40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

and put in the book as people to kill on sight

depends on waht it says

like, for example

a contract they had said they will protect a city for urgold bascially

but the contract didnt say how long

so once they get their money they do a lap and leave

[queen laurel]

So somehow my iron jaw needs to learn how to read

[rose thorn]

or if your contract says to recieve an artifact

but you didnt specify what to do with it

they wont return it

unless you buy it form them

and if you dont pay for the original contract you will get drone striked

[rose thorn]

yea and need to read well

[queen laurel]

So over complicated contracts

[rose thorn]

you have to specify every single detial or else

they dont lie, they just wont say the truth

the only only exception to the rule is whtn they do military contracts with each other

[queen laurel]

So they will literally read a contract scroll that is as long as an entire f****** city and they will follow it to a tee

[rose thorn]

100 times yeah

[queen laurel]

Jesus

[rose thorn]

thats what

this guy is fore

for

he memorized every single law and rule of their Kharadron Code

oh see all those books?

they are all their personal notes on the kharadron code

they are lawyers

they compare a contract to the code

let me quote their store page

and for their skill at concocting helpful ‘clarifications’ on the fly.

if you dont fill in a specific instant on the contract these guys will clairfy for you!

'oh we wont raise war with you? well then this will be an umpromted military training excercise!

[queen laurel]

They sound like their department of contracts would be a long talk

Boring your allies to death

[rose thorn]

yea they do that too

[queen laurel]

Horrific fate that is

[rose thorn]

they would clarify, but never in your favor lmao

they are for profits and only profits

[queen laurel]

You somehow need to out business them to get the better end of the deal huh

[rocky gale]

Was it the Kharadon who flooded the Cities of Sigmar with so much gold that it tanked their economy and caused them to switch to using magic water as currency?

[rose thorn]

let me check

it owuld have ot be hammerhal if so

[rose thorn]

the Kharadons who were selling in to the water got exploded, and so it became so rare it became the currency

and kharadons accepted it as a currency

so it became the universal currency

[rocky gale]

Hm

[rose thorn]

due to its chaos healing abilites

Aqua Ghyranis

[rocky gale]

Hmmm, I could swear the lore bit I was reading was the Dwarves mocking the humans for switching to Magic Water

[rose thorn]

not sure tbh, i can imagine some flying cities prefer just using u-gold but id need to read all the lroe

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah do dwarves still have the book of grudges

[rose thorn]

yeah

the khararadon code has a specific section for grudges

oh yeah the code is updated constantly due to loopholes

[green loom]

Did dwarfs always have queens?

[rose thorn]

old world no clue, aos yeah

[queen laurel]

Fyreslayers also have their own version i assume

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095187802263670824/1264613107343429733/IMG_20240721_180052.jpg?ex=669fd3bc&is=669e823c&hm=e48ee48af18f611c5be946c7863c2905383ec97fe5e3b5186977a5a19d06dcc1&

Cus they're a thing in old world now

Huzzah

[rose thorn]

yay

[rocky gale]

I'm pretty sure Dwarf Queens were a thing in lore, but dunno if we ever saw them on the tabletop

Wait no turns out there was a model for Helgar Longplaits, Queen of Krag Bryn

[rose thorn]

googles
dwarf tiddies 3 seconds in

oh okay

[rocky gale]

Huh, so apparently Dwarves have very few women because around 10 men are born for every woman born.

[rose thorn]

odd

in kharadrons we see alot of female duardin, its porbably a normal distribution

and in fyreslayers you can play them

female fyreslayrs

[rocky gale]

It might have changed in AoS vs the Fantasy lore tbh

[rose thorn]

yea bceause 1 in 10 is a very bad distribution

lmao

[rocky gale]

Yea, the Fyreslayer warcry squad has two women in it I think

[rose thorn]

yup, and there is alot of art for both genders in kharadons and some for fyreslaeyrs

i havent checked normal dispossed tho

but they are mentioned in books ive read

[rocky gale]

Dunno if we have much art on them, but on the tabletop they just use the old Dwarf models from Fantasy, so none there

[crystal forum]

bolter

[rose thorn]

POV you work at black library and you have to write a new space marine book:

[crystal forum]

more like pov somebody who doesnt know shit about fantasy and wants to derail the discussion

[outer wave]

Honestly it would be really funny to see a 40k author write something about fantasy or AoS without them consulting what those settings entail

[storm jungle]

People can talk about what they want you little pipsqueak

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drop-gif-23460153

[queen laurel]

Get the Jay incinerator

We will commence the daily beatdown

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

and i can try to derail it

[storm jungle]

no

also mfer you literally comment when the topic is basically over 💀

[crystal forum]

derailed

like what happened in ohio

[rose thorn]

considering the worst aos books are just meh

it woudl be funny

not counting audiodramas

[queen laurel]

Now we can truly see what a s*** aos book look like

[queen laurel]

This was fun to listen to

[crystal forum]

horse ass

[rose thorn]

the worst book i read was the hollow king, but it was an emo core mystery book

[outer wave]

"Then Graphas the Stormcast took out his cool wicked chainsword that he had been given to as a gift from the Duwarden and slashed at Mortarion the Deathguard Nurgle war band leader."

[queen laurel]

That's not a horse you tank barrel sniffing panda

[rose thorn]

ill put that on my list

[crystal forum]

the reference sure was

[queen laurel]

Still not a horse

[crystal forum]

but it looks strangely human

[rose thorn]

iadsghaGaHH, chainswords exist but they only belong to Kharadons

[outer wave]

Dammit, then replace it with a bolt pistol

[rose thorn]

stormcast have thunder bolt pistols

[outer wave]

FUCK

WHAT DO THEY NOT HAVE

I guess daddy issues

[rose thorn]

they have real bad daddy issues

[queen laurel]

The beat space marines because they can have sex and not be virgins

[outer wave]

DAMMIT THAT TOO!?

[rose thorn]

consdiering their god basically forced them to be slaves to his will

[outer wave]

Honestly so based

[queen laurel]

And they actually have emotional regulation and actually can feel

[crystal forum]

custodes rip off

[queen laurel]

Honestly they are an improvement

[queen laurel]

How tough are those balloons from getting obliterated by a boulder throw

[rose thorn]

they are made of metal

[outer wave]

Okay what do the Stormcasts typically use that are typically made and used normally within the Duwarden ranks?

[queen laurel]

Magical lightning infused metal

[outer wave]

Wait I contradicted myself there

[rose thorn]

duardin*

[outer wave]

🤓

Its actually Durian

[rose thorn]

they actually mostlyt use hamemrs

[outer wave]

I see I see

[queen laurel]

Nerd emoji again and i rip off your teeth and shove it on your eyelids

[outer wave]

Okay so a thunderhammer

[outer wave]

Finally, blindness....

