#40k-lore-chat
green loom
crystal forum
100% intentional
shell mason
plush mason
i wish games like that had a non pvp mode
every fucking extraction looter/shooter is full of nothing but toxic SOBs that will hunt you down the second they spot you
snow fern
I feel that
plush mason
pvpve in general is a bad idea
thorn zenith
pvpve in general is a bad idea
yeah most of it is basically pvp with some flies and mosquitoes thrown in
my first experience with it was the division 2 and the whole pvpve thing was just a pvp playpen rather than anything meaningful
unlike the thrilling idea of the first game with big area allowing less prepared pve players to avoid the sweats and extract far away from the action
celest dome
From the article:
“The Goblin-Hewer is another interesting returning unit”, says JTY. “It doesn’t come with Malakai Makaisson, because he hasn’t been born yet. But we delved into the lore and discovered that Malakai might not have invented everythinghe says he did…
Next time some say that Malakai invented the Thunderbarge
plush mason
yeah most of it is basically pvp with some flies and mosquitoes thrown in
yeah, pvpve ends up having the worst of both game modes
the pve is little more than an annoyance unless you run into a big threat and the pvp is just a gank/zerg fight
tough haven
unlike the thrilling idea of the first game with big area allowing less prepared...
So far I actually like how dungeonborne handles pvppve
Some of the enemies actually feel threatening, and most classes have AOE moved to clear chaff quickly
Anyways, anyone have a video or a way to find all the brawler specialist/elite kill voicelines?
I’m trying to steal his character and port it to another game, so I’m trying to find inspiration
I have all the interaction between characters lines
arctic talon
yeah, pvpve ends up having the worst of both game modes
PVPVE is me doing a destiny flawless raid while half the fireteam is trying to cause physics related deaths to the other half
plush mason
lol
dusk patrol
PVPVE is random queuing Helldiver difficulty in HD2
tough haven
Yup
tough haven
Anyways, anyone have a video or a way to find all the brawler specialist/elite k...
I can find them on YouTube but they’re all jumbled together with random lines
winter vessel
PVPVE is me doing a destiny flawless raid while half the fireteam is trying to c...
PVPVE is just the Dark Zone in Division 1 and 2, where everyone is a darn bullet sponge and I get paranoid extracting with the loot i gathered.
arctic talon
Division dark zone goes straight ass
winter vessel
I don't even know what the plot is anymore, which is on track with Ubisoft and them half-assing their games on launch
tough haven
I hear people talking about the “deep warp” every now and again, is it anything? Or is it one of those things that’s just vaguely mentioned in a codex once
celest dome
Isn't it the Warp outside of the Milkyway ?
arctic talon
I hear people talking about the “deep warp” every now and again, is it anything?...
vaguely mentioned codex thing
arctic talon
Isn't it the Warp outside of the Milkyway ?
The warp isn't the same plane of reality
celest dome
I know but there is something like thaf
tough haven
Isn't it the Warp outside of the Milkyway ?
More like parallel to it, outside it, within it, intertwined with it and completely unrelated all at once
storm jungle
Isn't it the Warp outside of the Milkyway ?
Its not
mostly due to the void-space between galaxies being so empty
celest dome
But isn't that usually called the Deep Warp
storm jungle
the Deep Warp is just a point in the warp thats considered the apocalyptic center of it
it doesnt have anything to do with the galactic-gap between other galaxies
rose thorn
the Deep Warp is just a point in the warp thats considered the apocalyptic cente...
Unlike the regular warp of course
storm jungle
celest dome
Old World cope ?
About AoS deserving good video games and that even if TWW1 and Vt1 had been released much earlier that FB would have been killed off
rose thorn
these people never even read or seen any aos lore
its quite sad
how are the mortal realms less interesting then just literal europe
green loom
Old World cope ?
What subreddit are you on lol
Also I feel like the issue with AoS games is that they're still kinda feeling the setting out tbh
dusk patrol
I like the Old World more personally but part of that is it feels like one proper world and you can track where people are more on it. AoS is designed differently
It’s also very different in theme
It’s more fantastical
Different strokes deal
green loom
40k and Fantasy games in general are kinda lightning-in-a-bottle effects
Like you had a heap of total garbage for every dawn of war or vermintide
dusk patrol
I like some of the lore of AoS but it doesn’t all do it for me
green loom
a good chunk of the older games popularity rn is also just straight up retroactive post TTS and COVID spike
dusk patrol
Total Warhammer and VT let people see how cool the setting was
rose thorn
AOS is basically if all myth is true
dusk patrol
It’s not complicated
rose thorn
Extremely open for homebrew and new ideas
dusk patrol
I would like a tide game or something good set in AoS eventually
green loom
AoS lore isn't as readily accessible and is far more tabletop centric than 40k I think?
rose thorn
AoS lore isn't as readily accessible and is far more tabletop centric than 40k I...
Huh???
Oh
Sorry I read that wrong
green loom
40k has a full on marketable setting right, AoS' setting is still in a sort of fledgling state, even if the tabletop is doing well
dusk patrol
It definitely doesn’t have nearly as much stuff
rose thorn
It’s just evenly spread
dusk patrol
They’re not
green loom
Note I'm not calling it bad
rose thorn
Yea
green loom
It's still a fledgling setting though, is what I mean
rose thorn
It does but it’s also old
dusk patrol
It’s just not as much to sink your teeth into
green loom
And it's only now starting to settle properly
dusk patrol
Some of its good
green loom
I think i'm trying to say AoS is still being "realized"
dusk patrol
It makes interesting additions sometimes
rose thorn
Hang on
dusk patrol
But not everyone is gonna buy every new campaign and lore book unfortunately and it matters more to do that for AoS
rose thorn
okay back
so the aos lore is muchmore venly divided across the alliances and factions
dusk patrol
The main complaint I’d say tabletop wise is there’s almost way too many big set piece characters. But it’s not a huge deal. I’m looking forward to the Stormcast updates
rose thorn
and unliek 40k the battle tomes get alot of lore updates
each editionis basically a new era
so you have to be looking at lore through a buncgh of different persetives to get the full deal
in dawn bringer bascially everyone got free to access short stories giving new ideas and lore updates
the only issue is that each edition focuses on a realm or two
3rd was mainly ghur
2nd was chamon
1.5 was setting thingssup
but mainly aqshy and ghyran
2nd also introduced alot of factions so their relams got developed
dusk patrol
The issue primarily is they’re often properly introducing factions with new lore updates, like the Flesh Eater Courts didn’t have a ton of stuff until recently with Ushoran and more updates.
