40k-lore-chat

[fallen plaza]

I would just find an excuse to run as much demolisher cannons as much as i can

[crystal forum]

basically running a 9e mechanized guard loadout at that point

i'd run autoguns only of course

[dusk patrol]

Mechanized Guard you say?

[crystal forum]

what happens if he loses his muscles

[fallen plaza]

Not possible

[crystal forum]

will he just look like a half beefy robot

[storm jungle]

Just get a replacement

its an angle games like Cyberpunk explore where little kids can get bionics

"What will happen when my body grows?"

"Well you can just buy another one from us! :)"

lol

[dusk patrol]

Common Flesh L

[storm jungle]

man Adam Smasher really was cooking

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-youre-ruining-our-moment-here-smash-gif-26854687

Pictured: Flesh (the loli), Metal (the Smasher)

[arctic talon]

Isn’t rebbeca an adult 💀

[dusk patrol]

Wrong actually she’s a 10,000 year old dragon

[thorn zenith]

she's Eternal Reward's mother

[dusk patrol]

Bet you feel dumb for calling me a pedo now huh?

[thorn zenith]

you also have to keep updating your bionics or the corps might put malware or something in it

[storm jungle]

Lmao that too

[thorn zenith]

god damn subscription based economy lmao

[storm jungle]

The studio they were working with unfortunately literally said "The loli must stay in"

💀

I do like Rebecca's character but I sadly like Smasher more

[dusk patrol]

Smasher found a way to make her even shorter, impressive really

[storm jungle]

LOL

God i really respect this show for like, doing the trope of "Canon character shows up to slaughter entire cast"

[thorn zenith]

true, the unstoppable smashfucker type who bins every developments instantly is damn hilarious to see

[storm jungle]

[thorn zenith]

and iirc Smasher is also a literal gear check in the tabletop games

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-david-martinez-death-david-martinez-death-david-death-gif-26854691

POV: You just found out you’re not the main character

[storm jungle]

Yeah also the entire angle of how David legit got his entire crew killed

[thorn zenith]

if your shit aint elite then youre dying

[dusk patrol]

(This is the wrong use of PoV and I don’t care)

[amber night]

Is the show really that good ? I feel like the show was good but wasn’t like something that is extraordinary

[storm jungle]

Its really good, not even overhyped considering how short it is

also like best thing to come out of cyberpunk in a good while

[amber night]

I mean it’s good but wasn’t like anything too special

Too special I should say

[dusk patrol]

It’s very well done yeah

[storm jungle]

^

Its just a good show

[thorn zenith]

it also uses a lot of things that are there in the game so all the game players are like daaaaamn

[storm jungle]

it starts well and ends well

[amber night]

I am not surprised by how the story is ended

The tone was desolate in the beginning and David wasn’t special by any means

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but most people didnt know this

[thorn zenith]

its basically the whole point of merc life lmao, you live fast and die a glorious death

[storm jungle]

^

[amber night]

Even he won against smasher he is gonna die

Eventually

[storm jungle]

the entire message is David was a moron that ruined his life and got all his friends killed

he never listened to Maine's last words and didnt leave the city

thats what makes it tragic in retrospective

[amber night]

That’s the narrative no

The hell is paved by god intentions

[dusk patrol]

The moral of the story: stay in school

[amber night]

His ambition outlived him

[storm jungle]

pretty much

its not a lot indeed but you dont really see something like this in most modern TV shows is the thing

its one of the reasons why a lot of people liked it

[thorn zenith]

its also perfectly in line with the setting and that life is shit in NC and theres damn near zero chance of happy ending especially for mercs

[storm jungle]

Its why Nomads are always the best choice, Night City is pretty much a meat grinder

[dusk patrol]

It turns out falling in with a dangerous gang of murderous criminals because you find one of them hot isn’t actually a good idea

I’m shocked

[storm jungle]

LOL

[amber night]

Me looking at David tripping while I have modded out my cybernetics

Buying slots and having berserk and sandy at the same time

And cyberdeck

[thorn zenith]

i mean, V literally got into the life because his new/best (depending on lifepath) was a merc

[storm jungle]

David went cyberpsycho due to having immense trauma

V doesnt exactly have that experience

[amber night]

I don’t think it was the trauma only

The sandy was too much on him

[storm jungle]

It was entirely trauma, this is explored in the game

[amber night]

Ohh

[storm jungle]

every cyberpsycho tends to have psychological issues

[amber night]

Interesting

[storm jungle]

the bionics just enhance this and make it worse

[dusk patrol]

Can’t blame him David didn’t have Panems ass personality to carry him through

[thorn zenith]

im saying it doesnt really take much for someone to go into merc business, you just need an iron and a dream

[storm jungle]

pretty much IRL but less "cool"

[storm jungle]

And yeah the cyberpsycho cases you can do ingame explores this immensely

its why the corporations cover it up

[amber night]

However

Everyone is on the spectrum

[dusk patrol]

The key is start out a psychopath

[amber night]

We all have mental disorder on some degree some more severe

You are fucked either way

The game was good

Some severe flaws from my perspective in terms of game mechanism and plot

[thorn zenith]

i mean, if i have metal hands i would feel the temptation to backhand a bitch more intensely than if i was normal thats for sure

[arctic talon]

Johnny is my favorite cyber psycho

Fun fact he’s a cyber psycho

[thorn zenith]

i have quite a few issue with the plot lmao

[dusk patrol]

Woah

[amber night]

Also the game mechanism a

[arctic talon]

I think the plot is fine generally speaking for 2077

[amber night]

Pissed me off

[arctic talon]

I wouldn’t say it’s terrible

[amber night]

I had like 50 mods

[arctic talon]

It’s very Silverhand/Arasaka centric

[amber night]

Not terrible not didn’t live up to the hype

[arctic talon]

What a surprise I know

[thorn zenith]

yeah it works, i just have some personal issues with some parts

[dusk patrol]

They do their best to make Keanu compelling despite his acting

[arctic talon]

I think Keanu does a decent job

As Silverhand

[amber night]

I have quite an issue with the narrative

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t get the massive fucking ego quite right

[dusk patrol]

He’s fine, I think they could have picked a better actor but it’s not a huge deal

[arctic talon]

But close enough

[amber night]

How did v didn’t get hunted down all the time or flagged every sec afterwards

How is Johnny so casually just rushed the Ashoka tower ?

