like to the point of brain exhaustion

dusk patrol
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There’s a lot more characters and GoT already arguable has too many characters

rocky gale
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Although I will say GRRM plays favourites, like Blackwood’s always win

queen laurel
rocky gale
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Bracken and Peake always lose

queen laurel
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So probably not going to try it

dusk patrol
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It’s really obvious he loved Daemon

green loom
rocky gale
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Yea

dusk patrol
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But I can’t blame him Daemon is a really fun character

rocky gale
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Luv me Brackens

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Luv my Darklyns

green loom
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Like the Burning Mill is way more overtly Bracken-favoured in the show

rocky gale
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Luv me Celtigars

green loom
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And Amos Bracken survives

storm jungle
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Them having feuds over shit like naming a pair of hills over a maiden's tits is some peak writing

rocky gale
green loom
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Both houses are also portrayed as crazy unhinged

storm jungle
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Yeah it fits too, its why i love that off-screen battle

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whoever says that shit is silly should look up the War of the Bucket

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lol

green loom
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It makes you go "wtf seriously?"
Then you meet tue houses properly with Willem/Amos and the small council/Simon Strong elaborate
And now it makes sense

rocky gale
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Burning Mill in the show is perfect, as it encapsulates perfectly the entirety of the Dance

dusk patrol
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I really want them to do an Aegon series

queen laurel
rocky gale
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A petty squabble where no one truly wins, while thousands die

green loom
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Sidenote, love Beria as Simon

dusk patrol
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It does make for good drama though

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Yeah

storm jungle
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we do have production shots of the prior already

rocky gale
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Blackfyre show though?

dusk patrol
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Dunc and Egg I’m really looking forward to

storm jungle
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Same, i love them

storm jungle
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Im only worried about bloat, i dont want these to end up like MCU shows.

dusk patrol
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Also a Robert’s Rebellion show plz

storm jungle
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This is basically Ferrus/Fulgrim but Good Ending KEKW_ogryn

dusk patrol
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I wanna see that wife stealing twink get his lungs caved in

storm jungle
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LMAO

dusk patrol
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But seriously it’s such a cool duel

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And GRRM normally doesn’t do the whole “Duel of Fates” thing

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But their duel is actually a super key duel between two of the absolute pinnacle of their age without any real tricks

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They both almost get the other and it’s a straight up prolonged fight

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And the Trident is so cool and also

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Robert is the only guy whose not a dipshit using a sword

storm jungle
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Also hes using a warhammer

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totally not biased

dusk patrol
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I get they’re cool but GRRM

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You can’t keep describing everyone in plate

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And then everyone using swords

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Like fuck me give someone a mace

viral halo
dusk patrol
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Yes

storm jungle
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Yes

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100%

viral halo
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Is it gritty like everything else GRRM

storm jungle
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It has big Warhammer Fantasy vibes but you know just more grounded.

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Uhhh kinda so and so

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You wont read about sexual assault every 30 pages

viral halo
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I love love love descriptions of Sam tarlys weiner

dusk patrol
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It’s actually kinda happy and nice in the outcomes

viral halo
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Does it have sufficient gore

dusk patrol
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There is some ass which gets kicked

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I need to re read it

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It’s been a minute

viral halo
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My flight just got delayed so thinking about what to read

rocky gale
storm jungle
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LOL

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SHUT UP

rocky gale
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Wholesome family moment

dusk patrol
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I SAID KINDA

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By GRRM standards

hallow plover
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GoT books were neat

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Shame that i've been waiting for book 6 since.... i don't even remember

dusk patrol
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That Jersey fat boy can write

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When he wants to

viral halo
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GRRM said the fans could kill him if he didn’t finish the next book by 2020

dusk patrol
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He did at least say he has it in his will to release his outline of the end of the books if he dies

