#40k-lore-chat

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crystal forum
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nah im good

lone quest
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Anyways which is better goblin or dungeon meshi kobold?

rose thorn
crystal forum
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homophobic memes i enjoy though

outer wave
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DM it

rose thorn
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It’s not great.

outer wave
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I can confirm its awful

crystal forum
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im glad we have an agreement

queen laurel
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That sounds like your average warhammer account

thorn zenith
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i mean, its pretty normal for people who have hateboners for gays and trans to either have fetish for or are that themselves

shell mason
paper haven
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I feel as though both are possible

crystal forum
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what are the power cables on hot shot lasguns

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are they just eletrical cables or do they hold a liquid

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they look so weirdly rubbery

dusk patrol
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Power feed

storm jungle
rocky gale
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They're liquorice cables incase the operator gets hungry

dusk patrol
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Generally attached to the power pack

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I rescind my statement

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Larmoth is right

crystal forum
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i wonder what happens if they get cut

dusk patrol
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Unfortunately because Grimdark it is black licorice

crystal forum
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here's the real kicker though:

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would it be a fiber optic situation or an eletrical cable one

storm jungle
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💀

dusk patrol
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I imagine it’s not made to be safely cut

paper haven
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Heavy duty power cables look like that. Seeing as how, you don't actually want them to be cut.

crystal forum
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like if you cut it do you just get cut in half by pure laser energy or electrocuted

paper haven
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Depending on how lasguns work, cutting the cables would either just mean the gun is out of power or make it explode.

crystal forum
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it probably just explodes yeah

storm jungle
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electrical current/buzzing is more likely

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explosion doesnt really make any sense

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the real power-source is the backpack, not the cable

queen laurel
crystal forum
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the power source is magic, that we know from experience at least

storm jungle
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its just electricity or some more miniaturized power source from modern day

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magic is more necrons/eldar thing

paper haven
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Short circuit. Cutting the cable connects the internal neatral and positive wires together. Boom.

crystal forum
paper haven
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Unless there's a breaker or some kind of fuse in the power pack, which considering how plasma guns work, seems unlikely.

crystal forum
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dont hot shot lasguns tend to explode?

storm jungle
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Not really

crystal forum
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or am i thinking of plasma guns

storm jungle
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they barrels tend to melt from overuse

queen laurel
glossy cedar
queen laurel
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lasguns are the most reliable weapons of the imperium

storm jungle
glossy cedar
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I wonder if plasma pistols are as iffy as full size plasma guns

storm jungle
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plasma weapons dont explode unless you actively abuse the firing

queen laurel
storm jungle
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Depends on the writer

crystal forum
glossy cedar
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I really need to learn how to play tabletop

queen laurel
glossy cedar
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But these hands were not made for painting miniatures

crystal forum
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which is funny

paper haven
storm jungle
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^

dusk patrol
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Explain this then

storm jungle
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AAAAA-

glossy cedar
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Jesus Christ

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Magazine issues aside, a plasma gun master key is a dope concept

paper haven
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We have a:
Bullpup boltgun with underslung Plasmagun

crystal forum
dusk patrol
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They get pretty wacky

glossy cedar
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Need lasgun with masterkey for next update

dusk patrol
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That is a very special one though

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And at least now it’s a lot less goofy

paper haven
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Combiweapons are literallly gun plus other gun

crystal forum
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my favorite is probably the combi flamer on the leviathan box knife lieutenant guy

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just a bolter with a flamer on it

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what more would you ever want

dusk patrol
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Tbf this is also a better version of the same fun, before the current one

glossy cedar
storm jungle
paper haven
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Bolt pistol on the multimelta

dusk patrol
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That art is older and comes
from someone taking the model version too literally

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Since the model is “smushed” for the old Azrael model so he could hold it like that with their old casting ability

crystal forum
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melta and bolter is good combo too

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sudden tank destruction whenever you want

paper haven
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Melta is the main weapon.

dusk patrol
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There’s some really sick relic combi-meltas we see

paper haven
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Bolter secondary

dusk patrol
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There’s one called the Gatebreaker or something which fires a wide cone melta blast

queen laurel
crystal forum
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intercessor squads have this really cool underslung grenade launcher bolter

dusk patrol
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Multi meltas are a lot wider typically

storm jungle
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the shotgun thing is a SM invention

rocky gale
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Huh, according to the latest WarCom article Steve Lyons didn't want to originally write about DKoK, he wanted to write about Necrons and basically picked DKoK to pair against them because he thought they looked cool.

paper haven
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SM made it look like a laser shotgun

rocky gale
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Now he's stuck as the Krieg guy

storm jungle
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LOL

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WHAT

queen laurel
storm jungle
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it actually explains why this book just sucked

rocky gale
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"I actually started with the Necrons. I wanted to write for them, so I had to find an Imperial Guard regiment to pit against them. I looked through a list of regiments for inspiration. I didn’t know much about the Death Korps of Krieg, but they jumped out at me, precisely because they seemed similar to Necrons in some respects"

queen laurel
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Ohh hey this is a pretty neat kill team art

paper haven
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Dead men walking was... An odd book

storm jungle
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The ending made me laugh

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ill honestly admit it

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lol

paper haven
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It is kinda funny

queen laurel
storm jungle
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he literally went

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"im gonna cosplay as krieg"

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okay buddy good luck with those necrons

paper haven
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Actually the necrons have more personality

storm jungle
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Ironically yeah

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BUT

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Im pretty sure this was pre-newcrons

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like a literal year or months

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but not like it takes anything from the story, we never see necron "leaders" in it

dusk patrol
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I mean he was doing ok before that. But it’s more he didn’t care anymore he was so dead inside by the end.