[dusk patrol]

It being Keanu is kinda fun so I don’t care too much

[arctic talon]

Because Yorinobu is covering it up

[amber night]

Not really

[arctic talon]

He wants Arasaka to implode

Explicitly lol

[amber night]

The cat was still out the bag

[arctic talon]

He is self sabotaging the company

[amber night]

He should be hunted every second like far cry 5

[arctic talon]

During the game

[thorn zenith]

your eye implant also blocks anything from ID-ing your face

[arctic talon]

^

[amber night]

Oh

[arctic talon]

You have the scav thing going on

To an extent

[thorn zenith]

yeah if you jack a cctv camera and look at yourself your face gets blurred out

[amber night]

I just didn’t felt the reprecussion was throughly enough

[arctic talon]

There’s no repercussions because yorinobu doesn’t give a shit about you

[amber night]

And how casual Johnny is about the whole thing

[arctic talon]

Johnny was most likely soul killed after he was bisected by smasher

His memories of the raid on Arasaka tower are all wrong anyways

They’re heavily distorted and made to make him look like the sole hero

[thorn zenith]

i have an issue with how theres supposed to be a team, but we just work alone. Even in Rogue ending i thought we were gonna have a full squad of kitted out mercs with us but it was just us 2 and the pilot

[arctic talon]

Well as much of a hero as you can be for causing nuclear holocaust

[amber night]

Damn

I just got spoiled

[arctic talon]

Oh

[amber night]

The fuck outta the ending haha

[arctic talon]

About what

Oof

[gray umbra]

if you call rogue, she basically tells you nobody wants to work with you

[thorn zenith]

oh

[dusk patrol]

Why would I need a team when I’m Him

[gray umbra]

because you got an entire team killed

[arctic talon]

^yeah this also

[gray umbra]

or are implied to have

[thorn zenith]

ikr but still

[arctic talon]

V is forced into solo work

Because well

[gray umbra]

you have really bad rep

[arctic talon]

Your whole crew died

Horribly

No one gives a shit about dex

[thorn zenith]

i forgot about that, yea it makes sense

[amber night]

I felt bad for the chick that was in the crew

[arctic talon]

But Jackie and T-bug both ate it and T-bug died about the worst death you can die as a netrunner

[dusk patrol]

Nah

[amber night]

She deserved better

[dusk patrol]

She’s a dork

[arctic talon]

Lol

[amber night]

I wish more was done about the Meredith

Route

[dusk patrol]

Anyone who picked T-Bug as their name deserves to die horribly

[arctic talon]

Also shaiten got cucked so hard design wise lol

Bro does not look fully borged up

[thorn zenith]

Shaitan appeared for like 3 seconds

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Which makes sense to feeds Johnny ego lol

Because he did half the fucking work for that team and is the only reason they didn’t all die to smasher

[gray umbra]

cp2077 definitely is in a much better place but some things you cant just fix with a rushed release lmao

[amber night]

I mean

I haven’t played the latest update

[thorn zenith]

yeah i think crunch forced em to cut out some pretty big stuff

[arctic talon]

2.0 is good

[amber night]

I had severe issue with the game play

[arctic talon]

Imo

[amber night]

I don’t get why we didn’t have a garage

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/8/8e/Char_profile_shaitan.png/revision/latest?cb=20210114095320

Bro got cucked design wise

[thorn zenith]

Evelyn? or T-Bug

[dusk patrol]

I still gotta play the new dlc

[amber night]

T bug

[gray umbra]

phantom liberty is cool

[amber night]

Fuck eve

[thorn zenith]

bruh i remembered him looking like discount Colossus from Deadpool

[arctic talon]

He has an actual cool design in RED and 2020

Lol

[thorn zenith]

yeah T-Bug got instantly fucked

[amber night]

That haircut gives me nightmare

[arctic talon]

She didn’t get instantly killed

Is the worst part lol

[thorn zenith]

point still stands but yeah, the worst death

[arctic talon]

You can meet one of her netrunner friends who talks about her unfortunate death

[amber night]

I was so happy when I given the choice to butcher all the French mfs

[arctic talon]

LOL

[amber night]

Yeah the shop

[thorn zenith]

there was no running or fighting, just shafted

[amber night]

It got old really quick , I am just here for some schematics

[thorn zenith]

make Placide go Flacide

[arctic talon]

Wonder if we’ll get a 2077 ttrpg

After RED is done

Prolly not

[amber night]

Bro

[arctic talon]

What

[amber night]

They really thought I am let them live after fucking me over 3 times

That’s insanity

[thorn zenith]

i would love squad based cyberpunk

[gray umbra]

i want a new shadowrun game

[arctic talon]

I can’t force casual dnd 5e players to play Cyberpunk RED with me

[arctic talon]

I just let Alt fry them lol

[amber night]

Nah

Let’s get personal

[arctic talon]

You still get to kill placide

[thorn zenith]

it is VERY hard to let the voodoo boys live, they just be fucking you without care

[arctic talon]

That’s intentional

Tbf

[gray umbra]

voodoo boys die everytime

[arctic talon]

Maelstrom and scavs are shoot on sight lol

[thorn zenith]

no one incurs your wrath like they do

[amber night]

Bruh that dude had the audacity to say I betrayed him after I butchered his entire squad

I was like fuck yeah , saved you for last

[thorn zenith]

i mean, scavs are just scavs and maelstrom are dicks (except for Brick and my boy Dum Dum)

[amber night]

Brick was good

I mean meaningful slaughter is always peak

In game I mean

[arctic talon]

Brick is like

On the sane side

[amber night]

I can’t believe there are popele who like Johnny

[arctic talon]

Same with dumdum

[amber night]

He fucking sucks

[arctic talon]

I like Johnny as a character

I enjoy how much of an egotistical piece of shit

[amber night]

He is well written yes

[arctic talon]

Who refuses to self reflect

[amber night]

But his ideals is dogshit

[rose thorn]

Necromunda reference??!?