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So there is that

viral halo
# dusk patrol When he wants to

Watching his discussion with Stephen king where Stephen says he writes at minimum five pages a day and GRRM laughs it off like yea I don’t write

hallow plover
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I stopped watching the show when Jon got shived to death

dusk patrol
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We’ll see

storm jungle
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the Horus Heresy wrapped up

dusk patrol
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That’s a wild thought jeez

hallow plover
dusk patrol
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The heresy basically started and ended in the time between books

viral halo
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Horus heresy is perfect example of 1000 monkeys in a room will eventually write Shakespeare

soft thunder
dusk patrol
storm jungle
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THE LAST BOOK

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CAME OUT IN 2011

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HOLY FUCK

hallow plover
dusk patrol
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Did if I could insert an OC into his universe it would just be yet another big ass knight dude but he has a mace

viral halo
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I read it in 2014 so excited

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Now I’m almost thirty

dusk patrol
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He’d be unstoppable

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Just give the mountain a fucking giant mace

dusk patrol
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True

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But it would be a cool fatass knight

storm jungle
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but also nothing wrong with more knights

hallow plover
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Cercei is just a hardcore soccer mom / karen

storm jungle
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"I WONT MARRY ANOTHER PERSON YOU CANT MAKE ME DAD"

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"Bitch shut the fuck up"

hallow plover
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She just wanted her kids well being

dusk patrol
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Nah that’s Catelyn Stark

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The Karen of the North

hallow plover
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Ahh true

dusk patrol
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Cersei is like

hallow plover
#

But shes undead or idk

dusk patrol
#

Fuck idk Karen is kinda too easy for her

hallow plover
#

Indont even know what the show madeof her

green loom
#

She just stays dead

hallow plover
#

And I don't remember the books since it's been so long

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

LOL

#

Fair

dusk patrol
#

Cyborg knight go!

storm jungle
#

Valyrian material is literally the STC of game of thrones

green loom
#

In the books she becomes Lady Stoneheart

dusk patrol
#

Pelinal Whitestrake but in GoT

#

Also he has a mace this time

#

And he hates idk

#

Flip a coin

#

Lannisters feels too easy

hallow plover
#

In case someone out here wants to read good fantasy in french; read "Gagner la Guerre" by Jean-Philippe Jaworski

dusk patrol
#

I guess Pelinal in GoT would have caused the Doom of Valyria

hallow plover
#

Perfection

dusk patrol
#

Is the English version any good/does it even exist

hallow plover
#

Hasn't been translated sadly

dusk patrol
#

Shame

hallow plover
#

My first language is french and i'm grateful I stumbled on that book/author

#

Otherwise there's Gene Wolfe for english readers

#

Great stuff

viral halo
#

Anyone got good book recommendations for Star Wars

dusk patrol
#

A lot of the novelizations of the movies were pretty good iirc

#

Thrawn stuff is obvious as a choice

viral halo
#

I read the ROTS novelization which is fantastic

#

I love Star Wars but I need some grit

#

Some edge

rocky gale
celest dome
#

Elsewhere in the galaxy, the forge world of Gryphonne IV is dead. Consumed by the relentless Hive Fleet Leviathan, only a handful of Magi survived, now devoid of purpose. Explorator Talin Sherax refuses to let hope die, and after learning of a powerful relic that could return everything to its former glory, she sets off on a long and dangerous journey.

Dominion Genesis by Jonathan D Beer is an epic quest into the unknown, where protagonist Talin feels the pull of heresy keenly, as she attempts to turn back time for the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Oh yeah, that's nice

storm jungle
#

OH MY GOD

#

ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING MCGUFFIN PLOTS

#

but also admech book so ill take it

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

Interested in the admech one the most admittedly but its also nice to see Sexorcists get a novel

#

generic ahh cover aside

celest dome
storm jungle
#

Aughhhh pain

queen laurel
# dusk patrol

Wait is that like that imperial guard lady who is a very good pilot

dusk patrol
#

I appreciate they have his armor the wards and scripture wraps. And he’s all tatted up with them too

queen laurel
#

What was her name again

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

damn lmao

#

BRUH

#

projecting much

spring cairn
#

to show off the rest of the tatoos

storm jungle
dusk patrol
celest dome
#

Denny Flowers returns with a new tale of unparalleled odds, as Lucille, broken by war and reputation crumbling, must face off against a seemingly invincible xenos mercenary in Above and Beyond.