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Personality

paper haven
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Hm. I don't recall when the book took place, I was too caught up with the whole necron slavery subplot and Krieg cosplayer.

dusk patrol
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Characters

dusk patrol
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Perhaps he was some kind of dead man

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Cruising about

storm jungle
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a dead men.... walking

paper haven
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Well he's definitely dead now

storm jungle
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walking...dead

storm jungle
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And yeah i get the reasoning behind it

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its more that it was just "well okay i guess"

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im also a sick fuck so i guess its why it made me laugh more than feel any sort of sadness

paper haven
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Mostly I was just perplexed by it. Dude, it's been like a week, you are not that bad off, use your new skills and get the hell out of there.

queen laurel
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you're one scary mf

storm jungle
storm jungle
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I get it his mind was broken because the e-girl he was simping for left

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but like yeah the fuck do you want her to do lmao

queen laurel
paper haven
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Crazy thing is if he just got her attention, she probably would have immediately went with him.

dusk patrol
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That’s

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The point

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He’s completely changed

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He goes from bright and cheery and all that to being a husk

storm jungle
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Yeah but its not done well is our point

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lol

dusk patrol
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He’s literally the title smh

storm jungle
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Im gonna make you a dead man walking in a minute

paper haven
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It was done poorly, yeah

dusk patrol
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Idk it’s kinda silly to be like “man all you saw was countless horrors over a week or two why are you so sad smh”

storm jungle
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Its probably the way it was written tbh

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that and i just did not like him as a character

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not biased

paper haven
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Immense trauma is one hell of a thing to go through, but is it enough to make you lose your will to live? Especially when you have a clear shot at escape?

storm jungle
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As the 40k rule goes

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it depends

paper haven
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Yeah yeah yeah

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I liked the commissar more.

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Like I get it’s a book but he witnesses some fucked up stuff

queen laurel
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Warhammer has too much cooks in the kitchen

outer wave
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I'd pay good money to see that

paper haven
river walrus
queen laurel
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The details can absolutely get mixed here and there

dusk patrol
river walrus
dusk patrol
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Dudes in WW1 weren’t on the front long

river walrus
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Thats what i meant

dusk patrol
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And they weren’t constantly fighting when they were often

paper haven
dusk patrol
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Well the next point was, a Necron invasion is a fair bit worse than that

paper haven
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He had a way out and a reason to want to leave, the girl he loved.
Instead he just gives up.

dusk patrol
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He doesn’t give up he has a reason he states directly

paper haven
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It'd be different if his situation was hopeless but it really wasn't

outer wave
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Sounds like something got lost in translation with the idea vs the execution/writing of the idea

dusk patrol
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I mean he literally just says it

tough haven
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But nope

paper haven
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My point is that it was poorly written. His reason doesn't ring true to me.

dusk patrol
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I don’t think it’s a good reason but he’s not exactly in a rational state of mind

tough haven
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^

dusk patrol
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And he’s not supposed to be, the point is he’s kinda dead inside and nihilistic, and wants to kill “one more” for each guy who couldn’t

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Idk why we’re ascribing a rational state of mind to a dude whose basically insane by the end

tough haven
dusk patrol
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He’s someone who didn’t have a hard life at all and suddenly he’s out into that situation

tough haven
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It’s a case by case basis though

dusk patrol
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Yeah

tough haven
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It’s not entirely unbelievable

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Is it good writing? Debatable, probably not

dusk patrol
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Like it’s not gonna be like that for everyone but I don’t think it’s that crazy that a person could break like that

paper haven
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He saw horrible things but he also showed to be determined and willful. Not an hour before, he was going to dive into a necron tomb with a nuke strapped to his chest.

dusk patrol
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And it wasn’t unclear at all what was being told

tough haven
dusk patrol
paper haven
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He had changed but at the last moment he just. Throws everything he could have away, the very reason he did it all in the first place.

tough haven
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Will can only take you so far

paper haven
tough haven
outer wave
tough haven
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Who’s been somewhat brainwashed by a regiment that is willing to sell their lives dearly over all else

outer wave
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Bro is not in the right mindset it sounds if he wants to willingly throw himself into a tomb and blow it up with a nuke

paper haven
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If he's trying to emulate the krieg, he failed.
They left when the fight was impossible, he walked right up to them.

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That's suicide.

dusk patrol
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The one girlfriend lady he has doesn’t recognize him at all which is kinda the point, he might as well be a new person. He’s can’t just hop on the flyer and leave

tough haven
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You need proper mental constructs and tools in addition to resiliency and will to rationally view your options in hopeless or difficult situations and that is 100% not taught widely in the 40K universe lol

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(Or ours)

tough haven
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When in reality it’s just cold numbers and efficiency with them

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Sure they are willing to lay down their lives, but only if it’s deemed to be worth the trade

tough haven
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I did like a pdf perspective for a while though

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More books like that might be cool

outer wave
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40k Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now

paper haven
dusk patrol
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I don’t envy being your guys English teacher

tough haven
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I’d ascribe that to the writer just deciding he needs to die lol

paper haven
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The Heart of darkness comparison is actually pretty good, but again, it was not written well at all.

dusk patrol
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Like yeah he’s not rational

outer wave
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That would be wild

tough haven
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Like a pointless struggle into a death would have been one thing, but he just says “nah actually I’m just gonna keep killing robots”

paper haven
dusk patrol
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I don’t think the book is that great but that part was super obvious what was going on I thought

paper haven
dusk patrol
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Yes

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Once again he’s not being rational

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This is like almost an overdone trope for war movies and stuff

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Bright eyed person gets put through hell and changes for the worse

paper haven
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It doesn't make any sense that he would just give up. He had options.

dusk patrol
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Idk man

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People break and do irrational things or whatever

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From much lesser things

paper haven
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Sure but irrational isn't the same as suicidal.

dusk patrol
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Why not?

