40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

There are very few humans who would put in the effort trying to control the recoil the damn thing

[celest dome]

I don't remember the IG having any tbh

[queen laurel]

"Outside of the Space Marines and Adepta Sororitas, storm bolters are utilized by few elite Imperial forces"

Lex

Only elites that can handle the recoil tend to use them

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean that it's common or at least less rare

[queen laurel]

I didn't say it was common

I'm just saying that normal humans can use it

[celest dome]

I'd say it's still more rare than Heavy Bolters

[rocky gale]

You used to be able to to give your Veteran Sgts Storm Bolters

But that was done away with a few editions ago

[celest dome]

Thanksfully

[queen laurel]

that is a lot bigger than the one Yarrick used

that one seems like it would be more hand held by a space marine or a Terminator

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s varying sizes

They’re not common, but you do see them mounted on vehicles and stuff

For gunners and what not

[rocky gale]

Yea they're mostly mounted on vehicles now

[dusk patrol]

There’s examples like Yarrick and other “normal” humans using them but imagine those miniaturized versions are quite rare

[nocturne crest]

Isn't a bolter pistol different to a bolter?

[arctic talon]

Its just a bolter but semi auto(normally)

[queen laurel]

yeah it's basically a semi automatic bolter that is smaller and packs less punch

[plush mason]

and ofc its a pistol where as the bolter is a rifle

[queen laurel]

Still plenty mind you

[plush mason]

beyond that its the same 2 stage gyrorocket rounds

[arctic talon]

its the same round

not really less punch

[queen laurel]

It doesn't use a smaller caliber?

[arctic talon]

no

[queen laurel]

well that's fun

[arctic talon]

well

one pattern does

the Iknos pattern uses a 50 cal

[queen laurel]

But most of the time it's just a smaller less magazine version of a bolter

[arctic talon]

yeah, smaller, more compact, less ammo, not automatic

They're also rarer/more expensive

then a normal bolter iirc

[queen laurel]

How is a smaller version of the gun more expensive

Sometimes the logistics in this shit confuse me

[arctic talon]

harder to manufacture, needs more precise machining

[queen laurel]

aight i'll buy it

[arctic talon]

also just because less bolt pistols are made

compared to full size bolters

[plush mason]

what is the standard sidearm of the guard?

i assume the laspistol

[celest dome]

Do Bolter have Rifling

[celest dome]

Guardsmen don't usually have side arms

[plush mason]

the officers do afaik

[celest dome]

Only their Lasgun and some melee weapons, like Catachan Swords

Officers do often have Laspistol, Plasma Pistol, Bolt Pistols

[celest dome]

All Bolter in 40k use 0.75 rounds
Heavy Bolter use 0.9, then there are even higher sized rounds but those aren't used by Infantry (unless you take Knights as infantry I guess)

[plush mason]

in more standard terms a bolter is a 20mm where as the heavy is a 25mm

so one is an anti-material rifle and the other is a bushmaster autocanon lol

[celest dome]

Do note that we don't know the length of the rounds, which can also change the rounds effects

[plush mason]

as they are gyrorockets the size of the on board motor is also important

[arctic talon]

they do, at least the common patterns. The bolt rifles absolutely do

stuff like the Godwyn

[fallen plaza]

Jess goodwyn pattern boltah

[arctic talon]

Lol

4e Beasts of Chaos lore starts off with Beastmen genocide

into the remaining beastmen running off into hiding

beasts of chaos are going to be back in 5e or late 4e for sure lol

[queen laurel]

They did it the classic the disrespect

[arctic talon]

They literally say

Word for word

[queen laurel]

The part where they absolutely don't care about the beast of chaos

[arctic talon]

"the beastmen are not finished"

This is like

the most obvious bait for an army rerelease ever

[queen laurel]

How drunk would you get for doing a shot challenge where you take a shot every time the beastmen get disrespected in lore

[arctic talon]

Bro

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-smile-big-teeth-beast-beauty-and-the-beast-gif-16614273

[arctic talon]

you would literally die

[queen laurel]

Just reading the novel of gotrek and felix is probably enough to put you in the hospital for alcohol poisoning

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cygor-total-war-warhammer-beastmen-warhammer-fantasy-dont-run-youll-just-die-tired-gif-19354908

[queen laurel]

Like the only media i know they had even a modest of respect

Is total war

[dusk patrol]

Beastmen are a faction made to get shit on

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

They’re inherently subservient to Chaos and very few are worth a damn

[arctic talon]

They got more respect in AoS then WHFB lol

even with the recent fucking beastman genocide

[queen laurel]

What did gw mean by slaughtering the furry faction

But yeah it's absolutely hilarious how they get railroaded more than Nagash

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcasm-makes-sense-with-sense-well-when-you-say-it-like-that-it-makes-perfect-sense-gif-12118355

[queen laurel]

They are like so low level enemies that it's actually sad and funny

[fallen plaza]

Makes killing them all the more fun

Fighting standard bearers in vermintide is great fun

[dusk patrol]

It’s kinda hard to push the animal people who live in the forests and sometimes form hordes as anything but that.

[fallen plaza]

From what little ive read they seem to be inbetween skaven and orks, but like, chaos.

[crystal forum]

it's an optional pintle mount weapon for a lot of vehicles

[dusk patrol]

Something like that

[crystal forum]

very good for clearing hordes coming too close to your leman russ

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if Commissars have to pay out of pocket for their bolt pistols.

[arctic talon]

doubt it

[dusk patrol]

They choose their loadouts

To some degree

Chain sword and bolt pistol is fairly standard but it’s not their only choice

[queen laurel]

And if they are really special

They can even use special weapons not normally used by commissars

[dusk patrol]

Power swords would be more something given or bought or earned

[fallen plaza]

Dont commissars get the greenlight to get iron halos?

[crystal forum]

power swords are common for commissars but i feel like they go for chainswords for the brutal look

[dusk patrol]

Most don’t but some might

[fallen plaza]

Probably doesnt look good for them

[queen laurel]

Yarrick literally has a power claw which is a xenos weapon not usually allowed to be used by a human but he's so good at doing what he does they let him to keep it

[crystal forum]

fun fact cadian castellans, which represent generic general units, can use full on bolters

infantry sgt's got nerfed to using mag fed autoguns

[fallen plaza]

Bolters arent that uncommon

[dusk patrol]

It’s just expensive to field a massive army with them

They’re specialist weapons

[crystal forum]

guardsmen are used in the tens of thousands on the regular

[dusk patrol]

Same as guardsmen having plasma

[fallen plaza]

Infact most SM vehicles arent that uncommon too, i recall in imperial armor you use to be able to field a relic predator

[dusk patrol]

They’re not gonna give them to everyone, they’re gonna give them to a skilled user for when it’s needed

[nocturne crest]

This might be a silly question, but has anyone ever dual wield Las pistols before?

