i didnt even know that
#40k-lore-chat
fallen plaza
Most artillery vehicles have interiors in think
arctic talon
Only vehicles with no interior are the rogal dorn and skorpius(sorta)
Oh also the mechanicum transport
fallen plaza
Except the morbius bombard or whatever
crystal forum
there's no way the leman russ has interior
wraith quartz
I'm definitely late to the party, but they're making a new alien movie.
arctic talon
there's no way the leman russ has interior
It has some really minor stuff lol
crystal forum
i cant find images
fallen plaza
Morbius bombard does for the pilot area
Idk
crystal forum
all the shit i use for guard is printed anyways so never seen an interior
fallen plaza
The land raider has a suggestion of one
arctic talon
Ah nvm the russ doesn’t have an interior
crystal forum
cant you fit troops in a land raider?
crystal forum
wait so we're not supposed to put the units inside the APC's?
arctic talon
No
To represent it people usually put the units sgt. On top
Vehicles are a dif scale from infantry on the tabletop
fallen plaza
If they were the same scale as infantry they would be massive
arctic talon
Rhino almost the size of the current land raider mini
Chimera bigger then the Spartan lul
wintry scarab
Yeah, i saw them a while back and it made me sad that 40k has the one it has 😦
fallen plaza
arctic talon
Yeah, i saw them a while back and it made me sad that 40k has the one it has 😦
Smh insulting my skitarii
fallen plaza
Smh insulting my skitarii
Skitarii are mid
fallen plaza
Also imagine how big the mastodon has to be for it to be true scale
arctic talon
I like skitarii more then ursarax tbh
fallen plaza
That shit transports contemptors
celest dome
Nobody disparage my Skits
arctic talon
Or whatever the thallax melee one is called
crystal forum
Also imagine how big the mastodon has to be for it to be true scale
does anybody buy these models
fallen plaza
I think ursarax are cute
arctic talon
does anybody buy these models
Mastodon? Horus heresy players
fallen plaza
They remind me of bionicle
crystal forum
Mastodon? Horus heresy players
arent they shit
arctic talon
I think I might genuinely prefer pteraxii over them
arctic talon
arent they shit
Yes
fallen plaza
arent they shit
They were always shit actually
crystal forum
why is this a trend that pricier big units suck ass
fallen plaza
The stormhammer in this ed is actually good
arctic talon
why is this a trend that pricier big units suck ass
Because war games tend to support units being smaller and mobile being better
Because of how important positioning and movement is
crystal forum
maybe they actually care and dont want the prize possession models to be the meta
arctic talon
If this was true the wraithknight wouldn’t have been good this edition lol
fallen plaza
Its a bit more complicated than that
arctic talon
^
fallen plaza
But the easiest answer is the rules writers are idiots
For all the ragging we do of GW they arent stupid
arctic talon
But the easiest answer is the rules writers are idiots
It depends tbh
fallen plaza
The only ones who actually probably are idiots are the writers
fallen plaza
I mean look at the HH pdf
crystal forum
i think they just dont care
arctic talon
Forgeworld rules writers def don’t care anymore it feels
Having read shattered legion rules
Lol
They really do not care about balance
crystal forum
like it doesnt take somebody smart to write rules, it just takes time and careful planning
fallen plaza
Forgeworld just hasnt given a shit in years
arctic talon
Same with the if you want to use the stubber stuff
fallen plaza
Look at the contekar
dusk patrol
At the end of the day Heresy is one of those you have to let both guys make sure it’s not gonna be broken
fallen plaza
Or the dawnbringer cohorts
dusk patrol
Because how easy it is to break and be OP as fuck
dusk patrol
Dreads
fallen plaza
Fury of the ancients
arctic talon
I’m not bringing up the horse in the room
fallen plaza
arctic talon
But yes dreads
dusk patrol
Most unique legion stuff spam
crystal forum
it's lore accurate that my 200 year old legion has 59 dreads
dusk patrol
Primarchs lol
dusk patrol
it's lore accurate that my 200 year old legion has 59 dreads
Tbf it is for several but
Accurate ain’t always fun
arctic talon
Don’t bring that shit
fallen plaza
Dont bring lore into this
crystal forum
i thought 30k was all about lore
dusk patrol
One dread per 1000 points is generally the rule
fallen plaza
i thought 30k was all about lore
Its a balance
dusk patrol
You can smash your primarchs together if you want and fuck around but it’s more fun if you try to have it
crystal forum
this is why conscripts need to return to 40k
dusk patrol
Also it’s not like 40k lacks anti fun lists too
arctic talon
40K has lots of anti fun lists
But also everyone’s gone think you’re an asshole tbh
crystal forum
Especially the 9e whiteshields shit
there's boring meta and there's funny stupid meta
crystal forum
100000 conscripts is funny stupid meta for the first 4 turns
arctic talon
The only conscript spam I’ll approve of
Is the one with the storm lord
Because that one is actually funny
crystal forum
bringing obscure models to tournaments is my dream
fallen plaza
Space marines players trying not the breathe too hard so the solar aux player wont die
arctic talon
If you bring only conscripts and officers in 9e I’m not playing against you 💀
crystal forum
do solar aux really suck that hard
arctic talon
AP4 moment
Yes
They pay a premium for stuff that is mediocre/useless
- the army building rules don’t support how they work
They need their own book
fallen plaza
Theres a debate within the guard players on who has it worse, solar aux or millitia kek
fallen plaza
Not really
arctic talon
Militia are better then Solar aux
You get cheaper stuff
Poor Solar aux gets the worst of both worlds lol
arctic talon
They look sick
fallen plaza
Stormhammer?