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Irrational just means it doesn’t make sense, it can easily be suicidal

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For him it was about caring more about settling a score than he did going back to his old life

tough haven
paper haven
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Because most of that irrational behavior is usually driven by an impulse. His stated impulse is to keep fighting, something which he has shown he knows how to do. He understands clearly what his chances are and what he is doing.

dusk patrol
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Yes and that changes him

tough haven
dusk patrol
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To survive he has to become someone else

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And doing that kills him

tough haven
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Anyways, book wasn’t great, we should probably move on

paper haven
dusk patrol
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Going in circles yeah

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Regardless, yeah I don’t care for the books much

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They’re fine

outer wave
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Guys we should write a 40k book together....

paper haven
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Egh. Fine.

dusk patrol
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Dead Men Walking is probably the best

paper haven
outer wave
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Hilarious*

paper haven
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Terrilarouis

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Anyway, 40k apocalypse now is a book by Henry Zou called Flesh and Iron

dusk patrol
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Uh

outer wave
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I'll keep that in mind, thank you!

dusk patrol
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About that guy…

paper haven
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Something up?

dusk patrol
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Henry Zou sorta ripped a war memoir for one of his books

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Got canned by BL immediately after

storm jungle
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Which is funny

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because hes also a fucking veteran

paper haven
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Huh.

storm jungle
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lmao

paper haven
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Which book?

storm jungle
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Bastion Wars iirc

paper haven
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Never read it. Scumbag move, Zou.

storm jungle
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I think i get his reasoning behind it, he just didnt think it through.

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also yeah this is like a mid 2000's book, pretty old

paper haven
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What was his reasoning? Some kind of tribute or reimagining?

dusk patrol
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It’s a pretty blatant rip so whatever he says

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Probably laziness or concern about being able to write the book idk. It’s weird too cause he could have gotten away with it if he just changed more

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But it’s a blatant rip

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Made 40k

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And it’s also the worst book of the three imo for 40k

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It read weird

paper haven
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Weird

dusk patrol
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Genuinely I thought a lot of his stuff was good but yeah

storm jungle
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I mean it is good

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but also career ending move is career ending move

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Unrelated gif.

storm jungle
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I mean...

river walrus
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Tbh not far from the truth

paper haven
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I keep forgeting that he stared in a Call of Duty game.

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Press F to pay respects.

river walrus
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Wait he died?

paper haven
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What? no. I mean, probably

queen laurel
river walrus
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Add some teeths to him

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Turn his skin green

paper haven
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I don't know, but I meant for Call of Duty.

river walrus
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Make him frown

river walrus
dusk patrol
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Just his career

storm jungle
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Nah

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the people that reported his behavior surely mysteriously died though

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what a tragedy, wonder what happened

dusk patrol
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You guys need to read a fucking book or news article jfc

storm jungle
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LMFAO

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let me meme you fuckhead

dusk patrol
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How do you not know what happened to Kevin Spacey

dusk patrol
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You need to read less

paper haven
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I don't give a damn about famous people in general.

storm jungle
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Okay to be fair

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unless you actually are within the media sphere or know a lot of movies

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you will basically see him as "oh yeah that famous dude"

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so i kinda get it

dusk patrol
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Or if you’ve touched grass

paper haven
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I actually couldn't remember his name

dusk patrol
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He was probably one of the more infamous MeToo deals

river walrus
paper haven
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Don't worry, Ulgo. I'll read for you.

dusk patrol
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You guys make Ogryns look well informed and educated

river walrus
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Thanks

dusk patrol
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But no it is funny to me

river walrus
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Wait

dusk patrol
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But it’s also been like seven years

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So I guess

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It makes sense

river walrus
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You guess?

subtle hawk
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hey guy's

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what is going on here

arctic talon
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lore™️

tough haven
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To be fair, he does embody the Orkoid virtue of failing upwards

rain tusk
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Why is that snake oil merchant mentioned in here?

tough haven
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How are servitor rounds made?

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Just like little bits of brain matter in the bullet?

dusk patrol
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Basically

outer wave
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Why would you make servitor rounds?

dusk patrol
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They’re able to track and go around corners and shit

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Homing rounds basically

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Automatically headshot or go for weak points and all that

outer wave
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Okay that's cool but also incredibly dumb sounding

storm jungle
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Its why human tracing rounds IRL are basically never funded lmao

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also unrelated but need to keep this image handy for anyone who keeps asking how the Imperium finds psykers that escape black ships

Me an intellectual:

rocky gale
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Special equipment for the aura inspection

dusk patrol
rocky gale
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Servitor rounds is what happens when you tell someone you want Smart Bullets and they take it literally.

outer wave
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My ultra hyper realistic brain is screaming at the idea though

storm jungle
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its dumb and unconventional ye

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dont think so hard on it

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the military industrial complex tries to invent shit like this all the time before giving up because the idea costs too much and is stupid

wraith quartz
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Hey, don't have an anecdote ready. Got sidetracked since Monday so I don't have much of a mojo

storm jungle
wraith quartz
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So I'm playing catch up with some lore bits...

dusk patrol
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It’s supposed to be a super expensive round which you have an super decked out elite force using, they’re not firing this shit willy nilly

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Its Judge Dredd basically

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They have all these exotic rounds for wacky scenarios

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And because it’s cool

outer wave
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Idk considering the amount and cost of life on hive worlds plus how common servitors are, I'd assume these kinds of rounds are likely given to Arbites or some other military police faction within a hive city

dusk patrol
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That’s

outer wave
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Like they're very common

dusk patrol
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Arbites are super elite

outer wave
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Damn

dusk patrol
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They’re not

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Arbites get the good shit

rocky gale
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I could see some Spire Noble using Servitor Rounds in a Gatling gun.