[queen laurel]

They do use weapons infused with magical azir lightning right

[rose thorn]

yea that sall their weapons

[queen laurel]

it's a special kind of metal they forged their stuff out of

[rose thorn]

sigmarite

[queen laurel]

Nice

[outer wave]

Erm, what the sigma

Sigmarite

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

[queen laurel]

Gav Thorpe room

[outer wave]

NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE NEW ROO--

[outer wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123374852909322270/1245776137372569721/togif.gif

[queen laurel]

so if i'm a free guild soldier that just happened to be so good at doing my job, they will give me a great sword made out of sigmarite

[rose thorn]

god no

[crystal forum]

lightning infused?

bootleg emperor

[rose thorn]

sigmarite can only be forged by the 7 smiths

[rose thorn]

he pre dates 40k

irl

[crystal forum]

sugmar

[queen laurel]

Okay so it's a special metal so what kind of stuff do they sell that is baseline just kind of bare minimum requirement and their stuff

[crystal forum]

what a dumb name

sounds like an STD

[queen laurel]

The emperor of mankind single single handedly ruined his own empire

[crystal forum]

i caught sigmar the other day

[queen laurel]

And is a nazi

[rose thorn]

sigmar. is made after the greek word sigma

[outer wave]

I'll take an emperor/god with a dumb name over one thats just kinda dumb

[crystal forum]

isn't the guy a viking or something

[outer wave]

He was a barbarian

[queen laurel]

Barbarian

[outer wave]

Basically Conan the Barbarian that became a god

[crystal forum]

ah so the polar opposite of greeks

[queen laurel]

Yes

[outer wave]

Man founded the EoM, left, became powerful from worship, became a god

Crazy ass

[crystal forum]

also sigma is a letter

[queen laurel]

So what kind of metal do they use for the stuff they sell to like other factions

[rose thorn]

its still a noun

[crystal forum]

pedant

[queen laurel]

Also sigmar is the original sigma male

[rose thorn]

also sigmar should have been naemd Muar because mu is the 12th letter

but what ever

[outer wave]

In AoS, Im sure there's a trend among men who want to be Sigmar Males

[rose thorn]

acutally if you want to be a stormcast sigmar will purposely not pick you

[outer wave]

Perfect then

[rose thorn]

ashgahaha

[rocky gale]

Sigmar hates pick me's

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah mags what other metal do the stormcast use because this sigmaritr stuff sounds rare

[crystal forum]

mfw the internet made it cool to be a fucking loser by inventing the term sigma male

[outer wave]

"Why being a Sigmar Male is cooler than worshiping Chaos."

[rose thorn]

*there is af ew example of chaos worshippers being reforged into stormcasts

[outer wave]

"How to pick up Stormcast women EASY! Sigmar Male TIP!"

[outer wave]

Oh yeah some got redeemed

[queen laurel]

Wait so you're telling me a beastmen can even be a stormcast

[crystal forum]

how to obsess over physicality and try to become a psychopath so you forget how shit life is

[outer wave]

Would be hard since they embody chaos generally

[rose thorn]

no, its only if at least a fraation of your soul isnt chaos

[arctic talon]

How to break every single bone made easy

[crystal forum]

i bet sigmar males love stoicism

[arctic talon]

I mean

have you seen warrior priests/hj

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/umineko-erika-good-gif-25650630

[rose thorn]

insert the character if you know you know was actually a renown nurgle cultist

[crystal forum]

as we all know philosophy was perfected by ancient greeks

[rose thorn]

before htey became a stormcast

[crystal forum]

it's true just ask any nazi

[queen laurel]

Well better to ask

[outer wave]

Anyway would Heihachi survive in 40k?

[arctic talon]

He's heihachi mishima

of course he will

[outer wave]

Fuck yeah

[arctic talon]

he can survive anything

Volcano, cliff, dying

[outer wave]

He headbutted a bullet in Tekken 6

Hes great

I mean hes awful, but hes great

[crystal forum]

can he beat a titan though

[outer wave]

Probably

[crystal forum]

naaaah

[outer wave]

He's like Master Asia but more abusive

[crystal forum]

i dont know anything about this

[queen laurel]

Jay he is a god

[crystal forum]

so are titans

[outer wave]

God please PLEASE watch Mobile Fighter G Gundam, because Master Asia is so good

[crystal forum]

[queen laurel]

That is like asking a baby to go up against a hydrogen bomb

[crystal forum]

i dont enjoy anime personally

[outer wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHfJuGzUdM

I LOVE HIM

[outer wave]

Shame but understandable

[crystal forum]

as a furry i'm not legally allowed

(this is a joke)

[outer wave]

Oof

[queen laurel]

That is true

[crystal forum]

as much as i despise it, there are weebs in the community

it is truly a mark of shame

but god damn asian furries make good art

[outer wave]

While I do think the anime style is a bit oversaturated, it is also a really nice style and one thats pretty forgiving

[crystal forum]

i've actually learned the difference between japanese, south korean and chinese art styles

they all seem to resemble anime but in a unique way

[outer wave]

Ooh do explain

[dusk patrol]

Japanese stuff is folded ten thousand times first

[crystal forum]

i see more chibi looking stuff from south koreans while chinese and japanese art is very similar

i can't really explain it well

but there's a sort of difference you can recognize

also japanese and south korean fursuits go so fucking hard

[outer wave]

Not a furry so I couldn't appreciate that fact

[crystal forum]

even as a non furry you could see the art in that stuff

they put a lot of effort

[outer wave]

I know Chinese furries do exist but I hardly see any Asian furries

I always associate it with the western portion of the world

[crystal forum]

it's a pretty small portion tbh

there's only like one furcon in east asia i think and it's in japan

meanwhile in the US there's like minimum one furcon per state

[outer wave]

Yeah that makes sense

[crystal forum]

except new york and california weirdly enough

so i have to drive like 8 hours minimum to go to any furcon 😤

[outer wave]

Oof

[crystal forum]

oh also bad english

that is very common and very funny

in pretty much all asian furry art

[outer wave]

Not surprised

[young pecan]

I would have expected California to be rife with furcons

[crystal forum]

right?

but no it's more of a new england/midwest thing

the biggest furcon in the world is in chicago of all places

i guess furries come from depressing areas

[fallen plaza]

That would be the chronically online furries

They all come from quite diverse places honestly

Like if you have enough money to buy a fur suit, you ain't got much to worry about

[crystal forum]

you'd be surprised

we really do follow stereotypes and it's very funny because you can tell what kind of furry somebody is just by talking with them for a couple of minuts

[crystal forum]

(i am the stealthy fruity kind who converts normies)

[plush mason]

i have no idea what kind i am lol

random question, what is the imperium's most power aircraft in terms of combat capability?

[thick cedar]

Why did the dark age of technology build the golden throne if there were little to no human psykers during that time?