Sandy Mitchell, the author of the Ciaphas Cain novels, had this to say:

“Outgunned had everything I want from a Warhammer 40,000 novel: compelling characters, a gripping narrative delivered in crisp, deft prose, and things going fast and exploding. Above and Beyond more than lives up to its title, having all these things again but bigger and better, and revealing more of the wider picture merely hinted at in the first volume. Simlex and Shard are rapidly becoming the most iconic double act since Gotrek and Felix, and I’m eagerly awaiting their next adventure.”

spring cairn
#

what's the point to have'em if you cover them up

#

loose the armor buddy

dusk patrol
#

Show us the dick wards

spring cairn
#

1 ward on each ball

celest dome
#

You Imperialites really are as strange as us

dusk patrol
#

The key question is, do they just ward the cheeks or also the anus?

dusk patrol
#

I feel like I’d want my butthole warded idk

spring cairn
#

purity seal on the anus, can't let the heresy get in

dusk patrol
#

We know they can’t ward the bottom of the feet

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Cause they’re soleless.

queen laurel
#

Apparently one to the greatest imperial pilots ever live

dusk patrol
#

Yarp

#

Also lots of PTSD

queen laurel
#

I need to get into reading more but i'm still too f****** stupid

spring cairn
#

i don't think you need years of literature classes to appreciate warhammer novels to be honest

#

i think the minimum requirement is being literate

storm jungle
#

yeah you dont

queen laurel
dusk patrol
queen laurel
#

It's not that i can't read it's the fact that i i'm too lazy to do so

dusk patrol
#

Audiobooks exist lol

queen laurel
#

I prefer reading

#

Because i can put my own funny voice on the characters

dusk patrol
#

I don’t care for it mostly either

#

It depends though

queen laurel
#

Like i only listened to war boss and sons of behamat and da big dakka

#

After that i just can't get through an audiobook

storm jungle
spring cairn
#

audio makes it easier to pair it with another activity in order to multitask more efficiently

storm jungle
#

Fall of Cadia literally got re-released from how bad the narrator was

dusk patrol
#

Just use Audible™️. Every month you get a “free” credit you can use to purchase any book.

Sign up now for only .99 a month!

storm jungle
#

FUCK NO

dusk patrol
#

But wait

#

We’ll hound you

#

We’ll follow you to the ends of the earth

#

We’ll find you and we will make you appreciate our great value prices

spring cairn
#

the people who write this stuff are on GW's payroll right ?

#

they don't make direct money from the sales

dusk patrol
#

I believe they get bonuses from sale

#

There’s definitely incentives in place to sell more books

spring cairn
#

Would've been easier to justify not paying for those if they didn't

#

so I think they shouldn't

storm jungle
#

Yeah the books dont make a lot of money minus some very rare cases where its like a central thing ala End and the Death or some other big title.

#

Also they gotta rely on outside sites to see how well a book was recieved

#

theres some BL authors that appeared on reddit confirming this saying they literally sometimes check GoodReads to see if the reviews for their books are liked or not KEKW_ogryn

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Yeah but warhammer audio novels tend to be pretty well done

queen laurel
#

And like it's the only piece of media that showcases gargan's well

dusk patrol
#

Their audio dramas are basically always good yeah

storm jungle
#

its literally a movie with sound

dusk patrol
#

I wish they did more longer ones

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Like Eisenhorn

#

Infinite and the Divine would be perfect too

#

Helsreach

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

There’s a bunch I’d love to see

storm jungle
#

I think thats basically "too long dont wanna bother"

Because you gotta sound-act every motion, gun, gesture, talky-bits, tech etc.