storm jungle
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It will be given to both of your skulls in a second...

arctic talon
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Skitarii use servitor rounds in galvanic rifles

dusk patrol
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Meanwhile a Vindicare is having an aneurysm as to why someone would use a servitor round

outer wave
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Yeah I hate this kind of gameplay

dusk patrol
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Counter terrorists win

outer wave
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It just feels so unfun

wraith quartz
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So, I've read a bit of the Elyssiarchy or the "Imperial Cult". And frankly I'm not that Sætïsfiêd from what I gathered. So I have some questions to ask.

arctic talon
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Which one

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turbo penetrator?

celest dome
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All of them

arctic talon
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or all of them

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oh

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huh

dusk patrol
celest dome
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And yeah appart from bigger shells rounds only have Cogitators and not full on Servitorisation parts

storm jungle
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and add some flavor of more christian-fascism

arctic talon
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Ecclisarchy isn't that catholic is it?

dusk patrol
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It’s also not one thing. It molds to the world in how it works, some it will be a sun god others it’ll be more spiritual whatever, others a Neptune thing or fisher king, and whatever

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It’s a similar vein across all but it doesn’t follow a common mythology often

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“It depends”

celest dome
arctic talon
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Yeah the admech is absurdly Catholic lol

arctic talon
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The Ecclisarchy tries to weave the emperor into local myths and suck

storm jungle
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im muslim lmao

wraith quartz
arctic talon
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yeah there's way too much idolatry

storm jungle
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The main body is still very much christian

arctic talon
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ye

storm jungle
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so like the divergence doesnt really matter in the wider showcase/artistic representation

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also i forgot the entire thing of their missionaries "converting" people to their religion was something they did IRL too lmao

dusk patrol
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There’s also some worlds which have a very Islamic approach we see

storm jungle
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I mean

dusk patrol
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It’s very similar to the Roman deal where you can do it how you want to some degree but you have to worship our dude

storm jungle
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but yes

arctic talon
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I think the idea of it is better then the execution, so I will think of the ideal rather then the execution

dusk patrol
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As opposed to the spot on Catholic representation?

arctic talon
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LOL

dusk patrol
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Its 40k it’s all goofy

wraith quartz
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So, before Big E kicked off the crusade. It was the "Word Bearors" that started this shenanigan.

storm jungle
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Theres a difference between tallarn praying on rugs and becoming literal suicide bombers in tau occupied cities

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i forgot what story that was but god

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legit hate it

dusk patrol
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Not touching this subject

storm jungle
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Authors cant write religion moment.

arctic talon
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The last church

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reddit Emperor goes crazy

wraith quartz
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So, before Big E kicked off the crusade. It was the "Word Bearors" that started this shenanigan.

arctic talon
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not really?

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The Word Bearers didn't start the religion thing till they met Lorgar

storm jungle
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It was always fully the Emperor's fault for setting up the dominoes yeah

arctic talon
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They were in charge of killing religous people/burning books lol

dusk patrol
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They were more just like

dusk patrol
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Propaganda hype boys

storm jungle
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what did 40k mean by this

arctic talon
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The Imperial Heralds

wraith quartz
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Ah

dusk patrol
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They heralded

arctic talon
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or whatever their pre primarch name was

dusk patrol
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Yeah it’s that

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Not the worst first name

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Looking at you

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Dusk Raiders

wraith quartz
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What was the Emperor's stance on being worshiped ?

arctic talon
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hates it

dusk patrol
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He didn’t care for it

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This became an issue

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Also lol irony cause you know

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He’s worshipped now

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Do you get it?

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If you don’t, don’t worry

wraith quartz
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A little

dusk patrol
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They will make this joke fifty thousand fucking times

storm jungle
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I CLAPPED BECAUSE DUNE REFERENCE

dusk patrol
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And foreshadow it every five minutes

arctic talon
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Dune is so cool I wish islam was real

storm jungle
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AAA-

storm jungle
arctic talon
storm jungle
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"He denies his godhood, he IS the messiah!"

rocky gale
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Important news, the new D&D book will come with exclusive preorder bonuses, tiered premium content and early access.

storm jungle
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GW Moment

dusk patrol
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Life of Brian> Dune 2 is definitely one of the weirdest reboots ever

arctic talon
arctic talon
plush mason
dusk patrol
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But but the encryption

wraith quartz
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Right, so the Elyssiarchy and Administarum are basically rivals but still both work for the Imperium?

storm jungle
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Yes.

rocky gale
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One of the Preorder bonuses is a digital mini on a Virtual Tabletop service that hasn't even been made yet 💀

plush mason
arctic talon
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Me when I'm reading a destiny lore tab and its suddenly in French and says Inshallah

storm jungle
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every imperium department is rivals with each other for that political clout

plush mason
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^

arctic talon
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No one gets along

wraith quartz
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Hmm, loregryn

arctic talon
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Literal cut throat politics

plush mason
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infighting is the cornerstone of the imperium

dusk patrol
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It’s also goes for within the department itself

storm jungle
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Bro the scribes are literally playing GTA turf wars in their department

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using pipe-guns and pipe-bombs and shit

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its fucking hilarious lmao

plush mason
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i wonder what they use for ammo in their pipe-guns

storm jungle
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anything they can find

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or shrapnel

dusk patrol
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And Zendaya was such a buzzkill smh

storm jungle
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LMAO

arctic talon
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I think literally only 4 fremen die in that movie on screen

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lol

dusk patrol
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Yes we get it yass queen

storm jungle
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Its a lot of background stuff mostly