[arctic talon]

It’s not human tech, it’s eldar/old ones tech with human tech bolted on top

[celest dome]

It's Dark Eldar iirc

[arctic talon]

A haemonculi says he can fix it given some time

[arctic talon]

It’s most likely eldar empire tech

Tbh

Would make 0 sense to be craftworld or drukhari chronologically

[celest dome]

True

[winter vessel]

looks at the fine print labeled "Made from the Eldar Empire ;D" at the backrest of the golden throne

[arctic talon]

Either way a bonesinger or haemonculi could def fix the eldar components

The question is if the rest of the crap on top is fixable

Because all of it is essential to its current use

[thorn zenith]

They need to turn it off and for emps to get up for a minute

[amber night]

does ork have souls ? they dont go to the warp after death right?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they got souls, and they all go to Gork & Mork

[amber night]

has gork and mork ever confirmed to be existent?

[storm jungle]

Yes, many times. They entirely exist and can sometimes even bring Orks back as a form of reincarnation when they die

[queen laurel]

Yes and he even reincarnates Orks who are very worthy

[queen laurel]

DAMN IT

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah if you are looking for the greatest example of orks reincarnating look no further than Makari

Yes he is a grot but he is still reincarnating and a greenskin

[amber night]

wait

i thuoght the explanation for his reincaration was that ghaz keep getting a grot when he kills him , and however the orkish power of belief brought him back

[queen laurel]

Yes

But Ghaz

As of right now is the largest ork in the galaxy

And has been called the prophet of GORK and MORK

[amber night]

yes

the great green

didnt makari also has vision of gork and mork and the korks

[queen laurel]

Yeah basically they gave him some extra perks and allow him to reincarnate makari

[queen laurel]

Yes

[amber night]

pretty sure thats when ghaz first got the implants

its very awsome even wholesome to see ghaz mature beyond from a simple ork to become the monstority

when he aplogize to makori was wholesome

[queen laurel]

Yeah he was dumped in the dumpster when makari was supposed to scrap the augmentations Ghaz had

When they made contact with each other they had visions and stuff

At that point Ghaz can just bring back makari

[amber night]

whats the powersclaing of ghaz now

didnt he just got smoked by some space wolves?

[storm jungle]

yeah but that was just mostly plot armor

also he went against a special character

no chance

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's large enough to man handle a lemen russ tank cannon

Like it's a toy basically

He's more than 20 ft at this point

[amber night]

holy shit

[queen laurel]

Yeah he could run fades with a group of ogryns and turn them into cheese

Oh yeah his heart is literally an engine

[amber night]

i wonder

a;sp

he can get revived

if they have the parts

if anything that can kill him besides a special character that at this point

[queen laurel]

A gigantic ass gun designed to annihilate him

[amber night]

its just funny they just put random mechanical parts and transplants other's ork body

[queen laurel]

He is large enough to survive a direct shot from a Leman russ

[amber night]

wait what?

[queen laurel]

So you will need to literally put a lot of effort into shooting him

[amber night]

so

[queen laurel]

Yeah one time he got shot with a tank

And he just like stumbled back

[amber night]

safe to say he is like space marine captain level?

[queen laurel]

Wounded but survived it

[queen laurel]

He is going to tear apart a space marine captain

[amber night]

primarch level any time soon?

or he needs more wars and more combat with named characters?

[queen laurel]

If he hits the height of the beats

*beast

As of right now he is just a large ork that is smarter than average

[amber night]

fuck

[queen laurel]

Well very smart actually

[amber night]

he can speak high gothic

and use stratgey

[queen laurel]

Yeah

Yeah he is way smarter than your average ork

[amber night]

i hope theres more book about him coming out

i am currently on the prophet of waagh

[queen laurel]

Don't worry it's going to come in the future i think

[amber night]

lets say if they found a titan or a really good draughtnaught will that be a power spike for him ?

[queen laurel]

He has access to gargants

If you mean a new body

Dok could just make him a new one

Grotsnik

Is very good at that

[amber night]

so far my time line for him its urk- 3 wars of armgaddeon- wars with tyrannid cuase of an inquistor- fighting a space wolve and getting resurrected ? what am i missing ?

[amber night]

will the technology and parts be used on his new body?

[queen laurel]

You don't know don't you

His new body is currently using in the setting is made of other orks

Grotsnik frankensteined a body for him

And if you're confused of what he did

I'm pretty sure

After the second war of Armageddon then he went on a trip

To strengthen himself

[amber night]

he fled

[queen laurel]

And in the second war i think that's when he got wounded

[amber night]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Not the second one the third war

After that he was rebuilt

And now you see the form he is using is the modern day one

[amber night]

this?

[queen laurel]

Yes

[amber night]

i meant can grotnsik incoporate parts of a dreadnaught and a titan too boost him even more

[queen laurel]

At his current size

On dreadnoughts

You can only really add small components of a titan on him

[amber night]

are you disappointed at the war gear of that he has

its not super special like other named characters

[queen laurel]

That giant gun he is using is impossible to fire even by an ogryn, that large powerclaw can severe a tank like it's a cheesecake

It's a very generic loadout but it's a special type of weapon

[amber night]

i guess, but i was kinda wishing like some kind of ancient or some op description or origin of the weapons, like the humans,

he is a ork

his weapons has to be homemade and original so i get it

[storm jungle]

If it aint broke dont fix it

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like to be honest

It suits him

Not every character needs to use an ancient weapon

From like a bygon era

And remember Mork's roar his gun arm and Gork's Klaw

Are one of a kind by ork standards

[amber night]

valid point

are we gonna see more representation of orks in the settings, like more sub character that has their own models

[storm jungle]

They are xenos so probably not much

[queen laurel]

Yeah and they got a lot of attention last time

A new model new books

They even had like a book club

Related event

And amazing rules for the table top

So they're going to be out of the spotlight for a awhile

[amber night]

get it, thank you !

so i assume we will see the orks having more of a presence soon ?

like in major events regarding chaos and imperium ?

[queen laurel]

Probably as cannon fodder

Gw isn't really consistent with how they move the setting about

[amber night]

damn

[open pumice]

LMAO

probably not, the orks kind of exist to get bullied by every other faction, and to be honest, they're kinda there for it. They don't mind getting their shit caved in by the next beakie gitz captuhn, becuz tha's a good scrape mate

it kinda sucks, tbh. The orks could have so much more done with them if GW just wanted too, but they are suffering form a case of "the competent black library authors want to write about important lore events and not about orks in some backwater in segmentum pacificus, so woe, mike brooks be upon ye"

[dusk patrol]

Competent BL authors like money

[storm jungle]

Slop sells.

