40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

0.75 is 20mm ?

[plush mason]

yup

.993 is 26mm

[celest dome]

In any case they most likely have less powder than regular weapons

[rocky gale]

Aren't Bolter rounds like mini rocket bullets with a secondary ignition after being fired, so you'd imagine less recoil on the initial shot

[plush mason]

yup

2 stage gyro rockets

so the casing has a small amount of ejector propellant

its also why the bolters have such short barrels

[rocky gale]

Hmmm new Warcom article suggests next Killteam box is going to be Tau vs Tempestus Scions

Which coincides with earlier leaks of a Jump pack Scions vs Vespids box

[shell mason]

sup lore nerds

[dusk patrol]

Well I won’t be upset with more scions

[storm jungle]

VESPIDS

PLEASE

[dusk patrol]

Especially if Agents of the Imperium is gonna be a thing

[storm jungle]

also scions i guess idgaf

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-ahhhh-awww-little-lamb-out-of-the-way-you-gif-20365876

[plush mason]

new Vespids are always welcome

[storm jungle]

Any alien model update is a W

[plush mason]

^

[storm jungle]

🙏

[shell mason]

I actually agree with this

anything other than Asartes, milituirm models is actually a dub

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/rocketeer-flying-gif-22059037

Always down for more flyboys

Except for the movie Flyboys that one sucked

[green loom]

👀

[outer wave]

Are we seeing the return of the Astartes guy....

[dusk patrol]

That’d be pretty great marketing

Also a way to give a crash course on Space Marines and 40k for people new to the setting

[outer wave]

I hope thats all happening but this sadly is still GW behind the wheels (sorta)

[dusk patrol]

And?

[outer wave]

GW isnt known for making the most sensible decisions is all but then again, Amazon has some pull here so maybe things are a little different

[dusk patrol]

Based off what? They’re the reason this stuff is happening

lol

[outer wave]

Oh oof

[green loom]

40k marketing is not bad

(their in house studio is just overworked lmao)

[dusk patrol]

I won’t pretend I wouldnt like more animations and stuff but if it’s leading to this

I’m down

I’d rather all this than a few ok animations

[green loom]

Like they had to make the edition trailer for 10th, AoS4th, Pariah Nexus, Horus Heresy, Kill TEam

[outer wave]

Oh absolutely the same, I'm just skeptical for the moment

[outer wave]

True

[dusk patrol]

I’m not gonna count the chickens before they hatch but Amazon being behind a potentially huge and high budget 40k show is a big deal if that can stick the landing

[green loom]

Doubly so if it doesn't, you know, suck

[dusk patrol]

And mostly I’ve enjoyed Amazons stuff at least visually. There’s issues with some but most of those are understandable I think

[green loom]

But like adaptations wise the worse they make is like, okay

So I'm not worried

[dusk patrol]

Rings of Power is hugely handicapped by what they can use

And a new LotR is always gonna be rough tbh, I think it was a mistake but the execution visually was well done

[green loom]

Isn't it also like 90% of the reason they can do more stuff too, since their studios got expanded while they were producing it

[dusk patrol]

The Boys my issues are the same as anything else Kripke has done

[dusk patrol]

I’m not certain

I just know they didn’t have access to much of the LotR properties unfortunately

Which unfortunately obviously affected the writing

[green loom]

Myeah

They got like

A brief footnote right

[dusk patrol]

Don’t get me wrong it could still suck but at least it’s a good shot and hopefully visually it’ll work

[green loom]

And only partially

[dusk patrol]

And I’m confident they’re gonna try to make it true to the tone for 40k

[green loom]

I'm sure we'll get like 3 million videos/posts about it "Not being 40k" from morons regardless lol

[outer wave]

I wonder how short this movie short will be tbh

[green loom]

Lower end I'd say 8-10 minutes?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah if they do Eisenhorn they’ll have Midas show up and people will complain about woke because black guy

[green loom]

Ikr

[dusk patrol]

Or they’ll make Aemos East asian or whatever

[green loom]

Or they portray the imperium as bad or Eisenhorn as mildly wrong

[crystal forum]

what happens when a power sword hits a storm shield

both work on the same principal right

[crystal forum]

i've said it before but they'll hammer it into your skull that the imperium is bad

[green loom]

Not a difficult thing to do

[arctic talon]

They block the sword

[crystal forum]

it'll be a bit annoying for the nerds like us since it's already obvious

[green loom]

With visual media it'll probably be hard not to

[crystal forum]

but i can tell they'll open the series by trying to distance themselves as much as possible from the shitty community

"the imperium is shit and our fanbase are morons for liking them"

[green loom]

Like dude's at an enforcer station, what'll they be doing in the background? Having coffee?

Horrid oppressive bullshit makes for good background clutter

[arctic talon]

Just hit them with the intro

Bruh

It is the 41st millennium

[crystal forum]

i hope it pisses off the people i dislike

[arctic talon]

💀

[crystal forum]

they should make eisenhorn a woman

for no reason

[arctic talon]

It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods. note

Just make your own show at that point idk

I think I’d rather something new

Then an adaptation

[crystal forum]

with blackjack and hookers

[arctic talon]

Lol

I’d rather something new tbh

[crystal forum]

something new is asking a lot

[arctic talon]

Less expectations

Not really

[crystal forum]

from executives

since that costs writers

[arctic talon]

We get something new with every book supplement lol

[crystal forum]

and an already written story is much easier to pitch

[arctic talon]

Idk

[crystal forum]

the boys just used the comic book as an excuse

[arctic talon]

I prefer original content

[crystal forum]

the comic books suck

[green loom]

I mean

For executives

It's not like they'd know the source material

[arctic talon]

The boys just uses a somewhat similar setting + characters

It’s much better then the source

[queen laurel]

the source is atrocious

the show is alot better

[green loom]

They might straight up pitch Eisenhorn and then make an original inquisition story

[crystal forum]

they just used it as an excuse to make a show making fun of superheros imo

[arctic talon]

The comic also does that way harder

Lol

It’s just shit

[green loom]

It's literally the same lol yeah

[crystal forum]

executives arent smart people

they just follow trends to make sure the show will sell

pitching the boys without a comic book source would have just made it seem less worthy of investment because these people are stupid

im not taking their side

[green loom]