#

which like, isnt a hard thing its more that GW tend to be cheapskates about it

storm jungle
queen laurel
#

Beastmen fans give me a high five

storm jungle
#

DAMN

#

too soon

queen laurel
#

They also got the funny

storm jungle
#

Tribal orks moment

queen laurel
#

I'm looking at you gw the gloom spite gitz and ogor mawtribes are fine

dusk patrol
queen laurel
#

Going to trust them as they did give them new rules in the 4th edition

dusk patrol
#

The age of the green skin is over

#

The time of the hungry hungry zombie delusional dudes is here

#

Me and the fam, nice day

#

Felt cute, might delete later idk

hallow plover
#

Just give me my beastie boys back

hallow plover
#

It's ok i'll learn kill team instead of aos

#

At least 40k has playable beastmen

dusk patrol
#

Obviously your AoS faction just found a portal to 40k and came back with some chain swords

hallow plover
#

All the better

#

Since I like 40k more than aos

#

Now everything I like is in one place

#

gotrek ends up in 40k

#

👀

queen laurel
#

So you can try that when they release it again

hallow plover
#

Yea but I thought TOW is already dead

dusk patrol
#

Who knows

hallow plover
#

Haven't really followed what was going on with tow

rocky gale
# dusk patrol

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

#

Another Lucille Von Shard novel

hallow plover
#

I'll just read my 40k books and paint my death guard

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

I’ll paint your books and read your death guard

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

I really like this guy

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

He’s a questing knight I believe

#

So he’s trying to become a grail knight

#

Generally

#

Or some other goal

queen laurel
#

Aight good enough

storm jungle
#

hes also questing

#

as the name implies

dusk patrol
#

Trying to get that quest cape

rocky gale
queen laurel
rocky gale
#

Nope they still use it for some of the new Old World models for some reason

#

and also some of the new Necromunda models for some reason

spring cairn
#

i hate raisins

queen laurel
#

Shit

rocky gale
#

Think it's just Old World, Necromunda, Blood Bowl and some of the older AoS and 40k models that haven't been updated yet

#

Horus Heresy also regularly gets new resin models also

queen laurel
#

Ok they aren't making a lot of the other things resin

rocky gale
#

But that's usually character models

queen laurel
#

But i'm still surprised they still use resin

dusk patrol
queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

It’s more precise and not as soft

#

But it has a lot of other issues

queen laurel
#

So easier to mold i suppose

dusk patrol
#

It’s bad for kitbashing and it’s common it comes out wrong for people

queen laurel
rocky gale
#

The rumour I've heard is GW plan to stop all Resin produciton by 2025/26 because of tax changes coming in the UK which will make it less financially viable, so they're currently releasing and selling all the backlog resign models they have before then

dusk patrol
#

People prefer and are happy for plastic re-releases for a reason

queen laurel
#

Yeah i heard the material is a nightmare to work with

dusk patrol
#

It’s also quite toxic

rocky gale
#

Yea Forge World resin is notorious for being bad quality, harder to work with and more expensive

#

The only saving grace is FW customer support is great

dusk patrol
#

They do a good job replacing fuck ups but

#

It’s nicer when you don’t have to lol

queen laurel
#

It doesn't matter that you have a good customer support it can get annoying

dusk patrol
#

Basically

queen laurel
#

Well i hope that they can just get their plans on removing the resin use in the future to make the people happy so that i get less complaining and i get more stuff to read about

rocky gale
#

I mean it's the Warhammer community, people will still complain when they eventually scrap all the resin models

queen laurel
fallen plaza
#

I’ll be kinda sad when all resin is gone

#

Theres still some good stuff thats still resin

plush mason
arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

Resin has some upsides over plastic

crystal forum
#

you know what resin can also do?