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if she cant take the heat

dusk patrol
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Now let’s go do some galactic genocide

storm jungle
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she can get out of the kitchen

dusk patrol
#

Also she can maybe find a accent there

storm jungle
#

BRUH

arctic talon
#

does anyone know french, I don't trust google translate

dusk patrol
#

It is kinda a funny duality of like, the prophesy sucks cause what it does but for the Fremen it’s kinda hard to argue it’s bad for a long long time from their perspective

storm jungle
#

Yeah like Paul is gonna cause a massacre sure but its kinda needed to some degree.

dusk patrol
#

They kinda just keep getting dubs

storm jungle
#

Would i partake in it tho prob not

#

i got better stuff to do, like spice

dusk patrol
#

I might do the occasional rolling blade stab genocide

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Gotta get out a bit

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See the galaxy

arctic talon
#

commit an atrocity to avoid humanity wiping itself out

dusk patrol
#

Meet new people

arctic talon
#

or something

dusk patrol
#

Kill them for being heretics

arctic talon
#

I forgor what The Golden Path was

rocky gale
#

Depends, Paul and Leto II's golden path diverge slightly from eachother

wraith quartz
#

So, what I read from the Age of Apostasy. The Ministarum basically CRIPPLED any military formation in the Elyssiarchy. So how did they circumvent this besides the SoB?

dusk patrol
#

Somewhere along the line it means someone has gotta be a worm god

dusk patrol
#

Since SoB aren’t beholden to the church really

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They exist to keep them in line as much as defend them

rocky gale
#

Leto's involving becoming a Tyrant so horrifyingly oppressive that it instilled in humanity a genetic hatred of oppression.

arctic talon
#

but generally the ecclesiarchy has no actual army

dusk patrol
#

Watchmen does it too but idk if I like that one as much

#

One sec Alan Moore is outside my house rn trying to break in to strangle me

storm jungle
#

Watchmen does it great

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the problem is Moore tried to do the opposite

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and kinda failed

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which helps the story

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lmao

dusk patrol
#

I’ll just clarify I mean the movie so he’ll go away

storm jungle
#

💀

#

I DONT WANT THE GIANT SQUID

wraith quartz
#

So the Elyssiarchy isn't too "fond" of this Confederation of Light

dusk patrol
#

That is one thing I think the movie did better

storm jungle
#

Also the reasoning is great

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a fucking giant squid would legit ruin the mood

#

lmao

dusk patrol
#

It makes Dr Manhattan leaving make more sense too

storm jungle
#

Yeah he also already hates humanity

#

him leaving fits his character better

storm jungle
#

but like

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their only lore is in the first sister codex

dusk patrol
#

Imagine cheating on a guy who perceives all time periods at once smh

storm jungle
#

Dr Manhattan splitting into 5 people so he can paint minis and bang chicks 💀

#

with Thor gone im pretty sure these guys are basically non-existant

dusk patrol
#

Also imagine you’re the lover of the most godlike being on Earth

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And you’re like “I’m gonna cheat with this owl dude”

storm jungle
#

idk man the spandex is pretty sweet

dusk patrol
#

At least break up first smh

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

I mean it works out but still

dusk patrol
storm jungle
plush mason
storm jungle
#

Nah its an Owl

dusk patrol
#

Alan Moore when he makes a super badass detective with a kickass look whose smart, anti authority and stands by his convictions people like him

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
#

Who could have seen this coming

storm jungle
#

also movie rorschach is leagues better than the comic one yeah

#

the comic one is like... literally an incel

dusk patrol
#

People normally hate all that stuff

storm jungle
#

they both also eat BEANS

shadow plover
#

what's wrong with beans...

storm jungle
#

they just are

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

LMFAO

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God

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also "Possibly homosexual? Remember to investigate further." is peak meme format

plush mason
#

one thing the comics did better than the movie was the ending, Manhattan gets the last laugh by leaving the main antag unsure if his plan would work in the long term (it didnt because Rorschach also got the last laugh and ensured the truth would be known)

dusk patrol
#

Also he made a nice final Rorschach painting when he died

#

Because symbolism

storm jungle
#

the beans were the symbolism

storm jungle
#

I say they need to touch grass

plush mason
#

yeah

dusk patrol
#

Mfw I’m the smartest man on the planet and I leave the password to my computer as a book right next to it

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Also it’s a super easy password

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I will say though

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I respect Alan Moores commitment to being a curmudgeony old man

storm jungle
#

to be fair hes literally rasputin

dusk patrol
#

And hating everything adapted from his work

storm jungle
#

extremely relatable tbh

dusk patrol
#

Idk if he even likes his own stuff

storm jungle
#

It depends

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he had a "phase"

dusk patrol
#

And if you’ve given him his morning coffee and donut

queen laurel
#

All right i'm just going to ask this to do factions have their equivalents of aggressors

Basically like these guys use specialized armor that have integrated weapons

Orks have meganobz so you don't have to tell me about that one

storm jungle
#

Uhhh

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"depends"

#

get em lore nerds, im drinking coffee

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Aggressors were kinda stand ins for Termies for a bit tbh and still are sorta

storm jungle
#

Yeah it was prob before GW realised terminators are way too iconic to replace.