rose thorn
oh yeah, tbh people though they were on the chopping block for a while and they were only amde of old world models
dusk patrol
I’d argue they’re still very lacking
green loom
Or the dawnbringer crusades really fleshing out cities
dusk patrol
Yeah like it’s nice they’re adding stuff with every update but they’re also like
Actually explaining and properly giving factions lore too
rose thorn
yea
dusk patrol
Where before they had extremely little
rose thorn
also aos is a really enw setting
dusk patrol
If any really
green loom
Hence what I meant by the setting isn't fully realized yet
dusk patrol
Yeah
rose thorn
Hence what I meant by the setting isn't fully realized *yet*
ah i thought you meatn that in a different way
dusk patrol
40k has its major factions explained mostly with a lot of characters a long time ago
Votann being the exception but that’s a whole thing
green loom
40k and Fantasy both have a LOT of things to build games out of
green loom
I'd hope and imagine we will get more AOS games down the line, but the big issue with it so far has been the games for it more or less just being "Okay we need stormcast to fight X"
Just glorified marketing, at least moreso than usual
rose thorn
stormcasts not being as big as space mariens really helped the setting tbh
green loom
Like there's some proper potential for a nice RTS or Last Train Home esque game with a Dawnbringer crusade
But that's all still new
rose thorn
so its like, you cant erally make an aos game with out including alot
honeslty the way id make an aos game is jsut go for teh skirmish game route, you control like 5 dudes
(this totally isnt bsaed off of underworlds)
soft thunder
Unlike the regular warp of course
there's something about imperial warp travel only skimming the surface or shallow parts of the warp
rose thorn
im gonna be honest im extremely biased, aos is my favorite setting next to fallout
so my arguments are form the persepctive of a 'i read as much lore as i can'
aos, fallout, and endless
storm jungle
AoS is definitely the more accessible setting from a tabletop point too tbh
rose thorn
AoS is definitely the more accessible setting from a tabletop point too tbh
Yeee, it does the ‘you will like 3 things and no care about everything else’s
Which is peak design
vagrant narwhal
I wonder if there's ever been a case of Loyalist Gene-Stealers. Would be funny if they were thought to be abhumans
storm jungle
Genestealers cant be loyalists
they are quite literally mentally and genetically brainwashed
outer wave
None that can get away from the hive mind conducted by the patriarch?
Actually how does long range indoctrination work (with GSC neophytes being shipped to other planets) if they're away from the patriarch?
storm jungle
Basically just a psychic connection spread by nearby high ranking cult members and more genetic-obedience/loyalty.
Once you become a genestealer cultist theres no getting out
its only when the hivemind actively snips control that it could happen but thats always been during planetary invasions' climax, otherwise even a single cult member thats been away from a destroyed world will want to reproduce and spread the genestealer curse
because you are still very much actively under the thrall of the hivemind minor or big
outer wave
I see so it's only really there to indoctrinate the parents and any person that's outside the GSC "family"
Otherwise it's all genetic
storm jungle
Genetic and psychic yeah
crystal forum
i still dont get the whole archivist guy's sepcies
storm jungle
Who?
storm jungle
?
crystal forum
with centaur like body
storm jungle
Zoats?
crystal forum
in blackstone fortress
crystal forum
are they enslaved by nids
storm jungle
They were engineered by the tyranids to be a slave race before they broke free
the explanation is quite literally "somehow they broke free"
crystal forum
so they're the only actual sentient nids species or something
storm jungle
Its basically like uh
crystal forum
like how does that work
outer wave
We're never getting a Zoats army huh
storm jungle
like how does that work
if we made like a subspecies of humans
basically to be workers
and they broke free and became their own thing
thats more or less the case, idk how else to really put it
crystal forum
so are gaunts a subspecies
outer wave
Humonculus
crystal forum
i dont fucking understand
outer wave
It's Tyranid Homunculi
storm jungle
Gaunts directly fucking come from tyranids
crystal forum
why do nids need a slave species
outer wave
"Hey, the nids won't eat you if you give them those cool moons instead."
storm jungle
anyway basically the deal is
- Goofy race from 1st edition
- Came back with bad explanation since they basically make no snese
crystal forum
i didnt know nids were that old
storm jungle
- Now they exist
storm jungle
i didnt know nids were that old
Nids have been around for a long time
outer wave
GSC were like 2nd edition?
crystal forum
also crazy that they're confirmed to still exist with the archivist guy
outer wave
They've been around for a while, though not as they are now
storm jungle
Yeah its basically a "wojak point" miniature callback
outer wave
God I love when you make the aliens long headed humanoids
Gotta be one of my favorite genders
storm jungle
Some got better glow-ups with 10th edition
crystal forum
old 40k looked like the kind of shit i'd buy in a dollar store as a kid
storm jungle
now its shit you'd buy as a kid but expensive-er
crystal forum
second morgage here we go
storm jungle
but anyway yeah thats basically the case with Zoats
they entirely exist so you can point and go "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS"
anything else with their old lore is too goofy to bring up or is just ignored
sharp pollen
not a day without talking about jeen settlers
storm jungle
👖
crystal forum
they entirely exist so you can point and go "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS"
the meme that represents 40k as a whole
also god damn dilara im so fucking jealous that you live somewhere with good food
i will not elaborate
crystal forum
so fucking jealous 😤
storm jungle
rose thorn
I wonder if there's ever been a case of Loyalist Gene-Stealers. Would be funny i...
Genestealers have protected planets they planned to take over, but that’s less loyal and more not wanting to be killed by orks
If I play in a Warhammer 40k campaign I’d want to be an enslaved kelermorph tbh
soft thunder
None that can get away from the hive mind conducted by the patriarch?
The new genestealer techpriest in Necromunda Hive Secundus, hermeticus the 2nd or sumthin, is a good example of this. He was looking to create a cure or vaccine for the genestealer disease. The tech priest instantly became brainwashed when creating a neural link to the patriarch's mind to research the mental aspect of the genestealer virus, after failing for years to have any progress on the biological vaccine/cure.
Hive Secundus an necromunda are goated 40k content
also ya zoats
outer wave
The new genestealer techpriest in Necromunda Hive Secundus, hermeticus the 2nd o...