[dusk patrol]

Hence Mike Brooks having a job

[storm jungle]

Its a bit more complicated than that but kinda

[dusk patrol]

There’s exactly one Ork book I’d say is actually well written

[open pumice]

I mean yeah this too, i can't think of an ork book that has sold particularly well, unless it was from another faction's POV

[dusk patrol]

And Brooks name isn’t on the cover

[open pumice]

Brooks has written one (1) good black library book

[dusk patrol]

I’d argue two I’d actually recommend but Rites of Passage does have issues

[open pumice]

I have never read it so I can't speak on it, but I haven't heard particularly fabulous things

[dusk patrol]

It helps it’s the only one of it’s subject matter really

Besides like Wolfblade

[open pumice]

GW handing their msot under loved factions to their most mediocre of writers

[dusk patrol]

Still mad he got the Lion book. At least they forced him to just write a basic story

[queen laurel]

Well what can we do very few authors actually put in the effort of making the orks shine like the only one was Ghaz, and brooks makes orks pretty well

In terms of characteristics in terms of handling situations

Well yeah that's where he falls flat

[open pumice]

The lion book is his only like, actually decent brooks novel IMO

[dusk patrol]

I disagreed mostly but

I think he goes for super low hanging fruit for Orks

[queen laurel]

Characteristically i will give his orks a good grade on how they handle situations

[dusk patrol]

Ghaz book is the only time I’ve really been impressed by Ork writing

[queen laurel]

Yeah he got the characteristic down

[open pumice]

it's basic and it's a bit dry in the middle but it works

I would put dimmadollars down that he got a bunch of consultation from the heresy team

[queen laurel]

You know them acting funny them being quite serious stuff like that

On what situations they got in

Well yes that's where he flats

[dusk patrol]

My issue with his Ork books though is more to do with, and this is a reoccurring issue, how he writes everyone else

He does good action scenes but even that falls flat by how lame he makes the enemy a lot of times

[queen laurel]

Yeah it does kill a lot of the vibe i will admit

At least he's good at making ork characters

Like he's at least good with something they have

[dusk patrol]

The best BL action scenes by far are when the author actually builds up the enemy forces

[queen laurel]

Personality

[dusk patrol]

And makes them interesting and dangerous seeming

[queen laurel]

Like his writing isn't the worst

Just a bit generic

Straightforward nothing impressive mid

Good there for dumb fun

[dusk patrol]

This is actually my primary issue with the End and the Death which Abnett is normally much better at, there’s a lot of action scenes where he’s not trying

[queen laurel]

It's abnett

Writing for him is practically a drug

And he literally edges every time he does it

[dusk patrol]

Sure but he’s normally really good at writing that kind of action

Like contrast Saturnine with the EatD action scenes

[open pumice]

I loved the end and the death
But there were some times that he definitely fell off a bit
IDK if it was fatigue or apathy or something else
but there were a few scenes where he just kinda, lost me?

[dusk patrol]

It needed to be edited down

[queen laurel]

Did you just say you love a horus heresy book?

Throw him to the styx

[dusk patrol]

I would argue most of the actual best novels in BL are heresy books

[open pumice]

i'm going to 40k enjoyer hell for this but the siege of terra is one of the best series BL has ever made

and is absolutely the best multi author series ever made by BL

[queen laurel]

You have to admit though it ran for way too long

Like they could have definitely shortened it

[dusk patrol]

Sure but it doesn’t change that

[queen laurel]

Like it wouldn't be as bad if they actually shortened it

[dusk patrol]

The fact it works as well as it does is kinda wild

You can also skip most of the actually bad books

Thank god

Kymes stuff largely isn’t necessary

[open pumice]

I think the issue with it's run time is there are so many novels that have 0 impact on the rest of the series, and the pacing is all sorts of off

you can tell they originally intended for it to just be 10 books, and it spun way out of hand with how popular the first 3 were

Like
I love the tallarn book
but good lord is it completely meaningless, even by itself

[queen laurel]

They milked it too much yes

[dusk patrol]

It’s one of those things where it’s hard to fault them with how the series got expanded unexpectedly

They had to pivot a lot and it’s surprising it turned out as well as it did honestly

[open pumice]

I think my favorite part about it is you can kinda just follow your legion through the heresy, and get enough of the stroy to know whats happening by the SoT

thats

[dusk patrol]

That’s also a big strength of it

[open pumice]

what saves it's hideus run time tbh

[dusk patrol]

You can pretty easily ignore arcs you don’t care about

It has major issues but overall it’s very well done I’d say

Siege isn’t perfect either but it ended very strong

[open pumice]

Nick Kyme my most barely tolerated

[dusk patrol]

I actively hate Kyme ngl

[queen laurel]

That guy got a lot of threats

And was literally threatened to be killed i think

With how garbage he wrote

[dusk patrol]

I mean that’s a bit much

[open pumice]

the siege gets better the later in the series you go

[queen laurel]

Eh close enough

[dusk patrol]

But you can tell with the siege they’re aware of who their best authors are lol

Considering who got to write the final ones and who didn’t get to write any

[open pumice]

i know (hope) your not advocating for it, but threatening an author because he wrote fiction for your little toy soldiers bad is awful behavior

[queen laurel]

Mate there is a difference about hating someone and having no life

I'm not an overwatch fan

If i actively hated an author i'm just going to say they are garbage and not bother with them because i actually have other things to do like look up more Iron Jaw news and art

[dusk patrol]

I’ve never heard of him getting any threats also but I could see him getting hate mail

And he probably deserves it to some extent obviously depending on what kinda hate mail

[open pumice]

Yeah seeing the SoT line up was a huge relief lmao

unfortunately
guy haley still got in, and john french got to write two books?

[queen laurel]

If we're going by most hated

CS Goto for me

He somehow made Gabriel

A very bad thing

And he was one of the few space marines i like d

[open pumice]

c.s. goto is either worshiped or hated, and I hate him more for that

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I’ve never really liked Blood Ravens

But yes Goto is bad

I personally dislike Kyme more because how much he’s written and continues to and how much he’s ruined or fucked up major factions he “loves”

[open pumice]

honestly I liked them before I read goto's stuff

they were cool in DoW, and then fell off dramtically when goto tried so hard to make them a thousand sons successor

[dusk patrol]

He’s the main reason no good salamander book exists

[queen laurel]

He made the salamander shit right

[dusk patrol]

Despite them having a shitton of books

[queen laurel]

Like literally

Back to back

Complete ass

[dusk patrol]

They’re so boring

It’s offensively boring

And the worst part is the ideas aren’t even bad

Or uninteresting

He’s just so bad he makes them bad and uninteresting

[open pumice]

he just can't execute them with any finesse

[dusk patrol]

Like I have some issues with Guymers Iron Hands books because they’re not always great, but he does always make them interesting or has really cool idea and fluff he adds to them

Background and extra stuff

He also does their fluff and codex stuff

Kyme can’t even make that stuff cool

He has how many salamander characters with literally completely opposing views and somehow I can’t tell them apart still