#

be printed

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

Resin is still toxic when you're cutting/shaving it

crystal forum
#

liquid resin however is quite toxic if injested and even skin contact can cause reactions

arctic talon
#

which you need to do

#

don't get the particles in your lungs

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

obviously

#

but it gets in the air easier then plastic

crystal forum
#

i dont know about FW's resin but the ones i use dont become dust unless i'm sanding it

#

that shit creates a cloud

green loom
#

We should violently rip 4chan memes out of the fandom with a rusty hatchet

fallen plaza
#

4chan hasnt been culturally relevant for awhile now, its reddit you should be worried more

fallen plaza
#

I’ve always read gavs name as “Gay Thorpe”

lime basalt
#

Are there any las pistols that go Brrr?

arctic talon
#

automatic ones?

#

yeah

spring cairn
#

most of them have firemodes they can switch between iirc

crystal forum
#

as opposed to the lasgun which is always considered better than normal autoguns, laspistols and autopistols are both used

lime basalt
#

So, no Luzis then ay?

crystal forum
#

they can exist

lime basalt
#

Neat

crystal forum
#

it's just that autopistols are much more common

fallen plaza
#

Theres no reason they cant exist

#

Would be silly if they didnt

spring cairn
#

a luzi would just be a normal lasgun made compact

#

short barrel, no stock

#

on full auto

arctic talon
#

^

crystal forum
#

essentially a shorter lascarbine

arctic talon
#

tbh if you can think of a lasgun varient

#

its prolly been made

crystal forum
#

iirc autopistols also encompass submachineguns

#

so the similarity is there

shell mason
#

nerd chat

#

how is everyone?

green loom
#

Pretty good

shell mason
#

mood

young pecan
#

Pretty good hbu

shell mason
#

I'm ight

#

working long hours

fallen plaza
#

I pray for more working hours upon you

shell mason
hearty grail
shell mason
fallen plaza
#

Wtf are you talking about

arctic talon
rose thorn
rocky gale
rose thorn
dense dawn
dusk patrol
#

Unironically though

#

There is an unfortunate reason they have that policy

celest dome
crystal forum
#

insane people should have their internet rights revoked

rocky gale
#

Then who would even use the internet?

celest dome
#

Fair bullied

raven stone
#

Everyone: crying over Coteaz.
Me: Folornly hoping GW would expand weapon choices for custom Inquisitors.

#

(No really, what the fuck am I supposed to create a generic undefined “combi weapon” from that does the profile justice…)

#

(At least give us an option for Plasma Pistol damnit! Bolt pistols are for Guard, and even their officers can get Plasma Pistols…)

arctic talon
#

Killteam the tabletop game is good

fallen plaza
green loom
#

Yeah because we REALLY need another matt ward huh

fallen plaza
#

It's almost as if giving credit is the industry standard

#

Who would have thought!

#

The fact we have to hunt down for credits for artist is ridiculous and shouldn't be the norm

green loom
#

Yeah you can thank the community for that smilecat

dusk patrol
#

It’s not like when they’re applying job they wouldn’t have a portfolio showing their stuff

green loom
#

Certain styles are also very distinct

#

You can pretty easily tell when Lewis Jones or Miguel Iglesias made a piece

fallen plaza
#

That is if you know who the artist is in the first place

#

Which the codex won't tell you

green loom
#

I mean it's pretty easy to open 40kgallery...

dusk patrol
#

They decided a long time ago that was gonna be the policy

fallen plaza
#

And I am still malding about it

dusk patrol
#

John Blanche was who set the policy

#

They didn’t do it for no reason

#

We frankly don’t need to know about for the artists purposes it’s not like it’s hard to claim what they do

fallen plaza
#

No one would fund Duncan Rhodes Kickstarter if all they saw where a bunch of hands

#

It's a basic industry standard, credit is how artist are known and get hired, to hide them in the veneer of harrassment removes them of that

#

Art station is mostly for industry professionals, the average player won't bother to go there

green loom
#

The artists they hire are usually pretty high profile industry professionals lmao

fallen plaza
#

And?