Bruh he should've had contingency plans in cases that was going to happen
soft thunder
nah he did it in secret after all his underlings told him not to
and didn't tell his Inquisitorial overseers. Did it in secret cuz they would say no
but ya that's why the greatest hive on necromunda got nuked
outer wave
Oof
arctic talon
Also he’s dead now probably
dusk patrol
I think they said he got executed by the Inquisition yeah
arctic talon
The new creature is great
rose thorn
oh hey, i jsut learnd old world sold terribly
like
original release
https://youtube.com/shorts/USwQfiZcYcw?si=Mi46LWMjn52cHYxp
I have no proof of this claim but ive been hearing for years fantasy battles sold terribly
soft thunder
Also he’s dead now probably
I think the patriarch in necromunda's hive secundus reformed him (somehow), hence the name "Hermiatus, the second", but ya the Inquisition hunted him down and assasinated* him somewhere off world somewhere I think.
arctic talon
thats why I said new creature
not exactly sure wtf hermiatus the secondis
but he's cool so
rose thorn
The coolest Biophagus model around
soft thunder
I know nothing except he looks cool af
celest dome
What subreddit are you on lol
Warhammerfantasy
rose thorn
Warhammerfantasy
first mistake
celest dome
It's usually fine. Not too many AoS hater over there. Still are some but not the majority
young pecan
I just saw a lore short on YouTube that said most lasguns could tune the usage of their charge packs to either have less but higher power shots or more but lower power shots
Wonder if we could get a lasgun with that kind of mechanic as the special
celest dome
Yes all lasgun have that in lore. Even those we have
But I doubt they will have that reflect in game for balance issues
young pecan
It did frame it as all but I didn't really think it meant all all
That's kinda cool
But yeah true, putting it in game would probably just be a weird helbore
celest dome
Still am annoyed that Lucius should have been the infantry. And Accattran the Helbore
arctic talon
All of our lasguns ingame should be cosmetic differences primarily
queen laurel
All of our lasguns ingame should be cosmetic differences primarily
Yeah it's really funny that the kantrael could have like the same output as like the weakest light las gun in the game
fallen plaza
celest dome
All of our lasguns ingame should be cosmetic differences primarily
Same thing could be said about Autogun too
rocky gale
It's usually fine. Not too many AoS hater over there. Still are some but not the...
Yea it's better than the Warhammer Old World Reddit, it gets cope posts weekly claiming that GW is going to dumpster AoS any day now
queen laurel
Yea it's better than the Warhammer Old World Reddit, it gets cope posts weekly c...
They seriously say that
After the baller skaven releases and the amazing cinematic may I add?
rocky gale
They were saying it throughout all the Dawnbringer stuff, when all the factions were getting reveals and big new centrepiece models like Ushoran
queen laurel
They were saying it throughout all the Dawnbringer stuff, when all the factions ...
I've seen some delusional s*** in my life but really
Like they literally can just look at the warhammer community website and see the amazing stuff aos is getting
And then they are saying that it's going to get cooked
All right now that is even more hilarious
raven stone
Yea it is one thing to dislike lore or design decisions
But quite another of level of delusional thinking to believe GW would collapse overnight
By this point GW is like the Imperium itself: rotting, fading glory but never dying.
leaden pilot
Isn't GW literally doing better than ever now? lol
raven stone
To be fair, financially the numbers are sound, yes
But I speak from the position of, well, them never being able to get the rules done right for 40k
Lots of other smaller competing system out there have much better balanced rule sets and quicker mechanics
leaden pilot
Oh, okay
Never played tabletop
Though I'm probably going to get on that plastic crack soon
raven stone
My personal advice: unless you are willing to sell out a liver and some, do not go in with a committed competitive mindset.
GW took online rules to mean
"Oh we can treat our rules like it is a computer game DLC"
And the point values just...continually fluctuates endlessly.
leaden pilot
At first I want to get just into painting and collecting
And I think that now I won't go with any particular army, just some squads of things I think look cool
raven stone
GW miniatures are definitely great for painting and collecting for personal joy, yes
queen laurel
And I think that now I won't go with any particular army, just some squads of th...
You can try finding the boxes to other online stores because the actual gw shop
The prices there would make you wish your kidney was capable of regenerating
leaden pilot
I'm gonna be buying from a hobby shop near me, it's gonna save me about 10 USD on a box of Primaris Marines alone
storm jungle
Isn't GW literally doing better than ever now? lol
They rose to the top tiers during Covid
now its losing that momentum atm
young pecan
Iron Hands forgetting the entire point of the saying that they spam and devoting their bodies to the wrong interpretation is kind of funny
young pecan
Lo-Fi Gothic Choirs to pray to the God Emperor to
dusk patrol
Iron Hands forgetting the entire point of the saying that they spam and devoting...
They’re aware of the origins and Ferrus’s thoughts on augmetics they just don’t care
He’s a figure to revere to them but he had major flaws and he shouldn’t be held as infallible in their eyes
rose thorn
Hey what’s everyone’s thoughts on the spyre hunters?
celest dome
new or old ?
rose thorn
New
celest dome
Like the Yeld and Jakara
Dislike the Helmawr one
dusk patrol
They’re cool
storm jungle
Hey what’s everyone’s thoughts on the spyre hunters?
Pretty cool and better than the goofy ass older models
rose thorn
I’m not sure what I think of their aesthetic
celest dome
Want to see the Matriarch/Patriarch so much
storm jungle
I’m not sure what I think of their aesthetic
They are suppose to be alien/foreign tech
dusk patrol
I tend to like most Necromunda stuff
rose thorn
I think they would look better in a bright color
celest dome
Main scheme really doesn't put good enpheasis on the models
rose thorn
The really bright one
rose thorn
Main scheme really doesn't put good enpheasis on the models
Yeha I can’t read it at all tbh lmao
The model
celest dome
This one I think even with good paint scheme doesn't look good
Why did they even do that to Haera 
rose thorn
I like the comedically evil rich scifi setting vibe
storm jungle
Because shes a ambitious bitch
rose thorn
Like Lex crop
storm jungle
LOL
Lex Corp is a great comparison actually
WAIT ITS LITERALLY LUTHOR'S SUIT COLOR TOO
rose thorn
YWA
celest dome
Because shes a ambitious bitch
But her old Mini was so great
storm jungle
But her old Mini was so great
We live in a sub-setting where plot actually progresses unlike 40k-slop
queen laurel
Oh fuckin
storm jungle
you will take it or leave it
queen laurel
Dammit
storm jungle
celest dome
storm jungle
Lmaoo NOOO
queen laurel
Now it is extra funny
celest dome
Do you think we will see Matriarch/Patriarch return ?
rose thorn
Do you think we will see Matriarch/Patriarch return ?