They all feel like the same character

[queen laurel]

I heard he's like one of the single reason salamanders aren't that popular

Even though they are quite well known

[dusk patrol]

He definitely doesn’t help

[queen laurel]

Because getting into their characters and stuff is so f****** boring

Yeah this book series with salamanders look cool let me check it

Dies of boredom

[open pumice]

Part of it is also salamanders have been with the one-two curse of "haven't had any rules of their own since 8th ed" and "have been relegated to a 'codex compliant' chapter"

[dusk patrol]

They have so many cool ideas too but I can’t imagine Kyme helps with making their fluff interesting either

[open pumice]

so if you are getting into the game, the best you can do with salamanders is play generic space marines with like one special character and firestorm assault

which feels like shit when the blood angels or wolfwolfwolf or black templars player rolles up with an entire book of extra rules

[storm jungle]

Salamanders live on through TTS memes and people loving them rescuing civillians (who never of course get sent to death camps or get executed the moment they leave a planet)

[dusk patrol]

They exist off of memes of people thinking they’re nice and wholesome

[storm jungle]

I loved Pariah Nexus' ending for that

people getting mad at guardsmen killing children

like

[green loom]

There are 4-6 actual chapter factions

[storm jungle]

who tf do you think the Imperium is

lol

[dusk patrol]

Even though they’re written to just be idiots half the time cause

Kyme

[queen laurel]

Me watching the salamanders bomb a planet because apparently me helping aliens in a cooperative effort in order to survive is apparently treason and therefore i deserve to be burned in the most hideous way possible

[green loom]

Salamanders were an extension of Space Marines in 8th

[open pumice]

TTS has been wild for the setting and peoples perspective on it

[green loom]

BT in 9th were a supplement

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t help tbf either their gimmick is hard to make work on the tabletop often

[green loom]

Same as Sallies

[dusk patrol]

Which runs into their problem with the heresy stuff largely

[open pumice]

they had a separate book which fleshed them out more, it was just an extension and didn't add much but it gave you a little

they, along side most chapters who aren't blueberries, are barely acknowledged this eddition

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of stuff for non UM chapters

Space wolves are the only one which has mostly been neglected so far and that’ll probably change in future editions

[open pumice]

as far as rules go, no they're virtually indistinct save for a funny character or two

[green loom]

Yeah sorry I'll take away the Agents' cake and give it to this random chapter

[dusk patrol]

That’s just 10e rules though

They’re not all UM

They’re all marines now

They simplified everything

[open pumice]

thats kinda the point i'm making

if your new to the hobby you get hit witht he double whammy fo your books sucking, and your rules being indistinct

which sucks.

[green loom]

40k isn't Horus Heresy, Sallies are a small part of the marines who already hog the spotlight from dozens of other factions

[dusk patrol]

Dark Angels have gotten a ton of stuff recently too

[open pumice]

L + xenos

[open pumice]

dark angels, blood angels, space wolves, black templars, and deathwacth are the non codex compliant chapters that still get to have things

[green loom]

Also let's not pretend sallies are terribly deviant from standard doctrine

[dusk patrol]

Well

[storm jungle]

its more L + Anyone that isnt a Space Marine

[green loom]

Deathwatch don't exist anymore

As a dex

They're now Agents

[storm jungle]

They've been Agentminated

[open pumice]

ah L

[dusk patrol]

They’re also a normal marine option now

[storm jungle]

now its our Corvus Blackstar

[storm jungle]

i think its a good decision tbh

they are barely an army

[green loom]

Black Templars aren't a codex faction, they're a supplement to space marines

[storm jungle]

just space marines in black

who are uh, extra racistier i guess?

[open pumice]

oh yeah i could have seen it coming from miles away

[storm jungle]

Yeah whenever people ask me about DW as an army

[queen laurel]

But it gives them super powers that being so racist they manifest their faith

[storm jungle]

i just point them at the store

[green loom]

I'm excited to see how Agents work

[storm jungle]

and its like 4 pages

[dusk patrol]

There’s more support and updates for other factions than almost any other point in 40k since they first released

[open pumice]

yeah? Your point?

so are BA, wolfwolfwolf, and DA

[green loom]

No, they're all their own codex

[open pumice]

they're still the only marines who get to have cool shit

[open pumice]

no.
they are not.

I am holdingt he BA supplement index in my hand, right now

[green loom]

Oh wait my b they're also supplements

[storm jungle]

Yeah and it only took like 20 fucking years lmao

Goofy ahh alcohol drinking certified minis

[open pumice]

2 models a year instead of one

[dusk patrol]

Ok so why are we bitching about it now?

[green loom]

Though they're all reasonably unique with fancy units

[dusk patrol]

There was a whole fucking kroot release jsut recently

[open pumice]

because anytime anybody mentions marines somebody has to get their panties in a bunch over it

[dusk patrol]

Guard got a huge update

Eldar are getting updates

[storm jungle]

"getting"

[dusk patrol]

Genestealers awhile back

[storm jungle]

💀

[queen laurel]

That's funny

[storm jungle]

Considering the amount they get in comparison its fair tbh

[dusk patrol]

Yeah cause it pays for all that

[storm jungle]

Im aware

christ

"well duh it pays the money"
"well duh you got your update"

[open pumice]

yeah but it's fully irrelevant to the conversation on "why aren't salamanders as loved as you would think they are"

[dusk patrol]

They’re not being made in place of those

[storm jungle]

Yeah but I dont care about Salamanders and have been actively traumatized by them because they burnt my family

[dusk patrol]

Because people like them more than their actual content deserves if I’m being real

[queen laurel]

The ranges have literally so many similar units that you wonder at times if the dark age of technology is actually good with their tech

[dusk patrol]

Most people who like them don’t even know most of their proper lore

Which is fine but I mean it’s how it is

[green loom]

And like, most of their units would just

Be basic marines

[dusk patrol]

Most fans are very surface level

[forest orbit]

Its a fine complaint point either tbh, I got like 3-4 loyalist marine loving friends who absolutely hate the space marine bloat

[open pumice]

"hey the sallies writer (singular) sucks dick and their rules are litteraly nonexistent"

"Ok but what a bout factions that aren't marines?!?"

[forest orbit]

We dont need more primaris unit that fires X-Gun

💀

[open pumice]

they would be an interesting chapter in the hands of a competent writer

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly they need to trim down the model count

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

I don’t love it either for a lot of stuff but it also doesn’t affect me either way

[forest orbit]

Yeah but again, its a fair complaint point still.

[open pumice]

what do you meanb we don't need "i swear bro it's not a flamer it's an infernus canon witht he exact same stats as a flamer but it's not a flamer" before jump pack marines

[dusk patrol]

I just don’t buy stuff I don’t care for

[forest orbit]

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[dusk patrol]

They exist to pay for everything else, and I’m fine with that.