[crystal forum]

it's like a machine screw costing 1$ compared to 0.1$
it doesnt seem like a lot but when you produce a million it adds up

[dusk patrol]

Mostly not in lore but not because lack of ability

[fallen plaza]

No reason why it shouldnt exist

[dusk patrol]

But because laspistols are kinda…lame you know

They’re gonna give them something cooler if they do that

[storm jungle]

Yes. Theres no rule against it.

[queen laurel]

Yeah these things are not going to punch through a lot of stuff

[fallen plaza]

In 40k people dual wield cooler things

Moritats for example

[crystal forum]

generally pistols are melee weapons in 40k. swords and such just do that job better, look cooler and imagine running out of ammo as you're being swarmed by nids

[nocturne crest]

You could have a lot more shots.

[queen laurel]

Even an ork Ard'boy will just push through las pistol fire like it's nothing

[storm jungle]

Bro my guy asked an akimbo question and yall are mentioning the most unnecessary details 💀

[queen laurel]

Substituting it with a very strong armor piercing weapon would be a good trick

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

There’s a rule for Blackshield Moritats dual wielding las guns in the heresy rules and it’s actually super strong because he can fire an absurd amount of times

[queen laurel]

I like talking

[dusk patrol]

He asked if anyone has

So technically you answered wrong nerd

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

explode

[crystal forum]

i answered

[fallen plaza]

I recall destroyers do dual wield chem bolters too

[queen laurel]

I cast read every single dan abnett book in existence

[dusk patrol]

That’s nothing

Read every Thorpe book

[queen laurel]

And the original the boys comic

[storm jungle]

Abnett is a lot worse

[crystal forum]

technically dreadnoughts dual wield guns if you want

[storm jungle]

WHAT DO DREADS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS

[dusk patrol]

Abnett books are enjoyable

[fallen plaza]

I can one up this

[queen laurel]

My brother in raccoon he asked if a human can dual wield pistols

[dusk patrol]

Thorpe books make me wanna Roblox’s myself

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, the only character that I can think of who dual wields is Cypher

[queen laurel]

Not the giant tank killing machine

[crystal forum]

dreadnought are controlled by humans

[dusk patrol]

Cypher is the main dude

[queen laurel]

Very well you should read both nick and Thorpe's books

[hallow plover]

Thorpe is definitely worse than abnett

[queen laurel]

Every single one no question

[fallen plaza]

Read every single royalty free story and there interpretations

[nocturne crest]

I just can't remember he uses two bolter at once or something else.

[fallen plaza]

Destroyers

[dusk patrol]

Read all 40k labeled fanfic on every nsfw fanfic site

[hallow plover]

Dilara just has ptsd from the end and the death

[queen laurel]

More like the puke and the mid

How the hell did the hrus heresy story take this long

[storm jungle]

Abnett is really overrated as fuck is the thing

[queen laurel]

They weren't just milking it they were just feeding at drugs at this point

[storm jungle]

also like

[hallow plover]

People like spehss marines 🙂

[storm jungle]

i dont trust anyone from Harvard

or was it Oxford

idgaf same thing

[shadow plover]

My Ultramarines can dual wield for sure

[queen laurel]

That is a very specific

[shadow plover]

proof:

[queen laurel]

Thing to hate

[dusk patrol]

I don’t trust anyone from a country named after a bird they don’t even have smh

[hallow plover]

I agree that he's overrated

[crystal forum]

damn that's cool

[nocturne crest]

Beautiful

[storm jungle]

Hes a good author but the meatriding is insane

[crystal forum]

i see you fell for the rule breaking side that i try not to fall into

[queen laurel]

It's not meat riding it's basically buffalo mounting at this point

Like so many people hype up this guy

[nocturne crest]

Inspiring.

[dusk patrol]

Most of the people meat riding him don’t even read anyways

[storm jungle]

They dont even read in general

[fallen plaza]

Proxying is for cool people

[shadow plover]

it's not rule breaking per se, ruleswise he can have an astartes chainsword and a heavy bolt pistol, he just happens to have two and of which he will only use one per shooting phase

[storm jungle]

get his ass Jerk

[crystal forum]

it's not proxying it's just using the two bolt pistol arms that arent supposed to be used together lol

[hallow plover]

He's just idolised by the same people that ships Gman and Yvraine

[storm jungle]

LOL

Theres varying degrees of braindead to those people

but not too far off

[queen laurel]

Skin jay and make a hat out of the corpse

[hallow plover]

Aka people who have never read a 40k book

[crystal forum]

im a bit of a bad boy and used both the plasma pistol and the bolt pistol but my painting is not even 1% of your power

[dusk patrol]

Please

[fallen plaza]

Primarch fan boys 🤮

[hallow plover]

It's just internet circlejerk and hype-up at this point

[dusk patrol]

Never call yourself a bad boy again

[storm jungle]

^

Im getting Will Smith PTSD

[crystal forum]

im a bad boy

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-oscars2022-smack-gif-25234614

Me with Jay when he calls himself a bad boy

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[dusk patrol]

Or herself

[queen laurel]

i will pay kendrick lamar all the money i have if it means he's going to write a diss track about you

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-aniki-kazuya-darashineena-chahan-gif-20020215

[storm jungle]

me when someone asks me to summarize HH

[hallow plover]

Man this is some deep 40k lore 🙂

[storm jungle]

SDFŞSDFSDFDS

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/miguel-o'hara-spider-man-spider-verse-miles-morales-meme-gif-2617586733573544579

[queen laurel]

Welcome to Lore chat where we beat up a random guy for being weird

[fallen plaza]

As it should be

[nocturne crest]

Is there such a thing as a Combi-las bolter?

[dusk patrol]

Probably

But I can’t think of examples

[hallow plover]

Multilasers

[dusk patrol]

Cause that could be lame af

[fallen plaza]

The question is why

[queen laurel]

You can ask @storm jungle for more information how we use hammers to beat someone to death

[fallen plaza]

Like why tho

[dusk patrol]

Calibre

Stop asking for lame stuff

[storm jungle]

Same reason why any imperial weapon exists

why do we have a power chainfix

why do we have a combi-plasma-flamer

etc lol

[fallen plaza]

Because its cool

[hallow plover]

To rip while tearing ofc

[dusk patrol]

Start saying “hey can you do a combi grav and volkite gun?”

[storm jungle]

Bingo

[fallen plaza]

A las combi isnt

[crystal forum]

combi grav gun

[dusk patrol]

It exists

[crystal forum]

rarest imperial weapon

[storm jungle]

ITS LITERALLY the least goofy gun idea in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Yes it is because it’s not cool

[nocturne crest]

Okay.

[dusk patrol]

And 40k is rule of cool

[storm jungle]

just like you nerd

[nocturne crest]

Where is my Storm plasma?

[dusk patrol]

This also exists

Kinda

[queen laurel]

why does this not so big terminator man have a hand that violates someone's way of life three ways with a punch

[crystal forum]

funniest shit is the idea that a combi bolter can be two bolters strapped together as a poor man's storm bolter

[fallen plaza]

Sounds like me when im with your mom

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, that's how the first smg work.