I hope we get an intro like dis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&ab_channel=Garrot

[arctic talon]

My beloved intro

The most cruel and bloody regime possible

[crystal forum]

a star wars intro crawl that nobody will read

[arctic talon]

40K has so many fucking fans who refuse to read

It drives me insane

[dusk patrol]

Maybe they’ll at least watch the show

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

Even then

[queen laurel]

Yeah like i don't read them but even i at least verify my source like

[arctic talon]

This isn’t like grimdank at all

[queen laurel]

That's not even hard

just focus a little bit of research

[arctic talon]

Reading the wiki > regurgitating meme shit

[dusk patrol]

People don’t care

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

It’s that simple

[queen laurel]

Yeah I would rather have people read the wiki than be completely clueless

[celest dome]

SW intro that mention thing that would have been significant enough to actually be in the movie instead

[green loom]

People like to larp as big fans of something niche

[dusk patrol]

They just like to post the same overdone dead meme over and over

[crystal forum]

also all the important lore is crammed into rulebooks anyways

the rest is supplementary

[dusk patrol]

Not really but a lot of it is in there

It’s very easy to access this stuff

[green loom]

The wikis half the time just straight up copy paste from the rulebooks

[crystal forum]

i might sound cruel but losers love to attach themselves personally to niche communities because they dont have anything else to relate to since they have no friends

and the moment they perceive this community as attacked they act super tribal about it

[green loom]

They give me a bad name

[arctic talon]

It was easy to find people who didn’t read the lore to skin alive during the custodes thing

Me seeing the words geneseed

In the context of custodes

[queen laurel]

i've seen people defend communities more aggressively than orks a lot of the time hell they even gate keep harder then elden ring players when you are using summons and having fun

[arctic talon]

Ngl those people are lame

Play however the fuck you want lol

[queen laurel]

yeah fuck em

[arctic talon]

The game gives you the tools

[crystal forum]

the whole custodes thing was because they got convinced by shitheads that female custodes are an attack on their beloved IP

[queen laurel]

You want to be a masochist just go ahead I'm here to have fun

[crystal forum]

actual brain rot

[arctic talon]

I think GW really didn’t handle it well

Personally

[queen laurel]

yes it was a bit out of the blue i will admit

[arctic talon]

I like the addition but also they did it in an ehhh way

But w/e

[queen laurel]

but the way the community overreacted on the other hand

[arctic talon]

Meh

[queen laurel]

That's where the problem really is to be fair

It's just you know a very weird lorechange you don't really have to lose your hair about it

[crystal forum]

you cant blame GW for the shitheads crying about woke stuff infiltrating their game

[arctic talon]

I’m not blaming them for that

I’m blaming GW for not making a mini for it smh my head

Or at least an alt head sculpt

But w/e

[celest dome]

Yeah release the lore right after/alongside a named miniature

That would have been best

[queen laurel]

yeah a lot of custodes stuff if not all of it are male oriented

[arctic talon]

Not even a named mini is necessary tbh

Just a head sculpt for it would be enough

[celest dome]

Having a model of Kesh would be cool though

[arctic talon]

GW actually making Harken look cool in art goes crazy tbh

[arctic talon]

I don’t disagree

[queen laurel]

but yeah then again, as much as GW didn't really handle it well, people crying about it like god damn runts don't make it any more fun

[dusk patrol]

I got tired of all the discourse on it fast and still am

It would have been better if they did it years ago

But whatever

Idc

[arctic talon]

I agree

Okay so

Bomb squigs

[queen laurel]

what about them?

[arctic talon]

Do you think if you shook one it would explode

I’m not sure how volatile their insides are

[queen laurel]

i mean it's just an attack squig with a timed fuse

If the bombs aren't activated

you can try shaking it all you want

[dusk patrol]

Considering it’s an Ork bomb

[arctic talon]

Oh I thought they had like

[dusk patrol]

Probably 50/50

[arctic talon]

Extra explosive insides

Lol

[celest dome]

The 40k one wouldn't matter

[dusk patrol]

You see one in the Killteam trailer

[queen laurel]

Yeah most of the time they use fused explosives

[crystal forum]

that looks like dynamite

[queen laurel]

ortimed charges

[crystal forum]

dynamite will in fact explode if shot

[dusk patrol]

Somehow I doubt they’re following extreme safety procedures when making them

[queen laurel]

Yeah there are chances of some run them component accidentally detaching and causing you to blow up is there

[arctic talon]

The safety procedure is don’t stick a grenade up the squigs ass

[celest dome]

I think that any bomb squig that could explode if they are shaken would be useless, seeing how they move around

[arctic talon]

Good point

[queen laurel]

they strap a fuck ton of bombs on them yeah

it's mostly dynamite but since it's ork made dynamite

You can imagine how dangerous that one would be

[crystal forum]

if orks have dynamite does this mean they know the process of creating nitroglycerine and then making TNT with it

[dusk patrol]

I mean that’s a pretty basic aspect of making explosives

So probably

[queen laurel]

They can make an explosive compound it's not really that hard

[dusk patrol]

It’s pretty easy for us to do it irl

Multiple civilizations figured out how to make stuff go boom

[crystal forum]

do it right now then

[queen laurel]

yeah and orks are a very war focused species

[dusk patrol]

I already sent one to your house

Check your mail

[queen laurel]

They would be experts at making stuff that kills stuff

[crystal forum]

dynamite is not as simple as adding saltpeter, sulfur and charcoal together

it took until the industrial revolution to figure it out

[queen laurel]

orks are not the sharpest tool in the shed but it's just making bombs

[crystal forum]

we had nitroglycerine for a little while which was very funny because it's both a heart medication and an extremely unstable explosive

[queen laurel]

tank bustaz use explosives all of the time

they can make this stuff easily

[crystal forum]

i just like the idea of an ork chemist

[arctic talon]

Def exists

[crystal forum]

and the ork equivalent of alfred nobel

[arctic talon]

As an oddboy

[queen laurel]

yeah it could also be a low ranking mek boy or spanner

[dusk patrol]

Yeah and Orks are a race engineered to blow stuff up and blast it by a super advanced race