arctic talon
Playing Solar aux into literally any army but Solar aux is pain
fallen plaza
They look sick
My favorite guard of all time
arctic talon
Because GW turned all of mechanicums fucking AP3 into AP4
fallen plaza
Freaking
crystal forum
at least it isnt cadia
arctic talon
fallen plaza
Cadia SUCKS
arctic talon
Lol
crystal forum
all my homies hate cadia
fallen plaza
YUCKY
arctic talon
This is getting out of hand
Now there are 2 of them
Jokes aside my favorite regiment doesn’t even have any lore lol
I just like how they look
fallen plaza
Technically solar aux barely have any
arctic talon
Solar aux aren’t a regiment
crystal forum
my fav regiment has like 3 books and most of them are from ciaphas cain
fallen plaza
Theres like, 2 major characters
fallen plaza
Solar aux aren’t a regiment
Am aware, but i cant really compare much else
crystal forum
i thought solar aux had 0 lore
arctic talon
I can’t wait for loyalist mechanicum to get the spiky shit covered end of the stick
For battle of mars
crystal forum
except for lord solar shit
vagrant narwhal
I wonder what dancing looks like in 40K
crystal forum
fallen plaza
Lots of booty shaking
arctic talon
Boring answer I know
arctic talon
Lots of booty shaking
House Goliath thug shaker
crystal forum
ok very controversial answer: it depends
fallen plaza
Kek
arctic talon
Dependium is the classic
Also I will literally kill GW if they don’t make an official Caleb mini for mechanicum
vagrant narwhal
Caleb?
storm jungle
i thought solar aux had 0 lore
Im gonna fucking blow you up
arctic talon
Caleb?
One of the most important loyalist mechanicum figures who also has 0 fucking lore + no mini
crystal forum
Wtf did they do to aximand
the little horus guy?
arctic talon
Literally a solid third of the reason why the loyalist mechanicum didn’t completely implode
fallen plaza
The model sucks ass
vagrant narwhal
On an unrelated note
Imagine plate carriers in the 40K setting. I believe it'd probably just be used by hivegangers that have no access to lasguns and all the advanced stuff
crystal forum
for context since none of you fucking post what they look like
arctic talon
On an unrelated note
Imagine plate carriers in the 40K setting. I believe it'd p...
They do exist ye
vagrant narwhal
for context since none of you fucking post what they look like
This is Caleb?
crystal forum
On an unrelated note
Imagine plate carriers in the 40K setting. I believe it'd p...
it's called flak
fallen plaza
This is Caleb?
Horus aximand
storm jungle
no thats a techpriest
crystal forum
why is he hunched like that
storm jungle
...
crystal forum
he needs better posture
crystal forum
needs a bigger shield
storm jungle
Im gonna use you as a shield in a minute
arctic talon
Calleb Decima Invictus Lord of Ruin, Vengeful Archmagos of the Ordo Reductor
storm jungle
arctic talon
Yes I’m using his full name fuck you
arctic talon
He does
Lol
If he does get a mini I do hope he gets a redesign
Bcs he probably did not look like that late heresy lol
arctic talon
He’s resin
fallen plaza
for context since none of you fucking post what they look like
Because it is literally the same model as this guy, they just gave him different weapons
storm jungle
Bcs he probably did not look like that late heresy lol
The traitors in the Horus Heresy do get a bit quirky at night....
arctic talon
Forgeworld moment
arctic talon
The traitors in the Horus Heresy *do* get a bit quirky at night....
He’s not a traitor is the funny part
He just has the most traitor sounding name ever
crystal forum
He’s resin
i buy a bottle of resin for 30$ and i can make like 50 of these fuckers
storm jungle
if he was a traitor his name would be some shit like
arctic talon
Fucking lord of ruin
storm jungle
Caleborx Decimatus
arctic talon
if he was a traitor his name would be some shit like
Most of the traitor mechanicum have pretty boring names
Or normal onesp
crystal forum
He’s not a traitor is the funny part
i remember him in the first books
crystal forum
doesnt he kill the guy on istvan IV
storm jungle
I love how they gave him Hal as a fucking name, you can imagine the writers in the room being all "well its an evil robot from Space Odyssey lets use that"
rose thorn
Calleb Decima Invictus Lord of Ruin, Vengeful Archmagos of the Ordo Reductor
He spilt stuff on him shirt :(
fallen plaza
Draykavic is a cool ass name tf you on about
crystal forum
why does he look like that
arctic talon
Compared to fucking Anarcharis Scoria no
We don’t even know Draykavics first name
💀
crystal forum
this guy looks nothing like horus
arctic talon
why does he look like that
I’d assume it’s later heresy
dusk patrol
Wtf is that model
It’s a good model?
fallen plaza
He got a chogorian shave mid heresy
dusk patrol
It fits his look still
fallen plaza
Kek
storm jungle
It’s a good model?