[forest orbit]

Eternal your point for any argument is always "I dont care so this issue basically doesnt exist"

[storm jungle]

I was gonna say lol

[dusk patrol]

For the first time in decades we have GW obviously trying to add a large variety of new stuff

[dusk patrol]

Because it doesn’t affect any of us

So yeah

Just don’t buy it

[forest orbit]

"Us" being?

[open pumice]

I still can't beleive we got a 3rd flamethrower unit before we got jump packs

i was going to actually murder somone at GW if they didn't come out before the codex

[green loom]

In fairness to marine bloat it exists because it was popular and now the bloat loops back in on itself and makes it more popular via sheer volume so it's existence makes sense

[dusk patrol]

GW is actually updating and adding in new stuff for a wide variety of factions for the first time in decades and people are somehow still finding a way to bitch

[forest orbit]

Also the jumppack was teased like 2-3 years ago by the SM2 trailer

so even WORSE

[open pumice]

IT WAS TEASED IN 8TH EDDITION BY KEIVAN SHRIKE

[green loom]

Shryke had a jump pack before that I think

[forest orbit]

Damn almost like the bad blood about it built up so much its still hard to get rid of it

[dusk patrol]

Marine bloat always existed because GW likes money

[green loom]

Also the inceptors and suppressors

[dusk patrol]

More like people like to piss and moan

[forest orbit]

Thats been a thing since forever with warhammer

doesnt change anything lol

[open pumice]

those are wierd gravis grav pack things tho, not quite the same

[forest orbit]

"You got your update so shut up" is not really a fair point in anyway lol

and again i say this as the space marine player 💀

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Like 9th and 10th have been catching up with AoS in terms of large faction revamps alongside marine drops(which basically guarantee profit lel)

[dusk patrol]

It’s way better than it ever has been so yeah

It does change stuff

[forest orbit]

Thats uhhh arguable but sure

[forest orbit]

man I need to get into Age of Sigmah

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/23/the-rumour-engine-23rd-july-2024/

[dusk patrol]

It also makes me think people don’t actually care when there are huge updates and they still endlessly bitch

[forest orbit]

but i got too many marines to paint...

[open pumice]

AoS introduced like 2/3rds of it's factions int 3rd ed

[queen laurel]

You should

Even in the lore stuff

[open pumice]

no, don't

[raven stone]

Huffs copium
customisable Inquisitor please...

[queen laurel]

In the model department i would say up to you if you want to spend money

[forest orbit]

Why not

[green loom]

I mean, not really
Instead of like, getting say, a shitty supplement rulebook for scions(psychic awakening)
Guard actually got a large chunk of their roster updated, a new tank, new characters

[open pumice]

Becuase I am a fantasy player and it is my god given duty to tell people to play ToW instead

[forest orbit]

Ah that explains it

that makes me want to get AoS more now

thank you

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

Paging

[queen laurel]

Age of sigmar models are quite detailed like for example this is one of the simpler ones

[forest orbit]

Age of Sigmar models SLAP yeah

you gotta be a nutjob to deny it

[dusk patrol]

Oh boy more pointless Old World vs Age of Sigmar discussion

[green loom]

Indeed

[open pumice]

My not biased take on AoS is it's fine as a game system with gorgeous models but the lore leaves me so sad
fantasy died so that way everybody could never have any concequences for their actions

[dusk patrol]

Jsut like what you like smh

[storm jungle]

Me when Eternal doesnt like an argument so he just says and complains

[forest orbit]

Thats rude

[dusk patrol]

It’s not even an argument

It’s just endless cat fighting over nothing

It’s easy to enjoy both

[green loom]

Did fantasy dwarfs always have full on queens(in leadership positions)
Or is that new
If new then hell yeah

[forest orbit]

I like the lore tbh, its basically about as fucked up as WHF you just get 8 realms instead of 1 planet now

[storm jungle]

Yeah they did

and people of course complained

because warhammer fans lol

[open pumice]

comparing them is dumb, they have less in common than battletech does with titanicus

[queen laurel]

Yeah but in old world they had a one girl to ten male dwarf baby ratio

So not as prominent

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-my-queen-gif-9619999

[green loom]

It's very easy lol yeah

[forest orbit]

Pretty much yeah

[dusk patrol]

Basically, setting wise they’re very different and tabletop wise too

[queen laurel]

I prefer age of sigmar orruks compared to warhammer orcs but warhammer old world is still pretty good

[dusk patrol]

I don’t care for TOW tabletop much but I like it as a setting a bit more than AoS

[queen laurel]

You want your low fantasy pill go for it

[storm jungle]

I blame marketing

[queen laurel]

If you like higher fantasy with different realms and s*** go with aos

[dusk patrol]

AoS I enjoy the tabletop more generally and I enjoy the setting

[green loom]

Crooked Moonz reprezent 🌙

[forest orbit]

AoS's tabletop also seems extremely accessible which i like, it made me realise why its popular

[open pumice]

the lore saddens me because every faction faces 0 consequences for their actions

they're either so numerous that a total loss means nothing, or they just come back from the dead with concequences™️ (real)

it's got a very similar issue to 40k where nothing ever happens because that would require somone to have concequences, so instead it's just a massive arms race of who can face the least concequences the fastest

[queen laurel]

Damn higher ups

[dusk patrol]

But I don’t like the high fantasy stuff as much always so I’m gonna lean TOW as a setting

[forest orbit]

I mean you can literally apply this to WHF too though

every chaos invasion is just "oh its fine we'll rebuild Praag for the 10394th time"

[queen laurel]

IRON JAWZ ARE DA STRONGEST

[dusk patrol]

WHF the issue was more they couldn’t do anything

[forest orbit]

Ehhhh

[green loom]

Stares at the Phoenicium exploding and Grand Alliance Death being thrown into basically a civil war
Absolutely no consequences at all

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

They legit hit roadblocks with not being able to advance stuff

[queen laurel]

Me watching a gargant break through a wall and eat an entire city

[storm jungle]

AoS very much has consequences, I feel like this is just an extremely surface viewpoint of someone that dislikes the setting admittedly.

[queen laurel]

Yeah we will just send another crusade to fix it

[open pumice]

no, WHFB had a differne't problem of the main character wasn't a genhanced demigod and thus couldn't live for more than liek 40 years convincingly, and sot he story was never allowed to move forwards

[forest orbit]

So?

[queen laurel]

Zero consequence on a warhammer setting

[open pumice]

it was a far worse curse.