[crystal forum]

ork logistics are fun to think about i dont care how im not supposed to think about it

somehow it fucking works

[queen laurel]

Why are you thinking about a faction that you're not supposed to think about

[dusk patrol]

They make guns and vehicles by hand

[queen laurel]

they're orks

[dusk patrol]

Explosives is the easy one

[queen laurel]

they can make attack asteroids

[arctic talon]

I’d assume they have a squig that produces explosive goo or something

Idk

Maybe it’s blood is explosive lol

But also they could just make them from scratch

[crystal forum]

ork supply trucks

just a trukk full of ammo and explosives

that one space marine with the bolt sniper looking at it go

[queen laurel]

why bother with that when you can get a squig that is actually a bomb

[arctic talon]

Oh that one

Where’s the flat squig mine

[dusk patrol]

Same energy

[arctic talon]

Lol

[gray umbra]

Squigs make good hair

[ripe solar]

mmh chinchompa

[plush mason]

and a fertilizer

[queen laurel]

squigs can bred and genetically modified for a lot of useful stuff

bombs molotovs hair

you name it

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-gif-23059113

[celest dome]

Targeting systems

[plush mason]

anvils

[queen laurel]

yep

[celest dome]

Bikes

[dusk patrol]

Anything you say?

[plush mason]

guitar foot petals

[crystal forum]

you're thinking about potassium nitrate

[dusk patrol]

Can I make one which doesn’t let Jay type anymore

[queen laurel]

Why the hell do I care one of them is literally an instrument

[crystal forum]

which is used for gunpowder

[dusk patrol]

Potassium is for bananas

Dummy

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/experimentation-derek-muller-veritasium-made-an-explosion-conduct-experiments-gif-24985419

i love alkalines

[dusk patrol]

Nitrate is the stuff Dom uses to make his car believe in family more

[crystal forum]

they just want to exist and not fucking touch anything

[dusk patrol]

Sodium Chloride is wild

[queen laurel]

ah the amp squig

[plush mason]

there is no limit to what a squig can be

[crystal forum]

chemistry is for nerds btw

fuck that shit

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah, what about a non squig?

Got his ass

[plush mason]

and its a well established fact that everyone in this channel is a nerd

[dusk patrol]

Can’t make a squig into a real boy

[plush mason]

lol

[dusk patrol]

Well not unless the fairy godmother shows up

[crystal forum]

even worse, geeks

[plush mason]

hey now, lets not go that far

[queen laurel]

you're a military geek

[crystal forum]

there used to be a math guy here

[dusk patrol]

He didn’t have much to add though

[crystal forum]

that's very derivative of you

[dusk patrol]

Don’t be so divisive

[plush mason]

oh no not math puns

[dusk patrol]

Careful

They multiply

[queen laurel]

Fuck both of you

that's it

that's all i have to say

[plush mason]

ngl i fully expected you to say "im gettin' me zoggen' hammer"

[crystal forum]

and then he zogged all over the place

[queen laurel]

i'm blunt most of the time what can i say

i'm about as subtle as a brick flying through the air to hit someone

[plush mason]

respect

[crystal forum]

do orks play cards

[queen laurel]

nah games like that are for gretchen

alot of ork entertainment is well

Violent

like Headbutting contests or a squig face eating contest

[shell mason]

correct me if im wrong necrons can't feel pain correct?

[arctic talon]

They feel a simulation of it

But yeah they don’t exactly feel pain

[shell mason]

suppose it keeps them from going mad

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s also useful to know

If you lost like a leg or arm

[shell mason]

could just turn it off

would be useful for the royals while the basics necron has theirs turned off

[crystal forum]

pain, we hate it but we'd be dead without it

[shell mason]

tru

[storm jungle]

Basic necrons literally got no souls

they feel nothing

https://tenor.com/view/feel-nothing-empty-inside-barbossa-pirates-gif-9227288

[shell mason]

my brother in christ ALL NECRONS DON'T HAVE SOULS

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the basic ones got even less

normal foot-troops feel literally nothing

there isnt anyone in there

[dusk patrol]

They used to have no souls

They still don’t

But they used to not too

[storm jungle]

Relatable to be honest

https://tenor.com/view/im-deadinside-dead_inside-im_dead_inside-pussinboots-gif-27433984

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-people-with-feelings-cartman-south-park-ginger-kids-s9e11-gif-22317546

[shell mason]

Make that a actual sentence

[storm jungle]

They used to have no souls

[shell mason]

still not a sentence.

[storm jungle]

a set of words that is complete in itself, typically containing a subject and predicate, conveying a statement, question, exclamation, or command, and consisting of a main clause and sometimes one or more subordinate clauses.

[shell mason]

no periods.

[storm jungle]

I really dont care

[shell mason]

I know you don't scum

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-kujo-insult-jo-jos-bizarre-jojo-gif-12717155

[dusk patrol]

It’s a play off a Mitch Hedburg joke

“I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used too as well.”

[shell mason]

I have no idea who that is

But appreciate the context

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-gabriel-ultrakill-v1-v1-ultrakill-watch-yo-tone-mf-gif-15334889531043185167

[shell mason]

Fine

but still fuck you

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Sadly there’s no data repository out there or context clues you can take which would reveal it to you

And you’ll die in ignorance

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-coin-ultrakill-coin-v1-ultrakill-v1-coin-gif-11298628159306867339

[shell mason]

shame

[shell mason]

Flips coin

Fucking dies

[shell mason]

[arctic talon]

Certified cities of sigmar moment

[normal light]

?

[misty brook]

So a Psyker who has the ability to absorb the nearest Daemon into their own body and turn into it and use it's own power against their own kin and inflict true death on them by absorbing their essence when slain. But the transformed Psyker still has control of their body without being subsumed by the respective Chaos God whom they robbed of, because of their indomitable will. Would the Imperium sanction such a Psyker or would they be under a Inquisitor's retinue instead?

[arctic talon]

That psyker would be killed probsbly

[dusk patrol]

They’d be similar to a possessed marine

And outside of some super radical elements

Would be killed by most inquisition people

A radical inquisitor might use them though

But possessed people who maintain control and use the power are corrupted to the depths of hell

[celest dome]

Killed without really understanding what they do/are

[storm jungle]

^

[misty brook]

It's not like a second skin. The Psyker actually turns into the daemon like how they look do when they materialize in Realspace.