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because they 100% debated that

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lol

queen laurel
plush mason
storm jungle
#

That is entirely correct

#

the departments in the studio sometimes has no idea what the other is doing

#

this was confirmed by ex-members lmao

wraith quartz
#

In the Elyssiarchy, if I read this correctly, Exercists are a legit position?

storm jungle
#

Exorcists you mean?

queen laurel
fallen plaza
#

I remember the story about GW not telling forgeworld 8th ed was coming out, and by that time they were about to release a campaign book, fires of cyraxis

arctic talon
#

Fires of Cyraxus was dead already

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the writer died

rocky gale
#

Aggressors are very cool

arctic talon
#

If we want to talk about FW to 40k rules team not talking

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just bring up the 8e rules ports for FW armies

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💀

wraith quartz
plush mason
rocky gale
#

But ye GW departments all hate eachother

storm jungle
arctic talon
fallen plaza
queen laurel
arctic talon
#

do not bring up the forgeworld team

wraith quartz
#

Are they also used within Hereticus and Mallus?

queen laurel
fallen plaza
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It sucks because FW used to have some of the best designers

rocky gale
#

I've heard that the reason HH and 40k models aren't compatible anymore is because the two teams refuse to collaborate at all, HH refuse to limit their models to make them compatible to the 40k rules and 40k team refuse to make rules for HH designed models.

arctic talon
#

The Forgeworld team pretty much gets along with none of GW's main teams

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like ever

#

its kind of absurd

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

FW pretty much imploded when Bligh died unfortunately

storm jungle
#

some Imperial Armor books still overshadow entire warzone events in today's time

#

also yeah Bligh was behind SO MUCH stuff

fallen plaza
#

Badab war is peak 40k

storm jungle
#

he wasnt alone obviously but he was the head honcho

arctic talon
#

I mean he provided proper direction

#

some of the more recent HH like campaign books feel

#

off I guess?

#

idk how to put it in words

#

it feels much more scattered

storm jungle
#

They are off

#

the lore in them also sucks

fallen plaza
#

The old ones werent perfect either to be fair, remember the tourist of prospero?

wraith quartz
#

So, hypothetically speaking would Hereticus and or Mallus call upon an exorcist for assistance if anything "wacky" goes on?

storm jungle
#

Yes

#

again it depends on the situation

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

Darktide actually showcases this

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the moment you kill the daemonhost the body its inhabiting drops dead

#

lmfao

storm jungle
#

literally the most pointless detail but the fact they added it is neat

wraith quartz
fallen plaza
#

This was hilarious

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Imagine being a primordial terror of unknowable age getting clapped by four escaped convicts with rusty weapons who woke you up early

arctic talon
#

The other 2 I'm more

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eh

wraith quartz
#

Like I've seen the seen the deamon go into a portal or blow up, but I never really saw the host body

fallen plaza
#

GW has a way of making factions less cool

dusk patrol
#

Cthonia was fun

arctic talon
#

It was

#

but I didn't really like love it

wraith quartz
#

So can the Elyssiarchy get their own set of Fleet ships?

rocky gale
#

Damnit I thought of a pun and now my mind is turning it into a story.

fallen plaza
#

Sons of horus looked sick, now that there the mascot bad guys there just evil green men

dusk patrol
queen laurel
dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

aka in the Exorcist movie the priests should have just busted a cap in that girl's ass

fallen plaza
#

I dunno why they decided to push sons of horus so much, no one plays them

storm jungle
#

fucking vomiting little shit

dusk patrol
#

He didn’t know the dodge pattern

wraith quartz
storm jungle
#

they are the traitor Ultramarines

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Also most stuff is legion neutral anyways

arctic talon
#

^

dusk patrol
#

They definitely get a lot of stuff but

#

Very little is properly legion centric outside of characters

#

And even that stuff can be proxied

arctic talon
#

I think the champion for loyalists

dusk patrol
arctic talon
#

Feel much more legion locked lol

#

The loyalist champion dude looks imperial fist as hell

fallen plaza
#

The mk6 one?

#

That one sucked anyways, better off proxying it

arctic talon
#

Ye

#

I agree lol

#

The traitor one looks better

#

FW and the citadel modeling teams should just kiss and stop hating each other smh

fallen plaza
#

Either that or use the old resin champion lol

#

That model was always weird to me

dusk patrol
#

That imperial fist tank commander is such a perfect iron hand option

#

Just need to shave away some symbols that’s all

fallen plaza
#

Shame thats the only use of mk2

dusk patrol
#

They’ll add it eventually

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Games workshop likes money

#

I wouldn’t be shocked if eventually, we get some kind of Mk1 option

fallen plaza
#

Idk about mk1

#

Too early, and i think GW would prefer to do all the current armor marks rather than design a new one

#

Then again they redesigned the mk3 so who knows

dusk patrol
#

Unifiction vets still had some sets

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The iron hands, Lord commander being the main example

fallen plaza
#

I wouldnt mind seeing it

dusk patrol
#

He just kept updating and upgrading his

plush mason
#

like only half of it was powered iirc

dusk patrol
#

Mostly but that doesn’t stop people

#

They upgraded it in examples we see

fallen plaza
#

Obsolete is different from just bad

dusk patrol
#

Made it work for void combat

#

It wasn’t true Mk1

#

It was basically artificer for those who could

plush mason
#

so basically mk1a1 lol

arctic talon
#

MK1 imo is genuinely the ugliest power armor

fallen plaza
#

I love all of em mostly

#

The modern stuff im a little mixed

arctic talon
#

I think I like all of them except MK1

#

I like MK10 generally

#

I just didn’t like the egg gravis captain

rocky gale
#

Gravis best

fallen plaza
#

I kinda never liked how psuedo form fitting the primaris stuff looked?

#

Specifically the chest piece

arctic talon
#

For Phobos?