[crystal forum]

what

[dusk patrol]

HE SAID THATS HOW THE FIRST SMG WORK

[fallen plaza]

Ah the first smg, a four barreled shotgun.

[nocturne crest]

The first SMG.

[crystal forum]

ah yes that one

the first

[storm jungle]

wasnt the first smg the MP18

[dusk patrol]

It was actually something more standard issues

[crystal forum]

are you talking about the villar perosa because that wasnt an smg

[dusk patrol]

Used by everyone

Your mom

[storm jungle]

bruh

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

funny now bend over because i will shove a USB stick to your brain that will upload all of the information about the history of GW and marvel and the connection of war thunder about government weaponry funding

[nocturne crest]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Tbh there’s probably a couple “first smgs” since so many nations were making them at the same time

[fallen plaza]

Even with that your still getting a new sibling buddy

[dusk patrol]

And some of the records for that process aren’t the best

[queen laurel]

i already have a sibling that one is gonna be nothing new, and maybe you are going to do something your father is probably proud of for once

[crystal forum]

the "first" of every type of gun was made in some guy's shed 5 years before the first production model was created

[dusk patrol]

Oof deep cuts

[dusk patrol]

Whatever you’ve done with firearms, some redneck in Appalachia did ten years earlier and much less safe

And he used it first on squirrels and raccoons

[crystal forum]

browning is an exception to this rule

he was the shed man

[fallen plaza]

He would love it if i had multiple babes, so if you dont mind, im busy getting more, and your about to be also because im not taking responsibility for the baby 😁

[queen laurel]

you make people like drake proud

amazing

[dusk patrol]

Tfw you make a gun so good the first time people use it for 100+ years after without much updating

[queen laurel]

If Kendrick Lamar meet you he would dedicate a whole new disstrack

[crystal forum]

i dont want to be that guy

but it took a lot more than a first try

[dusk patrol]

Well no shit

And it’s been updated a fair bit and isn’t used as much anymore

Same as the 1911

But still

[crystal forum]

i think the US navy still uses the M2HB a shit ton

[dusk patrol]

The core of it is extremely solid

[fallen plaza]

Gun culture is just so over saturated now saying you like guns is like coming out as a weeb in like 2012

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, the MG42 is still in use somewhat.

[dusk patrol]

Gun culture has been a thing for like

[crystal forum]

if there's a culture to liking gunsmithing and weapons development then keep it away from me

it's just fun

[dusk patrol]

Since way before weebs were even a concept

[fallen plaza]

Yeah but like everything, its in another phase of its life

[crystal forum]

america is based on gun culture and i say that in a jealous way

[fallen plaza]

And it’s currently in the cringe phase

[crystal forum]

fuckers got eugene stoner and john moses browning

[dusk patrol]

Maybe if you’re a stick in the mud

[fallen plaza]

Ive seen all of those gun tubers

Cant take em seriously with how much they larp as military men

[crystal forum]

i just watch forgotten weapons tbh

and read his blogs sometimes

[fallen plaza]

I like him but i think behind the scenes he is an ass, treated in range TV like shit

[crystal forum]

ok

i like learning stuff

[fallen plaza]

Thats fine, hes good at that

Just dont like what I’ve uncovered

[dusk patrol]

A fair amount are former military

[fallen plaza]

Most ive seen arent

[gray umbra]

My favorite is the glock 1911

[crystal forum]

that's a popular one

[nocturne crest]

My favourite is the Sten family.

[fallen plaza]

Amazing that glock managed to collab with colt

[nocturne crest]

Imagine a storm bolter looking like this.

[queen laurel]

a generic double barrel shotgun is mine

[crystal forum]

i will not meme and say that single shot weapons following the development of the brass cartridge but RIGHT before the usage of bolt actions are my favorite weapons

[queen laurel]

ah the Glockinator

[fallen plaza]

Thats fair

They look weird and cool

[nocturne crest]

I wish TAB was still around.

[crystal forum]

these include the martini henry modified for 308. by the british military, the berdan family and springfield trap door

[fallen plaza]

My favorite pistols looks wise are definitely the borcharct, the schwarzlose pistols, and maxim silverman

[gray umbra]

I like the hip tacticool ones

[crystal forum]

i am a sucker for single shot weapons

also large boolet

one day i will own a magnum research BFR

but i will probably have to leave my shitty country

[nocturne crest]

I can understand that.

[rose thorn]

average iron warriors weapon

[nocturne crest]

Nah, that's this:

[gray umbra]

Need more hazard stripes

[crystal forum]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/guns/images/8/8d/CobrayTerminator.png/revision/latest?cb=20190710024725

[crystal forum]

i dont know who both of these character are

[shell mason]

Dirty Perty and Shinji from Eva

Cmon Jay you should know these

Well you a furry so nvm

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9ErQLRudHE/?igsh=Y204cnJ1aDBicmhv

antihero_miniatures

Spit On That Thang 💦

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[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

lol

[fallen plaza]

[queen laurel]

Ah the Jay beat down never ends

[fallen plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832662892134268948/1260108962498482176/image.png?ex=669019ac&is=668ec82c&hm=3e3c125874817cdb1f83c085052f5ffd7ed9e7f4fbf0fcf9ce273ce7c38dc767&

[storm jungle]

supreme bruh moment

[crystal forum]

god fucking damn it i didn't have time to model today

the legally distinct gamma ray pistol remains unfinished

[storm jungle]

art takes time

[rose thorn]

cannonically possible...

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-22882514

[young pecan]

have there been any recorded nut-punches in 40k lore

or is that a dark martial technique lost to time

[crystal forum]

testicles arent often mentioned

[dusk patrol]

It comes up

Most just call them groin hits or whatever

[crystal forum]

groin could be the upper leg

[dusk patrol]

Groin hits is often a nice way to say they hit you in the nuts

Low blow also

[young pecan]

This brings joy for some reason

[rose thorn]

hello chat

[dusk patrol]

“Kicked in the fork of the legs” is another

Stuff like that is mentioned

[young pecan]

That's a new one to me

[fallen plaza]

My leg!