[storm jungle]

They would be killed still

[celest dome]

Ignorance is an enemy, even to its owner

[storm jungle]

^

Well said.

The Imperium is also not known for being logical about these things, theres at least a dozen stories where they would rather destroy things that would improve/help the Imperium in the long run entirely due to supersition among other things.

[dusk patrol]

And there’s not much reason to think that’s a good thing

Consuming daemons doesn’t generally lead to good results, also truth death isn’t as useful as you’d think for daemons

That being said idk how they’re killing this over powered thing

Idk what else you want with that hypothetical though. Radicals would maybe try to use it, others would try to destroy to

[arctic talon]

hell some radicals would destroy it as well

[hallow plover]

Just add friendly fire to the game so I can put a bullet through my psyker's head the moment he starts mumbling thing because of high peril

That's why bolt pistols are available, right?

[tough haven]

Sounds like a mary sue character

[tough haven]

I love how bolt pistols are the posterchild of summary execution

you could literally just use a laspistol

a boltpistol to the back of the head is just overkill and a waste of an expensive and hard to find round lol

[hallow plover]

It's the imperium

Waste is not considered

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s mostly just that’s what commissars are seen with as a signature weapon, they’d use a laspistol if they had one on hand

[queen laurel]

The only reason they often opt for a Bolt pistol is for the extra punch

[dusk patrol]

It also sends more of a message and does the job better for executions too

[queen laurel]

A Las pistol is good but you need a lot more than that in the battlefield

[dusk patrol]

Unless you’re lame like Cain smh

Imagine being a commissar and not opting for a plasma or bolt pistol

[hallow plover]

I would use the bold pistol on the fleeing guardsman and the laspistol for the usual execution

[green loom]

Wait was this the campaign

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

oh nvm Hel Crown is only just starting

Oh well

[arctic talon]

oh

its not Hel Crown

sorry lol

[green loom]

I figure they're going to make Skaven win

[arctic talon]

inb4 Helcrown gets taken over by the Skaven and Khorne immedietly attacks it

[tough haven]

in darktide I hear characters have lines about auspex readings for daemons, is this actually something that is done in lore?

[arctic talon]

prolly

[young pecan]

Leandros captured the ignorance of the Imperium perfectly when I was first getting into WH media with the Space Marine game

"Bro... I killed thousands of daemons and literally tackled a traitor marine off of a tower to kill him" "Inquisy come get him I'm scawed"

[storm jungle]

All he had to do was snitch to the Chaplains

if he wanted to be like

orderly as the codex wanted at all lol

[young pecan]

All he had to do was not be jealous he can't slay like us

[storm jungle]

[hallow plover]

Is Leandros confirmed to be in SM2?

[rose thorn]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, probably only a 5th of those will in lore actually make it past the second generation

BUT LETS GO

[hallow plover]

I'd like to see how he has "grown"

[rose thorn]

genuine HUge AOS Dub

[arctic talon]

Cities of Sigmar on their way to send out more crusades after a large chunk die horribly

[rose thorn]

thats the plans babYyyy

on topic of cities i wrote most of the lore but im stuck on my city symbol

[rose thorn]

soul drinkers:

[hallow plover]

True

Becomes a spider monster "I AM NO HERETIC"

[rose thorn]

'who ever wins this duel is moer loyal!'

stabs with spider legs

[hallow plover]

I still can't believe how they couldnt figure out it was chaos all along

all the signs were there

[rose thorn]

THERE WE GOo

i ifnally got my symbol

[storm jungle]

Lmao the skull on the insect is a great touch

[rose thorn]

thanks! im stuck ebtween with or without the back legs

[storm jungle]

Stick to this

The more simple the better

[rose thorn]

yea but that is a bit too much empty space

settlers gain is pretty complex to tbh

also eventaully ill pay someone to remake this with actual skill

and not just steal clip art like i did

and then make a water transfer

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/12/chalnath-dispatches-at-all-costs/

Can y’all smell it?
Imperial Agents codex reveal just around the corner…

[nocturne crest]

Will we get Penal legionnaires?

[green loom]

That's the scion v vespid kill team

[arctic talon]

settlers gain is also facist a perfectly normal city designed for enlightenment

[rose thorn]

yes

[arctic talon]

I think its design being so complex compared to the others is supposed to be offputting

[arctic talon]

This is 99% sure for killteam lol

[raven stone]

Ah thanks for clarification.
Scions…hmm…would still keep an eye out, might steal a leader for Inquisitor like how I am waiting to steal a Hunting Rig for a RT

[dusk patrol]

It’ll probably be useable for Agents regardless

But according to leaks the only updated/new model is a new Coteaz model

New bigass double barreled eagle

[lone quest]

Imagine America in warhammer

[dusk patrol]

Mfw everything is a nail

[rose thorn]

Lumineth smug face: ‘it’s a simple design, your impure minds are simply not comprehending it at the same rate we do’ sends you to the lobotomy rock

[arctic talon]

Isn’t it just the brainwash re-education rocl

[rose thorn]

sometimes it ends with labotomy from waht i heard but i havent checked

i shoudl coem up with one of thsoe sub names for my city

i was thinking

'is The Wailing City too on the nose of a pun?'

[arctic talon]

Meh

should be fine

[rose thorn]

yeah

its a city in the skeletonof a whale god

it fits

[young pecan]

If the area is bleak, rather than the skeleton being a sort of sanctuary, then yeah it fits

I think if it's cheery or neutral then nah imo

[shell mason]

Nerd chat

come alive

[young pecan]

and

[shell mason]

Sup Copper

[rose thorn]

yeah the city is terrible to live in lmao

[arctic talon]

Average city of sigmar

/hj

[storm jungle]

if you ever think a warhammer location name is stupid dont ever forget planets like Murder

or Nocturne with the volcanic location of Mount Deathfire

[sacred ginkgo]

Birmingham

[storm jungle]

Armageddon

[dusk patrol]

Tbf we name shit that irl

[storm jungle]

Yeah and its still stupid.