you literally got a bald marine as your pfp
your bias is showing
dusk patrol
His look was always fairly standard SoH
crystal forum
bald is always evil
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
bald is always evil
Cawl is evil confirmed
crystal forum
let's be honest cawl is not fucking trustworthy
storm jungle
he is basically bill gates so
arctic talon
No
storm jungle
Yes
arctic talon
Bill Gates is much less evil smh
storm jungle
LOL
arctic talon
Unless he’s got a secret organ harvesting operation
That turns the harvestees into cyborg mind slaves
crystal forum
does cawl do what he do only because he's curious
dusk patrol
you literally got a bald marine as your pfp
Me when I’m looking at a blind person
crystal forum
does he even like the imperium
arctic talon
does cawl do what he do only because he's curious
He’s curious + he thinks he’s better
arctic talon
does he even like the imperium
He loves the mechanicus
He is fine with the imperium
storm jungle
Cawl's opinion on the Imperium is literally just
crystal forum
i thought he was hated by the mechanicus for actually learning stuff
storm jungle
"They exist i guess"
arctic talon
i thought he was hated by the mechanicus for actually learning stuff
Depends
Politics
As usual
storm jungle
i thought he was hated by the mechanicus for actually learning stuff
He has supporters and haters
arctic talon
Mechanicus politics is so funny
dusk patrol
He’s just vibing
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
Cawl also has his own political party formed by his followers
its not popular
lmao
crystal forum
im just wondering, what is stopping this guy from just going dark mechanicum
arctic talon
Cawl doesn’t even like Cawlites
arctic talon
im just wondering, what is stopping this guy from just going dark mechanicum
Because he hates chaos
crystal forum
why
storm jungle
...
arctic talon
He saw his teacher go insane
storm jungle
bruh
arctic talon
Because of it
crystal forum
no im serious
arctic talon
She did the like
storm jungle
BECAUSE CHAOS IS BAD
arctic talon
Really creepy fucking
crystal forum
this guy absorbs people to stay alive and you're talking about evil and good here
arctic talon
Cawl blew a hole through her skull with a melta
storm jungle
WE ARENT
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
this guy absorbs people to stay alive and you're talking about evil and good her...
Orders of magnitude of evils
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
does the chaos mechanicum actually learn shit
storm jungle
Uhhh
arctic talon
I mean
arctic talon
Sort of?
storm jungle
Some do, some dont.
arctic talon
Do you count daemon engines?
dusk patrol
this guy absorbs people to stay alive and you're talking about evil and good her...
Also tbf they tried to do it to him first
crystal forum
like they just do whatever they want right
dusk patrol
Fucked around
storm jungle
like they just do whatever they want right
Basically yeah lol
crystal forum
i thought the whole reason for the dark mechanicum existing was to remove the restrictions placed by the imperium
dusk patrol
From what we’ve seen it’s not like he’s absorbed some fucking saints
arctic talon
The dark mechanicum was even more fragmented then the loyalist mechanicum during the heresy
arctic talon
i thought the whole reason for the dark mechanicum existing was to remove the re...
No, it depends
storm jungle
i thought the whole reason for the dark mechanicum existing was to remove the re...
depends again
some wanna worship chaos
some think the admech is lame
some are just psychopaths
dusk patrol
i thought the whole reason for the dark mechanicum existing was to remove the re...
They were ass mad they couldn’t use all their toys
storm jungle
💀
crystal forum
i'd 100% start making men of iron again if i went dark mechanicum
wait but men of iron had no souls
dusk patrol
Then they went 
when it turned out there may have been a reason they shouldn’t use those toys
arctic talon
Just make a daemon engine
storm jungle
also yeah remember, you dont have to worship chaos to be labelled a "heretek."
A heretek is basically any kind of person that breaks the mechanicus creed
arctic talon
And call it a day
Heretek’s vary from minor ones to
This guy literally grafted himself to a tyranid bio titan
crystal forum
wait so chaos can fabricate AI right
arctic talon
Dark mechanicum no
crystal forum
what about that machine
arctic talon
That was a single legio Cybernetica dudes pet project
dusk patrol
That’s why you just have cyborg zombie marines and malevolent AI in your base and hide it and don’t care like a boss
arctic talon
And he’s dead
dusk patrol
Imagine asking for permission
crystal forum
the kaban machine
arctic talon
Yeah
crystal forum
so only humanity could product AI
arctic talon
Again Tau and Necrons both do it
dusk patrol
Dark Mech is pretty broad which you should fucking know by now when asking questions Jay
dusk patrol
Jay what are the two magic words
arctic talon
A really enthusiastic puppy
storm jungle
Dark Mech is pretty broad **which you should fucking know by now when asking que...
Also like, the only difference between mechanicus and dark mechanicus is one has more spikes lol
one just uses daemons
lmfao
crystal forum
Jay what are the two magic words
please and thank you
arctic talon
One uses more slave labor
storm jungle
Uhhh
arctic talon
It’s not the one you think
storm jungle
questionable
dusk patrol
please and thank you
That’s three words
dusk patrol
It depends
arctic talon
They have more people enslaved
dusk patrol
It depends are the two words Jay
arctic talon
But I think there’s like 2 total AI comparable to like
crystal forum
thank you
arctic talon
The men of iron the tau have made
storm jungle
the tau AI is not as self-aware yeah
crystal forum
men of iron was unmatched by any other race?
arctic talon
Who’s part of the 8 and is the jobber
storm jungle
men of iron was unmatched by any other race?
We dont relaly know
arctic talon
^
dusk patrol
men of iron was unmatched by any other race?