#

Or for the general MK10

fallen plaza
#

Doesnt leave a lot of blank spaces

fallen plaza
arctic talon
#

Ah I see what you mean

fallen plaza
#

I dont mind when armor looks form fitting if it is exclusive to a unit, like the dangles, but when its the default it doesnt feel right personally

#

With all the other marks you could change them up so much you couldn’t tell what pattern it was

wraith quartz
#

Ok, so does the Elyssiarchy have their own fleet of ships?

arctic talon
#

Idk I don’t think it looks that form fitting

#

Personally at least

fallen plaza
wraith quartz
#

So is it a ship built around a church or church built around a ship?

rocky gale
#

He shaves the eagles off and leaves them blank or puts pouches there

fallen plaza
#

Those are a bit better yeah

arctic talon
#

I think I love MK7 chestplates a lot

#

which is why I like MKX ones lol

#

MKX is like 2 of my favorite armor MKs mashed together

fallen plaza
#

Yeah the mk7 is probably the best chesplate out of all the marks

#

It doesnt look naked without an aquila, and is very versatile looks wise

plush mason
#

yeah mk10 is literally just the best parts of the older armors mashed togeather

arctic talon
#

From a lore perspective yeah from a visual one ehhh

crystal forum
#

the worst helmet

crystal forum
# wraith quartz So is it a ship built around a church or church built around a ship?

by all accounts the phalanx (imperial fist's ship which is the biggest one in the whole imperial arsenal) was built during the dark age of humanity. In all its depictions it's straight up a flying cathedral so you start to ask yourself whether humanity has always just loved gothic stuff or the imperium modifies everything to their aesthetic standards.

that or it's lazy writing

storm jungle
#

The gothic aesthetic comes from the Imperium

#

the phalanx was modified

crystal forum
#

you have NO basis for this claim

#

this is an assumption

#

If we follow the Abnettverse then rogal dorn created it from scratch

#

however that makes no sense since "recently" the imperial fists straight up needed custodians to give them a cache of technology just to repair it

#

why would dorn know about dark age technology

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conclusion: 40k's rule of "older is better" leads to a lot of inconsistencies and who cares

nocturne crest
#

What old content could you all see GW bring back as for 40k, Necromunda or Kill-team?

storm jungle
storm jungle
#

because kill-team and necromunda bring back anything from oldhammer that is neat and cool

#

especially compared to the main 40k lines which is what makes them great

crystal forum
#

but that's just his own little vision

storm jungle
#

the gothic aesthetic comes from the Imperium

#

DAOT has no gothic aesthetic to it

crystal forum
#

still makes more sense to me than it being dark age

storm jungle
#

beats me tbh, its literally just a massive space fortress

#

💀

crystal forum
#

dark age shit is even less consistent than ancient alien conspiracies

storm jungle
#

Its pretty consistent

crystal forum
#

also yeah agreed on kill team being pretty much all about bringing in factions that wont ever get the spotlight in 40k

#

which is cool

storm jungle
#

they are always very Ancient Aliens HEHE

#

also yeah

#

KT is goated

#

🐐

crystal forum
#

i just want my dark mechanicum

#

also wait somewhat related question can you play solar auxilia against loyalist forces in 30k?

#

solar auxilia is supposed to be loyalist only right

#

i can see 30k getting a new guardsman regiment for horus's gang

wintry scarab
#

Omg, anyone on pc here. Could you go look at youtube, press on a video and tell me if its an aids update that they just did or if my youtube is just bugged?

crystal forum
#

what does it look like

wintry scarab
#

THe comments are on the right now. It looks so bad

crystal forum
#

i think that's only for livestreams

wintry scarab
#

Im on a video tho

crystal forum
#

doesnt look like that for me

wintry scarab
#

Oh, i hope its a bug because i hate it 😦

crystal forum
#

better than mobile discord

#

WHY did they put DM's back in the server list 😤

#

i LOVE scrolling through 60 servers to find whoever messaged me

rose thorn
#

Hey so how do Blood Angels and its successors resist the red thirst?

nocturne crest
#

They drink blood?

arctic talon
#

Though a solid chunk of it stayed loyal

arctic talon
rose thorn
arctic talon
#

Some of them do in fact drink blood to deal with it

#

Though a lot use art and such like the blood angels

rose thorn
#

I know the flesh tearers and flesh eaters do well

arctic talon
#

Some engage in self flagellation

rose thorn
#

The obvious

arctic talon
#

The blood drinkers are pretty benign about it

celest dome
#

Is drinking blood technically resisting the urge ?

arctic talon
#

A lot of their serfs have “taps” in them

nocturne crest
#

Isn't there one Blood Angels successor that is absolutely hated by all their brothers because how they hold off the red thirst?

celest dome
#

Like is taking drugs "resisting" the addiction ?

arctic talon
#

And they drink a bit from their serfs blood every week

nocturne crest
#

Sorry, cousin chapters.

arctic talon
#

It’s resisting it

rose thorn
#

They micro dose it

nocturne crest
#

They were the only ones who weren't called the Baal, but some of their marines turned up away against their chapter master's will.

arctic talon
#

They do a thing where they industrially mass murder a ton of people

nocturne crest
arctic talon
#

And then they kill a sanguinary priest

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

And then they drink and bathe in the blood

#

I think you can see why this is frowned upon

#

It’s like a few thousand+ people

rose thorn
#

I had an idea for a ba chapter based off of a dream I had

#

I know the second most white woman quote ever

#

Using venom from their home planet to resist the urge

arctic talon
#

That’s not that weird tbh

#

Less weird then self flagellation and then drinking your own blood

nocturne crest
#

Tbh, I've recently wonder if a chaos god or daemon of truth could work in 40k with the state of the imperium.

arctic talon
#

Tbh whatever the fuck the emperor is now

#

Might as well be a minor chaos god

#

Or a “demi god” like vashtor

rose thorn
#

Bur still interesting

nocturne crest
#

Or the Inquisition about Imperium Secundus.