That was my point lmao

theres a literal town in europe called Fucking™️

[rose thorn]

HAHAhahg

i forgot about that

[dusk patrol]

They were cowards

And changed it to Fugging

[storm jungle]

LOL

OH MY GOD THEY DID

[dusk patrol]

Weak and pathetic Austrians

Meanwhile Hate Al Gore, Texas

[arctic talon]

Batman turkey

[storm jungle]

Thats even worse

and the history of it is so complicated its goofy

THEY EVEN TRIED SUEING DC

LIKE WHAT

[arctic talon]

There’s a Florida town name

[storm jungle]

you lost me at Florida

[arctic talon]

I can’t say

[storm jungle]

you can spoiler it

[arctic talon]

Bruh it’s a racial slur

[dusk patrol]

I really like Cut and Shoot, Texas personally

Also Notrees, Texas

[arctic talon]

I am going to be murdered by the bot

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

You’ll be shocked to learn why that one got its name

Also Oatmeal Texas

[storm jungle]

These cannot be real

please

I cant

YOU CANT FUCKING DO THIS TO ME

[dusk patrol]

Idk I’m

https://cityofuncertain.com

[storm jungle]

now THATS fucked up

[dusk patrol]

https://www.dumastx.gov

This one tbf is a last name

Not pronounced that way

[storm jungle]

Yeah Dumas is fair

[dusk patrol]

But still funny

[storm jungle]

at this point we need the City of Idontfuckingknow

[young pecan]

Mount Explodius

[storm jungle]

LOL

Theres that one planet

Sodallagain

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sodallagain

[dusk patrol]

Also there’s Hell, Texas

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

[arctic talon]

Ding dong Texas

Is pretty funny

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of good ones

Noodle Texas

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I think cities named after dictators are funny

[storm jungle]

It tends to depend on how bad the dictator was too

Stalingrad anyone lol

[arctic talon]

Idk I think they should have kept Chiang Kai Shek city

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

It’s totally not a mouthful

[dusk patrol]

Shrek City for short

[storm jungle]

💀

[young pecan]

Texas has so many dumb names

[sacred ginkgo]

It has a Paris

[dusk patrol]

I really like Carmel-by-the-Sea, California

[arctic talon]

British town sounding name

[dusk patrol]

It helps it’s a super nice town, if it wasn’t it would be funny

[arctic talon]

Gary Indiana

[dusk patrol]

Clint Eastwood was mayor for awhile there

[arctic talon]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Gary not even that bad anymore, it’s just dead

[arctic talon]

That’s not a good thing

It’s just a corpse now

Instead of a rotting one

[dusk patrol]

It’s not great, but they have been doing a fair amount to try to fix it in recent years

[arctic talon]

That’s good to hear

[dusk patrol]

I live fairly close to it

[storm jungle]

you being from Texas explains a lot honestly

[arctic talon]

Caramel by the sea is in California

💀

[storm jungle]

Same thing

its America

[storm jungle]

Im sure its somewhere within this rough area

[arctic talon]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

I’m from Indiana

I live near Gary

Like an hour away roughly

[arctic talon]

Oh

That makes more sense

I think the wires crossed in my head

[young pecan]

"I'm proud of my heritage, why are people trying to change it?"

[rose thorn]

That picture was in the same style as that picture of excelsis i was tyring to figure out what fucking city of sigmar is called 'Uncertain"

[arctic talon]

Uncertian is my favorite city of sigmar

[rose thorn]

yeah i wish they woudl expand on the lore tho...

[timid lodge]

How does one join the Adeptus Mechanicus?
It is just from Forge Worlds or can people just join from other planets?

[storm jungle]

• Get born into the cult (or else join as a convert, though this is apparently rare)
• Show aptitude for technology and higher learning.
• Get apprenticed as an acolyte and then get promoted through the cult based on your achievements and learnings.

[tough haven]

Except, if you’re a layperson showing aptitude at working on technology by working on technology, don’t you get punished and possibly killed for violating the sacred machinery without proper rites/being in the cult?

[storm jungle]

Not really, it entirely depends.

We aren't talking about inventing stuff.

[tough haven]

Yeah but laypeople interacting with technology is forbidden

But maybe not so forbidden as to be punished vs the benefit of getting a new cult member

[fallen plaza]

I think the lack of innovation kind be kinda exaggerated in 40k sometimes

I like to think only in the higher echelons its basically impossible to do so since it is a political statement within the imperial government

But some inbred in necromunda can build a jetbike

[viral halo]

Transphobic luke isn’t real he can’t hurt anyone

Transphobic Luke

[queen laurel]

Necromunda to be fair is literally barely following a lot of the imperial rules

As a matter of fact one of the factions literally has a fully intact stc just lying around

[green loom]

Guh

Is that dark side Luke from legends lol

[dusk patrol]

If you’re a layperson working under a priest/magos/whatever and show aptitude they may choose to sponsor you and try to induct you, but it’s up to them.

[tough haven]

So long as they don’t find out

[tough haven]

Oh that’s true, if you’re working under a magos you’re more likely to show that aptitude in acceptable ways

[dusk patrol]

Generally speaking most kids on Forgeworlds would be tested for aptitude to be able to do that. We know the Ad Mech relentlessly tests for people who might be able to pilot titans or at least be moderati

[dusk patrol]

Possibly as always it depends

[tough haven]

I meant like a tech priest is waking around a sees some random person replacing parts in a machine

Not like in ritual, but just literally doing mundane repairs

Wouldn’t that be unacceptable

Probably is determinant on how dogmatic said priest is

[dusk patrol]

It just depends, that’s not really the aptitude thing.

It’s more showing the ability to learn stuff and desire to.

There’s also prodigies called “Machine touched”

But yeah as always this all depends

[tough haven]

I know about them, but that’s a given

Their practically one step away from sainthood

[dusk patrol]

Generally speaking yeah

[viral halo]

It’s the based dark empire Luke that Disney ripped all the worst ideas from and somehow made them worse in the new trilogy

Always loved the art, the comic itself is mid in hindsight

[young pecan]

Do we have any official 40k food recipes

Would try some salted corpse starch

[azure knoll]

i wonder, with basically all CSM going by the way of chaos corruption and god worship, what is the effective difference between current time word bearers and current time black legion apart from the fact that one has an active leader and one doesn't?