[amber night]

He is a cynical egotistic nihilistic ampatheric piece of shit

[thorn zenith]

you do get to call him out on his shit lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah and that’s what’s fun

[amber night]

Yeah but

He is not suffering

The criticisms doesn’t do any good

He is mere representation of that aspect of the society

[thorn zenith]

i wonder how the interaction go if you just be constantly antagonizing him but give him your body in the end

congratulations you now have a brain and a depression

i do like that organically V and Johnny are never really friends, just roommates who dont like each others

[amber night]

I wondered

With that much time

Instead of using bionics

Why not developed better quality tissue material to work with in the first place

[rose thorn]

WOOOO ORDO ASTRA TIME BABYYYY

[amber night]

I get the business aspect but not instead of replacing inferior material (flesh ) with temporary parts( bionics) why not upgrade the base material

Like genetic engineering, nano bio mass

I do enjoy having mantis arm and gorilla arms and launcher at the same time

[dusk patrol]

Because it’s harder and metal is easier to repair if it gets fucked up

Also flesh is cringe

[thorn zenith]

theres also the angle of planned obsolescense

and potential recycling

you WANT something to break down so your customers come back to fix them or get new ones

i might also say that metal bionics are easier to research and make than making you an ubermensch

[amber night]

I mean from the perspective of big corpo yeah

Did yall attend Jackie funeral ?

[thorn zenith]

i did

[amber night]

What did you took ?

I mean for the speech

His mom was a baddie ngl

[thorn zenith]

my memory is hazy but my one was speech about him loving life or something

[amber night]

Oh

[thorn zenith]

OH now i recall one thing thats missing from the game

dual wielding

[amber night]

You mean arms and weapons ?

[thorn zenith]

yeah

[amber night]

Oh yeah

Mods baby

Mods

[thorn zenith]

it would fit so well, especially when we see Jackie doing it

[amber night]

Dishonor type shit?

[thorn zenith]

i was thinking Wolfenstein type shit but that works

[amber night]

I mean for a triple a of this caliber

Lots of fundamental stuff is missing

Like lack of gun and arms and car customization

The houses are shit

[thorn zenith]

yeah, couldve had loads more things

[amber night]

Everything is bullet sponges

[thorn zenith]

it being an rpg is also kind of eh

[amber night]

How the fuck does none of house have a garage

Fucking gta 5 outdid for Christ sake

I mean at the same it is gta 5

[thorn zenith]

for real tho the only houses that would have their proper garage would be the corpo plaza one and maybe heywood

japantown condo is too small, starter house has one but its a public parking spot

and the motel is, well, the motel parking

that does bring up the question of there being so many cars in NC, where do they park em

[amber night]

Air drop

Maybe we lived in the matrix all along

Do we ever see how strong the khan is compared to his beothers ?

I know he battled daemon Morty and almost died

[hallow plover]

He can go really fast

[thorn zenith]

literal sanic, makes orks run like bitches

[hallow plover]

Like he wiped out an entire ork waahg by going sanic on them

And the luna wolves creamed themselves while watching

[amber night]

Yeah I wished we seen more of him during the siege

I want to know how well he stacked against others

[hallow plover]

He implied he was a better swordsman than Fulgrim I think

But Fulgrim is all talk

[fallen plaza]

Which primarch doesnt say there better than there brothers

[hallow plover]

True

But the Khan isn't one to talk shit tho

[fallen plaza]

So trying to rank any based on which primarch praises the other is kinda silly

[hallow plover]

Trying to rank anything in 40k is silly 👀

[fallen plaza]

My point exactly

[hallow plover]

Power levels vary so much depending on the author

[amber night]

I imagine there should be like meeting or guideline about power scaling and do or do nots

[crystal forum]

this is genuinely like the people who ask for "realistic" hard sci fi yet most hard sci fi books are so obscure because they're boring

power levels are for anime

[fallen plaza]

Power levels are much different to hard sci-fi

One is for nerds, one is for man babies who cant comprehend media beyond fight scenes

[crystal forum]

not to mention having clear power levels would make tabletop weird since randomness is a huge part of the experience

[arctic talon]

shut up, red mars is peak

[arctic talon]

power scalers should be drawn and quartered

on god

[crystal forum]

sure you can win a hugo award but is it a new york times best seller though

gotta love how like every HH book has a label slapped on it claiming that the series was a new york times best seller

probably only one book reached it

[fallen plaza]

Im talking in terms of story gay

[tough haven]

I just want there to be general vague power scaling so it’s not “oh every faction is just as strong and powerful as every other faction because we wanna hype you up to buy their models”

[arctic talon]

I mean

we do kind of have that

[tough haven]

And just because a faction would be stronger doesn’t mean they couldn’t lose to a weaker faction in lore or tabletop

[arctic talon]

just saying

[fallen plaza]

I mean, no shit there is a clear ranking on who is more powerful “generally”

[arctic talon]

^

[tough haven]

I feel like every faction is described an extremely powerful unstoppable force that could never possibly lose

[fallen plaza]

But it shouldn’t be set in stone

[tough haven]

Like nids or necrons

Or even like imperial factions sometimes

[arctic talon]

Okay but like that isn't the case clearly

[fallen plaza]

Or every faction that has a codex?

[arctic talon]

A fire warrior is going to get their ass beaten by a Marine lol

and a Marine is going to get their ass beaten by a CSM generally or vice versa

ect.

GW has broadly sorted factions

[arctic talon]

like you can broadly sort things into

basic infantry, elite infantry, very elite infantry, marine tier stuff

[edgy palm]

Can't remember where I had read it before, need a fact check, is it the case that non-Psykers can't really see Psyker powers?

Or is it just that they don't see it the same way

[soft thunder]

probably the 2nd option, haven't heard of the first before. Psykers do view the world differently, having warp sight or something. Which is why they are so fond of blindfolds etc.

Others seem to be able to see all the lightning and blue flame etc, but psykers probably see it more vividly. Mayhaps with colors outside of space.

[storm jungle]

This hasnt been really ever the case, of all factions only a handful are entirely unstoppable.

