40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

The investigators being a good

[wicked lion]

i always just thought they were larger

[young pecan]

painaxe

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Slightly to help them chew through people

[queen laurel]

Not the most powerful power field

But they do have them

[celest dome]

I want Fire Evicerators

[arctic talon]

I’d just assume it’s a powere field enveloped chain axe

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Therefore a “power” axe

[wicked lion]

well ill be damned

huh

interesting

guess that means zealot technically has a power weapon

[queen laurel]

Weapon customization in 40k is only really limited by budget and materials

You can make some pretty crazy home brew weapons for your character

[young pecan]

Is thunder hammer not a power weapon?

[celest dome]

It is

[queen laurel]

It is

[celest dome]

Thunder weapon and Shock weapons are sub categories of Power weapons

[queen laurel]

That's why it's called a thunder hammer

[wicked lion]

thats literally JUST a chainsaw lmao

[queen laurel]

Because the power field when you hit something with it literally feels like a thunderbolt

[arctic talon]

It’s just a weird power weapon

[queen laurel]

Just a very small model

For human use

[young pecan]

I figured but was confused by the zealot power weapon statement

[wicked lion]

OH SHIT YEAH I FORGOR

dawg im stupid

XD

zealot has 2 powerweapons

[crystal forum]

most realistic depiction of a chain weapon

[young pecan]

So power hammer and thunder hammer aren't necessarily synonyms but thunder is moreso a subtype?

[wicked lion]

i guess that means zealot has the MOST powerweapons

[young pecan]

LOL no worries

[celest dome]

Power: Disruption field on the weapon
Thunder: Charge up the field and discharge it on hit
Shock: Power the weapon but with electricity or with lesser Disruption fields

[queen laurel]

Shock is for police brutality

[celest dome]

It's a variant, you could have Power Swords, Thunder Swords and Shock Swords

[queen laurel]

But giving one to an ogryn

[celest dome]

As well as a couple of other rarer thing

[queen laurel]

I feel like nothing would be left

At the thing they hit

[wicked lion]

most powerweapons use their fields to cut through stuff, ie, constantly on in a little field around the edge of the blade

thunderhammers function entirely differently
instead, they basically discharge their field in a split second at the time of impact

[young pecan]

I feel like thunder swords wouldn't be as effective at discharging as a thunder hammer unless there's some funny writing as to why

[celest dome]

Probably

[wicked lion]

thunder other things, if they exist at all, barely exist

i cant think of one ive ever seen??

[celest dome]

Thunder atm we only know for Hammers

[wicked lion]

its the only one that really makes sense

[arctic talon]

I'd assume there's probably a thunderfist

lol

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah Blossfeldia liliputana, how do phase weapons and power swords react to each other when they collide

[wicked lion]

also, custodians have power spears
thats what their guardian spears are!

[queen laurel]

The other one is in a constant state of vibration through dimensions

While the other one can literally cut through just about everything because of a atom cutting power field

[celest dome]

Maces, Flails, Spears...

[young pecan]

Could you classify ironhelm as power and thunder at the same time? Since it cleaves through lesser mass until it hits something chunkier?

[wicked lion]

i guess a power mace could make sense, but they arent direcitonal like a hammer is
same with flails

[young pecan]

Or do thunder weapon impacts get decided by the user and that's just when our characters do it in game

[wicked lion]

we HAVE power spears

custodian spears

[crystal forum]

GW should call the class "powered weapons" and leave power weapons to force field ones

[arctic talon]

Nah, its still got the discharge effect so its a Thammer

[wicked lion]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Guardian_spear

[celest dome]

Power cut chain
But can be blocked by other Power as well as Phase weapons
Phase weapons are iirc able to damage Power weapons but not in the same way that Power does on Chain

[young pecan]

Fair nuff

[queen laurel]

So it's just basic collision?

[arctic talon]

phase weapons are fucking weird

they violate physics lol

like most necron weapons

[crystal forum]

this is 40k

[celest dome]

It'll still damage the Power Sword

[arctic talon]

same with Nurgle "plague" weapons

some shitty death guard combat knife

can chip a fucking powersword

[queen laurel]

Okay so the power sword would be the one that will break first

[arctic talon]

because of how warp corrupted it is

[celest dome]

Yes

[crystal forum]

genestealer claw puncturing terminator armour

[arctic talon]

genestealers rip through ship bulkheads

so

meh

[queen laurel]

That's not really the most ridiculous thing that's just like an ant eater breaking through concrete because of their claws

These things are basically the pinnacle of evolution

[celest dome]

Probably coated in acids

[queen laurel]

So them having sharp claws isn't that ridiculous

It's probably monomolecular in edge

[crystal forum]

it's the fact that it's straight up shearing through metal instead of like tearing it open or something

[wicked lion]

think of it this way
you can use an ignition source to create both a flame
and an explosive

blades are flames
thunder hammers are explosions

but function off the same tech, just used differently

[young pecan]

You'd think bites would be more leaned into than claws because bite force could easily be more devastating

[queen laurel]

Yeah but there's also the fact that in superhero stuff chain is supposed to break on its weakest point not break apart like a f****** snapped spaghetti

Trust me getting stuck on tiny details like that is not going to get you any fun in life

[crystal forum]

why am i being told this

[arctic talon]

you would

[queen laurel]

I find it entertaining and amusing

[crystal forum]

im making an example of 40k's ridiculousness

[celest dome]

Emprahs Copper advocating for vore

[queen laurel]

Vore this vore that

Why don't you vore some bitches

Now that's a horrific image

[crystal forum]

bet

[wicked lion]

do not vore the SOB

[young pecan]

Do NOT vore bitches

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-question-reaction-meme-gif-24120374

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pufferfish-fish-stare-finana-ryugu-gif-25958989

[spring cairn]

1 more mention of vore and i'm doxxing you

[arctic talon]

lets talk about drukahri instead

[queen laurel]

The best way to mentally break them is to teleport them around right

Brief warp exposure

[crystal forum]

do you think drukahri discord would have moderators who make sure the chat doesn't become SFW

[arctic talon]

no

[crystal forum]

that phrase sucks

[arctic talon]

a kabals discord would be 1984

[crystal forum]

i will remake it

[queen laurel]

Of course you will you tank eating gopher

[crystal forum]

i like tanks!!

[arctic talon]

at everyone, please do not announce to the server about torturing your trueborn kid. This has been a reoccuring issue and I'm not sure why some people have such underdeveloped social skills that they think a server of fellow Kabalite's would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering where that hand has been). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

If it occurs, you will be warned, then additional occurrences will be dealt with at the discretion of modstaff. Thanks.

[queen laurel]

They should rapidly teleport the guy who break the role

[young pecan]

FUCCKKK I was just torturing my trueborn kid, where else am I supposed to talk about it

[queen laurel]

In the mental asylum

[arctic talon]

you don't get banned off of drukhari discord, they livestream your brutal execution before you get revived by a haemonculi

[queen laurel]

But teleportation torture

[arctic talon]

why teleport

when knife do trick

[queen laurel]

Because i want them to stare at slannesh for a few seconds

[crystal forum]

simple measures are for eldari

we kill with style

[young pecan]

I think it would be really funny if Drukhari refined teleportation tech to be perfectly consistent

...just for torture reasons

[arctic talon]

lol

just so some Eldar gets to have a staring contest with a daemon of slaanesh

before getting dragged out the warp

[storm jungle]

It is already pretty consistent

they open portals wherever they want for raids

[arctic talon]

those are via webway no?