[dusk patrol]

Basically just a way to write that in a serious fight without it sounding goofy

[rose thorn]

drukhari combat;

[crystal forum]

do space ?marines are gay

[rose thorn]

yes

[crystal forum]

[fallen plaza]

If your chaos yes

[rose thorn]

wrong

[fallen plaza]

Yes

[plush mason]

the space marines are literally just a fraternity of space age warriors

what isnt gay about that is the real question

[dusk patrol]

They’re chemically castrated basically

[rose thorn]

if i had a nickle for every half naked space marine being sweaty id have a nickle for every space marine book

[dusk patrol]

They don’t have sexual desires

And don’t understand them mostly

[rose thorn]

gay in the same way batman is gay

[plush mason]

i know, buts its still really funny to mention that fact about warrior cultures lol

[dusk patrol]

Batman fucks

[crystal forum]

ultramarines:
"we're romans"

[dusk patrol]

A lot

Sometimes too much

[crystal forum]

my cat bit my thigh

[rose thorn]

batman has to basically be written like a closeted homosexual according to some writer

[dusk patrol]

Well that writer was dumb

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/playboi-carti-furry-changed-furry-changed-gif-25106934

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of good Batman romance stories

Or love interests he has which were done well

[crystal forum]

i can name you the enemy that causes that animation

dont fucking test me

[rose thorn]

a guy in a black skin tight suit who beats up other tightly dressed men

[rose thorn]

[plush mason]

i had a friend that was using a character from that game for years as his steam pfp and he had no idea what game it was from lol

[crystal forum]

well he's an idiot

[dusk patrol]

I mean if you’re reductive enough you can make anything sound like anything

[fallen plaza]

Guh Barbra gordon

[dusk patrol]

He also rolls around with women in super tight or revealing outfits

And makes out with them a lot

[plush mason]

cat women

[rose thorn]

like not literally gay its just how he is written

[crystal forum]

the enemy is the giant tail

[dusk patrol]

Cat women and poison ivy more times than not make it sexual when they’re fighting him

[crystal forum]

in case you wanted to know

[fallen plaza]

He already fucking dates Barbera Gordon, which is already fucked up

[rose thorn]

Batman writer Grant Morrison has described the superhero as “utterly gay”.

He told Playboy: “He’s very plutonian in the sense that he’s wealthy and also in the sense that he’s sexually deviant. Gayness is built into Batman.

[dusk patrol]

He does it one time in a shitty adaptation

[crystal forum]

i need to play changed again

fuck you for reminding me

[rose thorn]

“I’m not using gay in the perjorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There’s just no denying it. Obviously as a fictional character he’s intended to be heterosexual, but the basis of the whole concept is utterly gay.”

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-ok-saitama-gif-4973579

[rose thorn]

this is teh quote i meant

[dusk patrol]

Grant Morrison sounds like he has a pretty reductive idea of gayness

[fallen plaza]

No thanks to Bruce timm

[rose thorn]

it was the like 90s when this quote came out

[dusk patrol]

It’s more a joke quote anyways tbh let’s be real

[rose thorn]

Morrison added that this was part of the appeal: “I think that’s why people like it. All these women fancy him and they all wear fetish clothes and jump around rooftops to get to him. He doesn’t care – he’s more interested in hanging out with the old guy and the kid.”

[crystal forum]

it's the equivalent of using gay as a slur

[fallen plaza]

Yeah that's pretty gay

[rose thorn]

[dusk patrol]

Batman’s also changed a lot but I mean

He was fucking back then too

[crystal forum]

also asexual just not existing to 90's normal people

[dusk patrol]

Talia existed back then I’m fairly sure

I know Catwomen did

[rose thorn]

yeah he got marreid liek 5 times

[plush mason]

he use to just be superman but not, then he got dark and angsty to better compete with Marvel's new age of heroes

[dusk patrol]

He’s married Catwomen multiple times in different arcs

[rose thorn]

funfact super man is apparently bisexual

which is neat

[dusk patrol]

Wonder women too I believe

Kinda sorta got raped by Talia

[rose thorn]

damn

[dusk patrol]

And had the worst fucking kid ever

[rose thorn]

the brave and the bold too

i fucking lvoe brave and the bodl tho so

[crystal forum]

fuck you all for reading comic books btw

[dusk patrol]

All the other robins should be thanking Damien everyday for making the worst robin contest easy as hell

[fallen plaza]

This ship was a thing since the justice League cartoons

[dusk patrol]

Across different series it’s been suggested different times yeah

[rose thorn]

also shout out to queer coded joker, my friend use to be obsessed with it

[fallen plaza]

I don't, I think most of them are shit

[plush mason]

i was born in the mid 90s which is like the final days of the comic book era

[crystal forum]

it's american so it's shit

[rose thorn]

which yeah joker is liek very closeted queer coded

[fallen plaza]

Okay weeb

[crystal forum]

i hate japan more

[rose thorn]

i just pirate them

[dusk patrol]

Why you guys gotta be such haters smh

[crystal forum]

because it's slop for children

[rose thorn]

reading is cool y'all

[rose thorn]

??????????????

[dusk patrol]

So is a lot of stuff

[plush mason]

almost all of my comic book knowledge is second hand at best lol

[crystal forum]

the pretty pictures

"reading"

[rose thorn]

do you liek visual novels?

[fallen plaza]

Comic superheroes are the definition of pulpy nonsense

[crystal forum]

no

im not a teenager anymore

[dusk patrol]

I’ve read a lot more shit books than bad comics tbh

[crystal forum]

find better books

[rose thorn]

yea you are a warhammer fan of couse you have

[plush mason]

lmao

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of great comics

[rose thorn]

yup

[dusk patrol]

Some suck but it’s easy to select for the good ones these days

[rose thorn]

im a sucker for jonah hex tbh

his comics are great

[fallen plaza]

I was brainwashed into reading all the adult detective books, like from the Kellerman family

[crystal forum]

pure slop

[rose thorn]

also i have read basically every court of owls before it became over doen

the original arc

god i love the court of owls

[plush mason]

the nerd channel has reached a new level of nerdness

[fallen plaza]

Okay normie

[crystal forum]

comic books is where i cross the line

[rose thorn]

how

literally its watching a movie and reading a book at the same time

[plush mason]

are there any 40k comics?

[rose thorn]

like anime with a dub

[crystal forum]

the worst of both worlds

[dusk patrol]

There’s a couple

[rose thorn]

most of them are meh, one was stolen from the original artist

[dusk patrol]

The Calgar one is really good

[plush mason]

ah right

[rose thorn]

oo ill give it a read

i love ultramrines

[dusk patrol]

There is uh

Free samples you can find online

[rose thorn]

literally find it via google images

[plush mason]

where he does a frontflip up to the top of a lord of skulls and rips it's head off

[dusk patrol]

No he just gets up there somehow

They just cut to him ripping it off

[fallen plaza]

Speaking of fronflips

[plush mason]

i just assumed it was when he jumped over it's axe

[fallen plaza]

Was that dawn of war 3 drama of the terminator flipping really that dumb?

I mean I get it it's terminator armor, but like it's tartaros

[plush mason]

its an attack the chapter master can use

he does a frontflip into the air and slams his hammer godsplitter on the ground for a big aoe

[fallen plaza]

I meant there was a whole mockery of it when it was shown

Because it was terminator armor back flipping

[plush mason]

i still cant get over the fact his hammer's name is godsplitter lol

its so damn cheesy

[dusk patrol]

He’s in gravis anyways not terminator

Not that it’s hugely different

[plush mason]

huh?