The list tends to be just Orks, Necrons and Nids though

they are very much always handicapped in every way imaginable as every single storybeat has to remind us if they werent they'd beat everyone lol

[celest dome]

Active power they will see. But there are some power that are quite discreet.
There is also the ambient Warp which people can't see but Psyker do. If it's high/concentrated enough then it can be seen by regular people

[plush mason]

so non-psykers can be sorcerers?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Sorcery is different from psyker stuff

Although it does help to have psychic potential to do sorcery

[plush mason]

yeah it seems to be just full on magic lol, using rituals and symbolism to call on the warp

[dusk patrol]

Basically, you’re using something else’s power

As opposed to just channeling the warp yourself

That being said lots of sorcerers are psykers and both can intertwine easy

[plush mason]

so basically 40k psykers = dnd sorcerers and 40k sorcerers = dnd wizards/warlocks

[dusk patrol]

I’ve had sex before so I don’t understand the comparison

But maybe

[plush mason]

dnd sorcerers have an innate ability to use magic due to their blood lines

[dusk patrol]

I’m kidding yes basically

[plush mason]

lol

also the fact the grimoires in 40k are literally books used to learn sorcery makes the special objective to take them fully understandable

[dusk patrol]

They’re also icky

[plush mason]

the more of them we take the harder it is for the cult to do their rituals

[tough haven]

I just mean description wise, but I suppose that’s largely propaganda

[storm jungle]

The description mostly keeps in with theme too tbh

it only sometimes hypes up the weaponry

or like the shit the faction can do

[tough haven]

And with like weapons and tech being inconsistent to hype up whatever faction is the main character so people will buy their stuff

[storm jungle]

they rarely go "they can kill everyone" unless its the 3 factions i mentioned eralier

[tough haven]

Like every vs necrons book has necrons being as durable as wet tissue paper from anything that isn’t lasguns

And the reanimation is way turned down

[dusk patrol]

Necrodermis for most Necrons isn’t super durable reslly

[tough haven]

You just kill ‘em once with a bolter and boom

[dusk patrol]

They just take a lot to go down

And they regen

[tough haven]

I’m talking like 1-2 bolter rounds

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Most basic Necrons aren’t super special durability wise

They’re just able to come back over and over and their guns are OP

Most Necrons can’t tank that much fire power really

[plush mason]

got to love a weapon that literally rips matter apart at the molecular level

[storm jungle]

Thats just comic book shit

Necrons are the worst example because they are a very OP faction that are actively handicapped at every oppoturnity.

[spring cairn]

it wouldn't be fun if the common footsoldier was a raid boss tbh

[storm jungle]

their main infantry can literally kill tanks

[dusk patrol]

Once you get to lords and stuff it gets a lot more durable

[storm jungle]

so they need to be nerfed constantly

lol

[green loom]

Yay Corvus Blackstars

[dusk patrol]

Also most Necron encounters are like

Bare minimum protocols

[arctic talon]

Mfw your great great great grandpa got it on with a dragon

[plush mason]

their guns are insane, so ofc

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

yeah wars against them are literally just War of the Worlds

aka big robots/small robots moving towards you with death lasers

[arctic talon]

Fighting against Necrons is just a horror show

[dusk patrol]

So they get sick and all die?

[storm jungle]

sprinkle in some melee and its kinda it

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

no thats PRE-Necrons

also their 9th edition new mini range had the dudes outright say its War of the Worlds inspired with all the tripods so lol

[dusk patrol]

They keep failing to kill Dakota Fanning screaming?

[spring cairn]

pre necron retirement home filled with 20 year olds

[plush mason]

that is still one of the dumbest ending i have ever seen "we need human blood. but wait we also cant survive earth born microbes" i guess no one told the aliens human blood is full of them...

[storm jungle]

it probably soudned better when the author was writing it

lol

[tough haven]

I’d be cool with them being fragile if they showcased them coming back more outside of being overlooked

[dusk patrol]

Well no one said they were smart

[arctic talon]

I mean they’re fragile, but they’re like scion level “fragile”

[storm jungle]

Necrons are not that fragile

[arctic talon]

True

[dusk patrol]

Only lords like Imotekh are actually absurdly tanky

[storm jungle]

your average Warriors can go toe-to-toe with marines lol

they are just toy soldiers at the end of the day is the thing

[arctic talon]

I forgor smh

[dusk patrol]

But it doesn’t matter because they’re really dangerous and they regen and are hard to keep down

They have critical weak spots still

[plush mason]

they should be able to one shot them, but plot

[dusk patrol]

Like reactors and stuff

[arctic talon]

I mean that’s how gauss weapons work yes

Necrons are always shown as terrifying lol

In like everything

[dusk patrol]

Once you get to Imotekh level he can ignore dudes wailing on him with power weapons and stuff and out heal any damage

[arctic talon]

Overlords and lords are quite literally built better

[spring cairn]

you have to wait til he reaches his regen cap

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

No not that yeah

Above that yeah

[plush mason]

and now im just imaging him just standing their while some space marines are whacking at him and just being mildly annoyed at most by the whole thing, ty for that

[arctic talon]

That is literally the helbrecht fight

[dusk patrol]

There’s a short of an IG regiment who keep setting a trap everyday for a Necron patrol which comes through, because the planet is mostly still on “dumb” basic security protocols

[arctic talon]

And then he chops helbrechts arm off and laughs at him

[storm jungle]

yeah this is what i mean

[dusk patrol]

That’s his sop

[storm jungle]

to beat necrons you need plot conveniences

and necrons are full of em

lol

[dusk patrol]

Not really it’s how they work

[storm jungle]

Nah

[dusk patrol]

They’re dumb unless led

[tough haven]

I don’t mind their guns being nerfed and then being easily killable comparatively, just so long as they showcase how hard it is to keep them down or from coming back, cause that’s the main reason why necrons are terrifying, endless, deathless hordes

[plush mason]

i love that

[storm jungle]

"Oh they are damaged from age"

[dusk patrol]

They’re still super dangerous

[storm jungle]

because otherwise they will kill everyone

ad infinitum

[dusk patrol]

But basic Necrons and security is beatable by how dumb it is, once they get a commander controlling them they get super dangerous

[arctic talon]

Tomb world eepy

[storm jungle]

Yeah and again this exists so the other side has a chance

thats my point lol

they are so OP its basically necessary

[tough haven]

These are what makes me annoyed

[dusk patrol]

I guess but that’s how they function

[tough haven]