[storm jungle]

the 9th edition codex has an artwork of it

[arctic talon]

not punched through the warp directly

[queen laurel]

Yeah but you know what would be so funny if you you know

Puncture a hole for the warp to leak into the portal

[storm jungle]

Yep

[queen laurel]

Make it such a fun party to rave in

[young pecan]

I thought the other day we were saying it was very risky to use

[storm jungle]

Yes

for imperials

lol

Dark Eldar got all sorts of tech

[young pecan]

umies do everything worse

[arctic talon]

thats just normal teleportation

stuff like warpspiders

which are a craftworld aspect shrine

though granted their teleportation tech seems reliable

[crystal forum]

drukhari would literally learn to capture black holes just to put people in the event horizon so their perception of time stretches to infinity and they therefore suffer forever

[arctic talon]

the issue is more so uh

the fact that sometimes they don't come back out

[storm jungle]

they already capture black holes and suns

so uh not too far off

[arctic talon]

(they get grabbed by daemons)

[young pecan]

Has this happened or is this really good creativity on your part

[rocky gale]

Yea, Darklance weaponry is basically shooting a black hole at someone

[storm jungle]

It has

[queen laurel]

Literally the first plot of rogue trader game

[crystal forum]

i dont know

[storm jungle]

almost as far back as 5th edition

[arctic talon]

good creativity regarding the putting someone on the event horizon

but the Drukhari do capture suns and blackholes

[queen laurel]

It was fun to watch when i blew open their skulls

[arctic talon]

LOL

[young pecan]

Poor bastard(s?)

[storm jungle]

theres also a necron planet which is stuck on the event horizon of a black hole

and they experience time extremely slowly

and are stuck in like ancient times

its where Cawl is going for his next book

[queen laurel]

If he comes out of the planet and it's already been like 500 years it's going to be so f****** funny

[young pecan]

Mad bastard

[crystal forum]

i love how 40k timeline is so convoluted that cawl could spend 5000 years there and it would still make sense

[rocky gale]

I bet he's going to grab the planet with an oversize loony tunes hook and pull it away from the Black Hole.

[crystal forum]

side note black holes are so rarely mentioned in 40k it's kinda weird for a sci fi

[queen laurel]

To be fair i don't really think they can constantly hold their shape because of how the universe of 40k works

[arctic talon]

I think they're just "mundane"?

at least by the horrors of the galaxy standards

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Some factions might just straight up steal the damn thing

[storm jungle]

they are mentioned quite a lot

its more that they dont really matter

[crystal forum]

OR the imperium doesnt give a shit because learning physics is for tau losers

[arctic talon]

me when pocket blackhole DAOT superweapon

[queen laurel]

Yeah i would be more scared to the faction that can summon avatars of war gods than some space suction thingy that has the same gravitational properties as a star

[scenic bolt]

just dont fly into the black hole

glorified hard to see navigational hazard

[crystal forum]

isn't that terrifying in its own way

without any light to backdrop it, it would literally be invisible

[storm jungle]

Yeah but blackhole horror is kinda overdone

[queen laurel]

Yeah it has been reduced to just a scary obstacle unfortunately

[scenic bolt]

you got gravitational lensing but BL rarely elucidates on the scan rate and resolution of imperial sensors

[queen laurel]

You can avoid it if you pay attention to it with a lot of your scanners and stuff

[crystal forum]

i dont think it will ever be overdone

because it's still terrifying

[queen laurel]

It's terrifying but you have seen it multiple times that it has become quite numb is what she means

[crystal forum]

i haven't

[arctic talon]

Me when ghoul stars

[queen laurel]

I mean yeah i wouldn't want to be going into a black hole but like it's been used in fiction so much it's basically

Just not that scary anymore

Godzilla survived one bowser survived one

This fictional characters survived one

It's been used way too much

[young pecan]

So much about space is scary

Lots to work with

[crystal forum]

the most hostile environment to humanity is like 99.999% of the universe

[scenic bolt]

40k's more science fantasy which is harder to make harder scifi horror work in a setting that's got actual space magic

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

and nobody wants to read about this

[crystal forum]

criminal lack of mechanical horror 😔

[arctic talon]

Me when servitor factory in flesh and blood

[crystal forum]

i do

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

yesss i just want more

i dont feel scared of fleshy horroy

[storm jungle]

You =/= the Wider Audience

[crystal forum]

ground breaking facts with your host dilara the witchfinder

[storm jungle]

You are the one making the statement numbnuts

lmao

[crystal forum]

are gauss weapons long range or just short range

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[crystal forum]

like can the bolt just kill anything at any distance

[storm jungle]

It doesnt travel that far, and it just depends on the situation and whos writing

its kind of hard to judge how far a magical green lightning arc goes out of a sci-fi gun too so

[celest dome]

It's Assault Rifle range

So mid range infantry

[queen laurel]

Me watching authors write pure energy of light bolts somehow acting as ammunition with limited range

[crystal forum]

i thought gauss weapons were straight up magic in the setting

[arctic talon]

Effective around the same distance as bolter and lasgun fire(under unoptimal conditions)

[celest dome]

It could fizzle out

[crystal forum]

at least lasguns are stated to lose effectiveness with range

[queen laurel]

No i'm talking about like fancy plasma ammunition that somehow has the properties of an actual bullet

Instead of fizzling out

[crystal forum]

it also only explodes when coming in contact with a target, instead of exploding in the plasma gun or the moment it touches air

[storm jungle]

its a sci-fi alien gun

it does whatever the author wants it to do

[queen laurel]

Jay i know you like details and stuff but like they're just things you should not put your head in

[crystal forum]

i know what you're doing

you will not succeed

but you almost got me

[queen laurel]

that didn't work

@storm jungle pass me the taser

[celest dome]

Like at range it lose it's strength ?

[storm jungle]

bruh moment

[celest dome]

Plasma would fizzle out and self consume

[queen laurel]

No like those weapons that you load actual bullets in but somehow they fire out plasma or some s*** and but they still have the properties of bullets

[celest dome]

Like a Plasma Rpg ?

[queen laurel]

No like those weird sci-fi guns where you loading like actual bullets with a magazine but they somehow shoot something like plasma

[crystal forum]

peak 40k is melta weapons not having consistent projectiles

[celest dome]

Kinda like a Laslock ?
Or the Phosphex and Phosphor weapon do ?

[crystal forum]

laslocks are very cool

mostly because i have a weird obsession with single shot weapons

[queen laurel]

Do they load in a physical bullet ?

And somehow when you fire it the turns into laser plasma thingy?