[dusk patrol]

Calgar

[plush mason]

oh

thought you meant Gabriel

though afaik he ended up with basically Calgar's whole "needed to have his limbs replaced" thing

i guess getting pounded into the dirt by a giant daemon price will do a number on you

[crystal forum]

it's very different

[dusk patrol]

It’s not that different. The mobility is similar

[crystal forum]

one can teleport

[dusk patrol]

Especially in regards to back flipping

[dusk patrol]

Both can, one is built for it better

[crystal forum]

not tabletop wise

[dusk patrol]

Me looking for when we were talking about tabletop

[crystal forum]

lore being a cheap excuse to sell more models:

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

still weren’t talking about tabletop

[outer wave]

So for Maneaters (or any kind of ogre really) that end up retiring in a Order faction city (barring Lizardmen): are they generally reviled by the community?

Or is it that typical "it depends" kind of answer?

[queen laurel]

It depends

yes they are scary but

They are also helpful

Eating humans are bad and all that but having ogres as muscle is a good investment

[outer wave]

So it would generally be a "Helpful but we're keeping you at arm's length" sorta relationship?

[queen laurel]

yes just like in old fantasy

[outer wave]

I see

[queen laurel]

Useful but you're right to be scared with them

[outer wave]

I guess also the ones that are settling down are also the ones that are the most professional ogres too

[queen laurel]

Give them food and money and an ogre is content

[outer wave]

True, I'm just thinking about their bully mentality

[queen laurel]

As long as you're professional with dealing with an ogre and you know how they think it should be easy

[outer wave]

Since fledgling Maneaters are known to be lazy and liable to throwing their weight around

[outer wave]

True true

[queen laurel]

ogres are smart and they wouldn't put themselves in unnecessary problems by eating townspeople unless they are the more tribal ones

[outer wave]

That's mostly true, but you could have a particularly rambunctious ogre that feels he needs his fill now and the guy that just made fun of how he looks is looking particularly tasty

Also yeah more tribal ogres would also influence that

They probably would also die quickly within the city

[queen laurel]

What idiot do you think would insult a 10 feet tall muscular monster that can pick up a tank turret like it's a ******* club?

[outer wave]

I'm sure there's one or two foolhardy folks who have a thing or two to say about ogres

Especially if, I dunno, they lost family to them

[queen laurel]

mate even Stormcast know that ogors are scary

I don't care how much you are traumatized by them keep your ******* mouth shut

[arctic talon]

depends on the city, but generally people would probably be uncomfortable around them

hell

people are uncomfortable around skinks and khainites

for good reason for both arguably lol

[outer wave]

That is mostly because they can eat their reincarnating spirits

[outer wave]

Cuz one is part of an Isolationist group and the other is part of a murder cult,

[queen laurel]

Yeah but why do you want the people to be eaten/

[outer wave]

?*

[arctic talon]

Both of them are murder cults and one of them are super isolationist yes

[queen laurel]

Like even a very belligerent general knows messing with an ogre

[arctic talon]

The Skinks in the Cities of Sigmar tend to root out chaos and uh

[queen laurel]

is gonna get you very bad trouble

[arctic talon]

sacrifice people to the old ones

and sometimes they try to pin it on Khainites

[queen laurel]

imagine bumping into a skink and he calls you a racial slur in lizardmen

[outer wave]

That's an interesting relationship

[arctic talon]

either way the groups that tend to not be looked at the best are like City Ogers, Lizardmen and Khainites

mostly since they're scary

and of the 3, 2 of them actively engage in blood sacrifices lmao

[queen laurel]

and the very rare Iron jaw that somehow didn't kill a guy but put him in critical condition for annoying him

[arctic talon]

lol

but yeah Skinks in Cities of Sigmar are pretty funny

[outer wave]

Oh yeah, Orks also work in some Sigmarite cities, right?

[outer wave]

I know they very rarely can become bodyguards and bouncers

Valid reaction

[arctic talon]

Yeah, hell there's even friendly undead in some

[outer wave]

Really? How does that work?

[arctic talon]

Usually they just hang around

[outer wave]

Aren't they all in pain and misery or something?

[queen laurel]

a lot of undead despise nagash

[arctic talon]

depends on the undead

Nighthaunt yeah

[queen laurel]

and we'll do a lot of things just to get the hell away from him

[arctic talon]

they're all suffering and in agony

[storm jungle]

very relatable

[arctic talon]

but like wights and skeletons

ehhh

‘Oh you mean the Wight that stays down by the rice field? That’s Glimskull. Keeps to himself mostly. Scared the salt out of the lot of us at first, but he’s saved more Dawners than half the Freeguild combined. Wouldn’t break bread with him, mind. But when the ‘reapers come, you’ll be glad he’s on our side... Keeps the birds away from the fields too.’
— Jakub Helios, Grimreach Settlement Farmhand

[queen laurel]

shit the Nighthaunt is here get the salt

[outer wave]

I love Glimskull; I'd give him my bread :)

[arctic talon]

so would I

[outer wave]

Hopefully he doesn't take it as an insult

[arctic talon]

Wights are fully sentient

so doubt it

[outer wave]

Oh good

Implying those without would take offense?

[arctic talon]

I mean

those without full sentience might not understand whats going on fully

[outer wave]

Ah that's true

[queen laurel]

yeah like the ritual of soulbound literally have like Knight-Questor walk Around with a Wardokk and Crypt Infernal Courtier

[arctic talon]

stuff like a normal skeleton might not really get it

but a grave guard or more "alive" skeleton would

[queen laurel]

Like you see this storm cast the god king's personal warrior

walk in with a bumbling green idiot

[arctic talon]

also one of the new cities of sigmar characters

is heavily implied to be like

[queen laurel]

and a very savage ghoul

[arctic talon]

the skeleton

not the woman

one moment

[outer wave]

The skeleton he says?

[arctic talon]

in lore some attacks have just phased through

the woman

[queen laurel]

Faith in the GOATED emperor

[arctic talon]

the implication is that she's some sort of lich or powerful undead skeleton

[queen laurel]

But she works for Sigmar?

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

So she's like a storm cast in a weird way

[arctic talon]

no

She's just a powerful undead who works for sigmar

[winter vessel]

Couldn’t tell those were candles, thought that was like blood or pieces of flesh

[queen laurel]

aight thanks

[arctic talon]

that would be gnarly

either way she literally drains the life from the enemies of simgar

as in like turns them into old husks that wither and die so I think most signs point to her being a lich lol

also she's incredibly good at stopping other mages from casting spells

[winter vessel]

Yeah that’s on point

[arctic talon]

so like

[queen laurel]

Nagash definitely be staring at her

[winter vessel]

And “Drains the life”. sounds like your typical 9 to 5 manager

[arctic talon]

there's also the whole she can just make an enemy wizard fucking explode

if they try casting magic around her lol

[queen laurel]

Isn't that just like pretty generic skill for a powerful sorcerer

Where you use some kind of magical thingy to make their magical energy unstable

[arctic talon]

its the way they explode rather, they explode with death magic lol

should have specified that

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah wolf what happened to the dragons

[arctic talon]

Which dragons

oh

[queen laurel]

not cathay

just the classic 4 legged winged ones

[arctic talon]

Like just Dragons as a whole in AoS?

they exist

[queen laurel]

Renowned storm cast ride them right

or is that a completely different species

[arctic talon]

yeah those are dragons

[outer wave]