Necrons have some stuff
dusk patrol
But it’s not delved into much
crystal forum
arent necron AI dumb automatons
dusk patrol
Also technically
dusk patrol
Theyre all AI I guess
storm jungle
like a literal tomb-world Siri
crystal forum
like from that man of iron we know of he's an actual person
crystal forum
yeah
storm jungle
but like
arctic talon
UR-025 my beloved
storm jungle
Men of Iron were literally just advanced angry robots with WMDs
crystal forum
we dont know if he represented the norm but it's kinda crazy
arctic talon
Tbh
storm jungle
he didnt
dusk patrol
I mean idk he’s not that crazy
storm jungle
hes a unique case with his own personality
storm jungle
I mean idk he’s not that crazy
My homie acting like Agent 47 with those techpriests before he murders them 💀
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
Hes a little feisty but if you’ve played BSF
crystal forum
i wish we did
dusk patrol
Mfer dies easy
storm jungle
We only know they did a massive war, spammed WMDs, some helped humans some didnt
thats it
arctic talon
he kind of sucks at not dying
also tbh he absolutely was justified in murdering those tech priests lol
they had it coming
crystal forum
yadda yadda yadda age of strife horrors beyond our comprehension
dusk patrol
They weren’t the wisest dudes
storm jungle
also people forget like
arctic talon
literally got given several chances to give up lol
storm jungle
UR is not what a Man of Iron looks like
arctic talon
before Ur does the funny
crystal forum
tech priests when they fuck around and find out
storm jungle
its literally a disguise
arctic talon
I AM A MAN OF IRON AND I AM FREE
dusk patrol
Free to die to a lame dice roll in a tabletop game smh
storm jungle
BRUH
crystal forum
i want more men of iron
crystal forum
no they suck
storm jungle
you suck
dusk patrol
Then you don’t want men of iron
fallen plaza
Based
dusk patrol
Cause guess what nerd
dusk patrol
They’re a faction literally born and bred from men of iron
crystal forum
what
storm jungle
KEK
dusk patrol
Whatever the description works
crystal forum
nah that would suck so hard
dusk patrol
Men of Iron weren’t one thing
dusk patrol
Jay
storm jungle
arctic talon
The original colonists all dying
crystal forum
if men of iron turn out to be some robots with dwarfism
dusk patrol
Stop having the worst opinions
arctic talon
Was totally not suspicious
arctic talon
if men of iron turn out to be some robots with dwarfism
No I’m talking about the giant core
storm jungle
LOOKS THE FUCKING SAME
crystal forum
what about men of gold
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
IT DEPENDS
arctic talon
Men of gold have no lore
crystal forum
in my defense we dont know much about votaan
arctic talon
Next question
fallen plaza
storm jungle
what about men of gold
The men of Gold were basically a race of superhumans that were just good at gene splicing and more or less just helped develop some other generation of humans
but like
in the actual material this isnt said
this is second hand from an ex-GW writer
arctic talon
storm jungle
crystal forum
i want this lore so fucking badly
amazon series would clear this up
just like fallout series showed like the first ever image of pre war universe
fallout 4 doesnt count
arctic talon
amazon series would clear this up
It prolly wouldn’t
arctic talon
Why the fuck would this be part of a theoretical show
You don’t need to know the background of the universe in its entirety
crystal forum
Okay but... the pre-war is literally just futuristic 60's lol
there's a lot more to it
crystal forum
Why the fuck would this be part of a theoretical show
i just hope it would okay? please dont yell
storm jungle
there's a lot more to it
Kinda
also
watch this video for that stuff
Ian as ever covers it extremely well
and it isnt just dramatic nonsense
he very much also calls out people overhyping this shit
and peddling out to 40m video when they basically got no ground to stand on lorewise
lol
BUT the content in the video is super interesting and well-explained, give it a try.
crystal forum
i will watch it if you give me 20$
crystal forum
worth a try. i'll watch it
dusk patrol
Tl;dw, it’s a very short thing and people extrapolate way too much
storm jungle
^ Literally what he says too lol
dusk patrol
Also it’s not told super clearly anyways
It’s very vague and written like a fable almost
crystal forum
people do take snippets from rulebooks and make these grand headcannons with them
dusk patrol
I doubt GW give a shit about it anymore too, if they have a new idea of that time
storm jungle
I doubt GW give a shit about it anymore too, if they have a new idea of that tim...
Yeah another point he also says is its very much one of those 6th edition mystery setups that never got expanded on unlike some other stuff that is still in current 40k today
crystal forum
i DO like the idea that votaan are men of stone though
dusk patrol
I doubt they’re gonna care about that little short thing
Or it’ll just be one small part of it
fallen plaza
SHORT!?
dusk patrol
We know there was a lot of factions in that era
storm jungle
I do like Ian for that too
storm jungle
like he actually stops the video sometimes
and explains the actual IRL stuff behind this shit
crystal forum
we know that nothing was simple
dusk patrol
Rude but also I was just gonna say that
storm jungle
BRUH
fallen plaza
Simpleton
storm jungle
so thats where that comes from
dusk patrol
But I don’t mean it Jay
crystal forum
and i can bet you that taking every single reference to the dark age ever mentionned from even the smallest source would lead you to a completely nonsensical era
storm jungle
Yeah true
storm jungle
LOL
fallen plaza
Agreed, you are a good punching bag though for bad opinions
crystal forum
my bones hurt please stop punching
storm jungle
and i can bet you that taking every single reference to the dark age ever mentio...
its the same with the lost primarchs
the lexicanum has an entire page documenting every single mention they get in books
and its just literally nonsense after contradictory nonsense
lmao
storm jungle
the Emperor mostly works because its a case of "untrustworthy narrator"
but i agree
crystal forum
so bad that people have to make up shit like him being a psyker and changing what he look slike
storm jungle
to be fair that is fine
because like his power level is literally "whatever the writer allows"
master of biomancy and sexomancy....