[storm jungle]

Its a beam

[crystal forum]

it's a chemical projectile and a beam of energy

40k's double slit experiment

[storm jungle]

💀

[celest dome]

Laslock work as small power cells that are single shots
Phosphore weapons use bullets filled with Phosphorous element from memor

[arctic talon]

free laslock if you become a tech thrall

All it requires is your mutilation

[storm jungle]

Yooo Bioshock reference

[crystal forum]

i remember the first 40k book i read having a hot shot longlas be loaded every time with a hot shot bolt

which is very cool

but also what

[arctic talon]

I do find it funny the only warhammer mini with a laslock is a mechanicum one

and its a total piece of crap lol

[celest dome]

Aren't those Mitralock ?

[arctic talon]

no its a laslock

[crystal forum]

wasn't there some vostroyan mini with a laslock

[arctic talon]

wait

no that is a mitralock

FUCK

[queen laurel]

Okay i literally mean a weapon uses a physical magazine with bullets that look like this but somehow when they fire the bullets become like laser bolts like this

[storm jungle]

Vostroyans use normal lasguns

[crystal forum]

ah

[storm jungle]

they just look old-timey

[arctic talon]

here we go lol

[storm jungle]

because uhhh

sex-powers idk

cossacks

[arctic talon]

Still a piece of crap gun

[crystal forum]

i thought that a was a laslock too

[celest dome]

Those are Laslock

[arctic talon]

tech thralls also are pieces of crap but at least they're cheap

[celest dome]

The other one is a Mitralock

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

lore accurate

[arctic talon]

I got the 2 mixed up

like I said

[crystal forum]

laslocks are weird because they're treated as primitive but like are they better than autoguns?

[celest dome]

Tracer rounds ?

[crystal forum]

why would you not just use autoguns instead of laslocks

[celest dome]

Laslock are kind of the equivalent of Muskets

[storm jungle]

They are literally muskets yeah

"flintlock"

"laslock"

get it

[crystal forum]

yes i noticed, thank you

[storm jungle]

shut up you are banned

[crystal forum]

but again why use a laslock instead of an autogun

[storm jungle]

because it looks cool

and is archaic

[crystal forum]

so are autoguns

[storm jungle]

this is why you always get an F in my class

[arctic talon]

Way shittier fire rate

[celest dome]

Higher fire power

[arctic talon]

^

Las locks have better armor penetration

[storm jungle]

then why are we still using bullet-based guns IRL

[arctic talon]

Then a standard lasgun

It’s still not great

[celest dome]

Laslock are punchier than regular lasgun

[scenic bolt]

retrofuturism is in, actual futurism is heresy

[crystal forum]

but like you can make las weapons but not full lasguns

very weird tech gap

[celest dome]

We should go back to crossbow

[storm jungle]

damn its almost like

the imperium is kinda dumb

and archaic

[arctic talon]

Las locks are cheap as shit

[celest dome]

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

That’s why they’re used

Tech thralls are disposable trash

That’s why they get Las locks lol

[crystal forum]

my headcannon is mechanicus dont want to give them full lasguns but they also dont want them to have autoguns because it would look bad to their superiors

[celest dome]

Laslock probably are easier to produce since they don't really need to have power regulator (as they are supposed to expend the whole cell in 1 shot), and they work on smaller cells

[arctic talon]

Tbh tech thralls are lower then servitors

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of style over substance

[arctic talon]

Their job is cannon fodder

[crystal forum]

mechanicus are very much swagger over function

[celest dome]

Autogun have the issue of giving them ammo every time.
Las at least have rechargeable cells

[arctic talon]

Literally cost less then a guardsmen

[crystal forum]

they act like they dont but come on

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

i mean they KINDA do

but like you know

[arctic talon]

Oh the mechanicus is absolutely vain lol

[storm jungle]

they are all Steve Jobs

[arctic talon]

Steve Jobs is more psychopathic

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Then the average tech priest

[crystal forum]

no utilitarian person would wield shit like turbo laser handguns to kill their political enemy and the 5 concrete buildings behind them

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

it's about sending a message

[arctic talon]

But tech thralls are a punishment

[storm jungle]

Now you're getting it

[arctic talon]

As well lol

So it’s def meant to look miserable and horrid

Poor guys don’t even get lobotomized lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/trapped-robot-vacuum-spinning-around-gif-26257702

same vibe ngl

[crystal forum]

it's pretty insulting when you think about how cheap lasguns are for mechanicus

like no you get a shittier lasgun

bitch

[storm jungle]

Being insulting is their job

anyway, lobotomy time

[arctic talon]

It’s absolutely meant to be degrading, insulting, Ect.

When foundry workers get better weapons

When they get armed to defend themselves lol

[crystal forum]

do they really?

[arctic talon]

Lasguns, meltas, melta cutters

[storm jungle]

Its basically just any work weapon yeah

[crystal forum]

i wouldn't expect forge worlds to want their shitty work population to have weapons

[arctic talon]

They don’t get them normally

[storm jungle]

I mean this is stuff they work with

[arctic talon]

Unless shit goes really south

Also yeah they usually have melta cutters and stuff

Or other industrial gear

[crystal forum]

melta weapons probably originating from mining equipment is so fucking cool

like dead space cool

[storm jungle]

We do like miners in 40k

[queen laurel]

What will the wardens say about you

[crystal forum]

also the idea of imperium using the equivalent of power tools from the dark age as their main weapons

[arctic talon]

But like if a foundries forgelord tells the workers to go grab weapons, usually they won’t turn them on their oppressors immediately lol

[storm jungle]

We dont know if its dark age

also like

[arctic talon]

Mostly since like

[storm jungle]

a melta is literally a superheat beam

[arctic talon]

Something far worse is outside lol

[storm jungle]

its not something super advanced

[arctic talon]

Metalica menials being told there’s a bunch of death guard and daemons outside

[crystal forum]

exactly i love it

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Me when metal in metallica rusts

[crystal forum]

i dont remember if i asked you but is agripina dead

[arctic talon]

No

Not even close

[crystal forum]

why is it dead in the cadia stands novel

[storm jungle]

because its a badly written novel

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

YEET

[crystal forum]

the best part of that book is the ogryn

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that when tech pre-say flesh decays like as if metal doesn't corrode

[storm jungle]

its peak hypocrisy yeah

[queen laurel]

Nice metal skin you got there let me throw in a bit of water

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

yeah Cadia stands contradicts a lot of existing lore

Such as Pask

Being on Cadia

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why its like

[arctic talon]

in a baneblade

[storm jungle]

not remember at all as a novel

even when it came out

lol

[arctic talon]

Like excuse me? Pask in a baneblade

How dare you

[storm jungle]

Fall of Cadia is supremely better

[arctic talon]

Pask on Cadia is even worse lol

Considering he explicitly was offworld fighting chaos

[crystal forum]

mechancius trying to justify losing their humanity to become relatively only slightly better than before is peak 40k hypocrisy

[storm jungle]

Fall of Cadia also borrows some stuff from Cadia Stands

like creed's fucking ground-basement tank depot plan

and the novel says how some doors didnt open

[arctic talon]

There’s a tech priest dying who has their biological heart give out after their artificial one and they’re pissed off

[storm jungle]

and the crew starved and died under there

[crystal forum]

wait that was wrong?