They could come up with better plot reasons

[dusk patrol]

Like you can say the same for how powerful their stuff is idk

[arctic talon]

Why? It fits them

[tough haven]

Or just have it be less necrons accordingly

[dusk patrol]

It’s a built in part of their lore

[arctic talon]

It’s just how they’re written

[storm jungle]

You just get used to it after awhile, every time its essentially:

• Overlord is mad
• Stuff is damaged because old

[arctic talon]

Again they’re mostly sleeping still

[plush mason]

yeah a faction like them are a nightmare to balance, they literally killed gods and turned the rest into pokemon

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[tough haven]

I guess it wouldn’t irk me as much if we saw some more encounters on the other foot

[storm jungle]

this nerfing is necessary basically

[dusk patrol]

Also most dynasties aren’t nearly as big dick as the ones we typically see

[storm jungle]

or like

"We got a sniper that can literally appear anywhere and kill anyone but we wont use it because muh honor"

[arctic talon]

I mean twice dead king

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

The necron dynasty fucking dies

[tough haven]

Where it’s a fully awakened tomb world, and now we are totally fucked for walking here

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

They do straight up lose

[arctic talon]

^

It happens

[dusk patrol]

It’s just not the big dynasties

Most of them aren’t that dangerous on a galactic level

[tough haven]

No I don’t mean that, that’s fine

[arctic talon]

Or if it is the big dynasties it isn’t their big crown worlds or important tomb worlds

[dusk patrol]

They punch outside their weight class

[tough haven]

Something something arrogance

[dusk patrol]

But they often lack a lot of ability to sustain a proper massive effort from an opposing faction

And they can’t replenish actual losses

[tough haven]

And that is the main issue of it, necrons largely just care less

[arctic talon]

yeah any necron that goes down for good

is gone forever

[tough haven]

And imperium will be like “you mildly annoyed us, we will send crusade fleets ad infinitum”

[tough haven]

And underestimate

[tough haven]

This too

[spring cairn]

necrons could use a little "producing new shit"

[dusk patrol]

Necrons have a lot of varying goals

And also obviously lack unity typically

[spring cairn]

idk what you're supposed to do if you can't replenish ur losses, you're doomed to die to attrition

[crystal forum]

that would just be dumb since the whole setting is supposed to be in a never ending power struggle between all the factions

[dusk patrol]

Just win without losing

Duh

[crystal forum]

like necrons are very powerful but they have nerfs because otherwise they'd just win

[dusk patrol]

They have the potential but won’t because they can’t properly unify or agreed

You’re dealing with a lot of egos and shit

[tough haven]

Yeah but a lot of fights between factions that are outmatched should be a lot more uphill battles

[dusk patrol]

And they don’t share a goal even of biotransference on a large scale

[arctic talon]

They have canopteks

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Which is their replenishable stuff

[storm jungle]

Canopteks can be made infinitely

[dusk patrol]

Since Imotekh is in the “being a robot is sick as fuck” party now

[tough haven]

I’m find with stronger factions losing, just make it more like the opponent earned it

[arctic talon]

Canopteks are disposable

[storm jungle]

to like cover entire planets lol

[spring cairn]

it's their constructs right ?

[storm jungle]

Basically robots

[crystal forum]

alright so to get this straight are you saying some factions should be stronger than others or that they are stronger than others and just arent represented well

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

yeah but it doesn't seem to be the bulk of their forces

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

It’s a can of tek

[arctic talon]

The scarab horde in question

[storm jungle]

thats because necrons are obsessed with martial superiority

[tough haven]

Instead of like “yeah we killed all the immortal robots with 3 lasguns and the indomitable human spirit”

[arctic talon]

Also this

[storm jungle]

if they were smart they'd spam canopteks

[tough haven]

The second one

[storm jungle]

its like an RTS where theres no unit cap lol

[spring cairn]

yes they would

because they literally can't replenish

why risk real necrons

[storm jungle]

Because as we said

[dusk patrol]

Imotekh literally loses cause he’s a dick who wants to prove he’s better than you and humiliate you

[tough haven]

I love my lists of mostly canoptek

[storm jungle]

they like the martial way of waging war

[dusk patrol]

They’re not playing optimally

[arctic talon]

there's also heavily canoptek focused dynasties

or groups as well

[tough haven]

“We didn’t even have to wake up most of the actual people to kill you”

Is my favorite necrons vibe

[storm jungle]

its the same reason they just dont get a Deathmark to insta-teleport into an imperial war room and kill everyone in there.

Its sometimes considered "too ez"

[tough haven]

Of just barely needing to care

[dusk patrol]

Or they’re fucking insane

Or all of the above

[storm jungle]

Lame ahh excuse

[spring cairn]

all of the above

[dusk patrol]

Or they just don’t care

[crystal forum]

i don't think that's true. all the main factions have clear disadvantages hard coded in them that limits how good they are. the imperium might have numbers but their tech is all over the place, necrons might have tech but they have dementia, orks might seem like they win all the time but that's only because they manage to get a waaagh going in the first place, eldar seem just better but they dont have the numbers and all that

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah lets not forget the Celestial Orrery

the ability to blow up anything in the galaxy

[dusk patrol]

Tbf with that

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know

[tough haven]

It’s not fun if it’s too simple

[dusk patrol]

There’s a good reason they don’t use it

[storm jungle]

its with a responsible dynasty

thank fuck

[dusk patrol]

No it’s more than that though

[storm jungle]

they are also actively getting attacked by another dynasty who wants to blow everything up too

[arctic talon]

they are literally fighting a 2 way war to stop another dynasty from using it rn

[dusk patrol]

If you use it you literally destabilize reality

[storm jungle]

Yeah i know

its just funny

[tough haven]

It would fuck the fundamental functions of the universe

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I love my silly skeleton robot guys

[spring cairn]

they should hand over all of the leadership to the dudes who wear people skins

[storm jungle]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Hey some of them do

[tough haven]

It’s like imperial noble politics if it was cool

[crystal forum]

i think the only exception to the clear disadvantage is tau since pretty much all they lack is enough reach and resources. that might be why they feel so weird

[dusk patrol]

There’s often no real distinction tbh

[storm jungle]