dusk patrol
and its just literally nonsense after contradictory nonsense
Ur contradictory nonsense
Got her
crystal forum
i like that he's sometime just a guy
storm jungle
dusk patrol
crystal forum
like the most powerful being in the galaxy in the material realm but just a fucking guy
storm jungle
And yeah i forgot which book but uh, it outright says he could just be a warrior woman if he wanted which is funny lol
my guy has the power of the skyrim developer console
crystal forum
you'd think other races would have made emperors if all it took was a bunch of shamans killing themselves
on a single planet
dusk patrol
They tried, but they didn’t roll high enough
crystal forum
emperor's such a bitch he used loaded dice during his birth
dusk patrol
I’m gonna load your butt with my foot
storm jungle
fallen plaza
I’m gonna load your butt with my foot
😳
crystal forum
it always sounds fun at first with eternal but it always ends up hurting
crystal forum
alright i watched the video
there's even more men of gold lore than i expected
and yeah that shit is vague as hell
storm jungle
there's even more men of gold lore than i expected
Lmao yeah thats basically it
Though where theres "more" its very spread out and unexplored for the most part. Ian has probably done the best explanation of it in the last few years without dragging it to a 1 fucking hour video
fallen plaza
I dunno how people just eat up the same vague shit over and over again and expect so much.
This isnt a 40k thing too, its much worse in other fandoms.
storm jungle
He showcases that much in his video as he scrolls through a page and its just so much filler about men of gold that basically says nothing lol
Its why I prefer Ian's presentation style a lot since he just doesn't stick to lore and sometimes takes a step back mid-video and explains the IRL-happenings aroudn stuff like this.
fallen plaza
He showcases that much in his video as he scrolls through a page and its just **...
Thats why i like snipe and wib for that, especially since they mention rules writers names, and a lot of nice tidbits like how one of the rules writers for lazerburn a game predating 40k would go on to work on Xcom
storm jungle
yeah they are also great, its more that I prefer Ian in some cases since he has that Cool History Teacher vibe a lot of the time
but also seeing those two talk about codexes is PEAK, wish they did more extended videos on it
fallen plaza
Love there vibe, and i just admire there research in general
rose thorn
hey how should i proxy for this lady in my city. My city lives in side a gaint whale god beast skeleton, they harvest isopods that eat the magic bones .
storm jungle
i would say with some aquatic creature instead but i got no idea how attached she is to that manticore lol
rose thorn
i would say with some aquatic creature instead but i got no idea how attached sh...
i was just gonan use a different model and say that htey are a character form my city
fallen plaza
That thing looks like a biblical creature meant to be a metaphor
rose thorn
my cities uh, miltiary general or waht ever
storm jungle
Learn to watch videos loser
rose thorn
i would say with some aquatic creature instead but i got no idea how attached sh...
im just not sure whatcreature to use lmao
rose thorn
yea she is on a 100mm base
storm jungle
OOF
rose thorn
fr
i was thinking a boen dragon but that doenst erally work with the semi oceanic themeing
it has to be something that could fly or pretend to be flying
maybe a crab?
Some fish would work too but eh
storm jungle
the idoneth stuff is like the only fitting ones ye
the problem is thats also limited
might be best to ask in minis
or uh, an AOS server
rose thorn
true i just wanted to ask the metnally deranged 40k lore chat first for their input
storm jungle
lmao all good
rose thorn
last city iadea i had was a bee themed one and i had found this cool bee dragon on etsy i was gonna kit bash
crystal forum
it has to be something that could fly or pretend to be flying
that literally exists
i've seen them on the sea a couple of times
very cool fish
also proof that evolution will do ANYTHING except get a job
rose thorn
so its eitehr gonna be a fish i attache wings to or a whale
crystal forum
give that whale some majestic ass wings
fallen plaza
Ping, where have you been.
fallen plaza
crystal forum
kill him
crystal forum
maim
are there martial arts in 40k
like do people bother fighting unarmed
there's no way there isn't some space marine somewhere who isn't punching holes in people for the thrill of it
fallen plaza
Theres no reason why there shouldnt be
arctic talon
is the Tau one
but there's absolutely proper martial arts
Arguably the aspect shrines of the Eldar
and the Drukhari Incubi shrines practice a martial art
crystal forum
im not talking about some eldar dancing bullshit
i mean like big buff marine punching people to death
fallen plaza
That is a martial art though
crystal forum
sure but i dont care about those
arctic talon
probably
crystal forum
wait how does a power fist work
crystal forum
is it just punching things
arctic talon
Yes
crystal forum
i love it
crystal forum
is it servo assisted
i see humans use them but can they punch as hard as space marines
arctic talon
i see humans use them but can they punch as hard as space marines
no
arctic talon
is it servo assisted
also no, unless you're in power armor
crystal forum
oh
arctic talon
Still funny the only real xenos powerfist equivelent
is an Eldar weapon
ig also the Ork power klaw
but you usually crush people with it lol
fallen plaza
Powerfist, power klaw, now those i would like to see here
arctic talon
this is not a claw, this is a powerfist eldar are stupid
fallen plaza
Specifically the chaos finger klaw ones, not the lame wolverine claw ones
fallen plaza
Those are my faves
olive dew
Waaaaaahg
tough haven
no
So a default space marine punches as hard as a power fist?