[outer wave]

One is full of active zealots and the other is full of CSMs from various walks of life: some are zealous, some claim they only want to use chaos for their own means, some are dedicated to a singular god, others arent, etc

I dunno if that answers your question but that is a key difference between the two

[azure knoll]

sortof

wouldn't word bearers also have self-serving zealots?

preaching to others that worship of the gods brings each of the new followers unimaginable power

that power being the reason they themselves follow the gods

[outer wave]

Oh absolutely, but the majority of the Word Bearers are genuine zealots that want to worship these gods, mostly thanks to the influence of Lorgar

I believe you could have someone that both is self serving and is genuinely believing that the chaos gods derserve Terra and the galaxy and all that, but Im not the most read up on Word Bearers so keep that in mind

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

can someone make a version of this gif that just says "Begone" instead of skill issue? (I cannot entreat my machine spirit to do so, as I know not the correct catechisms)

[fallen plaza]

Is the flight of Eisenstein worth it to read to got on a HH reading streak

[storm jungle]

Its pretty "fine"

you get what the title says and thats basically it

[azure knoll]

ordered the night lords trilogy finally. i wanan see some idiotic murderers

[storm jungle]

Im sure this will go well

[rocky gale]

Nice, I got Queen of Knives and Rose in Darkness.

[azure knoll]

i wanted to order more books but apparently the black library website only has ebooks

which i will not buy for 16 euro when i can get their hardback (i think) equivalent for only 2 euro more expensive

[storm jungle]

You can order physical copies

[azure knoll]

at least not for the night lords trilogy

sadly the other things i wanted to buy my local bookstore didn't have on offer

[storm jungle]

oh yeah it literally depends too which sucks

for example it doesnt allow me to buy any product

i have a friend buy shit for me in ebooks then give em to me before i pay them back the exact price through paypal lmfao

[rose thorn]

The idea of Space marines painted like football teams is so funny to me for no reason

I’ve been thinking about it during my haircut

trying not to chuckle

‘Seattle sea hawk marines…’

‘Jets marines…’

[storm jungle]

to be fair basically what they are already

[rose thorn]

Yea

[rose thorn]

Gonna try listening adeptus ridiculous after trying that terrible skaven episode

I could barley make it half way through

[storm jungle]

Yeah Bricky is just such a bad presenter

unless you just want memes i guess

[plush mason]

i love the imperial fists, but holy fuck is their hot rod paint scheme awful to me

fuckers are literal canary yellow

[rose thorn]

Actually it was the other guy

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[plush mason]

DK?

[rose thorn]

Bricky is fine if you already know the lore and kit at wanna experience the feeling of telling your about warhammer lore

[rose thorn]

Yea

Dk did a terrible job in the skaven episode

[plush mason]

tbf he only had a week's worth of prep

none of them know anything about fantasy lol

[rose thorn]

Yeah but he might not know the split in the old world and AOS community

Because he was like ‘I’m not gonna talk about AOS’

Despite making skaven episode

Because of the skaven release for AOS

Bricky also doesn’t like fantasy stuff at all

[plush mason]

i sure they will do a lot more research for when the actual podcast starts, that was just a trial episode similar to how detective ridiculous started

[rose thorn]

Yeha but the detective episodes were amaizng

They canceled detective for the realms of ridiculous

[plush mason]

yeah

but tbf that might have been for the best given how the community reacted to some of topics in detective

if the fucking kill dozer made the chat near start a civil war i hate to see what an even more controversial topic would do

[rose thorn]

what?

[plush mason]

yeah

[rose thorn]

tbh they also didnt cover a mystery

[plush mason]

the chat on the kill dozer send off episode exploded into an argument in like 15mins

[rose thorn]

thats pretty funny

i dont think they realized how much they alienated the fantasy seen by covering only fantasy

which also will apply when they only cover aos

thats why most pod casts dont split between the two

unless its in aos and old world

and there is like 3 old world pod casts lmao

[plush mason]

i mean, fantasy pre end times is a completely seperate thing

[rose thorn]

also a third of the old world setting is alienated by the game it sefl too lmao

being in sudo legends

(which they also used aos art for)

[outer wave]

IMO the worst part of that episode was that DK didnt do a fantastic job on his research, but I prefer him as a presenter over Bricky tbh

[plush mason]

but yeah og fantasy and aos are completely seperate settings

now the fantasy podcast can move into aos by way of the end times

but best to not start anywhere near there imo

[rose thorn]

(which they might not do because boomer hammer)

also old world has

alot of bad lore

[outer wave]

No I believe they have confirmed that they'll eventually cover AOS

[rose thorn]

yea they said they will

they will cover old world end times and aos

[plush mason]

old world as in the new reboot or the og?

[outer wave]

Its pre-fantasy IIRC

Like 100-200 years before or something

[rose thorn]

both, but new lore over rules old lore

[plush mason]

ofc

[rose thorn]

also aos has a bigger player base then old world lmao

[outer wave]

Lmao

[rose thorn]

they got lucky with skaven

because the odl world lore applies to aos

but they also did nothing in old world besides end time

[plush mason]

they should just go og fantasy into end times into aos, and maybe get around to the old world prequal stuff after aos

[outer wave]

I am looking forwards to them covering Ogres, because of course I am

[young pecan]

I got too invested in Old World from TWH3 before I found out they nuked it

[outer wave]

Im certain thats their plan

[outer wave]

Rip

[young pecan]

Still love it though

Lizardmen 💪

[outer wave]

Oh same brother

WHF is so cool

[plush mason]

btw, when did warhammer fantasy become known as old world?

[rose thorn]

they are in aos! they got a model lien update too

like same characters

they sruvived the end times

[young pecan]

Huh??

[rose thorn]

yea they are caleld seraphon

[young pecan]

HUH???

[rose thorn]

they went to space

https://www.warhammer.com/en-AU/shop/age-of-sigmar/grand-alliance-order/seraphon

[young pecan]

I know some lizardmen fucked off into space but how many of the named ones survived?