Tau very much should have been handled in a case where they expanded every edition to the point of just going beyond the size of something like Ultramar

but like

[dusk patrol]

Beyond ones Necrons

[storm jungle]

nobody really cared or bothered

so they are just "there"

[arctic talon]

They did expand tbf

in like

8e

[storm jungle]

yeah by like

1cm

[arctic talon]

blame GW for that one

smh

[crystal forum]

they're perpetually stuck in the "new empire on the rise" stage

[storm jungle]

I JUST SAID I DID

YOU FUCKING HACKS

[storm jungle]

Also this

[arctic talon]

We got the 5th sphere of expansion

which was cool

ig

[tough haven]

It’s more over the top and silly

[storm jungle]

How about

i expand your spheres

so they explode

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/infinite-power-lorry-images-bollard-loophole-loop-gif-26082342

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

🪄

[spring cairn]

they're gonna expand soon

any moment now

[storm jungle]

that is the most cocktease gif ive seen in existence damn

[arctic talon]

They have expanded

its just like idk

[dusk patrol]

Just one more new battle suit guys

[arctic talon]

ask GW lol

The earth caste begging for more money

colorized

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like the Tau are operating optimally either anyways.

[crystal forum]

much better than the imperium

[arctic talon]

thats not a high bar

[dusk patrol]

What a standard to hold yourself to

[arctic talon]

At least we still get lore on Tau R&D lol

[spring cairn]

also the smaller you are the easier it is to keep things tidy

[dusk patrol]

That’s the other aspect

[arctic talon]

GW keeps on expanding Tau tech in lore

[dusk patrol]

Their big advantage is predicated on their size too

[arctic talon]

but tabletop is just like

💀

[spring cairn]

do tau eat something in particular ?

[arctic talon]

food

Water caste are vegetarians it would seem

[spring cairn]

I like to think they all have a goop with a caste based coloring

[storm jungle]

Asian food but sci-fi

[arctic talon]

We get some depictions of Tau food

[storm jungle]

their food-packs for fire warriors are literally instant-heatup noodles

[dusk patrol]

All we know is their music sucks

[storm jungle]

lol

[crystal forum]

i like how votaan will probably have chaos corrupted AI before tau

[arctic talon]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

And art iirc

[arctic talon]

tbf

none of the castes like

[spring cairn]

taus on the neet instant noodle regime

[arctic talon]

would get the chance to develop art beyond the ethereals

maybe the water caste ig

but it would all be for propaganda

[crystal forum]

those lanky bastards

[dusk patrol]

That’s air caste

[arctic talon]

Watercaste are like

[spring cairn]

they save all the protein for the fire caste

[arctic talon]

normal human proportions

have you seen a fire warrior

they're fucking built lol

[crystal forum]

god damn avatar mechanics

[arctic talon]

bro got all the fucking protein

[dusk patrol]

Earth caste are dwarves

[crystal forum]

the correct term is kickable

[dusk patrol]

Puntable

[celest dome]

If an Air caste appeared in front of me I'd grab the nearest thing to defend myself, the rest look "normal" enough

[spring cairn]

they need to be built smaller in order to be down to earth kinda guys

[crystal forum]

who knew having stunted legs made you walk funny

[arctic talon]

air caste used to be able to fucking glide

[dusk patrol]

Ok racist smh

[arctic talon]

The greater good does not approve of this

[celest dome]

Sizeist

[dusk patrol]

Well

It sorta does lol

[storm jungle]

the aircaste literally look like creepasta villains 💀

[spring cairn]

the earth caste would dominate the NBA

[celest dome]

All you lanky bastards will be cut down 🪓

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/oneshot-baller-balling-gif-5660299638255327224

[crystal forum]

-10000 greater good credits

[dusk patrol]

Government mandated breeding centers

Oh boy

[arctic talon]

I love eugenics

[dusk patrol]

Fuck for the greater good

[arctic talon]

can GW replace aun'va yet

I don't think a single person likes the fucking drone holo pope thing

[dusk patrol]

Ethereals probably do that Demolition Man sex

[crystal forum]

do they use the three seashells

[arctic talon]

I forgot vostroyans actually got modern art lol

[dusk patrol]

This guy doesn’t know about the seashells!

[arctic talon]

actually wait nvm

this isn't modern

its reused art

[spring cairn]

these mf should eugenic themselves into having 5 digits

[crystal forum]

they have a scoopable feature and that's forever going to be my headcannon

[dusk patrol]

Iirc the director said the future diets make poop super dry and simple

So you just pick it up

Everyone has those perfect no wipe poops

Magic

[spring cairn]

utopia achieved

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[crystal forum]

it's a distopia because stalone can't say bad words

[dusk patrol]

Well he can

[crystal forum]

if he wants toilet paper

[dusk patrol]

Ngl I’d give up basically all my freedoms if I had 90s Sandra Bullock as my future gf

At least it’s a dorky dystopia

[storm jungle]

Thats an old artwork

still great but not new

[celest dome]

Vostroyan are such a dripped regiment

[storm jungle]

that art does them good justice

[arctic talon]

I had a message under it realizing it wasn’t new

[storm jungle]

fuck you

also

"wait nvm this is reused art"

is a running theme recently

💀

[queen laurel]

Oi

You can only make

Big battle looking cool type of art multiple times

Before it gets stale

[outer wave]

What would you guys do if in the newest AoS books, someone says "What the Sigmar?" When they see a large gathering of enemies?

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pulcino-coltello-chick-killer-knife-gif-20663311

[queen laurel]

I'm going to blame you

[outer wave]

Let's goooo!!!

[queen laurel]

And send you in the dan abnett room

[outer wave]

The Abnett Den

Damn I don't wanna go back....

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah wolf quick question destruction factions excluding the Gargants, because well giants suck ass in the old world, how well would their old versions fair fighting them or you know how long can they last an assault against them

[outer wave]

Damn that's some hate for the old world giants

[queen laurel]

Of course they suck in total war and is basically just pieces of plot device you can get to use as a weapon in the old world

[outer wave]

I mean, I would've thought you meant in fluff

Which tbh they probably lose against gargants?