#

That magically wipes the need for credit away?

plush mason
#

sadly the community has proven untrustworthy of such info

#

all it takes is a few idiots sending death threats to get stuff like this

fallen plaza
#

ah i see, that must be why hollywood stopped crediting people after the release of the last jedi

plush mason
#

possibly

dusk patrol
#

It’s not like it’s hard for employers to verify if someone did something

#

Which is the only time it really matters.

plush mason
#

yeah public accrediting isnt all that big of a deal with in the industry itself

#

they have internal sources for such things

dusk patrol
#

It’s literally illegal for employers to deny if you worked for them and did something

plush mason
#

yup

dusk patrol
#

And they can’t even mention if you sucked or whatever, it’s just verification of work

rocky gale
#

Feel like yous are talking about two different thing with the artists and the painting team, the artists are fine with the policy because it protects them to an extent, the painting team however were not all onboard with the "only hands" policy change because it was a GW policy that was deliberately made to stop the painters gaining recognition from the painting tutorial videos.

dusk patrol
#

This policy went into place like

#

Almost 20 years ago now

#

15-16 actually but still

#

It was largely due to the whole Ward episode and the growing online component

#

It’s also silly to act like GW has to care about people trying to build their own fame from videos the company produces, if those people wanna leave and go independent they always can.

rocky gale
#

Again you're talking about different policies

#

The Art Policy was almost 20 years ago, the policy for the Painting team was in the past couple of years

dusk patrol
#

It’s moot for either, it’s not some mystery joining them what the deal is and their reasons for both are valid, GW decided they wanted a specific setup for their videos and they chose that, they don’t owe anyone screen time or whatever

#

No ones holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to make these videos and considering the quality they still have for them and the new art and all that it definitely doesn’t seem to dissuade people.

#

Really my only major complaint is new codex lore is super sparse and I seriously doubt that has anything to do with crediting writers considering they did fine with that for over a decade.

rocky gale
#

Plus GW has already walked back the Policy for the Painting Team because it was pretty unpopular with both the presenters and community.

dusk patrol
#

More we were specifically talking about the policy which Blanche set years ago and someone brought up an entirely different thing for no reason

rocky gale
#

It was you and Zimmer talking about it, but you were talking about Blanche and he was talking about Duncan Rhodes

#

So it seemed like he was conflating the two policies for the different teams like they were one thing

tough haven
rose thorn
# tough haven

oh hey its the guy who does the adpetus rediculus title screens

#

or uh,

#

thumbnails

storm jungle
#

Lmao i was gonna say

#

ugly ass staregryn

rocky gale
#

What everyone secretly wants

fallen plaza
rocky gale
#

Possibly

#

I'm something of a niche internet micro celebrity, some of my YouTube comments have many likes chadgryn

fallen plaza
#

I swear ive either seen you in a server called dakka or yogabagaba or in the verm server

rocky gale
#

I do not recall any of those servers

fallen plaza
#

Probably all in my head then

rocky gale
#

I do be living there

fallen plaza
rose thorn
arctic talon
#

they are chill

fallen plaza
#

Most of them are

green loom
#

Not me

rocky gale
#

You know what they say about the art business, it's chill or be chilled

dusk patrol
#

I choose be chilled

wraith quartz
#

Hey, sidenote: given that the Navy is the "soccer mom" in terms of planetary troop development. On the scale of "WE NEED IMMEDIATE TROOP REINFORCEMENT ON THIS LOCATION, NOW" to "Oh send this Company of troops to this Garrison and also bring a couple of Lemon Russe's as well". What type of transportation devices/ methods does the Navy use to send Militarum PlanetSide?