[rose thorn]

most of them actually, also they have magic pits that revive ppl

playabel tho uh

only a hadnfi

[rose thorn]

revive lizards*

https://www.warhammer.com/en-AU/shop/age-of-sigmar/grand-alliance-order/seraphon

[outer wave]

A good number of named characters have reincarinations in AoS, including folks like Lord Kroak who survived and willed himself back to life because of course he could

[rose thorn]

my friend really lieks them tbh

he said they are pretty fun

[young pecan]

Lord Kroak is just the emperor but he tells the comas "nuh uh"

[rose thorn]

most factions from old world got ported except the french

abd gave beeb renade

remade

[young pecan]

I only see Kroak on there unless more named characters are in the packs

[rose thorn]

oh except beastmen they have gone way of teh 30 year old models

[outer wave]

Man are there any notable ogors in AoS?

[rose thorn]

and boen splittaz if you rememebr htem

[young pecan]

Interesting

[rose thorn]

yea

supposedly the army is gettng a line refresh this edition

[young pecan]

Where can I find out more about the End Times -> AoS lore transition?

[green loom]

Kroqgar should still be around I think?

[outer wave]

Only one I really know is the guy that choked on his grandchild's skull and died

[rose thorn]

the gw store also the aos age of myth wiki

[young pecan]

That was my first LL on TWH3, Nakai is my favorite

[green loom]

Hold on I think GW has a whole article for the timeline

[outer wave]

Look I dont play the tabletop nor care a ton of the crunch but PLEASE I NEED TO SEE THEM

[rose thorn]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/age-of-sigmar/grand-alliance-destruction/ogor-mawtribes

[green loom]

Nvm can't find it atm

[rose thorn]

they are following the pattern of about to get a huge refresh

[outer wave]

Yeah those bulls look so old

[rose thorn]

no updates, bad faction ability,

but

[outer wave]

Yeah apparently their rules arent great atm

[rose thorn]

lost zero models

[rose thorn]

its terrible

[outer wave]

😔

[rose thorn]

but the worst army in the game is now playable

whihc i play

so im happy

the krule boyz

[rose thorn]

honestly their underworlds stuff is amazing

[outer wave]

Underworlds stuff?

[rose thorn]

yea ther is a game called underworlds

its like, a deck builder game

its pretty good but they need to upadet the app

[outer wave]

Its a pretty cool model

[rose thorn]

also her

wait is she a girl my bad

no

my bsf

[outer wave]

He has a beard

Unless thats lovely locks going down from her chin

[rose thorn]

t he book accidentally called him a girl lmao

[outer wave]

Lmao

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-not-the-beard-dwarf-gif-5502750

[young pecan]

Thank you

[rose thorn]

i mean

not wiki

[rose thorn]

lex not wiki

[young pecan]

sugma, clinging to the shard of sugmarite

[rose thorn]

age of myth is pre game

[young pecan]

Oo gotcha

[rose thorn]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Age_of_Myth

i suggest you read a summary of all teh ages if you wanan understand the lore

also you can read uh

before teh ages

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Before_the_Ages

which isnt really needed

[young pecan]

Wait, so Bardin's daughter being named Bardinsdottir wasn't the VT2 devs being lazy smartasses, the lore writers are the lazy smartasses

[azure knoll]

the... killdozer made people angry?

[plush mason]

yes because some in chat hated the guy that did and others see him as a hero

[outer wave]

Oh lmao

[azure knoll]

did the guy... hear about the same story?

[rose thorn]

that episode seemed to side with him tbh

the guy

[plush mason]

yeah

[rose thorn]

so thats kinda funny

[azure knoll]

how do you not side with him?

[plush mason]

tbh that whole episode is just a text book example of how people can break in extreme ways given enough time and tribulations

[azure knoll]

the only reason i could see sb dislike the killdozer man is the religious self-righteousness but even then

[plush mason]

he very much got a raw deal, and it broke him, but that doesnt change the fact his actions where extreme

thankfully he failed to kill anyone

not for lack of trying mind

dude tried to blow up a fuel depo with a 50 cal

would have killed a lot of people if he had succeeded

the killdozer story is one with no good guys

all involved where ether POSes from the start or driven to near maddness

the legacy family on the town council especially

[rose thorn]

you can understand his actions and his reason, i think because he didnt kill nayone it was much more celebrated

[plush mason]

yeah

he wasnt a hero but he wasnt a villain ether

[young pecan]

I would side with Killdozer guy if he was only trying to hurt people who deserved it

Also why did Sugmar keep reviving people who he knew would bring trouble

"I hate Nagash because he's an evil asshole. Anyway I am doing a Nagash unboxing video"

[rose thorn]

nagash is basically doing that thing where a country funds another country's war on like a third worlds country

nagash was at war with every singel realm of eath at the time

and god of daeth

so sigmar knew he could betray nagash with no consequences

and nagash needed help

[young pecan]

Wait this is the first time the lizardmen are mentioned unless I glossed over something

[crystal forum]

do ogryns get drunk

[outer wave]

I couldnt see why they couldnt

They'd likely require alot more alcohol in comparison to the average human to get to that state though

[young pecan]

Probably a LOT lot

[outer wave]

Yep

That said, they'd probably react similarly to humans if ingesting the plant that the Space Wolves make for their mead or the mead itself (ie death)

[young pecan]

Are you sure? I last heard ogryn endurance and strength rivalled and at times outmatched SMs

[outer wave]

Thats physical strength, not based on their metabolism or how they can digest poisons

Which I could see is definitely stronger than the average human's but I doubt its better than a space marine's

[misty vector]

Makes me wonder how often space marines actually use their spit in combat

[young pecan]

I would imagine for the things that they eat, their gut has to be much, much stronger

Could be wrong though

[outer wave]

Of course, but I dont think their liver is stronger than a space marine's

[young pecan]

Oh yeah especially with the multiple hearts thing too

[outer wave]

Yeah that would help pump blood faster around, which means more goes through the liver

[young pecan]

Or ogryns could just be like Jake from Adventure Time

no gif of it but big liver

[outer wave]

Oh yeah their liver would be much stronger than ours

If they're surviving on harsher worlds outside of the high gravity, they're probably eating things that wouldnt initially agree with our stomachs

[shell mason]

I am

forgettable\

[young pecan]

What do you mean

[shell mason]

I am forgettable

[crystal forum]

so true

[shell mason]

furry

Why do they call the Iron hands the Iron hands?