[queen laurel]

That is standard at this point

[dusk patrol]

I generally think AoS is too big as a setting but I also get why they made it that way

[forest orbit]

It allows more freedom i like it

[queen laurel]

They need to get that money baller era

[forest orbit]

its like a middle point between 40k/WHF

[green loom]

Oh hey is that Morathi ascending to godhood proper and letting bits of slaanesh out? Good thing nothing has consequences

[open pumice]

when the story did mvoe forward, everyone got concequences, and the end times is till GW's worst writing

[dusk patrol]

I do enjoy TOW for how it has a proper world and feel to it

[storm jungle]

I still wont forget the times when everyone in the ye old internet forums were like

"man this gameplay of WHF is dogshit i hope it explodes"

it does

[queen laurel]

To be honest i completely separate the end times to age of sigmar

Gw wanted to make a new fantasy so they did

A writing event and making something new is a completely different

Thing

[open pumice]

It has 40 years of lore behind it, AOS does not, it's not AOS' fault

[storm jungle]

It was also very much the correct decision at the end of the day

so like its very much whatever

[dusk patrol]

It’s more the way the worlds set up tbh

AoS is massive

[open pumice]

End times made me bitter for AoS 1st ed

but it is not AoS' fault

[open pumice]

shut up and stop being right

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Yeah a correct decision that was executed like it was french noble with a guillotine

I'm probably mixing up my history but i don't give a crap

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

My issue with End Times was more execution and laziness of it since they had a really cool opportunity there

[queen laurel]

Manfred

[open pumice]

I mean I hardcore disagree on it being whatever, i loved fantasy dearly

but it was the correct decision

[queen laurel]

I thought his entire stick was being smart

The world is ending and this guy is going to save it

What do i do

[open pumice]

stab that bitch

[dusk patrol]

Also I think Total Warhammer and VT proved people do love the actual setting

[queen laurel]

Correct

[storm jungle]

Okay but I loved it too, I got like so many fucking fantasy books i got a bookshelf dedicated to it.

I just dont really have as much of a biased opinion since even if it exploded i can still just go and do a session of Bogenhafen on it or whatever else.

[open pumice]

gelt went out like a bitch and it pisses me off

[green loom]

Wasn't he enslaved and kinda abused by Nagash at the time lol

[dusk patrol]

They jsut didn’t have a vehicle for it before

[queen laurel]

I think

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of things

if those games didnt exist people would definitely not care as much either

[green loom]

If anything the worst parts of the shitshow would be on Nagash

[dusk patrol]

But that’s because they literally wouldn’t know it existed

[storm jungle]

Exactly my point lol

[queen laurel]

The skaven absolutely pass him around like a blunt

[open pumice]

A huge problem was:

GW fucked the balance so hard to only way out was a total reset.

And they couldn't sell a total reset without a new system.

[dusk patrol]

The games provided a way for casuals to like actually see the setting

[green loom]

People enjoy things that are affordable and not garbage(aka not end days fantasy )

[storm jungle]

"I MISS FANTASY SO MUCH"

Guy that played TOW for 2 hours

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Honestly i've gotten over my biases with aos and i'm glad

[dusk patrol]

Whereas before it had some books few people really read and a outdated tabletop

[queen laurel]

After realizing how much better they do the orcs there

[open pumice]

at the end of 8th ed you had skaven armies that couldn't fit on the board because they were so dirt cheap to play

[queen laurel]

I love you old world orcs but iron jaws

You got my attention

[storm jungle]

Its about as annoying as all these braindead morons going GW is ditching AOS for TOW

Like... are you okay mister

[queen laurel]

I literally said once that they just have to stare the community news

And see the new models and they will realize that it's not going to get railroaded

[green loom]

Theyre probably smoking this

[open pumice]

it's the same people who think that 10th ed is a financial failure, or that GW was going to go bankrupt after female custodes ( they posted record profits)

[storm jungle]

Okay but

the stock dropped for a week

[queen laurel]

Mine

[storm jungle]

clearly they were right

[green loom]

Less than

[dusk patrol]

Cavill is totally leaving guys

Any day now

[green loom]

It dropped like a % for a day

[storm jungle]

IM GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAANE

Im so glad Cavill is not superman anymore, the moment i see him i just remember 40k threads sucking his cock 24/7

PTSD

[green loom]

He's just like me! He MUST hate women!

[open pumice]

but didn't you hear
he-who-shall-not-be-named said he has an inside source™️ that the show is being cancelled!

[storm jungle]

or people going "a rogue intern did this"

WHAT FUCKING ROGUE INTERN

IS THIS THE COLD WAR?

[dusk patrol]

I used to like women and then I had to interact with Dilara consistently, she’s swaying me back

[storm jungle]

Hell yeah

[dusk patrol]

Sexism is so back boys

[open pumice]

funnily enough
a romor spread by he-who-shall-not-be-named form another inside wouce™️

[storm jungle]

The warhammer fandom is basically split between

• People that complain about minis
• People that complain about lore
• People that complain after seeing a black space marine or female knight

[dusk patrol]

I should be a 40k tuber tbh

It seems really easy

[storm jungle]

If you got a good format its easy

lol

[dusk patrol]

Just gotta make slide shows of official art and AI art bullshit

[green loom]

You don't even need a good voice just tack on to the haha memelore

[queen laurel]

Me releases a mini and lore about a female space marine just to see an outrage

[green loom]

If you can animate/draw? Literally free ticket

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

This is why we love the Astartes guy

Cause he never fucking talked

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Rare trait for a 40k tuber

[storm jungle]

Honestly just make a space marine focused channel and milk shit like Rylanor, ez money

[green loom]

He talked on his Patreon if memory serves

[storm jungle]

Yeah he did

he stopped doing warhammer content a few years ago

[queen laurel]

Yeah but those are also the same people that would purposely shoot you in gta just because you exist

[open pumice]

and with our powers combined, we have still yet to touch a blade of grass!

[dusk patrol]

This hair is

Actually a war crime

Like what the fuck

What the fuck is this

[open pumice]

Weshammer needs help

and to also like

be correct atleast 10% of the time

[dusk patrol]

He’s like a book accurate Game of Thrones character

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/C3Ut9PoPlaA?si=6nGOxX-jyWgKdWxt

Server relevant content

[storm jungle]

I extremely respect the mustache, but that hair makes me wanna rip off his scalp

[queen laurel]

The trinity of the slop tends to have very noticeable characteristics

[storm jungle]

LMAO

ill agree with bricky

Valrak is like

[green loom]

Is it wrong of me to say I'm not surprised that you do

[storm jungle]

an NPC

hes fine

[open pumice]

bricky is perfect in every way

[dusk patrol]

Dude what is with all these YouTube commenters looking like fucking Jeffery Dahmer recently

[queen laurel]

When he's doing something else besides warhammer yeah

[storm jungle]

I DONT WANNA LISTEN TO ANOTHER PATREON PLUGIN

[green loom]

Bricky is fun if it isn't his podcast lmao

Also he's pretty tall apparently.