#

@ or me when you have the chance

dusk patrol
#

There’s massive landers which find thousands of troops

#

And also basic landers

wraith quartz
#

Hmmm mmm

celest dome
dusk patrol
#

You can see one such example in the background here

#

But there’s lots of different sizes and what not

wraith quartz
dusk patrol
#

And then you have stuff like Titan landers and knight drop keeps and all that

wraith quartz
#

Ah

dusk patrol
#

Drop pods and drop ships also exist for elite elements

#

Or drop troopers with grav chutes

wraith quartz
#

So on the higher scale of "WE NEED IMMEDIATE TROOP REINFORCEMENTS NOW" like to be immediately dropped into the front lines, what's the most common transportation devices/method

dusk patrol
#

Some kind of drop ship I guess

wraith quartz
#

Ah, ok loregryn

#

Second sidenote: in Darktide what type of aircraft is used to move the operatives to and from the field of engagement

dusk patrol
#

Valkyrie I believe

#

Which is the standard drop ship the guard and equivalents use typically

celest dome
#

It's a Valk
I think we see another type of ship too but I forgot which

wraith quartz
#

Oooh, so that's what it's called ok. loregryn

dusk patrol
#

There might be others but that’s the main one you see

celest dome
#

In the Gloriana mission

dusk patrol
#

Some missions we get there other ways though

wraith quartz
#

That's all I have for today. Though I do have something very FUNNY for you guys tomorrow afternoon

celest dome
#

I think it's a Vulture ? Might just be mentioned and not seen though

wraith quartz
#

Hmm, ok

proven needle
#

Masozi sometimes calls her Valkyrie the "Storm Raptor".

storm jungle
#

thats the name she has for it

#

its just a Valkyrie in the end

proven needle
#

Which is exactly what I said 😆

storm jungle
#

Did you..........

raven stone
#

By lore the Vallyrie is supposed to be Atmospheric only

#

But GW just refuses to think about Guard logistics

#

So many games just have it as the default special space ride

#

I really just think GW should just retcon it to be dual use at this point.

rocky gale
#

They're mostly atmospheric, but they can also be completely sealed with internal oxygen supplies for both the crew and engines, so it's got limited spaceborn capability

#

So for the purpose we're using it for it's still fine

#

Like it's not going to win any dogfights in space, but for ferrying squads from orbit to planetside it's fine

storm jungle
#

Yeah this.

#

Its mainly transport with heavy/mid-firepower

#

if you want attack craft theres a reason Vultures and stuff exist

rocky gale
#

Hmmm

#

Has anyone read Outgunned and remember what ship Lucille flies?

#

I can't remember

#

and searching online is telling me nothing

#

and I don't even recognise it's design from the cover

#

and I really don't want to have to find my copy and read through it again to find out

storm jungle
#

Its not a ship and its on the cover

storm jungle
#

hold on

shadow plover
#

ain't that the thunderbolt

storm jungle
#

THAT was the name, fuck me

rocky gale
#

Wait it's a Lightning Fighter

#

Huh

#

Wait

storm jungle
#

Lightnings are more flat

#

no wait YES

#

I mixed it with the goofier version

#

aka this thing

#

hers is a Primaris-Lightning

shadow plover
#

ah yeah it's the Lightning Fighter, the tail fins are a dead giveaway

rocky gale
#

Yea I was browsing the Aeronautica Imperialis range on the store page and found this which is a lightning fighter

storm jungle
#

Yeah as Jerk said the tails match

rocky gale
#

Thunderbolt is the more flat one

storm jungle
#

Yep the fridge

shadow plover
#

very cool

#

but doesn't beat the Arvus Lighter

crisp heath
storm jungle
#

arvus lighter aka the TV remote plane

shadow plover
#

The delightfully chunky little bird

#

I've got two of them

#

second is waiting to be built

#

Gonna boast a bit but the first one won silver last weekend

storm jungle
#

Lmao thats great

shadow plover
#

ye pretty stoked about it

#

the tiny 8mm predator tanks got bronze too

arctic talon
#

I love the fat fuck planes

shadow plover
#

they do be the best

rocky gale
shadow plover
#

hell yeah, albeit I'd like to see an Arvus Lighter to try fight pupper

#

chunky fuck

celest dome
#

Planes that look like bricks are so futuristic

crystal forum
#

so damn close

celest dome
#

Looking good

crystal forum
#

im going insane

#

and i blame elitewolf

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

victim shifting...