#

Alternatively you could tell certain CSM that Abaddon killing the Emperor would ascend him into Godhood.

warm comet
#

what would be a genuinely cool Ogryn weapon?

celest dome
#

Like from lore ?

warm comet
#

yeah, I was wondering if theyve used any weapons in the lore which we havent seen in the game

arctic talon
#

Power pickaxe

warm comet
#

Or even maybe weapons that are more like implaced guns, but an Ogryn would be big enough to just lug it around

arctic talon
#

We will steal all the gsc weapons for ogryn

#

On god

celest dome
#

Ranged: Autocannon; Multilaser; Lascannon; Lascutter
Melee: Spudjacker (Oversized Wrench); 2h Hammer; 2h Axe; 1h Axe; GSC Industrial Tools (Power Pick; Power hammer; Power Maul); Rock Saws; Flail

nocturne crest
#

What about the option to make the Ogryn into a Ogryn Charonite

celest dome
#

Need to be able to switch between melee/ranged in the mission

#

And the tech is fobidden in 40k

warm comet
celest dome
warm comet
#

I imagine that Ogryns are big enough to use Space Marine weapons, but for multiple reasons they arent given them

arctic talon
#

Tbh they can easily lug around stuff like heavy bolters

#

The thing is most ogryns don’t like guns that require finesse lol

#

Like a powersword

celest dome
celest dome
warm comet
arctic talon
#

Tbh ogryns can prolly use a multi melta no problem lol

warm comet
#

are ogryns known to get tired quick, if we even have information on that?

celest dome
#

I would consider Melta tech to be valuable and brittle enough that they wouldn't be given them

warm comet
#

I know theyre really strong, I just dont know if they can do that for ages or not lol

celest dome
#

Very strong, great endurance

#

One managed to drag a Chimera for quite a distance

warm comet
#

ive heard that one before

#

am an ogryn fan C:

#

plague ogryns must be insane

arctic talon
#

The fact the rejects aren’t puking when they smell it is impressive

celest dome
#

Lorewise we should keel over right after being in the nearby area

storm jungle
#

to be fair we are so thoroughly "de-contaminated" even scalpels are involved lol

crystal forum
#

@arctic talon another hour spent on this

arctic talon
#

looks great

crystal forum
#

im trying to see how fast i can finish it

#

so i learn to not waste time on details

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

if I can get a friend to print it yeah

#

but I don't have a printer

#

so I can't guarantee anything

crystal forum
#

alright i'll cut it into parts

#

so you can paint and glue

arctic talon
#

again no guarantees vox

crystal forum
#

that's ok

young pecan
storm jungle
#

During the new dialogue for the phage tree mission Brahms asks Kayex if de-contamination protocols are ready for when we get onboard the Mourningstar.

#

And he responds with saying everything down to even surgical cleansing scalpels are ready for the operation lmao

arctic talon
#

More thorough then Iax

storm jungle
#

Yep. The cleansing rituals go deep

#

because like yeah you cannot take risks lol

young pecan
#

What do the protocols/rituals do if scalpels are involved? scaredhamster

#

That's a cool line though, I always wonder about the nasty places we find ourselves in even though I know that ritual at the start of the game is partly why we're less affected

storm jungle
#

Honestly god knows what

#

the fact that they surgically have to open us up to remove corruption of some kind is enough for me

#

💀

celest dome
#

Maybe cleaning wounds and such ?

crystal forum
#

faith in the emperor yadda yadda yadda

young pecan
storm jungle
#

I mean yes 💀

crystal forum
#

that's how nurgle works

#

they call those blessings

storm jungle
#

Mmmm space AIDS

young pecan
#

Maybe they're taking off the pinky fingers and other things growing out of our tummies now 🫃

crystal forum
#

that's slaanesh

rose thorn
storm jungle
#

LOL

crystal forum
#

nurgle is weird because he's the one chaos god who has actual physical analogies idk how to describe it

#

like you can't defend against the other chaos gods by purely non warp related means

#

we know how plagues work and diseases

#

but he's also magic so he straight up ignores gas masks sometimes?

#

does a blank just never get the cold?

#

i dont get it

celest dome
#

Not all sicknesses are Warp made

#

Or more exactly warp borne

crystal forum
#

so warp sicknesses arent just regular bacteria or viruses?

celest dome
#

Yes, i think so

young pecan
#

I think a story about a herald of Nurgle that found out about the bubonic plague trying to go around teaching everyone about it would be fun

crystal forum
#

do other gods have their own diseases

rose thorn
crystal forum
#

like what

rose thorn
#

Khrone currently has a computer virus

#

And like something called a blood fever if that’s 40&

storm jungle
storm jungle
storm jungle
crystal forum
#

counterpoint:

#

balls

#

i think nurgle is interesting because he has this illusion of familiarity

#

he seems easy to understand and counter because he represents natural rules of nature

#

but he aint

#

and he's probably more alien to nature than nids are

storm jungle
#

Fire

#

Death

#

Renewal

#

all you need to know

crystal forum
#

how do you think the krigers felt when the uniform they've been drilled from birth to never take off and treat as their second skin started melting away from nurgle stuff on vraks

#

"ah shit i wasted my whole life putting on this gas mask and i'm dying anyways?!?"

rocky gale
#

Or whatever it was called

storm jungle
#

💀

#

the nurgle guy's just went "YOOO FREE BOMBS"

crystal forum
#

lmao

#

i bet being a plague marine must be pretty fun

#

just run into the enemy and kill shit then take a break in the warp when you finally die

arctic talon
rocky gale
#

Yea because of Angron an entire Indomitus Crusade fleet fell to the Murder Curse and became Khornate cultists

rose thorn
#

The murder curse not blood fever whoops

#

My bad

arctic talon
#

hey not the entire one

#

the like 5 custodes + blanks didn't fall

#

Out of what several billion people thats like