[arctic talon]

idk

[outer wave]

Gargants seem smart enough to make a basic culture anyway so

Giants don't seem that interested, which might be a testament to their intelligence but idk

[queen laurel]

You failed me

You will get hmm

The gav Thorpe special

[outer wave]

Sounds like a wrestling move

[rocky gale]

Hmmm the Hereticus Battleforce isn't awful

[queen laurel]

This is a mega gargant, this one specifically is a gate breaker

[outer wave]

His destiny was to break down the gates....

[queen laurel]

This is a bone grinder that they are planning to sell

In the old world these are the largest types of giants

You can see why i am not quite fond of them

[outer wave]

He's so gaunt

Well yeah it's an awful model that's clearly too old

I guess that and the TWW treatment of them does add up though

[queen laurel]

And expensive for the same amount of price range in the gw store you can get the giga chad king brodd

[outer wave]

AoS keeps winning

[rocky gale]

Like two Killteams, a BS squad, an Inquisitor, a Priest and a vehicle, it's unironically so much better at being a Sororitas Battleforce than the Sororitas Battleforce we got.

[arctic talon]

Greyfax gaming

Shame she’s the weakest of the 3 plastic inquisitors

[rocky gale]

New rules in the codex maybe?

[arctic talon]

Maybe

Draxus and Coteaz just outshine her unfortunately

She’s way too silver bullety into just psykers and characters

And she has a melee/fallback focused ability

[rocky gale]

Bruh their new Boardgame "Tyranid Attack" doesn't contain any Tyranid models

It's just 5 pushfit Marines

[rose thorn]

Don’t underestimate the kraken eaters! They use boats for air bubbles

[wraith quartz]

Hey

[queen laurel]

Bro what the hell is this monopoly ass looking motherfucking board game

[rocky gale]

Behold your new version of Space Hulk

Now with less effort than ever

[nocturne crest]

Space Hulk-lite.

[rocky gale]

Like it's not even Terminators

[wraith quartz]

Why make a board game if the space hulk exists...

[rocky gale]

Well Space Hulk was also a board game

[wraith quartz]

Oh

[rocky gale]

The difference is they used to put effort into it

[wraith quartz]

So this would be a cheaper version of the original

[rocky gale]

Like it was a proper boardgame with quite a lot of models and tile pieces

[queen laurel]

That actually looks like it has a lot of depth

Unlike the Tyranid attack one

[wraith quartz]

Ah

So...

[queen laurel]

And really Tyranid attack

may as well just called Tyranid assault

[nocturne crest]

I'm surprised there isn't a game based on space marine aspirants training.

[wraith quartz]

So....

Can I do my anecdote and begin my next big lore discussion??

That's if nobody else is busy this afternoon/evening.

[arctic talon]

This is like the Necrons attack board game, it’s meant to sell to people who don’t play the hobby

[rocky gale]

Ah I see

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty simplistic still but it’s fun

The space hulk box is meant for 40K hobbyists

[rocky gale]

So it's a small taste to get people addicted

[arctic talon]

It’s an insanely good box

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I wish GW would make a new space hulk box

It’s genuinely a very cool board game

[rocky gale]

You'd think the time was perfect for it

They have new ship terrain, new terminators, new genestealers

[outer wave]

Wait, how

[crystal forum]

you know what i just realized

40k's show will fit perfectly with amazon's overly gory style

i was thinking about how gore isn't as popular as it used to be then i remembered the boys and then i remembered 40k is getting an amazon show

simply amazing

[rose thorn]

Same way as how diving bells work

They also did it in jack sparrow

[outer wave]

Oh dragging them down with an air bubble and then using the bubble to breathe

Awesome!

[rose thorn]

Pirates of the Caribbean*

Yea

[outer wave]

Man Gargants are pretty cool guys

[crystal forum]

inb4 the bubble shell collapses due to the tremendous pressure under the ocean

(early diving was very dangerous)

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are cool

As a matter of fact the grand alliance of destruction is just that based

[rose thorn]

Also they work for any alliance

[queen laurel]

Yes like you can even somehow convince the goblins that you see that chaos group over there, you can do this hilarious prank of killing them

[rose thorn]

there are order goblins, they are called snotlings or Gnoblars

same species

and grots

they are all the same spcies

[queen laurel]

You mean the smallest goblins that are literally called after the things that are located on your nose and the ones that is considered helpers by ogres

I mean yeah

[rose thorn]

yea, all 3 are the same species just seperated by worship

[queen laurel]

What about hobgrots

[rose thorn]

those are differnet.

[queen laurel]

So the ones kruleboyz have are a offshoot

[rose thorn]

yea

[queen laurel]

Yeah now that i think about it is very fitting because Kruleboyz are orruks but it's better to say that they are an offshoot

And of course the grots they have would also be some kind of offshoot

[rose thorn]

it mgiht be because they are slightly chaos warped, or they are altered by swamp magic

[rose thorn]

no those are grots

[queen laurel]

No i'm talking about hob grots

You said they are different

[rose thorn]

Oh

soryr i thought you meant the normal grots

kruleboyz use both grots and hobgrots

[rose thorn]

funfact, their weapons and armor are made by chaos dwarves

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they do they even have them in cages

[queen laurel]

Yeah they use literal grenades and scrap knives

[rose thorn]

moat armor kruleboyz use is chaos made

[queen laurel]

Well considering they have disgusting swamp magic i can just hazard i guess that the chaos blessing left the armor because of how stinky they are

[rose thorn]

yeah

except when it doesnt

but we ignroe that

also tehre is

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah that

[rose thorn]

the sloggoth

[queen laurel]

A giant goblin

Oh wait no

It's an offshoot of the troll

[rose thorn]

yeah

these are on all 4s

i realize the off shotos might be doing a reference to to a specific species of animal let me check

[queen laurel]

I'm not familiar with krule boys because as you can see i am an iron jaw man and this right here is just my favorite

[rose thorn]

yeee

[outer wave]

True!!