Or do you mean a normal human cant strike as hard as a marine with a power fist?
arctic talon
Or do you mean a normal human cant strike as hard as a marine with a power fist?
This one
dusk patrol
Marines can casually crush skulls in their palms without armor
Plus they train everyday for decades and eventually centuries on different ways to kill mfers as well as have a lot of actual experience.
dusk patrol
i mean like big buff marine punching people to death
Also stuff like this^
Marine martial arts generally is built around punching and grappling or doing knife hand attacks into weak points in an enemy depending on their armor and what not.
Combat knife and bolt pistol is a pretty common combo if they have to get into it at extreme close range like that and don’t have better options
They can often abuse the fact that their armor lets them absorb some of the enemy attacks or lets them deflect stuff, I know there’s a book where a marine using his forearm to knock a power blade swing away from him by whacking the flat part with his arm, it hurts him and fucks up the armor and flesh but it’s an option if they don’t have a better choice.
Some chain weapons they can also try to deflect a bit and hope it doesn’t dig into their armor or that it’s not well made enough to, but obviously this varies.
rocky gale
Bruh moment the Skinnerkin box for FEC is being added to Legends for the new edition, even though they only released like a month or two ago
rose thorn
Bruh moment the Skinnerkin box for FEC is being added to Legends for the new edi...
The grym watch got canned in the 3rd edition battle tomb
So it’s not a new thing
Several of the SCE underworlds stuff didn’t even have legends
queen laurel
Several of the SCE underworlds stuff didn’t even have legends
Hey mags, are god beasts still a thing in aos like are they all extinct or do they still exist
rose thorn
Hey mags, are god beasts still a thing in aos like are they all extinct or do th...
Yup, there are loads that are still alive and doing shit
Mainly they are trapped or hiding
Such as brine god
Aka the god of suicide
queen laurel
Yup, there are loads that are still alive and doing shit
They are the highest tier of wildlife in aos right
queen laurel
They are literal gods
Are god beast weapons one of a kind treasure then
rose thorn
Are god beast weapons one of a kind treasure then
They are animal-
Tjey don’t have weapons
queen laurel
They are animal-
I mean like weapons made out of god beasts
rose thorn
I mean like weapons made out of god beasts
Ya that’s what urgold is made of
It’s made of a dead dwarf god and a god beast
queen laurel
Ya that’s what urgold is made of
Yeah i'm going to have to tone down my character then
I'm just going to say that his weapons are made out of a giant magical bear
I was going to give him a god beast weapon but that seems way to ridiculous
queen laurel
It’s made of a dead dwarf god and a god beast
Oh yes i love gold made out of a dead god and a dead god creature
rose thorn
Also a different dwarf god sneezed and it made urgold too
That’s where we get the kharadon over lords
queen laurel
That’s where we get the kharadon over lords
Okay like last question can i say that my character who is a ghurian human uses the pelt of a giant super powerful bear and its claw as weapons, andy has trained himself to be unbelievably physically strong
rose thorn
rose thorn
Okay like last question can i say that my character who is a ghurian human uses ...
That is literally what Ghur magic is all about
queen laurel
That is literally what Ghur magic is all about
nice i was playing around in elden ring, and really wanted to write him. he fits the average look of a Ghurian well,
thank you for the help
rose thorn
No problem
Don’t forget literally every animal in Ghur is carnivorous
And every plant
queen laurel
Don’t forget literally every animal in Ghur is carnivorous
Ohh trust me the place is going to give skull island a run for its money
Putting a civilization there is both a smart move because the faunaI will act as a defense and well dumb
The place is literally suspected to be alive because of how ******* dangerous it is
shell barn
As someone who’s trying to describe Ogryns to someone who doesn’t play much 40K
Is “Andre the Giant if he was pure muscle.” A good description?
crystal forum
As someone who’s trying to describe Ogryns to someone who doesn’t play much 40K
...
and also had the IQ of a snail
shell barn
Yeah I’m just trying to paint a mental picture for them
queen laurel
As someone who’s trying to describe Ogryns to someone who doesn’t play much 40K
...
Andre the giant if he was basically taller and Dumber and more muscular
that is a pretty good explanation but if you really want to show them
you can just grab a picture off of an art or darktide itself
crystal forum
if your friend knows who brian shaw is, use that as a better example
not just muscle but a lot of fat too
queen laurel
Yeah I’m just trying to paint a mental picture for them
Show them this image and tell them that imagine a child that's like 10 feet tall super muscular and can rip apart a tank with its hands
crystal forum
also surprisingly nice and affectionate
queen laurel
also surprisingly nice and affectionate
i will leave that out because not every ogryn is like that
Sure it's a pretty decently consistent quality but you know
crystal forum
the real frens are <3
queen laurel
I wouldn't try my luck with these guys
shell barn
also surprisingly nice and affectionate
“Sorry sah! Didn’t mean to call you sah, sah!”
crystal forum
further proof that the happiest characters in 40k are the ones who dont care about the politics
storm jungle
also surprisingly nice and affectionate
Glad the Bully ogryn exists solely for this reason tbh.
queen laurel
Glad the Bully ogryn exists solely for this reason tbh.
an ogryn that isn't a goody 2 shoes is fun
and also actually smart too?
It's nice
viral halo
watched the new house of the dragon
I physically blew my edge watching it
Real kino
rocky gale
With how often and casually things are spoiled here it should be the multifandom spoiler chat.
storm jungle
watch it now or else
rocky gale
storm jungle
storm jungle
aw damn it
green loom
I can't wait for Bloody Ben
outer wave
and also actually smart too?