Oh yeah unless they literally kill every genestealer on the planet
storm jungle
Do you think we will see Matriarch/Patriarch return ?
Absolutely
median star
You think they still got cows in 40k
queen laurel
Do you think we will see Matriarch/Patriarch return ?
Don't they literally have a line of successors for that kind of stuff
queen laurel
You think they still got cows in 40k
Yes
probably not as prevalent
As grox beef has been the main stay
median star
Think an orc and a cow could get along
celest dome
Don't they literally have a line of successors for that kind of stuff
Meant the Spyrer armour
queen laurel
Meant the Spyrer armour
I thought you were talking about the gene stealers
As their leaders are also called that if i remember
rose thorn
But her old Mini was so great
‘What old minis- DEAR LORD WHAT IS THAT’
young pecan
They’re aware of the origins and Ferrus’s thoughts on augmetics they just don’t ...
In Deeds Endure in this passage between a Salamander and Iron Hand it looks more like they just forgor'd the end and meaning of the saying entirely and that their view was warped by that
Is it that they don't care even if they're corrected or made it out of their own initiative?
dusk patrol
I’m aware of the passage
celest dome
‘What old minis- DEAR LORD WHAT IS THAT’
dusk patrol
They were very aware of Ferrus’s dislike for augmetics, they just didn’t care because it made them more effective
rose thorn
rose thorn
I love that model, I just wish there was an actual way you can run it lmao
queen laurel
Hawkman looking mf
rose thorn
Besides outcasts
dusk patrol
Ferrus himself allowed them because during the GC era it did make them stronger and more effective, he was planning on purging the reliance on it after the GC was over
queen laurel
dusk patrol
Which obviously didn’t happen
median star
Ferrus himself allowed them because during the GC era it did make them stronger ...
Think it even said he was going go try and get rid of his own iron hands to help prov the point or something aswell
dusk patrol
He planned on stripping the Necrodermis from his arms yes
Even if it would weaken him, after it wasn’t needed
median star
So i think i remember that someone still has his skull does anyone still have his hands or
dusk patrol
The Iron Hands believe because he failed and because there’s only war in the future that his judgement was an error
dusk patrol
So i think i remember that someone still has his skull does anyone still have hi...
They have it on Medusa
queen laurel
Ferrus himself allowed them because during the GC era it did make them stronger ...
Wait his arm was made of necrodermis?
dusk patrol
Yes
queen laurel
And he's the only human well demigod human thingy that had the ability to basically use it on his skin
dusk patrol
It was also bound to his body and was within him beyond his arms to some degree
median star
We bring back rogal dorn and give him one of manus hands and 2 for 1 rerun
dusk patrol
It caused him extreme chronic pain and it’s implied he was maybe dying from it too but we don’t know
It’s why his eyes are silver
dusk patrol
And he's the only human well demigod human thingy that had the ability to basica...
That whole thing isn’t clear, we don’t properly know why it bound to him like that
It seems his primacy physiology is what allowed it to happen and for him to survive
queen laurel
That whole thing isn’t clear, we don’t properly know why it bound to him like th...
Of course we f****** don't
dusk patrol
He never ever actually clarified the story of how he got them
queen laurel
We have this interesting things as usual that we have no answers to
dusk patrol
And he allowed conflicting accounts
median star
That whole thing isn’t clear, we don’t properly know why it bound to him like th...
Didnt he kill some necron type creature with his hands and thats what caused it
dusk patrol
He liked their to be a legend to it and for it to he unclear
queen laurel
And he allowed conflicting accounts
Now i believe leman russ that he is more boring than the fist primarch
dusk patrol
Didnt he kill some necron type creature with his hands and thats what caused it
He killed Asirnoth but it’s not clear if it was what gave him the arms or something else
The legend is he drowned it in magma and it melted onto his arms
But he implies to a remembrancer that’s not how it happened really
median star
Inb4 some necron lord just went damn you know what would be rlly funny
dusk patrol
Medusa has some wild stuff with Necron constructs and DAoT tech horrors running about
And Ferrus was able to interface with Necron tombs on Medusa too
dusk patrol
Now i believe leman russ that he is more boring than the fist primarch
He definitely wasn’t a big talker
queen laurel
He definitely wasn’t a big talker
Well he is the tech savvy of the primarchs and apparently being smart with technology makes you boring so that's that
dusk patrol
He was more interested in actions over words and just doing his job
median star
Maybe he accidentally quarter way stumbled into some sort of bio transference machine and thats what caused the whole metal deal
dusk patrol
He kept some interesting journals but he never let anyone see them until after he died
queen laurel
He kept some interesting journals but he never let anyone see them until after h...
So in some funny coincidence he is closer to a pariah
green loom
dusk patrol
This is a little write up on the area with most of the worst stuff for Medusa
Also this is a fun passage
tough haven
We have this interesting things as usual that we have no answers to
GW providing lore on boring shit but nothing on interesting stuff
storm jungle
Lmao taking that one
rose thorn
Lmao taking that one
Same
storm jungle
queen laurel
<:SigmarAhegao:666769912743591937>
what in god's name is that abomination
rose thorn
Age of Sickbars
outer wave
Age of Slugbars
spring cairn
<:SigmarAhegao:666769912743591937>
crystal forum
what the fuck is a kilometer
storm jungle
its a meter with a kilo
outer wave
1000 meters
fallen plaza
2187.2266 Cubit for you Americans out there
raven stone
Re: Ferrus Manus
Late, but I thought he got his Necrodermis hands
From killing a C'tan on Medusa?
(Or at least, an implied C'tan)
snow fern
He 1v1'd a ctan?
dusk patrol
From killing a C'tan on Medusa?