[arctic talon]

Pask hates baneblades

[crystal forum]

he's a leman russ commander right

[arctic talon]

Bro is a leman russ enjoyer

[storm jungle]

yep

[arctic talon]

Yep

[storm jungle]

he likes em basic

[arctic talon]

He loves them

[storm jungle]

if it aint broke dont fix it

[crystal forum]

understandable

[arctic talon]

Fanciest russ he’s been in

[queen laurel]

Okay now put him in a titan

[arctic talon]

Is the plasma one

[crystal forum]

um excuse me

it's called the executioner

smh

[arctic talon]

I forgor okay

[crystal forum]

not to be confused with exterminator

these names fucking suck

i regularly forget guard artillery vehicle names

[arctic talon]

All I remember is basilisk

[crystal forum]

also the idea that leman russ basilisk are canon now

[arctic talon]

And wyvern

[crystal forum]

i remember bombard because it's a funny name

and deathstrike because funny ICBM vehicle

i try to remember most tank names

but like remembering that a demolisher and a thunderer are two different vehicles

even though they literally serve the same purpose and function

seriously though, who tf bought a destroyer from FW and decided that they wanted a shittier demolisher

[arctic talon]

FW had a lot of

Like

Just fluff minis

[crystal forum]

no but like

[arctic talon]

Stuff like the searchlight Sabre

[crystal forum]

you buy the destroyer kit

which is a unique tank hunter

(legends)

and then you put a demolisher cannon on it

which immediately makes it worse than a regular demolisher because you cant even put sponsons on it

[arctic talon]

Oh

Wait why the fuck can you put the demolisher cannon on the destroyer

💀

[crystal forum]

like i get it, a salvaged shitty destroyer hull pushed into combat again is cool

but you're buying a FW resin model

what is wrong with you

[plush mason]

so if the fabricator general of mars is basically a human AI inside a massive super computer, is the same dude or do the successors just upload themselves when they gain the rank?

[arctic talon]

No

The fabricator general of mars is a new guy

His current “body” is fucking huge though

It’s intentionally obtuse and miserable to move so he has more excuses to not leave mars

[crystal forum]

is it still a human brain

[arctic talon]

Hes still got it yea

[plush mason]

how do you even move something the size of a full hablock?

[crystal forum]

not even upgraded?

[arctic talon]

he has a primary body

[queen laurel]

Isn't his body so large requires titan grade moving equipment

[arctic talon]

Nah its upgraded

and yes it requires titan grade moving equipment

to decouple him from the foundry complex lol

[crystal forum]

at what point is an upgraded brain no longer human

[arctic talon]

his mobile body is fucking huge

[arctic talon]

when there's no brain left

So tech priests usually just attach more to their brain

rather then chopping bits out

[plush mason]

in the carrion throne his body is a literal dwarf robot lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

can you copy consciousness in 40k

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

Yesnt

[crystal forum]

sounds like something that would cause issues in a story

[arctic talon]

Bile can, Cawl sort of can kind of

[crystal forum]

oh right cawl

[arctic talon]

Cawl learned alot from his master

regarding brain transfer

since she was obsessed with immortality

[plush mason]

i assume the small robot in the book was just a proxy body

[crystal forum]

cawl is considered weird even for 40k though right

like it's not normal

[arctic talon]

Cawl is a fucking weirdo

yeah

He figured out how to do his masters like

concious fusion thing she was working on

its implied some of her mind might have been subsumed/preserved by Cawl after he killed her for being a traitor lol

since he grabs the creepy fetus "backup" of her

[queen laurel]

Fetus what

[arctic talon]

She carried around a bunch of Fetus copies of her that she kept her conscious inside, she was a master of "soul merging" and cloning

[plush mason]

basically a human Hemongulus

[arctic talon]

Cawl blew a hole through her skull with a melta when she defected to Horus

[queen laurel]

S*** like this exist and people still yammer about the daemonculaba

[arctic talon]

and he smashed all the backup fetus's but one

and he "subsumed its mind"

based on her techniques

[crystal forum]

hey if i could do it i'd do it

[arctic talon]

It’s creepy, they’re all under her robe in these weird tanks

And when Cawl shoots her a bunch of them crack open and the way it’s described is

Ugh

[queen laurel]

Forbidden juice

[crystal forum]

kinda dumb in the 40k universe since you dont need digital immortality when just being cool with a chaos god makes you immortal

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s described as smelling like decaying corpses and a hospital

And Cawl starts smashing them and it gets worse lol

[plush mason]

tbf the dark eldar's mere existence makes that device a lot less horrible by comparison

[queen laurel]

Yeah there are a lot worst things in warhammer but people yammer on about that stuff

[plush mason]

i know

[arctic talon]

It’s because it’s memed to death

But yeah Cawl learned the brain merge thing from his master/teacher

Then he torched all her research after copying it

So only he would have it lol

[crystal forum]

so he found a way to be immortal without using chaos at all

[arctic talon]

Well she did, he just iterated on her stuff

[crystal forum]

that's still a rarity in 40k

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And then he subsumed one of her back up fetus’s brain

[crystal forum]

even primarchs were probably created with warp shenanigans

[arctic talon]

Cawl also did the whole immortality thing to his friend quovo

Except quovo hates it lol

Cawl is on iteration 89 or something of quovo

[crystal forum]

see this is the kind of horror that gets me

never technically dying

first iterations probably being horrific

all you know is pain and then non existence

[arctic talon]

First iteration literally tore his own head off

[crystal forum]

and also consciousness being so mysterious that it could still feel like one continued existence if the memories are passed on

[arctic talon]

And also every quovo copy

Has all the memories of the previous one

It’s described as a horrifying existence and quovo literally begs Cawl to just kill him

[crystal forum]

cawl did not have to do that lmao

what a shithead

this kind of horror gets me because i'm so fascinated with consciousness

[viral halo]

Quovo just needs to hit the fent laced cart

[arctic talon]

Cawl loves quovo too much to let him go lol

It’s like a sick twisted attachment

He just can’t let go of the fact quovo died lol

[crystal forum]

weird for him to care so much in a setting that probably has an afterlife

[storm jungle]

He doesnt wanna let go of him

hence why the afterlife part doesnt really matter

also said "afterlife" is where you literally get torn apart by daemons

💀

[viral halo]

b-buh-but they said the emperor protects our souls

[storm jungle]

I do love how when people say that they forget the Emperor basically maybe handpicks like 5 souls to protect out of 13044016942810

lol

[plush mason]

lol

[crystal forum]

meh we won't ever be sure of that

other chaos gods keep souls around to torture forever so why wouldn't the emperor

if he's even a chaos god

also doesnt explain if quovo is even alive at this point still

[storm jungle]

We entirely know lol

many books go "then he died and daemons consumed his soul"

he isnt a benevolent god

[crystal forum]

i see that happen to bad people

[storm jungle]

Nah it happens to loyalists too

especially ones killed by chaos forces/daemons

he literally does not care about 99% of the populace

[crystal forum]

yay grimdark

[storm jungle]

its almost like its the trademark of the setting 💀

[crystal forum]

so anyways isn't it funny how league of votaan could have gone through the entirety of the age of strife without even noticing it was happening

[storm jungle]

They did notice it happened

[crystal forum]

and yet they still ended up with a shitty grimdark society

[storm jungle]

they just didnt care that much

and their society isnt that grimdark

they are way too segregated to be under one umbrella term for a society

[crystal forum]

they're all clones who venerate overloaded windows 98 computers like ancient ancestors

i call that pretty grimdark

[storm jungle]

And guardsman are all faceless mooks who go and die in droves

theres more to them than this

in both cases lol

[crystal forum]

kinda boring that they're descendants of humans

removes some of the uniqueness of dwarves

[dusk patrol]

Jay I thought we took away your opinion privileges

[crystal forum]

but also funny in its own way since their relationship with the imperium is unique

probably the best origin story that wouldn't have banished them into the xeno realm

"oh they were just chilling in the galactic core this whole time" is both so stupid but also the best way to introduce a new non imperial faction

is there any prominent fantasy race that hasnt been introduced into 40k at this point?