Erm but evidence?
queen laurel
Erm but evidence?
Dan Abnett room
green loom
More overhyped
viral halo
Okay is Dan Abnett that bad of a writer or is he just kinda overhyped?
he's a good writer; he just writes too much sometimes
Some of his stuff can be described as exhausting
crystal forum
he's a good writer; he just writes too much sometimes
i blame the editor, if there even is one, for not cutting out the useless shit
i just finished reading a 1073 page novel that had better editing than most stuff i've read from black library
queen laurel
i blame the editor, if there even is one, for not cutting out the useless shit
Trying to cut off the work of dan is like trying to cut off the head of a hydra
You will have to read every single written letter
And word
And cut them into understandable sentences
queen laurel
that's what editors do
Yeah but can you imagine trying to
Do that with Dan
The guy with an notorious reputation for writing so much it literally becomes at some kind of psychological attack
Like he makes good stuff yeah
But since he has been in the industry of writing for so long he can basically has a lot of you know leeway
crystal forum
see here's the thing
either he thinks he's too good for an editor, which would make him an asshole
or GW thinks he's too good to need an editor
far more famous writers work with editors all the time
i genuinely think it could also be GW not wanting to pay for an editor working so hard and because thicker book = more perceived value from customers
it's just pure slop
wicked lion
you know, its a little weird that there arent any salamander techmarines with a weapon that is both an omnissian axe and thunderhammer in one
both are power weapons, they just disharge differently.
ie, power pollaxe
arctic talon
you know, its a little weird that there arent any salamander techmarines with a ...
Omnissian axes generally are kept in the form they're gifted to the tech priest/tech marine
the only real modifications made are usually to the hilt and such
wicked lion
Omnissian axes generally are kept in the form they're gifted to the tech priest/...
yeah, but salamanders specifically like to make their own stuff
queen laurel
yeah, but salamanders specifically like to *make their own stuff*
Yeah but you're talking about the mechanicals here
They love their stuff
And sharing isn't in their vocabulary
wicked lion
so im surprised that no salamander techmarine, under the teachings and guidance of a techpriest, has made a weapon that is both an omnissian axe and thunderhammer in one
arctic talon
yeah, but salamanders specifically like to *make their own stuff*
again, you don't make your own Omnissian axe
its gifted to you by your master/teacher
wicked lion
again, you don't make your own Omnissian axe
well, its not NORMAL, no
arctic talon
A poweraxe/Thunder hammer hybrid prolly could be made
wicked lion
but salamanders also just arent normal
arctic talon
but also it wouldn't be an Omnissian axe, it doesn't hold the weight of tradition
Techmarines are weirdos
viral halo
so im surprised that no salamander techmarine, under the teachings and guidance ...
most techmarines lean more towards the teachings and culture of admech rather than that of their home chapter after so many years being trained by tech priests
arctic talon
^
queen laurel
*but salamanders also just arent normal*
Yeah they're super warriors that burn children there's nothing normal about them
arctic talon
Techmarines are split between the culture of their chapter and the culture of the mechanicus
wicked lion
most techmarines lean more towards the teachings and culture of admech rather th...
sure, but salamanders specifically break all kinds of normal rules for space marines
queen laurel
sure, but salamanders specifically break all kinds of normal rules for space mar...
Uh no
They are pretty compliant
With imperium regulations
arctic talon
Well
wicked lion
They are pretty compliant
rules is the wrong word
queen laurel
they only have 7 companies
Well as rule compliant as a super soldier is anyway
wicked lion
i meant more like
tradition?
wicked lion
thats the word im looking for
queen laurel
i meant more like
tradition?
You want them to try and break the tradition of the one that literally provides all of their technology and weaponry?
The literal faction that keeps this entire rotting empire running
wicked lion
most space marines dont get to see their pre-spacemarine families
salamanders do
most space marines dont forge their own weapons
wicked lion
salmanders do
queen laurel
most space marines dont get to see their pre-spacemarine families
Yes but that doesn't make them any good
queen laurel
Yes it's a price
If a salamander is going to use one it's going for be from a mechanicus
viral halo
The admech are able to take space marines and basically brainwash them into their culture rather than wholly that of their home chapters which is an INSANE feat if you think about it
wicked lion
to you by your master/superior/teacher
well yeah, but thats why i specified forged under the guidance of a techpriest
queen laurel
Not one he made
wicked lion
ie, would still be a gift, to some degree
green loom
Tech marines go to learn on Mars or an equivalent forgeworld, could be he got so friendly with a teacher that they gifted him one
viral halo
well yeah, but thats why i specified *forged under the guidance* of a techpriest
tech heresy smh
letting outsiders forge their shit
queen laurel
Yeah uh
arctic talon
again, I don't see why a normal poweraxe + thunderhammer hybrid
queen laurel
Mechanicus rules
arctic talon
wouldn't be used
tech marines don't have to carry their omnissian axe everywhere they aren't like tech priests where someone might question if you actually hold a proper rank
viral halo
Tech marines even wear the cog correct?