I know nothing of Elspeth, but she sounds similar to her for some reason

[queen laurel]

are Draconith basically the only type of Dragons left

or are they basically a special kind of dragon

[arctic talon]

Special type of dragon

there's still a lot of dragons around

[arctic talon]

Elspeth isn't kind of evil

I'd say

She doesn't run a literal cult that sacrifices chaos followers lol

[queen laurel]

but Draconith would basically mop the floor with the normal warhammer fantasy dragon right

[arctic talon]

idk

[rocky gale]

Elspeth isn't evil

[queen laurel]

I will say it's honestly a toss up then

Elspeth is morally grey

she does bad stuff but she also helps people in equal measure

[outer wave]

No, probably not anyway, but something about the lich part sounds similar to Elspeth's agelessness and apparent resurrection

[queen laurel]

She's just very creepy but she still is a loyal empire person

[rocky gale]

I mean the bad stuff she does is exploding heretics

[queen laurel]

To be fair she did give a loyal knight an amulet that exploded

[rocky gale]

Hilarious

[outer wave]

He got pranked

[queen laurel]

yeah it is

[arctic talon]

I didn't say Elspeth was evil

prolly should have specified that lol

[queen laurel]

too bad you didn't specify quicker nerd

now perish

[rocky gale]

Yea we've already made an assumption and it has been set in stone

[arctic talon]

[outer wave]

So yeah Elspeth is just slightly more white on the morally grey meter and this lich is more black on that same meter

[celest dome]

Elspeth doesn't really have anything bad to her resume

[outer wave]

Isn't she kinda sketchy due to using death magic and being somehow ageless?

[celest dome]

Kroak from wish

[arctic talon]

LOL

[queen laurel]

Speaking of is there anyone in age of sigmar that can even challenge that demented toad in terms of magical might

[celest dome]

Other than gods, even mortal ones, no one I'd wager

[queen laurel]

the frog is yet again magical

[outer wave]

The frog is once again based

[arctic talon]

Only kroak

[queen laurel]

so it literally has to be a god to even challenge his magical might

[arctic talon]

Kairos like, can get close if he’s juiced up by tzeentch lol

Kroak still wins

[queen laurel]

ah yes I can imagine Kairos trying to magic kroak and Kroak goes Lmao and fries him golden brown

[outer wave]

Kroak looking at Kairos as if he were a pebble in his shoe

[dusk patrol]

🌌 ✌️

[celest dome]

Lord of changes are for the most part more skilled, but aren't as powerful as 1st and 2nd generation Slann

[crystal forum]

grip is done can't take screenshot with shitty work laptop i want to punch a hole through the screen

[dusk patrol]

I would recommend against that

[crystal forum]

let me tell you something

a couple of weeks after getting this laptop i noticed that it wasnt charging when plugged in

i go to the IT guy who keeps it for the whole day so i can't do anything

turns out the fucking piece of shit equipment needed an update to fix a charging issue

IT NEEDED AN UPDATE TO CHARGE

[fallen plaza]

Give it some truck nuts on the front

[viral halo]

would you say it's.....grippy?

[fallen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-aniki-kazuya-darashineena-chahan-gif-20020215

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/climbing-titan-games-strong-get-a-grip-grip-gif-20034424

[viral halo]

shame he died so young

[fallen plaza]

😢

[storm jungle]

man these space marine gifs are getting weird

[outer wave]

They're getting good

[hallow plover]

I feel like they're lore accurate

[winter vessel]

'Dancing with the Astartes'

[outer wave]

I wish we got this version of Space Marines

[winter vessel]

Somewhere on a Battle Barge there's at least one space marine going full Kevin Bacon in 'Footloose'. Dancing out his frustration

[hallow plover]

Dancing according to the Codex Astarsteps

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/bRvP4FCO9S8?si=55hpC_BsCnTtubVG

[outer wave]

God bro has some moves

If I were a woman or very gay, would absolutely swoon over this

[plush mason]

dude's last name is literally Bacon, he cant not be great

[winter vessel]

being introduced to this film at a young age(my folk grew up in the 80s) actually shattered the illusion of being afraid to dance at public events and parties. It was " F*** whatever the guy next to me is thinking, i'm letting loose and not leaning against a wall like he is".

[outer wave]

Hell yeah dude

[plush mason]

foot loose was among the greatest movies of it's generation

[winter vessel]

it's also what altered my taste in music for the next seventeen years of my life. I don't know wth most youth listen to nowadays.

[crystal forum]

did some grip pattern to match the image

[arctic talon]

cool

[crystal forum]

should be done soon

just need to make the entire thing an assembly of parts that fit together

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-sauna-water-head-pour-gif-13954605579379411546

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-oh-shit-a-am-sorry-gachimuchi-gif-13510847

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/super-saiyan-gif-25367895

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-jake-gyllenhaal-jack-twist-heath-ledger-ennis-del-mar-gif-17133697

[dusk patrol]

Wow man don’t be gay

[outer wave]

Erm, provide evidence?

[dusk patrol]

I thought we were just hugging eachother form the back like homies do

[outer wave]

Kissing homies isnt gay bro

[dusk patrol]

It’s not kissing practice day yet

Duh

That’s weekends only

[outer wave]

Nah we're just getting some early practicing in now

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-so-hot-summer-sweating-sweating-hard-gif-16045826

[dusk patrol]

Me when I’m making sure bro knows how to kiss properly before he goes on a first date

[winter vessel]

The last time I saw two guys kissing in a film was in Hitch with Will Smith and Kevin James

[crystal forum]

it's better in real life smh

[crystal forum]

man the amount of people who believe that bolters would kill humans if they tried to shoot them

granted i was part of this

once

i think the reason i used to believe this is because i thought space marines were much bigger than humans

[crimson oasis]

Is this the channel where people actually like 40k?

[crystal forum]

ok

[crimson oasis]

I've seemingly only been in chats with people that don't even like 40k.

So I came here

For refuge

👀

[crimson oasis]

It probably still could

The blow back from that thing could break your arm.

[sacred ginkgo]

Then there’s the dude that fires a heavy Bolter standing

But the amount of damage a person takes from firing a Bolter is dependent on their training with the thing

Reason why it’s special issue for guard

This also made me think about how the fuck does zealot have perfect reload drill with every weapon

[crystal forum]

bolters are not that bad for humans

there is no reason to believe that they are

humans use them all the time

[dusk patrol]

They’re heavy, so the recoil isn’t as bad as you’d think

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah, but I imagine mag dumping one the first time you pick it up is probably going to hurt you

[dusk patrol]

The bigger issue is it’s fucking heavy and ammo is fucking heavy and expensive

[sacred ginkgo]

Also volatile

Or at least more than usual

[dusk patrol]

Lasguns also work for a shitton of things fine

[crystal forum]

bolts are also not conventional ammunition. they're the most documented projectile type we know of

[sacred ginkgo]

Isn’t there like one actual gyrojet gun that exists

[crystal forum]

idk why people act like they're just full on 20mm cannon rounds

[misty brook]

The ones that Space Marines use will blow your arms off.