No
It was likely a uh
One sec let me find it
It’s mentioned in the Infinite and the Divine
Basically an giant machine they’d drop on worlds to conquer them
It’s description reads like a bigger version of this
fallen plaza
I loved the look of the model on these
raven stone
It’s description reads like a bigger version of this
Ah thanks
dusk patrol
It’s described as a giant worm shape which digs through the ground and stuff, his pod landing disturbed and awoke it and he had this innate feeling that he had fucked up and needed to right the wrong and stop it
So he chased after it for awhile right out of the pod
And eventually slayed it
It seems something with how he did that gave him the arms but it’s not clear exactly what happened to cause that
Then he just wandered Medusa and slayed monsters and shit, helped the tribes a bit
Learned stuff
fallen plaza
He had a cool model that still holds up
If i had him though i would definitely repose him or get his limited edition stand that pairs him with fulgrim
hallow saddle
In Deeds Endure in this passage between a Salamander and Iron Hand it looks more...
they do know the rest of the saying in M41, it's briefly talked about in jonathan green's Iron Hands (its a relatively old book from 2004 or something though)
storm jungle
Nobody even remembers 2004 so its fine
hallow saddle
or at least some iron fathers remember what it was about anyway
hallow saddle
Nobody even remembers 2004 so its fine
that is true...
hallow saddle
yeah it was fun
storm jungle
dusk patrol
dusk patrol
Unhinged moment: Suggesting Soul Drinkers for people wanting to get into 40k for the first time
storm jungle
Its a fun series but not beginner friendly at all lol
fallen plaza
I love the weird art on this
storm jungle
Its made by that one fucking uh
photoshop artist dude
Sullivan something, his art is crazy
It goes between "So bad its good" to "epic"
fallen plaza
Some of his proportion choices remind me of this old art of abaddon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162821226104881202/1173818599585095727/image0.jpg?ex=669e7302&is=669d2182&hm=0ae012632156071fbfa73d43bd5a4ad23828c7a1c9b5dedf34b87b90eb626112&
crystal forum
Unhinged moment: Suggesting Soul Drinkers for people wanting to get into 40k for...
best space marine series
because they all die
spring cairn
second pic is awesome but this is dogshit
looking at this is probably what it's like to get brain blasted
storm jungle
LOL
soft thunder
This one I think even with good paint scheme doesn't look good
she's wearing a covenant phantom dropship as a hat vibes
storm jungle
OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT THATS LITERALLY A SPECTRE
crystal forum
halo confirmed in 40k
actually why the fuck isn't there a tabletop halo yet
oh wait because microsoft sucks
storm jungle
Not really any demand for it
Halo is a videogame franchise first and foremost
not gaybletop
dusk patrol
Gaylo: Combat Slaaaayy Queen
dusk patrol
Nah
snow fern
I mean you could just play Halo Wars 1 I suppose, Captain Cutter puts out ODSTs like they're god damn conscripts
dusk patrol
Mega blocks
crystal forum
Halo is a videogame franchise first and foremost
so was deep rock
crystal forum
that's mean
shadow plover
actually why the fuck isn't there a tabletop halo yet
there is though
sorry misread
wait
no I didn't
yeah there is one
well there will be one
I'll definitely pick up a couple models just to paint them
viral halo
actually why the fuck isn't there a tabletop halo yet
There is
plush mason
btw the new ad-ric podcast of fantasy has launched, they have confirmed the plan is to start with fantasy then move into end times then age of sigmar
leaden pilot
Considering that I think they're gonna do it like Detective Ridiculous, which was iirc once a month it's gonna take them ages to reach AoS
plush mason
yeah
crystal forum
I'll definitely pick up a couple models just to paint them
is it just me or do the minis look like they're made from a single piece
shadow plover
they're by mantic games so they probably are
afaik they're usually like 1-3 pieces
actually
no
they're on sprues I think
crystal forum
looks cheap
shadow plover
depends on the kit
fallen plaza
100£ for an entire set
crystal forum
the set has like 6 models
fallen plaza
Thats the recon edition
shadow plover
This is what you get for the hundo
arctic talon
I’m worried if it’s PVC
fallen plaza
Its like 20 models for a 100£
crystal forum
i'm literally about to start being in charge of purchasing molds for something i created in my company so soon i'll be able to tell how economical this shit is
what a career turn i have taken
celest dome
How did it happen
fallen plaza
I could have never guess from you
crystal forum
i created a model from scratch with help from my boss and after printing a couple of them every department of my company wants some, including sales who want it to be an actual product of the company. since i work in such a small company i'm left entirely in charge of the transfer to injection molded (i have 0 experience)
arctic talon
Flashpoint feels like it’s meant to compete with those games more to me
fallen plaza
i created a model from scratch with help from my boss and after printing a coupl...
What are they if i might ask
celest dome
Atm I'm doing HVAC studies for a client, as well as cabling an electrical panel
crystal forum
What are they if i might ask
we make small electronic parts for satellites and such. i made a sort of container that can hold them easily so the production side has a much easier time moving around batches of them
took me months to make the model lol
fallen plaza
I see
crystal forum
i have a passion for this sort of stuff so hopefully it opens a lot of doors for me to be in charge of all of this
certainly helps to have a really cool boss who pushes us to innovate and develop our ideas
fallen plaza
Thats honestly sick
celest dome
So Jay work in the Satelites industry
Dilara is an Architect
I'm in Energy and automation
What about you 2 @fallen plaza and @arctic talon
fallen plaza
Im currently in college studying chinese
Not particularly interesting but its what i do
crystal forum
bing chilling
celest dome
Like Chinese language ? Traductor or something like that ?
fallen plaza
I do also 3d model in my spare time but i have lost motivation for it
fallen plaza
Like Chinese language ? Traductor or something like that ?
Language yeah
fallen plaza
Its not so bad when you get the gist of it
arctic talon
So Jay work in the Satelites industry
Dilara is an Architect
I'm in Energy and a...
Computer science, I’m not graduated yet.
I got an internship my freshman’s and sophomore year at least but
industry is literally on fire lul
crystal forum
about time you computer fuckers got taken down a peg
arctic talon
about time you computer fuckers got taken down a peg
I’m going to turn your computer into a bomb
crystal forum
looks better than anything i can make in blender
crystal forum
scythes, the most anime ass weapon you could ever include in your fantasy game
plush mason
so the scola where psykers are trained and graded, is it just on Terra or is there other ones on various worlds?
rocky gale
Multiple different ones throughout the Galaxy
fallen plaza
looks better than anything i can make in blender
Made it in 3d builder
celest dome
Multiple different ones throughout the Galaxy
Isn't it supposed to be only on Terra. But books have had places other than Terra do it ?