[dusk patrol]

Why is that shitty mustache back

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's enjoyable as long as it isn't warhammer

Like he has some good reviews here and there

And he's actually friendly

[green loom]

And he's not an awful human being

[queen laurel]

That's why i said friendly you armored sack of potatoes

[open pumice]

I like his warhammer stuff, because it's a good entry into the setting

but he doesn't just milk 40k books for content and actually makes decent fucking cointent

[queen laurel]

Yes he's a good entry point

[storm jungle]

Ehhhhhhh

bricky is too meme-lore imo

[queen laurel]

But you should very quickly move on when you want to learn more

[green loom]

Decent in reference to his 40k content is debatable

[storm jungle]

even if he actively advertises it

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is also a problem

[storm jungle]

his fandom is ass

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

Not the least because he literally can't stay on script

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's non 40k content are good

[storm jungle]

I'd also rather like... listen to them talk about lore comedy or not, instead of advertising their porn art for 20 minutes

[queen laurel]

That i will give him 40k

He needs to stay away from that

[dusk patrol]

I’d recommend Arbiter Ian as a sleep aid

[storm jungle]

Luetin is sleep aid

you rude fuck

[queen laurel]

Of course you do

[green loom]

Like the big faction intro shit
He literally has the script in his hands and can't stay on script

[open pumice]

it is meme-lore
but ti's a good entry point

i wouldn't go to bricky for good lore content, liek I'm not a fan of his podcast
but hsi "every faction expol.ained" video is good

[dusk patrol]

So many of the good loretubers are

I do love em though

[storm jungle]

I tried but after listening to him for like a year the cycle gets boring

DK is also like, borderline braindead

[green loom]

Which again is weird because his general gaming content is pretty good

[storm jungle]

"HOHOHO HOLY SHIT"

[open pumice]

fair
but also to be fair
i takle all of my yotube content in small doses for a reason

[dusk patrol]

I only do hard YouTube content

Overdoses

[green loom]

All is as it was meant to be

I use YouTube for music and to listen to law and order as background noise

[dusk patrol]

I like SVU, cause Ice Cube not knowing about every single super well know sick crime is hilarious

[storm jungle]

Ian is still my top favorite because hes like the only lore youtuber ive seen that will pause a video midway and explian IRL/game background shit around his video content.

[dusk patrol]

Or is it Ice T

Whichever

[green loom]

I like Munch

[storm jungle]

Like the Anphelion Project where he reminds the audience the boxset was a big deal because we saw flying nids for the first time

its neat

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Ian adds good context to stuff

[queen laurel]

Him and pancreas

I like ian because he's very easy understand the very easy to get to

And Pancreas makes entertaining videos and actually tackles age of sigmar

[dusk patrol]

Also he you know

Does basic research

[green loom]

Dilara you can't fool me, I KNOW you're a tourist

[dusk patrol]

A rare thing for 40k tubers

[storm jungle]

^

It helps that hes like

an actual oldie person that played the game from the Ancient Times

lol

[queen laurel]

If we're going by bad though i would right now Majorkill

He's definitely right now one of the worst

[storm jungle]

LOL

[queen laurel]

He can somehow give me a brain hemorrhage

[storm jungle]

I loved it when he went after that awful hair dude

for like...

"copying his content"

[dusk patrol]

At least he did that stupid copyright thing or whatever

So he’s more hated now

[storm jungle]

LOL

Yeah that was a blessing ngl

huge ego on that cunt

[queen laurel]

Yeah the f****** kangaroo humper

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Honestly i bare even watched his videos because they were all garbage

Even when the topic is within my interest

I can barely get into how he talks

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dog-smirking-evil-gif-1174039551531775064

Me watching a content creator I always hated but didn’t have a good reason to really get into some drama so now I’m justified in my irrational hatred

[storm jungle]

^

I never actively mald about those people but its always good to see them get some Interwebs Justice™️

[leaden pilot]

For me sleep aid is usually The Ashen Hollow

[open pumice]

Real

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-justice-harry-potter-uncle-vernon-richard-griffiths-gif-7296852

[storm jungle]

Based choice

[queen laurel]

Yeah like i would rather look for more iron jaw art than bother him but it's good to see he gets kick in the nuts a few times a day

[leaden pilot]

I sometimes use luetin but I prefer to actually listen to him and not just sleep through his videos

[storm jungle]

Yeah Luetin is 50/50

[queen laurel]

Yeah his videos are just incredibly unnecessarily long though

[storm jungle]

i like him but he also strikes me as a pretentious asshat sometimes

[queen laurel]

Detailed as hell don't get me wrong

[storm jungle]

"I know the Warp is purposefully not explainable but im gonna do it anyway"

then he talks about quantum physics

like... bro stop

[dusk patrol]

Thank god for drama tubers, truly they are scum and I love to listen to scum recap some pointless Mario cart speedrun drama that I knew nothing about prior

I have strong opinions now though

[storm jungle]

LOL

[queen laurel]

I don't agree with you most times but you know what yeah

They do good work

One of the rare times i agree with you

[storm jungle]

honestly it wasnt even dramatubers for me

i just saw someone posting majorkill hate-memes here

and i was like "wut"

[queen laurel]

Watching moistcritical release another video about a person being a dumbass

Is always instant serotonin

[queen laurel]

Yes the battle of the mid

Ed got me good that one

[dusk patrol]

Mfw I’m reading about the downfall of a zoomer YouTuber because he dated a 18 year old when he was 19 and apparently this is basically pedophilia

[storm jungle]

Like

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

why the fuck cant some youtubers "big criminal reveal"

just be them laundering money or something

THAT I can at least understand

[dusk patrol]

It’s nice when it’s not boring

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Like, being real

I don’t care if a guy behind the scenes is a mean boss or is kinda a dick

Especially since it’s never even like fun mean boss stuff

It’s always like “ugh he’s so mean to me”

[queen laurel]

People in the internet after they reach the top of the world with fame and money and all they can have in the world

[dusk patrol]

Never “he threw a chair at me and threatened to have me killed”

That would be fun

[green loom]

"he made me fly back from my son's birth so he could steal my hair gel"

[dusk patrol]

“Idk he just had bad vibes man”

Like stfu come back with a fun story

[green loom]

Apparently Stallone is pretty bad

God where's Siggy he'd know some lol

[dusk patrol]

I’ve heard mixed things

I’ve had friends who have worked in the industry a lot of these guys tbh it feels like the day matters more

[green loom]

"did he do meth today or just cocaine"

[dusk patrol]

Like I remember one guy was talking about how an actor who was rude and mean on set and I looked them up and his fucking wife had just died

It wasn’t a big name but it’s just that kinda stuff

There’s this obsession with posting about how mean a celebrity was to you on TikTok and stuff it’s weird

Mfer you’re handing them coffee and based off how you’re talking about it I wish they’d have throw it in your face

Normalize 👏 Hating 👏 Baristas 👏