[crystal forum]

this is untrue

[misty brook]

Why do you think Sisters of Battle have their own versions.

[crystal forum]

space marine bolters do not use bigger cartridges than the one we use in game

bolters are also not as big as people think

[crystal forum]

this is a retired model

a current model that uses a normal bolter would be the cadian castellan

[sacred ginkgo]

I know very well

But it gets a point across

[dusk patrol]

They might cause issues if you fired full auto but they’re just super heavy

Bigger payload

[crystal forum]

guess where the term gyrojet comes from

[dusk patrol]

Someone super jacked could use one maybe but it’s not practical for most

[crystal forum]

gyrojet isn't just a type of gun it's a brand name

[crystal forum]

someone super jacked could use a heavy bolter

[dusk patrol]

Well one person maybe

Harker is the exception to a lot of rules

[crystal forum]

40k stuff might look heavy but that's the tabletop effect causing blocky appearance

[dusk patrol]

Marine heavy bolters are really fucking heavy

[crystal forum]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s not practical for most normal dudes to use one, even marines struggle a bit with them firing

[crystal forum]

not to mention they always seem connected to the power plant backpack thing

but still the fact that's possible means it's not way beyond the human limit

[plush mason]

and one does lol

a catachan

dude is like ogryn sized

[misty brook]

Unless they're specificaly made for them. There was a book about an inquisitor who picked up a space marine's gun and fired it which got their arms broken from the recoil.

[plush mason]

sadly the black library has no uniformity when it comes to the lore

one writer has that happen while another has the bolter as near standard issue for a regiment lol

hell afaik Dan tends to write the space marines has glorified idiots and canon fodder

[misty brook]

Which Space Marines was that again?

[plush mason]

idk it was in one of the Gaunt's ghosts books iirc

but my point was most of the authors have different understandings and views on the various elements of the lore

so there is a lot of contradictions

[crystal forum]

which book

[plush mason]

and hell bolters have been an option for the guard in the TT for years

and GW's stance is always TT>lore

[crystal forum]

we literally use a bolter in game

and there is no indication that bolters use different cartridges

[plush mason]

in terms of physics a bolter is fully human useable as well, the weight of the gun+ the limited propelant in the first stage ejector casing means the recoil would be minimal

the only real problem is fatigue

[arctic talon]

do you have a source? I've seen this repeated but never sourced

the only thing I've read with a human using a marine weapon and breaking their bones was an Interrogator using a Croazius

[crystal forum]

it's just one of those entry level common mistakes people make about lore and repeat forever as a fact

[arctic talon]

and it shatters like her ribs + arms when she hits someone with it lol

[misty brook]

The Emperor's Gift.

[plush mason]

do the corazius work like thunder hammers?

[arctic talon]

its a power maul

the reason it discharges so violently is because its damaged

[plush mason]

as in they build up a charge and dump it all in one hit?

[arctic talon]

But its noted picking it up makes her entire body scream in pain and its far too heavy for her to use properly

[arctic talon]

No

its a conventional power weapon

[plush mason]

ok

[misty brook]

Even Power Armour doesn't help.

[arctic talon]

she wasn't in power armor

iirc

[plush mason]

it would be strange for an interrogator to have power armor afaik

[arctic talon]

nvm she was in power armor

[arctic talon]

her inqusitor is rich

I'd guess

[plush mason]

yeah

thats what i was about to say lol

[arctic talon]

I race towards it, discarding my laspistol, and reach for the crackling weapon. Lifting it nearly breaks my ribs – it is as heavy as a man, and my power armour strains to compensate. Disruptor charge snakes and lashes about me, and the thing shudders in my grip as if alive. I can barely hold on to it, let alone use it, but Erastus is now in mortal danger.

‘For the Emperor!’ I cry, mimicking his strident roars, and throw myself at the creature.

I swing the maul at its spine, two-handed, putting all my weight into the blow. This betrays my ignorance – the weight and power of it is far too much, and as it connects I realise my error. My arms are smashed even through my armour, and the wave of pain makes me scream out loud. The released disruptor charge explodes, throwing me clear of the impact and cracking open ceramite plate. I cannot release the maul – it remains in my grip, locked by ruined gauntlets amid gouts of flame.

Also this shit has to be way heavier then a man lol

if power armor is straining at lifting it lol

[plush mason]

^

even if human power armor isnt shit next to space marine power armor its still power armor

[arctic talon]

Power armor doesn't struggle to lift things heavier then a fully grown human

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really

[arctic talon]

Either way that croazius is fat

[dusk patrol]

It depends but lots of interrogators are kitted the fuck out if they’re more combat focused

[misty brook]

If you think that's insane. A Custodes got ganged up on by two ogryns. He just flexed to break the grapple and punched one through the Ogryn's chest that it went out his back. The other Ogryn ran away and he killed him with a simple flick of a pebble through his brain.

[crystal forum]

i love how it just fucking explodes

and explodes her arms just from the impact

[crystal forum]

least powerful lore custodes

[dusk patrol]

They weren’t combat Ogryns and it’s the difference between raw power and raw power + skill + speed

[misty brook]

For this it's genetics.

[dusk patrol]

The Ogryns were/are similar strength to him

The difference is he’s way faster, smarter and more skilled

Ogryns are good at close quarters combat but they’re not more skilled than marines and definitely not Custodes

If they can get a good grip that’s when it gets dangerous, and they’re very tough and difficult to put down

Plus it’s not typically one Ogryn

They’re still pretty ideal for dealing with targets like that if you have to but in a fight all things equal the marines and to a greater extent Custodes have a big advantage

also not all Ogryns are made equal and the ones in that short iirc were just laborers

Combat hardened Ogryns and if you wanna get more extreme Charonites for 30k or Plague Ogryns are a much bigger pain in the ass.

[outer wave]

Are ogryns as strong as custodes in lore or is that just a tabletop thing?

[dusk patrol]

In the short iirc he describes them as matching him fairly well

[outer wave]

POWER

[dusk patrol]

He breaks free but that’s because he knows how

He’s not in his armor also

They’re definitely supposed to be on average stronger than marines

[outer wave]

Honestly the fact that ogryns have the capability to flick a rock through someone's skull is terrifying

Not that they could easily but that is a fun thought

[dusk patrol]

Well flick maybe would be a little too subtle

Now yeet a rock

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

[misty brook]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-ogryn-rock-gif-10374488513425509350

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[misty brook]

Also how do you even Vat grow a Ogryn? Like where do you even get the D.N.A. from exactly. Because that Ogryn who was cloned has got to be smart.

[dusk patrol]

They don’t clone them really

They’re just gestating them in a lab

Ogryn worlds where they raise their young are highly valued worlds too

Vat growing tends to produce less than ideal results

Cloning is almost always a bad idea

[misty brook]

I guess that's one way. At least it isn't like Fabius Bile with his clones. Like you don't know which one is real, until you examine the remains.