[rose thorn]

its funny that iron jaws are terrible in the enviorments that kruleboyz thrive

and vise versa

so it natrually makes sense they woudl evolve the way they do

[queen laurel]

I do feel a bit sad for losing the bone splitterz but their range is literally older than dinosaur

[rose thorn]

yea we will probably see them in an edition o rtwo

[queen laurel]

Yeah revamped and made a bit better

[rose thorn]

i imagine htey would return with beastmen

[queen laurel]

Yeah Iron Jawz are classified as Gorruks

And krule boyz morruks

And the normal ork orruk

[rose thorn]

also tbh beastmen and bone splitterz designs were problematic if you read into it

bone splitterz more so

it was a sad but nessary lost

[queen laurel]

Their models need updates

And with beastmen in question

They get disrespected

On a local everyday basis

[rose thorn]

beastmen are way too important to the lore to be permanetly gone

[arctic talon]

beastmen are literally the fodder faction

💀

[rose thorn]

yeah but in the age of myth they were really important

they bascially caused all the conflict

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are the perfect cannon fodder goons

[rose thorn]

before the chaos gods arrived

if we get khorngores and nurgores it probably wouldnt be that big of a loss then

so then you can still run the cannon fodder

with out making a new faction

lore wise i mean

it owuld fill in a gap

[queen laurel]

In terms of attention and getting absolutely railroaded what's the beastmen faction of each grand order

Or grand alliance

I would say it is obvious that the Bonesplitterz get the least attention in destruction

[rose thorn]

yea bonesplitters were the least sold faction in the game

if we get them back id like to see them given teh aos flare

[queen laurel]

What about the grand alliance of death and order

What's there so called neglected faction

[rose thorn]

death it use to be flesh eaters

but now its porbably soulblight

[queen laurel]

Ah the ghouls

Oof vlad

I am so sorry

[rose thorn]

soulblight are really named character dependant

so you have ot like the named characters you run or why bother

[queen laurel]

More so than their old world counterparts?

[rose thorn]

yeah, there is i think only 3 generic vampire lord units

[queen laurel]

Damn

What about order

What's their beastmen equivalent

When it comes to attention given

And neglect

[rose thorn]

soulblight are about to get new unit tho

[rose thorn]

least liekd is fyreslayers

but most neglected is probably idoneth

but they are busted every edition at one point

so its fine

[queen laurel]

The elves and the dwarves take an L

Very rare that they are united on something

[rose thorn]

fyreslayers are one of my favorites so

[queen laurel]

Hey i like them too

You make runes to smack into your forehead then you have a fire headbutt

That's sick

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-explode-spongebob-explosion-gif-22938834

pov you fight the weeakest fyreslayer

funfact fyreslayers explode

they eat so much magic gold they are bascially living bombs if they are too weak

[queen laurel]

Isn't literally their body flowing with unstable fire magic

[rose thorn]

they use to have a rule that they expldoe

[rose thorn]

yeah

they eat (hammer int hteir skin) chunks of 2 dead fyre gods

fire*

that is just scattered everywhere

also they are merc core

and hav betrayed order many many times

so have their flying brothers

[queen laurel]

So is it just like an old fantasy where a duardin apparently feels dishonored and so he takes an oath by eating a chunk of a dead god and just becoming a fyreslayer

[rose thorn]

honro = more runes = more power = more honor

honor is a proof of strength

[queen laurel]

I'm asking about their recruitment practices

[rose thorn]

and strenght means you dont explode when getting a rune

[rose thorn]

oh nono

they have lodges

[queen laurel]

Is it just like an old world where if a dwarf commits something so bad he just has to suicide

[rose thorn]

nah

most are born into it

otehrs join ebcasue anger or money

[queen laurel]

Wait so being a dwarf that committed a crime doesn't immediately get sent into the explosion chamber

[rose thorn]

they have hunting lodges

[rose thorn]

yup

[queen laurel]

Holy s*** they are becoming more progressive

It only took the end of a world to happen but hey they did it

[rose thorn]

they are actually smart

if you commit a cirme you re just exiled

which honestly doent mean much

you can run exiles

[queen laurel]

Or they can either just put you in 50 hours a week in the mines

[rose thorn]

its more

exiled, do what you are already doing until we think you can come back

grimhold exile

[queen laurel]

Reject modernity become angry fire barbarian

[rose thorn]

doomhunters are the closest to the suicide thing

doomseekers*

except the difference is

the goal isnt to die

[queen laurel]

Kill the largest thing alive?

[rose thorn]

its to murder every single living thing of a specific race

[rose thorn]

oh my freinds died to orruks? I will go and kill every singel orruk until i feel like my friends deaths are repaid

or i die

[queen laurel]

Okay yeah doomseeker works

But the fact that you can put a iron jaw brute and a doomseeker

Together in a group

Is still very funny

[rose thorn]

lore wise yeah

if an orruk clan has enough urgold

they will work with them]

or you share a common enemy

fyreslayers have worked with chaos with no sign of chaos corruption

[queen laurel]

Do normal dwarves despise fyreslayers

[rose thorn]

meH

[queen laurel]

It depends huh

[rose thorn]

yeah

the dwarf factions dont hate each other and will support eachother unless one is pissed

at the other

[queen laurel]

Good good

They still have the kin part checked out

[rose thorn]

you use to be able to run them in the same army back in 9th

i mean

3rd

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah i forgot they have the airship dwarves too

The steampunk motherfuckers

[rose thorn]

if you ran Gotrek you can apply the rune buff to any duardin

[rose thorn]

yeah they are wonderful

overlods my beloved

no kings, no gods, only profit

[queen laurel]

So they're the merchants and opportunities

Specializing guys

[rose thorn]

they have a big as book that says all the rule

s

they were abendoned by their god

[queen laurel]

So these guys are basically the healthy chaos dwarves

[rose thorn]

so they harvest his breath to power all tehir tech

[queen laurel]

Because instead of worshiping something bad when they were abandoned they just decided yo we will become chads

[rose thorn]

the best way to summmerize their culture is

a kharadron wont accept a contract until they have read it 100 times

they are loyal to the contract to the letter

[queen laurel]

So let's say i'm an iron jaw mercenary and i decided to punch my way through one of their guilds and i decided to give them this thing that they want in promise for giving me some better scrap metal to punch into shape

[rose thorn]

they live in giant flying cities

[queen laurel]

Yeah let's just assume i somehow got there

[rose thorn]

you can do it with any fleet bascially

also if you break the contract you are bascially marked for death lmao

[queen laurel]

So let's just say i give them some rare jewels and they will give me better scrap?