[queen laurel]

He holds into his opinion like a space marine fan holds to the belief that space marines are the goods guys

Trying to pry it off of him is probably a damnation level dark tide mission

[crystal forum]

skaven and lizardmen

maybe old ones

there's no way they're not adding skaven at some point

[queen laurel]

There's no point of adding skaven

Orks literally fill their niche

[crystal forum]

money

but i can see them being introduced as a mutation of orks or some shit

[queen laurel]

Unlikely

[crystal forum]

ok hear me out

[queen laurel]

No

[crystal forum]

you know that story with the humans who worship orks on a planet

[green loom]

My hobby knfie has tasted blood

[crystal forum]

and they just dig underground and found a necron thing

those people

mutate to become rats

because necron energy

which makes them all insane

while gaining some ork and necron power

so they have power crystals and the power of fuckery

[queen laurel]

I need to ask your supplier what he delivers to you because what the hell are you smoking

[crystal forum]

11th edition comes out, orks main enemy of the starter box

new gazgul book

introducing followers of the rat

he uses them in the book

sales go up

john workshop makes millions

you know im right

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Dils, forget the taser

Pass me the Grox electrifier

[crystal forum]

it's called a grox prod

[storm jungle]

same thing

get him

[queen laurel]

Annihilate his nut sack

[storm jungle]

Chat we got an ice dweller in the group chat

[plush mason]

Abelard, crush his knees

[arctic talon]

Skaven got disected 3 ways already, they fit in with chaos, orks and the imperium

they'd step on too many toes if they got added

[plush mason]

the imperium are the skaven of 40k

[queen laurel]

Orks copy a lot more of their gimmicks in my opinion

Numbers? Check

Unstable technology? Check

Funny speaking? Check

A very unstable hierarchy?

Check as well

[plush mason]

so does the imperium lol

[queen laurel]

They don't do funny speak

[plush mason]

sure they do

they speak fake latin or sci fi english

[celest dome]

Orks don't deal much into the tech that is corrupting them (Warpstone and radiations)
Nor much in drugs

[queen laurel]

It's still unstable technology that often is quite better than the average humie tech

[plush mason]

the imperium on the other hand has drugs for days lol

[queen laurel]

Like that's what their technology Schtick

[arctic talon]

Drukhari, imperials, craftworld eldar, chaos

[crystal forum]

i get your point E. Wolf

but have you considered money

[storm jungle]

its not gonna happen

now shut up or I will turn you into a mini

🫵

[queen laurel]

Breaking news Vahallan Jay mini deemed as the worst miniature ever made by mankind

[storm jungle]

wow rude

[crystal forum]

at least i have a mini

[queen laurel]

What can i say this chat made me this way

[celest dome]

If 40k was to get a new faction it'll be new SM anyway

[crystal forum]

guess what

the emperor has no mini

so who wins now

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

That's not a high order

Jay do you really want me to be racist

Are you sure you want to go that way?

[crystal forum]

im sorry

[queen laurel]

Good

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laugh-laughing-willem-dafoe-evil-gif-4145161

[dawn dune]

Man, I wish we had this ripper gun design.

big bayonet

[celest dome]

#theorycrafting would be more suited for this

But I want Ripper Saw

[storm jungle]

Its technically an oudated design hence the modern ripper models from the miniatures being applied to the game, was probably seen as more marketable

[rose thorn]

what the fuck are these

its like a grease gun mixed with a high res camera

[queen laurel]

Ogryns with ripper guns

I know it looks very f****** different

[rose thorn]

these ogryns look like an ameircan at walmart

(i am an amercian)

[queen laurel]

Pffft

Okay that is funny

[rose thorn]

they look liek they are gonna talk about their trucking buisness

[queen laurel]

Merciless aren't we

[rose thorn]

The modern ogrysn look a lot more British tbh

Ogryns

[queen laurel]

You mean the generic pub guy look?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's definitely there

[dawn dune]

it can get worse.

[dawn dune]

one of the OG ogryns with some kind of pistol

Then you have the very old school rippergun

This was the first one made.

This particular Ripper gun is known to be the Foe Rend Pattern. Meaning we could technically have the other ripper guns because they are other patterns.

[celest dome]

Tbh if we get a new Ripper Gun family I think it'll be a Ripper Saw and not anything else

[mystic moss]

this has prolly been asked thousand times but whats the possibility of adding other chaos god servants to fight?

[celest dome]

Lorewise, not low
There have been cases of multiple cults working together before

[mystic moss]

i understand slaneesh would be likely too x-rated to depict properly, and tzeentch will likely make for an awesome lore-related segments or singular enemies, but Khorne would fit perfectly. I even thought at first some enemies were khornites

[dusk patrol]

It’s just an asset thing tbh

Same as it was for VT2

[simple helm]

Khorne is doable but there have been no hints of them yet

[dawn dune]

The main issue is how easily the other cults can summon daemons. Also bloodletters have the ability to short distance teleport and have been known to kill space marine squads single handedly. The reason we are fighting Nurgle from both research and from what I've been told is because he is one of the weakest chaos gods unless the plague spreads to an insane amount on a planet.

[celest dome]

Yes, as I said, lorewise it could be added, but it's not a small endeavour.
But any of the chaos god could have a cult made to fit to the faction formula

And Slaanesh isn't just sex, so not too x-rated

[rose thorn]

That is a ork with ahead swap

[simple helm]

The only khorne reference in this game is player character (zealot)

I think?

Maybe the veterans have mentioned khornate berserkers somewhere

[celest dome]

Nurgle is in no way the weakest Chaos God

[rose thorn]

kitbash idea: Ogryn Commandos

[celest dome]

Like he is currently the most active and all of the lesser Daemons are as strong as the others

[simple helm]

Didn’t his garden get burnt after plague wars

[celest dome]

Just a small part, and it already grew back as if nothing happened

[dawn dune]

He's the weakest god in terms of initial startup. It takes him much longer to gain power in a system then others, but when he gets a full plague going and nurgles garden pops up, his followers become nearly unstoppable. Atoma is in a pre-plague stage and hasn't even gotten to Nurgle's Garden yet, and we keep burning anything that gets close to a nurgle's garden and because of this we can thwart him before it becomes too powerful. With other cults like Khorne, simply killing people can earn favor and spawn their daemons. Slaanesh daemons are easily summoned. Nurgle is the only god where most of his daemons require a special condition to summon and they are pretty slow, sluggish, or otherwise easy to out manuever if you can find a way.