Like conflicting lore or something
arctic talon
honestly I'd just consider it as being everywhere at this point
most modern and even older lore depicts Psykers being trained not on terra
young pecan
most modern and even older lore depicts Psykers being trained not on terra
I might be underestimating 40k transportation but to me it feels like having every psyker sanctioned on Terra sounds like a logistics nightmare or impossible anyway
arctic talon
Yeah no it’s absolutely a nightmare
young pecan
scythe mentioned
I thought you meant the book and I got excited for a second 
young pecan
Yeah no it’s absolutely a nightmare
And also incredibly dangerous for Terra's existence considering the testing
median star
So like when the black ships get to terra what exactly is it theyre doing to the pyskers to siphon them to the emperor industrial grade pyskic food processor or
arctic talon
So like when the black ships get to terra what exactly is it theyre doing to the...
They get tested first. Then they get separated into groups for sacrifice, astropaths or as battle psykers
median star
Yea i mean like hows the sacrifice go down tho they just kill them straight up or juice em or
young pecan
Yea i mean like hows the sacrifice go down tho they just kill them straight up o...
I remember seeing a quote from one of the books they are connected psychically with the other psykers during the ritual unless it was just that one's experience, which it is kind of a whole ritual to my knowledge
Definitely not an industrial meat grinder though
median star
So they just tube them all together some funny words get said andthen they just get the soul sucked out of them or something
young pecan
Dunno, sounds sorta accurate though
It is also definitely not a peaceful passing for the psykers either
arctic talon
Yea i mean like hows the sacrifice go down tho they just kill them straight up o...
They get kept in a pretty nice place until they're called up for sacrifice
in which that case its time for an incredibly painful death
young pecan
Considering the AdMech handles the throne's technology it can be assumed they are hooked up in some way
I tried looking for an in-depth answer and all I found was that AdMech oversee the throne's condition so
Yeah probably brutally efficient and with psychic-binding technology somehow(?)
dusk patrol
It takes a long time for them to die
The 1000 per day isn’t everyday really it’s an average burnout rate
How long they last varies, and there’s a lot more than 1000 hooked up at once
They do hype them up as giving their lives and souls for the ultimate purpose they can so I guess at least some probably die feeling like they’re sacrificing themselves for a good reason
But it’s an insanely painful and awful way to die still
And they’re not wrong at least that their deaths are for an extremely important cause so there’s that at least
modern tapir
Funny thought. I know the custodians play games to see how far they can breach Terra's defenses. Has there ever been an incident where they used their authority to get an assassin from one of the branches to play with them?
dusk patrol
I can’t recall an example like that but it’s not unlikely
Assassins would be an obvious threat to the palace potentially
young pecan
They do hype them up as giving their lives and souls for the ultimate purpose th...
I assume this is also secondly that the sense of purpose helps them to last longer and bear more of the emperor's burden
dusk patrol
It probably doesn’t hurt, the process really fucking sucks so anything they can cling onto is something
amber night
Im currently in college studying chinese
are you working on mandarin specifically, and the simplified version or the whole history of chinese language which will take decades if not life times to understand as a foreigner?
fallen plaza
are you working on mandarin specifically, and the simplified version or the whol...
Just the language, mandarin specifically
amber night
the simplified version of it?
sorry to interrupt, does anyone know are there updates on potential solutions for the golden throne to be failing ?
fallen plaza
The most commonly used one, yes.
nocturne crest
So odd question, but do the Grey Knights have Primaris in their ranks yet?
fallen plaza
No reason not to, there models though? probably wont get one for a long time
amber night
The most commonly used one, yes.
how you liking it? any rice bunny yet?
fallen plaza
how you liking it? any rice bunny yet?
Its going along okay, its only my first year
amber night
Its going along okay, its only my first year
sounds good , what made you interested in taking mandarin?
fallen plaza
sounds good , what made you interested in taking mandarin?
I had interest in becoming a translator as there is demand here since chinese people have moved here to start up factories in remotes areas
amber night
an logical and pragmatic approach, seems good
fallen plaza
Supposedly it is
fallen plaza
Oh its nothing, im just hoping it doesn’t change by the time i graduate
amber night
Oh its nothing, im just hoping it doesn’t change by the time i graduate
worst case scenario, you always can work in China
assuming if the shit doesnt hit the fan
fallen plaza
yup, thats the good thing
amber night
quick segway, do you know whether or not there was any update to repairing the golden throne ?
fallen plaza
That lore hasnt been followed up in years
amber night
jeez
fallen plaza
As far as i can tell its retconned
amber night
i googled ,seems like GW gave it more time in lore , but its still gonna fail
and like many others who participated in this discussion, there is no way it will happen or even it did , it wont completely destroyed the current landscape
money talks
dusk patrol
quick segway, do you know whether or not there was any update to repairing the g...
The latest lore is where that came from
We don’t know
amber night
do you think its a hint of potential repairment?
dusk patrol
It’s not clear if it’s gonna fail or if it’ll keep going
Spoiler: It’s not gonna fail
Because that would end the setting largely
fallen plaza
That is new? I thought it he was referring to the dark eldar alliance one
dusk patrol
That is new enough lore
The time period is super new when it happens
Like a few years removed from the current timeline
If that
amber night
yeah i saw that they recton the timeline in the triology
do people find the big E's decision making towards the primarchs to be incredibly stupid during the crusade? for a guy who is supposed to be the peak of humanity , he fails greatly
i get, the chaos corruption will hit no matter waht, so the lore is traced backward but still
this is just my opinion, if its ignorant or offensive i apologize
fallen plaza
Nah
amber night
but i theorizes that Big E should have disposed konrad and Angron, as they were more disruptive, seems to be an loose end
fallen plaza
It is a relatively popular opinion
amber night
they were more risky than beneifical if that
dusk patrol
I think the Angron thing is a bit goofy writing wise and doesn’t make much sense
The others idk
amber night
Big E after cucking morty of his revenge, should use his daddy issue against him , made he become a forever lapdog satisfying emperor and have enough low self-esteem to not rebel
Also
a tool and weapon could be used against you, so its important to have an immediate failsafe towards them , the emperor should have something of a kill switch towards the primarchs to nip any rebellion in the but
amber night
I think the Angron thing is a bit goofy writing wise and doesn’t make much sense
maybe they just want a traitor primarch for khorne?
fallen plaza
People say it will be hard to adapt the heresy into a film i’d argue against that because it is so easy to cut out all the pointless guff
amber night
yeah
dusk patrol
maybe they just want a traitor primarch for khorne?
What?