[storm jungle]

wat

[storm jungle]

Its one of the BIGGEST cases of "when the author remembers"

[shell mason]

[storm jungle]

when it is its used very creatively or in dire spots but most of the time they basically make it seem like it doesnt exist.

same with their rather OP brain-eating-memory-consumption ability which also rarely gets used lol

SO MANY problems in novels could be solved with it but they just dont 💀

[shell mason]

Yk what's sad

[fallen plaza]

No

[storm jungle]

My life

[shell mason]

When Ferrus was in the warp, he came in contact with a Iron hands ship from the current setting. Crew dead and was able to see what his son would become

He was disgusted

And said

and I quote

[fallen plaza]

“Deez nuts”

[shell mason]

"Not while I live."

Sadly he was very much correct

It wasn't while he lived

[shell mason]

Also stop being sad, it's not healthy ya nerd

[dusk patrol]

Because Ferrus was called that by the Medusans in their language before he was found, he was something of a mythic figure/folk hero to them.

Cause you know, his fucking hands.

And then he named his legion that cause he already had the copyright.

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-memes-great-job40k-gif-26090130

GIVE THIS MAN A RIBBON

[storm jungle]

the "he already had the copyright" part is too accurate

[dusk patrol]

It was just simpler that way and he was already annoyed he had to do paperwork.

[tough haven]

I love rogue trader's art, its super good, this gives big darkest dungeon vibes

[green loom]

The little page arts are great

Used a bit too much to replace scenes though tbh

[outer wave]

Bro needs to be eating more, look at those arms god damn

[tough haven]

Being a spirit of the damned will do that to you

btw, what biological augments and modifications would be reasonably available to a genetor? Specifically respiration wise, compared to how most tech priests have respirators and whatnot

[young pecan]

I've adored every one of these kinds of scenes

Half of me thought the first time I saw that kind of scene, that it was a way to save budget. Maybe true, maybe no. But damn is it still cool

[tough haven]

I love them

[sacred ginkgo]

I like them, some give you a perspective other than that of the Lord Captain, and let you see what people think of you

[young pecan]

It was a brilliant way of making you feel even more like the head of a dynasty, that people actively look up to you and record your moves

[sacred ginkgo]

Also lets them do scenes that would take the entire budget of the game

Basically just the battle of act 4 plot world (forgor the name) and some of the more surreal stuff

[rose thorn]

For no reason I’d like to recommend my 3rd favorite Warhammer 40k book

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/AlternativeBL/xlarge/BLPROCESSED-Assassinorum-Kingmaker800x800MP32022.jpg

Insane that they had to nerf all the assassins in this book so they could tell an actual story know

[tough haven]

A little sad koln isn’t on the cover

[dusk patrol]

They don’t really nerf them

They do some wild stuff throughout the book, in less than ideal circumstances

[arctic talon]

Only “nerfed” assassin really ||is the vindicare bcs of how he fucked up his arm||

Aside from that I think it’s pretty in line

[thorn zenith]

ayyo what even is this from

oh that was cassia's questline i thought it was argenta

[storm jungle]

While it is a way to save budget considering the time these probably took to paint/draw its probably still very acceptable.

if it was like way more shittier and lazily drawn id take problem with it

Like some of these are genuinely nuts detail wise

[green loom]

Ye

[fallen plaza]

Gives the vibe of old art

[green loom]

They're not bad but I feel they replaced some really important bits

And didn't use them enough at other points

[storm jungle]

I like em.

[plush mason]

i love the black and white scenes you get in between acts

[shell mason]

as a dude currently playing dd i agree

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-gif-20699986

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-gif-23184588

[tough haven]

What are zoats?

[celest dome]

Ancient creature that look like a Centaur Lizard

[tough haven]

Yeah but like are just another faceless alien race that’s forgettable

[celest dome]

They are a minor Xenos factions, not much is known about them

[tough haven]

The wiki says they’re tyranids 💀

[celest dome]

They aren't exactly

But they used to be a Xenos race that was subservient to them

And acted as their emissary

[winter vessel]

Zoat

[celest dome]

Old defunct lore though

[crisp heath]

Wait a second

First picture posted in the sky

Is that a fucking dragon?

[arctic talon]

Heldrake

but yes

Anyone whos built this mini also knows its a piece of shit that deserves 0 love

[storm jungle]

I never liked the heldrake much in either case

its one of the most "toy-like" of most toy minis in 40k lol

[rocky gale]

Try playing 40k Gladius vs Chaos, see 50 of these bastards spammed at you in the endgame

[fallen plaza]

The votann are the king of toy-like currently

Still, the drake suckssss

[hallow plover]

Any Defiler enjoyers here?

[arctic talon]

I enjoy the defiler

I think its a little silly but I like it

[hallow plover]

I wish it had more customisation

[fallen plaza]

I dont get the hate

Its kinda sick

[arctic talon]

Defiler ironically

has more weapon options then ever

bcs of the Legion specific defilers

[hallow plover]

Yea but the main thing is the same

[winter vessel]

the Chaos Crab

[hallow plover]

It's ok there's this bad boy:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/07/Plaguehulk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140409155933

[arctic talon]

Thats a plague hulk

[hallow plover]

I know

[arctic talon]

isn't that a soul grinder varient?

[hallow plover]

Feels like a good stand-in

Yea

[fallen plaza]

Same with soulgrinders

I also dont get the hate

They are sick looking

[hallow plover]

They're just old sculpts

Still nice tho

[fallen plaza]

Yeah but in particular i see a lot of people say they look ugly

More than i thouht

[storm jungle]

It looks too much like a toy due to being an old model

its like that fucking god awful space marine square-jet that looks like a GI Joe figure

Like the person that designed this should explode

[arctic talon]

Soulgrinders and Defilers can both do with a new mini

[queen laurel]

Even among chaos thingies it has the most edgy energy

Look at the cool mechanical dragon that comes from hell i have