[mystic moss]

I can't say weakest, in fact Nurgle's influence is the least subtle and most influental without the necessity of someone being actually controlled. As far as I understood you could simply be exposed to a desiese that is designed to make you go insane and change your brain chemistry. At least thats how I see it (headcannon) for nurgle "followers" to be the main enemy type here

[celest dome]

You can easily write cults that mirror the current cultist (or Traitor Guard) cast without much issue

The weakest if we want to do it would be Slaanesh and Tzeentch

[crystal forum]

tzeench is extremely subtle

[dawn dune]

Tzeentch legit has the ability to actually delete people through temptation alone. It was proven in one of the Warhammer + shows. He is extremely powerful and usually never exposes himself. If there was a tzeentch uprising we would never know until it is too late. Tzeentch is one of those very "pre-planned till the very end" kind of cults and if they get early exposed they will get deleted almost instantly so it wouldn't be a good thing to fight.

[celest dome]

But you can create a tide faction from a Tzeentch cult

It's not impossible and there are mirriads of different cults that work differently

[dawn dune]

Not really, considering most of their followers are people with knowledge it would be like scholars, priests, and monarchs who control large sway. The reason why I think tzeentch wouldn't work is because how their cults function.

[dusk patrol]

Bloodletters aren’t killing marine squads solo by themselves, maybe as a group

[celest dome]

There are for example cults of tzeentch in fantasy that basically are just rabbles of mutants that fight for their freedom

[dusk patrol]

At least not commonly

[celest dome]

All the lesser Daemons are suited as over Elites, like the Ogryns

[dusk patrol]

Tabletop rules are immaterial

There’s a lot of fucky stuff to make the game balanced

[celest dome]

Just so you know there are cult of Khornes where they are very few in numbers and basically act as assassins, but also other where they are hordes of maniacs with axes and tools to fight with

[dawn dune]

yeah but that's fantasy. 40k gods are much different than fantasy, and more importantly tzeentch uprising rarely ever fail, and if they do they fail fast because they don't usually convert military, they convert the people in power with great knowledge so most of the cultists would be very basic humans and would be easily thwarted. It's a pretty all or nothing kind of scenario with tzeentch when it comes to a cult.

[dawn dune]

I never argued that khorne doesn't amass hordes, only that their daemons are easily summoned and are more lethal than any other of the chaos gods daemons.

physically lethal

I should say

in melee they are unmatched and at times suicidal

standard guardsmen stand no chance.

[crystal forum]

@arctic talon i managed to make the grip less shit

havent done the bottom

[dawn dune]

it's stated that bloodletters can kill a squad of guardsmen in minutes and sometimes seconds. So even though we are elite rejects a simple bloodletter would be like a miniboss as a fight and that's their lesser daemon equivalent.

[mystic moss]

A tzeentch follower would make a good storywise stuff if we have a traitor on board or something like that. A khorne follower would pretty much be the easiest to make, heck a barebones version would be to reskin whats already available. A slaneeshi cult though, thats something I don't see how it would even fit in the game, even lorewise. Im not talking about x-rated stuff as sex, more like the broader aspect of hedonistic thoughts, but still can't see it how it will fit the game

[dawn dune]

Also with nurgle half of their daemons can't even be fielded without Nurgles Garden. Plague Bringers, Plague Toads, Nurglings, Bloat Flies, all these daemons require nurgles garden while the other cults don't have special conditions to summon their daemons.

[celest dome]

I'm not gonna bother trying to explain further, any of the god's follower can have a cult that is made to work like the current factions do. If you have further questions ask Dilara

[crystal forum]

i dont understand why this program always wants to create an asscrack on my models

[dawn dune]

Thing is even though slaanesh isn't just sex, sex is a major part in their summoning rituals. Mainly requiring ecstasy of a high degree, while artists, enthusiasts, and others can be followers of slaanesh they don't give as much favor as those who engage in sex like cults.

[rose thorn]

Looks like all the under worlds stuff is tasting the axe, which I don’t oppose tbh

[crystal forum]

i fixed the asscrack

[rose thorn]

Thank fuck the exalted chariot is taking the bin, that kit is the worts thing ever conceived

It’s sucj a bad kit

[dawn dune]

I understand what you mean. As a base any of the cults can be like the initial dark tide cult, and I won't argue against that. I will argue that the other cults have less weaknesses than nurgle, and in the lore it states how powerful their lesser daemons are while nurgle can't even spawn lesser daemons without a Nurgles Garden which requires time for the plague to spread and effort of worship which we keep thwarting which is essentially resetting the spawn timer.

Idk what more to say for it's pretty easily understood why we are fighting nurgle and it was even stated that the other Chaos Gods might be more problematic than the one we are fighting.

[crystal forum]

i might actually finish this model by the end of the week

[celest dome]

The only reason we're fighting Nurgle is that FS know Nurgle like no other.
Chaos Cults are as strong or as weak as the narrative decide them to be

[dawn dune]

All I can tell you is Nurgle was chosen for a reason other then the other gods. There was a lot of lore discussion why they didn't go with the other Chaos Gods, and if you have questions it is probably better to ask their team if you can since most of this was decided by GW and their team together.

[dawn dune]

FS worked with GW to even get this game Published, and it was stated in one of their Dev Talks before the game was released that there were reasons they chose nurgle. Even though vermintide was nurgle based that doesn't mean they went with Nurgle in Darktide because of familiarity.

[crystal forum]

if only they went with khorne to have a doom type game 😔

[celest dome]

They never have explained why they picked Nurgle over another faction. Neither officially nor casually.
This is all assumptions on both of our parts

The only thing they've said is that they didn't pick GSC cause they were to similar in builds to Skaven iirc

[dawn dune]

There have been many talks about guard vs the other gods, and while yes it is logical that the cults can be as weak or as strong as the narrative through research and talking with others there has been a mutual agreement that Nurgle is the best thing for guard to fight considering the Lore. Even though the other cults could work in theory the Lore states how much they struggle fighting the other cults, and one thing I can say is unless you own the Books I wouldn't rely on Wiki's because they don't keep their lore updated they mix and mash old and new lore and sometimes aren't always 100% accurate.

Also by "Mutual agreement" I don't me by me or by anyone here. I mean by people who own the books and have done research this has been mutually agreed apon.

[celest dome]

Lets take 2 assumptions:

• No 2 cult is identical, both inside a god's influence and outside
• Darktide is made into a gated sub-setting made to let FS and GW make anything they want, through the writings of Dan Abnett

Those 2 assumptions are what matter here

It's not taking an outside cult and checking if they could work in DT

It's writing a cult to a different god that would fit the narrative

Past/Known cults don't effing matter

There are ways to write a Khornate/Slaaneshi/Tzeentchian cult that opperate as a tide of trash, even if they're controlled by a more "noble" inner circle

[dawn dune]

I mean it was stated by one of the mods here that FS doesn't have any control over that anyways. Most of their stuff is dictated by what GW says. If they say no to a Blood Cult than that's what happens. So in all truthfulness it's not really anyone but GW's decision. By a logical view point the other cults would have severe advantages over the guard, but if GW says "Why Not" then yeah I guess it could work.