That doesn’t have to do with the writing being silly for why he does what he does
amber night
oh i was suggesting that maybe the GW just wnats a traitor primarch for khorne, they dont care too much about the plausiablity of the lore regarding it
dusk patrol
You can easily just write it as he tries to help Angron but Angron rejects him anyways because he’s a tyrant
fallen plaza
Yeah the whole teleport thing was goofy
I never really liked the whole evil emperor thing
dusk patrol
It’s not consistent with how he tries to reach other primarchs either
amber night
I never really liked the whole evil emperor thing
i think its a valid point, an emperor shouldnt be benvolent entirety, that will be unnatural. plus more talking points mean more attraction, i theorize
dusk patrol
I don’t care if he’s evil, I more care about consistency and how he cares more about getting his primarchs on his side than a meh world
He spends a lot of effort winning over basically every single other one he can
There’s no reason he couldn’t wipe out the high riders
Even just their army
What are they gonna do?
amber night
i do want to know
whats the lore intentionally made that way for some reason or if its just poorly written
fallen plaza
Both
dusk patrol
Idk but it’s jsut bad writing imo
And ADB and whoever else was in charge should have known better
amber night
also
i am bit bummed out the fact that angron falls to khorne
shouldnt he be a healer?
whole thing screams failure to me
but maybe thats why its grimdark?
idk
i am also kinda bummed by the fact that Emperor didnt not foresee magnus fucking things up, since he is so determental for the emperor's plan. shouldnt him pay more attention to Magnus to make sure his plan goes the way it should and prevent what happened ?
dusk patrol
No because then the plot can’t happen.
Also he was busy
And he unfortunately thought Magnus would maybe not be a fuck up for five minutes
amber night
does perty being tzeentchs primarch seems more fitting than magnus ?
amber night
And he unfortunately thought Magnus would maybe not be a fuck up for five minute...
good point
twilit musk
funny how the chaos gods seemed to have exhausted everything to do almost instantly
literally have nothing better else to do than fuck with reality
i think Nurgle is the least ‘active’ in that he really just pops in and checks shit out when his people start doing some super stinky stuff and then gives a thumbs up and goes back
Whole galaxy going tooth and nail to survive these assholes and their effort is barely even passive
fallen plaza
tzeetch about do absolutely nothing (all according to plan)
twilit musk
that’s what kinda benches him in my mind like I can’t take it seriously since he’s just like that annoying cousin you have always smirking to themselves thinking they’re ‘winning’ at something
that one time the girl and her dog got past his maze tho they actually did have to put their hands on their hips and suck their teeth
“fucking kidding me, you didn’t get a name? license plate? did you even see which way she went?”
the door : 🗿
starts walking back home
thinking about the fact that russo alone has killed 500,000 people (not canon surely) and it’s implied we’re all really fucking things up down there, shouldn’t this send up a big signal light to khorne’s realm
amber night
will russ be more fitting as khorn's primarch than the lion ?
i think it is because i feel like russ is more berserkish
celest dome
Russ should be Odin like with Tzeentch.
Khorne getting the Raven guard
amber night
is raven guard's speciality is stealth ?
that kinda defeats the purpose of martial might no ?
celest dome
Khorne care not for martial might.
Only of bloodshed
fallen plaza
lion has too many principles
“One must take the healthy amount of required naps in order to properly shed blood!”
fallen plaza
Khorne likes boys
amber night
edp , kevin spacey sponsors this message
who is the strongest sm of all time
in terms of dueling
fallen plaza
who is the strongest sm of all time
Whoever is the protagonist is the true answer
green loom
It's not really a guess it's pretty much his entire character lol
fallen plaza
Trying to seriously powerscale 40k is a ridiculous endeavor that will devolve into misinterpreting metaphors and basic writing prose
green loom
He'd have him for dinner
amber night
damn
what was the signficance of the black sword?
like its so powerful its forbidden?
amber night
oh
abbadon's sword
does it does any special for him
o its just accessory to make abbadon seems useful
green loom
It's very killy
What with it being the chosen form of Drachnyen, the First Murder
A scary powerful non aligned Daemon
amber night
i seem people
speculated him to be a minor chaos god entity
or thats too much
also
shouldnt emperor's champion comes from the lion's legion?
due to him being the best duelist?
green loom
It's debatable if Lion is the best
green loom
speculated him to be a minor chaos god entity
He's up there, but the definition of what a minor chaos god is is vague and up in the air
The Imp Fists were pretty much the primary loyalists on Terra and Rogal Dorn/Sigismund were always pretty favoured
amber night
i kinda see
rogal being the not the most gifted child but the most kiss-ass/ try hard one
green loom
He's pretty good at what he does
They're kinda all crazy gifted since you know, they're lab grown super human monsters
amber night
but in terms of innate/op powers
i will say compare them to each other
are custodes candidate chosen from birth?
green loom
Custodes?
amber night
yes
amber night
damn
even they did, wont be anything crazy
ithink
is the technical prowess like this
dark age of humanity > golden age > imperium now
twilit musk
ye
fallen plaza
Golden age and dark age are used interchangeably
green loom
It's like
Dark age > age of strife > crusade era > 40k
amber night
umm
sacred ginkgo
amber night
maybe
green loom
Brutal war rrrrah
green loom
how op was it relative to other species tech?
Better than whatever they have now but probably still not comparable
amber night
unstricted technology advancement with wars with no restriction from imperial cult and xenophobia and communicate with other colony and constant war which is the perfect enviornment for advancement and improvement?
and just how much time they had
thats my theory
fallen plaza
We dont really know
Like, religion and treaties predates the imperial truth and cult, so thats unlikely what happened
amber night
but not to the point of it actively restricts and main goals was to worship and persrve?
idk
will we ever see returns of titans?
does 40k have an equvalent of the death stars?
fallen plaza
There still in the current setting
amber night
There still in the current setting
got it
amber night
There still in the current setting
how was the chinese class, whats the demographic ?
i am always curious about this haha
green loom
does 40k have an equvalent of the death stars?
Ork war moons and Necron world engines
fallen plaza
how was the chinese class, whats the demographic ?