[dusk patrol]

Clones in 40k have like

Cosmic bad luck built in

[misty brook]

I can see that.

[thorn zenith]

Especially if theyre on the side of good guys

[misty brook]

Drukhari trying to clone the Emperor is still on going too I think.

[dusk patrol]

Nah they stopped that

Blew it all up

[plush mason]

well "stopped"

[misty brook]

How about their own version of the Golden Throne they were building?

[crystal forum]

clones are comedically bad luck

[plush mason]

they pulled a page from the sitcom playbook and had the plot reset like the only thing didnt happen so no one knows if anything ever came of it

||all the humans involved are M.I.A. and the Drukhari will never talk about it again||

tbf the carrion throne books had such massive implications for the setting that it had to get the sitcom plot reset treatment

[dusk patrol]

It’s not the first time books have done stuff like that.

There’s been multiple series with setting ending events which get resolved more or less by the end or put back into the cabinet

And that’s not even including more minor stuff which would still be a fairly big deal like Clonegrim or whatever

[plush mason]

yeah

Clonegrim had such massive potential as a setting changer in a lot of ways, only to end up a trophy in a skeleton robot's collection case

[misty brook]

Question. Why did Gulliman name Sanguinius heir to the throne in Imperium Secundus and not himself or the Lion?

[arctic talon]

Because sanguinius was loved

Lion doesn’t give a shit about ruling

[dusk patrol]

Sanguinius was an icon, also it would have looked really bad if Guilliman made himself

Sanguinius being the most reluctant and least volatile was a good combo

[tough haven]

whats the ost that plays in the relay station mission

[misty brook]

Alright. Also do we know why Vulkan was the only Perpetual out of all the Primarchs?

[dusk patrol]

Not really, it’s not even clear if it was intentional

[misty brook]

Yea. Weird too that his not a Psyker as well.

[fallen plaza]

All primarchs are psychic in one way or another

[misty brook]

I know that. But Vulkan is a Perpetual and those humans are pretty powerful Psykers too. Erda took on four greater daemons of each Chaos God by herself. Except for those who were made into a Perpetual.

[dusk patrol]

Like all primarchs he probably had/has the potential to do similar things but dude pursue it

Guilliman believes he could unlock a lot of his potential but it concerns him doing so

[tough haven]

Are psykers taught about daemons in their training or are they just told “don’t go too deep or listen to the voices or bad things happen”?

[dusk patrol]

They're definitely taught about them and to be super vigilant and not listen to the voices and all that.

[tough haven]

Ah, I assumed it differed depending on the situation

If they follow their ignorance is strength policy and just give them rituals to follow or not

[dusk patrol]

It’s part of why unsanctioned psykers are such a risk not even including them being bound

They’re not necessarily extensively trained in all of it but they definitely know they’re there and to kill themselves rather than be possessed

Which is typically what happens if you draw too hard on the warp and fuck up

[tough haven]

The best policy wouldn’t be to just say that the voices lie, but that they speak glimpses of partial truths, for that is how the best deceptions are woven

[dusk patrol]

Mostly they can’t really not be aware of it since it’s there for them to see

[tough haven]

Cause there’s plenty of times where psykers have a daemon speak to them and tell them some minor secret or something that causes them to start to trust the daemon in some small manner

Which is deadly

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely a unfortunate scenario

[tough haven]

They are flux incarnate, they rarely if ever stick to their word, and definitely not without a twist

[dusk patrol]

Daemons always lie is a saying for a reason

Even when they’re telling the truth they’re not really basically, they have a underlying motive and can’t be trusted

[tough haven]

Theres a quote that goes something like this "Daemons are lies made manifest, only a fool would trust them, but they are creatures of greed, ambition, and pettiness, and those are things I trust entirely"

fairly sure its from Abbadon, cant remember

Point is, dont trust or deal with daemons if you can, but if you have to or encounter one, they can be manipulated to be predictable

[tough haven]

Again, web of lies with a thread of truth

[thorn zenith]

"If he tells you that snow is white, he's lying"

[tulip brook]

The voices saved me for years in this bleak world and taught me so many incredible things. What does the loud preacher in golden clothes know calling them demons...

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-big-wwe-randy-orton-gif-19829301

[storm jungle]

Entire reason I made this image for it whenever someone says that lol

We got so much official art of people just normally using bolters without issue so like lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah then they call you some kind of racist person for talking to them that way

[arctic talon]

what

[queen laurel]

I call it the warhammer fan defense

throw in a lot of fucking accusations at the motherfucker

[storm jungle]

[thorn zenith]

i mean, wouldnt there be a caveat of human scaled bolter and SM bolter?

[arctic talon]

It wouldn't kill you

but it would fucking hurt

[queen laurel]

no a human can fire a fullsized bolter

[arctic talon]

its just clunky

and painful

no real reason to unless you're desperate for a weapon

[queen laurel]

The one the veteran uses in dark tide are

Definitely a bit smaller

[arctic talon]

they're for arbites yeah

[queen laurel]

But a human can fire a full sized bolter

Hell if you are physically strong enough you can even use a heavy one

[storm jungle]

Also like

humans can fire 50. cals IRL too no problem

you will just get massive pushback

this stupid "arm break" thing is just shitty dark heresy lore

lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh

bruising for sure lol

but yeah firing a normal bolter is no problem

[queen laurel]

Yeah they think that once you fire a bolter you will fly with it like how Barry steak fries flies with a mini gun jetpack in jetpack joyride

[dusk patrol]

Ok well do you have any art proving they survived their first shot?

This is obviously a before/after shot

The recoil was so bad it broke his other arm!

[misty vector]

He’s on the phone explaining to the boss that he broke his arm again

Yeah… the bolt pistol again…

[storm jungle]

lmao i knew id regret including that picture

[dusk patrol]

I will say I wouldn’t be firing a bolt pistol with that arm regardless of how safe it is for humans to fire

[storm jungle]

What can go wrong with firing any firearm with a wounded arm

[queen laurel]

Accidentally shooting a random pedestrian?

[storm jungle]

[thorn zenith]

"accidentally"

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/TsI3fHUOlQM?si=y-dyFmIOQh4NM9gk

[sacred ginkgo]

I wonder how bad it is to support that barrel

[tough haven]

Not all the voices are bad, but like 90% of them are

Sometimes they can hear the dead or other non daemon Voices

[tough haven]

Bolt pistols in general seem iffy for more than one shot in a short period of time

You better hope your target is nearby

It’s the same as just firing any high caliber pistol, like you have more length to absorb the shock and a relatively lighter weapon, its just gonna flop around quite a bit

[plush mason]

remember the standard bolter is a 20mm

we have those irl

they can dislocate the shooter's shoulder if not careful though, but the bolter wouldnt have near as much recoil as the current 20mm rifle

[crystal forum]

what we have is 20mm cannon/autocannon rounds

[plush mason]

and a few short lived simi-auto rifles

[rocky gale]

Obviously we should make the Brutus Jr, a 20mm pistol drum fed pistol.