[celest dome]

Yes, GW has a veto power, it's why FS work with GW and Dan Abnett

And why GW is also known in their BL books to make different cults that work in ways that are needed for the narrative

[dawn dune]

I personally don't know much about the cults, but I talked to a friend of mine who has done thorough research and owns most of the books. From his stand point he says Nurgle is a logical fight and possible win for the Guard, but they'd struggle against the other gods. So if they did make the other cults they'd somehow have to lose access to lesser daemons because they can be easily summoned and are very powerful. If nurgle could summon plague bringers and plague toads we would be equally fucked fighting them as we would a bloodletter but nurgle requires a special condition. So they'd have to come up with a good reason as to why they don't have access to their lesser daemons.

[celest dome]

Daemons of 1 god aren't easier to summon that those of the others

It all depend on the Warp essence that is already on the world

[soft thunder]

I'd be more easily convinced of genestealers than another chaos god cult being on Atoma. Either way, It'd have to be allied with the nurglite scabs and dregs because FS hasn't done anything with 2 enemy factions being hostile towards one another. This could be hand waved away easily with a alliance or pact of sorts, stranger things have happened.

[celest dome]

Heck if anything Nurgle is the one known to summon Daemons the most easily

[dawn dune]

The rituals are different but nurgle is the only one that specifically states it requires access to the Garden which needs time to grow and requires a specific level of contagion to even begin to grow. The others can make blood rituals, ecstacy rituals, and idk what tzeentch does. They can be thwarted but they can have multiple of them in one area, and summoning a bloodletter is as easy and killing a bunch of dudes in a ritual circle.

[storm jungle]

Any chaos god and their followers can snowball out of control and get a win, theres no varying degrees of "we can win this" against them when the fight is so immeasurable with so many factors at play.

Chaos Daemon codexes showcase show a cult of any god can just take over a planet and defeat any resistance sent against it without breaking too much sweat, and the complete opposite can happen just as much, so its pointless to try to "tier" them.

[dawn dune]

If that were true then there should already be plaguebringers in Darktide and Plague toads, and Nurglings. The only logical conclusion is the garden isn't ready to begin that level of development.

[storm jungle]

Or its just a game

[celest dome]

Mate that's wrong
You can both summon daemons through "natural" means (Growing corruption; great amount of slaughter; lots of Psyker stuff happening; Slaanesh I forgot it) or by ritual
Which is what is happening in the game with the BoN

[storm jungle]

^

Again

theres not really any solid "rule" with this

The basic process is just get gatherings, mass around, and summon daemons through any kind of ritual the writer will plop in there.

[celest dome]

Or you know
It's not about lore and more about the unit needing to be modeled, animated, balanced...

[dawn dune]

That's a possibility.

But it's pretty late in the game and to not have lesser daemons is weird. Also the Beast of Nurgle counts as an abberration and it was stated that it is one of the only spawn that can be ritually summoned because it doesn't require Nurgles Garden to exist.

[celest dome]

Wait remembered for Slaanesh, we've got 4 I think revealed:

• Specific art forms
• General debauchery
• Excessive drug production
• Excessive Pride

[celest dome]

I don't know who told you that

But they're not correct

[dawn dune]

I read it.

[celest dome]

Summoning Nurgling is vastly easier than summoning a BoN

[storm jungle]

I really dont get why you are being so tied to the "garden" idea.

[celest dome]

I don't know where you've read it

[storm jungle]

Also we got no idea how "early" or "late" it is in the game

[soft thunder]

Daemonic summon ritual from Codex: Chaos (1996)

Khorne shall be called with blood.
Aksho Kharneth Akhash

Slaanesh shall be called with anguish.
Aksho Slaaneth K'khaa

Tzeentch shall be called with fire.
Aksho Tzeeneth Phaos

Nurgle shall be called with death.
Aksho Nurgleth Dh'Akh

The door is unlocked, Daemons of Chaos I call thee forth.
Ksy'Iakash Dhaos Akhamshy'y Khaos Akso'mi!

The Nurgle part of this ritual is written in the Dark Tongue graffiti across many missions.

idk the point I'm making it's jsut a fun fact

[storm jungle]

Its really not that big of a deal either way tbh

This feels like just another case of overthinking too much over a basic premise

[dawn dune]

Either way there are only beasts of nurgle, and idk why there aren't others. BoN would indeed take more time but from what I've read it can be summoned through ritualistic means why the others seem to require Nurgle's Garden. I'm not tied to the "garden idea" it's what I read. They require certain mutations from the Garden to be able to spawn from filth and bile produced from the Plague Garden.

[celest dome]

It all end up to what FS want to do and what GW will allow

[storm jungle]

Because game.

We are here to fight mostly mortal enemies, not daemons.

also humans are more fun to kill lol

[celest dome]

Plaguebearer are noted to be able to sprung out of filth

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-hammer-gif-25704599

[dawn dune]

It was stated that filth comes from the excretement of nurgles garden.

[celest dome]

I think lesser Daemons make sense as uber elites

[storm jungle]

Yeah and again we arent too deep into the invasion

[soft thunder]

There's a plaguebearer skull in the final arena area of the Hourglass in the refinery delta mission

[storm jungle]

at best probably months

[soft thunder]

the phage tree seems like something from nurgle's garden. Might be worse stuff in the deep hive depths

[celest dome]

Yes the Scab are just starting to react to the Reject's since the Traitor Curse update

[dawn dune]

That skull could've come from anywhere, and is probably a ritual device used to summon Beasts of Nurgle. The Moebians left and came back with a plague so they could've gotten the skull from those who corrupted them.

[celest dome]

[storm jungle]

Theres also some miniature-based nurgle daemon-bongs

[celest dome]

Bong ? Like the weed pipes ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally

hold on lemme get it

[celest dome]

Gong ?

[dawn dune]

The phage tree was still growing it was pretty close to becoming nurgles garden but we managed to thwart it.

[celest dome]

The Asiatic instrument maybe ?

[dawn dune]

which could play into the narrative of why there isn't daemons yet.

[storm jungle]

this is literally a bong

im sorry lads

[celest dome]

Fair

[storm jungle]

[soft thunder]

nurgle got that stinky sticky icky

[storm jungle]

we smoking premium plague kush

[dawn dune]

We Also aren't the only team going out and destroying the cults stuff. The atoman guard also do stuff on the frontlines while we are always doing missions, and they have agents who are put on missions as well.

[storm jungle]

We are the ones getting sent into the thickest and most crucial stuff still

since we are by now a proper inquisitorial kill-team

[rocky gale]

Worshipping Nurgle is one thing, but using drugs?

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-hank-hank-schrader-jesse-pinkman-angry-hank-schrader-gif-25241196

[storm jungle]

lmfao

Inquisitor Schrader though 💀

[dawn dune]

The arguement was there could be multiple phage trees which is true but there could've been some destroyed on the frontlines, or by other agents.

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know.

the mission also says it will regrow so 💀

[dawn dune]

yeah we just gotta come back before it becomes an entire garden.