arctic talon
Yeah
Like a techmarine is painted in the colors of a forgeworld(usually mars) and like
people usually don't question marines in the first place, much less a cyborg one thats got mechanicus symbols + chapter symbols slapped on them
arctic talon
I don't see why a "standard" poweraxe/hammer hybrid
arctic talon
with just like
a pauldron of their chapter
yeah
fun fact we've seen a grand total of 2 tech marines not in red primarily
wicked lion
I don't see why a "standard" poweraxe/hammer hybrid
it wouldnt be a standard thing
MOST techmarines wouldnt
but salamanders specifically are incredible craftsman, and love power hammers
arctic talon
there's one in a Forgeworld supplement who's in Orange(ryza) and there's that one ultramarine techmarine whos got a lot of blue on him
then make a thunderhammer and poweraxe hybrid
its not an omnissian axe
wicked lion
so i could see a salamander techpriest wanting to incorperate a thunderhammer into his axe
celest dome
Omnisian Axe aren't just Power axes and hammers
wicked lion
and, if it was made under the guidance of a techpreist, especially a high ranking one
it likely wouldnt be tech heresy
i guess itd be an "omnissian pollaxe"
but like, itd have the same value as a normal omnissian axe
celest dome
Can also be other type of weapons, the Omnisian part are techno sigils
wicked lion
Omnisian Axe aren't just Power axes and hammers
omnissian axes are power axes
celest dome
But sometime they are shock, and can even be Chain
wicked lion
queen laurel
there's one in a Forgeworld supplement who's in Orange(ryza) and there's that on...
Oh yeah wolf funny question
How would a max level Tarnished fair in aos
wicked lion
(i realize this wiki isnt 100% accurate)
celest dome
Lexi is more accurate
arctic talon
Oh yeah wolf funny question
How would a max level Tarnished fair in aos
idk
wicked lion
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Omnissian_Axe
this source ALSO says power axe
arctic talon
Omnisian Axe aren't just Power axes and hammers
they are specifically power axes
queen laurel
idk
You failed me damn it i thought you know lore
I'm kidding i'm just going to try to figure it out
wicked lion
so yes, omnissian axe ARE power axes
and thunderhammers ARE power hammers
would making a combi poweraxe/thunderhammer be difficult?
sure
but if anybody could do it, itd be the techmarine of the legion known for craftsmanship, specializing in power hammers, under the guidance of a techpriest
it would also just be thematic and cool
green loom
You're just changing the head shape
wicked lion
You're just changing the head shape
...no?
thunderhammers discharge their energy differently
psword vs paxe is mostly just blade shape, yes
thunderhammers are different
green loom
It's not any more difficult for the crazed smiths and engineers of 40k
wicked lion
"Where other power weapons emit a constant energy field, the thunder hammer is designed to energize the power field only upon impact, enabling it to conserve energy until it is actually needed, and allowing the weapon to deliver a particularly devastating blow[2]. Upon impact, the thunder hammer's blue energy field explodes with a thunderous crack, more often than not smashing through armour, and leaving a smoking hole that crackles with blue sparks[2]. The power unleashed on impact is such that a warrior not in Terminator armour will likely be knocked over. The weapon's main drawback in combat is its slowness in delivering a strike compared to most other close combat weapons."
so like, discharging the thunderhammer would likely disable the power part of the axe for several seconds
celest dome
The "Axe" part is not attached/connected to the Wrench part, so why not
green loom
so like, discharging the thunderhammer would likely disable the power part of th...
If you want that downside
wicked lion
The "Axe" part is not attached/connected to the Wrench part, so why not
exactly! like, theres already a spot on the axe for it to go
and youd realisticaly just be replaceing a tool
with a different tool
hammer instead of wrench
wicked lion
If you want that downside
well i imagine the 2 would be running off the same power source
green loom
They don't have to
wicked lion
the idea SOUNDS crazy
but, mechanically and lore wise, its pretty grounded
give salamander techmarines omnissian pollaxes
the ultimate powerweapon
green loom
the idea SOUNDS crazy
but, mechanically and lore wise, its pretty grounded
Crazier than regular bullshit that's commonplace in 40k?
wicked lion
Crazier than regular bullshit that's commonplace in 40k?
i mean
powerweapons are dark age tech iirc
queen laurel
i mean
powerweapons are dark age tech iirc
Nopw
arctic talon
i think they are
queen laurel
They are still made modern day
queen laurel
Yeah they are from that era but they are still made today
So they're not really crazy to bring along
Character processing something that cannot be remade however
wicked lion
yeah but the tech is from the dark age
oddly enough, i cant FIND that on the pwoerhammer page
queen laurel
Now that is what is crazy
queen laurel
oddly enough, i cant FIND that on the pwoerhammer page
Just search up lex power weapon
Lexicanum power weapon to be exact
wicked lion
Just search up lex power weapon
i checked both the power sword and thunderhammer pages on the lexicanum
and ive now also checked the power weapons page and cant find it there either
celest dome
I might be miss remembering but Hieronomus Tezla has a Chain Axe, and I think it has been refered to Omnisian Axe before
wicked lion
I might be miss remembering but Hieronomus Tezla has a Chain Axe, and I think it...
that tube on the back maxes me believe it may also be a power weapon
young pecan
I might be miss remembering but Hieronomus Tezla has a Chain Axe, and I think it...
Those chains look more tickley than slicey
wicked lion
power chainaxe?
feasible, maybe?
arctic talon
They exist
queen laurel
I might be miss remembering but Hieronomus Tezla has a Chain Axe, and I think it...
A chain weapon that is also powered
arctic talon
Kharn has one
queen laurel
power chainaxe?
feasible, maybe?
Eviscerators my guy
arctic talon
And so do other world eaters
young pecan
choweraxe
queen laurel
Chain weapons with power fields are a thing
wicked lion
Eviscerators my guy
EVISERATORS ARE POWERED?