versed ledge
#

Are there automatic plasma guns in the imperial arsenal? Or are they all semis?

arctic talon
#

mechanicus weaponry

#

but they're fully automatic high rate of fire plasma weapons

#

Downside is they get unbearably hot for weak fleshy humans to use

#

but Skitarii don't mind till they overheat and dump burning hot gas on them KEKsplode

plush mason
#

isnt the culverin mounted on the heavy battle servitor?

arctic talon
#

Unless we take the 7e tabletop rule from admech war convocation as canon(which made very little sense considering the overheat gas literally can melt ceramite lol)

arctic talon
#

its primarily on kataphrons

plush mason
#

those things are funny, literally a servitor tank

arctic talon
#

I enjoy the Torsion cannon

#

which I like to call the industrial lathe accident gun

#

Because it grabs 3 separate parts of your body with gravity beams and then twists them in different directions all at once

shadow plover
#

Going by rules Hellblasters' Plasma incinerators are probably automatic because of the Assault keyword they've got

arctic talon
#

yeah that also

#

though assault also means it can be easily fired from the hip

shadow plover
#

and the Plasma exterminators on Inceptor Squads

arctic talon
#

and Rapid-fire is its own keyword because reasons

#

but the plasma calvier is explicitly rapid fire/automatic in lore

shadow plover
#

they had rapid fire 1 in 9th edition

arctic talon
#

didn't the plasma incinerators have the 3 varients thing going on

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one had heavy, one had assault, one had rapid fire

shadow plover
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yeah, assault, normal and heavy

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normal being rapid fire

arctic talon
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plasma guns are also rapid fire

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but they don't seem very high fire rate in lore tbh

shadow plover
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yeah

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can't really recall much plasma weaponry being used in fast succession

arctic talon
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Biles poor beastmen getting overkilled by plasma is very funny

light sun
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Plasma guns are so dope

wintry scarab
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Btw, anyone here seen the SM2 leaks? Without spoilers, how does it look? Good or nah?

outer wave
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Heard it plays okay

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Apparently the grenade button is awkward for PC controls

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Uhhh yeah apparently it's good according to one guy

celest dome
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Didn't Dilara try it ?

dusk patrol
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Doesn’t seem to have issues

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We’ll see I guess if that stands

queen laurel
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So far good praises have been sang about the game

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And from the trailers have seen it looks pretty solid

raven stone
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Well

queen laurel
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And if what eternal said is true even better

raven stone
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Tempestus VS Vespids KT all but confirmed.

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Now all we need is the date.

fading bridge
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Imagine a Tau sneezing.
That is all.

crisp heath
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Which traitor legion had the most loyalists?

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My first guess is iron warriors but less about being loyal and more about sticking it to perturabo

celest dome
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Mortarion/Death Guard

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As they turned due to duress

raven stone
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Alpha legion /meme

dusk patrol
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I don’t think we have clear numbers though

spring cairn
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more than 10

rocky gale
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Last line of the latest Warcom article

"Suffice it to say for now that we T’au will strike a great blow against Volkus, and that our honoured auxiliaries will be key to our success"

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So confirming it, Scions vs Tau Auxiliary

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But it's odd

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Killteam boxes don't usually get multiple lore articles in advance

green loom
wintry scarab
# dusk patrol We’ll see I guess if that stands

Ive seen a cutscene and maybe a min of gameplay and now been seeing people say its really good and runs well on a devbuild. Man its hard to not get excited for this now. Especially as i was super sceptical and expecting the worst, this has really turned my view around. Hopefully it continues.

raven stone
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Terrain set is likely some anti-ship fuckhueg laser gun fortress in the shape of the Dark Angel fortress set.

green loom
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I'm assuming it's some sort of insane point defense battery/targeting computer

viral halo
raven stone
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Meanwhile Word Bearers and the dedicated legions be like:
“Evil is cool yo, be honest and enjoy it.”

dusk patrol
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“I wonder if I could bind two daemons to my coffee mug?”

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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Scions work with inquisition plenty