[celest dome]

But still even without the tree there can be Daemons being summoned on world

[dawn dune]

I think the main reason we don't see nurglings is because we haven't seen one plaguepriest around or plague sorceror. They usual make the inscriptions to summon those kinds of daemons, but there aren't any around.

Another mystery.

[storm jungle]

• Game Development is hard

[celest dome]

Or that they've not found an appropriate way to use them

[rocky gale]

They teased a guy who seemed to be a sorcerer a while ago in the vox links

[celest dome]

Like Nurgling don't really work well as an enemy

[storm jungle]

the moebians also got psykers according to Wolfer

[celest dome]

Way too small to work properly

[dawn dune]

could be possible that the daemons are being used on the frontlines, but nurglings are known to be attached to filth and the garden so they should be everywhere if the plague has spread as much as it seems.

[rocky gale]

Yea Nurgling would probably just be annoying to fight

[storm jungle]

lore-accurate reason here lmfao

[dawn dune]

could make the nurgling a bundle blob like they did in total war warhammer

something like this

just make them a blob mob

[arctic talon]

The blob

[storm jungle]

easier said than done

that thing as the devs said was a nightmare to animate

lmao

[rocky gale]

That's what I was thinking of, it would just be annoying to fight plus like how do you make it work?

Like where's the headshot?

[soft thunder]

Vermintide 2 halloween event has nurglings. I doint think wed actually "fight" them

[dawn dune]

oh yeah it'd take work I won't lie, but if they are thinking about them being too small this is one way to compensate.

[celest dome]

That won't be as easy here as it was there
Rts can treat the entity as a whole
Here they would need to be able to animate them together, but at the same time treat them as individual

[celest dome]

Yes, they are critters

[rocky gale]

If I shoot one specifically do all the others just fall over dead for no reason?

Do you have to target each individual nurgling in the mob?

[celest dome]

Critters or side objectives is the only really easy to use them

[dawn dune]

I guess the question is how much we want to compensate. They could just share the hp through the whole blob and when the hp is depleted they all just die.

[rocky gale]

I could see Nurglings being like the idols you shoot, except they can run away

Or maybe something like the loot rat

A Nurgling that's been hoarding ammo crates or something

[storm jungle]

so a zealot player?

[rocky gale]

[sacred ginkgo]

I don't think I would want to take any ammo from a creature composed entirely of magic filth

Insert reddit joke here

[dawn dune]

Also the bell man

Ringing the Bell does damage

imagine that as a boss

I believe there is one in that space marine game.

[sacred ginkgo]

Boltgun?

There's 4

one is fought at the same time as a Lord of Change, and a powerful chaos sorcerer

Malum Caedo is the only thing holding that section of the imperium together

[arctic talon]

Great unclean one being planetside would literally be apocalyptic lore wise tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah but fatman

[arctic talon]

I want my face to melt off the moment I get within 100 meters

[plush mason]

this shit plauged Mortarian

[young pecan]

Our rejects have been built different so far, why not

Nah we definitely lose

Would be cool to see a nurgling though

[rose thorn]

warhamer community, thoughts on the name Nanucletak

for my city

[young pecan]

What kinda city is it

[rose thorn]

its in ghur, realm of beasts. It is inside the skeleton of a dead whale god

its a port city

[storm jungle]

someting like Nanuletach might be better

easier on the eyes and mouth while sounding beastier

🐐

[rose thorn]

true, would the moby dick refrence be obvious enough tho?

[storm jungle]

Lmao i think it hides it well enough

[rose thorn]

fair

[storm jungle]

and remember a lot of people when it comes to Moby Dick only catch onto names like Ahab

aka ones that are more forefront

[young pecan]

I had no idea it was a reference until Mag said it lol

[storm jungle]

lmao see

[rose thorn]

the server i mod for caught teh refence

[storm jungle]

yeah then that guy is a massive nerd

🫵

[rose thorn]

pff

[rocky gale]

Is Moby Dick a common read outside the US?

[storm jungle]

Kind of

[rocky gale]

I always think of it as an American book

[rose thorn]

i think it sbecause she lives near the city its naemd after

[young pecan]

It's a cool name though plus what Dilara said! I fw the idea

[rose thorn]

i mean

the ltieral city it is

i forgot nantucket is a real city

the whale god they live in is literally named Mobic Dwellen

[storm jungle]

always remind yourself warhammer is never subtle with references

you got an Inquisitor named Emil Darkhammer

ultimate cheese

🧀

[misty brook]

Funny that some brilliant minds of the Imperium think the Monkey had a scorpion tail and thought Leonardo Da Vinci was a genius from his journal.

[rose thorn]

pfff

[young pecan]

Monkeys are already terrifying enough, I think if they had scorpion tails it would be Planet of the Apes

[rose thorn]

Now I gotta write a cultur

I wrote about food habits

I’m thinking of doing the depressed fishermen vibe

[crystal forum]

angron

sherlock obi wan

mortarion

fabius bile

horus (bald)

[rose thorn]

[crystal forum]

erebus (bald)

lorgar (bald)

[dusk patrol]

Lesbian Jay (Probably bald)

[azure knoll]

are there any full-on gsc worlds?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Theres one that the hive fleet never came for

[azure knoll]

and won't be coming for?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a noted phenomenon

[arctic talon]

And they decided to start sending out “extra productive” workers

And uh

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes they get wiped out by the imperium

[arctic talon]

“Pilgrims”

[dusk patrol]

Others try to spread

[azure knoll]

that's wonderful

i'm never getting gsc but good for them

[dusk patrol]

I guess

[crystal forum]

i have the best hair you'd find in 1 million people on this planet

and that is a fact

[dusk patrol]

There’s millions of bald people this means nothing!

[crystal forum]

both very voluminous and a rare colour

older women always remind me how jealous they are

[dusk patrol]

Oh god they’re a ginger aren’t they

[crystal forum]

auburn

actually red instead of ugly orange

[dusk patrol]

That’s just ginger during winter time

My heart does go out to all my balding homies

[crystal forum]

legit

bald people are better than balding people

in terms of looks

like just commit to it

[true elbow]

would be nice to hear more about the "protocol" our rejects mention often

[dusk patrol]

We can infer some stuff

[crystal forum]

eternal you're bald

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-deception-more-lies-every-day-gif-10493922

[crystal forum]

look at your own pfp

check mate

[dusk patrol]

Mfw I’m looking at a blind person

[crystal forum]

my retinas partly detached from all the guard artillery shaking me around

[dusk patrol]

[thorn zenith]

Brother got the eternal forehead

[shell mason]

sup lore chat

[rocky gale]

Nooo they removed the coolest part of the Wilderfiend in the new edition

It used to be able to come back to life whenever a friendly hero died, but they took that ability away

[crystal forum]

are storm bolters considered rare tech

[outer wave]

I dont think so?

They seem uncommon enough anyway

[celest dome]

Rarer than Bolters

Less rare than pther Combi weapons

[crystal forum]

i ask because if the astra militarum uses them then they can't be that rare

[outer wave]

Yeah Id consider them to be uncommon equipment

[queen laurel]

Outside of space marines and sisters of battle?

Yeah