Currently im not having it, still summer
amber night
Ork war moons and Necron world engines
fucking sick
i would love to be a ork if there is an afterlife
green loom
AoS afterlives are pretty cool
fallen plaza
True
amber night
Currently im not having it, still summer
how was it, whats the demographic, sorry if thats bit invasive
the party in druhkhri cities must be wild
i hate to be a human in 40k settings
that brings me to my next qeustion
when ork die, they dont go to the warp right?
i havent seen any talks of that
do they even have souls?
fallen plaza
how was it, whats the demographic, sorry if thats bit invasive
Oh its no problem, but i dont really wanna elaborate on it much mainly because it is a long story and i dont wanna go on it
amber night
okok
yeah my bad
is anybody here a ufc fan , i dont know if general chat is allow here
fallen plaza
You can chat with it in general
amber night
Got it
shadow plover
dusk patrol
Looks fine to me
rocky gale
He just looks wrong
Like someone's put a Cities of Sigmar human head on one of the old Stormcast bodies
celest dome
Is that Cotez?
dusk patrol
I just wish the eagle was better integrated to his look
rocky gale
It's also too smooth
Like his old armour was angular and blocky, with studs, the new ones all smoove
celest dome
Chad Warrior Priest vs Virgin SM
storm jungle
^
rocky gale
Where's his armour niples?
storm jungle
Its like they actively tried to make him as generic as possible
rocky gale
His precious lorica musculata
dusk patrol
This has been leaked for months
storm jungle
Im aware dingus
Always good to have the final confirmation
and not everyone follows leaks
dusk patrol
I don’t even follow leaks and mfers wouldn’t shut up about this coming soon
It’s about what I’d hoped, we’ll have to see the rules but it’s a pretty good concept
storm jungle
Im just here for lore and art so
dusk patrol
The lore is there’s this organization called the Inquisition
And it’s typically split into three major factions
Called Ordos
Make sure you’re taking notes
raven stone
Actually to my surprise the 4th Detachment is a very generic Imperial Navis, instead of Rogue Trdaer specific.
But I am not complaining thus far yet. Need more meat on the bones to know what I think of it.
But FINALLY I can have an Inquisitor and a Rogue Trader together without having to build a full 2k army.
storm jungle
The lore is there’s this organization called the Inquisition
This is why I hate Iron Hands fans 😔
storm jungle
Actually to my surprise the 4th Detachment is a very generic Imperial Navis, ins...
Yeah its pretty much what we assumed/guessed so thats neat
soup faction done right
dusk patrol
I didn’t assume
I knew
But yeah it looks cool, hopefully the rules are actually worth a damn
Also possibly seems like you’ll be able to take Corvus Blackstars for chapters now?
raven stone
Well, you will need to soup them into Chapters using the Assigned Agents rules
But that looks like the case.
raven stone
soup faction done right
Wait if what the article says is correct…
Please, Games workshop, for the love of the Golden Throne.
Update the Corvus Blackstar so any Agents unit (not just Deathwatch) can ride in it
dusk patrol
We’ll see
Depends if you can mix and match factions
Like Sisters with Deathwatch or whatever
dusk patrol
Inb4 Corvus Blackstar: This unit may only hold units with the “Astartes” keyword
raven stone
Fair enough…and it does look like depending on final layout, if I want a force themed around an Inquisitor-Rogue Trader joint task force, I might actually be better off using the Imperialis Fleet.
Given how they specifically say that detachment buffs everything
Under the Codex Agents roster
@storm jungle the only question left is - will the new KT Scions get rolled into this Codex (they are not mentioned for obvious reasons if they are, but there is still room for doubt right now)
dusk patrol
I’d be surprised if they don’t have inquisition scions rules
storm jungle
They did tease that you can paint them in Inquisition red/black for a previous kill-team thing at some point
officially though dont think so
dusk patrol
It’s a soup faction so ideally the point is they let you use a broad selection
storm jungle
Yeah but i also dont see any scions in all 3 Ordo pictures, maybe they'll include em in the codex we'll see
still a shame Inquisitorial Stormtroopers seem to be still in the grave
sleep well sweet princes...
storm jungle
dusk patrol
You’re gonna get news about me Team killing that’s for sure
dusk patrol
I think that was one of if not the last firstborn model released before the big primaris update
dusk patrol
Deathwatch has had primaris for a long long time
They just never had many actual specific models
raven stone
Well I meant model wise 😛
dusk patrol
So did I
crystal forum
goddamn these models are so old that they dont even use lasguns that look like the cadian shitters
storm jungle
goddamn these models are so old that they dont even use lasguns that look like t...
Thats because they are custom hotshots
you uncultured FUCK
crystal forum
where's the backpack
storm jungle
These dont need any
They are pretty bulky so the power-source for it is probably on the gun itself
though there is art where they do also have power-cables
crystal forum
guess it's one of those space marine melta gun situations where the magazine and backpack are both options
storm jungle
Well with SM1-2 the melta is just simply wrong
with this its just artistic presentation mixed with ancient modelling
crystal forum
no i mean the models
storm jungle
dusk patrol
The SM2 melta is correct
crystal forum
the gravis guys with melta guns
storm jungle
The SM2 melta is correct
crystal forum
they can all have backpack or magazine except the multi melta which is forced backpack
dusk patrol
It fires a big ole beam
crystal forum
i can't even decide between the backpack or magazine, they both look cool
storm jungle
It fires a big ole beam
Im pretty sure its still a shotgun burst
crystal forum
you even can put a dropped magazine that's emitting smoke
dusk patrol
Also multimelta has always been a much larger blast
It’s why it has blast rules often
storm jungle
Yeah but... they werent using mutli-meltas
it was just a melta
which are always described as having a beam
fallen plaza
i can't even decide between the backpack or magazine, they both look cool
I would agree execpt for the flamer
dusk patrol
In the trailer he uses multimelta at one point
crystal forum
I would agree execpt for the flamer
wdym
fallen plaza
Dinky ass gas can magazine
crystal forum
Dinky ass gas can magazine
yeah idk why they dont use backpacks
storm jungle
That’s cause ur dumb
crystal forum
why are multi las mainly a 30k thing
dusk patrol
They’re not
crystal forum
i dont see them in 40k
crystal forum
on tabletop?
fallen plaza
Multi las is more of a milltia thing in 30k
crystal forum
if only autocannons were more common
crystal forum
can't even mount one on a leman russ
fallen plaza
They Jay
dusk patrol
There’s vehicles outside the guard even
crystal forum
name one non guard vehicle
fallen plaza
Look at primaris stubbers lmao
raven stone
Talking of tanks.
Is that actually a new Chimera sprue?
raven stone
name one non guard vehicle
Predator. Land Raider. lol.
fallen plaza
name one non guard vehicle
Your mom
crystal forum
smh GW not banning predators from its games
dusk patrol
I’m going to resist the joke
crystal forum
autocannons are supposedly lower tech than heavy bolters right
i wonder what a fully lower tech regiment would be like
dusk patrol
Heavy bolters are generally better for most non armored targets
dusk patrol
Autocannons are for light and medium armored generally